Neutral Evil D&D Alignment Done Right Segment #9
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- Опубликовано: 19 авг 2024
- Alignment Done Right is finally back, and with the lowdown on Neutral Evil. Will the unexpected example infuriate you like never before? Watch and found out in this exciting episode of Alignment Done Right! Oh, and some funny bloopers from the excessive amount that accompanied the creation of this long overdue video.
![Chaotic Neutral [What's in It for me?]](/img/1.gif)
True Neutral doesn't care if a video is made or not. That is the lesson.
He gave a heart react...that means he isn't dead!
@@loganbyrd2024 Indeed.
@@viceverse11 He had me wondering. He became a father, last I heard.
Personally, my opinion of the Neutral Evil character is that they are the quintessential pragmatist, contrasting with Chaotic Evil being the darkly impulsive hedonist and Lawful Evil being the by-the-book tyrant. If Chaotic Evil has no rules or rules they commonly ignore in fits of rage and Lawful Evil strictly follows external rules or a persona code to hep them get what they want, I envision Neutral Evil as having a personal code that is broad and easily bent to interpret it towards their own ends. Just being Chaotic or Evil on its own doesn't necessarily mean someone is without rules or a basic code of conduct, that just changes how a character structures and enforces it.
Thank you, finally an explanation that my alignment-averse mind can actually process!
Its 2019 and i'm still waiting on the true neutral vid.
He seems convinced if the above post is too go off of that a shprt reply will now suffice.
It's 2020 and I just watched all of these and I also need true neutral!
@@generallykaiden it's almost 2021 and im also still waiting
Isn't it just neutral without any good or evil deeds? You always take a twilight position?
@@Mystra No you can think of Lawful as conviction and Good or evil as Selfless and Selfish. For example Darth Vader is Lawful Neutral. Let that sink in. I will leave you to process that and deal with the upcoming metal breakdown you will experience as all of your reality and what you believed to be true shatters before your eyes and turns to dust at your feet.
Yknow, till this series I always struggled with any of the evil alignments, but with these it's makign sense. As a Monk (3.5) main, the Lawful Evil was the one that really threw me for a loop
Hi Dan, I really liked your alignment series and wanted to thank you for the great videos. I also saw that it has been quite a few years since you posted anything and I hope that you are doing well. Life can really kick you when you're down but I wanted to let you know that I will be subscribed and waiting for you if you ever start youtubeing again. Stay safe!
He became a dad.
No True Neutral??? I'm sad.
Magnymbus
It will probably be covered if Dan sticks to what was said at the end of the video.
He had a baby.
I consider True Nuetral the most dangerous alignment. They do the things good people can't or won't do. They are not bound to ideals or morals but rather they just do what needs to be done. These are the types of heroes villains are afraid of because they have no moral weaknesses to exploit and will sacrifice just about anything to get the job done. While they keep their loyalty's few they can be fiercely loyal allies. They are unlikely to abandon their allies unless there is no way out and they know if they don't turn back they will die. They will self-sacrifice.
2022 and I’m still getting my eardrums blasted by the outro
We need that last video to complete the series!
After that, how about a series dealing with D&D classes? (Warrior, Wizard, Thief, Monk, etc.)
If there's one example of a player-friendly ambiguously-principled but definitely-selfish hero archetype that I can think of, it would have to be the glory-seeking archetype that desires the attention of others.
I was assigned Neutral Evil and I argued how I wasn't evil, I was right. So self centered until they said, that's what a neutral evil would think. Then it hit me, I'm an asshole and never new. But I am right.
Holy shit that comment drove neutral evil home for me thanks!
Once again I stayed up all night waiting for this and fell asleep at sunrise...Dan I love you but you're no good for my health
Still waiting for the True Neutral ;)
I don't fully agree on every example but the basics principles are there. Some examples are a bit far fetch but the logic behind your choice is well made. I do wish that my players could understand English, i'd definitely would recommend that they Watch your videos.
Out of curiosity, what language do your players speak?
I think I would classify her as Chaotic Neutral in that her goal is to be free from the restraints of the society that exist during dragon age origins. Her main goal is to remain free from the circle and because of this she has a great deal of distrust for other people and a hatred for templars and the chantry. Her solution to this dilemma is to hide out in the wilderness and refrain from contact with people who might turn her over to the circle
Yes shes not malicious, she doesnt intend to harm others, she just regards them, as individuals, to be responsible for preventing harm from happening to themselves. I also disagree that she's evil, I figured she was true neutral.
