I went with a super C because it has more clearance for rougher roads than a class A. Also I kept hearing about windshield replacement in a class A. 2 months in and we’re pleased with our Europa.
I think that the best reason of all for getting a class C over a class A is the incredibly expensive cost of replacing a class A windshield. It doesn’t take a whole lot for a class A windshield to be declared unfit for travel on the highways by a police officer who wants to get his quota in for ticketing vehicles declared to be unfit for travel. Yes I’m being facetious but it is still a good possibility that police officers might have at least a perceived vendetta to carry out.
Being a retired truck driver, ive seen my fair share of head on truck collisions. The engine is mounting is designed to move under truck during accident. I still believe there is nominal safety increase in a super c.
You nailed it Duane like always. I think that for most retired older folk like me and the wife a class A is the choice. A lot of money is needed to purchase these luxury vehicles and younger folk that would like the Super C's for the children can't afford to these units. To me the extra towing capacity is the kicker in the equation. You are correct on the safety aspect. However I would like to point out no one has ever been killed in a Wanderlodge. Doubt if anyone has ever been killed in a Prevost conversion or Newell either. The biggest safety factor in a big class A is that drivers can see you. Thank you for your videos. I really appreciate them.
Anyone who has any trouble seeing a Super C class motorhome should not have a license period. A class A is unquestionably a larger sized motorhome but that doesn’t mean that the class Super C is small by any means and should be very easily seen.
Took a 30 mph hit on front of my freight lighter and replaced front bumper and mounts and a new hood because I bought used hood for 600 dollars including new paint. It also has all point air ride plus cab is full air ride. I also have direct throttle control and transmission control not 30 foot away. I can tow 100 times more storage than a class a can store or carry. Also I carry a full size vehicle to transport the hole family and can also tow trailer to different camp site for a couple days boon docking in the tow trailer with inside beds and cleaning area for sanitary comfort.
I think that was a well balanced and honest comparison. We have owned our diesel pusher for over 16 years and are very happy with it. I am attracted to super Cs for many of the reasons that you mentioned. Just not sure if we can handle the trade offs. Thanks for the excellent video!
Hi Tom. Super Cs are definitely worth considering. But just as you said, you have to be willing to accept the trade offs. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Great job! I’ve been researching for my new RV for last one and a half years and you were very fair and accurate 🙂. Couple nice things about the “real” Super C’s (Renegade Classic and ShowHauler) is you can customize the living space, also the front where you sit can be totally open like a class A or have the bunk-or-cab. Finally the wall have an extreme weather and sound package. Very quiet and whether you are 110 degrees or 30 below, it takes very little to keep it comfortable.
Nice, balanced presentation. We went from a Class A DP to a baby Super C because of my wife wanted an engine in front of her for safety reasons. She was never comfortable in the Class A. As you point out, whatever the choice, it is a mixed blessing. Personally, I can't imagine towing more than a car behind me, so the enormous tow capacity would be wasted.
Thanks for sharing Robert. Everybody has different priorities and needs for their RV travels, so I'm glad that you have found the RV that fits you best.
That's a common theory, but I have a counter argument. Do you want thousands of pounds of steel being forced back through your firewall? People forget the Class A coaches have a much higher ride height frontal collisions result in the vehicle in front of you taking out your generator, that's about it. Numbers seem to back this up as well. Plainly put, people just aren't dying in Class A frontal collisions. Spent many many years in the auto insurance business...not sure the exact reason(s) why, it's just the numbers :)
Statistics obtained by a reputable agency or under testing by the same are hard to refute. If people are being killed in class A motorhomes at an alarming rate I would be concerned about traveling in one but apparently the science doesn’t support that from what people are saying in this forum.
Great info....as always! The main con to me. Most Super C driver/passenger seats don't swivel 180 deg so you cant use them as guest seating. Also, the Genset is often close to the bedroom. Thx!
The class A in my opinion does have a roomier feel to it around the area that the driver occupies as well. Not to mention it is hard to beat the view that is afforded by that massive windshield in a class A.
Man! What a thorough and well explained comparison!! Well done! I'll be watching some more of your videos. If the rest are like this you'll gain a new subscriber. Personally I have always had a thing for Super C's; since they came out.
