100% if I lived in Louisiana, I'd already have been hitting bumblebee bayou on a daily basis, because of those morons, and I'd be inviting EVERYONE to come with me. 😆
@@kevinc233All navigable waters are public waterways. That goes back to the founding of the country. And the legal precedent is that if it is navigable in fact, it’s navigable by law. In other words, if you’re driving a boat there, it’s legally public, as long as you got there by public access. Louisiana cannot overrule federal law, and some parish most certainly can’t.
@kevinc233 you can also walk the sides of waterways (creeks, rivers and coastal waterways even through private owned lands if you start from a public access. As long as anglers stay within the water marks. Whether they like it or not.
@@DukeTrout okay but do you see why people hate you and others like you?? 😂 annoying. “According to the law I can find a way to bend it and piss you off” private property sign? Nah I’ll just ignore that because I’m a 🌈💅
This issue is hundreds of years old and at times reaches absurd levels. Here is part of the controlling statute--"The state of Louisiana owns the bottoms of ALL lakes, rivers and streams" The area between mean high tide and mean low tide is public. With an unusually low tide there is generally a strip of land normally covered by water. Although it is public land--you would be foolish to attempt to step on it. It is jelly like and you would sink up to your waist!! Rather than make one blanket ruling the state goes so far as to consult old maps to determine ownership and public use. It seems the critical condition is whether the waters were in general use by the public 250 years ago or something approximating that. Essentially were the waters in dispute navigable by common persons on a regular basis when the map/maps was made.
@@robertwatson818 Agreed, it is absurd and getting worse when you factor in land loss/sea level rise. I'd like to think we could see common sense reform around this but I would sooner walk on that low tide mud than hold my breath waiting on reform.
Todd, that was a textbook example of how to handle a situation like that. You were calm, respectful and stood up for your rights. Thanks for shining some light on the public’s rights in navigable tidal waters. Great job!!
This should be shared over every single Louisiana fishing page. The most informative video I’ve ever seen on Louisiana bayou fishing. You handled that great!! The guy made himself look foolish
He is a Louisiana hick. By nature he is foolish, uneducated and stupid while having a loud mouth. These are bad combinations and many times result in the injury or untimely demise of such persons.
Like the country song says, "Buy Dirt". It don't say "Buy Water". If there is access via water without touching private land, then it should be open to the public.
@@1991DesertVet I was thinking of a song too. Amos Moses - "We'll i wonder where than lone fella fishing went to? You can sure get lost in the Louisiana bayou."
Always has to be someone who thinks it’s their job to play tough guy . In the pacific ocean we had a guy who just got jealous we could catch he couldn’t. We finally used our surf reels and poles with 3 lbs weights on them and we peppered all around him, funny he finally decided to use another place in the Ocean to fish . 🤝👊 be safe out there, enjoyed the video 🙏
How would you have handled that? Word for word I’d like to know. The guy is probably wrong but his initial encounter before the phone call wasn’t bad? He felt that was property off limits so he took his boat numbers and made a call to turn him in. There wasn’t foul language or anything. No one was yelling. Just two people disagreeing. Even after the call I really fail to see how he was being a dick. Maybe the “we’re making an example out of you” was extreme but I’d say cringey more than anything. This was a group of people disagreeing. That’s it.
@@rodleypumpkins4174 I feel like you may have missed my joke here. I was speaking on my tendency to think about arguments for hours after, and only come up with good replies after the fact. That being said, there's been bad blood between land owners and fishermen for years here in South Louisiana. Law says that any navigatible waters are fair game while fishing, while the land owners disagree. Ultimately, the guy calling wlf is being an ass, IMO. There are other ways he could have started that interaction, but there's also worse ways I guess.
Yep. And in a lot of states even if you own land surrounding a lake, you have to allow people access to it and allow them to fish or canoe/kayak on it.
Unfortunately, in Louisiana they often do own the water. That's because our legislature is a bunch of pussies and passed a law in the early 90s that says any waterways that were not on the map when Louisiana joined the union are not considered public water. So all of thousands of acres of canals that would be considered public everywhere else are actually privately owned in Louisiana and landowners can block them off if they want to. It's bullshit and it's also the reason the Bassmaster classic restricted their fishermen from fishing Louisiana waters.
@TCK-9 i dnt think thats hownit works. If u can access if through a river or creek then u can fish it but if its surrounded by land then u cant because u would have to go on land to reach it.
Im from Mass. ( poor me ! ), and had a similar experience. Had a guy yell at me and threaten to call the cops because I was fishing from his land on the North River that feeds into the Atlantic Ocean. In Mass. the land owner only owns to the High Water Mark. I was fishing below his property. He did have me although on the fact I had to trespass to get to the low water area. So, as he was ripping me a new one I noticed he still had a septic pipe from his house emptying into the river. Illegal ! Big Time !!! He said I could fish whenever I wanted !!!
Fishing guide here from southeast La. I spend 75% of my time running from land owners or their minions. The facts are that the same “landowners” that control these thousands of acres are mostly wealthy politicians and law enforcement. They are all connected, this is so obvious when you are confronted and they make a phone call. Just like the guy in your video. You know good and well the agent he called was a friend or a direct connect. Sad
15:03 thank you for standing your ground. I don’t even give them the courtesy of an answer. I just ignore them and keep fishing. It happens regularly over there by stump bayou also stay away from the duck pond on the south side of Rigolies fast during season, they can be a bunch of first class a holes
Duck hunter and fisherman here. Thanks for saying that you realize that duck hunters aren't mobile once set up. Have had some fishermen trolling through the decoys and refusing to leave before.
@@JoeGalvanATX THAT statement is a threat & is NOT covered by the 1st amendment. I suggest you take it down because if anything happens to @Tea4Texas, the police will be looking for you.
@@Tea4Texas I posted this statement on @JoeGalvanATX's reply about you: "THAT statement is a threat & is NOT covered by the 1st amendment. I suggest you take it down because if anything happens to @Tea4Texas, the police will be looking for you."
The problem is that you get 100 arseholes for 1 decent fisherman like this guy that's why landowners behave like that. If you prepare your fishing route maybe even make a phone call to the landowner you will have no problems.
“Old age and treachery will always overcome youth and vitality” Quoting my late grandfather. Judges tend to embody treachery in my zip code. Looks like we have that in common with Louisiana.
Great job handling that uncomfortable situation. And it was pretty cool to see LM caught with Reds and Trout. Lived in Charleston, SC for 8 years and didn't even know that was possible.
We all have the right to fish tidal water, at the same time I respect the duck hunters and everyone else out there and I expect the same. You need to get their boat numbers also just in case they make any threats.
Todd you are a Prince among gentlemen! I respect the hell out you for the way you carry yourself and you always set such a great example for young followers 💯
I would say that you need to add a number 4. Have a good GPS system to mark your location of the confrontation to prove that you are in a public area also document the confrontation and the exact location via the GPS via the video
Marshman such a great educational video for others to learn the correct way to handle this type of situation as they happen unfortunately very often. You are always posting great and informative content buddy. Thank you and keep um coming.
We had a duck hunting lease down in Palacios, Texas wherein we paid the land owner to access a point of land and a small inlet. It was public land because it was bordered by a marsh that communicated with a bay in the Gulf. Occasionally, other hunters would set up a blind further up the point, but they respected the area that we used and had to access their blind by boat which was a long, tedious trip from the nearest entry point to the bay. We also did some wade fishing and flounder gigging along the coast and everyone seemed to get along.
20 Year ago we were stopped by 2 Game Wardens in a Bayou that had been straightened to allow drilling rigs to be move into canals dug for rig locations. My father, Louisiana Attorney, having done a lot of ligation on property rights and navigable waters in Louisiana, for the land holders, Informed the Game Wardens that even though the bayou had been straighten it's still a bayou and has been listed on maps for years. He informed them it was navigable water and had been for years. " by old Maps". He told the game wardens they could not stop us from using the canal. Now the private canals dug off the bayou for moving rigs and rig locations were private. Wardens decided not mess with us and went on there way. Navigable natural water ways can restricted even if dug for use by a private land holder. There many places on Louisiana's coast that were navigable waters that private land holders have blocked with weirs. Worst than is the inability of shrimp, specks reds, drums corkers etc. to jump a four foot high four foot wide weir to spawn. This is devastating saltwater fisheries and exponentially increasing the degradation of the marshes along the coast. A lot of scholars, who haven't lived it, can not see it.