Even in the end she secures a plan to save the world, and the protagonist, and civilization- but asks a price for it because she wants to run an experiment. She runs that experiment and follows through with her agreement- and then just plain leaves the world to take care of itself.
That strikes me as true neutral.
Five years later.... biggest cliff hanger
Damn I was really looking forward to that True Neutral video...
My opinion is that no human could ever be truly True Neutral, so I was anxious to hear his thoughts on it.
Glad I stayed until the end. Bloopers are hilarious.
I've heard neutral evil as being interpreted as sort of being like that of a predator or like that of a lion that kills and eats a gazelle.Neutrally evil individuals as opposed to Chaotically evil individuals don't really do what there doing simply for the sake of simply being malicious or for trying to create as much destruction or chaos as possible but they mainly do what they do because of the fact that they have a specific goal, agenda or necessity which is not really connected with simply trying to maliciously create as much destruction,pain and suffering that the shear extent of there power would allow.
So, coming back from Segment #10 True Neutral, I am left wondering what characters from Fireflv season 2 would fit Dan's description. Just something to ponder as I sit here listening to the finale of The Art of the Fugue.
So... how's that True Neutral vid coming? Can't wait to see it!
+Chad Picard Its...coming. I can't deny the loss of my computer has hurt our production schedule, and it couldn't have come at a worse time. But keep the faith, guild member, keep the faith!
***** Sorry to hear of your technical difficulties. *that's* something I can sympathize with.
I'll keep myself busy til it comes out, then! ^_^
+GuildMasterDan
That sucks. Well, I myself am looking forward to it when you finish. You definitely got a new sub from me.
Though, I do hope that you will have the sound more balanced in future videos. It's my only nitpick with your videos.
Neko Vermillion
I don't think anyone would disagree with you about the audio. It's much worse at the start of the series (the worst in Chaotic Neutral), but I like to think it's improved over the course. ^^
+GuildMasterDan Awww clearly your computer was Lawful Good sacrificing itself for the principle of not aiding you in finishing this series. Was that right Senpai?
Worf is Lawful Good in action, Chaotic Good in temperament
4:45 damn, I wasn't loud enough!
+Koospa Was listening to the video with headphones while browsing another tab and this scared the hell out of me haha
honestly, what about true neutral? Just saying its been a while since even the messages I have seen about your computer/moving. Soooo just curious on the discussion.
However I do think you met the message of your series. Giving an example mindset that is not only more thought out and caring about character creation / more utilizing the possibilities and promoting not creating half baked lazy characters. But also giving more freedom to the player through examples and reasoning to use, so that their character is more story driven then mechanical.
I say this cause my friend trying to get me into dnd (just finished the character sheet so far, before i binge watched this series when I found it) he explained the chaotic-lawful/good-evil so lazily that the neutral parts sounded not boring per say, but lazy or just... Both things smashed together. and with him giving examples of actions in game, sounding more mechanical and making you constantly think of your specific actions not matching since it was so narrow and suffer a DM penalty for alignment changes. This will permit not only thought out characters, but freedom. also something Ill point out to him not only for the mindset, but also in the darn handbook he gave me. that not all actions have to match alignment (which when he introduced alignment he prohibited chaotic evil, because it meant "if you dont refuse help and slaughter everyone. you failed your alignment and are in the more generic brand chaotic neutral).
anyway I loved the series, and even though I get the teaching of a mindset interpretation, I am interested in the examples you will give out.
it could be argued Morgan shifts towards true neutral when romanced especially if you take the fallow branch of the witch hunt DLC as she's shown to be a bit less selfish that said one could also argue she does so for completely selfish reasons the loyalty of a powerful and influential mate and the safety of her old God son
The problem is that Morrigan is capable of love, which is what complicates the whole thing. Dragon Age was meant to be a shades of grey-type of game though which is why pinning down her alignment is not supposed to be so simple. In an unused dialogue, for example, she's supposed to become emotional when she realizes that the grey warden has decided to shoulder the burden of killing the archdemon him/herself (regardless of romance, as long as your friendship with her is high enough).
The best you could say is that she has a tendency for being Neutral Evil. That's really the best you can do with complicated characters like her.
