When I began keto 6yrs ago with Dr. Berg I immediately drank the daily recommended combination of apple cider vinegar(2tblsp),lemon juice(2tblsp) and unsweetened cranberry(2 oz for flavor) juice diluted with 6 oz water. I had none of the keto side effects other than losing 50lbs,gout,and diabetes. No oxalate issues.
@@CoachStephen "MCA" or Manufactured Citric Acid is made from a Black MOLD process -- very toxic, carcinogenic, allergenic...and almost ALL Citric Acid is made from this process... Any chance you can address that? Looking for products made FROM **natural Citrus derived Citric Acid** ...as i am one the many people that have issues with Manyfactured/MOLD Derived Citric Acid
Gout can also be oxalates in the joint, not just uric acid. I started talking calcium citrate and it seems to clear the inflammation that I get when I start to get a flare. If it clears again, for sure cal citrate can help with gout
I'm playing around with mag, potassium, and calcium citrates. How much potassium citrate do you do per day, and do you take it once or twice a day? I was taking 1/4tsp of potassium citrate, at least once a day. I wasn't sure whether to believe the warnings about taking too much potassium, because so much has been proven wrong. Like, can I overdose with potassium citrate?
@@audreygregis8721 I heard a video by Dr. Ken Berry where he explains that your body will urinate excess potassium. Personally, I have been using 2x¼ tsps. potassium citrate in my drinking water once or twice a day (so I take up 1800mg supplemental potassium per day). However, potassium is known as being lethal, but I don't know at what dose. The label on the bottle says ¼ tsp. once or twice a day. Hope this helps.
Thank you coach for this section. I wish many people can see this and understand that drinking caffeine and eating dairy, especially heavy creams, which contain significant amount of calcium, these two effects have such high effect on magnesium depletion, electrolyte imbalance and hence the leg cramps that so many people complain about. Very informative
I do all what you mention and have no leg cramps....i take extra calcium pyruvate and calcium carbonate . as Sally said at the begging calcium caused oxalate dumping, it went away after a year.
I take a lot of magnesium supplements so I feel like it balances out any dairy I eat (cheese, yogurt, high-fat milk). However, as Richard Smith points out, potassium is likely the most important nutrient that most of us are deficient in.
Muscle cramps can also be due to not getting enough blood to the muscles, ligament and tendons. If everything has been checked on nutrition, the activity of the blood has to be looked at next. Especially if it happens while a person is walking. I'm waiting for a review of the situation with a consultant.
Sally Norton says people don't get much improvement even after years of eating a low oxalate diet and following other recommendations like getting citrate from lemon and lime juice.
Nausea on the Dr Atkins high protein and low carb diet was proven to be a candida issue. I thought previously Sally said that oxalates bind to calcium and iron. Calcium can certainly be a calcification issue. Calcium and oxalates together = calcification.
Hi, thanks for the comment. This is an edited version of the full hour Sally did with us. We were asked by viewers to put forward some theories so this video reflects that. Sally was great and I hope you get to see the full version.
I disagree. If you want to hear her talk then do a Google search and watch other interviews, or simply read her brilliant book, ‘Toxic Superfoods’. I want to hear her challenged in the polite and courteous manner than Rich did here. I have tried some of her methods and found that calcium citrate made me feel absolutely awful. I would even contend that people with high oxalate in their blood should AVOID calcium. Don’t be a mindless consumer. Think critically and challenge everything
Good to know that magnesium is good to take with calcium. I've started drinking raw milk to help clear oxalates due to ALS, but have experienced some cramping lately. Will add K & Mg supplement to see how it goes. Great discussion, thank you. Toxic Superfoods by Sally - This is the book if you want to learn about oxalates. Sally explains what toxic foods are, why we get sick from oxalate consumption & how we can heal ourselves.
@@daphneweldnichols3846 No. What I do think caused my ALS is overdoing coffee. Since it is an anti nutrient that stops the body from absorbing nutrients, it eventually seems it destroyed organs to the point of no return...
