How To Get Started Backing Up Onto M-Disc (Optical Media Archival)
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- Опубликовано: 18 сен 2024
- How to get started backing up on to the M-Disc long term archival storage optical medium intended for highly durable cold storage of data.
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Here we go - another rabbit hole and now I want to backup everything on blu ray disks 😅
Just like the regular show😮
This is exactly the video I'm looking for, thanks for uploading
Verbatim M-Disc is a real life saver for RUclipsrs and other video professionals - backup all the works on Drives, Flash, and M-Disc, and storing the M-Discs Off Site...
Mains Electric power being what it is, sometimes Zaps! drives / PCs dead... But the 100GB M-Discs are safe and sound.
@Jack_Warner Yup... Even on surge protectors, I have a stack of dead UPS that all got fried. Putting electic wires up on telephone poles not the safest option in lightening storms. But A surge strip, with line conditioner & UPS has protected my gear the best. Trip-Lite makes a god line conditioner that will smooth out & clean up the power to your UPS , protecting it and your computers...
Can you write any type of file to M-Discs?
We all need to go out and buy more M-disks to keep them going. I just bought some this morning!
Yeah my main concern about M-Discs isn't backward compatibility ... it's that Verbatim are going to stop making the media!
@@DanielSRosehill I'd better stock up then.
@@DanielSRosehill It's hard to believe there wont be other, likely superior forms of media invented for archival purposes. I would think some organizations, particularly governments would have requirements for very long term data storage.
Awesome video and I love your channel! From what I've been able to tell from a few days of online searching, standard HTL Blu-Rays also use an inorganic etching material for the data pits. I haven't been able to find any information regarding other potential differences between these Blu-Ray M-Discs and HTL Blu-Rays, other than perhaps the quality assurance may be a bit higher, though my cynicism in me suggests that these are all coming off of similar if not identical manufacturing equipment and the M-Disc brand is being used to evoke the warranted advantage it had over standard DVD-Rs back in those days. Regardless even if these discs are all the same, I'm very happy that we are at a point now where we can confidently etch our digital data for future generations :).
Exactly! The question is if Blu-Ray M-Discs are actually that much different from regular BD-R Blu-Ray discs.
@@kwinzman Pretty much. If they're not the actual 1000 year old MDisks, they're just MDisk in name only. Regular blu ray may still last for a time though.
Hello, i have burnt my first m-disc yesterday. There were only photos and it takes 23 GB out of 25 disc. But it looks a bit strange because the color of surface of that recorded disc changed only in half? Inner part looks just a little lighter then widest. Do you know why is it so? Thanks
Do you think M-Disk is still the best option for long term archiving in 2024? I have about 1.5tb of photos and videos from the last 25 years that i just cannot even contemplate losing. They are already cloud backed up as well as at home but bitrot scares the life outta me.
Thank you! I’m looking for a way to store family photos and documents that either are born digital or that I’ve digitized. The technique used until it got to me was to pass the files around from hard drive backup to hard drive backup 😅 not great for archiving. I’m definitely going to try out Mdisk now! It seems a lot better than any other format that I know about.
As Barry the inventor of M Disc says storing precious files on a hard drive is like storing valuables on a leaky boat (bit rot) that could and will eventually fall apart at any time (catastrophic mechanical failure). M Disc is a great solution for your storage needs and I hope you manage to get them safe without a hitch /
Hi Daniel! Thanks for making all these videos, been going down an archival rabbit hole and think I'll be going the M-Disc route. Genuinely curious if there's a way to burn a large project lets say 500gb. Taking cost into account the 25gb disc seem to be the most reasonable, I don't mind if I had to burn multiple discs. The last burning software I used was Toast Titanium lol. I'm a bit out of the loop with what's possible, would I need to manual separate my project into lets say 23gb segments or would Burnaware prompt me to "insert the next disc"
Any suggestions on burning hardware and software for writing to M disks?
I bought some M disks, thinking my little dvd burner could do it. Nope.
What i found on my own basically was i needed a high end burner (doable) but also to PURCHASE software to do it.
If anyone has suggestions to do this for free, like free software and a burner that would work. I appreciate it
I am convinced that this is what I want to go with with my family photos and super sensitive documents.
After listening to the podcasts mentioned the founder said that theoretically some drives will do a better job writing than others. Trying to find reliable documentation on which blu ray writers would be best (ideally external as I run on a laptop due to the nature of my work). Has anyone found or can tell me what they are using? Also reliable brand/supplier for the discs as I am always afraid of Amazon selling me a knockoff?
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that I think that knock off Verbatim M Discs aren't something that you need to worry about. You could write to Verbatim to verify that the M Discs they're selling via Amazon are legitimate but... I don't think the market is large enough to encourage pirates (Barry also told me that Verbatim are the sole license holders to the tech so the fact that nobody else appears to be manufacturing them isn't suspicious). Re:writers... no idea unfortunately but let me know what you find out. I use an external USB connected one that I periodically attach to my desktop and it writes and reads the media just fine.
The top drive at 10:42 you can just attach a cable or something? Or does it need a tower type computer?
That's one intended to be installed into a desktop but all the USB external drives can be used with anything - for example a laptop
Have you tried burning the 50gb double layer or 100gb triple layer M discs? If so how did that go? I tried the 100gb ones on two different high $ drives (asus and pioneer) that were both rated for BDXL TL but disc burns would only validate up to the first layer - second layer transition. That was using burnaware latest version then also tried power2go 8 and 11 with same result. For now I am going to order more 25gb SL discs so I can move on with archiving.
