The way I see it is the Polaris should run with a Perseus or two as a support group. They very much compliment each other. With the Perseus being more maneuverable, a 2 or 3 ship combat group like this could put a serious smack down on a larger capitol. Neither of these should be operated independently in combat without some kind of support. Add in a Squadron of 4 Andromeda's(getting updates again with dedicated Missile controller seat) and you have a fighter suppression umbrella. I know if I saw a combat group with 1 Polaris, 1 Perseus, and 4 Connie's coming at me I would probably crap my pants.
Very late to the reply as I just found this video but I 100% agree. My org's fleet of 'line ships' consists of 2 Perseus, 1 Polaris, 1 Hammerhead and 1 Carrack (the Carrack to operate as AWACs, sensor support, and to assist the Hammerhead). We figure that with this set up it will allow us a chance to punch way above our weight class if push comes to shove.
Can't wait for the Perseus, being in a small org it's a perfect fit for us; me in the pilot seat, two mates on the turrets and another two in their vanguards running escort - that's a ton of force projection for only five people.
youre gonna need more crew than that to manage everything efficiently. Not having an Engineer trying to captain and pilot will not be as efficient as a crew that seperates the two.
@James Stewart perseus can stay +10km range from idris while bombarding it. From that range, idris wont be able to hit perseus because that boomstick projectile is quite slow.
@IOwOI 1 v 1? The Idris wins 11 out if 10 fights against a Perseus. Perseus won't dent a fully fledged Capital ship. Not if the capital is captained by a half competent player.
@@captainharlock3998 But that's the whole point of the Perseus is to actually go and take on a capital class ship. It's is extremely armored so even if there were a few fighters on it while it was firing on the Idris it would take a long time to do some decent damage that and there are the size 3 turrents to help take on those fighters and deter those fighters. I'd say it's 70/30 fight leaning towards the Idris but the Perseus will definitely be able to take on some capitals but not without a challenge.
Perseus and Hammerhead seem like a great combo for a smaller fleet. If you don't have the huge numbers to crew a massive armada, you've got one set of huge guns with little worries and a ship bristling with turrets to mop up fighters.
For me. If you choosing based on strength of the ship, the Polaris. If you are choosing based on the crew you can field, the Perseus, cos you can fire every weapon on 3-4 Perseus with the crew it takes for 1 Polaris.
Well NPC and blades mean who cares. But Percy can be all bladed so no need for NPC they have said. Percy gets medium jump points going to be my see the verse ship.. Polaris is the lets blow stuff up ship.
@@bezdownunder5481 Depends how good blades are, which considering the AI turrets we face on enemy ships, is pretty awful. CIG did say there'd be different levels of performance, but we still don't have a baseline for that. Also there will be a cost to using shards for turrets, as shards are meant to boost many things, likely shields and powerplant efficiency, radar resolution, etc. You might be nerfing your ship in order to fly with a smaller crew.
I don't even understand why they're being compared to begin with. You could man a Hammerhead and a Perseus (Two ships smaller, and cheaper to run) with the same amount of crew a Polaris demands and have a better security net for your operations than just having one Polaris, not to mention the Polaris being a military capital inherently means it's going to be extremely expensive to operate.
Great stuff dude! I picked up a Perseus during IAE...but I think the Polaris is my dream ship for late game exploration/patrol and colony defense! Thanks for the videos, they're super fun! :D
Again quick, clean, and all the info I needed with as good an orator as morpholegyst, that makes all the difference in the world jus nice cadence precise pronunciation and enunciation and we'll formated and well organized delivery of information. As a seizure vic there are times I just can't understand what someone is saying but those who are amazing at these skills it's totally different, I have no trouble understanding them and I'm left with understanding instead of a feeling of ineptitude.
I enjoy your video! The Perseus feels like a USS Missouri styled for space spaceship to me, which I totally love! I hope it's as pew pew as I think it will be.
Awesome video. I went ahead and got both. I am hoping the Polaris is practical enough for me to use on my own with an NPC crew, but I got the Perseus in case the Polaris isn't practical for my primary big ship gameplay.
I'm really curious to see what the Perseus will be like when it comes into the game. At the moment we can only speculate about the design, functionality, armour or firepower of this ship. But I wouldn't be surprised if the final result has some deviations from the concept design.
I see the perseus more as an anti big ship deterent for your home base thats able to respond quickly to a big threat in a region or indeed act like merchant defense like the hammerhead. And the polaris as a patrol craft for security missions or for locking down a sector. Or wherever you may need it, since it has a lot more versitility.
Imagine if they brought out torpedoes that had a personal shield on them giving them abit more survivalbility via the shield needing to be depleted, but might have to have their payload reduced an the cost of them increased. Or if you could use smaller ships like fighters as escorts for the torpedoes that might try an keep pace with them in close range their shield maybe giving some protection till they veer off when the torp gets close to the target.
It would be interesting to see something like being able to destablize a small area of shields with a specific type of weapon, which allows missiles or rockets thru the shield to hit the hull without fully having to deplete the shield, but this would be only for a short period of time before it stabilized once more.
Imagine torpedoes only being visible in the HUD within the 4000 meter range. Giving turret operators only five seconds to lock on and destroy them before impact and the suprise on their face when they realise it was a Polaris firing four of them at once.