There are very good reasons for eating good clean (non g.m.o.-non b.e. glyphosate free vegetables and good clean organic/grassfed beef/free range fowl. That being said I believe we also need to suppliment too. If they are clean, the right type, the right amount (yes its like a maze) you can move more quickly forward with your health provided your body burden isnt excessive. These burdens could be illness, injury, parasites, heavy metals, mold-biotoxins-biofilms, stress, other chemicals like bpa's etc.(from plastics), formaldahyde-voc's (from cheap furniture, osb, carpets etc. ) and goitrogens=flouride,(treated water- tooth paste- mouthwash) chlorine (treated water swimming pools), bromine ( fire retardents sprayed on mattresses, couches, drapes, carpets, and also bromated flour)///plus a lack of iodine. Then there is the effect of genitic snips and methylation. (I threw out my - folic acid)Then there is lifestyle and epigenetics (chemical exposure, LPS-dental infections exercise- sleep-stress-sunlight-grounding etc. I take zero medications but I do use herbs. When you get stuck find Jesus, the holy spirit can guide you!
Been a year on carnivore and meat based diet. Recently my liver swelled and I started dumping kidney stones. I drank lots of lemon water and added herbs for liver and the stone breaker. Was this oxolate dumping?
@Hannahkeir Hi, thanks for the question. I think you need to get this looked at with a local health care provider asap. I can not diagnose via youtube. Sorry for the non answer. It does sound like oxalate dumping, especially the kidney stones but I can't say
Sarah Ballantyne and Brooke Goldner have excellent videos on oxalates everyone should hear. They correct the false beliefs about oxalates for those who just want the truth without bias.
12 weeks carnavore. Feel weak and fatigued. Muscle issues. Electrolytes, salt, magnesium, calcium citrate makes no difference. Very low oxalates. Dumping issues i guess. Added some fruit back in plus summer squash and courgettes. Feeling just as bad. Ordered potassium citrate hoping this will stop the weakness and fatigue. ANY SUGGESTIONS would be very much appreciated as im struggling! Great discussion. Love Sally. Thankx to all 🤗🌹
@deborahpharaoh4505 Hard to help you as I don't know enough about you. Protein requires 5 X energy to digest compared to carbs and fat so maybe you're eating too much protein in each sitting? The fruits and veg won't help at all, as you discovered. Can you get to our Sunday Live Q&A?
Are you getting enough saturated fat, apparently that type of fat consumption makes a big difference, and stay off the PUFA of bacon and chicken. ruclips.net/video/garRmghnY7U/видео.html
I'm wondering ...what Sally said about calcium, potassium and oxalate dumping in the colon...can this whole process on the carnivore diet and eating cheese/dairy as a source of calcium...is this possible to cause diverticulitis as an oxalate dumping symptom?
I know, OTC potassium only has 99mg, but here is the kicker, that 99mg acts like a strong laxative, I know its in a lot of foods, and probably the best way to get it. but still 4500mg is a hell of a lot minimum requirement.
Why would anyone take take synthetic lab produced stuff with exipients when variety food grown from earth has potassium . Do you know how potassium citrate is made .it is from mould
Why is it not mentioned than ..that ..or can one just supplement magnesium aswell together with calcium ...against the cramps ? or does it than counteract the goal of calcium helping the oxalate dumping effect ?
Can a person have oxilate dumping 6 months into the carnivore diet? Like severe diarrhea? I thought I had food poisoning, but I didn’t throw up or become sweaty or feel like I was going to pass out. I have has food poisoning before. I took 4 Imodium and that did not help. So I decided to drink some tea and eat some pecans and the diarrhea stopped. Is this something that can happen off and on over years. I know you cannot diagnose me, just want to know if this is something that happens to other people.
This is beginning to sound very complicated. I did keto for four months and I've been carnivore for just over two months. Haven't had any symptoms yet with keto or carnivore but I'm starting to dread this oxalate dumping stage I am bound to head into, perhaps in the near future. Is this unavoidable? I don't know of any doctor around my neck of the woods who can help me find the right balance. I haven't even told my doctor I'm a carnivore because he'd have a fit.
Ok,calcium can add to the symptoms because of more dumping....oy Trying to get this figured out! I wonder if im taking too much calcium. My gout is brutal
Does magnesium glycinate help with oxalates? What about adding moringa powder, which has lots of calcium in it? What about adding celery, which has sodium, to smoothies?
If I eat at least a large salad every night my ankles , legs, and feet do not swell and any swelling goes away as it does if I swim that day. I have been just stuffing myself with high oxalate foods unknowingly. Do you think the high potassium content of salad is why this wanted effect occurs? The more salad I eat the better I feel. I tend to be vegetarian/vegan. I don’t really salt my food. Thank you!