Trust me i know exactly what you are saying although different where i live in washington. The state has dams all over fish ladders dont work worth of shit, native americans rape the lands and waterways of every critter alive, gill nets from one side of the river to the other so salmon cannot possibly pass to go to spawning grounds. Our fisheries are collapsing here and soon nothing will be left. Cant believe they pull that sh*t where you are at. Always wanted to fish louisiana. My dad is from florida do no big bayous there but we always wanted to plan a trip and fish in the bayous then offshore for tuna. Never happened he got old but it was a dream at one point. Hope things get better there. Fight fight fight is all i can say. Thats what we are doing here and now dams are coming down and they finally are cutting the natives off because the small runs of salmon returning. Change is needed.
@joeymc5272 the native Americans do not treat our waterways like that, the white man does. They don't take anymore than what they're allocated by law. For you to spead that misinformation is horrible. You should be banned from RUclips. It's a straight up lie.
Here in NW Louisiana with lock an dams on the Red River , we had similar issues. Since the dams flooded a lot of private lands, not all the land owners sold the water rights, and they were legally able to post their land, which caused a lot of hard feelings too. But I must say these flooded lands I'm talking about were off the active river water navigation system. Therefore, yes it could be legal posted and enforced. As an avid deer hunter and fisherman, I've learned to respect posted notices.
Who ever created that bill should tried and jailed. The marshes should never be anything but national seashore. Leases on the land from the state should be the only way to use the martsh for anything but fishing. Wake Louisiana! You are going backwards!
That law was passed because the lawmakers love to hunt and fish. Follow the money and watch. Better yet, track down which ones hunt and fish with no payment to the club/landowner.
@christopherkibodeaux2319 I'm with you. When I was young, you couldn't own the marsh. Alas, Louisiana is becoming more like Florida. And that really sucks!
If it’s tidal water, it’s federal water. The US federal government holds all navigable, tidal waterways as a public trust for the people. Louisiana has no say over whether this bayou is public or private if it is tidal.
@@DukeTrout See, all this talk about law and rights, is just bullshit. They don't mean a damn thing, unless you can enforce it. It is all just inconvenient semantics in power struggles. I learned that in Yugoslavia. If the LA government is corrupt determined to violate it, and the federal government can't or wont enforce it, that right for Louisiana citizens is basically null and void.
Hey man. Chronic inflammation guy here. You don't have to give up all your vegetables. The carnivore diet is better described as an (if you weren't aware) exclusion diet. After a few weeks you should add back in your favorite veggies one at a time until something flares you up. I've been ketovore for about 4.5 years. And the only thing that really seems to get my inflammation angry is grains.
I've had the same thing happen to me in Louisiana. I'm from La. originally but live in MS now. Out of state licenses are expensive just to be bullied out of a fishing hole. Confrontation is the last thing I want when fishing. Local political cronyism is the very reason no major fishing organization will hold tournaments in south Louisiana any longer missing out on millions of tourism dollars. Hopefully you can continue to bring light to this situation and bring about change.
@@HeartbreakerRelics Amen brother, I grew up down there, but live in Oklahoma now. I’m wanting to get down there for fishing after watching Marsh Man and others, but don’t want to fish the wrong place!
Lousiana is one of the most corrupt states in the south, which we all know is still no comparison to the corruption of Dem states like Cali, Il, NY, etc.
You handled that very well and explained it very well at the end. I recently had a similar incident in Virginia and also stood my ground. The local sheriff and game and fish officers confirmed I was correct.
That guy in the second boat had a choice to spend time hunting with his friends or arguing with a stranger. He chose the latter. Some people will always choose misery and rancor over happiness.
@@MichaelBethJones some people like to protect what belongs to them. The fisherman could have not made the assumption that the water was public when he passed the no trespassing signs. It’s just not smart. I think lot of the missing persons over the years got lost on private property. It’s dangerous business trespassing and then giving attitude when confronted by the property owner or their representative. You never know what some of these people may do. My advice would be stay out of areas that say no trespassing, especially in LA where the laws are different. If you are confronted don’t mouth off and refute them when you don’t know what you are talking about. Always be respectful. It ain’t worth getting in a fight or worse over fishing. Landowners will take it very personally.
@@kevinc233 "...According to Louisiana law, the state owns all the land under the beds and bottoms of navigable waters like rivers, lakes, bays, and streams that run through it, meaning the state essentially owns all the land under the water that flows through Louisiana; this is primarily based on Louisiana Civil Code Article 450..." Regardless of some map from 200 years ago or older, if a piece of water is now "flowing" (as in this video) the public has access to it regardless of what some "territorial ASS HAT"...thinks belongs to them...
@@DrFunk-rk6yl Spot on...I was thinking the same thing..."what sign...where...???"...We have too much corruption in some areas of this country and a level of territoriality that is just obtuse.
Great video ! Same thing happened to us in Point Aux Chene a few years ago. Land owner made an ass out of himself 🤦🏻♀️ as he was screaming at us trying to convince us of his non existing laws and losing his mind ,we were pulling in fish and totally ignored him. Needless to say we caught the rest of our limit while he was trying to get us to leave. We left telling him to have a great day ! Go take a nap sir it’s gonna be ok the sun will rise again tomorrow 😊
I understand your pain even living in Texas. I have had people tell me I can’t fish around their docks and boat house. Because here they have to purchase a permit every year they think they own the water. I even had one guy throw rocks at me. Of course I called the lake patrol and he received a fine and I could have had him arrested for assault but told officers I was not interested in that. He was upset because someone stole his rods of his dock. He would leave them sticking out when he was not fishing just to keep people from getting close to the dock. I’m sure someone was teaching him a lesson. Later that week I went back there and gave him 3 new rods and reels. After that we became friends.
"Later that week I went back there and gave him 3 new rods and reels. After that we became friends." That path leads to Uniting our entire country . STOP THAT!!! ;-0) * winky *
This brought back many good memories for me. I lived in LA in the early 1980's and used to fish the canals on a private hunting lease. You actually entered through a locked gate and the water was NOT public in the sense that you couldn't get in without a key to one of the two gates. The fishing used to be awesome there until some poachers dug a hole through the bank separating the bayou from the canals. They ran gill nets across the canals and totally destroyed the fishery. Still, I remember fondly all the reds, specks, drum and bass we used to catch there, even though in later years the fishing wasn't nearly as good after the gill netters would come in every year and clean out all the big fish.
I agree with you 100%. I ran into this situation last weekend in Delacroix. I will never mess with hunters, but as long as the water has a moving tide it is open to everyone. I feel like that if you want to claim the water as your land then dam it up and remove all of the aqua life because that belongs to the public. If your water way connects to a water way that runs into the Gulf do you own the gulf at that time? No! Being a Sportsman’s paradise, I feel like the politicians and legal system should protect fishermen and fisherwomen. I do not agree with being able to barricade a waterway. Thanks for the video, it helps bring awareness to this mega problem.
Bruh Delacroix corp will enforce it the rules are different in Delacroix because the waters are not considered tidal they dug most of those canals in Delacroix for the oil. You can see all the straight lines dug through the marsh they do not curve like a natural bayou.
I agree with you about the tidal waters but unfortunately I can tell you in bayou black tickets are written constantly for being on private property. BASS stopped having tournaments in south la because of it.
Harry Bourg out of Dulac La does for sure. we had a camp in Duac for 27 years used to have to pay for a permit. It was $25 a year now I think it’s $160 a year if you wanna fish on their so-called property.
I own lakefront property on Lake Claiborne, Louisiana and the fishing has always been amazing and I have been fishing it for 50 years. Fun fact my grandfather helped build Lake Claiborne.
Todd I have run into just that situation. I hate to see anyone go through it while trying to relax and enjoy nature. I'm glad this happened to you so others who have not been through it are now aware. It can be a very upsetting situation. Thank you for explaining what happened to you so others can benefit.
I say this, since they own the water too, they should have to foot their percentage cost of costal restoration. No taxpayer money goes towards rebuilding private lands! We all know it’s a select few people who own large portions of marsh. Make them come out of pocket to restore the marsh for their part if they don’t want public fishing it.
@ 1. The property taxes are parish, which do NOT go to any coastal restoration projects as the state and fed do not get a dime of that. That is state and federal grants that pay for the project. My family has property on both the Tangipahoa and Bouge chitto rivers. When we lose land it is entirely up to the owners to repair, no help from the government. And when the river cuts into your property, you lose that land, it is no longer yours..