Great vid, the main thing I don't like with the Polaris is that bridge position, I dont know if targeted destruction will be a thing such as bridge targeting but even if its not I just think it looks a little out of place. the main things I like about the Polaris that is has over the Perseus has are the med bay (hopefully this may change to a limited medical facility) and hanger. I also had to think about crew requirements and the Perseus better suits my solo play style and I just love the style of it, it looks like a futuristic destroyer/battleship with those big ass turrets.
greetings from the guy in the defender who accidentally rammed the idris at the end there o/ was very bummed to miss the explosion and here it is for me, thanks for posting! I wonder how much damage the kamikaze did in the end
While I think the point defense can be used against fighters, I think they'll probably be more often used for defending against incoming torpedoes. I think the Perseus will be best-used in conjunction with another sub-cap like the hammerhead (and the polaris, for that matter).
@@tticd Yah the polaris is designed more to be a solo forward observer scout for a fleet while the hammerhead and Persues are support ships. Though I made sure to have me a good base in smaller ships to go make money until either my org gets enough players are we end up merging in with a bigger group for the big ship play. I get a feeling a lot of folks are going to get ships stolen from them by having to few crew to man them.
I was there for that idris fight! I’m excited for when these bigger ships will be usable and when there’s a good reason to have them, the org I’m part of plans to do massive cargo convoys when it’s possible which will generate large amount of income and you will want a security escort cause where there money there’s a pirate that wants it
thank you for that very clearly expressed contrasting elements between the two ships. I was seriously considering the polaris as what id described as "the useful and well armed 890Jump" (it will likely be 200m long by the end of concept with all those rooms), but in reality it will be a nightmare to crew and a money sink to run. ill stick with my wholly solo-able perseus. Merci beaucoup!
A task force based around the Polaris I think would ideally include a Hammerhead, two Perseus, a Starfarer Gemini and a Crucible. Load the cargo bays with spare parts, ammo and food/water, and you have a patrol with extreme longevity and no easy counter. The Hammerhead and Polaris each are lethal to fighters, and paired with a Perseus, bombers and any other medium ships can't get close. Anything large can be overwhelmed by the Perseus' smaller torpedoes so the Polaris' Size 10's can knock out at least one shield facing, and then the Perseus' guns tear it up to be finished by the Polaris' next volley, if needed. Add a Liberator carrying a Vulture and a Mole, and you could stay out nearly forever.
I am actually severely struggling on which of these two to get. Perseus has a cooler bridge design, can easily be crewed, and packs a massive punch for its size! The Polaris is much bigger (I consider this a +), can store ships in a hanger, has actual massive torps, but it takes a ton of people to crew, oh and it also has a medbay! Anyways, I am stuck, don't really want both of them. The current $$ price is just so close to one another that I may just upgrade to the Polaris if given a chance, as I expect its in game cost to be much much more than the Perseus! I hope this video help!
I think the Polaris is going to be highly dependent on the Vulcans for re arming or refueling.... Unless there is a large or capital equivilant of a Vulcan. I think the effectiveness of the polaris will come down to the balance they strike regarding how difficult it is for point defense or counter measures to defeat incoming torpedos
I never really thought about slaving the Perseus main gun to the pilot - I just assumed a turret that size was going to require a man to operate, but being able to run solo ERT's would be pretty hilarious
I would go with the Perseus because it requires less crew, I have two other friends that play and we could have fun in that, the medical bed and the landing bay in the Polaris is cool for boarding party gameplay but I don't see our group playing like that often.
bouth the Polaris & Perseus need to have a HH as suport,and a combo of those 3 ships will be an awsome site to see,my is a very small org and the Perseus would be a perfect fit for us ,but still thet is mostly for fleet fights ,but i like bouth ships
Why does a Polaris need a Hammerhead? It already has a l load of S4 turrets on it, plus automated missile turrets. It's more heavily armoured as well. Dragging a Hammerhead along would just be an expensive waste of time.
Vanguard Harbinger versus Freelancer MIS would be a good way to incorporate missile operator mode into the review in 3.14. Both are about the same weight class, similar pilot controlled firepower, single manned turret, and they differentiate themselves from the rest of their family with added missile capacity.
As you mentioned the Perseus has a long range due to 2 L fuel tanks and a L quantum fuel tank . If you are operating in the outer rim systems, I don't know if large swarms of fighters can get out that far. Besides the Perseus has heavy armor + 2 L shields and I don't see S 3 weapons doing much against that while occupied by auto turrets. The 92 max SCM speed is just standard combat maneuvering speed, not how fast it can go.
Even though I got a Perseus and while I think the Polirs is nice having the hanger bay and all, but it's more long rang ship compared to the protective gun ship.
Good comparison! But why pick between them when you have both? 🙂 I'll use the perseus as a more relaxed combat vessel, while my polaris will probably be functioning as my org base. Perseus is a very nice ship that fits a more realistic player crew size and still packs a wallop and has good utility with the 50 scu rover bay.
The way I see it is the Perseus has point defence turrets that are designed to shoot down missiles and torpedoes. The Polaris can’t shoot down size 7 cannon rounds as they move too quick.
But with far better radar，polaris can always attack first and run away before being scouted with information advantage and faster speed, and polaris have hangar even capable for an eclipse. I don't believe the Perseus could withstand such combo attacks.