I agree, it's the worst performance from us as hosts. I think we had too many questions and thoughts we wanted to share. If you watch this year's guests on our 24 hour livestream I hope you'd think we've improved.
Potassium is immaterial with reference to oxalates. It's the other part of the molecule, citrate, that does the work. So you need anything that adds citrate to your system - potassium citrate, or magnesium citrate, or calcium citrate, etc.
@@vickyverma6852 citrate I read is derived from mold and if you’re allergic to mold, how can you use citrate? What can you use instead of it thank you.
@@Now6674 Then go for natural sources of citrate - lime, lemon, oranges, grapes, berries, etc. You don't need a ton of citrates. 1 lemon a day will give you way more than the amount of citrates you need. Best if you consume it spread throughout the day or a couple of hours after your high oxalate meals.
When I began keto 6yrs ago with Dr. Berg I immediately drank the daily recommended combination of apple cider vinegar(2tblsp),lemon juice(2tblsp) and unsweetened cranberry(2 oz for flavor) juice diluted with 6 oz water. I had none of the keto side effects other than losing 50lbs,gout,and diabetes. No oxalate issues.
Great comment, thank you for sharing.
@@CoachStephen "MCA" or Manufactured Citric Acid is made from a Black MOLD process -- very toxic, carcinogenic, allergenic...and almost ALL Citric Acid is made from this process...
Any chance you can address that?
Looking for products made FROM **natural Citrus derived Citric Acid** ...as i am one the many people that have issues with Manyfactured/MOLD Derived Citric Acid
Gout can also be oxalates in the joint, not just uric acid. I started talking calcium citrate and it seems to clear the inflammation that I get when I start to get a flare. If it clears again, for sure cal citrate can help with gout
You probably had oxylate gout
@@minutemartialarts3152 Classic uric acid
This is exactly what I discovered with potassium and oxalates - it works for me.
@TheRobynbrown Great to know. Thanks for the comment
I'm playing around with mag, potassium, and calcium citrates. How much potassium citrate do you do per day, and do you take it once or twice a day? I was taking 1/4tsp of potassium citrate, at least once a day. I wasn't sure whether to believe the warnings about taking too much potassium, because so much has been proven wrong. Like, can I overdose with potassium citrate?
@@audreygregis8721 I heard a video by Dr. Ken Berry where he explains that your body will urinate excess potassium. Personally, I have been using 2x¼ tsps. potassium citrate in my drinking water once or twice a day (so I take up 1800mg supplemental potassium per day). However, potassium is known as being lethal, but I don't know at what dose. The label on the bottle says ¼ tsp. once or twice a day. Hope this helps.
I take 1/4 tsp twice a day
I take 2400mg a day of potassium citrate
OMG, you guys are a life saver. I have been so sick
Thank you
Did that help?
Thank you coach for this section. I wish many people can see this and understand that drinking caffeine and eating dairy, especially heavy creams, which contain significant amount of calcium, these two effects have such high effect on magnesium depletion, electrolyte imbalance and hence the leg cramps that so many people complain about. Very informative
I do all what you mention and have no leg cramps....i take extra calcium pyruvate and calcium carbonate . as Sally said at the begging calcium caused oxalate dumping, it went away after a year.
Thank you Mike
I take a lot of magnesium supplements so I feel like it balances out any dairy I eat (cheese, yogurt, high-fat milk). However, as Richard Smith points out, potassium is likely the most important nutrient that most of us are deficient in.
Muscle cramps can also be due to not getting enough blood to the muscles, ligament and tendons. If everything has been checked on nutrition, the activity of the blood has to be looked at next. Especially if it happens while a person is walking. I'm waiting for a review of the situation with a consultant.
Sally Norton says people don't get much improvement even after years of eating a low oxalate diet and following other recommendations like getting citrate from lemon and lime juice.
Nausea on the Dr Atkins high protein and low carb diet was proven to be a candida issue. I thought previously Sally said that oxalates bind to calcium and iron. Calcium can certainly be a calcification issue. Calcium and oxalates together = calcification.
Sally’s book is absolutely excellent!
Thanks for the comment
You should have let Sally talk more. She was your guest.
Hi, thanks for the comment. This is an edited version of the full hour Sally did with us. We were asked by viewers to put forward some theories so this video reflects that. Sally was great and I hope you get to see the full version.