True enough which is one of the major problems with the alignment system, or our perception of it, to begin with. That said the point of the video was to categorize people based on an objective criteria as opposed to a subjective one in this case evil= selfishness so by that standard her being less selfish would make her less evil
i went to wash dishes and then suddenly randomness happens. I am washing my dishes and thinking "wtf is going on!"
Videos need unrelated comments like yours to give the ''spice''.
My NE Definition:
- One that pursues acts of malevolence for self.
- What most are called: The Villain.
- Examples: Lord Voldemort, Darth Sidious, Mortimer Mouse, Dick Dastardly, Indominus, etc.
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I disagree with that Morrigan is Neutral Evil, she lacks sense of pragmatism of neutral evil and values idea of independence and impulsive cruelty over things that would be beneficiary.She argued that you should kill mages in tower just on basis that they couldn't or wouldn't obtain freedom on their own, instead just using them as a tool to achive own goals like neutral evil would.She, also approves of pointless murder at expense of reward.
She is chaotic evil in my eyes, with possible shift to chaotic neutral later in the series. Her emphasis on independence and freedom put her in chaotic territory as it isn't balanced by any kind of lawful behavior, while her cruelty and selfishness in evil.
Am I the only person who thinks the intro music is rad?
I guessed Kefca would be in this video by my musings, but Morgan I didn't guess simply because I don't know anything about Dragon Age
Is there a true neutral video? I can't find it.
He hasn't done it. He may not do it.
Were looking forward to it. He made some very interesting videos and cases.
*3 years later*
Can a neutral evil character care of someone like his followers but consider others as insignificant and sacrificial pawns?
Absolutely. Though, usually very limited and because they view them with feelings of possession.
Ok, so like a slave master taking good care of his slaves, but he's doing it because they're HIS slaves. Other slaves are just meat.?
@@GuildmasterDan BUT WHAT IF THE NEUTRAL EVIL WANTS TO VALUE THEM SO THEY CAN SERVE THEM MORE WHILE GIVING THEM SOMETHING IN RETURN BECAUSE BRIBING GETS YOU FURTHER AHEAD AND WHAT YOU WANT
True neutral is such a difficult topic he wasn't even compelled enough to make a video for it
Is it really that complicated though? To me it's simply never taking sides. Unless you are forced to then you choose what most makes sene to you without caring if it's good or evil. It's neutral but without being evil or good. It's just hard to write a character like that without them being boring.
FINISH IIITTTTTT! FINISH IIITTTTTT NNNNNNNOOOOOWWWWWWW! !!! please?
I'm thinking of doing a similar series specifically for Palladium Alignments because Palladium works slightly different then D&D and instead of using characters from pop culture I'll build a hypothetical character as an example (All Mutant Animals of course cuz that's how I roll) I won't do the alignments in any particular order, and I think I'll do miscreant frst
+Eclair Franken
That's interesting.
Song name - Fairytale "Fairytale theme"
Crisp very crisp.
I still think that Kefka is chaotic evil, because his believes are contradictory and twisted.
once my party came across a lawful good god follower fighting a giant and getting his ass kicked. We killed the giant and he was on the ground thanking me profusely as I walked up to him without a word and slit his throat to loot him... my favorite character...
Aw man, wanted to see the true neutral vid.
I've always described it as such: Lawful Evil uses tradition and law to justify evil actions, Chaotic Evil use any methods necessary to satisfy their own base desires (whether it be hunger, libido, bloodlust, etc.), but a Neutral Evil person will use either one (whatever is convenient at the time) to cause the most evil. The Neutral Evil person could randomly kill civilians to terrorize a town, or frame a good leader for a crime to allow a tyrant to take over that town who will make its citizens miserable, whichever one will cause the most harm (maybe both).
From this aspect I can see why you used Kefka as an example, since he doesn't destroy the world immediately upon gaining power, he instead asks for tribute and worship in order to push the remaining people to the absolute depths of despair, just to mess with them. He could kill them at any time (and would to satisfy his urges if he were truly Chaotic), but instead leaves various towns alone so they can watch the world deteriorate. He doesn't care about ruling over them like Emperor Gestahl, he just wants to see them suffer. I'm not sure Morrigan belongs here, though that may be because of circumstances. She is extremely selfish, but helps good people because her own survival depends on it, and does not ally with bad people because of the same. Before she met the Warden she wasn't terrorizing the surrounding countryside, she more or less dealt with people like any extremely sheltered normal human would. Thus, I would say she is more True Neutral, although a very cynical one. Of course, her familial feelings about Flemeth (although less so after seeing the Grimoire), being romanceable and possibly having a son softens her edges quite a bit.
