Fighting Laojun like this does bring an interesting perspective that I hadn't actually thought about before. At *no* point in SMT1 did Kazuya *ever* ask to become warped in a near cosmic game of power. He never asked to lose his Mom, never asked to be the arbiter of choice, never asked to watch everything he love destroyed over the selfishness of three forces. In the end, Kazuya was just a high schooler who was forced to give up everything and become a savior. It's maddening to think about, and I'm surprised I didn't think of this before either. Why couldn't he just choose his friends and end all this madness? Why be swayed by cosmic forces when in the end it is humanity that goes along to decide its fate? Even Laojun, who stands as a paragon of neutrality, really, if you look at it, is no better than Michael or Asura in this scenario. It's... so interesting to think about! Thank you for this gameplay!
Whenever I see that, it's awful for someone as young as Kazuya. He, his friends and common people never asked to be in that situation. When I think of that, I always imagine the timeline of if (Tamaki), Devil Summoner and Persona was created by a Kazuya well traumatized by the events of his game before being turned into a stone statue by the Messians.
Now this fan 2D remaster of the first Shin megami tensei of Atlus has Shin megami tensei IV Final taste: - Overlord ending equals to Anarchy ending because of reaching godhood - Friendship ending equals to peace ending because of slaying the gods, angels and demons while maintaining the friendships
This ending completely goes against the point of the game. And I'm not complaining -- if you can remake a game and improve upon it and also add THIS MANY extra endings, go for it. You've got the power, use it
Dude, it does not, in fact, its the same as neutral, but you can make your allies to see their wrongs, the thing is that neutral is hard as f--k to get, so its justified to be a better route, and on the other routes you cant given they are too much extreme to have it, in fact, you kind of have the Heroine and Chaos hero with you
@@CarlosSilva-bh4bi You must have only played SMT4, because that is the ONLY game Neutral is hard to get. Every other game you get Neutral by choosing "I want to go Neutral" in the dialogue options and then fighting 20 bosses instead of only 18 bosses. It's not any harder to get than Law or Chaos. As for SMT1 specifically, I am still going to say redeeming Law Hero and Chaos Hero kinda misses the point of their storylines. If you look at their dialogue through the game, it's obvious they do NOT like each other and barely tolerate a neutral Protagonist. Law Hero is focused on his quest to save his girlfriend first and foremost, and doesn't care about the Heroine. Chaos Hero wants to kill bullies and hates everyone else for telling him to chill out. They are both out for one thing: the power to enact their vision of justice, and they make it very clear they will bring Neutral into that vision of justice by force. Neutral, in turn, is not at all a peaceful option and wants both Law and Chaos to die. Neutral is just as much a might makes right mentality as the others. SMT1 is not a game about saving the world, because you can't. It's a game about destroying the evil that doomed the old world so it can't infect the next world. Law, Chaos, and Neutral are all in this same cycle. The only difference is: whatever side you don't choose is retroactively evil (you can see this in the SMT1 Law ending where YHVH was always a good guy and following him was totally correct this whole time) And that is actually why I respect this new fanmade ending anyway. Whoever it was who made this game (i'll call him Mr. VX) took his power to heart and used it for all it was worth. HE creates this world, EH decides what is good and what evil needs to be left behind. If Mr. VX decides that redemption really is possible and you should strive for it no matter what, then this is HIS time to prove that, and HIS game to show that paying off. More power to him for pulling it off
@@TARINunit9 Even if, as you say, it goes agaisn't all SMT 1 stood for, still is heartwarming and makes a bit of since for the requirements. You make your allies turned enemies see the reason, the why they made it this far and how they managed to get this far thanks to your strength. Even though it's just a fangame, it's peak SMT I content for allowing you to do that
@@TARINunit9Excuse me? I finished SMT1 on the PS1 Neutral was hard as fuck to do, I had to think very carefully what the fuck I was going to do, like, I tought I was on Law accidentally, and then I just got into the realization I killed both with the *OPPOSITE ALIGNMENT SOMEHOW* so I successfully failed my task and got the neutral ending, yet, I just got luck out of no where And Let me tell you, Vanilla neutral is bad, you not only get actual dialogue from the characters, but the reps are stupid as duck, like, one will kill anyone for nothing even if like 50% of those who follow both sides are scared and dont want to go to extremes and the Chaos idiot literally used me 99% of the prologue and midgame, plus he STOLE MY DEMON he did not even got demon shit if not for Kazuya So the fact that you can make them see their shit by force has a meaning The Chaos idiot notices he acted like a rabid animal when you let him kill Ozawa and the Law dumbass notes the freaking contradiction of his "Mercy" Also, the final dungeons are copy pastes without any kind of interaction exept for boss dialogue and not actual choices And the fact that things get grey and you actually kill everything for full demon neutralization its great Like, damn, I hated the fact that both reps got hipocritically balistic when I literally said shit And also you kill both sides and leave internal couters so they have it harder to come back, which is nice
You can check the download link on twitter, there you'll find useful information such as how the sword fusion works or the ending requirements x.com/TeatimeSpooks/status/1712518077202518190?s=20
I'll tell ya Chaos-B: Side with Lilith/Yuriko [Was that her name?], I think you have like 2-3 chances Law-B: Side with the girl on the Church of the Pre-ICBM Tokyo, its a new place, just search a little Neutral-B: Join any girl exept the neutral best girl and then BETRAY THEM Neutral: Only side with the resistance [And join the best girl that its not attracted by you] and do the normal Law: Same than Neutral, but law, join Haniel and the Law hero on Pre-Flood Tokyo Chaos: Same than Neutral, but chaos, join Equidna and the Chaos Hero Overlord: Dont take any girl and freaking destroy all Friendship: Save Law's girlfriend and let Chaos to kill Ozawa (dont give the final blow [I think]) I hope this works for ya
I was okay with this ending until Laojun was made into just another badguy. I don't know, he is still a human, not a demon, I don't think this is the right characterization for him. The protagonist in the neutral route is forced to kill his friends because they don't want to reason with him, not because the protag was influenced by Laojun to do so. Overall, I love the idea, but not the execution.
