Triple Flange Fixed Gear Hub
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- Опубликовано: 18 окт 2024
- The triple flange track hub! I picked up this hub a year ago and had no idea what it was until now. Turns out it was made by a brand called Gods Cogs here in New Zealand. Its pretty unique, looks tough as, confusing to lace up but overall an absolute beast of a hub! Let me know if any of you guys have any more info, would love to hear it!
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I enjoyed this rebuild. It's really a novelty item. Kinda one of those innovations that trys to solve a problem that never really existed. However it looks really fun on the streamroller. And that's what riding is all about
The pan to the cat was downright cinematic.
Cat: three flanges, what?!? Never ever before....
Love it! kinda captures what fixies are all about. does it make sense? hell no. does it look and feel cool? hell yeah!
About half a century ago I had a bicycle whose forks had excessive caster and thus rode “soft.” I helped that by crowfoot lacing. This could easily be crowfoot laced, but with two flanges each place where three spokes overlapped I wire wrapped and soldered them, making it even stiffer.
You can tell it's a quality hub with those bearing covers to help keep the elements out.
Every element of this - unusual rare hub, rim replacement, lacing journey, filming, background checking, fixie love made this video a 99/100 but the final point that takes it to 100/100 is the possible connection to NZ. Thanks RUclips for presenting this video to me ❤
The lacing pattern make it look like a work of art!
I have never seen a hub like that. Thanks for posting this.
This kind of stuff is the reason I love fixed gear. This is an example of mad scientist bike machining. Someone really had a moment when they came up with this concept. Thank you for sharing!
That's the weirdeset/coolest rear hub I've seen, I'm curious the engineering reason behind it, unless just to be different. My cat loves wheel building time too, I lose a lot of parts thanks to him.
Doubt there’s any solid engineering reason. Probably to look cool/different
You could lace it radially on the outer flanges and cross on the middle flange.
That was exactly what was thinking. Maximize lateral stiffness (and it would look SICK!)
That would be rad! Figuring out spoke lengths could be tricky though?
God help me. I've gone from never having seen a triple flange huh before in my life to wanting a hybrid radial/cross pattern spaghetti spoke hub so bad. I bet lacing berds up would be so much easier and just imagine how sexy crossed black and radial white would look....
This is a sponsored Berd collaboration if over ever heard of one!
@@waveywheelies I don't know anything about the topic, but can't you measure them in the assembled status how it is now and then change the pattern? If my idea is nonsense, just ignore it. Cheers
Good lord, this man knows how to build a clean looking bike.
It’s a clean looking bike but it doesn’t have gears or brakes so it should do.
@@PinkLloyd88 not all bikes need gears and brakes.....
@@shawclipmusic9626 yep
Nice job brotherman. First time ive ever heard of three flange mazes. They look really good. Well done sir. Blessings from Buenos Aires!
Your cleaning process looks superb! I will say that I believe this hub could benefit from an internal spacer, to mitigate side-loading the bearings.
Hey buddy, after 2 years of riding fixed gear and getting geeky with bike parts and buying some old track frames, i learned that 2009 and 2010 seemed to be rly huge years for the bike/ fixie scene. It did not come to me as a surprise that this weird hub emerged in that year as well.
I picked up a soma rush 2010, which had a 1 1/8 threadless fork, and later a bianchi pista condotti, with a 1' threadless fork. It was a sort of transitional period where vintage specs were slowly being replaced into modern specs.
Just something I noticed, and hope someone can shed more light on!
It's a rare & beautiful hub but it's also an answer to a question that nobody has ever asked.
That's definitely one I've never seen before. Cool find.
Beautiful. Hope others will try to produce more of these. Love how at the end, your cat's even amazed by it. ("MEOW! A triple flange!")
Nah. Too much extra weight without any real benefits.
Thank you for this very entertaining video. I love to build wheels and tinker with this kind of stuff! I wouldn't mind having a novelty wheel like that on my track/fixie. No commercial future for it, but the coolness factor is huge, even for a grandpa like me! My avocation is modifying 10 speed hubs that fit into 126mm OLD framesets You'll get 9- 10 speed sprockets on and 10 if the spider on a 36 tooth cassette is milled. I haven't tried that one yet, but 9 speed slides in nicely! I never tried indexing, but the 80's style downtube shifters still float my boat. Milled crank spider, bringing chainrings closer and a 10 speed chain complete the retromod package! My track bike has Velocity 36 spoke Velocity rims in black built cross 4 with a fixed/fixed hub. Hub only sold by Formula. If I were a rich man!