...Yep. That's Kefka all right. Most successful villain Square has ever created. Some of his goals were actually completed before the heroes take him out. The world is in ruins. Countless innocents are dead. There are no organized governments left intact. The espers are all dead. ...Shit's fucked... His only failure was causing everything to cease to exist. Including himself. Every other villain in the Final Fantasy series never even got that far. Aside from maybe Kuja since his initial goal was fairly simple: kill his creator. This he succeeded in. And then he went nuts because Garland. And had to be stopped before he pulled a Kefka. ...Ye gods, IX really was an homage to all of the earlier games...
If you can't tell, I'm a fan of the Final Fantasy series though I've not really enjoyed a game in the series since X. Maybe I'm being too picky? I dunno. I just haven't had fun with any of the newer games. No point in playing a game if it isn't fun. I don't care how pretty it's graphics are or how kickass the soundtrack is. If the game isn't fun then it's not worth my time.
As far as I am concerned:
Morrigan is someone Chaotic Neutral desperately playing at and pretending to be Neutral Evil (albeit not in those terms) even to herself, but when we meet her again in Dragon Age Inquisition, it's quite clear her efforts to convince herself have failed. Two much better examples of Neutral Evil in the Dragon Age setting would be Eramond, and Samson (Post Face-Heel turn).
As for Kefka, his combination of Nihilism and utter Caprice clearly place him as Chaotic Evil. Two much better examples of Neutral Evil in Final Fantasy III/VI would be Emperor Geshtal (who refrained from casual destruction only because it would have meant less land and fewer subjects to rule), and Pre Heel-Face turn Shadow, who in Part One had to be bribed with money in order to join the party of four even when he was lounging on Setzer's airship.
Question. I have a neutral evil king who will do the most cruel shit to anyone who dares harm his people. He does this mostly for selfish reasons. I was wondering if another person was attempting to convince the king to do more lawful acts like allow a person to stand and draw his weapon before slaying them would that cause his alignment to change to lawful evil? The person in question is of the lawful neutral mentality and is willing to work with anyone to achieve peace often using tyrannical methods to achieve her goals.
Finally. Was waiting for months
So, Kefka is neutral because he is BOTH lawful and chaotic, as opposed to being neither.
This video was published last year, but a lot of the stuff you bring up on Morrigan is debunked by her role in Dragon Age Inquisition. She does have her own goals and morals. She wants to preserve the magic creatures of Thedas while the rest of the world wants to see them persecuted or driven to extinction. Plus, if you have a child with her in Origins, we see that she overcame her cynicism and learned compassion / love for others.
still the fact of time aside, the point was to explain a mindset of analysis for the alignments, not a discussion trying to classify characters from different worlds
TN...I can't wait for the characters ambiguous in both belief and motivation
First off, love how you're explaining the alignment system!
Second, I'd like you opinion on a character concept I'm working on.
This character is coming in at 18th level (previous character got soul trapped =/)
Anyway, so I'm having some trouble fleshing him out, but I do have an outline:
He's an anima mage (binder/wizard) Sun Elf (the campaign is in Faerun)
He was born with unusual (for sun elves) black hair. This was taken as a sign that he was cursed. This opinion is correct. Specifically, he's cursed with an addiction to causing pain, anguish, and/or misery. While at first he probably fought against the addiction, that was decades ago. Now, he's a confirmed sadist. However, he tries to target only beings deserving a horrible fate. For example, murderers, rapists, slavers, infomercial directors and soap opera actors, etc. If he can't find any "suitable" targets, he will eventually turn on "lesser" deviants (say, muggers and peeping toms, or small time con men.)
He indulges in this hobby mostly in his down time. His MO is to keep an ear out for unsolved crimes, and then use his magic to solve them, find the perp(s), and torture to death/turn them into heads in jars via binding spell/mindrape or turn them into something useful to him like a living zombie. If he can't establish adequate contacts, he'll resort to scrying crime-ridden parts of town, then "scry and die" criminals he catches in the act. Being a high level wizard, he can do this in any city or town on the planet. He makes a point of picking targets he believes he will crush easily, preferably in areas with inadequate law enforcement, and takes as many precautions as he can to avoid bringing the authorities down on himself (not being consistent in terms of target areas and exact methods, disguises/invisibility, mind blank, etc.)
