Here is my tip... Learn to do your own RV maintenance and use a good car maintenance management program ( I use Automotive Wolf car care software ) to track and monitor it all. It also tracks all my parts, expenses and creates a detailed vehicle maintenance log. After RV'ing for over 10 years I've saved thousands by doing most of the maintenance myself and there is a lot of it on an RV! A small roof leak can cost you thousands in repairs so I check my roof at least twice a year. Keep on top of the maintenance and you'll save money and be RV'ing for years :)
I really liked this video. We are in a 21 Ft travel trailer now, and just this week decided to start looking at motor homes. You gave me some things to think about. Please completely disregard the rude comments below. You were up front about everything, admitted you were also new to this, and I just love your personality! Keep it up!
My Aunt and Uncle bought a Class A and a tow vehicle. Mom and Dad bought a 4 wheel drive van and a Beach House. The Class A was always forced to stay in large RV parks where everyone is parked side by side. The Van could go anywhere. It could go to smaller campgrounds with shower houses and bathrooms. It could go into the wilderness with a collapsible shower/toilet house. It could also go to a nice hotel with the money saved on fuel alone. And in the end, it could park in front of a Beach House that appreciated several hundred thousand dollars, while the Class A depreciated several hundred thousand.
Spurious effect: Great, public bathouse, also seaching for a pay laundromat. Why do all that when everything you need is with you, a clean shower large enough for anyone. your own washer/dryer, large capacity holding tanks, and enough power reserves if you want to boondock. We could argue points all day long, it is still up to each individual/couple to decide which floorplan, class and price point works for them.. The idea that this works for me, so it is best for you is really archaic and presumptuous.
Whatever works for you. Wasting assets, and by that I mean assets which do not appreciate, may not bother you in the slightest, but most people need to consider that.
You minimalists and your militant attitude will do nothing but turn people off to your movement, which is something I can appreciate. But you constantly whine about wasted assets and won't even listen to or accept anyone else's view. My class A get's 10 - 12 mpg which is more then the 6 -8 that most V10's class C's get. Do some research before you try to force your opinion on someone or excuse me browbeat someone into accepting your opinion as fact........
You are reading things into my comments that just aren't there. I even said "whatever works for you". I think you are just having a bad day. I hope you have a great day tomorrow. Enjoy your travels.
I read back through my comments again, and I believe I see where we got off track. I believe you considered the term "wasting asset" to be something negative. Cars, television sets, refrigerators, anything that loses value over time is a wasting asset, but that doesn't mean we should never own those things. You should enjoy your class A. You worked hard for that.
@@jesseopdahl8258 I bet you're fun at parties. You could probably find a way to say that the host of the party votes a certain way because they served onion dip instead of cheese dip.
@@jesseopdahl8258. Typical MAGA Nation minions: toxic, condescending, vindictive & insufferable bigots. I digress. I still stick with class A. Thank you very much 😊..
Everybody is a critic, I'm on my second class A and I love it I would not switch to a class C. As far as the impact leave a lot of room between you and the car confront of you, drive it slower and safer and it is not a issue. To each is own
This is a great video! I watched it last year before we bought our 32 foot class C. The cheaper cost of repairs is a BIG reason for getting a Class C. Yeah, that van front end sticking out of the front of your motorhome isn't sexy, but when we had an F0 tornado hit our RV storage lot and we lost a passenger window. We did not have to go to an expensive RV repair place ($150.00 an hour...ouch). We just called up Satellite auto glass and because the repair was less than our deductible we just paid out of pocket!
Do they make a class C that is 50amp with two ac units. One ac unit just isn't enough I've went and looked at about 3 class C now and I burnt up in them the whole time !
Class cs are just more pickup like in the the operation, maintenance and driving than the class a. The thing I like better about motorhomes than towables is we feel like the vacation starts when we load up to leave and everyone is already enjoying the rv already , the bathroom, fridge, sink, couch, beds etc. The towables you have to wait til you are stopped or set up to start using them.
I agree. The vacation really does begin once you hit the road. I also like that when we are taking off early in the morning are kids can just crawl into the bed and sleep as we begin our trip. Also, driving the Class C feels just like I am driving my Honda Ridgeline!
@@David-im1fp No, the overhang does not block the view of the road...it actually works like a sun visor (unless the sun is right in front of you). In addition, you are not supposed to have people sleep in the cab over while you drive ..but is it possible to have the kiddos stay in bed while you drive? Yes.
Add this: I just purchased a Class C after having owned a Class A. I found that the C was easier to keep centered in the road than with the A. It might have had something to do with the fact that driving a Class C was like driving a car, and for some reason, my eyes found it far more difficult to keep the Class A centered.....might have had something to do with depth perception differences. In any case, the Class C was a breeze to keep the vehicle in the center of the road.
When did he say I do not recommend buying a Class A? He is only listing reasons he found in his research why some people might not want to. I'm still trying to figure out what class I want and this was helpful to me but your comment was not.
Sigh. You can't figure it out? He's giving the advantages of Class C over A, but he even said he has another video that goes over advantages of Class A over C. What you should get depends entirely on your needs, which varies from person to person.
We have a 35-foot class A and we are planning to trade it for a Travel Trailer. Why? Too noisy inside at highway speeds. The V-10 engine sits right between the front seats and lots of noise penetrates the engine cover. Almost impossible to hold a conversation. A pusher Class A would not hve this problem but they cost a fortune. It's like driving a HOUSE. Yes it is hard to cool the coach with the chassis AC. Good if it has a real door to close off the back half. A wreck can be real bad because stuff from all the cabinets can pummell you. Often need to tow a car so you can see sights near your campground. So anyway we are switching to a SUV pulling a travel trailer.
Eh, I got quite a few years experience on this fine young lad. I started out in 1 man pup tent, then the 8 person stand up tent, (I still own a tent that attaches to the back of an SUV even though I've only used it once in 8 years) then on to pop ups, then to travel trailers, then Class C and finally Class A's. EVERY step was a step up for a plethora of reasons. I even started out dead set against slide outs and now I have 3. :) I have a motorcycle / scooter carrier for non towing trips and I have 2 different trailers depending on if it's a motorcycle, car, or motorcycle - golf cart trip. But, once again, it's every man for himself and whatever suits you. I know I am never planning on "un-climbing" this ladder.
What's it cost to replace that windshield? It must get hit a lot. The biggest thing I don't like about class-A's is the 1 in and out entrance, no driver's side door.
I have a class A and I love the room and the space and I bought the Gasoline 8.1 Workhorse model. So far its been great. I have learned a lot about RVs and I do my own Generator maintenance. So far best experience I have ever had. Although I have suggested to others buying Motorhomes to look into the Class C with the pop outs. It seems that the class C can be parked just about anywhere. Parking my Class A it takes some skill levels and you will always be looking for room to fit between those tight spaces.
I have been a FT for 2 yrs now, I have a Newmar Mountain Aire DP 42'. I have a toad, what I don't understand is why anyone would put themselves in a situation where they have to fit a class A MH (30' +) into a tight parking spot. my MH is docked and I take my toad wherever I want to go (shopping, restaurant, or just discovering the new territory). I have had no accidents, no body damage and I drive back to a docked MH and relax or sleep until it is time to hit the road. Ppl make it so hard on themselves........
I just bought a class A. I just upgraded from a travel trailer (nomad skyline.) I have lived in the last one for almost two years. Great living for stashing money. This video seems to be more for the seasonal vacationer vs those who are living full time in their RV. Buying used is the route I went and not a bad way to go. Maintenance is always key to expanding the life of your rv.
Hey, thanks for your research and comments. Some people don't think about these points when buying and that when driving some class A RV the driver sits in front or over the steering wheels.
This is a valuable discussion. I'm convinced that a commercial duty truck chassis (medium duty) is the best foundation for a class C. Custom building your own floor plan with quality appliances and finishes is just unbeatable. Then you still have the towing capacity.
For those who are complaining that he loses credibility when he is planning to buy a class A; he made it pretty clear up front, and at the end, tjat recognises there are good reasons to choose the class A as well. As I am in the beginning stages of deciding on an RV design for retirement, I find videos like this quite helpful. I watch a lot of them, what he has to say is generally pretty consistent with what others have said.
Simply look for Quality. It's out there My Friend. Been RV-ING for about 50 years. 6 years ago We made a Great Deal on a seldom used Class A Motor home. Google up TREX Motor Homes. We don't have a Bedroom that saves Us 8 to 10 feet of length. We're 28' long rather than 38. Easier to Park and Drive. Depending on Highway driving or City Driving Our Honest Millage is as low as 7.5 Mpg and up to 10 Mpg on the Highway. Mind Ya We have Big Mountains to deal with here in Alaska. like to help Ya out if Questions should arise. Be Well. P.S. Our Bed comes down from the Ceiling.
With a diesel pusher, you can usually find a semi-truck repair shop that can handle the repair as the engines are often the same! As for getting ripped off it always helps to do your research and know your vehicle. Calling the manufacturer can also help in a lot of the cases!
1st time RV buyer...Bought a New 2015 Thor Class C 31W at the Tampa RV Super Show.... Had a few minor issues Thor took care of everthing with no problems. Good Quality & Price Point. We have had it now 20 months. We Love it & at some point will buy another Thor Class A 37ft....Retired in Florida
We are truck camper people and if we were to do it again, we would seriously look at expedition box on a F550 4x4. You are right Class C is such a better choice if you travel a lot moving all the time and fuel savings will now become very significant. Christian
Very good points. I am new to RV's too. Looked at them my whole life though because they have always been a dream of mine. I love the way you did your research. I was told the same about the Class C but have been finding problems with the Class C workmanship. A, if you have a pusher, they don't need to go into your RV.
After owning and living for 2 years in a 36ft 2002 new 5th wheel, plus a huge trailer and later a 2006 class C.. and now a 33ft 2018 class A diesel pusher and so far its easy to drive and we like it just fine, pulling a 2019 Jeep Wrangler.
No airbags in a Class A?! I had no idea! WOW! Thanks for the review! I am thinking of buying the Ford Transit Coachmen Orion 21RS. Small RV with tons of features. Congrats of your RV purchase.
I am not Neil , overall I think my RV has payer for it self many times as I purchased it for $500.00 , if I was in a hotel instead that money would be spent in a few days in comparison with nothing owned at the end .and it has given me a peace of mind having shelter when I have little money . I love it ,. Having it for storage is great too as I would rather store my stuff that way because you have the option of a kitchen and when ya move you do not need to rent a truck and ya can't beat the privacy . happy trails.
Very interesting points to consider for sure. I have a Class B XL right now converted into a little mobile salon business. I want to upgrade to something bigger next year...I am going to look at an RV with toy hauler back...so I have a comfortable place to rest and spend the night....and a permanent spot to set up my business in the bay area....separate door entrance for clients....I did want a Class A, originally, but you have definitely mentioned things I didn't even consider before. Thanks so much. XO
after reading all the comments, I stand by my statement, that each individual has different needs and wants. Everyone has to make up their own mind as to which class and make and model bests suits the functionality they need, amenities they want, and fits within their budget..... so once again these videos may give you some insight, but you still have to do your own research and make your own decision...
Rory Roberts AMEN!! We have done research for ours and practice living in them before we went full time. Class A 2016 Fleetwood Bounder has and still works very well for us. Of course we budget everything and we fix our own repairs which is why we are saving a lot of money on it lol.
