Hay, remember to take care of yourself. This is a great series and I'm loving it, but I don't mind waiting for you to get over the flu to post the next episode. The flu sucks. Just maybe post something quick and simple telling us what's up, and I'm pretty sure anyone who's a decent person won't mind you missing a deadline. And you didn't seem particularly incoherent that I noticed.
I have one tiny suggestion. to maintain the theme, maybe say Duel, instead of one v one. It's the same thing but one sounds classy and the other sounds trite.
While Aragorn doesn't tell Frodo in the book "I would have gone with you to the very Fires of Mordor" he does say "I would have followed him to the very Fires of Mordor" to Legolas and Gimli after sending Boromir's boat down the Falls of Rauros.
And Frodo kept wearing the ring when he went to get a boat and sam doesn't see hime either until he was almost drowning and has an invisible hand catch his arm.
@reek4062 And horribly-casted all of the actors and actresses, like Cateblanshit, Seandumbasstin, Elijah Morning Wood/Frodosynthesis, Silly Soyd, etc, made every single one of characters queer, filmed all of the locations with crap modern lighting (instead of 35mm film photography, like in the first 3 seasons of ‘The X-Files’). Also they collude have brought Tony Gaulidi’s Balin’s Tomb illustration, and all of Paul Raymond Gregory’s, Luca Michellucci’s, and Ted Nasmith lotr art to the big screen while adapting six 5+ hour movies. They could have at least filmed in one New Zealand Location/Amon Sul, Banks Peninsular. Why not also in Europe and the Eurasian Plains? Is it really that hard? Or are there, “too many Caucasians”, living there?
In the book, Frodo is seating on Amon Hen and Sauron is looking for him. But suddenly, there is another power, opposing Sauron that tries to help Frodo and tell him to take off the Ring. For a moment, those 2 opposing powers are equal and Frodo can make the decision for himself and he is taking off the Ring. In the White Rider chapter in Two Towers, we learn from Gandalf the White that Frodo was in danger but that danger passed and Gandalf had a part in that too and then he was too tired from that fight. This opposing to Sauron power that helped Frodo take off the Ring at Amon Hen had to be the first action of Gandalf the White!
No, Boromir says "is it not a strange fate that we should suffer so much fear and doubt for so small a thing" is said at Caradhras when Boromir holds the ring after Frodo falls down.
I'm always frightened when Frodo sits in the seat of Amon Hen in the book. The films imply from the time Frodo puts the Ring on at the Prancing Pony, that Sauron can sort of zoom in on Frodo and speak to him when he wears the Ring. In the book, this is not the case. It's the act of sitting in the seat while wearing the Ring that makes Sauron aware of Frodo, and only when he turned his gaze towards Mordor. The way Tolkien describes Frodo’s near escape always makes me anxious. * * * ... Then at last his gaze was held: wall upon wall, battlement upon battlement, black, immeasurably strong, mountain of iron, gate of steel, tower of adamant, he saw it: Barad-dûr, Fortress of Sauron. All hope left him. And suddenly he felt the Eye. There was an eye in the Dark Tower that did not sleep. He knew that it had become aware of his gaze. A fierce eager will was there. It leaped towards him; almost like a finger he felt it, searching for him. Very soon it would nail him down, know just exactly where he was. Amon Lhaw it touched. It glanced upon Tol Brandir - he threw himself from the seat, crouching, covering his head with his grey hood. He heard himself crying out: _Never, never!_ Or was it: _Verily I come, I come to you_ ? He could not tell. - _The Breaking of the Fellowship_
What makes that passage even cooler is that, when Gandalf reappears in *The Two Towers,* it is revealed that he played a hand in keeping Sauron from locating Frodo . . . and that it wasn’t easy for him.
A film is primarily a visual medium. Jackson, being an old horror man, chose to represent the "eye of Sauron" as terrifying visions that Frodo has when he puts on the One Ring and goes into the wraith world. It's really brilliant.
2:47 when I was a kid this is when the game switched from live action to game cinematic and it was the most epic thing I’d ever seen as a that young. GameCube will forever live on in my heart
I actually love the mourning song made for Boromir that Aragorn, and Legolas sing, as it was presented by narrator Rob Inglis in the Recorded Books version.
The other stuff of what Frodo sees such as trolls coming down the mountains and even a foreshadowing for The Return of the King: the Corsairs of Umbar sail up the river to Pelargir was planned to be made. They shot all Frodo's shots but didn't complete the effects for it as Peter Jackson decided to just show Frodo see Barad Dûr and The Eye of Sauron. This is told by director in the Director and Writers commentary.
Sorry, but I think it isn’t fair to Aragorn to say that in the books he is torn between going east with Frodo and helping him on his journey to Mount Doom, and going west and “claiming the crown of Gondor”. I think it is made quite clear in the books that Aragorn wanted to go to Gondor in the first place to help it in its struggle against the onslaught of Sauron’s forces. Yes, this time he was going there as Issildur’s heir and he did intend to eventually claim the crown, but his primary motivation is to try and save Minas Tirith from falling in the battles to come.
This is correct. Furthermore, Aragorn didn't want to go with Frodo because he pledged his loyalty: Elrond made sure no oaths were made when the Company set out from Rivendell. Rather, Aragorn wants to go with Frodo because he knows Frodo needs a guide. This turns out to be correct, although the guide ends up being Gollum, not himself.
I quite agree that the emphasis is wrong. I don’t think Aragorn was motivated by the possibility of becoming king, but rather a possibility of helping save the city. He wanted to “go with Boromir”. Both of them were committed to doing all they could to “save their people“.
Some comments are disgusting. PJ's trilogy is a masterpiece, and just because YOU don't like some of the changes doesn't make it a bad trilogy. It's because of bitter people like you that we end up with crap like Rings of Power. I LOVE these movies, because there are GOOD. So, no thank you for your bitterness and go touch some grass.
Congratulations on finishing Fellowship!! So looking forward to the Two Towers and Return of the King!! deep gratitude to you for making this series! It's a treat for all of us! So glad I found my way on to the ride!
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Thanks for doing this series! i finished reading the books right as i found the series so it’s been a great way to reflect upon the difference as before this summer i had only watched the movies! also double thanks for adding my comment from a previous video about Boromir’s gold belt!!
I can understand why the other changes made to battles on the the other movies, the Elves at the Hornburg, the loss at the gate, and the dead army changes, Osgiliath, Farimirs suicide charge and I can understand the reasons. But the change I absolutely love is the end of the Fellowship of the Ring. Giving Aragorn the choice of giving up the ring, fighting the Urikia with Legolas and Gimli and the scene with Boromir. It gives Aragorn so much more introducing the audience to how badass a character he actually is.
I'd have enjoyed a monologue about the ring of Barahir along with it history & it being the only ring Aragon requires honestly. Even if it should've already been on the finger of Arwen.
@@jt5765 Elrond said in the book "For nothimg less the restored King of Arnor and Gondor" would be give his blessing to a Union and not yo enter a brthrothal until you fulfill or fail your destiny
“I wish the ring had never come to me” and Gandalf’s reply that Frodo recalled before getting on the boat was in the movie - convo in Moria at the three doors
I think adding the final fight for Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli was a smart move because it gives the audience an emotional high to go out on with Boromir's death because we see it happen. If they had done it like the book, people who know nothing would have been pissed that we didn't get to see anything.
Great video! Another change I heard about from Master Samwise was that Aragorn put on Boramir's wristbands at the funderal scene to honor and remember him. This was Viggo's idea. TFS❤
I was so disappointed we never got the Prince Imrahil of Dol Amroth. The films totally fluffed showing anyone else who the blood of Numenor still flowed strong in. Faramir should also have been depicted far superior to how he was.
@@jt5765 Elrond said it himself in the film: the blood and nobility of Numénor was all but spent. Even then, that genetic heritage did not automatically confer martial or intellectual superiority. Plenty of kings from Gondor and Arnor were, to put it gently, fools. Boromir and Faramir were great warriors, but no more or less than Eomer, for instance. Faramir's greatest gift was more subtle: wisdom and strength of spirit. He rejected the Ring's tempatation and sent the Hobbits on their way, for instance. That had nothing to do with his heritage, but rather Faramir himself simply being amazing. Plus there's Eowyn, the woman who (with Merry's help) fought and slew the Witch King. Eowyn is bog standard human, but she bested a foe who even Gandalf and Aragorn couldn't beat. Not a drop of Numénorean blood in her veins, yet one of the great warriors of the age.