Got the full set of "Corvettes" which I intend to use in a small anti-capital "task force". Org gameplay is a prereq 'though Carrack -> Scout Corvette Role: forward scout and target management. Basically this ship can't really fight but can act as a small Command'n'Control ship in the field. The Carrack doesn't have to fight at all so the captain can act as a group leader and direct other vessels in combat. Also the Carrack can launch a shuttle or light fighter (I think the Arrow fits in its hangar), supporting other fighters or defending itself. Hammerhead -> Anti Fighter Corvette (the ship is not a corvette but currently listed as one in the game) Role: screens against fighters and needs to work in tandem with the Perseus. Both ships are grouped with the Polaris. If needed, the Hammerhead can be outfitted to defeat other similar sized vessels including the Perseus by using cannons instead of repeaters or gatlings. Also, if fitted with distortion cannons, the Hammerhead can be used to shut down shields of a hostile target. Depending on its outfit, the Hammerhead can fill different roles but only one at a time. There's no "jack-of-all-trades" loadout. Either anti-shield, anti-ship or anti-fighter, but not all three. Perseus -> Anti Ship Corvette (again: this ship is not a true corvette but may be listed as one in the game) Role: fire support. The Perseus fields four size seven guns and is intented to take out ships of her own size and even above, when used in "wolf packs". However, if used as an escort craft for a Polaris or Idris, the guns will bolster both ship classes fighting capabilities. If an Idris or Polaris is attacked by hostile craft, the Perseus may tackle the attacker with its S7 guns while the Idris / Polaris don't have to turn and won't have to quit their current job. The Perseus is LESS versatile compared to a Hammerhead since turret guns can't be replaced. Polaris -> Anti Capital Corvette (the only true corvette so far) Role: Capital Ship Cracker. Seriously. A Tali or an Exclipse are using S9 torpedoes and a single one is usually enough to destroy a Hammerhead. A couple of them can kill an Idris. The Polaris comes with S10 torpedoes and can fire four of 'em per salvo. I can't imagine what damage a full hit does, but I bet, any Idris won't survive two direct hits despite active shields. The Polaris comes with 28 torpedoes, which means, one can take out 3 Idris frigates in theory and still has torpedoes to spare. Now think of a wolf pack of 'em and you got a serious threat that can and will punch a hole in your fleet if left unattented. That being said, even a small task force as the one I want to use, can take out single capital ships with acceptable cost overhead. Also comes with a hangar for a fighter. "Currency" manpower (cost efficiency) The currency I'm talking about is manpower, as every single player usually has at least one, more often than not multiple fighters and ships and need to be convinved to join a crew instead piloting own fighters. The sum is: 5 (Carrack) + 7 (Hammerhead) + 6 (Perseus) + 9 (Polaris, skeleton crew) = 27. Plus 2 fighter pilots. 29 players for that task force. The Idris, if crewed properly, may have a similar amount of players but is only one ship and comes with less firepower and less versatility per player. However: you also can bring 29 players via bombers and fighters to the field and may have the same result. It's just less cool :)
Warbond CCU from perseus to Polaris is $25, and it's no longer limited. I kinda wish the perseus was a better ship- it seems so much weaker than the Polaris. The Perseus is probably the coolest looking ship in the game.
I mean, it's role is entirely different though, when comparing to killing big ships sure, but like was said in the video, the persues is a defensive ship.
I think the Perseus will be the more popular pick, it looks much more traditional, cheaper, easier to maintain and easier to man. And having main firepower relied upon cannons instead of torpedos is definitely what id prefer tbh. Unless torpedos can be remotely controlled eventually
Great video I would love either ship but I am going with Big guns over Missiles as they are cheap to use LOL One thing I wish you would add is if you was on your own what would the pilot have at hand. you talked about blades for controlling turrets . when are they coming to SC ? as much as I would like to have a crew Im not so sure I could. so how effective would they be as solo ?
this is a question i've been asking myself. i have an upgrade from a Perseus to Polaris. I frankly like the Perseus better. The one thing that makes me hesitate is the med bay. it could be so useful
From what we've seen of Size 5's and the Size 6's on the Jav. Plus being S7 Ballistics, they'll have the disadvantage of an ammo counter, but no energy drain, with high alpha. So.. probably punch holes through ships of its size and atleast be capable of aiding larger vessels in cap ship battles. Honestly, with the new mechanics, caps and so forth. With ballistics being high alpha / high ROF with ammo constraints. Yea, my above statement may seem more accurate now, honestly the Perseus is looking more enticing due to its low crew count, yet raw pure focus. Sub-cap upto corvette sized, I don't think you'll want to be hit by four size 7 ballistics. For a sub-cap, thats a pretty insane amount of firepower, yet its likely got a rather low amount of ammo, unless we're able to fill half the cargo hold with more ammo and haul it upto what appears to be the autoloading system.
I'll be honest I still have no clue how the Polaris has a capital class radar yet the Idris doesn't.... xD you would think a sub-carrier frigate would have one of those... love your vids bro :)
I would have actually preferred if they just got rid of the lower back turret on the perseus and installed a larger torpedobay instead. S5 torps are very tiny, they are the ones that come with the Vanguard Harbinger and Gladiator.
How often are we going to need to destroy a cap ship? I agree that the Polaris is better, but the costs to operate need to meet its utility. I think we're going to use the Perseus more often. And this ship pair with the HammerHead is a no go for the major pirate raids.
Do you have any idea how many Capital ships there are in players hands? My Primary organisation has 38 Javelins (including mine) and literally hundreds of Idris and Polaris hulls. I would say the need to kill capital ships both PvE and PvP will be very common if you go looking for it.