Exactly! He even said that he has another video the goes over the advantages of Class A over C. There is no better type. It depends on what you want. Personally I'd never want to drive around in a monster Class A. Maybe a very small Class A. I prefer a Class C. And the 5th wheel is not an option because it's illegal to have people and pets in it while driving. I don't have the heart to force my pets to sit in a back seat all day when I could get a Class C or A.
I agree. Price always seems to be the deciding factor. At 500,000 - 3 million, class A coaches are big, big money. I'll still take a class A. My favorite is the Newmar London Aire.
@@pmlonline Paul what do you consider a monster? Class A's come in sizes from 32' to 45', there are "short buses, that are 32' to 35' in length, and not as tall as the big boys. If you don't like class A's that's fine. But just in case you didn't know Powerhouse is a co in UT that makes class C's (Super C's) in lengths up to 52' You can go to www.powerhousecoach.com and check them out. And please stop using phrases like "big ol" and "monster" because you are misleading others. Even 5th wheels come in 60' lengths and class A's are limited to 45'.
A class C is an extended cargo van with duels in the rear. A class A is a big box cargo truck frame setup loaded to the max. If you go with diesel class A now your talking freightliner air ride suspension, which is the best for ride and comfort.
You get the same drive train combinations (Cummins/Allison) in HP ratings from 350 to 600, and torque ratings 750 to 2250, in a super "C" They are built on freightliner and Spartan chasis, which are the same chasis that eighteen wheelers are built on...They also have the same air suspension ride in most, and have the increased safety of having that big engine and frame in front of you. Yet they are easy to drive as an SUV.......
Most of the super Cs that I have seen are on a Freightliner, Volvo, or International chassis. I thought Spartan only made class A chassis. My Renegade is built on an International chassis has a 600 HP Cummins ISX-15L (912 cu in) and an 18 speed Eaton Ultra-Shift plus transmission. It also has International air ride suspension on all three axels. It has a 52,500 Lb. gross vehicle weight rating and 80,000 gross combined weight rating. It is 45ft. long 8.5 ft. wide and 12.5 ft. tall.
There are options if you go to Showhauler, Haulmark, & Renegade. You choose the chasis you want and Spartan is one of the options, of course you do have to order it new.....
Some class A's, such as Newell and Foretravel, make their own chasis. Tiffin makes their own chasis for the Breeze (small class A - 28' -34'), other class A's get customized chasis made for them by Spartan and Freightliner. The only bus chasis currently in use are the Prevost and a Volvo bus chasis marketed by Prevost. Prevost is a Canadian company owned by Volvo. carch up or read up before you make statements like that.
same as you soaringtractor, I have prejudices, and I don't count Ford or Chevy chasis (even though there are diesel) as Super "C's" they don't develop the HP or torque or have the suspension systems that the Freightliner, Spartan and Volvo chasis do. That is why I didn't mention them. Just being a diesel puller does not make them Super.
I'm watching this video and I just couldn't shake the feeling that I was somehow familiar with this guy. Then it finally hit me, this is Jim Harmer. I use to listen him on the improve photography podcast. I never knew what he looked like. Good video!
One BIG advantage of a 5th wheel or trailer, is when you breakdown in the middle of no where, and this will happen way more often than you would think, and end up trying to live in a garage lot( or hotel room) for sometimes weeks at a time waiting your turn, at least you would have the motor and home separated. You can usually get the home into an RV park while waiting for repairs. Also finding a mechanic that will not rip you off, as happens way more than you think(they see an RV and assume the owner is rich...right?) in the small towns you end up in, is challenging. It is easier to find someone that will work on a truck, than an large class A RV. They are more difficult, and if you have a diesel, expect to pay way more for repairs. Finally, whichever you get, expect that this nomadic lifestyle will eventually become very stale after doing it for an average 5/7 years. I did this for about 5 years, it had it's good moments, also some incredible nightmares, I never realized, going into it, and most of the friends I made along the road back then, none are still doing it today. So take that, for what it is worth. At the very least, have an escape plan, to return to, when(not if) it no longer becomes all you thought it would be. Not trying to discourage you, I am glad I did it for a while, just trying to put the reality of what does happen, more into perspective for you.
We looked at a fifth wheel and I LOVE LOVE LOVE the floorplans but the problem for us is that we have 3 kids. If we have a fourth, we wouldn't fit in a truck.
The benefit I was talking about was when a class A or C break down, you either have to find a place that will let you live in it in their parking lot or find a hotel room to wait out the repair. For me, in the past, several times it could take more than a week, in some of these small towns to get to that repair or get the parts. You can not sleep in your car for a week or more. In a 5th wheel or trailer, usually I was always able to get it into a campground, while the truck was being repaired. I started out with a class A, but after several years of having to live through breakdowns, I took the advice of an ol' timer back then, and switched to a 5th wheel. Trying to get a truck repaired, is WAY easier(and usually less expensive) than a big class A. At least, that was my experience. Just some advise, from another, (experienced) ol' timer, now.
+K. Bayquoi . What is your take on a class C with all the problems that you've faced? I'm trying to get an RV as my home and move out of my apartment. I'm still thinking about it because of the savings I'll get. And I know if I want to choose the nomadic life, I'll have to find an online source of income. I still don't know what that would be.
The door on the drivers side, is a "fire safety" plus ! It's really a good deal if that vehicle catches fire. Front-end collision - you are right there as well. Your analogies are "right on" !
I have a 1975 Dodge Titan class a motorhome and I LOVE that thing, the one bad thing is the fact that it only gets 7 to 10 miles to the gallon, other than that and that I occasionally have to fix stuff, it's great
Thanks for the info. My folks had a Class C, which was really sweet to drive, although cramped for living space. So now thinking of getting a Class A for myself (just myself) - all because of the enclosed cab and that extra room that comes with it, AND THOSE WONDERFUL AMENITIES, too. Want to actually LIVE one day in this thing on some land I own, while also having the advantage of traveling around as I want, or to refill the tanks and dump them -- without having to 'trailer' anything around in doing so. Mea culpa.
Whatever you do, look at the RV's build, the construction, don't get blinded by all the bling and you'll get a good buy, one that won't cost both arms and a leg in maintenance/repair costs.
if that is one of the main reasons for buying a Class "A", then check the super C's,That is a "C" on a freightliner or spartan chasis, they used to be called diesel Pullers. Similar price point to class A, but you have the added safety of a big diesel engine, frame, and wheels out in front of you. You can get them as utilitarian or as luxurious as your budget can handle.
That may be true, but the additional towing power and torque which keeps you from "whiteknuckling" it coming down a Long grade is worth it to me. Plus the additional distance you can travel between fillups, and it evens out in the long run. If you are not familiar with some of the long declines in Az, Co, Id, Wa, and even Ca and Or, try just one some day in a gas coach, and feel those muscles clench. Then tell me then if it might not be worth it....
So I've heard .. but we east coast dwellers either don't have or can avoid such monstrous elevation .. my travels to those areas you speak of will probably be by other modes ..
I didn't realize you were East Coast-ers, and you do have some of the grades I spoke of, in the smokies. But everyone has to make their own choices, that was the point I was trying to make. I have items on my bucket list which include traveling in my RV to all lower 48 states, Alaska, and 4 Canadian provinces. Everytime I complete one item I add 2 more so my list will never be completed and I will live forever (or pass away happy). So far I have visited 22 states, and I still haven't seen everything there is to see in those states. Here's wishing you guys happy wanderings, and keep that tank full.......
I wish you had provided illustrations (pictures or video) to show what you are talking about. I am not well versed on RV's and would have appreciated that.
Exactly! This isn't a discussion in which a talking head works! Save that for the shows on politics. If you don't take public speaking courses, then don't expect to get rave reviews.
Engine access thoughts: In many modern "trucks" a lot of maintenance or engine repair actually require the mechanics take the cab of the truck off. You can't really do that in a Class-C. Just something to think about.
Class A will give you more room, better view, more storage, cab area become part of living area, easier to leave the cockpit, and depending on which class A you get (winnebago) you have a steel structure around you.
I have number 20 - what about not really needing to tow a car because you can get around in MOST places with your class C. On those occasions when we couldn't (Provincetown, MA), we just rented a car.
I bought a 30' Class A because it felt right. I also like being able to level it from the drivers seat. I don't like climbing into a bed at my age of 65, I usually just fall into bed (not out of it). Any kid that jumps in front of my RV had big problems before I hit them, so I don't worry about the area right in front. I do like being up high enough to see troubles way on down the road before I am involved. I asked my wife what was her main consideration in an RV and she said 'the bath room'. We rented a Class C before we bought the Class A, and when I used the bath room in the Class C, I could not pull my pants up without hitting my head on the door. The Class A has more than enough room to 'take care of business' without lumps on my head. My older model ('98) Class A was surprisingly cheap and I have done quite a bit to modernize it. The new ones are stupid expensive, and for first time buyers like me, I wanted to make sure two old folks could do this. We will be full-time in December!
I'm with you on not wanting to climb into a bed like Class Cs have! Age here, too (and disabilities) - plus it's just plain a pain to make a bed you can barely reach. For me, having that would be a total waste of space I could never justify.
Almost every class C has a bed in the rear. Many times, like in my 2005 Fleetwood Tioga 29V, there is a bed in the back in addition to the bed over the cab, which is great for kids and storage.
My 2001 Jayco Eagle has walk around queen bed, HWH Levelers, 5'x8' Bathroom area... room for 5 people. haha. Room in the shower for 2 (gotta save water, right!). It's not the class so much as the design/layout. Also have a basement for hauling tables, chairs, tools, and whatever else we need trying to keep weight in mind.
The big reasons for our choosing of a class c are: Doors for the passenger and driver is so convenient especially with are dog platform in front for our pet. The second reason is class c are generally not as high as class a and if you travel on back roads a lot it is no problem getting under some of the lower overpasses! That's all folks!
a chose a Class C for some of the reasons you mentioned. i considered all types of RVs. i travel solo, so the choice i made was just for me. no dogs, cats or females. my biggest reason for wanting a C was the over the cab sun protection, i hate the sun beating down on me while driving, i'm 90 percent protected.
I might lean more towards a trailer but the thought of constantly having to hook-up and unhook the trailer from the tow vehicle is a complete turn-off for me. Hopefully someday new simpler, faster and less stress-inducing ways of hooking-up trailers and tow vehicles will be invented.
Class C has much less storage, and smaller water/black grey tanks. Class C does not typically have heated bays and pipes freeze if you are in a cold weather area.
I saw the results of a class A rear-ending a semi that was hauling an airplane (of all things) the trailer was a low boy the motor home frame, tires, steering wheel and driver's seat was still on the road. The rest of the motor home was in the ditch. The living quarters sheered right off and the running gear looked like it could drive away. I have no idea if anyone was injured or not.
That's what the makers of Super C's are saying (the ones built on Spartan & Freightliner chasis), you have the Frame, a crash zone and all that big ol' diesel engine in front of you, much safer, if you happen to have a head on collision
Great tips. I haven't decided on the Class I want and this information was helpful. I've heard pros and cons on both. Class C I'm told, is noisy and rough riding, while the Class A is expensive when it comes to service. I'm more interested in dependability. Looking forward to your next video.
I loved my Class A! It was total fun. Took me about a week of driving and it was just about as comfortable to drive as my trucks. It's just like driving down the road in your living room. Enjoy.