Boromoris “so much fear and doubt about a small thing” line isn’t at the council of Elrond but rather in the mountain when he picks up the ring isn’t it?
I always loved seeing Lurtz lick the dagger. Not because I have any love for Lurtz or licking of daggers, but because that is a reference to the books that is never spoken in the movies. Orc saliva is poisonous. Lurtz was poisoning Aragorn’s dagger, not tasting his own blood. I like to think that’s why Aragorn looked and moved so desperately when he deflected the knife. He knew what Lurtz was trying to do.
The other thing I would say is how overwhelmed Aragon is at this point, and that he is blaming himself for their current situation. I took think it is important that we hear someone telling Frodo to take off the ring, as he is almost discovered by Sauron. There points throughout that company almost fails. It is a fight the whole way.
In The Two Towers it’s also implied that Saruman is setting a kind of curse on them to give advantage to the Orcs while at the same bringing weariness and confusion on the pursuers.
One might add that the film has completely left out a rather large "conflict". Ever since Lothlórien, Boromir has tried several times and with several different angles and arguments to get both Frodo and the whole fellowship to decide to travel to Minas Tirith. Aragorn also mentions to Galadriel that they do not know Gandalf's intentions regarding the route, and that they will have to decide where to continue after Lothlórien. When they are given boats by the elves, the fellowship realizes that the gift is helping them postpone the decision on the route. Several times the reader is reminded that at the latest at the waterfall of Rauros they must decide to go towards Minas Tirith or directly towards Mordor. When they get there, it is said again: `The day has come at last,' [Aragorn] said: 'the day of choice which we have long delayed. What shall now become of our Company that has traveled so far in fellowship? Shall we turn west with Boromir and go to the wars of Gondor; or turn east to the Fear and Shadow; or shall we break our fellowship and go this way and that as each may choose? That is, so to speak, the great overriding question in the book ever since Gandalf's demise. In the film, they are in agreement and fully determined to continue towards Mordor. It is only during Frodo and Boromir's individual conversation that his intentions become clear. In the book, we have known his point of view for a long time.
I think Aragorn changes fit the character depending on the medium. In the film Aragorn is afraid of facing his destiny and tries to be the leader after Gandalf's passing, and this works for him as his decisions sound quite nice. And his events on Amon Hen prove that despite his fears, he can restrict himself from Sauron's influence, unlike Isildur. Then he proves himself as a great warrior, facing new batch of Uruks alone, without Narsil. Then he managed to outrun Legolas to help Boromir and facing multiple death situations in quick succession, managed to kill an Uruk chieftain and then have a good closure with Boromir, finally being called a King by the person who was one of those who didn't wanted a King. And willingly lets Frodo and goes to save Merry and Pippin. In the books, Aragorn is facing his fate straight on, boasts about the King of Gondor, bearing Narsil shards with him and then Narsil itself on the journey. But after Gandalf's passing he tries to take on as a leader, but his decisions are almost always miscalculated, misguided and filled with his own uncertainty of things. And on Amon Hen he misses Frodo despite tracking him, and completely managed to miss entire battle and recieved almost no information from Boromir on who exactly was taken and had no closure with him. Basically, those changes make unconfident and afraid Aragon to finally gain confidence to do the right things, meanwhile confident book Aragorn always faces the situations that tell him how flawed he is and not all-powerfull, even with reforged Narsil... Unless I misread his book character that is.
The thing is that Aragorn by this point in his life, is a fully competent Leader, Warrior and Ranger. So his actions in the books reflect that. The passing of Gandalf throws heavy doubts on him, especially as Gandalf did not tell him the plan for after Moria.
@@Thurgosh_OG Which fits my point still. Having 80 or so years of experience and failing as a leader for the Fellowship making him look less like a perfect man without a flaw, which he sets himself to be every time he introduces himself.
Thanks to you, I'm following your videos while listening to the audiobook on Audible and it's a TREAT! I already read LOTR many times but only in my mother tongue (French) but it's a delight to hear it in English from no one else than Andy Serkis. Keep up the amazing videos!
Lurtz was created for someone for Aragorn to fight as neither Sauron nor Saruman leaves their fortresses (the former barely ever appears in the story, only talked about despite being the title character).
This is also a good opportunity to mention that most of the scenes depicting Frodo in the shadow world have 1 minor mistake. Sauron could not automatically know that Frodo had the ring on. Rather, it was more like a beacon that Sauron could detect given enough time, but not within the milliseconds that the movie showed.
Makes sense. This also explains why he didn‘t find the ring when Bilbo used it, as he wasn‘t looking for it at the time and therefore wouldn‘t notice. At the time of The Lord of the Rings he was actively searching for it and knew roughly where to search for
Did you know that Tolkien didn't write 3 books originally? He wrote 6 books, but the publisher made him squeeze it into 3 books instead. The Two Towers for the second book was a name that Tolkien was never really fond of, and he could never really make up his mind either what the actual ''two towers'' were, as there are several towers in the LOTR universe that he could have picked from.
@@andyhighroller8217 Yeah. Yet in the first book cover that was actually drawn by Tolkien himself, one of the towers is Minas Morgul. But then again, Tolkien mentioned the reference of ''the towers'' later, and then mentioned some other towers aswell, and left out mentioning Minas Morgul. The actual names for the ''two books'' that makes up the second book were supposed to be ''The Treason of Isengard'' and ''The Ring Goes East''. With all this said, Tolkien himself did alot of ''back and forth'' almost in a retcon fashion at times, once claimed that Orcs were born from the earth itself, then he stated that ''Orcs were once Elves'' only to years later write in one of his scribbles on his notes; ''Change this: Orcs are not Elvish.''
To a large extent, the changes aren't improvements, but nor do they make things worse. They're needed adaptations to fit a new medium. Well... mostly. Jackson did seem to have something against the Stewards of Gondor. Aragorn keeping Boromir's secret kind of reminds me of Jane, from Firefly. "Don't tell them what I did. Make something up."
"To a large extent, the changes aren't improvements, but nor do they make things worse." No, the changes do make things worse. Much worse. "They're needed adaptations to fit a new medium." Film is not a new medium as opposed to an old medium.
@@jachyra9 Have to disagree with you. Yes, some things were made worse (Denethor). Some, I believe, were improved (such as Theoden). Film may be a well-established medium, but it was new to the story, in the sense that the story was not written for film. I think you know that's what I meant, but chose to misrepresent it.
@@kennethmiller2333 - "Some, I believe, were improved (such as Theoden)." All evidence to the contrary. Theoden is just one of many examples of Jackson not only needlessly changing characterization, but doing so in a particularly stupid way: by having characters behave falsely to themselves, presumably to fabricate conflict for its own sake. In the films, Theoden, immediately after grasping his sword, can't prepare for battle as he does in the novel. Instead, he decides to run away, then inexplicably recovers his nerve before engaging in the exact same battle in the book. Theoden also has the Rohirrim throw Wormtongue down the steps of Edoras, something Tolkien would have despised. Jackson's movies depict a Middle-earth where Boromir would be right in stealing the Ring. "Film may be a well-established medium, but it was new to the story, in the sense that the story was not written for film." Neither was The Hobbit, and yet Rankin/Bass produced a wonderful and faithful adaptation of it... in just eighty minutes.
@@jachyra9 You have confused your opinion for evidence. I prefer Theoden with a longer, more human arc. He's two steps forward, one step back until he's finally the king he feared he would never be. Your response regarding the medium of film is immaterial. You tried to dispute my point about film being a new medium to the story by insisting that film was not a new medium. Whether someone else did better or worse with the Hobbit has absolutely no bearing on that fact.
@@kennethmiller2333 - "You have confused your opinion for evidence." No. I haven't. What I described to you is exactly what happens in the film. "I prefer Theoden with a longer, more human arc." As opposed to a shorter, non-human arc? What??? "He's two steps forward, one step back until he's finally the king he feared he would never be." Which is ridiculous in addition to being uninspiring and time-wasting. "Your response regarding the medium of film is immaterial. You tried to dispute my point about film being a new medium to the story by insisting that film was not a new medium. Whether someone else did better or worse with the Hobbit has absolutely no bearing on that fact." I don't think you understand immateriality.