I disagree. If you want to hear her talk then do a Google search and watch other interviews, or simply read her brilliant book, ‘Toxic Superfoods’. I want to hear her challenged in the polite and courteous manner than Rich did here. I have tried some of her methods and found that calcium citrate made me feel absolutely awful. I would even contend that people with high oxalate in their blood should AVOID calcium. Don’t be a mindless consumer. Think critically and challenge everything
Agree. That powerpoint hysteria could have been summarised with the bar chart slide. The rest came off as "look at me, look at me".
@@CoachStephen that's an excuse, she's the expert and you simply wanted an excuse to talk about your focus not listen to hers.
Good to know that magnesium is good to take with calcium. I've started drinking raw milk to help clear oxalates due to ALS, but have experienced some cramping lately. Will add K & Mg supplement to see how it goes. Great discussion, thank you.
Toxic Superfoods by Sally - This is the book if you want to learn about oxalates. Sally explains what toxic foods are, why we get sick from oxalate consumption & how we can heal ourselves.
Great tip!
Are you saying Oxalates caused your ALS? Thank you
@@daphneweldnichols3846 No. What I do think caused my ALS is overdoing coffee. Since it is an anti nutrient that stops the body from absorbing nutrients, it eventually seems it destroyed organs to the point of no return...
There are very good reasons for eating good clean (non g.m.o.-non b.e. glyphosate free vegetables and good clean organic/grassfed beef/free range fowl. That being said I believe we also need to suppliment too. If they are clean, the right type, the right amount (yes its like a maze) you can move more quickly forward with your health provided your body burden isnt excessive. These burdens could be illness, injury, parasites, heavy metals, mold-biotoxins-biofilms, stress, other chemicals like bpa's etc.(from plastics), formaldahyde-voc's (from cheap furniture, osb, carpets etc. ) and goitrogens=flouride,(treated water- tooth paste- mouthwash) chlorine (treated water swimming pools), bromine ( fire retardents sprayed on mattresses, couches, drapes, carpets, and also bromated flour)///plus a lack of iodine. Then there is the effect of genitic snips and methylation. (I threw out my - folic acid)Then there is lifestyle and epigenetics (chemical exposure, LPS-dental infections exercise- sleep-stress-sunlight-grounding etc. I take zero medications but I do use herbs. When you get stuck find Jesus, the holy spirit can guide you!
There are ZERO reasons to eat vegetables.
I had high blood pressure with low sodium blood serum.
Thank you all 😊
@gabrieles.muller3391 I wanted to take a moment to say thank you
Been a year on carnivore and meat based diet. Recently my liver swelled and I started dumping kidney stones. I drank lots of lemon water and added herbs for liver and the stone breaker. Was this oxolate dumping?
@Hannahkeir Hi, thanks for the question. I think you need to get this looked at with a local health care provider asap. I can not diagnose via youtube. Sorry for the non answer. It does sound like oxalate dumping, especially the kidney stones but I can't say
Mg book just came... will leave a review ASAP!
Great, I look forward to it
Sarah Ballantyne and Brooke Goldner have excellent videos on oxalates everyone should hear. They correct the false beliefs about oxalates for those who just want the truth without bias.
And what is it they believe?
12 weeks carnavore. Feel weak and fatigued. Muscle issues. Electrolytes, salt, magnesium, calcium citrate makes no difference. Very low oxalates. Dumping issues i guess. Added some fruit back in plus summer squash and courgettes. Feeling just as bad. Ordered potassium citrate hoping this will stop the weakness and fatigue. ANY SUGGESTIONS would be very much appreciated as im struggling! Great discussion. Love Sally. Thankx to all 🤗🌹
@deborahpharaoh4505 Hard to help you as I don't know enough about you. Protein requires 5 X energy to digest compared to carbs and fat so maybe you're eating too much protein in each sitting? The fruits and veg won't help at all, as you discovered. Can you get to our Sunday Live Q&A?
@@CoachStephen thank you..I will check that out! 🤗
@@deborahpharaoh4505 hello:) how are you feeling now? 😊
Are you getting enough saturated fat, apparently that type of fat consumption makes a big difference, and stay off the PUFA of bacon and chicken. ruclips.net/video/garRmghnY7U/видео.html
From far north p tropical Cairns-thank you
Hi there @sophiacarrafa4147. Thank you for your comment, I appreciate it!