Considering the S5 torpedoes of the Perseus, I think they are more of a finishing weapon for physical damage models. Instead of firing them at fighters, or even other large ships as an opening salvo, I see them more as an execution weapon. First you cripple the target with the S7 guns on those turrets. And after the target is crippled by repeated hits on engines, drained shields, damaged components... You fire a salvo of S5 torpedoes into the side of the target, to make sure it doesn't get back into the fight. In contrast, the Polaris torpedoes are its' main weapon. It is designed to launch a deadly nuclear weapons style missile strike against larger targets. Aided by the capital class radar and computer, it should be able to land rather consistent hits on large capital class ships. This sort of firepower will be enough to completely solo the shields of large capital class ships. Cripple those ships systems once shields are down. And deal the finishing blows after they are crippled. Trade-off being, the Polaris is rather squishy for the size it is, being comparable to Perseus and Hammerhead, but having noticeably thinner armor. Instead, relying on devastating salvos of torpedoes, and relatively high speed to hit and run before being critically damaged. The guns on the Polaris are just for defending itself against fighters and bombers. Too small to even dent ships of its' own size. Or at least, that is the design intent. And if we do get physical damage models with armor being a thing, it will play that way. But as of now, torpedoes and guns are just DPS. The large spike damage profile of the torpedo, is not extremely useful until we get to the S9+ classes, and just shelling the target with more guns until it blows up, is the meta. But once ships start physically degrading from being fired, and losing systems as they get damaged. Then you will want missiles and torpedoes to launch at crippled targets, as they are more likely to splash damage the remaining components, as well as cause structural damage that won't be easy to repair during the fight.
Polaris has more game loops I think. Perseus makes more sense game wise as you can run the whole ship with a crew of 4. Much more feasible for small groups.
Isn't the Perseus for attacks against medium ships (i.e. smaller than the Persus) and the Polaris for attacks against ships in its own weight class? Like the Perseus, for example.
Yeah, not knowing anything about how the game will actually play in 10-20 years when it (hopefully) reaches something like a soft release, my totally unfounded pie-in-the-sky ideal small-to-medium sized org big ship loadout will be something like a polaris, perseus, and maybe an idris-k if there's enough folks to crew it + npcs, with whatever mix of fighters is appropriate for the job at hand. Possibly 2-3 Arrows if they'll fit in the polaris hangar bay, then maybe a sabre, an eclipse, and a mantis in the idris. Nice mix of torpedos for alpha strike, and heavy guns and lasers for keeping shields on the fritz and maintaining consistent damage on target, while the having a solid number of escort fighters.
Kinda missed out on the advantages of having a fighter housed in the Polaris which creates a larger array of dynamic offensive and defensive capabilities. Polaris seemingly underwhelming armor could be subsidized by better shielding equipment. Overall, Between the Perseus and Polaris boils down to effective roles assign. I choose the Polaris as a mobile base where I can move from system to system and do missions with the fighter. Most the crew will be AI/Blade (nonballistic armaments for cost efficiency) while the critical roles will be a skeleton player crew. Just the same if I don't have the crew I can still function with the Polaris. I think my initial go is to make 1MIL UEC and then move on to the next system. Could take a day could take a week. IF I am called to join an organized battle my ship is ready at all times.
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The ships in SC are like potato chips. One just isn't enough.
You mean Ben N Jerry's? Take the whole tub.
potato chips, each ranging in real world money price from ~$40 to $3000
and after getting one you cant hold yourself back from getting another
I made the mistake of getting one… then two and three and four and now I have a Perseus
That’s what your mom said to your dad about me.
The MSR totally carried that Idris battle. You guys were lucky it was there.
The way I see it is the Polaris should run with a Perseus or two as a support group. They very much compliment each other. With the Perseus being more maneuverable, a 2 or 3 ship combat group like this could put a serious smack down on a larger capitol. Neither of these should be operated independently in combat without some kind of support. Add in a Squadron of 4 Andromeda's(getting updates again with dedicated Missile controller seat) and you have a fighter suppression umbrella. I know if I saw a combat group with 1 Polaris, 1 Perseus, and 4 Connie's coming at me I would probably crap my pants.
Very late to the reply as I just found this video but I 100% agree. My org's fleet of 'line ships' consists of 2 Perseus, 1 Polaris, 1 Hammerhead and 1 Carrack (the Carrack to operate as AWACs, sensor support, and to assist the Hammerhead). We figure that with this set up it will allow us a chance to punch way above our weight class if push comes to shove.
honestly should 1 perseus and 1 hammerhead as escort. keep those fighters at bay
id deffinently want a hammerhead or two in that group, fighters could wreck the percys while the polaris is far from them on their run
and do what hunt hemmerheads in bounty id take a perceus and a hammerhead and pirate the routes
Can't wait for the Perseus, being in a small org it's a perfect fit for us; me in the pilot seat, two mates on the turrets and another two in their vanguards running escort - that's a ton of force projection for only five people.
Could have 4 vanguards percy can be soloed by blades alone... So 6 Perseus by my count is better.
youre gonna need more crew than that to manage everything efficiently. Not having an Engineer trying to captain and pilot will not be as efficient as a crew that seperates the two.
@James Stewart perseus can stay +10km range from idris while bombarding it. From that range, idris wont be able to hit perseus because that boomstick projectile is quite slow.
@IOwOI 1 v 1? The Idris wins 11 out if 10 fights against a Perseus. Perseus won't dent a fully fledged Capital ship. Not if the capital is captained by a half competent player.
@@captainharlock3998 But that's the whole point of the Perseus is to actually go and take on a capital class ship. It's is extremely armored so even if there were a few fighters on it while it was firing on the Idris it would take a long time to do some decent damage that and there are the size 3 turrents to help take on those fighters and deter those fighters. I'd say it's 70/30 fight leaning towards the Idris but the Perseus will definitely be able to take on some capitals but not without a challenge.
Perseus and Hammerhead seem like a great combo for a smaller fleet. If you don't have the huge numbers to crew a massive armada, you've got one set of huge guns with little worries and a ship bristling with turrets to mop up fighters.
For me.
If you choosing based on strength of the ship, the Polaris.