The one key bit I miss from the movie was Gandalf's voice telling Frodo to take off the Ring. Otherwise, I think Jackson's reinterpretation is justified or at least excusable for today's audiences and movie tropes. Perhaps of JRRT was around today, he might have written Aragorn a little more heroic and less "Noble Horse", which he was accused of decades ago.
It's a film, not 1/3 of a novel. All these changes make the ending of the film full of action and heroics. It's not just "Frodo and Sam run away". There are very few actual "villains" in LotR the novel. Characters like Lutrz are used to give the audience a villain to hate and see the heros beat. Otherwise it's just "some orcs". Aragorn, in the films, is given some self doubt, based on the failings of his ancestors. He overcomes this doubt and becomes king. It's character development that Tolkien didn't have at all.
"Aragorn, in the films, is given some self doubt, based on the failings of his ancestors. He overcomes this doubt and becomes king. It's character development that Tolkien didn't have at all." It's not character development. It's some unwashed thug acting like a weakling and a coward. Movie Aragorn always resorts to violence, when he's not inexplicably breaking up with his girlfriend. Not exactly the guy you'd vote Most Likely To Become King in high school.
@@jachyra9 you say that like a weakling/coward can't have character development...in the beginning of the films Aragorn was afraid of his heritage, and over the course of the films he learned to embrace it. thats character development. whether you like that Jackson changed aragorn in that way is irrelevant, its still development. also movie aragorn doesn't always choose violence...when the party first meet him he does some subterfuge to keep them away from the nazgul. when frodo gets stabbed he demonstrate his knowledge of nature/healing potential in treating it. in fact...aragorn basically never chooses violence. whenever he's does fight, its typically because he has to in order to defend himself or others...
20:35: You truly deserve all these views and clicks and subs! Can't wait for The two Towers series ❤I love that you love and appreciate both the books and the movies, which makes your videos even more enjoyable (at least for me)! I also love that you explain why PJ changed things and why sometimes it makes more sense for the big screen. As a huge fan of the movies, I always wondered about these things but never really looked into it. So many plot differences here! i wonder what it was like for someone who knows the books to see the movies for the first time. Thanks for the upload! What do you think about the 1300 hours of unused footage that are left? There are people out there who suggest releasing these extended extended versions (if they ever use this footage) as 3 mini series. That way, instead of three 5 or 6 hour movies, you could break them up into multiple episodes. I love that idea.
Thanks for your support! I am not sure how much of the 1300 hours is usable footage… I’d love to see the extended extended versions though. 👀 But I do think a lot of those hours are just takes on scenes we already have. A lot of people have pointed out in the comments though that they did film a lot of scenes that got cut. Things from the books that I’ve pointed out. So it would be interesting to see a version that includes every extra scene there is. 😮
The DVD sets of the films are an amazing lesson in how films are made. The 1300 hours you mention would still require demanding post production work, including voice recordings, soundtrack, and CGI.
The ending of Fellowship is my personal example for why it's not only allowed to make changes to Tolkiens works, but that it can also lead to improvements. While I obviously love the book and how the events play out in it, to me the movie did this part much better. This is also, as a result, why I approve of changes being made in the adaptations of Tolkien's works, since a different medium requires different takes on the same scenes. I don't think Frodo and Sam leaving without any interaction from the other fellowship members would've been right for the movie, just finding Boromir dead/near dead wouldn't be nearly as impactful, etc. The movie took good book moments and made them not only better IMO, but into some-of-the-most-iconic-movie-moments-in-history-better. True, it might not be what Tolkien envisioned when writing it, but I still think it became a better part of the story because of it.
damn, yea you cannot end the movie like this. It would be so anti climactic, and ppl would be pissed that boromir fought the uruks and aragorn sat there on the throne. As a tv show it can totally work. But as a movie, noooooooo
At 19:03 the dialogue between Frodo and Gandalf about living to see such times was spoken earlier in the movie too, though it was moved from Bag End to the Mines of Moria.
the "i wish the ring had never come to me" quote was actually moved to the mines of moria, rather than the shire, but it did happen in the movie...that is, unless that was a part that was restored in the extended edition. and boromirs quote about it being a strange fate to suffer over so small a thing was in that snow scene along with the "i care not"
My main gripe with The Fellowship of the Ring was the casting of Boromir and Aragorn. It's too obvious Boromir he's a villain. Someone like David Wenham (Faramir in the movies) would have fit the role better. A charismatic leader, liked by everyone (at least at first). For Aragorn, the opposite is true. Viggo Mortensen seems too gentle to be dangerous. Viggo would have been an excellent cast for Faramir, as the softer younger brother of Boromor. But for Aragorn, it's made clear that he (as Strider) comes off as dangerous-looking. For THIS role, Sean Bean's (Boromir in the movie) more scruffy appearance would be a perfect fit. He wouldn't earn his respect from natural charm, but instead earn it through consistent honourable action. (Possibly with some help from the Elfstone gifted to him by Galadriel). And if David Wenham wasn't available when making "The Fellowship", even just swapping Mortensen and Bean would have been a great improvement. Boromir is supposed to be the charismatic one, while Aragorn was the one that had to earn respect through his actions, not just from his appearance.
No disrespect to Tolkien--especially since we know he was a medievalist and not a modernist--but the movies tend to highlight his deficiencies as a storyteller. Comparing this last scene with the book really shows that Tolkien treats this scene as exposition...while Jackson treats it as drama. The difference is stark, and to such an extent that you wonder "What was Tolkien thinking?!" A lot of Jackson's changes are for film (a different medium than text), but they really find the import & weight of settings and moments that Tolkien just...doesn't..seem to notice. Or care about. I suppose it's hard to do drama in a medieval tone with Homeric character types, but still, the movie finds exactly the best way to display the information, while Tolkien staggers it. The films find the power of the subjective experience of the characters, which is why it's so immersive and effective. Tolkien probably finds such immersion to be tawdry and garish, which is why he eschews it, but it makes for a less powerful reading experience. And this is coming from someone who has an entire bookcase dedicated to Tolkien books, and many editions of The Holy Trilogy.
Frodo's flash back of Gandalf is in the movie from Moria. As they sit in the mines and wait for Gandalf to decide which of the three doors he wants to proceed through, and they also see Gollum, they have the discussion of "I wish none of this had happened to me" and "what to decide to do with the time you are given".
The book wasn't written with the intention of this being a cliffhanger. In hindsight, it's a shame the movies got boxed in to also making it a trilogy for marketing. Imagine if the first movie ended at the Dimrill Dale with three full movies yet to come. So much storytelling was lost the way they had to do it.
Aragorn's fight after Boromir's king of brings the energy of their epic back to back fight that was removed from the Moria, where they encounter an orc chieftain.
all these changes and moving around of lines makes this movie a whole other story than what JR wrote. I liked the movies. The were great but not as great s they could of been if they had cut so much out and moved so much dialog around it would of been a true masterpiece but as it is it is only great. For those who have not read me before I am 77. I read the books in 1960 ay age 12 for my first time. I reread them at 14, 16 and 18. After that my reading of them spread out a little more so that I have read them maybe 17b or 20 times more. The last being just this past June. I dont just reread the trilogy but all the books eh wrote and all his writing his son and Gson have put out. These are the only books I have ever reread so much. I dont reread many books but Jr wrote with such deepness that each time i read them I find something new.
I always had the impression even in the movie that all this action took place a good distance from each other. That's why everyone had to go searching for Frodo, no one could hear one another until they got much closer to each other, and it took a long time for people to find each other even after the horn sounded.
Wow that is a lot to take in. Perhaps this is me not having read the books, but I think the movie is a better end of book/movie one it fulfills a lot of slots it needs to when finishing a movie.
I can forgive the changes. He kept to the spirit of this section and told a story that was just as good as (and arguably better than) Tolkien's original.
One thing I don’t get from the books (without having read them) is if Aragorn is eager to be king, what stops him from doing so at anytime in the books? Isn’t this a plot hole? He’s been alive for almost a century, why hasn’t he made a claim to the throne?