In addition, he has as his familiar an evil subtype outsider. Specifically an Asura (pathfinder fiend, almost all of whom wish to unmake existence. Normally Lawful Evil) However, contact with him has somewhat "redeemed" this individual. Specifically, his use of vestiges (his binder abilities.) Simply put: she became afraid that her race's success would turn them all into such beings, and that such would be a fate to avoid at all costs. She's since devoted herself to acquiring knowledge for its own sake. Her tentative alignment is lawful neutral. She and my character are quite devoted to eachother. They are also both hunted by the rest of her race.
Other than his sadism, he shares his familiar's desire to learn about and experience the world, or worlds even. He worships Azuth (LN patron god of wizards and applied magic) She worships Oghma (TN god of Knowledge.)
This brings up another topic I'd like to hear your take on: Alignment subtype creatures. Do the same descriptions you've used for characters apply to them? Or are they different because their very beings are partly composed of their alignment?
Anyway, If you've read this far, thanks for your time!
Chad Picard First, thank you for YOUR time! Second, I'm a little unsure as to what you'd like my opinion on with your new character. Were you hoping for my read on his alignment, or just a general opinion? He seems pretty thought out. It occurs to me that he is either the type of man who hates himself for his sadism, possibly growing furious after indulging in his addiction because of how much he needs it, or possibly in fervent denial about his own evil nature because he tries to hurt "the real bad people".
As for the subtypes, I wouldn't say that the definition for alignment would be different for them. After all, intelligent creatures, have beliefs and motivations. If a demon, a creature evil by nature, is driven to harm others, and knows he or she cannot stop themselves from being violent chooses to instead harm themselves instead of others. That demon is acting selflessly. It may be tempted by evil, but it consciously chooses to do good--insane, sure, but good.
Thanks for a quick reply! As for specifics on what I'm interested in. Now that I've had a night's sleep to consider it:
Yes, I'm wondering what your read on his alignment is. (I also like your idea that he could be in denial.) Also, I'd like advice on his familiar, the dynamics that could exist between them, and how to roleplay them. She is, after all, a "risen" fiend. As I mentioned, the Asura are a race of nihilists. She's a member of their lowest caste. (not sure if you're familiar with them, they're in the pathfinder srd.)
Anyway, so all Asura have a habit of trying to improve their understanding of the cosmos. Granted, they do this to better enable themselves to destroy it in revenge for being the Gods' misbegotten spawn. Members of her caste usually don't live very long, because they either end up dead by attrition, or recycled into "higher" asura. They are normally naturally loyal to the higher asura that created them.
I'm not sure how to explain their meeting and bonding, but it's results have been significant. First, she's lived longer than most of her kind. Giving her time to develop as an individual. Or, possibly for the essence of whatever creature was used to create her (the higher asura make her caste by eating and siphoning some of the essence of other sentient creatures) to assert itself somewhat.
As I said, she's horrified by the possibility that her race could succeed in their goals... only to turn themselves into vestiges that would then be exploited by people in yet another universe. In particular, anima mages derive much of their power by deceiving these entities, and have access to spells that cause them pain to better force compliance. My character isn't above using those spells (though he derives little if any pleasure from doing so. It's a purely pragmatic matter for him.) In any case, while the rest of her race (minus the rare fellow renegade) would disagree, she somewhat feels that her loyalty to her race is intact. She would, given the ability, stop them from inflicting the worst fate she can imagine on themselves.
So, one that's of three parts of her motivation. The other two are her asura-born thirst for knowledge, and her devotion to my character. The wizard-familiar bond is after all, a highly intimate one. Also, they've definately saved eachother's lives before. Lastly, she remains in her alternate form: a female gnome, unless she has some damned go reason to do otherwise (maybe to benefit from her natural form's smaller size to slip through bars or something.) At this point, she considers her gnome form to be her "true" form.
So, that's some more of my rambling. I guess I'm turning to the RUclips gaming sages (so far, You, Onionkid99, DawnforgedCast, and Woodwward) for help in making a chaacter being brought in at ridiculously high level something more than a perfected killbot. Thanks again! :D
One more thing: When I said he tries to pick targets he'd crush easily... I have this image of some other gaming group playing through a low-ish level module. Having spent weeks or more to reach the vilian of the piece.... only for this random wizard to teleport in, say to them "I've got this, chaps!" then horrifically kill the guy. Leaving the players to say 'wtf?!' to their DM.