Hi Zach. Thanks for the positive feedback. It's always good to hear that my videos are appreciated. I hope you sub the channel and I'll look forward to hearing from you again!
Duane you have really gotten me in trouble NOW!! I can't convince my lovely wife to visit the Newmar dealership. Take your pick dear, a New Air or a Superstar! Go ahead take your pick. I'll be OK with your choice!! Great Pro and Con examples. The only problem that we have is that the $$ tree in the backyard will not bloom! I need a professional GARDENER. THANKS SAFE TRAVELS!!
Rent one to see if either one fit your needs (or want?) first. The RV rent money you pay will be well spent before you commit serious dollars on these RVs which are primarily for those who live in them full time.
I'll have to drive a super c to compare. I have a Sprinter 3500 class C now, and when at highway speed, you don't hear the engine at all. you also don't see the hood at all.
I would be very surprised if a class Super C was noisy to the point of not wanting one. The technology around noise suppression has come a long way since the Model T or A.
I'm glad that the video was helpful Rick and Darci. There are lots of reasons why a gasser could be a better choice than any diesel powered motorhome depending on your situation and needs. But I'm glad that your mind is at rest about your decision now. :-)
It may be a bad question and not a problem because I have one, but my wife was asking if you have to have a CDL to drive the Super C and the Class A? Thanks for the video, very good info!
Hi Jason. In most states you don't have to have anything other than a regular drivers license. But there are a few states that do require more qualifications for big rig RVs. Here's a website with a pretty good breakdown of the requirements for each state - www.baysiderv.com/do-you-need-a-cdl-for-an-rv
I live in Canada and with some digging I can probably find it myself but do you think Canada for the most part doesn’t require any special driver licensing requirements for either a class A or Super C?
A lot of Super C RVs come with air suspension. But if it doesn't have it from the factory I would suggest trying other suspension upgrades before doing a full air suspension install. I just think it's more practical.
Any thoughts on the Entegra Accolade 37K? That is the one that has caught our eyes from the year of looking in preparation of buying one? We started off with looking at the class As, but the horror stories on the internet about getting it worked on and how long they stay in the shop if you find one has driven us away from them.
Entegra is one of the better quality manufacturers in the RV industry. I haven't personally inspected an Entegra Super C but I have inspected some regular Class Cs of theirs and I was impressed with the overall quality of the product compared to their competitors. I think you would be happy with that choice. Just be sure to get it inspected before you take delivery to get all the bugs worked out in advance.
Does the Super C really have more room for a family than a Class A? Lots of Class A’s have the drop down bunk over the front, plus’s the drivers area becomes part of the living space when you rotate the seats.
Yes, some Class A RVs have drop down beds. But not all of them do. And they get more scarce as you go back a few years. But Super Cs almost always have a bunk area over the cab.
My apologies before hand for my blunt comment Apparently: a 45 super C has the same living area as a 35 foot DP or a 35 foot Gasser with the new F53 chassis. What??? How??? -Super C From the front bumper to the back of the driver seat, u have aprox 7 to 10 feet of non living space. -all super Cs model designs are probably 20 to 30 years old with a lipstic touch. I happen to like this. - No super C has been designed to be an RV from the ground up. -Bay storage , forget it, no comparisson. Having said that : I would may not buy a Class A, without an Xxtreme Rhino bumper up front(Mad Max type), a winch for the very slippery roads up north and a driving suit ala iron-man(i would probably only wear it the first day)
I laugh at the "safer in a front end collision" statement. Go to a Copart® auction yard that has semis and look where that engine ends up. In a DP, the point of impact will likely be below your seats. You.also sit further back from the windshield. That's why no air bags. A plus for Class C buyers is that Liquid Springs® now has a front end option. You also can get air ride seats for the cockpit.
Well, I've seen some pretty bad Class A front end collision results Roy. It's one reason why I keep a lot of distance between me and other vehicles in front of me while driving. And I still have to think that having all that heavy duty hardware out in front that a vehicle has to go through to get to the passengers is a good thing. And air bags do help too. But nobody agrees on everything. Thanks for your thoughts about this subject Roy!
@@RVInspectionAndCare Ya, I walked through Colaw's RV salvage yard 20+ years ago and saw several DPs with the front end smashed. Air bags on a DP were determined to be dangerous because of the distance between the dash and seats.