One of his ancestors who had an easily proven claim was dismissed/turned away by the Gondor Stewards & people. Aragorn doesn't become king because of his lineage but because of his actions & leadership in the end.
I quite Aragorn's fight but the part with Frodo on Amon Hen, my favourite in the books, was terribly underwhelming, and him offering the Ring to Aragorn was really jarring and repetitive, after he had made the same offer to Galadriel.
Don’t tell, show. The LotR book is a masterpiece of this concept in writing. Strider, The Dúnedain, Aragorn son of Arathorn, King Elessar Telcontar of the Reunited Kingdom… In Tolkien’s world a King should never draw his sword unless he really has to. But back to the film, I loved it too. Jackson had to tell us how ‘heroic’ Aragorn was at the film’s finale… but there was no indecision as to where Aragorn was headed, always to Gondor.
When I first watched the movie I noticed the changes regarding Aragorn’s battle from the books. Normally I do not like major changes, but I’m ok with this one. It was a great battle and I think it was consistent with the story even if it wasn’t written by Tolkien. Also, it was an excellent scene for Aragorn. And I think a movie needs a little action to break up the dialogue.
For once, the changes in the final sequence all made sense for a movie adaption. In fact, the changes in Fellowship in general were OK for me except for a few exceptions. Now wait for my comments on Two Towers...
Well, Frodo and Sam don't cross the river before the others are fighting the uruk-hai. It's kind of hard to pinpoint the timeline exactly, but I'd say that Boromir blows his horn around the same time Sam falls under water and Frodo saves him. It might (sort of neatly) also explain why those two don't hear or notice the horn, which sounds so loud that it can even be heard down to Minas Tirith (although maybe that's more telepathic/magical, somehow in Tolkien's world) .
Gotta say, the ending of Fellowship was hands down the smartest adaptation change in film, if not the entire trilgoy. I remember going to see the film and thinking that moving the death of Boromir to the end of the first film would be better for a movie than using that event as the beginning of the second. So I felt very vindicated when I saw that's what Jackson did. At first I wasn't a big fan of the scene between Frodo and Aragorn, nor the entire fight sequence, but I came to accept them later on. It's true that having a bigger climatic moment followed by a more emotional pay off would be more satisfying to an audience that has just spent 3 hours with these characters, rather than an ending thought for a book in which the reader has a bigger say on the pace.
In the extended cut boromir is much more flashed out and amazingly written. His motivations etc become much clearer and it gets also quite clear that he is not some powerhungry moron or something he is even quite scared of the ring.
Honestly none of the changes that were made for the movie were bad. I didn't see anything there was that completely unforgiving and that 100% destroyed the lore. The timelapse in movies is done for obvious reasons. There is only so much time and you can't capture every single day and night. Your movie would be stupid long. LOTR is already long and they probably left another 2 or 3 hours on the editing floor.
For me it's not so much about lore as about focus. The ending of the Fellowship book concentrates on Frodo's decision to strike out on his own. The orc fight and Boromir's death are distractions from that, so Tolkien put them in the next book where he could put the focus on Aragorn. The movie's mixing all these together makes the ending thematically muddled.
@@nathanhughes8354 Actually they are not. Boromir's death is a significant point in the story. In fact, it was a pivotal moment in the story for Aragorn. It was pivotal for Frodo as well. Which would be shown later. For Aragorn it shows that the strength of men has not fallen and in fact needs his help and gives him the point to take up the crown as he promises Boromir that the White City will not fall. it is this moment that Frodo realizes that for success he has to leave the fellowship. I have doubts they would have all made it to Mordor unnoticed. At some point they would have tried to kill each other or Frodo for the Ring. It is also pivotal in the fact that Aragorn reclaims the title of King vs ranger. Sauron has an inate fear of the line of Aragorn. His master was destroyed by that line, he was beaten by that line, and Aragorn is more akin to Earindell in manner than Isildur.
It will be interesting to see how you cover The Two Towers and The Return of the King, since the movies jump between Frodo & Sam and the rest of the Fellowship. Whereas the books stick with one group for each half of the books.
This scene really illustrates one of my main dislikes of the movies, that being the fundamental shift in Aragorn's personality and goals. I prefer him as determined to go to Gondor, but then burdened with leading the fellowship and doubtful as to the correct course... Then after the breaking he doesn't know what happened for certain and has to make a horrible decision and seemingly abandon his original goal, which Boromir just asked him to do with his dying breath... This decision and it's potential consequences bother Aragorn for the first half of the next book... It's not a moody "i don't wanna grow up and be king, mankind sucks" self doubt, it's a proper doubt, he's not thinking about himself, he's thinking about others, his doubt is about the best way to help those who need it most. I also like that he also doesn't fight anyone... It's less satisfying in some ways, but I think the frustration of Boromir being overwhelmed while he was a mile away is far more what war is like...
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Full transparency: I had the flu and a fever for most of the production of this video. So pardon my voice and anything that might seem incoherent. 😂💀
You can slow down how fast you are speaking, you're not in any kind of race, and a bit slower would add towards our enjoyment.
Hay, remember to take care of yourself. This is a great series and I'm loving it, but I don't mind waiting for you to get over the flu to post the next episode. The flu sucks. Just maybe post something quick and simple telling us what's up, and I'm pretty sure anyone who's a decent person won't mind you missing a deadline. And you didn't seem particularly incoherent that I noticed.
I have one tiny suggestion. to maintain the theme, maybe say Duel, instead of one v one. It's the same thing but one sounds classy and the other sounds trite.
While Aragorn doesn't tell Frodo in the book "I would have gone with you to the very Fires of Mordor" he does say "I would have followed him to the very Fires of Mordor" to Legolas and Gimli after sending Boromir's boat down the Falls of Rauros.
And Frodo kept wearing the ring when he went to get a boat and sam doesn't see hime either until he was almost drowning and has an invisible hand catch his arm.
@@Stevie-L-n8g they could easily have used a green man as invisible Frodo grabbing Sam
Walsh: “Tolkien is an amateur writer”
Boyens: “And it’s not slick. He needed an editor.”
Jackson: “We definitely enhanced the dialogue.”
@reek4062 And horribly-casted all of the actors and actresses, like Cateblanshit, Seandumbasstin, Elijah Morning Wood/Frodosynthesis, Silly Soyd, etc, made every single one of characters queer, filmed all of the locations with crap modern lighting (instead of 35mm film photography, like in the first 3 seasons of ‘The X-Files’). Also they collude have brought Tony Gaulidi’s Balin’s Tomb illustration, and all of Paul Raymond Gregory’s, Luca Michellucci’s, and Ted Nasmith lotr art to the big screen while adapting six 5+ hour movies.
They could have at least filmed in one New Zealand Location/Amon Sul, Banks Peninsular. Why not also in Europe and the Eurasian Plains? Is it really that hard? Or are there, “too many Caucasians”, living there?
I’m really confused on whether this is sarcastic or not.
Everyone talks about Vigo’s toe in towers, but not about Sean Austin stepping on a shard of glass as he runs into the river for one take.
I guess because Viggo’s injury is in the finished film
@@ryan__5661 yeah it’s kinda hard to keep it in the film when Sean didn’t make it past the boats. It was in the extra footage on the extended dvds.
And that shard went deep and was really big toe 😅 yeah I would rather break my toe then step on that shard
Orlando Bloom fell of a horse and broke a rib. After getting patched up they all kept shooting.
Don’t worry I do lol
In the book, Frodo is seating on Amon Hen and Sauron is looking for him. But suddenly, there is another power, opposing Sauron that tries to help Frodo and tell him to take off the Ring. For a moment, those 2 opposing powers are equal and Frodo can make the decision for himself and he is taking off the Ring.
In the White Rider chapter in Two Towers, we learn from Gandalf the White that Frodo was in danger but that danger passed and Gandalf had a part in that too and then he was too tired from that fight. This opposing to Sauron power that helped Frodo take off the Ring at Amon Hen had to be the first action of Gandalf the White!
Ahhhh man that would've been amazing to see, but I can understand why it wasn't used in the movie.
No, Boromir says "is it not a strange fate that we should suffer so much fear and doubt for so small a thing" is said at Caradhras when Boromir holds the ring after Frodo falls down.