I'm wondering ...what Sally said about calcium, potassium and oxalate dumping in the colon...can this whole process on the carnivore diet and eating cheese/dairy as a source of calcium...is this possible to cause diverticulitis as an oxalate dumping symptom?
Does it have to be calcium citrate, or can other forms also work?
Where can I find Part 1 ?
The whole hour is here ruclips.net/user/liveycfNKh2OD1M?feature=share
since you need to have 4500 mg of potassium daily how and the heck do you get enough!
I know, OTC potassium only has 99mg, but here is the kicker, that 99mg acts like a strong laxative, I know its in a lot of foods, and probably the best way to get it. but still 4500mg is a hell of a lot minimum requirement.
Why would anyone take take synthetic lab produced stuff with exipients when variety food grown from earth has potassium . Do you know how potassium citrate is made .it is from mould
Why is it not mentioned than ..that ..or can one just supplement magnesium aswell together with calcium ...against the cramps ? or does it than counteract the goal of calcium helping the oxalate dumping effect ?
Wish Sally could speak
Does it have to be potassium citrate? What about potassium bicarbonate?
Chanka Piedra did not do it for me... I am trying Magnesium Citrate, and Postassium Citrate...
Can a person have oxilate dumping 6 months into the carnivore diet? Like severe diarrhea? I thought I had food poisoning, but I didn’t throw up or become sweaty or feel like I was going to pass out. I have has food poisoning before. I took 4 Imodium and that did not help. So I decided to drink some tea and eat some pecans and the diarrhea stopped. Is this something that can happen off and on over years. I know you cannot diagnose me, just want to know if this is something that happens to other people.
This is beginning to sound very complicated. I did keto for four months and I've been carnivore for just over two months. Haven't had any symptoms yet with keto or carnivore but I'm starting to dread this oxalate dumping stage I am bound to head into, perhaps in the near future. Is this unavoidable? I don't know of any doctor around my neck of the woods who can help me find the right balance. I haven't even told my doctor I'm a carnivore because he'd have a fit.
How are you feeling? What's improved? Why would your doctor have a fit if you're healthier? Not everyone goes through oxalate detox
Ok,calcium can add to the symptoms because of more dumping....oy Trying to get this figured out! I wonder if im taking too much calcium. My gout is brutal
Does magnesium glycinate help with oxalates? What about adding moringa powder, which has lots of calcium in it? What about adding celery, which has sodium, to smoothies?
Celery is a high oxalate food
I believe moringa is also high in oxalates
12:49 spread sheet-I have a bag o'potassium citrate crystals. Not delicious but effective.
Optimal ratio of sodium to potassium is 1:2.
How on earth could you take in 10g of sodium to then get 20g of potassium.
If I eat at least a large salad every night my ankles , legs, and feet do not swell and any swelling goes away as it does if I swim that day. I have been just stuffing myself with high oxalate foods unknowingly. Do you think the high potassium content of salad is why this wanted effect occurs? The more salad I eat the better I feel. I tend to be vegetarian/vegan. I don’t really salt my food. Thank you!
Potassium ascorbate, magnesium ascorbate?
Terrible they won't let Sally speak. Why bother having a guest when you just want to have the show on you.
I agree, it's the worst performance from us as hosts. I think we had too many questions and thoughts we wanted to share. If you watch this year's guests on our 24 hour livestream I hope you'd think we've improved.
Can you take potassium bicarbonate instead of potassium citrate?
Potassium is immaterial with reference to oxalates. It's the other part of the molecule, citrate, that does the work. So you need anything that adds citrate to your system - potassium citrate, or magnesium citrate, or calcium citrate, etc.
@@vickyverma6852 How much potassium citrate would a person need per day?
I've been using potassium bitartrate also known as cream of tartar.
@@vickyverma6852 citrate I read is derived from mold and if you’re allergic to mold, how can you use citrate? What can you use instead of it thank you.
@@Now6674 Then go for natural sources of citrate - lime, lemon, oranges, grapes, berries, etc. You don't need a ton of citrates. 1 lemon a day will give you way more than the amount of citrates you need. Best if you consume it spread throughout the day or a couple of hours after your high oxalate meals.
Two guys wasting a lot of time on own material, instead of walk-in questions…
p o t a s s i u m
calcium is overrated. lots of ways to clear up everything in the body.