As a reconstruction fatal collision expert, I can absolutely tell you that a front motor set up gives extensive protection over glass. The crush you see is designed to take delta v from passengers just like a car or pick up. Driver and passenger of busses rarely survive frontal impacts but semi drivers fare really well. This is why the snub nose semi’s lost popularity. The other pro to super C is the off road ability that the bus does not have due to clearance. Enjoy your travels
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I went with a super C because it has more clearance for rougher roads than a class A. Also I kept hearing about windshield replacement in a class A. 2 months in and we’re pleased with our Europa.
Hi Ken. It sounds like you made a good choice for your needs. Thanks for sharing your experience with us!
I think that the best reason of all for getting a class C over a class A is the incredibly expensive cost of replacing a class A windshield. It doesn’t take a whole lot for a class A windshield to be declared unfit for travel on the highways by a police officer who wants to get his quota in for ticketing vehicles declared to be unfit for travel. Yes I’m being facetious but it is still a good possibility that police officers might have at least a perceived vendetta to carry out.
I love Super C for its power, safety and serviceability. 😎
Thanks for sharing your opinion Larry. A lot of people agree with you!
Being a retired truck driver, ive seen my fair share of head on truck collisions. The engine is mounting is designed to move under truck during accident. I still believe there is nominal safety increase in a super c.
I agree with you Gene. Having that engine out front is a safety feature that should be at least considered. Thanks for sharing your experience!
You nailed it Duane like always. I think that for most retired older folk like me and the wife a class A is the choice. A lot of money is needed to purchase these luxury vehicles and younger folk that would like the Super C's for the children can't afford to these units. To me the extra towing capacity is the kicker in the equation. You are correct on the safety aspect. However I would like to point out no one has ever been killed in a Wanderlodge. Doubt if anyone has ever been killed in a Prevost conversion or Newell either. The biggest safety factor in a big class A is that drivers can see you. Thank you for your videos. I really appreciate them.
Those are all good points and I'm glad that you shared them with us. Thanks as always for watching and commenting!
Anyone who has any trouble seeing a Super C class motorhome should not have a license period. A class A is unquestionably a larger sized motorhome but that doesn’t mean that the class Super C is small by any means and should be very easily seen.
Took a 30 mph hit on front of my freight lighter and replaced front bumper and mounts and a new hood because I bought used hood for 600 dollars including new paint. It also has all point air ride plus cab is full air ride. I also have direct throttle control and transmission control not 30 foot away. I can tow 100 times more storage than a class a can store or carry. Also I carry a full size vehicle to transport the hole family and can also tow trailer to different camp site for a couple days boon docking in the tow trailer with inside beds and cleaning area for sanitary comfort.
That's great Tom. It sounds like you love your RV choice. Thanks for sharing your positive Super C experience with us!
I think that was a well balanced and honest comparison. We have owned our diesel pusher for over 16 years and are very happy with it. I am attracted to super Cs for many of the reasons that you mentioned. Just not sure if we can handle the trade offs. Thanks for the excellent video!
Hi Tom. Super Cs are definitely worth considering. But just as you said, you have to be willing to accept the trade offs. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Great job! I’ve been researching for my new RV for last one and a half years and you were very fair and accurate 🙂. Couple nice things about the “real” Super C’s (Renegade Classic and ShowHauler) is you can customize the living space, also the front where you sit can be totally open like a class A or have the bunk-or-cab. Finally the wall have an extreme weather and sound package. Very quiet and whether you are 110 degrees or 30 below, it takes very little to keep it comfortable.
Thanks for those additional ideas about Super Cs David. It's good information to have. Thanks for watching and commenting!
So which one of the so called 'real' Super Cs do you own personally?
Excellent pros and cons lists.
That's great to hear Tony. I'm glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you! I've been trying to decide between these rvs and your comparison helps.
Glad I could help Edward. Thanks for watching!
Nice, balanced presentation. We went from a Class A DP to a baby Super C because of my wife wanted an engine in front of her for safety reasons. She was never comfortable in the Class A. As you point out, whatever the choice, it is a mixed blessing. Personally, I can't imagine towing more than a car behind me, so the enormous tow capacity would be wasted.
Thanks for sharing Robert. Everybody has different priorities and needs for their RV travels, so I'm glad that you have found the RV that fits you best.