Nice boat...nice gear...good angler. Forget the noise. Being that boat to Buffalo in May and hit the Upper Niagara for smallies. You will not regret it.
Fully agree natural bodies of water that are navigable should not be subject to any ownership. Would be great if you did a follow up should you receive anything from lwfd. I doubt you will but if you do would be a great follow ups segment.
Pretty sure everyone knows what that word means. I was reusing Todd’s verbiage. The more popular word to add to this is “tidal”. If the body of water is natural, navigable (able to be navigated) and is affected by the tide then you should not be able to own it. You didn’t build it. Tons of man made canals that, like roads, can be made private. You spent the money to dig it by all means claim ownership, however if you didn’t then it’s not yours.
If this is the area I’m familiar with he probably received a citation in the mail. I’ve hunted this area and they own/lease those “ponds” or what have you.
@@dustyflairThe Supreme Court defined navigability as “navigable in fact is navigable by law.” In other words, if you can navigate it in a vessel, it’s legally navigable.
Great video. Keep us posted on the outcome . As to if you go carnivore invest in some good spices it will keep things lively and you won't get bored with all the meat n no veggies. Best wishes it really really works😊
Welcome to Louisiana. Unfortunately, ol dude is right, legally. Some areas/people “enforce” it more than others. We prefished a huge lake right off the ICW in Lake Charles for 2 weeks leading up to the redfish worlds series. Day one of the World Series got a criminal trespassing ticket from a sheriff in a boat. Think he got 3/4 boats in just one lake that day. But, they will sure take our money for licenses, hotels, food, gas, etc. Love the state, but they need to get with the times.
Nice job handling that jerk. If it ain’t Karens on the beach and docks it’s people like him. If a river runs threw the middle of ones property they can’t keep you out they don’t own the river
The legal issue is in the favor of Todd. Here's why: -the Louisiana Constitution, since 1921 has contained a prohibition against the alienation of the beds of navigable streams, lakes, and bodies of water. -Additionally, Act 727 of 1954 reiterates the public policy against alienation of beds of navigable bodies of water. The act also declares null and void any patent purporting to transfer to private individuals lands including the beds of navigable bodies of water.
That was a very good showing on your part knowing what and where you were fishing. Thank you for standing you're ground as looney also mentions. Another thing I would like to ask is do you like your Avid. I own a 21FS and love it. Have had it for about 3 years now and have not had any real issues other than some very minor things.....Enjoyed your video !!!
Justin Royal - has had some run in with people at different fresh water lakes next to Marina Docks, he tell people all the time "You Don't Own The Water". He's a good dude and is just out to have some fun and enjoy a day of fishing and treats people as he wants to be treated. God Bless my friend and have a good one.
@@KGFishyFingerslegally speaking they don’t. They can’t. You can own a beach and make the access around it private but you cannot legally stop someone from swimming past your beach house. They own the LAND around it not the water on it.
You handled that well..... better than i would have. Louisiana needs to make these issues clarified to prevent confrontation like this. But for this guy...i can tell you from what I've seen in south MS with land it has gone from being able to hunt anywhere to being leased and being unaffordable. He is only hurting his kids because eventually someone with more money will have access. If it's open to everyone then they will always enjoy it. He is only teaching greed and ignorance. There is allot to be said here and that's why it needs to be handled by state and put in writing. We have a similar issue with state line boundaries. One law enforcement wants to say middle of the river and one wants to say bank to bank. There is a "reciprocal agreement" in writing that solves this but law enforcement are saying otherwise. It's a constant unneeded confrontation while out doing what we love. Makes you extremely frustrated.
And there's that one guy, "you handled it better than I would have". You wouldn't have done anything unless you want to ruin the rest of your life over a fishing spot. Unless he draws on you or hits your boat you can't retaliate against mean words or just something you don't agree with. You're just another keyboard warrior.
Mfer what's your number? I'll send you a picture right now with me fishing and a 35 wheelen at my feet waiting on a hog. You picked the wrong 1 punk. Try me.
@@073286I am glad Texas is open carry for that exact reason. I don’t have to “flash” my 9. It is always on my hip in plain view. It tends to calm down the a-holes. And yeah, it is ALWAYS with me. Just in case. Also, there are wild pigs and gators and wild dogs, etc around where I fish. Last month, I actually drew on a large 10’ Alligator that came up on me. I ended up calling the Game Warden who came out and trapped and removed it because some people were feeding it! It is illegal to feed a gator at a public waterway in Texas.
We have the same issue in the California Delta. They will go as far as putting decoy cord in the waterways to fowl a prop. Everyone knows if I can boat into it, it’s navigable.
10:35 I don’t know if you remember, but I posted on Facebook about just happening to me. They kept trying to run me out of navigable waterways. It’s the duck hunters, his calling somebody, and doing stuff like that that just shows the corruption in the department of wildlife and fisheries it needs a major revamping, now let’s see if he’s bluffing. Maybe you should get the boat numbers from his boat and make a complaint return the favor.
I remember that feeling when I chartered. You feel how they hit and how they fight and guess the species. Awesome! Works in the gulf also. You know, the ol' red snapper head shake. The grouper thump. etc. Nothing more relaxing and exciting at the same time. As far as the difference in opinion, that happens, it's fishing. All the time. My opinion.
Heck yeah man, I went carnivore and I feel so much better its unbelievable. I have way more energy, stamina, clearer mind, and I don't wake up hurting anymore.
Arkansas here. According to what I’ve seen heard and run into, it’s private if the river channel is low enough to not be able to cross by boat. If high enough to cross with boat then it’s public
I have a lease in St Bernard and have never run a fisherman off. I've had them come into the pond I was hunting just stand up and wave them off, 90% will actually move completely out of the area. I don't mind boats passing through or fishing often times they will push any ducks on the lease to come check out where I am. one of the dumbest rules Louisiana has.
And this is the way to handle it. I would just move on and respect that you are there hunting. But my experience is like most, the duck hunters are complete a-holes.
@ I have never had any issue in St Bernard where I fish all the time. I try to respect the hunters and if I see one or know there are some in an area, I will avoid that area. @haroldgallo4246 seems like a reasonable hunter and handles it the correct way. With 80% of the marsh privately owned, it’s hard to determine where those boundaries are.
ive had a few that trolled through my decoys and flared every bird and refused to leave. Biggest issue I had were some mudboats coming down a narrow to get to another property and nearly running me over in my pirogue on my way to my blind
@@LastWizardKing and this I would never do. I would respect that you were there and move to another area. I think both property owners, lessee and rec fisherman need to work together on this. Those guys were not hunting. More than likely leaving for the morning and Todd was in no way interfering with their hunt. Or if he was, “hey bud we are going to be hunting our lease in a few minutes, could you go fish another areas so you don’t mess us up” would have been appropriate
I found out a few years ago , the state of GA does not have any navigable waterways as the legislature has determined that there are no open waterways in GA.
Good morning- Brother, you are reading my mail here. I love fishing Louisiana coastal waters, but the idea of someone with money who happens to own title to land bordering waters being able to deny access to navigable waters for anglers is pathetic. I have encountered this in my visits to Louisiana, and it's a crazy thing to have to deal with. I don't mess with duck hunters or anyone else using the waters, and I would like to think I'd get that courtesy returned, but not, I guess, in certain parts of Louisiana. Nice little rat reds, by the way
I dealt with this issue when I used to work as a Deputy where part of the county was an Indian reservation. Enrolled members of the tribe would set out hundreds of leech traps (leeches are a popular fishing bait in midwest) on bodies of water and were always looking for new bodies to set traps on. Land owners who owned land around sloughs and other small bodies of water would file complaints and claim ownership of the water, but as long as the trapper could float a canoe on the slough and could access if from public/permitted land, they were legal as long as they used floating traps that didn't touch the bottom. There was also discussion of "green vs blue" water, which as I understood was if the body of water was on a map, it was blue water and it's surface was open to the public, but if it wasn't on a map, it was green water and fully private.
I can’t stand the duck hunters, they always think they can just run everybody out public waters. Notice the other guys on the boat didn’t say a word, they are probably tired of him harassing everyone
Not everyone is the same. I love duck hunting but I know respect. I also agree that there are duck hunters that don’t know respect, but there are fishermen like that too. Don’t put everyone in the same boat.
Bird watchers are brutal here. They make water that fisherman and hunters pay for and make it illegal to hunt or fish so they can bird watch. They pay nothing towards the conservation of those spots, but those who do aren't allowed to use it to fish. It's always the best spots too.