If you are choosing based on the crew you can field, the Perseus, cos you can fire every weapon on 3-4 Perseus with the crew it takes for 1 Polaris.
Well NPC and blades mean who cares. But Percy can be all bladed so no need for NPC they have said.
Percy gets medium jump points going to be my see the verse ship.. Polaris is the lets blow stuff up ship.
@@bezdownunder5481 Depends how good blades are, which considering the AI turrets we face on enemy ships, is pretty awful.
CIG did say there'd be different levels of performance, but we still don't have a baseline for that.
Also there will be a cost to using shards for turrets, as shards are meant to boost many things, likely shields and powerplant efficiency, radar resolution, etc.
You might be nerfing your ship in order to fly with a smaller crew.
@@RoballTV yet current turrets are aim bot for players.. its almost impossible 2 miss as a player in a turret.
Can't get enough of these comparison videos! They're really good :D
I don't even understand why they're being compared to begin with. You could man a Hammerhead and a Perseus (Two ships smaller, and cheaper to run) with the same amount of crew a Polaris demands and have a better security net for your operations than just having one Polaris, not to mention the Polaris being a military capital inherently means it's going to be extremely expensive to operate.
Great stuff dude! I picked up a Perseus during IAE...but I think the Polaris is my dream ship for late game exploration/patrol and colony defense!
Thanks for the videos, they're super fun! :D
When I got home from work, I was watching this at 4am and passed out from your soothing voice. Thanks buddy 😜👍
Nice comparison and since I also got an ultra-wide, it adds additional joy watching these videos. Merry Xmas!
Good to see another versus vid, great job again Law!
Dude, you make great videos, periodt. Hope you are having a happy and safe holiday! Thank you.
Great video I scooped me up a Persus at launch so excited for it for what purpose it serves.
That's up until now the best review of these ships I found. Thank you very much!
Again quick, clean, and all the info I needed with as good an orator as morpholegyst, that makes all the difference in the world jus nice cadence precise pronunciation and enunciation and we'll formated and well organized delivery of information. As a seizure vic there are times I just can't understand what someone is saying but those who are amazing at these skills it's totally different, I have no trouble understanding them and I'm left with understanding instead of a feeling of ineptitude.
Torpedo explosions add so much to the already-excellent B-roll.
Great vid, Law. Thanks for it and merry Christmas! 🎄
Thank you, and merry Christmas to you as well!
Great breakdown of the two ships, some really good in-game footage too!!! 👍👍💯
I enjoy your video! The Perseus feels like a USS Missouri styled for space spaceship to me, which I totally love! I hope it's as pew pew as I think it will be.
Awesome video. I went ahead and got both. I am hoping the Polaris is practical enough for me to use on my own with an NPC crew, but I got the Perseus in case the Polaris isn't practical for my primary big ship gameplay.
Love the theory craft bruv. Looking forward to the next vid
Thanks for the insights!
Love your content! I can't wait for the Polaris.
Always loved this series!!!
Excellent as always Law!!
I still find this facinnating how many Wing Commander designs are being reimanged and updated.
nice rundown, thanks
Awesome breakdown! I can't wait til the Polaris is in game!
Great video man, I love the comparison and the breakdown. Personally I'm leaning toward the Perseus.
I'm really curious to see what the Perseus will be like when it comes into the game. At the moment we can only speculate about the design, functionality, armour or firepower of this ship. But I wouldn't be surprised if the final result has some deviations from the concept design.
I have both in my buy-back! Keep up the awesome videos!
Why not just keep it in your hangar?
Excellent video as always.
Great breakdown
I see the perseus more as an anti big ship deterent for your home base thats able to respond quickly to a big threat in a region or indeed act like merchant defense like the hammerhead. And the polaris as a patrol craft for security missions or for locking down a sector. Or wherever you may need it, since it has a lot more versitility.
love the new intro and logo. looks sick.
I really liked both so I got both. 😂🤣 just need to build up my org a bit more to get people to help me run them.
Same
If you wanna run with an org, we're a pretty chill group with a military theme. About 28 members so far. We do weekly ops and mess around in between!
I am part of Polaris Corp Organization. We are flying Polaris ships and now also Perseus ships.
@@ASSASSYN Jesus christ, can you imagine being assaulted by a group of Polaris and Perseus ships. Even a Javelin would be scared.
i wish i had a capital ship, my org is in need of such resources and we have more then enough people to crew 10 javelins XD
Imagine if they brought out torpedoes that had a personal shield on them giving them abit more survivalbility via the shield needing to be depleted, but might have to have their payload reduced an the cost of them increased. Or if you could use smaller ships like fighters as escorts for the torpedoes that might try an keep pace with them in close range their shield maybe giving some protection till they veer off when the torp gets close to the target.
It would be interesting to see something like being able to destablize a small area of shields with a specific type of weapon, which allows missiles or rockets thru the shield to hit the hull without fully having to deplete the shield, but this would be only for a short period of time before it stabilized once more.
Imagine torpedoes only being visible in the HUD within the 4000 meter range. Giving turret operators only five seconds to lock on and destroy them before impact and the suprise on their face when they realise it was a Polaris firing four of them at once.
Keep it up bro, good stuff.
The usual high quality vid 🤘
Great vid, the main thing I don't like with the Polaris is that bridge position, I dont know if targeted destruction will be a thing such as bridge targeting but even if its not I just think it looks a little out of place. the main things I like about the Polaris that is has over the Perseus has are the med bay (hopefully this may change to a limited medical facility) and hanger.