That's a common theory, but I have a counter argument. Do you want thousands of pounds of steel being forced back through your firewall? People forget the Class A coaches have a much higher ride height frontal collisions result in the vehicle in front of you taking out your generator, that's about it. Numbers seem to back this up as well. Plainly put, people just aren't dying in Class A frontal collisions. Spent many many years in the auto insurance business...not sure the exact reason(s) why, it's just the numbers :)
Statistics obtained by a reputable agency or under testing by the same are hard to refute. If people are being killed in class A motorhomes at an alarming rate I would be concerned about traveling in one but apparently the science doesn’t support that from what people are saying in this forum.
Great info....as always! The main con to me. Most Super C driver/passenger seats don't swivel 180 deg so you cant use them as guest seating. Also, the Genset is often close to the bedroom. Thx!
Those are good points too Rob. Thanks for commenting!
The class A in my opinion does have a roomier feel to it around the area that the driver occupies as well. Not to mention it is hard to beat the view that is afforded by that massive windshield in a class A.
Thanks Duane for your great "contrast & compare" video. We're in the decision stages and this was VERY helpful.
So glad to hear that it was helpful Jim! It's my inspiration to continue making videos like this.
Well done, objective comparison. Thanks.
I’m glad it was helpful Bob. Thanks for commenting.
Man! What a thorough and well explained comparison!! Well done! I'll be watching some more of your videos. If the rest are like this you'll gain a new subscriber. Personally I have always had a thing for Super C's; since they came out.
Hi Zach. Thanks for the positive feedback. It's always good to hear that my videos are appreciated. I hope you sub the channel and I'll look forward to hearing from you again!
Duane you have really gotten me in trouble NOW!! I can't convince my lovely wife to visit the Newmar dealership. Take your pick dear, a New Air or a Superstar! Go ahead take your pick. I'll be OK with your choice!! Great Pro and Con examples. The only problem that we have is that the $$ tree in the backyard will not bloom! I need a professional GARDENER.
THANKS SAFE TRAVELS!!
Ha! Ha! Sorry if I got you in trouble Ron. Hopefully you can coax her back onto a Newmar dealer's lot soon. :-)
Rent one to see if either one fit your needs (or want?) first. The RV rent money you pay will be well spent before you commit serious dollars on these RVs which are primarily for those who live in them full time.
That's a good suggestion. Thanks for sharing that thought with us.
Lol! If you find that gardener with the expertise in money trees will you please send him to British Columbia to spread some seeds around.
Excellent comparison.
Glad you think so Jonathan. Thanks for watching!
Great information!
Glad you think so Angela. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Thank you!
I'm very glad that you enjoyed this video. Thanks for watching!
I'll have to drive a super c to compare. I have a Sprinter 3500 class C now, and when at highway speed, you don't hear the engine at all. you also don't see the hood at all.
Hi Matt. That's a big jump from a Sprinter class RV to a Super C. But why not give it a try, right? :-)
I would be very surprised if a class Super C was noisy to the point of not wanting one. The technology around noise suppression has come a long way since the Model T or A.
Great video, thank you.
Glad you liked it Daralen. It's a subject that I get a lot of questions about. Thanks for watching!
What the name of the class a on the video when I saw it
Which Class A in the video are you asking about? At what point in the video?
With all the pro’s and cons you gave it eases our mind on getting a gasser over a diesel of any kind.
I'm glad that the video was helpful Rick and Darci. There are lots of reasons why a gasser could be a better choice than any diesel powered motorhome depending on your situation and needs. But I'm glad that your mind is at rest about your decision now. :-)
It may be a bad question and not a problem because I have one, but my wife was asking if you have to have a CDL to drive the Super C and the Class A? Thanks for the video, very good info!
Hi Jason. In most states you don't have to have anything other than a regular drivers license. But there are a few states that do require more qualifications for big rig RVs. Here's a website with a pretty good breakdown of the requirements for each state - www.baysiderv.com/do-you-need-a-cdl-for-an-rv
I live in Canada and with some digging I can probably find it myself but do you think Canada for the most part doesn’t require any special driver licensing requirements for either a class A or Super C?
@@richardwestmoreland4796 only if they have airbrakes, you will need an airbrake endorsement
Cannypy add an air suspension to a super c?