Oh man, we could not disagree more. We have experience with both A-class and C-class motorhomes, and for my family the A-class is the clear winner. Here's the reality.... you have a choice between a LIGHT-DUTY VAN CHASSIS (C-class) or a MEDIUM-DUTY TRUCK CHASSIS (A-class). The light-duty chassis weight rating gets maxed out when mated with a large motorhome. The medium-duty chassis is well within it's comfort zone for this kind of load. The A-class motorhomes have higher Gross Vehicle Weight Ratings, BIGGER BRAKES, LARGER WHEELS, STRONGER FRAME. The advantage of having airbags in a C-class brings me little comfort. It's still a light-duty VAN, and you've literally added tons of weight behind it!!! How is that going to work out in a crash? If I'm going to get in an accident in a motorhome, I want the girth of medium-duty all the way. A-class are no more difficult to drive than a C-class, as they really aren't much larger. In fact, with the improved visibility, I think the A-class is a bit easier. Not to mention.... the panoramic windshield makes the drive so much more enjoyable than the feeling we get stuffed into a van front-end. That's our two cents.
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I myself am between the two, class c is sounding more convenient in many ways including maintenance in my own research. As a single man I love my space but a huge class a as much as I love their looks and size isnt practical, though if I had money to burn why not. I am leaning towards class c...some VERY nice ones around these day's with space to spare. Great video.
I want a strong chassis system and a home made open cabin interior, and privacy curtains. The head um bathroom will have a home toilet and a shower with a seat. Large supply of water onboard. Ice coolers (foot stools) for refrigeration backup. Nice lounge chairs............
Great points, you are new, so are we at 50. we are. About doors, we made sure we got an class a with a door on the driver side. We went class a. we have one child left. about front accidents. we are high for impact, You brought out many good points. We were going to get a class C. But we are going all out and living the RV. lIfe. Thank you. Still learning. Rudy.
Floor heat in class c. I don't know about newer Rvs but my older class c has excessive floor heat because the engine is so close. It can be annoying. Especially on hot days. I have heard others speak of this.
Bought a five year old 32 foot class A so saved a bunch of money. That was 14 years ago. Never had any substantial problems or significant expenses, except when we had a blow out because the tires were very worn. Love being all together in there while traveling, and as far as noise, just insulate the cab. Like everything else in life, it's just a matter of choice and personal need. We really enjoy our RV and are choosing to remodel rather than buy a class B or C.
my dad rented a rv for a trip and idk what class it is but the rv hes renting has a bed above the driver seat. Can someone tell me if its a lass A or C
that was a class C - sort of Camper style, roomy and always ready for you - they do come with a corner bed in back and also a walk around queen depending on the length of the class c rv. You can get about anything over the past 10-15 years.
This is a good video that brings up some good points, but I digress... Our brand new 2017 class A sleeps 6 without a bed over the driver & gets 9~11 miles per gallon while towing our Jeep depending on terrain. It has a 55 degree turning radius & there is no engine up front to worry about in a crash, but even if there was we would be sitting above it not directly behind it like in a class C. All class A motorhomes have a minimum of 2 exits by law/regulation, one being the emergency fire exit. Getting repairs? It's a Freightliner chassis, Cummings engine, Allison transmission & Freightliner service/repair centers are everywhere. Likewise, the gas class A is most likely a Ford V10 & Ford shops are also everywhere, and if you're broke down in the boonies CoachNet will get you to the repair shop.
Good points and nice try, but I doubt if you are going to change anyone's mind, who is already set on a certain class of RV, They will argue the points ad nauseum, and in many cases have only had experience with the RV they currently own. So they have no point of reference. Talking to others who have experience with different types of RV's won't help them because it is not their experience.....
Agree. We have no difficulty with the doghouse or using the door. It's not like there's a long line of people trying yo get in and out the door at the same time, and if you can't step on doghouse, you may not want to crawl up into the cab bed on some class C.
My dad wanted a class C motorhome but we are truck drivers when we drove one it was like sitting in a hole with lots of blind spots where a Class A you sit up high better visibility so he bought a class a nd he loves it fuel milage is the same unless you get a diesel😊
Well I haven't owned an RV yet but I want to. I love the air streams, the big ones at 45 ft. Shiny polished aluminum. Getting back to your video now. Nothing beats a Class A Diesel Pusher. They Run Forever they are built strong and they ride smooth. They have slide outs to make it like your home. Big bathrooms big bedrooms. Class C to me that's just a camper on Wheels tight bathrooms not much room in the bedroom area. If I could afford it I'd go out and buy me a million-dollar motor coach from Marathon coaches. Happy travels everyone and be safe.
The class A is going to much more comfortable, and will usually ride much better than a C, also they usually have bigger gas tanks. I love my 34ft gas engine class A, it has a 100 gallon gas tank, gets 10 miles per gallon a an average speed of 65, and it's super comfortable.
And a lot more storage, i live I a Gulf Stream Hi Rise, it has a huge basement under it. 36 ft gasser. I get 9-10 mpg and across Kansas I can get up to 12 since it's flat.
I had a Truck Camper that went up in Ashes BUT i was Lucky enough to NOT be in it when it caught Fire. The Solar Panel Mickey Mouse Installation used a Cable too Small & NOT Strong
THis is a good video and some really good points. One thing though, I traveled a lot and I didn't see any more RVs broke down vs other vehicles. the most common ones would be cars there ar e so many more of them on the road. Buses I don't see really see too many but see a lot more semis broke down they are the most common on the interstates. I have seen two motorhomes broke down in the last 5 years WAY less than semis and I travel on the snow bird routes I-44 I75 ETC. the best way to NOT break down is to LEARN how to properly maintain your motorhome. I have a class A dodge AVCO all steel tubing and fiberglass body on an international frame under the Dodge name with the 440. I am taking it over Monday to get it all rewired and all checked out. If you do that you will not be stranded anymore than driving any other vehicle. I have seen two buses broke down on the highway one was due to low water it had a safety to shut down the engine and the other was an air brake problem. I have buses a Van Hool an old Greyhound and a GMC RTS . I was stranded on the highway in Wyo. couldn't build up air past 60 a new air compressor was the fix. SO my whole point is. Don't scare people with the (RVs break down all the time) that is simply NOT true.. anything can break down not just RVs. Semis as I said are the most common.
for Accessing engine for maintenance I always thought the class c was better, but after i got mine i realized how cramped the engine is and looking at a class A you have access from inside and under it is wide open, i don't know but I'm sure it's easer to replace the spark plug in a class A than in a class C or B.
THIS GUY GIVES ME VIBES THAT TELL ME I COULD NEVER RELATE TO HIM AND HIS BACKGROUND, AND THAT I WOULD NEVER WANT TO EITHER. I NEVER WOULD HAVE GOTTEN AWAY WITH THE WAY HE ACTS WHERE I COME FROM, THAT'S FOR SURE.
I have only been RVing 13 years and spent the first 9 in a class C while towing a car . That was my "learner' M/H and it taught me a whole bunch about what I thought I wanted and needed . Our second M/H is a class B and have been very happy . It is only 19' and fits in a normal parking spot . The ride and handling is far better and I do not have to drag a car along . Normally it is just Granma and Grandpa and often one Grandchild . Our old class C got between 7-9 MPG with a 35 gallon tank and our newer class B gets between 14 - 17 MPG with a 35 gallon tank . Used to be I started looking for a gas station around 120-140 miles , now 350-400 miles . I have never had the desire to own and or drive a class A . Some are made well , but the entry fee for a well built one is just too far out of our financial plan . People always tell me "you should have bought a new class C instead of a class B " . We have an older Roadtrek and could not be happier . Of corse it depends on how many people you need to haul and or sleep and what you wish to do with your RV . I think class B are about as safe a rig as you can get , as long as manufacturer starts with a passenger van . Older class C need to be checked out if buying used , water leaks are a very common problem . I used to be a fireman and you would not believe how most class C and many class A literally fly apart in even a fairly mild collision . The cabinets often break lose and try to exit through the windshield on a moderate front end impact . Many class A that sell from about $300,000 and up are built much better than the "starter" class A's .
Do they even make a class C that is 50amp power with two ac units , one ac unit in them class C's just isn't enough to keep you cool it's to hot in them ..
@@henryzabel1746 I hear you how in the world did you stay cool in that thing I've looked at about 3 class Cs and I was burning up just being inside them for about 30 minutes . Thats crazy they don't make dual airs on these it's a shame
Excellent Video.... JIM !!! I just started looking and decided I wanted a Class C.. Right before I saw ur video; I started looking at the "supersized" Super Class C... lol.. a Class C is a "C".. Super A's next I guess? I Did not think about the safety factor to that depth or the mechanical breakdown factor (repair shops) as you did.. there more things you mentioned, but I need to take notes next time I listen to it.. Thank you.. great.
Most of the below comments missed the point. I owned a class A diesel pusher and a gas puller. Here is the real reason why a class A will never be as trouble free as a B or C. In the B and C, the entire cab with all of the dash, air conditioner, instruments , etc are assembled in an assembly line with qualified personnel, who have QA/QC requirements. Schematics are available of the completed assembly. In the class A, the assembler, receives the truck frame which includes the engine and NOTHING else. He then has to make a dash assembly, build an air conditioner vent system with doors for air flow control, wire all of the instruments, connect all vacuum lines, all hydraulic lines and pneumatic lines. Quess what? It is seldom done correctly. The common problems which can and do occur are all of the above. Usually there are no schematics because all models are seldom assembled the same. After 26 years of RV travel all over the USA, from my view, the only way to go is: Class B or C, or travel trailer or Fifth wheel with a proper tow vehicle. Simplicity! I am now on my fifth travel trailer. The evolution was as follows: small trailer, no slide, larger trailer, no slide, larger trailer, one slide. Still larger trailer, two slides. No problems with the different tow vehicles. No problems with any travel trailer because of their simplicity. Those are my thoughts and experiences. Happy RVing!
Yup most class B and class C are simply commercial vehicle platforms, that alone implies more reliability, plus any mechanic can work on them if needed.
I work for a major diesel engine maker in a shop. One thing I've learned since I started in this business is that Class A's are a waste of money. Travel Trailers and Pickup campers are the way to go- totally agree. High horsepower diesel engines are expensive to fix and maintain (like those found in class A's). If you have a 1 ton pickup, you can do more things with that vehicle- that class A will just sit around until you want to take it out.
Class C is usually a cut away van. Either Chevy or Ford. There's not many pickup trucks that have the cab attracted to the RV body. It would be better to have 4WD in case you wanna camp out in the desert.
My 85 34 ft class a pace arrow has passenger and driver doors and the pull down bed over the driver plus huge real metal bumpers it is a tank. lol. 454 chevy 7 to 8 mpg.
Class A vs Class C in an accident is comparing an extended 1 Ton Van on a 1 ton van frame to a Mack or International truck. Class A uses bus frames and weight a lot more. Crosswinds have less effect on a Class A due to the weight difference. There is a great video from the NTSB that shows a typical midsize car with a 3 or 4 star safety rating vs a 5 star rated smartcar. Any guess which vehicle protected the passengers better? Give me an extra 2 to 5 tons any day in place of the airbag. Common sense and basic physics.
I agree with some of those arguments/observations, but the biggest (both ways) is basically the deal you can get. I cannot afford a new anything. We bought our class A (an "older" class A) because it was in really good shape, what we wanted, and I thought we got a great deal on it.