Anybody know where this Bumblebee Bayou is? As a fisherman and duck hunter I'm curious where the navigable waters are in conjunction with the private property. I'd like to see it on a map.
I need some additional explanation here. What are the conditions that would make navigable water private??? As an example, because it's tidal, does this bayou become UN-navigable during low tide and therefore considered part of the private property that surrounds it? Or, do some jurisdictions actually include sections of navigable water in the title to the land? For example....can someone buy and hold the deed to 40 acres of 'property' that is made up of 30 acres of dry land and 10 acres of navigable water?
It’s weird here, but basically - he’s in a naturally occurring bayou. the odds that he’s on private property are very slim. If you own a bunch of marsh and dig a long canal through it, this would be considered a private waterway even if it was 20+ ft deep. Likewise, if you had 100 acres of solid marsh and storms destroyed it all and you’re left with 100 acres of open water, it could all be considered private, even if it’s indistinguishable from the lake that was adjacent to it in 1812. Land loss is a huge part of the issue
Whatever happened in this case? Would you let us know. I heard this is the reason Bassmaster quit letting anglers fish in Louisiana during the Sabine River events.
So glad you got that on video. Too many navigable bayous are marked and people think they own the fish. Much of the signs I find are not lawful. Be safe out there.
I don’t believe you were in the wrong, I agree with you Mr. Todd. These land owners DO NOT OWN THE WATER! You can’t own navigable water as it naturally comes and goes (as you told the gentlemen). I severely do not agree the way how we as natives to this state handle “owning land” on the water when it comes to hunting or fishing. It completely contradicts our states name to “sportsman paradise”. Yes, you parked and got onto the leased land they pay for, you’re 110% trespassing, floating on the water not touching a single crumb of dirt from their property, no violating property, trashing the land, etc that is NOT TRESPASSING!
justin,...Try walking into premium trout rivers and start fishing and see what happens. Go to Alaska and start panning for Gold in some streams and see what happens. These Sheriff's in these communities follow local laws that locals want enforced.
They keep this up, they won't have any tourists coming to the state. You watch what happens to the towns without all that tourist money, theyll go broke. I know ill never go down there ever again. I will not spend my money in a state that acts like that.
Navigable waters have to maintain a certain distance across year round tidal water areas and rivers/streams are a grey area depends on the state laws your in
That isn't true. In LA a LOT of marsh water is private property. A lot of states have simplified to a definition of if tidally influenced it is navigable but LA has NOT. LA depends on a map of pre 1812 to determine navigability, if it was navigable then it is open to public and if not on the map it is private which makes it a nightmare for enforcement. Not saying right or wrong just stating the law.
You are absolutely right. Water is public no matter what plan and simple. I feel no judge should be saying it is not public when you can look up water laws, and it is in black, and White that all waters are public
My opinion as both a duck hunter and avid fisherman. Sometimes these "cooyons" think they own the land when it's actually leased from the state. Even big oil companies lease the land too. They even go so far as to build a gate and block off navigable canals and waterways claiming the land "under" the water is private. If it's navigable then it's accessible to fish. HOWEVER, the courteous and respectful thing to do during hunting season is "STAY AWAY FROM THOSE AREAS at least until the hunters leave for the day. If you encroach on them while hunting, not only do you make the ducks veer off, you post a safety issue and keep them from shooting ducks because you may be in the fire lanes. Also, keep in mind the hunters pay large lease fees and you as a fisherman, don't. There are only 30 days to hunt to your 365 days to fish. Both hunters and fishermen don't have to be jerks to each other. Be nice, courteous and respectful and everybody gets to enjoy another day.
I used to fish Louisiana and all the way over to Florida , I went to Court once to fight a situation like this and won , The court ruled that the only way water deep enough to tread can be private is if it has no access to any other water such as River .
Anyone else find it hilarious how many time they said navigable? It is just such a cumbersome word it is funny hearing it so many times in a short succession
We should all go fish bumblebee bayou now 😂
I was thinking the same thing lol not sure where it is but I’d love about 50 of us go fish or just boat ride singing the national anthem !
@@MarkSmith-qk2rl Great idea, but shitty choice of music.
100% if I lived in Louisiana, I'd already have been hitting bumblebee bayou on a daily basis, because of those morons, and I'd be inviting EVERYONE to come with me. 😆
You handled this better than I would have! Good for you
I won't be fishing there. I really wanted to buy not like that
Not navigable? How’d he get his boat in there?
Thanks I was yelling that at my phone when the asshole said it
You can get boats into farm ponds, but they ain't navigable. Access is a "sine quo non". Launch site? Shoals and bars. All factors.
@ Thank you for explaining that. I had no idea.
Where I live in Ontario, the Navigable Bodies Act includes a list of 140 navigable waterways. If it's not on the list, it isn't legally navigable.
According to USACOE and the Clean Water Act.. a damn dry wash in the desert is a navigable water way… it’s navigable
No matter where you go.....somebody thinks that your business is their business.
@@alancochran5275 and people trespassing on your property thinking it’s public.
@@kevinc233All navigable waters are public waterways. That goes back to the founding of the country. And the legal precedent is that if it is navigable in fact, it’s navigable by law. In other words, if you’re driving a boat there, it’s legally public, as long as you got there by public access. Louisiana cannot overrule federal law, and some parish most certainly can’t.
@kevinc233 you can also walk the sides of waterways (creeks, rivers and coastal waterways even through private owned lands if you start from a public access. As long as anglers stay within the water marks. Whether they like it or not.
@@DukeTrout okay but do you see why people hate you and others like you?? 😂 annoying.
“According to the law I can find a way to bend it and piss you off” private property sign? Nah I’ll just ignore that because I’m a 🌈💅
@kevinc233 found the guy in the video lol.
“We got someone fishing in bumblebee Bayou”…………….”This ain’t no Bayou”……………..lol
Glad I wasn't the only one to catch that.
Congrats to that dude, all he did was make this video blow up and got everyone on your side. Made a fine example out of himself.
This issue is hundreds of years old and at times reaches absurd levels. Here is part of the controlling statute--"The state of Louisiana owns the bottoms of ALL lakes, rivers and streams" The area between mean high tide and mean low tide is public. With an unusually low tide there is generally a strip of land normally covered by water. Although it is public land--you would be foolish to attempt to step on it. It is jelly like and you would sink up to your waist!! Rather than make one blanket ruling the state goes so far as to consult old maps to determine ownership and public use. It seems the critical condition is whether the waters were in general use by the public 250 years ago or something approximating that. Essentially were the waters in dispute navigable by common persons on a regular basis when the map/maps was made.
@@robertwatson818 Agreed, it is absurd and getting worse when you factor in land loss/sea level rise. I'd like to think we could see common sense reform around this but I would sooner walk on that low tide mud than hold my breath waiting on reform.
Waters are NOT rising. Billionaires around the world are still buying beachfront property right and left. Don’t fall for the Climate Hoax.
I disagree. If it was your property that you pay alot of money for then you would be equally pissed. That's the law in Louisiana.
@@kevinc233 I just said all he did was make this video blow up. 101k views and counting, I don't know how you can disagree with that.
Todd, that was a textbook example of how to handle a situation like that. You were calm, respectful and stood up for your rights. Thanks for shining some light on the public’s rights in navigable tidal waters. Great job!!
This should be shared over every single Louisiana fishing page. The most informative video I’ve ever seen on Louisiana bayou fishing. You handled that great!! The guy made himself look foolish
I shared it on my pages to generate some exposure. This hits close to home since I grew up fishing SE LA
He is a Louisiana hick. By nature he is foolish, uneducated and stupid while having a loud mouth. These are bad combinations and many times result in the injury or untimely demise of such persons.
Like the country song says, "Buy Dirt". It don't say "Buy Water". If there is access via water without touching private land, then it should be open to the public.
@@1991DesertVet I was thinking of a song too. Amos Moses - "We'll i wonder where than lone fella fishing went to? You can sure get lost in the Louisiana bayou."
Always has to be someone who thinks it’s their job to play tough guy .
In the pacific ocean we had a guy who just got jealous we could catch he couldn’t.
We finally used our surf reels and poles with 3 lbs weights on them and we peppered all around him, funny he finally decided to use another place in the Ocean to fish .
🤝👊 be safe out there, enjoyed the video 🙏
Watching from Australia, I'm glad you took a stand and didn't lose your cool when engaging with that guy. Good on ya mate 👍 🌟
are Billabogs private?