A lot of Super C RVs come with air suspension. But if it doesn't have it from the factory I would suggest trying other suspension upgrades before doing a full air suspension install. I just think it's more practical.
Any thoughts on the Entegra Accolade 37K? That is the one that has caught our eyes from the year of looking in preparation of buying one? We started off with looking at the class As, but the horror stories on the internet about getting it worked on and how long they stay in the shop if you find one has driven us away from them.
Entegra is one of the better quality manufacturers in the RV industry. I haven't personally inspected an Entegra Super C but I have inspected some regular Class Cs of theirs and I was impressed with the overall quality of the product compared to their competitors. I think you would be happy with that choice. Just be sure to get it inspected before you take delivery to get all the bugs worked out in advance.
4x4 for super C !
Yes, there are a few of those and they are great for boondocking!
Great comparison. Thx!
Glad it was helpful Shaun. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Class a is like a luxury tour bus.
It certainly can be Geno. Thanks for watching!
Does the Super C really have more room for a family than a Class A? Lots of Class A’s have the drop down bunk over the front, plus’s the drivers area becomes part of the living space when you rotate the seats.
Yes, some Class A RVs have drop down beds. But not all of them do. And they get more scarce as you go back a few years. But Super Cs almost always have a bunk area over the cab.
I think towing capacity and access are probably the only pro’s of a Super C that hold any weight.
Safety as well.
Everybody has their own opinions about what is most important to them. And you are entitled to your opinion.
For sure. Just thinking out loud and interested in finding out any helpful information as I make the decision. Thanks for the video!
My curiousity now after looking at a few Super C's, is do we want a Class A Gas RV or a Super C Diesel RV?
Decisions ... Decisions! I'm sure you'll make the right one for your needs Ken. Thanks for watching!
Dude. A S C is great but towing is 10k to 15K. Not 30. Rest is 👍👍👍👍
Sorry "dude". You need to check out the towing capacity of both the Newmar Supreme Aire and the Renegade Ikon Super Cs. They are both at 30,000 lbs.
motorhome 4 sure
and a diesel pusher 4 sure
Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us.
My apologies before hand for my blunt comment
Apparently: a 45 super C has the same living area as a 35 foot DP or a 35 foot Gasser with the new F53 chassis. What??? How???
-Super C From the front bumper to the back of the driver seat, u have aprox 7 to 10 feet of non living space.
-all super Cs model designs are probably 20 to 30 years old with a lipstic touch. I happen to like this.
- No super C has been designed to be an RV from the ground up.
-Bay storage , forget it, no comparisson.
Having said that :
I would may not buy a Class A, without an Xxtreme Rhino bumper up front(Mad Max type), a winch for the very slippery roads up north and a driving suit ala iron-man(i would probably only wear it the first day)
Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us on Super Cs and Class As.
I laugh at the "safer in a front end collision" statement. Go to a Copart® auction yard that has semis and look where that engine ends up. In a DP, the point of impact will likely be below your seats. You.also sit further back from the windshield. That's why no air bags. A plus for Class C buyers is that Liquid Springs® now has a front end option. You also can get air ride seats for the cockpit.
Well, I've seen some pretty bad Class A front end collision results Roy. It's one reason why I keep a lot of distance between me and other vehicles in front of me while driving. And I still have to think that having all that heavy duty hardware out in front that a vehicle has to go through to get to the passengers is a good thing. And air bags do help too. But nobody agrees on everything. Thanks for your thoughts about this subject Roy!
@@RVInspectionAndCare Ya, I walked through Colaw's RV salvage yard 20+ years ago and saw several DPs with the front end smashed. Air bags on a DP were determined to be dangerous because of the distance between the dash and seats.
As a reconstruction fatal collision expert, I can absolutely tell you that a front motor set up gives extensive protection over glass. The crush you see is designed to take delta v from passengers just like a car or pick up. Driver and passenger of busses rarely survive frontal impacts but semi drivers fare really well. This is why the snub nose semi’s lost popularity. The other pro to super C is the off road ability that the bus does not have due to clearance. Enjoy your travels
Thanks for sharing your experience with us Mike. It's much appreciated!
If you're in the bedroom of a diesel pusher while driving you will hear the engine.
Yes, that's true. But most people would be up front in the seats provided for traveling and the engine noise is just a distant hum to them.