Or, alternately: Having spent weeks to trace the source of some horrible crime wave/find the cult's HQ to stop the virgin sacrifice or whatever, find the enemy HQ populated only by corpses... horrifically mutilated corpses. Divinations into the "why" of this only state that they were killed horrifically and their souls destroyed in a torturous manner. No magic they can access can help identify the culprit.
(Oh, except any innocent captives held by the foe mention their captors falling dead screaming, then themselves being released by a cloaked figure.)
Chad Picard Ok, a lot to respond to, but I'll try to remember it all. First, thanks
again. I find it a compliment to be listed with those other youtubers. Alright, onto the crunchy stuff!
Alignment: I find it appropriate that you asked it to this video because I would say your character is Neutral Evil. He acts out of fundamental selfishness. He is addicted to the pleasure he feels by causing harm to others. He is aware of this, even if he won't admit it, yet chooses to indulge in this behavior. He feeds his denial, and tries to justify his pain-lust by causing this harm to people that society would say deserve it. He may even believe they do deserve it. The difference to remember is that while a good character may kill an evil one, they regret having to do so because it is inflicting harm on others fundamentally. Your character relishes in it. It's just who he is, which he can't accept, and why he's in denial.
As for the belief side of the alignment, I don't really see many principles. Certainly, he would seem to believe in the notion of justice, but since he's in denial he believes that he's exempt from it, or at least willingly ignores his place in it. Even if he believed/wished that at some point someone could free him from his lusts by ending him, he still chooses to not hold himself accountable to the same standards he holds others too. Because of this ambiguity, I see him as Neutral, but could also see the argument for him to be Lawful.
On the flip side of this, his familiar is pretty clearly Lawful Neutral. She may have a personal motivation, but is bound by her principles. She will uphold her duty over her motivations. She may be resistant to said duty on a racial level because of her personal, existential crisis, but would seem to maintain in in regards to her master.
(For bight-sized reading sake, I'll answer the relationship question to your other comment.)
Chad Picard Sadist Elf/Asura Familiar Continued
Relationship: So we have one character who finds pleasure in pain, and justifies his personal demons by inflicting their wrath on those who would seemingly deserve it. Loyally serving him is essentially a demon of destruction who is dedicated to her purpose even if horrified by its implications. Though my knee-jerk reaction is to say they be romantically involved, I don't think that would actually move beyond just a consistent tension between the two. The master knows he has subjugated a demon. He may have grown to trust her, and have a complementary ideology, but he knows that demons are fundamentally evil. What maintains his delusions is the notion that he delivers righteous torture/death to those who deserve it, and who is more deserving than a creature literally created to do evil? Until he was able to accept his personal demons he could never allow himself to "stoop to that level".
On the flipside, the asura may feel a romantic attraction to her master's powers and how he chooses to use them. Yet, she seems the sort who's submissive enough in her role to never seek out her desires even if she realizes them, and may even resist them because to indulge in them may affect her ability to carry out her duty.
So you potentially have this Dresden-Molly-like relationship where the master and (in this case) servant are equally attracted to one another, but can't have it. While with Dresden he can't see his student as a woman, here you have both reserving themselves because of their beliefs/delusions.
How I see their relationship working is that they make a great team. They rely on and trust one another, feeling that each has earned it. They have an unspoken, romantic tension that they do their best to ignore. The asura may have grandiose dreams for her master, possibly believing he is a man someday capable of breaking the self-defeating cycle she sees her people in, thus is worthy of her devotion. Your character likely sees her as as an extremely valuable servant, and confidant. I see them rarely out of each others presence, because being together comes naturally. Fortunately, they're the sorts to focus most of their attention towards the task at hand so they don't have to think about their personal demons, or the implications of their proximity. Others may even perceive them in a relationship; though, they would deny it.
Would this be chaotic neutral or neutral evil. A black dragonborn who has ptsd from witnessing his clan being slaughtered by red dragonborn. His tendencies are straight from his clan's which are ritualistic cannibalism which he believes gives him his opponent's strength and mostly "rip and tear" combat, ripping off a monster's horn to stab it in the throat for example. He wishes to make all red dragons and red dragons extinct,or at least kill as many as he can in order to avenge his clan.
I need to think about this one... Especially as... The information is a tad lacking. Ask yourself the following questions.
-Does he want to get revenge for himself, or is he getting revenge for his fallen clan? What are his exact motivations to get revenge?