"I'm not trying to be a dick!"
"So it just comes naturally then?" - me in the shower hours after.
glad i’m not the only one who takes months to stop thinking about a video I watched 😂😂
Or, "No you're not trying to be one. You are being one."
😂
How would you have handled that? Word for word I’d like to know. The guy is probably wrong but his initial encounter before the phone call wasn’t bad? He felt that was property off limits so he took his boat numbers and made a call to turn him in. There wasn’t foul language or anything. No one was yelling. Just two people disagreeing. Even after the call I really fail to see how he was being a dick. Maybe the “we’re making an example out of you” was extreme but I’d say cringey more than anything. This was a group of people disagreeing. That’s it.
@@rodleypumpkins4174 I feel like you may have missed my joke here. I was speaking on my tendency to think about arguments for hours after, and only come up with good replies after the fact.
That being said, there's been bad blood between land owners and fishermen for years here in South Louisiana. Law says that any navigatible waters are fair game while fishing, while the land owners disagree. Ultimately, the guy calling wlf is being an ass, IMO. There are other ways he could have started that interaction, but there's also worse ways I guess.
They own the land , but , not the water !
Not in Louisiana. Check the state laws and see. It’s the lawmakers who sold us out.
Yep. And in a lot of states even if you own land surrounding a lake, you have to allow people access to it and allow them to fish or canoe/kayak on it.
Unfortunately, in Louisiana they often do own the water. That's because our legislature is a bunch of pussies and passed a law in the early 90s that says any waterways that were not on the map when Louisiana joined the union are not considered public water. So all of thousands of acres of canals that would be considered public everywhere else are actually privately owned in Louisiana and landowners can block them off if they want to. It's bullshit and it's also the reason the Bassmaster classic restricted their fishermen from fishing Louisiana waters.
Louisiana is weird and pretty much the only place where water can be “owned” and gated off or in cases like this just get people tickets
@TCK-9 i dnt think thats hownit works. If u can access if through a river or creek then u can fish it but if its surrounded by land then u cant because u would have to go on land to reach it.
Much respect brother, you showed great restraint in that unfortunate situation that happens all too often.
Man, I love your videos and respect your calmness in that situation. Good example
Good job standing your ground.
Im from Mass. ( poor me ! ), and had a similar experience. Had a guy yell at me and threaten to call the cops because I was fishing from his land on the North River that feeds into the Atlantic Ocean. In Mass. the land owner only owns to the High Water Mark. I was fishing below his property. He did have me although on the fact I had to trespass to get to the low water area. So, as he was ripping me a new one I noticed he still had a septic pipe from his house emptying into the river. Illegal ! Big Time !!! He said I could fish whenever I wanted !!!
Fishing guide here from southeast La. I spend 75% of my time running from land owners or their minions. The facts are that the same “landowners” that control these thousands of acres are mostly wealthy politicians and law enforcement. They are all connected, this is so obvious when you are confronted and they make a phone call. Just like the guy in your video. You know good and well the agent he called was a friend or a direct connect. Sad
EXACTLY
100% truth
That is why I stay out of Louisiana and Georgia.
Texas here and we are allowed to fish navigable water ways. How can someone own the water if you can access it from a boat ramp?
@groverstreet7128 Georgia does the same thing. It is corruption
12:00 “We’re definitely gonna make an example out of you” 🤣 saying that to the wrong guy is the fastest way to end up at the bottom of the bayou 🤦♂️
15:03 thank you for standing your ground. I don’t even give them the courtesy of an answer. I just ignore them and keep fishing. It happens regularly over there by stump bayou also stay away from the duck pond on the south side of Rigolies fast during season, they can be a bunch of first class a holes
Duck hunter and fisherman here. Thanks for saying that you realize that duck hunters aren't mobile once set up. Have had some fishermen trolling through the decoys and refusing to leave before.
Who cares… get a private pond if you want privacy. Duck hunters are getting on everyone’s nerves.
@@Tea4Texasyou’re the problem.
@@Tea4Texasso much for sharing public waters. Sure hope you don’t run on me one day. Matagorda or otherwise.
@@JoeGalvanATX THAT statement is a threat & is NOT covered by the 1st amendment. I suggest you take it down because if anything happens to @Tea4Texas, the police will be looking for you.
@@Tea4Texas I posted this statement on @JoeGalvanATX's reply about you: "THAT statement is a threat & is NOT covered by the 1st amendment. I suggest you take it down because if anything happens to @Tea4Texas, the police will be looking for you."
WOW! Crooked judges in the Louisiana Bayou country..Who would have imagined that!😂😂😂😂😂😂
Exactly
Now I’m going to bumblebee bayou tomorrow.
The problem is that you get 100 arseholes for 1 decent fisherman like this guy that's why landowners behave like that. If you prepare your fishing route maybe even make a phone call to the landowner you will have no problems.
“Old age and treachery will always overcome youth and vitality”
Quoting my late grandfather.
Judges tend to embody treachery in my zip code. Looks like we have that in common with Louisiana.
@@ComboMuster they dont own the water. U dnt gotta let anyone kno
Any updates on if you were contacted by mail?
I never would have guessed this was bumblebee bayou, glad the guy clarified. Looks like some great fishing!
Great job handling that uncomfortable situation.
And it was pretty cool to see LM caught with Reds and Trout. Lived in Charleston, SC for 8 years and didn't even know that was possible.
Dude made himself look like an absolute idiot. Calls his little buddy up, tells him you are fishing in the bayou, then tells you its not a bayou 😂
He probably just pretended someone picked up the phone, lol
Correction: Dude is an idiot.
We all have the right to fish tidal water, at the same time I respect the duck hunters and everyone else out there and I expect the same. You need to get their boat numbers also just in case they make any threats.
Karen lied and pretended to call the cops. He really called his mommy to whine. Pathetic.
He had him on speed dial too !!!!
If it’s not navigable water, how did you get there in a boat?
Todd you are a Prince among gentlemen! I respect the hell out you for the way you carry yourself and you always set such a great example for young followers 💯
I would say that you need to add a number 4. Have a good GPS system to mark your location of the confrontation to prove that you are in a public area also document the confrontation and the exact location via the GPS via the video
the man on the phone did all that. The cops actually talked to this dude.
Marshman such a great educational video for others to learn the correct way to handle this type of situation as they happen unfortunately very often. You are always posting great and informative content buddy. Thank you and keep um coming.
We had a duck hunting lease down in Palacios, Texas wherein we paid the land owner to access a point of land and a small inlet. It was public land because it was bordered by a marsh that communicated with a bay in the Gulf. Occasionally, other hunters would set up a blind further up the point, but they respected the area that we used and had to access their blind by boat which was a long, tedious trip from the nearest entry point to the bay. We also did some wade fishing and flounder gigging along the coast and everyone seemed to get along.
20 Year ago we were stopped by 2 Game Wardens in a Bayou that had been straightened to allow drilling rigs to be move into canals dug for rig locations. My father, Louisiana Attorney, having done a lot of ligation on property rights and navigable waters in Louisiana, for the land holders, Informed the Game Wardens that even though the bayou had been straighten it's still a bayou and has been listed on maps for years. He informed them it was navigable water and had been for years. " by old Maps". He told the game wardens they could not stop us from using the canal. Now the private canals dug off the bayou for moving rigs and rig locations were private. Wardens decided not mess with us and went on there way. Navigable natural water ways can restricted even if dug for use by a private land holder. There many places on Louisiana's coast that were navigable waters that private land holders have blocked with weirs. Worst than is the inability of shrimp, specks reds, drums corkers etc. to jump a four foot high four foot wide weir to spawn. This is devastating saltwater fisheries and exponentially increasing the degradation of the marshes along the coast. A lot of scholars, who haven't lived it, can not see it.
Trust me i know exactly what you are saying although different where i live in washington. The state has dams all over fish ladders dont work worth of shit, native americans rape the lands and waterways of every critter alive, gill nets from one side of the river to the other so salmon cannot possibly pass to go to spawning grounds. Our fisheries are collapsing here and soon nothing will be left. Cant believe they pull that sh*t where you are at. Always wanted to fish louisiana.
My dad is from florida do no big bayous there but we always wanted to plan a trip and fish in the bayous then offshore for tuna. Never happened he got old but it was a dream at one point. Hope things get better there. Fight fight fight is all i can say. Thats what we are doing here and now dams are coming down and they finally are cutting the natives off because the small runs of salmon returning. Change is needed.