I also had to think about crew requirements and the Perseus better suits my solo play style and I just love the style of it, it looks like a futuristic destroyer/battleship with those big ass turrets.
greetings from the guy in the defender who accidentally rammed the idris at the end there o/
was very bummed to miss the explosion and here it is for me, thanks for posting! I wonder how much damage the kamikaze did in the end
As usual very good quality content
You did a good job on this video
While I think the point defense can be used against fighters, I think they'll probably be more often used for defending against incoming torpedoes. I think the Perseus will be best-used in conjunction with another sub-cap like the hammerhead (and the polaris, for that matter).
Just like Carrier groups in real life, you will have support ships in most big fleets.
Exactly - these things aren't meant to be out there solo, although people will definitely use them that way.
@@tticd Yah the polaris is designed more to be a solo forward observer scout for a fleet while the hammerhead and Persues are support ships. Though I made sure to have me a good base in smaller ships to go make money until either my org gets enough players are we end up merging in with a bigger group for the big ship play. I get a feeling a lot of folks are going to get ships stolen from them by having to few crew to man them.
I was there for that idris fight! I’m excited for when these bigger ships will be usable and when there’s a good reason to have them, the org I’m part of plans to do massive cargo convoys when it’s possible which will generate large amount of income and you will want a security escort cause where there money there’s a pirate that wants it
thank you for that very clearly expressed contrasting elements between the two ships. I was seriously considering the polaris as what id described as "the useful and well armed 890Jump" (it will likely be 200m long by the end of concept with all those rooms), but in reality it will be a nightmare to crew and a money sink to run. ill stick with my wholly solo-able perseus. Merci beaucoup!
A task force based around the Polaris I think would ideally include a Hammerhead, two Perseus, a Starfarer Gemini and a Crucible.
Load the cargo bays with spare parts, ammo and food/water, and you have a patrol with extreme longevity and no easy counter. The Hammerhead and Polaris each are lethal to fighters, and paired with a Perseus, bombers and any other medium ships can't get close. Anything large can be overwhelmed by the Perseus' smaller torpedoes so the Polaris' Size 10's can knock out at least one shield facing, and then the Perseus' guns tear it up to be finished by the Polaris' next volley, if needed.
Add a Liberator carrying a Vulture and a Mole, and you could stay out nearly forever.
I look at it like this, the Perseus is a great force multiplier, but the polaris is capable of being a force lol.
I am actually severely struggling on which of these two to get. Perseus has a cooler bridge design, can easily be crewed, and packs a massive punch for its size! The Polaris is much bigger (I consider this a +), can store ships in a hanger, has actual massive torps, but it takes a ton of people to crew, oh and it also has a medbay! Anyways, I am stuck, don't really want both of them. The current $$ price is just so close to one another that I may just upgrade to the Polaris if given a chance, as I expect its in game cost to be much much more than the Perseus! I hope this video help!
I had the Polaris but downgraded to a Perseus, I'm sure in another 5 years I'll change my mind again.
The teamplay with a group running BOTH.. That's the best solution!
Love these vids!
Solid video!
So I was wondering the comparison of the Freelancer Max vs the theoretical Constellation Taurus (or even a regular Conny at this point?
I think the Polaris is going to be highly dependent on the Vulcans for re arming or refueling.... Unless there is a large or capital equivilant of a Vulcan. I think the effectiveness of the polaris will come down to the balance they strike regarding how difficult it is for point defense or counter measures to defeat incoming torpedos
I never really thought about slaving the Perseus main gun to the pilot - I just assumed a turret that size was going to require a man to operate, but being able to run solo ERT's would be pretty hilarious
I solo ERTs in my Vanguard Harbinger. I can one shot heavy fighters with the torpedoes, and whittle down the Hammerhead with missiles and guns.
I would go with the Perseus because it requires less crew, I have two other friends that play and we could have fun in that, the medical bed and the landing bay in the Polaris is cool for boarding party gameplay but I don't see our group playing like that often.
bouth the Polaris & Perseus need to have a HH as suport,and a combo of those 3 ships will be an awsome site to see,my is a very small org and the Perseus would be a perfect fit for us ,but still thet is mostly for fleet fights ,but i like bouth ships
Why does a Polaris need a Hammerhead? It already has a l load of S4 turrets on it, plus automated missile turrets. It's more heavily armoured as well. Dragging a Hammerhead along would just be an expensive waste of time.
@@schoolboymafia not the Polaris ,but the Perseus yes, and i ment thet as a fleet heding to combat against other players
Vanguard Harbinger versus Freelancer MIS would be a good way to incorporate missile operator mode into the review in 3.14. Both are about the same weight class, similar pilot controlled firepower, single manned turret, and they differentiate themselves from the rest of their family with added missile capacity.
As you mentioned the Perseus has a long range due to 2 L fuel tanks and a L quantum fuel tank .
If you are operating in the outer rim systems, I don't know if large swarms of fighters can get out that far.
Besides the Perseus has heavy armor + 2 L shields and I don't see S 3 weapons doing much against that while occupied
by auto turrets. The 92 max SCM speed is just standard combat maneuvering speed, not how fast it can go.
Even though I got a Perseus and while I think the Polirs is nice having the hanger bay and all, but it's more long rang ship compared to the protective gun ship.
Polaris can deal with small fighters and large ships/cap ship attack. Also Polaris can easily be HQ for a small to medium org.
Good comparison! But why pick between them when you have both? 🙂
I'll use the perseus as a more relaxed combat vessel, while my polaris will probably be functioning as my org base. Perseus is a very nice ship that fits a more realistic player crew size and still packs a wallop and has good utility with the 50 scu rover bay.
The way I see it is the Perseus has point defence turrets that are designed to shoot down missiles and torpedoes. The Polaris can’t shoot down size 7 cannon rounds as they move too quick.