Hi! Im sorry, I know this doesnt have much to do with the video in question, but im playing smt VX and I love it! But there so much things that change in contrast to the original! And I want to do the Friendship ending, but i can't find ozawa in 19XX, where is it? There some things that i need to to before?
Because he is the one you see after you do a neutral ending route, he is essentially, the neutral god representative of the original game since he's the last one you see before the credits. Not unlike Lucifer for Chaos and Michael for Law.
I personally found it easier. Having 4 human characters that can equip anti-nerve equipment really helps with this fight, and the Law Hero comes with his special skill Messiah Riser to remove the Bound status on your demons. It is true that the overlord path gives you way more exp because you also fight Metatron and Lucifer so you can hit lvl 99 before this fight, but not being able to prevent your party from being bound sucks.
@Razeluxe01 this was a major Jumpscare. I don't even remember writing this nor watching this video But this video is cool and I think I was high that day or something
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Fighting Laojun like this does bring an interesting perspective that I hadn't actually thought about before. At *no* point in SMT1 did Kazuya *ever* ask to become warped in a near cosmic game of power. He never asked to lose his Mom, never asked to be the arbiter of choice, never asked to watch everything he love destroyed over the selfishness of three forces. In the end, Kazuya was just a high schooler who was forced to give up everything and become a savior.
It's maddening to think about, and I'm surprised I didn't think of this before either. Why couldn't he just choose his friends and end all this madness? Why be swayed by cosmic forces when in the end it is humanity that goes along to decide its fate? Even Laojun, who stands as a paragon of neutrality, really, if you look at it, is no better than Michael or Asura in this scenario. It's... so interesting to think about!
Thank you for this gameplay!
Whenever I see that, it's awful for someone as young as Kazuya.
He, his friends and common people never asked to be in that situation.
When I think of that, I always imagine the timeline of if (Tamaki), Devil Summoner and Persona was created by a Kazuya well traumatized by the events of his game before being turned into a stone statue by the Messians.
Man, even after all that and a 20-something minute fight, you STILL don't get to stay with your friends.
this is now an actual happy ending
Yes because this asshole is dead.:)
Now this fan 2D remaster of the first Shin megami tensei of Atlus has Shin megami tensei IV Final taste:
- Overlord ending equals to Anarchy ending because of reaching godhood
- Friendship ending equals to peace ending because of slaying the gods, angels and demons while maintaining the friendships
This ending completely goes against the point of the game. And I'm not complaining -- if you can remake a game and improve upon it and also add THIS MANY extra endings, go for it. You've got the power, use it
Dude, it does not, in fact, its the same as neutral, but you can make your allies to see their wrongs, the thing is that neutral is hard as f--k to get, so its justified to be a better route, and on the other routes you cant given they are too much extreme to have it, in fact, you kind of have the Heroine and Chaos hero with you
@@CarlosSilva-bh4bi You must have only played SMT4, because that is the ONLY game Neutral is hard to get. Every other game you get Neutral by choosing "I want to go Neutral" in the dialogue options and then fighting 20 bosses instead of only 18 bosses. It's not any harder to get than Law or Chaos.
As for SMT1 specifically, I am still going to say redeeming Law Hero and Chaos Hero kinda misses the point of their storylines. If you look at their dialogue through the game, it's obvious they do NOT like each other and barely tolerate a neutral Protagonist. Law Hero is focused on his quest to save his girlfriend first and foremost, and doesn't care about the Heroine. Chaos Hero wants to kill bullies and hates everyone else for telling him to chill out. They are both out for one thing: the power to enact their vision of justice, and they make it very clear they will bring Neutral into that vision of justice by force. Neutral, in turn, is not at all a peaceful option and wants both Law and Chaos to die. Neutral is just as much a might makes right mentality as the others.