We have owned every type of camping RV except a pop-up and frankly my favorite is still our 5th Wheel. Our motorhomes were okay but they lacked the storage and roominess found in out 5th wheel. Pulling the 5th wheel was easy too. We are between RVs, and my husband and I both agree we would go back to a 5th wheel for full timing or long excursions.
I drove a 34 ft Class C all over Alaska with no issues. Then I had to move from Fairbanks, AK to Panama City, Fl. ok....wow. So I have a 22 ft trailer attached to this 34 ft Rv. Have to drive a few thousand miles. 5 adults, two children, one newborn, two cats and a dog. Sound interesting yet? So getting out of AK not so much of a problem but then we run into an about a 100 mile stretch of the Yukon where the roads are tore up for repaying (I guess) .....took 8 plus hrs to go that 100 miles! Seriously stunk! After that not to much of an issue. Except where I pulled off the side to sleep cause I had been driving for like 22 hrs straight. Pitch black night. I get pulled ober, sleep for a couple hrs. Open the side door to let my dog out to do his thing........OMG! About a thousand ft drop not eight inches away! Grabbed him and drove to a safer spot. If I had moved over a couple inches we would have been reported in a newspaper as those folks who went over the cliff and died a horrible death! Once we were in the US things got better. Still a mighty task to drive for 11 days to get from AK to FL. But the Class C served us well.
Mr51cav3man You are lucky to be here, the only mistake you made was driving for 22 hrs straight. Professional drivers don't even attempt that. Sleep deprivation could have killed you and your family, but I guess you realize that. I've seen videos of ppl who make coast to coast trips in a RV in 6 days. What is the point you don't get to see much, and you sure can't really enjoy what you do see, because you're always in a hurry. For me that is not what RV'ing is about. For me RV'ing is about taking your time, if you see something that peaks your interest along the way, stop and check it out, so what if it takes you 30 miles out of the way. RV'ing is more about the trip, and less about getting there.......
Rory Roberts I agree with what you said. We were PCS'ING meaning going from one military base to another. We had limited time and for numerous reasons nobody else could drive. Mostly because my in laws were/are crazy. We did stop in South Dakota for Mt. Rushmore and gain in Tennessee for Graceland. But I only had 14 days to go from my base in AK to the one in FL.
I have owned 3 class A's and a class B and I wouldn't have anything but a Class A. My Winnebago Sunstar 35 F sleeps 8, has a bath and a 1/2, lots of internal and external storage, larger headroom throughout. But.....everyone has to choose what works for them
I agree.... and for us it is the Class C. Had one before with less storage than the one we are currently looking at (both 24'). Prefer driving the C, as am use to driving a truck with our 26' travel trailer. No more trailers. Grown kids no longer traveling with us. Just our two pups!
Class A's have coach edges... so they are rounded thats far more aerodynamic than a class c in a cross wind... at least the ones i was looking at but i really didn't ketch anything else i personally dont agree with other than the radiator (on my GS) being right in the way of everything my class A is really accible... but im not sure if everyone can just move there matress and climb on top the big guy... or pull the radiator and just walk up to it... GREAT VIDEO. Really enjoyed THANKS
I have a Class A and we went to an RV show the other day. We looked at several RV's and I will never buy a Class C. Just sitting in the fronts seats will make you change your mind. The "gigantic front window" of the Class A make you feel like you're part of the scenery you're driving through. The Class C makes you feel like your in a cocoon and visibility is horrible. Visibility in a Class A beats a C hands down.What the heck does weight have to do with picking an A or a C? Oh yeah, the cargo capacity of an A and the weight it can carry is so much higher then almost all Class C's. "RV's break down all the time"? Yeah, ok, time to come back to earth and quit make outrageous statements.
Great info - However we needed a toy hauler and only option for those is SuperC. We liked the Class A Toy Hauler options better mainly Cost and Maneuverability
Cyclone vertical: Freightliner and Spartan chasis are used to build class A MH's. These are diesel pushers and if you stay away from the large corporate manufacturers and go with a family or individually owned Brand, you will usually get a better built unit. The corporate entities are building and pushing them out the door as fast as possible thousands a year. I read an article that stated that only 40% of the rigs built are inspected before they leave the factory. The smaller companies make better builds, take more time in doing so. That is why if you order one you may have to wait 6 - 8 months before it is delivered. Better to wait, up front, then have to wait while paying for it, while it sits on a dealer lot waiting for repairs. I have had two class A's, (2007 & 2015), both are Newmar Mountain Aires. I have never had to make any major repairs to either. I made a few upgrades as the years went by on my 2007, and I had to have some damage I caused by backing up, under a low hanging tree branch. That was it, besides standard maintenace in the 8 years ihad the 1st one. No repairs on my 2015 either and I am well into the second year (15,000 miles). I'm a full timer and travel quite a bit. Whatever class you choose, choose a diesel engine, more dependable, less to go wrong, more power, more performance, maintenance may cost more but the maintenance periods are extended. So the costs even out in the long run.
Super C's are what they are called, and you can get Peterbuilt, and International chasis in a super C. The industry calls the Ford and Chevy diesel powered chasis Super C's, but I don't agree, they don't have the Torque or power of the other chasis mentioned here.
This is the first time I view your channel. Pretty good info. Congratulations on the purchase of your Class A . God Bless. Happy travels. Btw I just subscribed
My first coach was a class C back in 2004. I am on my second class A. Loved all three of my coaches. You get what fits your needs. This guy clearly does not know what he is talking about. When you are exploring the world you want a nice big windshield for a perfect viewing. Also, what is he talking about kids running out in front of the RV and not seeing them. I personally have not heard of a RV running people over. This guy is just looking for things to say just to extend his video. Again, get what you like and fits your needs. This guy has no clue.
Trying to decide on a Class A or C , I think the Class A's front windshield view is awesome , more livable comfortable living space once parked , belly storage , diesel for power and better engine and tranny cooling , can tow 5000 lbs . Class C with V10 , easier to park , would be like a sports car of RV's to get around in , but beyond that , I cant think of anymore advantages . Pulling a trailer would be slow and have to watch engine and tranny temps always , and in summer watch out . Poor fuel mileage. . The diesel does everything better than a gas Class C. What do you think ?
My first coach was a Winnebago class C 31ft. gas. Had it for 10 years and loved it. My wife and I decided to go bigger and purchased a Holiday Rambler class A gas. Nice coach but we then got a boat weighing 5600 lbs. I wanted more power so ended up getting a 40ft. Winnebago Diesel Pusher. So this is what I learned; Gas More engine noise and heat in the cockpit. Less power then the diesel however, maintenance is cheaper. It will cost more to repair a diesel when needed. Depending on weight and speed you will need more distance to stop a gas coach. Driving downhill you have to be careful with how you brake. Improper braking will heat your brakes. Activating tow mode helps but not the same as exhaust brake. The diesel pusher has power and is quiet because all the noise is 40 feet behind us. No engine heat in the cockpit, air brakes is a must in my opinion when dealing with weight. I love it when I don't have to touch my brakes to slow me down because the exhaust brake does it for me. No heating the brakes, which means you save your brakes. Smoother ride and stability is awesome. My diesel pusher just feels and drives better then my gas coach, even in strong winds. I also like the Cummins engine. Diesel engines operate with a combustion process that's leaner, burning less fuel than gas engines. The engine has sturdier blocks and cylinder heads, valves, crankshaft, and pistons, which is necessary to dissipate the higher engine temperatures and higher compression ratios attained in a diesel engine. The diesel achieves higher torque at much lower speed, so it's operating at lower rpm. The diesel pusher is a more suitable choice for heavy towing as long as you don't exceed manufacturer towing capacity. Like I mentioned earlier, diesel is more $$ but made to last. There are many beautiful gas coaches out there so get what fits your needs. I love looking at all the coaches out there no matter who the manufacturer is. It's like a hobby to me. In my opinion diesel pusher is the way to go, especially if you are getting something over 36 feet and towing anything over 3,000lbs.
I agree with most of what you have said, however, the real delimma is between a class A and a super C. Super C's usually pull more weight, will handle as well or better than most class a's, safer in a frontal collision, and priced in line with nicer class a diesel pushers. They also will handle more wieght than most class a's which may have space but not a lot of extra carrying capacity and in fact travel down the road usually overloaded..so let's add overall safety for the class c.
Super "'C's" are their own class. They are all diesels, have jacks for auto leveling, more powerful generators, have options for solar panelsand most have residential sized refrigerators, just to mention a few differences. Some are actually Class A's, because of the uni-body construction..... but because of their shape people still call them C's...
you need to do more research, I've been in the bus business a long time and own a class A. You really need to break class A's into diesel pusher and front engine. They are both class A but very different. Class A's stand ups to front collisions very well. Get a mechanics opinion on A vs C
Here is my tip... Learn to do your own RV maintenance and use a good car maintenance management program ( I use Automotive Wolf car care software ) to track and monitor it all. It also tracks all my parts, expenses and creates a detailed vehicle maintenance log. After RV'ing for over 10 years I've saved thousands by doing most of the maintenance myself and there is a lot of it on an RV! A small roof leak can cost you thousands in repairs so I check my roof at least twice a year. Keep on top of the maintenance and you'll save money and be RV'ing for years :)
Great advice!! Thank you for the tips
I really liked this video. We are in a 21 Ft travel trailer now, and just this week decided to start looking at motor homes. You gave me some things to think about. Please completely disregard the rude comments below. You were up front about everything, admitted you were also new to this, and I just love your personality! Keep it up!
My Aunt and Uncle bought a Class A and a tow vehicle. Mom and Dad bought a 4 wheel drive van and a Beach House. The Class A was always forced to stay in large RV parks where everyone is parked side by side. The Van could go anywhere. It could go to smaller campgrounds with shower houses and bathrooms. It could go into the wilderness with a collapsible shower/toilet house. It could also go to a nice hotel with the money saved on fuel alone. And in the end, it could park in front of a Beach House that appreciated several hundred thousand dollars, while the Class A depreciated several hundred thousand.
Spurious effect: Great, public bathouse, also seaching for a pay laundromat. Why do all that when everything you need is with you, a clean shower large enough for anyone. your own washer/dryer, large capacity holding tanks, and enough power reserves if you want to boondock. We could argue points all day long, it is still up to each individual/couple to decide which floorplan, class and price point works for them.. The idea that this works for me, so it is best for you is really archaic and presumptuous.
Whatever works for you. Wasting assets, and by that I mean assets which do not appreciate, may not bother you in the slightest, but most people need to consider that.
You minimalists and your militant attitude will do nothing but turn people off to your movement, which is something I can appreciate. But you constantly whine about wasted assets and won't even listen to or accept anyone else's view. My class A get's 10 - 12 mpg which is more then the 6 -8 that most V10's class C's get. Do some research before you try to force your opinion on someone or excuse me browbeat someone into accepting your opinion as fact........
You are reading things into my comments that just aren't there. I even said "whatever works for you". I think you are just having a bad day. I hope you have a great day tomorrow. Enjoy your travels.
I read back through my comments again, and I believe I see where we got off track. I believe you considered the term "wasting asset" to be something negative. Cars, television sets, refrigerators, anything that loses value over time is a wasting asset, but that doesn't mean we should never own those things. You should enjoy your class A. You worked hard for that.
"I'm buying what I'm telling you not to buy"
Weird telling us to buy class C when buying class A…. Wonder if he voted for Biden?
@@jesseopdahl8258 I bet you're fun at parties. You could probably find a way to say that the host of the party votes a certain way because they served onion dip instead of cheese dip.