Super cool hub! For next time, you could use a normal spoke calculator for these. Set one flange offset to zero, and that's your middle flange calculated like normal. If the flanges are symmetrical you could even get all your numbers in one go.
there are three flanges, spoke length calculators have "place" for 2.
You mention setting one flange offset to zero and this being the middle flange.
But you missed out on the other two. How are those calculated? Or will the other flange (in the calculator) show lengths applicable for the two remaining flanges?
@@Apollo440 One flange at zero, one at 30mm or whatever it measures to. If both flanges are the same offset you could use that number for both outer flanges, that's what I meant. If they're different than you'd have to run the calc twice. That said, the cross pattern is really weird and might mess with the length a bit, I wonder how running this as a 24h system would math out. I'm definitely a lot less confident I could nail those spoke lengths first try now that I think about that...
@@lawncharir Thanks!
This was the perfect hub for the beautiful Surly of yours
Impeccable wheel truing!❤
Also apart from the 3 flanges very cool design with what seems to be a normal 10 mm or 3/8" axle but with catridge bearings. Saw something similar on an old Altenburger hub, but with a special axle with turned bearing seats, so this way much neater with a part that´s easier to replace.
Good job I’ve never seen a triple flange hub. I would put split lock washers under the bolts holding the cog or maybe removable thread lock.
Love the quirkiness!
Nice geeky stuff. I'm not into fixed gear at all and I don't think three flanges make a lot of sense (especially if you gotta drill rather big holes in two of them in order to get the spokes in), you aren't transporting furniture of your fixie anyway, but... nice geeky stuff, great editing, great video! Thanks for uploading!
Cheers! Thanks for watching, I’m glad you enjoyed it!
They could have done without the slots by taping the spokes to cardboard rings while the hub was in a stand.
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in 1995, Clark Kent made something called a Pineapple Hub with 4 flanges!! Collectors drove prices as high as $1000 each.
Wow, bizarre hub that is. All the best from Holland!
Very bizarre indeed! Thanks for tuning in✌️
Well, now I want one of these to do a build with!
Cool looking wheel and just a very small increase in weight over standard hub. Your fixed tricks are also neat.
So well filmed as well, great video!
looks like a perfect hub for bmx
That was awesome man nicely done 👍
damn that bike looks clean!
good job on lacing up those hubs!
Thank you!
Interesting! Wonder if they made a pair of hubs (Front/Rear)? I have seen a rear hub before in london recently via Instagram but not much info, didn't know they were from NZ! Good stuff!
Very nice bike and really neat hub! Clean!
The hub looks sick!
This was so fun to watch. Really cool!
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it✌️
I see the spokes are kinda touching each other at criss-crossing points (hard to tell for sure from the vid tbh, even though you filmed it so well, loved it) do you think there would be a way to lace it without any need for spokes to do so ? That could maybe be advantageous for durability if not wheels responsiveness me thinks. But I'll admit it might add to the "what spoke length should i use there ?" headache...
Defo need a update on this, crazy 🔥, does it feel heavy?
With that tyre on it will
Will do! No noticeable difference tbh, but I’m not really that fussy on weight
That hub looks so fucking sick
super nice, would love to get my hands on a rear wheel like that
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You did a great job
I actually thought, "why" it seems just complicated to me, unlike others I didn't find it appealing visually.
But it's interesting
wonder what the initial design background was. just for the looks? as mentioned i cannot see any sense in a load distribution perspective…
No clue, would love to find out though!
I think FSA used to have a triple flange road hub in the mid noughties
Ah yes! I did see one of those when trying to find info on this one!
That looks really amazing! Do you see some advantages of using such type of hub?
Fixie points
Unsure tbh! It looks like it would build a stiffer wheel but it’s hard to say without doing some thorough testing. Didn’t notice any obvious difference when I tested it out
@@waveywheelies Gotcha! Anyway u did outstanding work! Good luck!
@@waveywheelies It will make the wheel *less* stiff. The spokes from the central flange have almost no bracing angle, so they're contributing almost nothing to wheel's stiffness. It's a weird, unusual part, to be sure.
@@ericdaumeable it may work very well under high torque, with no winding to the side. I would just build a 40hole box rim and use spoke covers.
Might be a bit OCD but now you need a Velocity deep front wheel, too - any excuse for another build, eh ;-) ?!
Yeah totally! I just need to find a triple flange front hub now haha😅
Woah, I've never seen anything like this before. Kinda strange, but makes sense from wheelbuilding standpoint.