But with far better radar，polaris can always attack first and run away before being scouted with information advantage and faster speed, and polaris have hangar even capable for an eclipse. I don't believe the Perseus could withstand such combo attacks.
I've got a Perseus, and I bought the 20 dollar CCU to the Polaris. Once they're both out I'll make my decision as to which one to keep
I cant wait for all those cool ships to be in the game and fight it out, then some random pop in with a BMM who as of now have 4 size 6 guns.
Honestly, highly expect the component sizes to get bigger for the Polaris. Especially for the fuel tanks. Expect 2 Large or 1 capital
A Perseus seems like the perfect flagship for a small fleet. Only needing a crew of around 5 is a huge advantage.
Got the full set of "Corvettes" which I intend to use in a small anti-capital "task force". Org gameplay is a prereq 'though
Carrack -> Scout Corvette
Role: forward scout and target management. Basically this ship can't really fight but can act as a small Command'n'Control ship in the field. The Carrack doesn't have to fight at all so the captain can act as a group leader and direct other vessels in combat. Also the Carrack can launch a shuttle or light fighter (I think the Arrow fits in its hangar), supporting other fighters or defending itself.
Hammerhead -> Anti Fighter Corvette (the ship is not a corvette but currently listed as one in the game)
Role: screens against fighters and needs to work in tandem with the Perseus. Both ships are grouped with the Polaris.
If needed, the Hammerhead can be outfitted to defeat other similar sized vessels including the Perseus by using cannons instead of repeaters or gatlings. Also, if fitted with distortion cannons, the Hammerhead can be used to shut down shields of a hostile target. Depending on its outfit, the Hammerhead can fill different roles but only one at a time. There's no "jack-of-all-trades" loadout. Either anti-shield, anti-ship or anti-fighter, but not all three.
Perseus -> Anti Ship Corvette (again: this ship is not a true corvette but may be listed as one in the game)
Role: fire support. The Perseus fields four size seven guns and is intented to take out ships of her own size and even above, when used in "wolf packs". However, if used as an escort craft for a Polaris or Idris, the guns will bolster both ship classes fighting capabilities. If an Idris or Polaris is attacked by hostile craft, the Perseus may tackle the attacker with its S7 guns while the Idris / Polaris don't have to turn and won't have to quit their current job.
The Perseus is LESS versatile compared to a Hammerhead since turret guns can't be replaced.
Polaris -> Anti Capital Corvette (the only true corvette so far)
Role: Capital Ship Cracker. Seriously. A Tali or an Exclipse are using S9 torpedoes and a single one is usually enough to destroy a Hammerhead. A couple of them can kill an Idris. The Polaris comes with S10 torpedoes and can fire four of 'em per salvo. I can't imagine what damage a full hit does, but I bet, any Idris won't survive two direct hits despite active shields. The Polaris comes with 28 torpedoes, which means, one can take out 3 Idris frigates in theory and still has torpedoes to spare. Now think of a wolf pack of 'em and you got a serious threat that can and will punch a hole in your fleet if left unattented. That being said, even a small task force as the one I want to use, can take out single capital ships with acceptable cost overhead.
Also comes with a hangar for a fighter.
"Currency" manpower (cost efficiency)
The currency I'm talking about is manpower, as every single player usually has at least one, more often than not multiple fighters and ships and need to be convinved to join a crew instead piloting own fighters. The sum is: 5 (Carrack) + 7 (Hammerhead) + 6 (Perseus) + 9 (Polaris, skeleton crew) = 27. Plus 2 fighter pilots. 29 players for that task force. The Idris, if crewed properly, may have a similar amount of players but is only one ship and comes with less firepower and less versatility per player.
However: you also can bring 29 players via bombers and fighters to the field and may have the same result. It's just less cool :)
Warbond CCU from perseus to Polaris is $25, and it's no longer limited. I kinda wish the perseus was a better ship- it seems so much weaker than the Polaris. The Perseus is probably the coolest looking ship in the game.
I mean, it's role is entirely different though, when comparing to killing big ships sure, but like was said in the video, the persues is a defensive ship.
I think the Perseus will be the more popular pick, it looks much more traditional, cheaper, easier to maintain and easier to man. And having main firepower relied upon cannons instead of torpedos is definitely what id prefer tbh. Unless torpedos can be remotely controlled eventually
Great video I would love either ship but I am going with Big guns over Missiles as they are cheap to use LOL
One thing I wish you would add is if you was on your own what would the pilot have at hand. you talked about blades for controlling turrets . when are they coming to SC ? as much as I would like to have a crew Im not so sure I could. so how effective would they be as solo ?
this is a question i've been asking myself. i have an upgrade from a Perseus to Polaris. I frankly like the Perseus better. The one thing that makes me hesitate is the med bay. it could be so useful
I was actually considering getting the perseus. But after I've seen what they did to the Ion not any more...
Perseus guns are, what, size 7? It's hard to gauge how powerful that would be.
From what we've seen of Size 5's and the Size 6's on the Jav.
Plus being S7 Ballistics, they'll have the disadvantage of an ammo counter, but no energy drain, with high alpha.
So.. probably punch holes through ships of its size and atleast be capable of aiding larger vessels in cap ship battles.
Honestly, with the new mechanics, caps and so forth. With ballistics being high alpha / high ROF with ammo constraints.
Yea, my above statement may seem more accurate now, honestly the Perseus is looking more enticing due to its low crew count, yet raw pure focus.
Sub-cap upto corvette sized, I don't think you'll want to be hit by four size 7 ballistics.