Ah I was late :D Probably the movie scene I heard the most often while trying to animate it xD
I thought the exact same thing and came to see if anyone else caught it too
I'm always frightened when Frodo sits in the seat of Amon Hen in the book. The films imply from the time Frodo puts the Ring on at the Prancing Pony, that Sauron can sort of zoom in on Frodo and speak to him when he wears the Ring. In the book, this is not the case. It's the act of sitting in the seat while wearing the Ring that makes Sauron aware of Frodo, and only when he turned his gaze towards Mordor. The way Tolkien describes Frodo’s near escape always makes me anxious.
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... Then at last his gaze was held: wall upon wall, battlement upon battlement, black, immeasurably strong, mountain of iron, gate of steel, tower of adamant, he saw it: Barad-dûr, Fortress of Sauron. All hope left him.
And suddenly he felt the Eye. There was an eye in the Dark Tower that did not sleep. He knew that it had become aware of his gaze. A fierce eager will was there. It leaped towards him; almost like a finger he felt it, searching for him. Very soon it would nail him down, know just exactly where he was. Amon Lhaw it touched. It glanced upon Tol Brandir - he threw himself from the seat, crouching, covering his head with his grey hood.
He heard himself crying out: _Never, never!_ Or was it: _Verily I come, I come to you_ ? He could not tell.
- _The Breaking of the Fellowship_
What makes that passage even cooler is that, when Gandalf reappears in *The Two Towers,* it is revealed that he played a hand in keeping Sauron from locating Frodo . . . and that it wasn’t easy for him.
A film is primarily a visual medium. Jackson, being an old horror man, chose to represent the "eye of Sauron" as terrifying visions that Frodo has when he puts on the One Ring and goes into the wraith world. It's really brilliant.
The Percy Jackson and the Lightning Thief adaptation: A film is primarily a visual medium. Do you idiots get the point already?
@@saberhamlinconmaverickknud4821 Are you OK?
2:47 when I was a kid this is when the game switched from live action to game cinematic and it was the most epic thing I’d ever seen as a that young. GameCube will forever live on in my heart
I remember that. The Narnia games did that too.
one of the best movie video games ever.
I actually love the mourning song made for Boromir that Aragorn, and Legolas sing, as it was presented by narrator Rob Inglis in the Recorded Books version.
The other stuff of what Frodo sees such as trolls coming down the mountains and even a foreshadowing for The Return of the King: the Corsairs of Umbar sail up the river to Pelargir was planned to be made. They shot all Frodo's shots but didn't complete the effects for it as Peter Jackson decided to just show Frodo see Barad Dûr and The Eye of Sauron. This is told by director in the Director and Writers commentary.
I would have loved to hear the voice urging Frodo to take off the ring. That with Aragorn seeing the eagle was perfect foreshadowing.
Yeah agreed. They could’ve used the same voice distortion they gave to gandalf when he first appears in the two towers as well to keep some suspense
Sorry, but I think it isn’t fair to Aragorn to say that in the books he is torn between going east with Frodo and helping him on his journey to Mount Doom, and going west and “claiming the crown of Gondor”. I think it is made quite clear in the books that Aragorn wanted to go to Gondor in the first place to help it in its struggle against the onslaught of Sauron’s forces. Yes, this time he was going there as Issildur’s heir and he did intend to eventually claim the crown, but his primary motivation is to try and save Minas Tirith from falling in the battles to come.
This is correct. Furthermore, Aragorn didn't want to go with Frodo because he pledged his loyalty: Elrond made sure no oaths were made when the Company set out from Rivendell. Rather, Aragorn wants to go with Frodo because he knows Frodo needs a guide. This turns out to be correct, although the guide ends up being Gollum, not himself.
I quite agree that the emphasis is wrong. I don’t think Aragorn was motivated by the possibility of becoming king, but rather a possibility of helping save the city. He wanted to “go with Boromir”. Both of them were committed to doing all they could to “save their people“.
Some comments are disgusting. PJ's trilogy is a masterpiece, and just because YOU don't like some of the changes doesn't make it a bad trilogy. It's because of bitter people like you that we end up with crap like Rings of Power. I LOVE these movies, because there are GOOD. So, no thank you for your bitterness and go touch some grass.
yes, the movies were really great/ The Amazon story falls behind the movies, but it is still entertaining. I cannot fault it so badly as some.
19:12 they do have that conversation actually but while resting in Moria, in the movie
Congratulations on finishing Fellowship!! So looking forward to the Two Towers and Return of the King!! deep gratitude to you for making this series! It's a treat for all of us! So glad I found my way on to the ride!
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Thanks for doing this series! i finished reading the books right as i found the series so it’s been a great way to reflect upon the difference as before this summer i had only watched the movies! also double thanks for adding my comment from a previous video about Boromir’s gold belt!!
I can understand why the other changes made to battles on the the other movies, the Elves at the Hornburg, the loss at the gate, and the dead army changes, Osgiliath, Farimirs suicide charge and I can understand the reasons. But the change I absolutely love is the end of the Fellowship of the Ring. Giving Aragorn the choice of giving up the ring, fighting the Urikia with Legolas and Gimli and the scene with Boromir. It gives Aragorn so much more introducing the audience to how badass a character he actually is.
Yesssss! Absolutely spot on!
I'd have enjoyed a monologue about the ring of Barahir along with it history & it being the only ring Aragon requires honestly. Even if it should've already been on the finger of Arwen.
@@jt5765 Elrond said in the book "For nothimg less the restored King of Arnor and Gondor" would be give his blessing to a Union and not yo enter a brthrothal until you fulfill or fail your destiny
“I wish the ring had never come to me” and Gandalf’s reply that Frodo recalled before getting on the boat was in the movie - convo in Moria at the three doors
I was always mad that Aragorn didn't have Anduril until the 3rd movie 😠. It'd be like Frodo receiving Sting just before entering Mordor!
As mad as you were about the ghosts solving all problems or the sons of Elrond/Rangers being cut?
@@donaldfarquar I HATE THAT GHOST ARMY! WTF WAS THAT BS! 🤬
I think adding the final fight for Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli was a smart move because it gives the audience an emotional high to go out on with Boromir's death because we see it happen. If they had done it like the book, people who know nothing would have been pissed that we didn't get to see anything.
"You left the East Wind to me,’ said Gimli, ‘but I will say naught of it."
Tolkien: not always the best storyteller...but man, what a fucking wordsmith.
Great video! Another change I heard about from Master Samwise was that Aragorn put on Boramir's wristbands at the funderal scene to honor and remember him. This was Viggo's idea. TFS❤
In the books, Aragorn gathered an army of Gondorian soldiers and princes. That was the most epic thing that never happened in PJ's movies.
I was so disappointed we never got the Prince Imrahil of Dol Amroth. The films totally fluffed showing anyone else who the blood of Numenor still flowed strong in. Faramir should also have been depicted far superior to how he was.
@@jt5765 Elrond said it himself in the film: the blood and nobility of Numénor was all but spent. Even then, that genetic heritage did not automatically confer martial or intellectual superiority. Plenty of kings from Gondor and Arnor were, to put it gently, fools. Boromir and Faramir were great warriors, but no more or less than Eomer, for instance. Faramir's greatest gift was more subtle: wisdom and strength of spirit. He rejected the Ring's tempatation and sent the Hobbits on their way, for instance. That had nothing to do with his heritage, but rather Faramir himself simply being amazing.
Plus there's Eowyn, the woman who (with Merry's help) fought and slew the Witch King. Eowyn is bog standard human, but she bested a foe who even Gandalf and Aragorn couldn't beat. Not a drop of Numénorean blood in her veins, yet one of the great warriors of the age.
Boromoris “so much fear and doubt about a small thing” line isn’t at the council of Elrond but rather in the mountain when he picks up the ring isn’t it?
That’s the movie
I'll say it, Pee-jay did it better. Lurtz was cool AF.
I would whatch this scene 1000 times to make ROP disapear .
What can men do against such reckless hate?
I always loved seeing Lurtz lick the dagger. Not because I have any love for Lurtz or licking of daggers, but because that is a reference to the books that is never spoken in the movies. Orc saliva is poisonous. Lurtz was poisoning Aragorn’s dagger, not tasting his own blood. I like to think that’s why Aragorn looked and moved so desperately when he deflected the knife. He knew what Lurtz was trying to do.