No it doesn’t
That hub adds the weight of the centre spokes but I can't see this adding any strength
Dood pretty rad I live in otoko New Zealand Gisborne I only ride Fixie bike 🚲 hope our paths cross somewhere ❤
Well that was uniquely interesting! How's the riding so far?
Felt good! Solid as, but no noticeable difference to a double flange hub
i honestly don't know much about bearings in bikes, i only ride a skateboard at the moment, but i know that ABEC 3s are on the not so great end. ABEC 7s arent much more, wouldnt it be alot better to go with the best bearings?
Wow! Really interesting :D
Nice upload bro
Thanks man!
9:53 It´s so fucking perfecttttt
Having just built my first ever rear hub, I can totally appreciate the smoothness. Nice work, WW!
That is so cool.
Never seen anything like it before, seems pretty redundant, but cool asl
Imagine them adding one flange every year like Gillette does to their razors.
With a 9mm length difference you could have tried to build an internal nipple wheel and keep the spokes. (rims need smaller drillings)
Internal nipples wouldn't work as the Velocity rim was longer, so he used longer spokes, not shorter.
09:26 第一次紧完辐条后要拿脚踩吗？之前我看到刚编进去的时候有些辐条是弯曲的弧形的。后来被拉紧了。然后就是上脚踩。真是开眼了。
I liked background music, what is the name of that music?
Very interesting
Уважаемый автор этого контента. у меня один вопрос, почему не смазали подшипники перед установкой? ведь смазка находящаяся в подшипниках , служит для транспортировки.
Really look like a bike polo type of hub
Three flanges could make rear wheel even more strong to withstand wheelies even if regular symmetric wheels is pretty strong.
Watched what hub your old wheel has in hope it's Surly hex bolt hub to ask if it's not slipping in drop-out, but noticed you are using tugnut even with regular bolt hub. Maybe you or anyone else can comment on hex bolt rear hubs? I kinda hesitate to build rear wheel with hex bolt hub but probably I'm just old orthodox.....
I’ve used a bunch of different hex bolt hubs and never had any slippage, just got to make sure they are tight and the axle washers aren’t too beaten up!
Thanks a lot for answering! I just have never realized I could need to replace washers (eventually also bolts) and regular nuts are just much simpler to source in wider choice from simple to fancy ones.
curious about that blog post, can you share the link
Looks good bro
Cheers bro!
This hub is just begging to be used on that dual drivetrain build. Wonder if you could bolt a freewheel adapter plate to the outer spoke insertion holes
That’s a really interesting idea, you definitely could do something like that but I think I’m just going to ride it like this for a while!
Let us know how it stands up to leaping off kirbs and keeping its integrity?
Flanges don’t often fail, so adding redundancy offers no advantage I can see. Rims and spokes fail far more often.
Perhaps it allows for greater spoke density. I imagine there is a limit to how close spokes can be. Since the internal radius of the hub would be overcrowded faster than the much larger radius of the rim, adding a third flange could give you more spokes. Or it just looks cool.
Not sure it was not designed to use Radial lacing in externals flanges. Like on old FSA wheels.
that's clean.
Super nice
Cheers!
interesting idea
A solution in search of a problem.
What is the song playing in the very beginning? I really dig it
Pluckers delight by "Slipslider"
Frickin cool
Nice bike👌
Cheers!
Very cool
Thanks✌️
I dunno what to think. I've gotta compost on this.
Someone clearly rode it to death so it must be alright. Oh... now I see why the holes are required. Goodness.
But how does it feel when you ride it?
cool!
You know you're a serious fixed gear rider when you got a nice steel frame, one speed, no brakes in sight, and a rear hub with THREE flanges. The only thing that could be better is if the hub was designed to carry two cogs, and you could run a double chainset as well 😂😂😂
I think I've just spaft mi self!
Found a tiny bit of Info by searching triple flanged hubs then Images. Someone in NZ surely will have some insight?.
Hopefully! Haven’t found out any more info yet..
Anyone got any ideas what the idea was behind the 3rd flange? Is it for people just putting too many watts to the ground? 😅
nice👍🏻
similar rim to the side and then just lace them over or replace them one by one.
Intertwined twisted spoke lacing on quadruple flange hubs, can't ride on anything less.
woah
Whaaaaaaa
whats the vice adapter to hold the axles called
Park Tool AV-1 Axle Vice
@@letour32rr sweet thank you just bought one
It's been a while...
Excellent, but I would get to the first hill and die
5:48 that serrated nut goes the other way…
Super weird