Have these landowners that constucted these weirs & dams obtained permission from ALL, and I mean ALL, governing authorities to place weirs & dams?
@joeymc5272 the native Americans do not treat our waterways like that, the white man does. They don't take anymore than what they're allocated by law. For you to spead that misinformation is horrible. You should be banned from RUclips. It's a straight up lie.
Here in NW Louisiana with lock an dams on the Red River , we had similar issues. Since the dams flooded a lot of private lands, not all the land owners sold the water rights, and they were legally able to post their land, which caused a lot of hard feelings too. But I must say these flooded lands I'm talking about were off the active river water navigation system. Therefore, yes it could be legal posted and enforced. As an avid deer hunter and fisherman, I've learned to respect posted notices.
Who ever created that bill should tried and jailed. The marshes should never be anything but national seashore. Leases on the land from the state should be the only way to use the martsh for anything but fishing. Wake Louisiana! You are going backwards!
Low IQ state with low IQ laws. Their governor is probably hovering around 85 and the Sheriff an even 60.
That law was passed because the lawmakers love to hunt and fish. Follow the money and watch. Better yet, track down which ones hunt and fish with no payment to the club/landowner.
@christopherkibodeaux2319 I'm with you. When I was young, you couldn't own the marsh. Alas, Louisiana is becoming more like Florida. And that really sucks!
If it’s tidal water, it’s federal water. The US federal government holds all navigable, tidal waterways as a public trust for the people. Louisiana has no say over whether this bayou is public or private if it is tidal.
@@DukeTrout See, all this talk about law and rights, is just bullshit. They don't mean a damn thing, unless you can enforce it. It is all just inconvenient semantics in power struggles. I learned that in Yugoslavia. If the LA government is corrupt determined to violate it, and the federal government can't or wont enforce it, that right for Louisiana citizens is basically null and void.
Is that where bumblebee tuna comes from?
Great video. You did an awesome job dealing with that person. Many of us wouldn’t be so nice.
Hey man. Chronic inflammation guy here. You don't have to give up all your vegetables. The carnivore diet is better described as an (if you weren't aware) exclusion diet.
After a few weeks you should add back in your favorite veggies one at a time until something flares you up.
I've been ketovore for about 4.5 years. And the only thing that really seems to get my inflammation angry is grains.
I've had the same thing happen to me in Louisiana. I'm from La. originally but live in MS now. Out of state licenses are expensive just to be bullied out of a fishing hole. Confrontation is the last thing I want when fishing. Local political cronyism is the very reason no major fishing organization will hold tournaments in south Louisiana any longer missing out on millions of tourism dollars. Hopefully you can continue to bring light to this situation and bring about change.
@@HeartbreakerRelics I'm originally from Louisiana but live in Ms now too what part of Louisiana you from and what part of ms you in
@@HeartbreakerRelics Amen brother, I grew up down there, but live in Oklahoma now. I’m wanting to get down there for fishing after watching Marsh Man and others, but don’t want to fish the wrong place!
Louisiana is so crooked.
Lousiana is one of the most corrupt states in the south, which we all know is still no comparison to the corruption of Dem states like Cali, Il, NY, etc.
@@matthewguillot7281 I'm from Tangipahoa parish but now I live in Long Beach, MS.
You handled that very well and explained it very well at the end. I recently had a similar incident in Virginia and also stood my ground. The local sheriff and game and fish officers confirmed I was correct.
That guy in the second boat had a choice to spend time hunting with his friends or arguing with a stranger. He chose the latter. Some people will always choose misery and rancor over happiness.
He was showing off in front of his buddies…
@@MichaelBethJones some people like to protect what belongs to them. The fisherman could have not made the assumption that the water was public when he passed the no trespassing signs. It’s just not smart. I think lot of the missing persons over the years got lost on private property. It’s dangerous business trespassing and then giving attitude when confronted by the property owner or their representative. You never know what some of these people may do. My advice would be stay out of areas that say no trespassing, especially in LA where the laws are different. If you are confronted don’t mouth off and refute them when you don’t know what you are talking about. Always be respectful. It ain’t worth getting in a fight or worse over fishing. Landowners will take it very personally.
@@kevinc233
"...According to Louisiana law, the state owns all the land under the beds and bottoms of navigable waters like rivers, lakes, bays, and streams that run through it, meaning the state essentially owns all the land under the water that flows through Louisiana; this is primarily based on Louisiana Civil Code Article 450..."
Regardless of some map from 200 years ago or older, if a piece of water is now "flowing" (as in this video) the public has access to it regardless of what some "territorial ASS HAT"...thinks belongs to them...
@kevinc233 where in this video does it show no trespassing signs.
@@DrFunk-rk6yl Spot on...I was thinking the same thing..."what sign...where...???"...We have too much corruption in some areas of this country and a level of territoriality that is just obtuse.
Folks from Monroe are certifiable, good for you for standing up to him
Great video ! Same thing happened to us in Point Aux Chene a few years ago. Land owner made an ass out of himself 🤦🏻♀️ as he was screaming at us trying to convince us of his non existing laws and losing his mind ,we were pulling in fish and totally ignored him. Needless to say we caught the rest of our limit while he was trying to get us to leave. We left telling him to have a great day ! Go take a nap sir it’s gonna be ok the sun will rise again tomorrow 😊
Aw man Point Aux Chene was a great place to fish and crab back in the day when I lived in Houma. I never heard of BumbleBee Bayou though
Good job standing your ground. I’m a big fan of your channel.
I understand your pain even living in Texas. I have had people tell me I can’t fish around their docks and boat house. Because here they have to purchase a permit every year they think they own the water. I even had one guy throw rocks at me. Of course I called the lake patrol and he received a fine and I could have had him arrested for assault but told officers I was not interested in that. He was upset because someone stole his rods of his dock. He would leave them sticking out when he was not fishing just to keep people from getting close to the dock. I’m sure someone was teaching him a lesson. Later that week I went back there and gave him 3 new rods and reels. After that we became friends.
"Later that week I went back there and gave him 3 new rods and reels. After that we became friends."
That path leads to Uniting our entire country . STOP THAT!!! ;-0) * winky *
This brought back many good memories for me. I lived in LA in the early 1980's and used to fish the canals on a private hunting lease. You actually entered through a locked gate and the water was NOT public in the sense that you couldn't get in without a key to one of the two gates. The fishing used to be awesome there until some poachers dug a hole through the bank separating the bayou from the canals. They ran gill nets across the canals and totally destroyed the fishery. Still, I remember fondly all the reds, specks, drum and bass we used to catch there, even though in later years the fishing wasn't nearly as good after the gill netters would come in every year and clean out all the big fish.
I agree with you 100%. I ran into this situation last weekend in Delacroix. I will never mess with hunters, but as long as the water has a moving tide it is open to everyone. I feel like that if you want to claim the water as your land then dam it up and remove all of the aqua life because that belongs to the public. If your water way connects to a water way that runs into the Gulf do you own the gulf at that time? No! Being a Sportsman’s paradise, I feel like the politicians and legal system should protect fishermen and fisherwomen. I do not agree with being able to barricade a waterway. Thanks for the video, it helps bring awareness to this mega problem.
Just curious as to where this happened in Delacroix? What body of water/Lake or area of the marsh?
Me too. Fish there all the time so I would like to know the area you are talking about. I haven’t had an issue yet.
Bruh Delacroix corp will enforce it the rules are different in Delacroix because the waters are not considered tidal they dug most of those canals in Delacroix for the oil. You can see all the straight lines dug through the marsh they do not curve like a natural bayou.
I agree with you about the tidal waters but unfortunately I can tell you in bayou black tickets are written constantly for being on private property. BASS stopped having tournaments in south la because of it.
@@terryfonz4603if you create a navigable waterway it is still public. Some constitutional lawyers need to take it all the way to the higher courts.
Hmmmm. Could it be that the land owners have these judges in their pockets. Who would of thought. 😮
Harry Bourg out of Dulac La does for sure. we had a camp in Duac for 27 years used to have to pay for a permit. It was $25 a year now I think it’s $160 a year if you wanna fish on their so-called property.
Probably his cousin
Great points! You can imagine how this affects kayakers!
You are excellent at nailing the perfect spot with your casts.
When I lived in Alabama, we fought this and won.
Now it’s our time.
Wow that was definitely some marsh madness running into those duck guys. You were totally respectful and held your cool .. kudos
Wow, your best video ever Marshman. I think you are 100% correct and you handled the situation very well.