@@cubey Why are people fun or not fun at parties because they have a differing opinion? And why does everyone need to be the fun person at a party?
@@jesseopdahl8258. Typical MAGA Nation minions: toxic, condescending, vindictive & insufferable bigots. I digress.
I still stick with class A. Thank you very much 😊..
@@jesseopdahl8258Typical MAGA. Class A, all the way.
Everybody is a critic, I'm on my second class A and I love it I would not switch to a class C. As far as the impact leave a lot of room between you and the car confront of you, drive it slower and safer and it is not a issue. To each is own
This is a great video! I watched it last year before we bought our 32 foot class C. The cheaper cost of repairs is a BIG reason for getting a Class C. Yeah, that van front end sticking out of the front of your motorhome isn't sexy, but when we had an F0 tornado hit our RV storage lot and we lost a passenger window. We did not have to go to an expensive RV repair place ($150.00 an hour...ouch). We just called up Satellite auto glass and because the repair was less than our deductible we just paid out of pocket!
Do they make a class C that is 50amp with two ac units. One ac unit just isn't enough I've went and looked at about 3 class C now and I burnt up in them the whole time !
Class cs are just more pickup like in the the operation, maintenance and driving than the class a. The thing I like better about motorhomes than towables is we feel like the vacation starts when we load up to leave and everyone is already enjoying the rv already , the bathroom, fridge, sink, couch, beds etc. The towables you have to wait til you are stopped or set up to start using them.
This is the main reason why i did not go back to the towables
I agree. The vacation really does begin once you hit the road. I also like that when we are taking off early in the morning are kids can just crawl into the bed and sleep as we begin our trip.
Also, driving the Class C feels just like I am driving my Honda Ridgeline!
@@06ridgelineowner34 will the hangover above cab block some front view on the road? Can people sleep in bed when driving? Thanks
@@David-im1fp No, the overhang does not block the view of the road...it actually works like a sun visor (unless the sun is right in front of you).
In addition, you are not supposed to have people sleep in the cab over while you drive ..but is it possible to have the kiddos stay in bed while you drive? Yes.
Add this: I just purchased a Class C after having owned a Class A. I found that the C was easier to keep centered in the road than with the A. It might have had something to do with the fact that driving a Class C was like driving a car, and for some reason, my eyes found it far more difficult to keep the Class A centered.....might have had something to do with depth perception differences. In any case, the Class C was a breeze to keep the vehicle in the center of the road.
i realize I am pretty off topic but does anyone know a good place to watch new tv shows online?
@Finley Eugene meh I use flixportal. just search on google for it :D -marcelo
@Marcelo Bishop Thank you, I went there and it seems like they got a lot of movies there =) I appreciate it!
@Finley Eugene glad I could help :)
I do not recommend buying one, I am buying one.......
Yeah, i can totally understand this mentality NOT... "lit me list all the bad things with this, is sooooo bad, soo i'm buying one !!!!!!!!"
Dumbass
When did he say I do not recommend buying a Class A? He is only listing reasons he found in his research why some people might not want to. I'm still trying to figure out what class I want and this was helpful to me but your comment was not.
Sigh. You can't figure it out? He's giving the advantages of Class C over A, but he even said he has another video that goes over advantages of Class A over C. What you should get depends entirely on your needs, which varies from person to person.
@@clintskywood4466 this was helpful for me as well. Because I am also trying to decide
We have a 35-foot class A and we are planning to trade it for a Travel Trailer. Why? Too noisy inside at highway speeds. The V-10 engine sits right between the front seats and lots of noise penetrates the engine cover. Almost impossible to hold a conversation. A pusher Class A would not hve this problem but they cost a fortune. It's like driving a HOUSE. Yes it is hard to cool the coach with the chassis AC. Good if it has a real door to close off the back half. A wreck can be real bad because stuff from all the cabinets can pummell you. Often need to tow a car so you can see sights near your campground. So anyway we are switching to a SUV pulling a travel trailer.
Eh, I got quite a few years experience on this fine young lad. I started out in 1 man pup tent, then the 8 person stand up tent, (I still own a tent that attaches to the back of an SUV even though I've only used it once in 8 years) then on to pop ups, then to travel trailers, then Class C and finally Class A's. EVERY step was a step up for a plethora of reasons. I even started out dead set against slide outs and now I have 3. :) I have a motorcycle / scooter carrier for non towing trips and I have 2 different trailers depending on if it's a motorcycle, car, or motorcycle - golf cart trip. But, once again, it's every man for himself and whatever suits you. I know I am never planning on "un-climbing" this ladder.
class a windshield/view is priceless. 8hrs riding in my living room versus a van? no brainer.
Ed Breyette my sentiments exactly!!! Mpg is barely different
What's it cost to replace that windshield?
It must get hit a lot.
The biggest thing I don't like about class-A's is the 1 in and out entrance, no driver's side door.
RedRider1600 my class A has a driver side door
@@J1978watt Really? Who makes it?
RedRider1600 it’s a 2000 fleetwood pace arrow
I have a class A and I love the room and the space and I bought the Gasoline 8.1 Workhorse model. So far its been great. I have learned a lot about RVs and I do my own Generator maintenance. So far best experience I have ever had. Although I have suggested to others buying Motorhomes to look into the Class C with the pop outs. It seems that the class C can be parked just about anywhere. Parking my Class A it takes some skill levels and you will always be looking for room to fit between those tight spaces.
I have been a FT for 2 yrs now, I have a Newmar Mountain Aire DP 42'. I have a toad, what I don't understand is why anyone would put themselves in a situation where they have to fit a class A MH (30' +) into a tight parking spot. my MH is docked and I take my toad wherever I want to go (shopping, restaurant, or just discovering the new territory). I have had no accidents, no body damage and I drive back to a docked MH and relax or sleep until it is time to hit the road. Ppl make it so hard on themselves........
Rory Roberts Hey maybe I should know this but what is, a toad? Is that code for, a towable car?
Saving Aidan Actually you are right a toad is what we called a towed vehicle. I nicknamed my toad Kermit. LOL
toad is a towed behind vehicle to get around after parking the home
I just bought a class A. I just upgraded from a travel trailer (nomad skyline.) I have lived in the last one for almost two years. Great living for stashing money. This video seems to be more for the seasonal vacationer vs those who are living full time in their RV. Buying used is the route I went and not a bad way to go. Maintenance is always key to expanding the life of your rv.
Hey, thanks for your research and comments. Some people don't think about these points when buying and that when driving some class A RV the driver sits in front or over the steering wheels.
This is a valuable discussion. I'm convinced that a commercial duty truck chassis (medium duty) is the best foundation for a class C. Custom building your own floor plan with quality appliances and finishes is just unbeatable. Then you still have the towing capacity.
For those who are complaining that he loses credibility when he is planning to buy a class A; he made it pretty clear up front, and at the end, tjat recognises there are good reasons to choose the class A as well. As I am in the beginning stages of deciding on an RV design for retirement, I find videos like this quite helpful. I watch a lot of them, what he has to say is generally pretty consistent with what others have said.
Simply look for Quality. It's out there My Friend. Been RV-ING for about 50 years. 6 years ago We made a Great Deal on a seldom used Class A Motor home. Google up TREX Motor Homes. We don't have a Bedroom that saves Us 8 to 10 feet of length. We're 28' long rather than 38. Easier to Park and Drive. Depending on Highway driving or City Driving Our Honest Millage is as low as 7.5 Mpg and up to 10 Mpg on the Highway. Mind Ya We have Big Mountains to deal with here in Alaska. like to help Ya out if Questions should arise. Be Well. P.S. Our Bed comes down from the Ceiling.
Ditto that Michael!
@@donmcneil4679 eeewww
With a diesel pusher, you can usually find a semi-truck repair shop that can handle the repair as the engines are often the same! As for getting ripped off it always helps to do your research and know your vehicle. Calling the manufacturer can also help in a lot of the cases!
1st time RV buyer...Bought a New 2015 Thor Class C 31W at the Tampa RV Super Show.... Had a few minor issues Thor took care of everthing with no problems. Good Quality & Price Point. We have had it now 20 months. We Love it & at some point will buy another Thor Class A 37ft....Retired in Florida
We are truck camper people and if we were to do it again, we would seriously look at expedition box on a F550 4x4. You are right Class C is such a better choice if you travel a lot moving all the time and fuel savings will now become very significant. Christian
Very good points. I am new to RV's too. Looked at them my whole life though because they have always been a dream of mine. I love the way you did your research. I was told the same about the Class C but have been finding problems with the Class C workmanship. A, if you have a pusher, they don't need to go into your RV.
After owning and living for 2 years in a 36ft 2002 new 5th wheel, plus a huge trailer and later a 2006 class C.. and now a 33ft 2018 class A diesel pusher and so far its easy to drive and we like it just fine, pulling a 2019 Jeep Wrangler.
No airbags in a Class A?! I had no idea! WOW! Thanks for the review! I am thinking of buying the Ford Transit Coachmen Orion 21RS. Small RV with tons of features. Congrats of your RV purchase.
I am not Neil , overall I think my RV has payer for it self many times as I purchased it for $500.00 , if I was in a hotel instead that money would be spent in a few days in comparison with nothing owned at the end .and it has given me a peace of mind having shelter when I have little money . I love it ,. Having it for storage is great too as I would rather store my stuff that way because you have the option of a kitchen and when ya move you do not need to rent a truck and ya can't beat the privacy . happy trails.
Very interesting points to consider for sure. I have a Class B XL right now converted into a little mobile salon business. I want to upgrade to something bigger next year...I am going to look at an RV with toy hauler back...so I have a comfortable place to rest and spend the night....and a permanent spot to set up my business in the bay area....separate door entrance for clients....I did want a Class A, originally, but you have definitely mentioned things I didn't even consider before. Thanks so much. XO
after reading all the comments, I stand by my statement, that each individual has different needs and wants. Everyone has to make up their own mind as to which class and make and model bests suits the functionality they need, amenities they want, and fits within their budget..... so once again these videos may give you some insight, but you still have to do your own research and make your own decision...
Rory Roberts AMEN!! We have done research for ours and practice living in them before we went full time. Class A 2016 Fleetwood Bounder has and still works very well for us. Of course we budget everything and we fix our own repairs which is why we are saving a lot of money on it lol.
Exactly! He even said that he has another video the goes over the advantages of Class A over C. There is no better type. It depends on what you want. Personally I'd never want to drive around in a monster Class A. Maybe a very small Class A. I prefer a Class C. And the 5th wheel is not an option because it's illegal to have people and pets in it while driving. I don't have the heart to force my pets to sit in a back seat all day when I could get a Class C or A.
I agree. Price always seems to be the deciding factor. At 500,000 - 3 million, class A coaches are big, big money. I'll still take a class A. My favorite is the Newmar London Aire.
@@pmlonline Paul what do you consider a monster? Class A's come in sizes from 32' to 45', there are "short buses, that are 32' to 35' in length, and not as tall as the big boys. If you don't like class A's that's fine. But just in case you didn't know Powerhouse is a co in UT that makes class C's (Super C's) in lengths up to 52' You can go to www.powerhousecoach.com and check them out. And please stop using phrases like "big ol" and "monster" because you are misleading others. Even 5th wheels come in 60' lengths and class A's are limited to 45'.
I was not aware that a classA did not have air bags. The repair advantage on a Class C is big. Thanks for your comments.