-Is he willing to harm and kill others to achieve his goal?
-Is he willing to pass up on a chance to get closer to achieving this goal for a selfless act of some kind? Or cause harm to himself in some other way to perform a selfless act? Aka, does he have a soft spot?
To answer your questions, he wants to get revenge for his clan. He believes that for each red dragonborn he kills another of his dead clan mates gets put to rest. Yes, he is willing to kill or harm others to achieve these goals. The third question would have to depend on the circumstance if the situation was kill a red or save a party member he would probably save the party member,but beat himself over the red that got away. If you replace the party member with almost any one else with the exceptions of black dragonborn,women and children he would kill the red with nary a second thought.
Hmmm. And why would he choose to save a party member, black dragonborn, woman or child as opposed to killing the red dragon? I'm just trying to gain an understanding of your character, hence the questions.
he would save the party member because he would view them as a new clan. He would save the black dragonborn because he saw his clan's slaughter,and he can't stand to see another black dragonborn die . If one were to die he would be deeply saddened,and would suffer from even worse nightmares than usual. Finally,he would save the woman or child due to his clan's practices. Even if you asked him why he would he would just say that it was tradition, and he doesn't know the true reason why. He just does it to preserve another tradition of his dead clan. sorry for the giant paragraph.
Don't worry about the giant paragraph. The more info, the easier it is to form an opinion and get an idea. Now, lastly, why does he want to put the members of his dead clan to rest? Does he feel like it's his duty?
The Joker from Nolan's batman movies is definetily CE, he even literally says at one point that he is an agent of chaos.
And that's his principle.
He literally tells Batman he wants to ‘take the schemer’s plans and turn them on their head’.
I'm making a drow warlock with a patron to asmodeus but a large respect to lolth so I was curious if the in between of chaotic evil and lawful evil would be neutral evil
Hmmm.... Okay, still absolutely love this content... Yet... having watched several of this series from you, I can't help a suggestion coming up. I've thought about it kind of often since I started watching... honestly, and I think I've refined it to a fairly poignant structure.
We (The entire RPG community) have been holding the whole "alignment debate" and related arguments ENTIRELY WRONG. Don't get me wrong about this, what you've presented here is absolutely correct in it's core meanings and descriptions... BUT, I think we should re-tweak this whole debate away from this format... essentially, we describe the alignment, then pick our characters and contextual examples, explain how this alignment fits those particular examples, and finish with an assessment of how that alignment works, from its utterly simplest form to the outer stretches of its freedom...
INSTEAD, maybe we should describe the alignment(s) in question, and then pick a couple examples (characters and context) and then try to explain the motivations of those characters as the alignments we picked would have motivated them... essentially explain how a Player would respond when the GM asked, "But you're a Lawful Evil... why the hell would you do that?" and cut through this argumentative ambiguity of alignment to show the noob-players and GM's alike, that alignment isn't just a couple letters to be routinely dismissed as "an obsolete guide from antiquity". It's a nice guide for new players, or for a player stretching his or her boundaries to a new character/type, as well as a relative freedom SO LONG AS YOU CAN EXPLAIN IT properly...
So instead of "this guy is this alignment for this kind of motivation and this many principles, and that gal is this same alignment for this motive and the ambiguity of her principles..." blah-blah-blah...
We can say, "A neutral evil explanation for this scene would be... blah-blah-blah, BUT the Chaotic Good explanation for the same scene might also be... blah-blah-blah... And you could still argue for Lawful Evil because ... blah-blah-blah..."
Then it can cut to the nuts and bolts of WHY alignment gets to be so ambiguous depending on a particular GM's stylings and fiats.
In any case, it's something to think about... :o)
I have always thought of Kefka as Chaotic Evil.
I don't think that V is chaotic good. What we read, is about a man how kills for revenge (and some of his deaths are just horrible, I don't speak that he kills them thowing knives, he enjoys killing slowly and with painful), torture Eve (to implement his ideals) and gives a shit to everything, doesn't matter if it's good or bad.
I don't know a lot about this type of Chaotic Good, but I'm more inclined to put him at chaotic neutral aligment. Theyre some things that you truly think that this men has a mental problem and some of his "manners" let you thinking if V is truly a good guy.