The other thing I would say is how overwhelmed Aragon is at this point, and that he is blaming himself for their current situation.
I took think it is important that we hear someone telling Frodo to take off the ring, as he is almost discovered by Sauron. There points throughout that company almost fails. It is a fight the whole way.
In The Two Towers it’s also implied that Saruman is setting a kind of curse on them to give advantage to the Orcs while at the same bringing weariness and confusion on the pursuers.
One might add that the film has completely left out a rather large "conflict". Ever since Lothlórien, Boromir has tried several times and with several different angles and arguments to get both Frodo and the whole fellowship to decide to travel to Minas Tirith. Aragorn also mentions to Galadriel that they do not know Gandalf's intentions regarding the route, and that they will have to decide where to continue after Lothlórien.
When they are given boats by the elves, the fellowship realizes that the gift is helping them postpone the decision on the route. Several times the reader is reminded that at the latest at the waterfall of Rauros they must decide to go towards Minas Tirith or directly towards Mordor.
When they get there, it is said again:
`The day has come at last,' [Aragorn] said: 'the day of choice which we have long delayed. What shall now become of our Company that has traveled so far in fellowship? Shall we turn west with Boromir and go to the wars of Gondor; or turn east to the Fear and Shadow; or shall we break our fellowship and go this way and that as each may choose?
That is, so to speak, the great overriding question in the book ever since Gandalf's demise.
In the film, they are in agreement and fully determined to continue towards Mordor. It is only during Frodo and Boromir's individual conversation that his intentions become clear. In the book, we have known his point of view for a long time.
In the extended edition Boromir gets into an argument with Aragorn at Lothlorien about taking the ring towards Minas Tirith
@@atrlawes98 Actually it was while they were traveling along the river
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I think Aragorn changes fit the character depending on the medium.
In the film Aragorn is afraid of facing his destiny and tries to be the leader after Gandalf's passing, and this works for him as his decisions sound quite nice. And his events on Amon Hen prove that despite his fears, he can restrict himself from Sauron's influence, unlike Isildur. Then he proves himself as a great warrior, facing new batch of Uruks alone, without Narsil. Then he managed to outrun Legolas to help Boromir and facing multiple death situations in quick succession, managed to kill an Uruk chieftain and then have a good closure with Boromir, finally being called a King by the person who was one of those who didn't wanted a King. And willingly lets Frodo and goes to save Merry and Pippin.
In the books, Aragorn is facing his fate straight on, boasts about the King of Gondor, bearing Narsil shards with him and then Narsil itself on the journey. But after Gandalf's passing he tries to take on as a leader, but his decisions are almost always miscalculated, misguided and filled with his own uncertainty of things. And on Amon Hen he misses Frodo despite tracking him, and completely managed to miss entire battle and recieved almost no information from Boromir on who exactly was taken and had no closure with him.
Basically, those changes make unconfident and afraid Aragon to finally gain confidence to do the right things, meanwhile confident book Aragorn always faces the situations that tell him how flawed he is and not all-powerfull, even with reforged Narsil... Unless I misread his book character that is.
The thing is that Aragorn by this point in his life, is a fully competent Leader, Warrior and Ranger. So his actions in the books reflect that. The passing of Gandalf throws heavy doubts on him, especially as Gandalf did not tell him the plan for after Moria.
@@Thurgosh_OG Which fits my point still. Having 80 or so years of experience and failing as a leader for the Fellowship making him look less like a perfect man without a flaw, which he sets himself to be every time he introduces himself.
Thanks to you, I'm following your videos while listening to the audiobook on Audible and it's a TREAT! I already read LOTR many times but only in my mother tongue (French) but it's a delight to hear it in English from no one else than Andy Serkis. Keep up the amazing videos!
That’s awesome! Thanks for watching!
Lurtz was created for someone for Aragorn to fight as neither Sauron nor Saruman leaves their fortresses (the former barely ever appears in the story, only talked about despite being the title character).
Tolkien never wanted to publish a trilogy, but there were publishing issues that forced the single novel to be broken up into separate parts.
No , the “fear and doubt “ line was moved to the attempt to cross the mountain pass before Moria.
This is also a good opportunity to mention that most of the scenes depicting Frodo in the shadow world have 1 minor mistake. Sauron could not automatically know that Frodo had the ring on. Rather, it was more like a beacon that Sauron could detect given enough time, but not within the milliseconds that the movie showed.
Makes sense. This also explains why he didn‘t find the ring when Bilbo used it, as he wasn‘t looking for it at the time and therefore wouldn‘t notice. At the time of The Lord of the Rings he was actively searching for it and knew roughly where to search for
The whole of Rings of Power never happened either
ROP Facebook ad had the nerve to say “ROP is doing for television what LOTR did for films.”
I wish the PJ films never happened either.
@reek4062 another crybaby purist
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Did you know that Tolkien didn't write 3 books originally? He wrote 6 books, but the publisher made him squeeze it into 3 books instead. The Two Towers for the second book was a name that Tolkien was never really fond of, and he could never really make up his mind either what the actual ''two towers'' were, as there are several towers in the LOTR universe that he could have picked from.
I’m pretty sure the fan consensus is it’s the Tower of Orthanc and Barad-dur, right?
@@andyhighroller8217 Yeah. Yet in the first book cover that was actually drawn by Tolkien himself, one of the towers is Minas Morgul. But then again, Tolkien mentioned the reference of ''the towers'' later, and then mentioned some other towers aswell, and left out mentioning Minas Morgul. The actual names for the ''two books'' that makes up the second book were supposed to be ''The Treason of Isengard'' and ''The Ring Goes East''. With all this said, Tolkien himself did alot of ''back and forth'' almost in a retcon fashion at times, once claimed that Orcs were born from the earth itself, then he stated that ''Orcs were once Elves'' only to years later write in one of his scribbles on his notes; ''Change this: Orcs are not Elvish.''
And he hated the return of the king as he thought it spoiled the book
He actually wanted it to be one book with 6 parts but paper at the time was super expensive.
To a large extent, the changes aren't improvements, but nor do they make things worse. They're needed adaptations to fit a new medium. Well... mostly. Jackson did seem to have something against the Stewards of Gondor.
Aragorn keeping Boromir's secret kind of reminds me of Jane, from Firefly. "Don't tell them what I did. Make something up."
"To a large extent, the changes aren't improvements, but nor do they make things worse."
No, the changes do make things worse. Much worse.
"They're needed adaptations to fit a new medium."
Film is not a new medium as opposed to an old medium.
@@jachyra9 Have to disagree with you. Yes, some things were made worse (Denethor). Some, I believe, were improved (such as Theoden).
Film may be a well-established medium, but it was new to the story, in the sense that the story was not written for film. I think you know that's what I meant, but chose to misrepresent it.
@@kennethmiller2333 - "Some, I believe, were improved (such as Theoden)."
All evidence to the contrary. Theoden is just one of many examples of Jackson not only needlessly changing characterization, but doing so in a particularly stupid way: by having characters behave falsely to themselves, presumably to fabricate conflict for its own sake. In the films, Theoden, immediately after grasping his sword, can't prepare for battle as he does in the novel. Instead, he decides to run away, then inexplicably recovers his nerve before engaging in the exact same battle in the book. Theoden also has the Rohirrim throw Wormtongue down the steps of Edoras, something Tolkien would have despised. Jackson's movies depict a Middle-earth where Boromir would be right in stealing the Ring.
"Film may be a well-established medium, but it was new to the story, in the sense that the story was not written for film."
Neither was The Hobbit, and yet Rankin/Bass produced a wonderful and faithful adaptation of it... in just eighty minutes.
@@jachyra9 You have confused your opinion for evidence. I prefer Theoden with a longer, more human arc. He's two steps forward, one step back until he's finally the king he feared he would never be.
Your response regarding the medium of film is immaterial. You tried to dispute my point about film being a new medium to the story by insisting that film was not a new medium. Whether someone else did better or worse with the Hobbit has absolutely no bearing on that fact.
@@kennethmiller2333 - "You have confused your opinion for evidence."
No. I haven't. What I described to you is exactly what happens in the film.
"I prefer Theoden with a longer, more human arc."
As opposed to a shorter, non-human arc? What???