A class C is an extended cargo van with duels in the rear. A class A is a big box cargo truck frame setup loaded to the max. If you go with diesel class A now your talking freightliner air ride suspension, which is the best for ride and comfort.
You get the same drive train combinations (Cummins/Allison) in HP ratings from 350 to 600, and torque ratings 750 to 2250, in a super "C" They are built on freightliner and Spartan chasis, which are the same chasis that eighteen wheelers are built on...They also have the same air suspension ride in most, and have the increased safety of having that big engine and frame in front of you. Yet they are easy to drive as an SUV.......
Most of the super Cs that I have seen are on a Freightliner, Volvo, or International chassis. I thought Spartan only made class A chassis. My Renegade is built on an International chassis has a 600 HP Cummins ISX-15L (912 cu in) and an 18 speed Eaton Ultra-Shift plus transmission. It also has International air ride suspension on all three axels. It has a 52,500 Lb. gross vehicle weight rating and 80,000 gross combined weight rating. It is 45ft. long 8.5 ft. wide and 12.5 ft. tall.
There are options if you go to Showhauler, Haulmark, & Renegade. You choose the chasis you want and Spartan is one of the options, of course you do have to order it new.....
Some class A's, such as Newell and Foretravel, make their own chasis. Tiffin makes their own chasis for the Breeze (small class A - 28' -34'), other class A's get customized chasis made for them by Spartan and Freightliner. The only bus chasis currently in use are the Prevost and a Volvo bus chasis marketed by Prevost. Prevost is a Canadian company owned by Volvo. carch up or read up before you make statements like that.
same as you soaringtractor, I have prejudices, and I don't count Ford or Chevy chasis (even though there are diesel) as Super "C's" they don't develop the HP or torque or have the suspension systems that the Freightliner, Spartan and Volvo chasis do. That is why I didn't mention them. Just being a diesel puller does not make them Super.
I'm watching this video and I just couldn't shake the feeling that I was somehow familiar with this guy. Then it finally hit me, this is Jim Harmer. I use to listen him on the improve photography podcast. I never knew what he looked like. Good video!
One BIG advantage of a 5th wheel or trailer, is when you breakdown in the middle of no where, and this will happen way more often than you would think, and end up trying to live in a garage lot( or hotel room) for sometimes weeks at a time waiting your turn, at least you would have the motor and home separated. You can usually get the home into an RV park while waiting for repairs. Also finding a mechanic that will not rip you off, as happens way more than you think(they see an RV and assume the owner is rich...right?) in the small towns you end up in, is challenging. It is easier to find someone that will work on a truck, than an large class A RV. They are more difficult, and if you have a diesel, expect to pay way more for repairs. Finally, whichever you get, expect that this nomadic lifestyle will eventually become very stale after doing it for an average 5/7 years. I did this for about 5 years, it had it's good moments, also some incredible nightmares, I never realized, going into it, and most of the friends I made along the road back then, none are still doing it today. So take that, for what it is worth. At the very least, have an escape plan, to return to, when(not if) it no longer becomes all you thought it would be. Not trying to discourage you, I am glad I did it for a while, just trying to put the reality of what does happen, more into perspective for you.
We looked at a fifth wheel and I LOVE LOVE LOVE the floorplans but the problem for us is that we have 3 kids. If we have a fourth, we wouldn't fit in a truck.
good post.
You have the same benefit with a toad vehicle behind ab RV.
The benefit I was talking about was when a class A or C break down, you either have to find a place that will let you live in it in their parking lot or find a hotel room to wait out the repair. For me, in the past, several times it could take more than a week, in some of these small towns to get to that repair or get the parts. You can not sleep in your car for a week or more. In a 5th wheel or trailer, usually I was always able to get it into a campground, while the truck was being repaired. I started out with a class A, but after several years of having to live through breakdowns, I took the advice of an ol' timer back then, and switched to a 5th wheel. Trying to get a truck repaired, is WAY easier(and usually less expensive) than a big class A. At least, that was my experience. Just some advise, from another, (experienced) ol' timer, now.
+K. Bayquoi . What is your take on a class C with all the problems that you've faced? I'm trying to get an RV as my home and move out of my apartment. I'm still thinking about it because of the savings I'll get.
And I know if I want to choose the nomadic life, I'll have to find an online source of income. I still don't know what that would be.
I have a class c on the Sprinter chassis. it's 25ft. with 2 slideouts. We love it! It''s diesel and gets 16-18mpg. Pulls a car with no problem.
The door on the drivers side, is a "fire safety" plus ! It's really a good deal if that vehicle catches fire. Front-end collision - you are right there as well. Your analogies are "right on" !
I have a 1975 Dodge Titan class a motorhome and I LOVE that thing, the one bad thing is the fact that it only gets 7 to 10 miles to the gallon, other than that and that I occasionally have to fix stuff, it's great
Thanks for the info. My folks had a Class C, which was really sweet to drive, although cramped for living space. So now thinking of getting a Class A for myself (just myself) - all because of the enclosed cab and that extra room that comes with it, AND THOSE WONDERFUL AMENITIES, too. Want to actually LIVE one day in this thing on some land I own, while also having the advantage of traveling around as I want, or to refill the tanks and dump them -- without having to 'trailer' anything around in doing so. Mea culpa.
Whatever you do, look at the RV's build, the construction, don't get blinded by all the bling and you'll get a good buy, one that won't cost both arms and a leg in maintenance/repair costs.
Good points! But, you forgot to mention one: Class As allow for more cargo space and weight.
if that is one of the main reasons for buying a Class "A", then check the super C's,That is a "C" on a freightliner or spartan chasis, they used to be called diesel Pullers. Similar price point to class A, but you have the added safety of a big diesel engine, frame, and wheels out in front of you. You can get them as utilitarian or as luxurious as your budget can handle.
Yes, you're right, Rory ... but fueling that baby would be expensive! GVWR of 22-26k is good enough for me ;)
That may be true, but the additional towing power and torque which keeps you from "whiteknuckling" it coming down a Long grade is worth it to me. Plus the additional distance you can travel between fillups, and it evens out in the long run. If you are not familiar with some of the long declines in Az, Co, Id, Wa, and even Ca and Or, try just one some day in a gas coach, and feel those muscles clench. Then tell me then if it might not be worth it....
So I've heard .. but we east coast dwellers either don't have or can avoid such monstrous elevation .. my travels to those areas you speak of will probably be by other modes ..
I didn't realize you were East Coast-ers, and you do have some of the grades I spoke of, in the smokies. But everyone has to make their own choices, that was the point I was trying to make. I have items on my bucket list which include traveling in my RV to all lower 48 states, Alaska, and 4 Canadian provinces. Everytime I complete one item I add 2 more so my list will never be completed and I will live forever (or pass away happy). So far I have visited 22 states, and I still haven't seen everything there is to see in those states. Here's wishing you guys happy wanderings, and keep that tank full.......
I wish you had provided illustrations (pictures or video) to show what you are talking about. I am not well versed on RV's and would have appreciated that.
Exactly! This isn't a discussion in which a talking head works! Save that for the shows on politics. If you don't take public speaking courses, then don't expect to get rave reviews.
Engine access thoughts: In many modern "trucks" a lot of maintenance or engine repair actually require the mechanics take the cab of the truck off. You can't really do that in a Class-C. Just something to think about.
Class A will give you more room, better view, more storage, cab area become part of living area, easier to leave the cockpit, and depending on which class A you get (winnebago) you have a steel structure around you.
I have number 20 - what about not really needing to tow a car because you can get around in MOST places with your class C. On those occasions when we couldn't (Provincetown, MA), we just rented a car.
I bought a 30' Class A because it felt right. I also like being able to level it from the drivers seat. I don't like climbing into a bed at my age of 65, I usually just fall into bed (not out of it). Any kid that jumps in front of my RV had big problems before I hit them, so I don't worry about the area right in front. I do like being up high enough to see troubles way on down the road before I am involved. I asked my wife what was her main consideration in an RV and she said 'the bath room'. We rented a Class C before we bought the Class A, and when I used the bath room in the Class C, I could not pull my pants up without hitting my head on the door. The Class A has more than enough room to 'take care of business' without lumps on my head. My older model ('98) Class A was surprisingly cheap and I have done quite a bit to modernize it. The new ones are stupid expensive, and for first time buyers like me, I wanted to make sure two old folks could do this. We will be full-time in December!
Newer C's, Super C's and even some B's & B+'s have auto leveling jacks now...
hi, how did you modernized it?
I'm with you on not wanting to climb into a bed like Class Cs have! Age here, too (and disabilities) - plus it's just plain a pain to make a bed you can barely reach. For me, having that would be a total waste of space I could never justify.
Almost every class C has a bed in the rear. Many times, like in my 2005 Fleetwood Tioga 29V, there is a bed in the back in addition to the bed over the cab, which is great for kids and storage.
My 2001 Jayco Eagle has walk around queen bed, HWH Levelers, 5'x8' Bathroom area... room for 5 people. haha. Room in the shower for 2 (gotta save water, right!). It's not the class so much as the design/layout. Also have a basement for hauling tables, chairs, tools, and whatever else we need trying to keep weight in mind.
The big reasons for our choosing of a class c are:
Doors for the passenger and driver is so convenient especially with are dog platform in front for our pet.
The second reason is class c are generally not as high as class a and if you travel on back roads a lot it is no problem getting under some of the lower overpasses!
That's all folks!
Do they make a Class C that has 2 acs with 50amp power? I don't see how anyone stays in a class C with just 1 ac .. it gets so hot
a chose a Class C for some of the reasons you mentioned. i considered all types of RVs.
i travel solo, so the choice i made was just for me. no dogs, cats or females. my biggest reason for wanting a C was the over the cab sun protection, i hate the sun beating down on me while driving, i'm 90 percent protected.
Good point. That's a nice benefit.
I recently purchased a Chevy class C Fleetwood. I prefer to maintain a Chevy 350 engine with a well built frame that I'm remodeling and reinforcing.
I might lean more towards a trailer but the thought of constantly having to hook-up and unhook the trailer from the tow vehicle is a complete turn-off for me. Hopefully someday new simpler, faster and less stress-inducing ways of hooking-up trailers and tow vehicles will be invented.
Class C has much less storage, and smaller water/black grey tanks. Class C does not typically have heated bays and pipes freeze if you are in a cold weather area.
Great points! Also some class A's have a steel cage built in the cab area (Winnebago)
I saw the results of a class A rear-ending a semi that was hauling an airplane (of all things) the trailer was a low boy the motor home frame, tires, steering wheel and driver's seat was still on the road. The rest of the motor home was in the ditch. The living quarters sheered right off and the running gear looked like it could drive away. I have no idea if anyone was injured or not.
That's what the makers of Super C's are saying (the ones built on Spartan & Freightliner chasis), you have the Frame, a crash zone and all that big ol' diesel engine in front of you, much safer, if you happen to have a head on collision
Great tips. I haven't decided on the Class I want and this information was helpful. I've heard pros and cons on both. Class C I'm told, is noisy and rough riding, while the Class A is expensive when it comes to service. I'm more interested in dependability. Looking forward to your next video.
my problem with class c is the roof and wood framing. are they building with metal frames or better roofing?
Is a 12x36 an RV and can you live in a mobile home and rv
Also is a park model an RV and what are the dimensions 10-12x30-40 ?
I loved my Class A! It was total fun. Took me about a week of driving and it was just about as comfortable to drive as my trucks. It's just like driving down the road in your living room. Enjoy.