For a sub-cap, thats a pretty insane amount of firepower, yet its likely got a rather low amount of ammo, unless we're able to fill half the cargo hold with more ammo and haul it upto what appears to be the autoloading system.
I'll be honest I still have no clue how the Polaris has a capital class radar yet the Idris doesn't.... xD
you would think a sub-carrier frigate would have one of those... love your vids bro :)
Long range torpedo boat!
As a solo player , the Perseus is what I’ll aim for when it releases in game shops
Crew requirements, capital ship fuel and torpedo bills is gonna be rough for the Polaris.
I would not mind have one or both escorting my Hull E!
good stuff
Could you fit two small fighter ships in the Perseus’s hangar? Preferably a ship with a QT drive. With good firepower unlike the Snubs.
I would have actually preferred if they just got rid of the lower back turret on the perseus and installed a larger torpedobay instead. S5 torps are very tiny, they are the ones that come with the Vanguard Harbinger and Gladiator.
How often are we going to need to destroy a cap ship? I agree that the Polaris is better, but the costs to operate need to meet its utility. I think we're going to use the Perseus more often. And this ship pair with the HammerHead is a no go for the major pirate raids.
I think if you need to kill anything smaller than cap 3 ares crusaders>Perseus
@@ragnarbaron6090 Perseus can easily concentrate fire on one section of shield. Aeres damage will be spread out
Polaris does a lot more than just carry torps, it will be an excellent general purpose and patrolling ship.
@@T51B1 it’s all right at what it does. I still think the ares is gonna be the pirate ship of choice
Do you have any idea how many Capital ships there are in players hands? My Primary organisation has 38 Javelins (including mine) and literally hundreds of Idris and Polaris hulls. I would say the need to kill capital ships both PvE and PvP will be very common if you go looking for it.
if u need a torpedo delivery system just grab a retaliator :D
Locked in .👍
Considering the S5 torpedoes of the Perseus, I think they are more of a finishing weapon for physical damage models. Instead of firing them at fighters, or even other large ships as an opening salvo, I see them more as an execution weapon. First you cripple the target with the S7 guns on those turrets. And after the target is crippled by repeated hits on engines, drained shields, damaged components... You fire a salvo of S5 torpedoes into the side of the target, to make sure it doesn't get back into the fight.
In contrast, the Polaris torpedoes are its' main weapon. It is designed to launch a deadly nuclear weapons style missile strike against larger targets. Aided by the capital class radar and computer, it should be able to land rather consistent hits on large capital class ships. This sort of firepower will be enough to completely solo the shields of large capital class ships. Cripple those ships systems once shields are down. And deal the finishing blows after they are crippled. Trade-off being, the Polaris is rather squishy for the size it is, being comparable to Perseus and Hammerhead, but having noticeably thinner armor. Instead, relying on devastating salvos of torpedoes, and relatively high speed to hit and run before being critically damaged. The guns on the Polaris are just for defending itself against fighters and bombers. Too small to even dent ships of its' own size. Or at least, that is the design intent. And if we do get physical damage models with armor being a thing, it will play that way.
But as of now, torpedoes and guns are just DPS. The large spike damage profile of the torpedo, is not extremely useful until we get to the S9+ classes, and just shelling the target with more guns until it blows up, is the meta. But once ships start physically degrading from being fired, and losing systems as they get damaged. Then you will want missiles and torpedoes to launch at crippled targets, as they are more likely to splash damage the remaining components, as well as cause structural damage that won't be easy to repair during the fight.
Imagine being a captain of a Polaris in battle… in VR 🤩
Polaris has more game loops I think. Perseus makes more sense game wise as you can run the whole ship with a crew of 4. Much more feasible for small groups.
Isn't the Perseus for attacks against medium ships (i.e. smaller than the Persus) and the Polaris for attacks against ships in its own weight class? Like the Perseus, for example.
Damn. I want the Perseus, but now I also want the Polaris..
Can i shoot the S10 torpedos from the pilot seat? in the polaris?
Guns actually hit so torps are the disadvantage you have to try to catch a torp
Yeah, not knowing anything about how the game will actually play in 10-20 years when it (hopefully) reaches something like a soft release, my totally unfounded pie-in-the-sky ideal small-to-medium sized org big ship loadout will be something like a polaris, perseus, and maybe an idris-k if there's enough folks to crew it + npcs, with whatever mix of fighters is appropriate for the job at hand. Possibly 2-3 Arrows if they'll fit in the polaris hangar bay, then maybe a sabre, an eclipse, and a mantis in the idris. Nice mix of torpedos for alpha strike, and heavy guns and lasers for keeping shields on the fritz and maintaining consistent damage on target, while the having a solid number of escort fighters.
3:35 People should start thinking of fleets and then it wont be hard to get a Target in front of it.
Just want to use my Perseus to take on large bounties/defend convoys
this needs a update with the changes to the polaris
Kinda missed out on the advantages of having a fighter housed in the Polaris which creates a larger array of dynamic offensive and defensive capabilities. Polaris seemingly underwhelming armor could be subsidized by better shielding equipment. Overall, Between the Perseus and Polaris boils down to effective roles assign. I choose the Polaris as a mobile base where I can move from system to system and do missions with the fighter. Most the crew will be AI/Blade (nonballistic armaments for cost efficiency) while the critical roles will be a skeleton player crew. Just the same if I don't have the crew I can still function with the Polaris. I think my initial go is to make 1MIL UEC and then move on to the next system. Could take a day could take a week.
IF I am called to join an organized battle my ship is ready at all times.
thank god i got both :D
I couldn't decide and have both
are you saying that the polaris gonna be bigger than intended ?
In my case: both, both are good 🤗