"He's two steps forward, one step back until he's finally the king he feared he would never be."
Which is ridiculous in addition to being uninspiring and time-wasting.
"Your response regarding the medium of film is immaterial. You tried to dispute my point about film being a new medium to the story by insisting that film was not a new medium. Whether someone else did better or worse with the Hobbit has absolutely no bearing on that fact."
I don't think you understand immateriality.
So basically Borimir, Merry and Pippin are the only ones who fought any orcs that day.
No, Legolas and Gimli also fought many orcs in the woods but they arrived too late to help Boromir when they heard the horn.
So they made Boromir fall for the ring much earlier by moving Tolkiens dialogs to earlier scenes. Pretty smart actually
The one key bit I miss from the movie was Gandalf's voice telling Frodo to take off the Ring. Otherwise, I think Jackson's reinterpretation is justified or at least excusable for today's audiences and movie tropes. Perhaps of JRRT was around today, he might have written Aragorn a little more heroic and less "Noble Horse", which he was accused of decades ago.
If Tolkien was around today, he would tell you that Aragorn is the epitome of heroic.
So what??....I don't think you can do better.
It's a film, not 1/3 of a novel. All these changes make the ending of the film full of action and heroics. It's not just "Frodo and Sam run away".
There are very few actual "villains" in LotR the novel. Characters like Lutrz are used to give the audience a villain to hate and see the heros beat. Otherwise it's just "some orcs".
Aragorn, in the films, is given some self doubt, based on the failings of his ancestors. He overcomes this doubt and becomes king. It's character development that Tolkien didn't have at all.
"Aragorn, in the films, is given some self doubt, based on the failings of his ancestors. He overcomes this doubt and becomes king. It's character development that Tolkien didn't have at all."
It's not character development. It's some unwashed thug acting like a weakling and a coward. Movie Aragorn always resorts to violence, when he's not inexplicably breaking up with his girlfriend. Not exactly the guy you'd vote Most Likely To Become King in high school.
@@jachyra9 you say that like a weakling/coward can't have character development...in the beginning of the films Aragorn was afraid of his heritage, and over the course of the films he learned to embrace it. thats character development. whether you like that Jackson changed aragorn in that way is irrelevant, its still development.
also movie aragorn doesn't always choose violence...when the party first meet him he does some subterfuge to keep them away from the nazgul. when frodo gets stabbed he demonstrate his knowledge of nature/healing potential in treating it. in fact...aragorn basically never chooses violence. whenever he's does fight, its typically because he has to in order to defend himself or others...
20:35: You truly deserve all these views and clicks and subs! Can't wait for The two Towers series ❤I love that you love and appreciate both the books and the movies, which makes your videos even more enjoyable (at least for me)! I also love that you explain why PJ changed things and why sometimes it makes more sense for the big screen. As a huge fan of the movies, I always wondered about these things but never really looked into it. So many plot differences here! i wonder what it was like for someone who knows the books to see the movies for the first time. Thanks for the upload!
What do you think about the 1300 hours of unused footage that are left? There are people out there who suggest releasing these extended extended versions (if they ever use this footage) as 3 mini series. That way, instead of three 5 or 6 hour movies, you could break them up into multiple episodes. I love that idea.
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I am not sure how much of the 1300 hours is usable footage… I’d love to see the extended extended versions though. 👀 But I do think a lot of those hours are just takes on scenes we already have. A lot of people have pointed out in the comments though that they did film a lot of scenes that got cut. Things from the books that I’ve pointed out. So it would be interesting to see a version that includes every extra scene there is. 😮
The DVD sets of the films are an amazing lesson in how films are made. The 1300 hours you mention would still require demanding post production work, including voice recordings, soundtrack, and CGI.
The ending of Fellowship is my personal example for why it's not only allowed to make changes to Tolkiens works, but that it can also lead to improvements. While I obviously love the book and how the events play out in it, to me the movie did this part much better. This is also, as a result, why I approve of changes being made in the adaptations of Tolkien's works, since a different medium requires different takes on the same scenes. I don't think Frodo and Sam leaving without any interaction from the other fellowship members would've been right for the movie, just finding Boromir dead/near dead wouldn't be nearly as impactful, etc. The movie took good book moments and made them not only better IMO, but into some-of-the-most-iconic-movie-moments-in-history-better. True, it might not be what Tolkien envisioned when writing it, but I still think it became a better part of the story because of it.
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damn, yea you cannot end the movie like this. It would be so anti climactic, and ppl would be pissed that boromir fought the uruks and aragorn sat there on the throne. As a tv show it can totally work. But as a movie, noooooooo
At 19:03 the dialogue between Frodo and Gandalf about living to see such times was spoken earlier in the movie too, though it was moved from Bag End to the Mines of Moria.
the "i wish the ring had never come to me" quote was actually moved to the mines of moria, rather than the shire, but it did happen in the movie...that is, unless that was a part that was restored in the extended edition.
and boromirs quote about it being a strange fate to suffer over so small a thing was in that snow scene along with the "i care not"
My main gripe with The Fellowship of the Ring was the casting of Boromir and Aragorn. It's too obvious Boromir he's a villain. Someone like David Wenham (Faramir in the movies) would have fit the role better. A charismatic leader, liked by everyone (at least at first).
For Aragorn, the opposite is true. Viggo Mortensen seems too gentle to be dangerous. Viggo would have been an excellent cast for Faramir, as the softer younger brother of Boromor.
But for Aragorn, it's made clear that he (as Strider) comes off as dangerous-looking. For THIS role, Sean Bean's (Boromir in the movie) more scruffy appearance would be a perfect fit. He wouldn't earn his respect from natural charm, but instead earn it through consistent honourable action. (Possibly with some help from the Elfstone gifted to him by Galadriel).
And if David Wenham wasn't available when making "The Fellowship", even just swapping Mortensen and Bean would have been a great improvement. Boromir is supposed to be the charismatic one, while Aragorn was the one that had to earn respect through his actions, not just from his appearance.
No disrespect to Tolkien--especially since we know he was a medievalist and not a modernist--but the movies tend to highlight his deficiencies as a storyteller. Comparing this last scene with the book really shows that Tolkien treats this scene as exposition...while Jackson treats it as drama. The difference is stark, and to such an extent that you wonder "What was Tolkien thinking?!" A lot of Jackson's changes are for film (a different medium than text), but they really find the import & weight of settings and moments that Tolkien just...doesn't..seem to notice. Or care about.
I suppose it's hard to do drama in a medieval tone with Homeric character types, but still, the movie finds exactly the best way to display the information, while Tolkien staggers it. The films find the power of the subjective experience of the characters, which is why it's so immersive and effective. Tolkien probably finds such immersion to be tawdry and garish, which is why he eschews it, but it makes for a less powerful reading experience.
And this is coming from someone who has an entire bookcase dedicated to Tolkien books, and many editions of The Holy Trilogy.
Frodo's flash back of Gandalf is in the movie from Moria. As they sit in the mines and wait for Gandalf to decide which of the three doors he wants to proceed through, and they also see Gollum, they have the discussion of "I wish none of this had happened to me" and "what to decide to do with the time you are given".
Some movies are faithful to the book, some movies are faithful to the character.
"improvement or mistake"
orrrr it can be neither and just a good change for THAT adaptation. it doesnt have to be black or white...
The book wasn't written with the intention of this being a cliffhanger.
In hindsight, it's a shame the movies got boxed in to also making it a trilogy for marketing.
Imagine if the first movie ended at the Dimrill Dale with three full movies yet to come.
So much storytelling was lost the way they had to do it.
Aragorn's fight after Boromir's king of brings the energy of their epic back to back fight that was removed from the Moria, where they encounter an orc chieftain.
all these changes and moving around of lines makes this movie a whole other story than what JR wrote. I liked the movies. The were great but not as great s they could of been if they had cut so much out and moved so much dialog around it would of been a true masterpiece but as it is it is only great.
For those who have not read me before I am 77. I read the books in 1960 ay age 12 for my first time. I reread them at 14, 16 and 18. After that my reading of them spread out a little more so that I have read them maybe 17b or 20 times more. The last being just this past June. I dont just reread the trilogy but all the books eh wrote and all his writing his son and Gson have put out. These are the only books I have ever reread so much. I dont reread many books but Jr wrote with such deepness that each time i read them I find something new.