SMT1 is not a game about saving the world, because you can't. It's a game about destroying the evil that doomed the old world so it can't infect the next world. Law, Chaos, and Neutral are all in this same cycle. The only difference is: whatever side you don't choose is retroactively evil (you can see this in the SMT1 Law ending where YHVH was always a good guy and following him was totally correct this whole time)
And that is actually why I respect this new fanmade ending anyway. Whoever it was who made this game (i'll call him Mr. VX) took his power to heart and used it for all it was worth. HE creates this world, EH decides what is good and what evil needs to be left behind. If Mr. VX decides that redemption really is possible and you should strive for it no matter what, then this is HIS time to prove that, and HIS game to show that paying off. More power to him for pulling it off
@@TARINunit9 Even if, as you say, it goes agaisn't all SMT 1 stood for, still is heartwarming and makes a bit of since for the requirements. You make your allies turned enemies see the reason, the why they made it this far and how they managed to get this far thanks to your strength. Even though it's just a fangame, it's peak SMT I content for allowing you to do that
@@TARINunit9good answer
@@TARINunit9Excuse me?
I finished SMT1 on the PS1
Neutral was hard as fuck to do, I had to think very carefully what the fuck I was going to do, like, I tought I was on Law accidentally, and then I just got into the realization I killed both with the *OPPOSITE ALIGNMENT SOMEHOW* so I successfully failed my task and got the neutral ending, yet, I just got luck out of no where
And Let me tell you, Vanilla neutral is bad, you not only get actual dialogue from the characters, but the reps are stupid as duck, like, one will kill anyone for nothing even if like 50% of those who follow both sides are scared and dont want to go to extremes and the Chaos idiot literally used me 99% of the prologue and midgame, plus he STOLE MY DEMON he did not even got demon shit if not for Kazuya
So the fact that you can make them see their shit by force has a meaning
The Chaos idiot notices he acted like a rabid animal when you let him kill Ozawa and the Law dumbass notes the freaking contradiction of his "Mercy"
Also, the final dungeons are copy pastes without any kind of interaction exept for boss dialogue and not actual choices
And the fact that things get grey and you actually kill everything for full demon neutralization its great
Like, damn, I hated the fact that both reps got hipocritically balistic when I literally said shit
And also you kill both sides and leave internal couters so they have it harder to come back, which is nice
Not all endings need a final boss battle...
Is there a guide anywhere on how to get the new endings in the VX version? I want to go for this ending when I play.
You can check the download link on twitter, there you'll find useful information such as how the sword fusion works or the ending requirements
x.com/TeatimeSpooks/status/1712518077202518190?s=20
I'll tell ya
Chaos-B: Side with Lilith/Yuriko [Was that her name?], I think you have like 2-3 chances
Law-B: Side with the girl on the Church of the Pre-ICBM Tokyo, its a new place, just search a little
Neutral-B: Join any girl exept the neutral best girl and then BETRAY THEM
Neutral: Only side with the resistance [And join the best girl that its not attracted by you] and do the normal
Law: Same than Neutral, but law, join Haniel and the Law hero on Pre-Flood Tokyo
Chaos: Same than Neutral, but chaos, join Equidna and the Chaos Hero
Overlord: Dont take any girl and freaking destroy all
Friendship: Save Law's girlfriend and let Chaos to kill Ozawa (dont give the final blow [I think])
I hope this works for ya
@@sagitariog9g9g9g9was there any guide regarding sword fusion? I don’t seem to recall seeing one, or I may have missed it
@@carmineescaldos6373 double check de documents, they're being constantly updated so you may have missed it
I was okay with this ending until Laojun was made into just another badguy. I don't know, he is still a human, not a demon, I don't think this is the right characterization for him. The protagonist in the neutral route is forced to kill his friends because they don't want to reason with him, not because the protag was influenced by Laojun to do so.
Overall, I love the idea, but not the execution.
Hi! Im sorry, I know this doesnt have much to do with the video in question, but im playing smt VX and I love it! But there so much things that change in contrast to the original! And I want to do the Friendship ending, but i can't find ozawa in 19XX, where is it? There some things that i need to to before?
There's a building in the north of Shinjuku above the main Shinjuku underground. That's where he is.
Weird, why it's the ying-yang symbol in this route smaller compared to the Overlord route?
Because he is the one you see after you do a neutral ending route, he is essentially, the neutral god representative of the original game since he's the last one you see before the credits. Not unlike Lucifer for Chaos and Michael for Law.
can the new Heroine (Yumiko) be in this ending or is only the Neutral Heroine?
Only the neutral heroine
Any opinions if this Battle is harder or easier than the overlord ending ?
I personally found it easier. Having 4 human characters that can equip anti-nerve equipment really helps with this fight, and the Law Hero comes with his special skill Messiah Riser to remove the Bound status on your demons.
It is true that the overlord path gives you way more exp because you also fight Metatron and Lucifer so you can hit lvl 99 before this fight, but not being able to prevent your party from being bound sucks.
Can we get at least some kind of description explaining what this is? Is this a rom hack or what? You can't assume your viewers just know
It's fan remake of SMT 1, redone in RPG Maker
10 months late, but bro. just google the title. shit ain't hard.
@Razeluxe01 this was a major Jumpscare. I don't even remember writing this nor watching this video
But this video is cool and I think I was high that day or something
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