Its 2020 and I think its safe to say we won't be getting a true neutral video
I personally disagree with Kefka as a Neutral Evil character, any code of honor, ethics, or restraint on his part is because he knows not to go hog wild with murder and destruction. Should he have done so he would not have become the God of Magic as he did at the end of Final Fantasy 6, Gestal wouldn't have kept him around if he didn't think he had Kefka figured out. Once Kefka had the Warring Triad and Gestal pinned with the unbridled magics from the Warring Triad that's when he knows he can go crazy and do as he pleases. Kefka is insane, not stupid.
What is the song at the beginning and where can I find it?
so how does wanting to kill all life on the planet = Neutral Evil? Yes I watched the video. That why I am asking about Kefka. I did not understand your point. If a person only want to kill. That does not seem like neutral at all.
YAY!!!
Err... song from the intro?
I don't just want the true neutral video...I NEED the true neutral video
No true neutral?
Guild master dan, I am afraid I ride forth to inform you that the great lor RUclips has with it's mighty red whip of apathy and disgust completley broken your annotations links! If your power alet information to return to the flow of this world!
IDK maybe put in the description, please?
Chaotic neutral?
So, just saw the alignments videos and got doubts about some characters.
In the League Of Legends we got Kha'zix one of those "gonna eat everything and evolve" alien and that's, from what I understand, Neutral Evil since he's just about himself and his own goal of prey on everything he can.
But then there's Rengar, his rival, that's a hunter who will kill just about anything or anyone he deems to be a worthy prey for the sake of proving he is the top hunter.
Supposing Rengar is not particularly hostile towards others (or that he even cares about others), but will hunt down any who he considers challenging enough, no matter who, does that also make him Evil Neutral?
Another doubt is about Zeratul from Starcraft (Blizzard); he is always talking about honor and his duty, but his means make he seem like a traitor to his people, since he often allies with those he is supposed to be fighting with.
In other words his duty says he must do something in a certain way, but he does it his own way even though he clearly upholds his ideals and greater good above himself. What alignment would he fit in?
I might not be accurate in the characters descriptions, my main question is about the alignment.
time is up for video 10. I give up.
True neutral when?
Is that a fucking fedora? Where is the neck beard? The katana? This costume is 1/10.
And he never came back to finish the series.
SUBBED
Well thank you. ^^
Sorry but I have to respectfully disagree with your choice of Kefka. I think that it is a highly debatable choice anyways and an argument could be made for both choices but chaotic evil only aspires to destruction: ruler of ashes. Whereas a neutral evil player aspires to dominate all life. It’s the difference between a crime of passion and premeditated murder. A chaotic player does something evil on a whim because he wants to, he may even wish to destroy the whole world, it doesn’t matter when he does it, but he will at some point. A neutral evil player plots to conquer and enslave and will work within the law when it suits them and outside of it when necessary (neutral between law and chaos).
2 years and still no true neutral, probably finding it difficult to characterise as it can mean almost anything as long as it's not any extreme. It would be like trying to describe something detached from everyone's reality while still being a part of it.
When is true neutral suppose to be up?
Clayton Hilliard I hope to have it out in the next couple of weeks.
:D
+GuildMasterDan RIP
Aheh, heh, admittedly, didn't, quiiiiiiite meet that deadline.
next couple of weeks... right. PLEASE I NEED THAT ONE
why did you show every one how weird you are ... skip 7:30-to the end
And true neutral never came
Where is true neutrallll????
True neutral
Did this guy die??!!
I can't tell what true type of evil my character is can someone please help he is a half elf who is 2% demon he is a killer for higher is a Yandere also a psychopath he is in love with the one that pays for him to kill people also has a connection to the evil dragon God pretty much like how a warlock does and last but not least is a red dragon sorcerer and will not harm family if it could be avoided ps will not torcher
Would he accept to serve under someone else (lawful) or despise it(chaotic)? Does he perform senseless killing without thought(chaos) or only when it furthers his plan(law)? Does he go back on his word (chaos) or keep his promise(law)?
Thats a few things to consider
He is fine with serving under someone sometimes when mad will go on a killing spree but will keep his promise to the best of his ability
Also he plans some things in advance like if he acts like a Yandere and kill someone close to the one who pays him he makes evidence that who they killed had planned to betray them but is very careful about what they say or promise
I have watch the entire in complete series and I know you've had trillions of complaints about your music being too loud and your voice being too soft but I just had to throw in my complaint. Otherwise I enjoyed what you've done.
JackAlope ! Ngl this is kinda petty my dude.