Oh man, we could not disagree more. We have experience with both A-class and C-class motorhomes, and for my family the A-class is the clear winner. Here's the reality.... you have a choice between a LIGHT-DUTY VAN CHASSIS (C-class) or a MEDIUM-DUTY TRUCK CHASSIS (A-class). The light-duty chassis weight rating gets maxed out when mated with a large motorhome. The medium-duty chassis is well within it's comfort zone for this kind of load. The A-class motorhomes have higher Gross Vehicle Weight Ratings, BIGGER BRAKES, LARGER WHEELS, STRONGER FRAME. The advantage of having airbags in a C-class brings me little comfort. It's still a light-duty VAN, and you've literally added tons of weight behind it!!! How is that going to work out in a crash? If I'm going to get in an accident in a motorhome, I want the girth of medium-duty all the way. A-class are no more difficult to drive than a C-class, as they really aren't much larger. In fact, with the improved visibility, I think the A-class is a bit easier. Not to mention.... the panoramic windshield makes the drive so much more enjoyable than the feeling we get stuffed into a van front-end. That's our two cents.
Great info! Thanks! I’ve seen class A’s as short as 28’. I think the mini airstreams motorhomes are about that long. I personally love Super C’s
Camper Report - totally appreciate your perspective. Thanks for the vid.
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I myself am between the two, class c is sounding more convenient in many ways including maintenance in my own research. As a single man I love my space but a huge class a as much as I love their looks and size isnt practical, though if I had money to burn why not. I am leaning towards class c...some VERY nice ones around these day's with space to spare. Great video.
I want a strong chassis system and a home made open cabin interior, and privacy curtains. The head um bathroom will have a home toilet and a shower with a seat. Large supply of water onboard. Ice coolers (foot stools) for refrigeration backup. Nice lounge chairs............
Thank you so much for this I really appreciate it, it has helped me a lot!❤
Great points, you are new, so are we at 50. we are. About doors, we made sure we got an class a with a door on the driver side. We went class a. we have one child left. about front accidents. we are high for impact, You brought out many good points. We were going to get a class C. But we are going all out and living the RV. lIfe. Thank you. Still learning. Rudy.
I just purchased a class A "RV. I'll drive a little more careful and since I won't be out there "Vin Dieseling"' it,
I'll be OK.
Floor heat in class c. I don't know about newer Rvs but my older class c has excessive floor heat because the engine is so close. It can be annoying. Especially on hot days. I have heard others speak of this.
Bought a five year old 32 foot class A so saved a bunch of money. That was 14 years ago. Never had any substantial problems or significant expenses, except when we had a blow out because the tires were very worn. Love being all together in there while traveling, and as far as noise, just insulate the cab. Like everything else in life, it's just a matter of choice and personal need. We really enjoy our RV and are choosing to remodel rather than buy a class B or C.
my dad rented a rv for a trip and idk what class it is but the rv hes renting has a bed above the driver seat. Can someone tell me if its a lass A or C
That is a "C".
that was a class C - sort of Camper style, roomy and always ready for you - they do come with a corner bed in back and also a walk around queen depending on the length of the class c rv. You can get about anything over the past 10-15 years.
This is a good video that brings up some good points, but I digress... Our brand new 2017 class A sleeps 6 without a bed over the driver & gets 9~11 miles per gallon while towing our Jeep depending on terrain. It has a 55 degree turning radius & there is no engine up front to worry about in a crash, but even if there was we would be sitting above it not directly behind it like in a class C. All class A motorhomes have a minimum of 2 exits by law/regulation, one being the emergency fire exit. Getting repairs? It's a Freightliner chassis, Cummings engine, Allison transmission & Freightliner service/repair centers are everywhere. Likewise, the gas class A is most likely a Ford V10 & Ford shops are also everywhere, and if you're broke down in the boonies CoachNet will get you to the repair shop.
Good points and nice try, but I doubt if you are going to change anyone's mind, who is already set on a certain class of RV, They will argue the points ad nauseum, and in many cases have only had experience with the RV they currently own. So they have no point of reference. Talking to others who have experience with different types of RV's won't help them because it is not their experience.....
Nomadic Native
He clearly said getting out the drivers door is easier than climbing over a dogbox . Do you climb out your fire exit regularly ?
Agree. We have no difficulty with the doghouse or using the door. It's not like there's a long line of people trying yo get in and out the door at the same time, and if you can't step on doghouse, you may not want to crawl up into the cab bed on some class C.
My dad wanted a class C motorhome but we are truck drivers when we drove one it was like sitting in a hole with lots of blind spots where a Class A you sit up high better visibility so he bought a class a nd he loves it fuel milage is the same unless you get a diesel😊
I would suggest that the class C front is more aerodynamic than a squarer fronted class A?
Well I haven't owned an RV yet but I want to. I love the air streams, the big ones at 45 ft. Shiny polished aluminum. Getting back to your video now. Nothing beats a Class A Diesel Pusher. They Run Forever they are built strong and they ride smooth. They have slide outs to make it like your home. Big bathrooms big bedrooms. Class C to me that's just a camper on Wheels tight bathrooms not much room in the bedroom area. If I could afford it I'd go out and buy me a million-dollar motor coach from Marathon coaches. Happy travels everyone and be safe.
The class A is going to much more comfortable, and will usually ride much better than a C, also they usually have bigger gas tanks. I love my 34ft gas engine class A, it has a 100 gallon gas tank, gets 10 miles per gallon a an average speed of 65, and it's super comfortable.
Then you should drive a comparable Class A DP....... Just for comparison...
And a lot more storage, i live I a Gulf Stream Hi Rise, it has a huge basement under it. 36 ft gasser. I get 9-10 mpg and across Kansas I can get up to 12 since it's flat.
Interesting And compelling argument. You have given me much to think about, thank you.
I Wonder what happened to ol boy? No video on reason for buying class A.... hell no videos in a year....
I had a Truck Camper that went up in Ashes BUT i was Lucky enough to NOT be in it when it caught Fire. The Solar Panel Mickey Mouse Installation used a Cable too Small & NOT Strong
That sounds horrible. Glad you are okay. My solar panels came installed from the factory. Fingers crossed they are safe!
Solar Panels ARE NOT UNSAFE. The Cable used to Install them may not be Safe
THis is a good video and some really good points. One thing though, I traveled a lot and I didn't see any more RVs broke down vs other vehicles. the most common ones would be cars there ar e so many more of them on the road. Buses I don't see really see too many but see a lot more semis broke down they are the most common on the interstates. I have seen two motorhomes broke down in the last 5 years WAY less than semis and I travel on the snow bird routes I-44 I75 ETC. the best way to NOT break down is to LEARN how to properly maintain your motorhome. I have a class A dodge AVCO all steel tubing and fiberglass body on an international frame under the Dodge name with the 440. I am taking it over Monday to get it all rewired and all checked out. If you do that you will not be stranded anymore than driving any other vehicle. I have seen two buses broke down on the highway one was due to low water it had a safety to shut down the engine and the other was an air brake problem. I have buses a Van Hool an old Greyhound and a GMC RTS . I was stranded on the highway in Wyo. couldn't build up air past 60 a new air compressor was the fix. SO my whole point is. Don't scare people with the (RVs break down all the time) that is simply NOT true.. anything can break down not just RVs. Semis as I said are the most common.
for Accessing engine for maintenance I always thought the class c was better, but after i got mine i realized how cramped the engine is and looking at a class A you have access from inside and under it is wide open, i don't know but I'm sure it's easer to replace the spark plug in a class A than in a class C or B.
a class c is a van , and very difficult to work on the engine compared to a truck
Class C's are trucks, Class B's are vans
Class C engine compartment is the same as a truck because it is a truck, with a camper on it. Nearly all Class C engines are easy to work on.
THIS GUY GIVES ME VIBES THAT TELL ME I COULD NEVER RELATE TO HIM AND HIS BACKGROUND, AND THAT I WOULD NEVER WANT TO EITHER. I NEVER WOULD HAVE GOTTEN AWAY WITH THE WAY HE ACTS WHERE I COME FROM, THAT'S FOR SURE.
I have only been RVing 13 years and spent the first 9 in a class C while towing a car . That was my "learner' M/H and it taught me a whole bunch about what I thought I wanted and needed . Our second M/H is a class B and have been very happy . It is only 19' and fits in a normal parking spot . The ride and handling is far better and I do not have to drag a car along . Normally it is just Granma and Grandpa and often one Grandchild . Our old class C got between 7-9 MPG with a 35 gallon tank and our newer class B gets between 14 - 17 MPG with a 35 gallon tank . Used to be I started looking for a gas station around 120-140 miles , now 350-400 miles . I have never had the desire to own and or drive a class A . Some are made well , but the entry fee for a well built one is just too far out of our financial plan . People always tell me "you should have bought a new class C instead of a class B " . We have an older Roadtrek and could not be happier . Of corse it depends on how many people you need to haul and or sleep and what you wish to do with your RV . I think class B are about as safe a rig as you can get , as long as manufacturer starts with a passenger van . Older class C need to be checked out if buying used , water leaks are a very common problem . I used to be a fireman and you would not believe how most class C and many class A literally fly apart in even a fairly mild collision . The cabinets often break lose and try to exit through the windshield on a moderate front end impact . Many class A that sell from about $300,000 and up are built much better than the "starter" class A's .
Do they even make a class C that is 50amp power with two ac units , one ac unit in them class C's just isn't enough to keep you cool it's to hot in them ..
@@davenstorm7271 I have never seen a class C with dual air , but there very well could be along with 50 AMP power .
@@henryzabel1746 I hear you how in the world did you stay cool in that thing I've looked at about 3 class Cs and I was burning up just being inside them for about 30 minutes . Thats crazy they don't make dual airs on these it's a shame
Why no solar roof panel hybrid units?..light weight capacitor storage.
Very good points! And the fact that you own a class A makes it even more informative since you know what a class A has to offers. Tnx for the vid.
Excellent Video.... JIM !!! I just started looking and decided I wanted a Class C.. Right before I saw ur video; I started looking at the "supersized" Super Class C... lol.. a Class C is a "C".. Super A's next I guess? I Did not think about the safety factor to that depth or the mechanical breakdown factor (repair shops) as you did.. there more things you mentioned, but I need to take notes next time I listen to it.. Thank you.. great.
Most of the below comments missed the point. I owned a class A diesel pusher and a gas puller. Here is the real reason why a class A will never be as trouble free as a B or C.
In the B and C, the entire cab with all of the dash, air conditioner, instruments , etc are assembled in an assembly line with qualified personnel, who have QA/QC requirements. Schematics are available of the completed assembly.
In the class A, the assembler, receives the truck frame which includes the engine and NOTHING else. He then has to make a dash assembly, build an air conditioner vent system with doors for air flow control, wire all of the instruments, connect all vacuum lines, all hydraulic lines and pneumatic lines. Quess what? It is seldom done correctly. The common problems which can and do occur are all of the above. Usually there are no schematics because all models are seldom assembled the same.
After 26 years of RV travel all over the USA, from my view, the only way to go is: Class B or C, or travel trailer or Fifth wheel with a proper tow vehicle. Simplicity!
I am now on my fifth travel trailer. The evolution was as follows: small trailer, no slide, larger trailer, no slide, larger trailer, one slide. Still larger trailer, two slides.
No problems with the different tow vehicles. No problems with any travel trailer because of their simplicity.
Those are my thoughts and experiences.