I own lakefront property on Lake Claiborne, Louisiana and the fishing has always been amazing and I have been fishing it for 50 years. Fun fact my grandfather helped build Lake Claiborne.
Todd I have run into just that situation. I hate to see anyone go through it while trying to relax and enjoy nature. I'm glad this happened to you so others who have not been through it are now aware. It can be a very upsetting situation. Thank you for explaining what happened to you so others can benefit.
Well, it's a good thing that you confirmed that it was open to the public.
I say this, since they own the water too, they should have to foot their percentage cost of costal restoration. No taxpayer money goes towards rebuilding private lands! We all know it’s a select few people who own large portions of marsh. Make them come out of pocket to restore the marsh for their part if they don’t want public fishing it.
You make a good point there.
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Fuckin right.
@@therustyblades1212 do they not pay taxes as well?
@ 1. The property taxes are parish, which do NOT go to any coastal restoration projects as the state and fed do not get a dime of that. That is state and federal grants that pay for the project. My family has property on both the Tangipahoa and Bouge chitto rivers. When we lose land it is entirely up to the owners to repair, no help from the government. And when the river cuts into your property, you lose that land, it is no longer yours..
Nice boat...nice gear...good angler. Forget the noise. Being that boat to Buffalo in May and hit the Upper Niagara for smallies. You will not regret it.
Fully agree natural bodies of water that are navigable should not be subject to any ownership. Would be great if you did a follow up should you receive anything from lwfd. I doubt you will but if you do would be a great follow ups segment.
define navigable....
Pretty sure everyone knows what that word means. I was reusing Todd’s verbiage. The more popular word to add to this is “tidal”. If the body of water is natural, navigable (able to be navigated) and is affected by the tide then you should not be able to own it. You didn’t build it.
Tons of man made canals that, like roads, can be made private. You spent the money to dig it by all means claim ownership, however if you didn’t then it’s not yours.
@@dustyflair My state regs defines navigable as able to float a canoe.
If this is the area I’m familiar with he probably received a citation in the mail. I’ve hunted this area and they own/lease those “ponds” or what have you.
@@dustyflairThe Supreme Court defined navigability as “navigable in fact is navigable by law.” In other words, if you can navigate it in a vessel, it’s legally navigable.
Great video. Keep us posted on the outcome .
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Welcome to Louisiana. Unfortunately, ol dude is right, legally. Some areas/people “enforce” it more than others. We prefished a huge lake right off the ICW in Lake Charles for 2 weeks leading up to the redfish worlds series. Day one of the World Series got a criminal trespassing ticket from a sheriff in a boat. Think he got 3/4 boats in just one lake that day. But, they will sure take our money for licenses, hotels, food, gas, etc. Love the state, but they need to get with the times.
That's crazy ain't it
I refuse to hunt or fish in Louisiana and Georgia because of things like this.
Nice job handling that jerk. If it ain’t Karens on the beach and docks it’s people like him. If a river runs threw the middle of ones property they can’t keep you out they don’t own the river
@@KrisBudnickUnfortunately, that is not the case in coastal Louisiana. I agree with you, but our crap laws no not.
The legal issue is in the favor of Todd. Here's why:
-the Louisiana Constitution, since 1921 has contained a prohibition against the alienation of the beds of navigable streams, lakes, and bodies of water.
-Additionally, Act 727 of 1954 reiterates the public policy against alienation of beds of navigable bodies of water. The act also declares null and void any patent purporting to transfer to private individuals lands including the beds of navigable bodies of water.
Watching you is really making me miss fishing. I haven't done any in years and years.
That was a very good showing on your part knowing what and where you were fishing. Thank you for standing you're ground as looney also mentions. Another thing I would like to ask is do you like your Avid. I own a 21FS and love it. Have had it for about 3 years now and have not had any real issues other than some very minor things.....Enjoyed your video !!!
Justin Royal - has had some run in with people at different fresh water lakes next to Marina Docks, he tell people all the time "You Don't Own The Water". He's a good dude and is just out to have some fun and enjoy a day of fishing and treats people as he wants to be treated. God Bless my friend and have a good one.
That was nuts! I thought you handled that perfectly. No way anyone should “own” that saltwater bayou/creek!
But he does
@@KGFishyFingerslegally speaking they don’t. They can’t. You can own a beach and make the access around it private but you cannot legally stop someone from swimming past your beach house. They own the LAND around it not the water on it.
Where is this? I think I'd like to try it. Where is the ramp?
You handled that well..... better than i would have. Louisiana needs to make these issues clarified to prevent confrontation like this. But for this guy...i can tell you from what I've seen in south MS with land it has gone from being able to hunt anywhere to being leased and being unaffordable. He is only hurting his kids because eventually someone with more money will have access. If it's open to everyone then they will always enjoy it. He is only teaching greed and ignorance. There is allot to be said here and that's why it needs to be handled by state and put in writing. We have a similar issue with state line boundaries. One law enforcement wants to say middle of the river and one wants to say bank to bank. There is a "reciprocal agreement" in writing that solves this but law enforcement are saying otherwise. It's a constant unneeded confrontation while out doing what we love. Makes you extremely frustrated.
It's pretty clear. Unfortunately, the answer is crap.
And there's that one guy, "you handled it better than I would have". You wouldn't have done anything unless you want to ruin the rest of your life over a fishing spot. Unless he draws on you or hits your boat you can't retaliate against mean words or just something you don't agree with. You're just another keyboard warrior.
Mfer what's your number? I'll send you a picture right now with me fishing and a 35 wheelen at my feet waiting on a hog. You picked the wrong 1 punk. Try me.
@@073286I am glad Texas is open carry for that exact reason. I don’t have to “flash” my 9. It is always on my hip in plain view. It tends to calm down the a-holes. And yeah, it is ALWAYS with me. Just in case.
Also, there are wild pigs and gators and wild dogs, etc around where I fish.
Last month, I actually drew on a large 10’ Alligator that came up on me. I ended up calling the Game Warden who came out and trapped and removed it because some people were feeding it! It is illegal to feed a gator at a public waterway in Texas.
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I enjoyed the subtitles from the guy from Louisiana in the other boat. It reminded me of the assistant coach from the movie Waterboy. Classic
So what was the outcome?…public or private?
Private... he can't be there. He's a dick.
12:22 - 12:28 Sounds like a judge sided with the land owners.
We have the same issue in the California Delta. They will go as far as putting decoy cord in the waterways to fowl a prop. Everyone knows if I can boat into it, it’s navigable.
At about 4:42 what is that combo you are using I can tell it’s a diawa but I’m not sure on what kind also I’m not sure on the Rod?
Either Okuma X-Series or Okuma Hakai and Tournament Concept
@ thank you so much
you handled this situation perfectly. hopefully you will get hastled less and less but you handle it well.
10:35 I don’t know if you remember, but I posted on Facebook about just happening to me. They kept trying to run me out of navigable waterways. It’s the duck hunters, his calling somebody, and doing stuff like that that just shows the corruption in the department of wildlife and fisheries it needs a major revamping, now let’s see if he’s bluffing. Maybe you should get the boat numbers from his boat and make a complaint return the favor.
Why yall be fucking with them peoples duck hunting yall selfish as fuck you dont duck hunt like you can fish all year dumb fuck
Unfortunately, the law doesn't care if the water is navigable in coastal LA. That's terminology from laws in other places that don't suck.
I remember that feeling when I chartered. You feel how they hit and how they fight and guess the species. Awesome! Works in the gulf also. You know, the ol' red snapper head shake. The grouper thump. etc. Nothing more relaxing and exciting at the same time. As far as the difference in opinion, that happens, it's fishing. All the time. My opinion.
Heck yeah man, I went carnivore and I feel so much better its unbelievable. I have way more energy, stamina, clearer mind, and I don't wake up hurting anymore.
Can you give a brief description of what that entails, what you eat in a days time. Im very interested in doing this.
Arkansas here. According to what I’ve seen heard and run into, it’s private if the river channel is low enough to not be able to cross by boat. If high enough to cross with boat then it’s public
I have a lease in St Bernard and have never run a fisherman off. I've had them come into the pond I was hunting just stand up and wave them off, 90% will actually move completely out of the area. I don't mind boats passing through or fishing often times they will push any ducks on the lease to come check out where I am. one of the dumbest rules Louisiana has.
And this is the way to handle it. I would just move on and respect that you are there hunting. But my experience is like most, the duck hunters are complete a-holes.