Did some 100GB BDXLs via a Windows VM without difficulty. Have some 128GB Sony quad layers on the way from Japan. On the odd chance you're using Linux also... I'd use a VM for the BDXL media. Apparently K3B doesn't play nice with them.
I have a Pi0neer BDR-S12XLT drive and 100gb m-discs but seem only to be able to record 25gb any help?
Could I write the folder resulting from ripping a Blu-Ray with MakeMKV to a M-Disc (say to a 100 GB one) for backup purposes?
I can only answer from a file transfer standpoint as the only media that I write onto M-Discs are RUclips videos that I create but ... I don't see why it wouldn't work.
I sent some standard BD-R's through the mail that are now coasters. Unfortunately it was my only copy of the data. They weren't the highest quality blanks and definitely NOT m-disc's. I'm burning some data to Mdiscs now, but I herd you mention in this video that you'd send discs through the post. I think mine ended up becoming coasters not because of the soft sleeves I kept them in, but I think the x-rays from shipping damaged them. I've read elsewhere that x-rays can damage BD-R's. Are mdisc's susceptible? Good to know if you're ever going to go through an airport with them, or through the mail.
I brought a case full of M Discs with me in my checked luggage last year to bring them physically to my offsite. This was a 12 hour transatlantic flight btw. The disks seemed to be absolutely fine (I did a few spot checks). I'd check whether there is evidence that xrays can damage optical disk surfaces but.... I have a hunch that in some cases at least the answer is no (like... If every passenger with a DVD in their luggage had it ruined - even if there weren't many of them - that would present quite an issue). Final thought - if you're really worried, perhaps look into stuff like RFID sleeves?
@@DanielSRosehill Good point. Yeah these were three year old cheap BD-R's that ended up going through UPS. (mail, assumed x-ray checks) The surfaces and disks looked flawless. The data -- would get about 20% through the disc and then it just had a gazllion errors. I actually burned out a laser in a drive trying to force re-reads overnight. Someone on Reddit mentioned that x-rays can affect them, and that would seem to make sense since the disc's are not very old and no delamination or other obvious defects. I was just curious about the BD-R M-discs as they're -- All the super cool MDisc test reports are from the DVD MDiscs. The BD-R's are different. That said, I just bough a 25 pk of 100gb discs to backup some of my most irreplaceable data, so here's to success!
Hi, I just found out about m-disc, I was looking for long archival methods. is there any new similar format that can store more data?
To the best of my knowledge no. If you find one let me know!
Thank you for good video
Can you burn M-disc with Verbatim 43888 ?
I read it is problem with windows 11 ?
I also read it is problem with the software i do not know if that was Nero, what can i use if it is problem ?
I want to buy the 43888 as soon as possibel or do you have a better model ?
According to the product spec, yes:
"Fully compliant with MDISC archiving technology"
www.verbatim-europe.co.uk/en/prod/ultra-hd-4k-external-slimline-blu-ray-writer-43888/
Which is what I would expect. The vast majority of modern BR readers and writers have no problem reading from and writing to M-Discs.
Re: software. Unfortunately I no idea as I use Ubuntu Linux as my OS. But again you shouldn't face any trouble and there are even Windows softwares such as BurnAware that expressly state that they're compatible with M-Disc ... but it really shouldn't be necessary.
@@DanielSRosehill Thank you Daniel for replying i am listening to another video of you at the moment i became subscriber at your other channel Tech world, on there the writer market 2024, you are very good.
Your model is that 43888 ?
@@DanielSRosehill is the Verbatim 71097 better than the 43888 ?
@@DanielSRosehill Do you have any link on the penn you use writing on the M-disc ?
Hey! I have no idea about the comparative strengths of the Verbatim drives to be honest. I had an LG Blu Ray recently break down. People on Reddit recommended Pioneer as a better manufacturer. Re: the pens. The ones I have are called 'Memorex'. You can find them on Amazon or other ones on Aliexpress. I think they're all probably fine.
My biggest worry for M-disc is that in the future software used to play these files originally. Might not exist anymore.
MP4 Software probably is not the same as today in 50 years from now.
it's a legitimate concern but I would say that backwards compatibility actually tends to be surprisingly long (as an example - floppy disk readers are still very easy to come across and perfectly useable)
In my opinion, just normal verbatim blu ray disc is great for 20-30 years. Normal verbatim blu ray disc also has hard coat & i hope it will last for 20-30 years. Prices of M disc are much higher than normal. Plus people have complained about failure of burning of BDXL M disc. So that will result in significant monetary losses. So economically, it makes more sense to burn normal verbatim blu ray discs. Technology will change in near future in 10-15 years. These blu ray players will stop working then. We will have to shift our data to other media. So my preference is to go with the flow..
Yeah. I would use M-discs is I could get them for around $2 a piece. Still way to expensive.
get back to hd-dvd 15 gb and maybe 30gb re relase hd-dvd burner on marked
Can you please provide me m disk from my image and corier to me..
India
Unfortunately I can't but I hope that you can find some way to get a hold of them (I buy mine from Amazon.com ... perhaps Amazon India sells?)
Thankyou
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