Happy RVing!
Yup most class B and class C are simply commercial vehicle platforms, that alone implies more reliability, plus any mechanic can work on them if needed.
No. My Tiffin has a Powerglide chassis that was built by Tiffin in the Tiffin chassis factory.
I work for a major diesel engine maker in a shop. One thing I've learned since I started in this business is that Class A's are a waste of money. Travel Trailers and Pickup campers are the way to go- totally agree. High horsepower diesel engines are expensive to fix and maintain (like those found in class A's). If you have a 1 ton pickup, you can do more things with that vehicle- that class A will just sit around until you want to take it out.
"the only way to go is: Class B or C, or travel trailer or Fifth wheel". Well, that helps.
Class C is usually a cut away van.
Either Chevy or Ford. There's not many pickup trucks that have the cab attracted to the RV body.
It would be better to have 4WD in case you wanna camp out in the desert.
Good to hear that.
Thank you so much.
What do you think Gsa or Diesel?
This has been so helpful,Thank you for taking time to video tape this..Im looking at Class Cs..and an leaning un that direction..😁
white light but he himself bought a class A
My 85 34 ft class a pace arrow has passenger and driver doors and the pull down bed over the driver plus huge real metal bumpers it is a tank. lol. 454 chevy 7 to 8 mpg.
Class A vs Class C in an accident is comparing an extended 1 Ton Van on a 1 ton van frame to a Mack or International truck. Class A uses bus frames and weight a lot more. Crosswinds have less effect on a Class A due to the weight difference. There is a great video from the NTSB that shows a typical midsize car with a 3 or 4 star safety rating vs a 5 star rated smartcar. Any guess which vehicle protected the passengers better? Give me an extra 2 to 5 tons any day in place of the airbag. Common sense and basic physics.
I agree with some of those arguments/observations, but the biggest (both ways) is basically the deal you can get. I cannot afford a new anything. We bought our class A (an "older" class A) because it was in really good shape, what we wanted, and I thought we got a great deal on it.
We have owned every type of camping RV except a pop-up and frankly my favorite is still our 5th Wheel. Our motorhomes were okay but they lacked the storage and roominess found in out 5th wheel. Pulling the 5th wheel was easy too. We are between RVs, and my husband and I both agree we would go back to a 5th wheel for full timing or long excursions.
I drove a 34 ft Class C all over Alaska with no issues. Then I had to move from Fairbanks, AK to Panama City, Fl. ok....wow. So I have a 22 ft trailer attached to this 34 ft Rv. Have to drive a few thousand miles. 5 adults, two children, one newborn, two cats and a dog. Sound interesting yet? So getting out of AK not so much of a problem but then we run into an about a 100 mile stretch of the Yukon where the roads are tore up for repaying (I guess) .....took 8 plus hrs to go that 100 miles! Seriously stunk! After that not to much of an issue. Except where I pulled off the side to sleep cause I had been driving for like 22 hrs straight. Pitch black night. I get pulled ober, sleep for a couple hrs. Open the side door to let my dog out to do his thing........OMG! About a thousand ft drop not eight inches away! Grabbed him and drove to a safer spot. If I had moved over a couple inches we would have been reported in a newspaper as those folks who went over the cliff and died a horrible death! Once we were in the US things got better. Still a mighty task to drive for 11 days to get from AK to FL. But the Class C served us well.
Mr51cav3man You are lucky to be here, the only mistake you made was driving for 22 hrs straight. Professional drivers don't even attempt that. Sleep deprivation could have killed you and your family, but I guess you realize that. I've seen videos of ppl who make coast to coast trips in a RV in 6 days. What is the point you don't get to see much, and you sure can't really enjoy what you do see, because you're always in a hurry. For me that is not what RV'ing is about. For me RV'ing is about taking your time, if you see something that peaks your interest along the way, stop and check it out, so what if it takes you 30 miles out of the way. RV'ing is more about the trip, and less about getting there.......
Rory Roberts I agree with what you said. We were PCS'ING meaning going from one military base to another. We had limited time and for numerous reasons nobody else could drive. Mostly because my in laws were/are crazy. We did stop in South Dakota for Mt. Rushmore and gain in Tennessee for Graceland. But I only had 14 days to go from my base in AK to the one in FL.
19 reasons not to do what I did with my experience and knowledge.
I have owned 3 class A's and a class B and I wouldn't have anything but a Class A. My Winnebago Sunstar 35 F sleeps 8, has a bath and a 1/2, lots of internal and external storage, larger headroom throughout. But.....everyone has to choose what works for them
Thanks for telling me your experience.
I agree.... and for us it is the Class C. Had one before with less storage than the one we are currently looking at (both 24'). Prefer driving the C, as am use to driving a truck with our 26' travel trailer. No more trailers. Grown kids no longer traveling with us. Just our two pups!
Class A's have coach edges... so they are rounded thats far more aerodynamic than a class c in a cross wind... at least the ones i was looking at but i really didn't ketch anything else i personally dont agree with other than the radiator (on my GS) being right in the way of everything my class A is really accible... but im not sure if everyone can just move there matress and climb on top the big guy... or pull the radiator and just walk up to it... GREAT VIDEO. Really enjoyed THANKS
> ssj4goko4 - question a wood framed class C? what year was it?
Smart Man...
I have a Class A and we went to an RV show the other day. We looked at several RV's and I will never buy a Class C. Just sitting in the fronts seats will make you change your mind. The "gigantic front window" of the Class A make you feel like you're part of the scenery you're driving through. The Class C makes you feel like your in a cocoon and visibility is horrible. Visibility in a Class A beats a C hands down.What the heck does weight have to do with picking an A or a C? Oh yeah, the cargo capacity of an A and the weight it can carry is so much higher then almost all Class C's. "RV's break down all the time"? Yeah, ok, time to come back to earth and quit make outrageous statements.
Great info - However we needed a toy hauler and only option for those is SuperC. We liked the Class A Toy Hauler options better mainly Cost and Maneuverability
Thanks for the vid. Many good points i'm sure. Where is your video on the Class A you are buying? I thought you said you had one? Thanks
Yeah Jim they are big and great for normal living with storage
Could you do a class A, B, C, pricing and pros and cons on all Used ones?? Couldn't find anything current on your RUclips channel.
What about the freight liner motor homes? I don’t know what they are actually called lol
Cyclone vertical: Freightliner and Spartan chasis are used to build class A MH's. These are diesel pushers and if you stay away from the large corporate manufacturers and go with a family or individually owned Brand, you will usually get a better built unit. The corporate entities are building and pushing them out the door as fast as possible thousands a year. I read an article that stated that only 40% of the rigs built are inspected before they leave the factory. The smaller companies make better builds, take more time in doing so. That is why if you order one you may have to wait 6 - 8 months before it is delivered. Better to wait, up front, then have to wait while paying for it, while it sits on a dealer lot waiting for repairs. I have had two class A's, (2007 & 2015), both are Newmar Mountain Aires. I have never had to make any major repairs to either. I made a few upgrades as the years went by on my 2007, and I had to have some damage I caused by backing up, under a low hanging tree branch. That was it, besides standard maintenace in the 8 years ihad the 1st one. No repairs on my 2015 either and I am well into the second year (15,000 miles). I'm a full timer and travel quite a bit. Whatever class you choose, choose a diesel engine, more dependable, less to go wrong, more power, more performance, maintenance may cost more but the maintenance periods are extended. So the costs even out in the long run.
Rory Roberts okay thanks
Super C's are what they are called, and you can get Peterbuilt, and International chasis in a super C. The industry calls the Ford and Chevy diesel powered chasis Super C's, but I don't agree, they don't have the Torque or power of the other chasis mentioned here.
This is the first time I view your channel. Pretty good info. Congratulations on the purchase of your Class A . God Bless.
Happy travels.
Btw I just subscribed
My first coach was a class C back in 2004. I am on my second class A. Loved all three of my coaches. You get what fits your needs. This guy clearly does not know what he is talking about. When you are exploring the world you want a nice big windshield for a perfect viewing. Also, what is he talking about kids running out in front of the RV and not seeing them. I personally have not heard of a RV running people over. This guy is just looking for things to say just to extend his video. Again, get what you like and fits your needs. This guy has no clue.
Trying to decide on a Class A or C , I think the Class A's front windshield view is awesome , more livable comfortable living space once parked , belly storage , diesel for power and better engine and tranny cooling , can tow 5000 lbs . Class C with V10 , easier to park , would be like a sports car of RV's to get around in , but beyond that , I cant think of anymore advantages . Pulling a trailer would be slow and have to watch engine and tranny temps always , and in summer watch out . Poor fuel mileage. . The diesel does everything better than a gas Class C. What do you think ?
My first coach was a Winnebago class C 31ft. gas. Had it for 10 years and loved it. My wife and I decided to go bigger and purchased a Holiday Rambler class A gas. Nice coach but we then got a boat weighing 5600 lbs. I wanted more power so ended up getting a 40ft. Winnebago Diesel Pusher. So this is what I learned;
Gas
More engine noise and heat in the cockpit.
Less power then the diesel however, maintenance is cheaper. It will cost more to repair a diesel when needed.
Depending on weight and speed you will need more distance to stop a gas coach. Driving downhill you have to be careful with how you brake. Improper braking will heat your brakes. Activating tow mode helps but not the same as exhaust brake.
The diesel pusher has power and is quiet because all the noise is 40 feet behind us. No engine heat in the cockpit, air brakes is a must in my opinion when dealing with weight. I love it when I don't have to touch my brakes to slow me down because the exhaust brake does it for me. No heating the brakes, which means you save your brakes. Smoother ride and stability is awesome. My diesel pusher just feels and drives better then my gas coach, even in strong winds. I also like the Cummins engine. Diesel engines operate with a combustion process that's leaner, burning less fuel than gas engines. The engine has sturdier blocks and cylinder heads, valves, crankshaft, and pistons, which is necessary to dissipate the higher engine temperatures and higher compression ratios attained in a diesel engine. The diesel achieves higher torque at much lower speed, so it's operating at lower rpm. The diesel pusher is a more suitable choice for heavy towing as long as you don't exceed manufacturer towing capacity. Like I mentioned earlier, diesel is more $$ but made to last. There are many beautiful gas coaches out there so get what fits your needs. I love looking at all the coaches out there no matter who the manufacturer is. It's like a hobby to me. In my opinion diesel pusher is the way to go, especially if you are getting something over 36 feet and towing anything over 3,000lbs.
Class C's are lower to the ground, so you don't have as good visibility. The issue I ran into when I looked at class c, lack of diesel engine options.
Ill be getting a class B for incognito boon docking in the city.
I agree with most of what you have said, however, the real delimma is between a class A and a super C. Super C's usually pull more weight, will handle as well or better than most class a's, safer in a frontal collision, and priced in line with nicer class a diesel pushers. They also will handle more wieght than most class a's which may have space but not a lot of extra carrying capacity and in fact travel down the road usually overloaded..so let's add overall safety for the class c.
Super "'C's" are their own class. They are all diesels, have jacks for auto leveling, more powerful generators, have options for solar panelsand most have residential sized refrigerators, just to mention a few differences. Some are actually Class A's, because of the uni-body construction..... but because of their shape people still call them C's...
you need to do more research, I've been in the bus business a long time and own a class A. You really need to break class A's into diesel pusher and front engine. They are both class A but very different. Class A's stand ups to front collisions very well. Get a mechanics opinion on A vs C