Wow a south LA duck hunter that isn't a jerk! \
@ I have never had any issue in St Bernard where I fish all the time. I try to respect the hunters and if I see one or know there are some in an area, I will avoid that area. @haroldgallo4246 seems like a reasonable hunter and handles it the correct way. With 80% of the marsh privately owned, it’s hard to determine where those boundaries are.
ive had a few that trolled through my decoys and flared every bird and refused to leave. Biggest issue I had were some mudboats coming down a narrow to get to another property and nearly running me over in my pirogue on my way to my blind
@@LastWizardKing and this I would never do. I would respect that you were there and move to another area. I think both property owners, lessee and rec fisherman need to work together on this. Those guys were not hunting. More than likely leaving for the morning and Todd was in no way interfering with their hunt. Or if he was, “hey bud we are going to be hunting our lease in a few minutes, could you go fish another areas so you don’t mess us up” would have been appropriate
I found out a few years ago , the state of GA does not have any navigable waterways as the legislature has determined that there are no open waterways in GA.
Good morning- Brother, you are reading my mail here. I love fishing Louisiana coastal waters, but the idea of someone with money who happens to own title to land bordering waters being able to deny access to navigable waters for anglers is pathetic. I have encountered this in my visits to Louisiana, and it's a crazy thing to have to deal with. I don't mess with duck hunters or anyone else using the waters, and I would like to think I'd get that courtesy returned, but not, I guess, in certain parts of Louisiana. Nice little rat reds, by the way
Him saying "its not navigable" as he's navigating the bayou is what got me.
Let us know and make video of what the outcome is. If you receive a ticket or need to appear in court for trespassing, what do you plan to do?
Follow-up is critical. It’s how you build momentum to affect meaningful change.
There's not going to be an outcome because guy was making that conversation up to sound important
That's legally not possible, a game warden can't write tickets without physical evidence. No cop can write a ticket just based off hearsay.
I dealt with this issue when I used to work as a Deputy where part of the county was an Indian reservation. Enrolled members of the tribe would set out hundreds of leech traps (leeches are a popular fishing bait in midwest) on bodies of water and were always looking for new bodies to set traps on. Land owners who owned land around sloughs and other small bodies of water would file complaints and claim ownership of the water, but as long as the trapper could float a canoe on the slough and could access if from public/permitted land, they were legal as long as they used floating traps that didn't touch the bottom. There was also discussion of "green vs blue" water, which as I understood was if the body of water was on a map, it was blue water and it's surface was open to the public, but if it wasn't on a map, it was green water and fully private.
I can’t stand the duck hunters, they always think they can just run everybody out public waters. Notice the other guys on the boat didn’t say a word, they are probably tired of him harassing everyone
I'm sure the duck hunters just love YOU
Not everyone is the same. I love duck hunting but I know respect. I also agree that there are duck hunters that don’t know respect, but there are fishermen like that too. Don’t put everyone in the same boat.
Bird watchers are brutal here. They make water that fisherman and hunters pay for and make it illegal to hunt or fish so they can bird watch. They pay nothing towards the conservation of those spots, but those who do aren't allowed to use it to fish. It's always the best spots too.
@@henryroop3671the guy who wasn’t following the law doesn’t need to be respected
@@steveescher1554Where is “here”?
Well said, well done, and being well informed matters. Handled perfectly.
Anybody know where this Bumblebee Bayou is? As a fisherman and duck hunter I'm curious where the navigable waters are in conjunction with the private property. I'd like to see it on a map.
Me too
I need some additional explanation here. What are the conditions that would make navigable water private??? As an example, because it's tidal, does this bayou become UN-navigable during low tide and therefore considered part of the private property that surrounds it? Or, do some jurisdictions actually include sections of navigable water in the title to the land? For example....can someone buy and hold the deed to 40 acres of 'property' that is made up of 30 acres of dry land and 10 acres of navigable water?
It’s weird here, but basically - he’s in a naturally occurring bayou. the odds that he’s on private property are very slim.
If you own a bunch of marsh and dig a long canal through it, this would be considered a private waterway even if it was 20+ ft deep.
Likewise, if you had 100 acres of solid marsh and storms destroyed it all and you’re left with 100 acres of open water, it could all be considered private, even if it’s indistinguishable from the lake that was adjacent to it in 1812. Land loss is a huge part of the issue
Whatever happened in this case? Would you let us know. I heard this is the reason Bassmaster quit letting anglers fish in Louisiana during the Sabine River events.
it isnt a CASE. But Louisiana law is clear. In some instances you can own the bayou.
The guy arguing that the water was not navigable while both parties were sitting in good sized fishing boats. Good approach by you
So glad you got that on video. Too many navigable bayous are marked and people think they own the fish. Much of the signs I find are not lawful. Be safe out there.
Just because of that interaction, I would be fishing there every time I could.
I don’t believe you were in the wrong, I agree with you Mr. Todd. These land owners DO NOT OWN THE WATER! You can’t own navigable water as it naturally comes and goes (as you told the gentlemen). I severely do not agree the way how we as natives to this state handle “owning land” on the water when it comes to hunting or fishing. It completely contradicts our states name to “sportsman paradise”. Yes, you parked and got onto the leased land they pay for, you’re 110% trespassing, floating on the water not touching a single crumb of dirt from their property, no violating property, trashing the land, etc that is NOT TRESPASSING!
I agree with you, but the laws here do not. It sucks.
@ yeah man it really does
justin,...Try walking into premium trout rivers and start fishing and see what happens. Go to Alaska and start panning for Gold in some streams and see what happens. These Sheriff's in these communities follow local laws that locals want enforced.
In fact in LA many times they do own the water or at least own the right to keep others out......... Not saying right or wrong but it is the law.
@@dustyflair Well for the gold it would be because someone has a claim.
I’ve never seen someone handle this situation this well other than Justin Royal. Well done
They keep this up, they won't have any tourists coming to the state. You watch what happens to the towns without all that tourist money, theyll go broke. I know ill never go down there ever again. I will not spend my money in a state that acts like that.
Navigable waters have to maintain a certain distance across year round tidal water areas and rivers/streams are a grey area depends on the state laws your in
As a duck hunter he’s in the wrong the actual marsh land may be private and illegal to access but that water channel is not owned by him
That isn't true. In LA a LOT of marsh water is private property. A lot of states have simplified to a definition of if tidally influenced it is navigable but LA has NOT. LA depends on a map of pre 1812 to determine navigability, if it was navigable then it is open to public and if not on the map it is private which makes it a nightmare for enforcement. Not saying right or wrong just stating the law.
I'm jealous up here in MA. 46 degrees today and it was "unusually warm."
Open waterways should be 100% public.
I love how this guy knows what hit before you can see it. I wouldn’t be sure it was actually a “fish” until it was at the boat…lol
One thing that Louisiana is unfortunately full of, is "outdoorsman" who don't have a clue. What a goofball. Great video as always!
You are absolutely right. Water is public no matter what plan and simple. I feel no judge should be saying it is not public when you can look up water laws, and it is in black, and White that all waters are public
My opinion as both a duck hunter and avid fisherman. Sometimes these "cooyons" think they own the land when it's actually leased from the state. Even big oil companies lease the land too. They even go so far as to build a gate and block off navigable canals and waterways claiming the land "under" the water is private. If it's navigable then it's accessible to fish. HOWEVER, the courteous and respectful thing to do during hunting season is "STAY AWAY FROM THOSE AREAS at least until the hunters leave for the day. If you encroach on them while hunting, not only do you make the ducks veer off, you post a safety issue and keep them from shooting ducks because you may be in the fire lanes. Also, keep in mind the hunters pay large lease fees and you as a fisherman, don't. There are only 30 days to hunt to your 365 days to fish. Both hunters and fishermen don't have to be jerks to each other. Be nice, courteous and respectful and everybody gets to enjoy another day.
You got it right IMHO
Well said, do you know where this BumbleBee Bayou is?
@@johnie9497 Sorry but, I don't know where that bayou is. I may have fished around it but, never knew the name.
Is that a bass boat? If so, what do you have to do extra for running a bass boat in salt water?
I used to fish Louisiana and all the way over to Florida , I went to Court once to fight a situation like this and won , The court ruled that the only way water deep enough to tread can be private is if it has no access to any other water such as River .
Anyone else find it hilarious how many time they said navigable? It is just such a cumbersome word it is funny hearing it so many times in a short succession