I don’t think anyone would say these are “faithful” adaptations, but they’re really really “good” adaptations.
Let's see, whether anyone here is Czech and saw Pár pařmenů:
"Plíšek říká, že brzy umřu. Sbírám si klacky na rakev."
Vládnoucí mikročip...
And let's see if anyone has seen the historical production by Gothmog's Brothers:
"Ale ten bojoval s náma.." - "Jo? Boromire, neumírej - umřel!"
‘What actually happened.’
Dude, none of this actually happened.
Change 24: In the book, Sam doesn't cut his foot running into the river after Frodo #lotrfilmfactsyoucantkeeptoyourself
I always had the impression even in the movie that all this action took place a good distance from each other. That's why everyone had to go searching for Frodo, no one could hear one another until they got much closer to each other, and it took a long time for people to find each other even after the horn sounded.
PJ changes makes for epic Cinema, personally i think a direct copy of the books would have made for a dryer film in places and visa versa
It’s amazing how much better this is than Rings of Power. It actually makes me emotional when I am reminded how bad RoP is.
Sad that the fanboys don't complain he stick to the source material... but when it has to do with racial diversity they loose their minds !🤣🤣🤣
Wow that is a lot to take in. Perhaps this is me not having read the books, but I think the movie is a better end of book/movie one it fulfills a lot of slots it needs to when finishing a movie.
I can forgive the changes. He kept to the spirit of this section and told a story that was just as good as (and arguably better than) Tolkien's original.
Took you over 6 minutes to actually talk about the subject matter. Wild
Wow. This one really got discombobulated in the movies.
i really dont gaf, aragorn is so badass in movies and him and legolas and gandalf was always my favss growing up ! AND SAM !!
I'm totally certain that Aragon's "you cannot weild it" line is the best part
Great stuff.
First time viewer. Giant middle earth lover.
Nothing Jackson done was an improvement
A promise. That part of the movie always gets me. Sam is the best.
This part is my aboslute favourite in the books.
It’s more of an adaptation than making up the whole thing.
I hate how they let Aragorn overshadow Boromir here =/
So hoary changes in the Fellowship were there altogether…?
One thing I don’t get from the books (without having read them) is if Aragorn is eager to be king, what stops him from doing so at anytime in the books? Isn’t this a plot hole?
He’s been alive for almost a century, why hasn’t he made a claim to the throne?
One of his ancestors who had an easily proven claim was dismissed/turned away by the Gondor Stewards & people. Aragorn doesn't become king because of his lineage but because of his actions & leadership in the end.
At least any changes in this trilogy were generally sensible enough
Not in the least. Only someone who didn't understand The Lord of the Rings would make the changes that Jackson made.
Peter Jackson is a hack
Eh, maybe the changes in Fellow were generally sensible, but they often get less sensible in the 2nd and 3rd parts.
Many things wrong with this video.
As much as jackson respected the lore, theres no way to do everything the same as the books. Theres lots of stuff he added that wasnt in the books
Except Jackson didn't respect the lore, or anything else.
True but was an epic fight scene
I quite Aragorn's fight but the part with Frodo on Amon Hen, my favourite in the books, was terribly underwhelming, and him offering the Ring to Aragorn was really jarring and repetitive, after he had made the same offer to Galadriel.
Don’t tell, show.
The LotR book is a masterpiece of this concept in writing. Strider, The Dúnedain, Aragorn son of Arathorn, King Elessar Telcontar of the Reunited Kingdom… In Tolkien’s world a King should never draw his sword unless he really has to.
But back to the film, I loved it too. Jackson had to tell us how ‘heroic’ Aragorn was at the film’s finale… but there was no indecision as to where Aragorn was headed, always to Gondor.
When I first watched the movie I noticed the changes regarding Aragorn’s battle from the books. Normally I do not like major changes, but I’m ok with this one. It was a great battle and I think it was consistent with the story even if it wasn’t written by Tolkien. Also, it was an excellent scene for Aragorn. And I think a movie needs a little action to break up the dialogue.
For once, the changes in the final sequence all made sense for a movie adaption. In fact, the changes in Fellowship in general were OK for me except for a few exceptions.
Now wait for my comments on Two Towers...
Well, Frodo and Sam don't cross the river before the others are fighting the uruk-hai. It's kind of hard to pinpoint the timeline exactly, but I'd say that Boromir blows his horn around the same time Sam falls under water and Frodo saves him. It might (sort of neatly) also explain why those two don't hear or notice the horn, which sounds so loud that it can even be heard down to Minas Tirith (although maybe that's more telepathic/magical, somehow in Tolkien's world) .
I think you should include dialogue as a comparison as I remember Boromir's conversation being remarkably faithful
Gotta say, the ending of Fellowship was hands down the smartest adaptation change in film, if not the entire trilgoy.
I remember going to see the film and thinking that moving the death of Boromir to the end of the first film would be better for a movie than using that event as the beginning of the second. So I felt very vindicated when I saw that's what Jackson did.
At first I wasn't a big fan of the scene between Frodo and Aragorn, nor the entire fight sequence, but I came to accept them later on. It's true that having a bigger climatic moment followed by a more emotional pay off would be more satisfying to an audience that has just spent 3 hours with these characters, rather than an ending thought for a book in which the reader has a bigger say on the pace.
In the extended cut boromir is much more flashed out and amazingly written. His motivations etc become much clearer and it gets also quite clear that he is not some powerhungry moron or something he is even quite scared of the ring.
Well… the whole thing is fiction to begin with… I just enjoy the movies for what they are… which is EPIC!
Thank you for this. I’m rereading but have actually stopped now until you catch up on Two Towers as it’s nice to do this together. 😊
Honestly none of the changes that were made for the movie were bad. I didn't see anything there was that completely unforgiving and that 100% destroyed the lore. The timelapse in movies is done for obvious reasons. There is only so much time and you can't capture every single day and night. Your movie would be stupid long.
LOTR is already long and they probably left another 2 or 3 hours on the editing floor.
For me it's not so much about lore as about focus. The ending of the Fellowship book concentrates on Frodo's decision to strike out on his own. The orc fight and Boromir's death are distractions from that, so Tolkien put them in the next book where he could put the focus on Aragorn. The movie's mixing all these together makes the ending thematically muddled.
@@nathanhughes8354 Actually they are not. Boromir's death is a significant point in the story. In fact, it was a pivotal moment in the story for Aragorn. It was pivotal for Frodo as well. Which would be shown later.
For Aragorn it shows that the strength of men has not fallen and in fact needs his help and gives him the point to take up the crown as he promises Boromir that the White City will not fall.
it is this moment that Frodo realizes that for success he has to leave the fellowship. I have doubts they would have all made it to Mordor unnoticed. At some point they would have tried to kill each other or Frodo for the Ring.
It is also pivotal in the fact that Aragorn reclaims the title of King vs ranger. Sauron has an inate fear of the line of Aragorn. His master was destroyed by that line, he was beaten by that line, and Aragorn is more akin to Earindell in manner than Isildur.
It will be interesting to see how you cover The Two Towers and The Return of the King, since the movies jump between Frodo & Sam and the rest of the Fellowship. Whereas the books stick with one group for each half of the books.
I'm a recent subscriber; I'll be going back to catch up. Great videos.
Great stuff! Detailed and specific, but very well presented and consistent.
Thank you for your work.
This scene really illustrates one of my main dislikes of the movies, that being the fundamental shift in Aragorn's personality and goals. I prefer him as determined to go to Gondor, but then burdened with leading the fellowship and doubtful as to the correct course... Then after the breaking he doesn't know what happened for certain and has to make a horrible decision and seemingly abandon his original goal, which Boromir just asked him to do with his dying breath... This decision and it's potential consequences bother Aragorn for the first half of the next book... It's not a moody "i don't wanna grow up and be king, mankind sucks" self doubt, it's a proper doubt, he's not thinking about himself, he's thinking about others, his doubt is about the best way to help those who need it most. I also like that he also doesn't fight anyone... It's less satisfying in some ways, but I think the frustration of Boromir being overwhelmed while he was a mile away is far more what war is like...
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At 21:00 you repeat the "spoils of Boromir's defeated enemies."
It's mentioned three sentences earlier. Nice video.