How Tertullian proved the Trinity
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- Today we'll cover how the "church father" Tertullian demonstrated the Trinity philosophically and in scripture.
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Small correction: Since a part of the definition of Christianity is Trinitarianism, no one who gets the idea of Three distinct Persons in One God wrong willfully is Christian. This includes Arians, Partialists, Modalists, Nestorians, etc.
I agree with you 🙏
It’s interesting that someone could believe in and worship Christ, but still not be a Christian because or those finer details.
Part of *your* definition. But you're not the arbiter of what a Christian is. So you can just sod off.
@@mrtheology2069He said he was doing the will of his Father. The Son is a divine person. The Father is a divine person. The Son loves the Father and the Father loves the Son.
@@mrtheology2069you ignore the fact, and just say still his will. Why are you omitting that like it doesn't matter just to make your point, do better.
Wow, this is a hidden gem! Ive heard of Tertullian and I've heard of people debating regarding him, but i never actually knew anything about him. Also nice editing.
This whole channel is a hidden gem.
Amin.
The Trinity! God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit!
Praise the Lord for the life of Tertullian.
Given the fact that Jesus is not one of the many sons of Zeus, the god of the Greeks, and that the God of Abraham had never promised a Son to Israel but the Messiah (HaMashiak) which the Greek forgers and falsifiers translated as “Christos” as it is written:
"I will raise among them the Messiah(Christos)HaMashiak, a Prophet(Messenger) like you Moses, Him they must listen..."
Deut.18:15-19; Acts 3:17-24; Acts 7:1-30; Luke 24:25-27 and 44-47; Acts 17:1-3; John 4:24-25, Surah 3:81, etc.
So Messiah(Christ) is a Prophet in the likeness of Moses as Matthew proved it. Like Moses He stayed in Egypt. Like Moses He is Mediator of a New Covenant.
Considering that the Gospel that Paul proclaimed to the world mentions JESUS CHRIST SON OF GOD and not just JESUS.
Therefore, we can deduce that Trinity is a misunderstanding of the Pauline doxology of “Father, Son, and Holy Spirit”!
Because between Jesus Christ (HaMashiak) Son of God and Jesus Son of God... there is a great deal of philosophical and legal difference if we take for legal framework the TEN COMMANDMENTS and the social environment where Jesus was born!
Keep doing what you’re doing bro
Risen!
✝️👑
Amin
Tertullian also said this: "Do you not know that you are Eve? The judgment of God upon this sex lives on in this age; therefore, necessarily the guilt should live on also. You are the gateway of the devil; you are the one who unseals the curse of that tree, and you are the first one to turn your back on the divine law; you are the one who persuaded him whom the devil was not capable of corrupting; you easily destroyed the image of God, Adam. Because of what you deserve, that is, death, even the Son of God had to die."
The problem here is the word Person, used by the Latin fathers, and does not mean what we might think. It is clearer if we use the Greek term "hypostasis."
What that means, that word "hypostasis" also "person"
Not really. Hypostasis is fine, but "person" can be better if we understand its origins and etymology. From Greek "prosopon" [literally a mask, particularly one used to _personify_ characters in a play], where the masks used by the actors would lead people to create intellectual, emotional and spiritual relationship with the characters themselves [not the actors per se], this means with the mask [person] the actor was using, or rather _personifying._ In this sense, a person can then become to be understood as someone you can create this type of relationship with [intellectual, emotional and spiritual]. Therefore, God is one substance [or essence] but three persons, because He has three different relationships with us. Each one independent and distinct from each other, yet they are all the same God. These divine persons can even interact at the same time, because they are different from each other, yet they are still one same substance. This is in a similar way as how in a family we have different relationships with our father, our mother, siblings, etc., because they're all different persons, despite being one same family.
God bless.
3 persons = 3 Gods = Tritheism
@@grahamtopfuel Said no one educated ever.
@DenisBonichov Tertullian teached that the Father is superior to the Son and the Holy Spirit. That is the Son preceded from the Father and the Holy spirit came from the Son. So his understanding of the Trinity was very different to the current understanding of the Trinity.
All glory and love be to GOD THE FATHER THE SON THE HOLY SPIRIT THE HOLY TRINITY forever and ever amen 💖✝✝✝.
That's the way I would summarise the doctrine:
To be predicated as God = to be necessary, eternal, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, omnibenevolent, relational, and immanent
Therefore
Father = Necessity, Eternality, Omnipresence, Omnipotence, Omniscience, Omnibenevolence + Son's immanent presence , Spirit's immanent presence= divine
Generates / is not +
Son= Necessity, Eternality, Omnipresence, Omnipotence, Omniscience, Omnibenevolence + Father's immanent presence, Spirit's immanent presence= divine
Both spirate/ are not +
Spirit = Necessity, Eternality, Omnipresence, Omnipotence, Omniscience, Omnibenevolence + Son's immanent presence, Son's immanent presence= divine
= Trinity
To be identical to God = to be identical to the Trinity, which is immanent within each individual person
Therefore
The Father (in whom the Trinity is immanent)is God
is not
The Son (in whom the Trinity is immanent) is God
is not
The Spirit (in whom the Trinity is immanent) is God
Bro, no one here understands quasi modal logic. Make a syllogism instead
@@thomasthellamas9886 Neither do I 🤣. A: Each person is infinite B. Each person is really distinct. C. The three divine persons are mutually immanent. Therefore, the Trinity is not logically incoherent because we can not separate what is infinite and mutually immanent (tritheism), and we can not confuse what is really distinct (modalism).
I emailed this argument to Jake, the muslim metaphysician, and he got mad when I showed him that his representation of the LPT is false. He uses a reductive definition of God from natural theology to critique the Trinity without including relationality and immanence in the list of attributes. He then proceeds to claim that the Trinity is a logical contradiction that inevitably falls into tritheism or modalism. He had never considered the doctrine of perichoresis by which each person is identical to God in virtue of their mutual indwelling.
@@romacaputmundi_77Jake was exposed by Dr. Beau Branson
@@romacaputmundi_77 the word muslim checks out
Great video!!! Very important topic to cover, too. Most Americans don't believe Jesus is God
That's because he isn't.
@@antichrist_revealed
John 1:1
John 1:14
@@randnew1 The word was God, not Jesus. God gave his word and promise to send a son into the world. Isa 55:11.
"only begotten of the Father," born in heaven after the 4th day of creation. Rev 12:5. Jesus isn't God.
@@antichrist_revealed The word BECAME flesh
@@randnew1 Define what Word means, and you will see it means VOICE. God is not a mere voice, he is an existing being living way beyond our universe. His voice came to us by way of Jesus, who is not God, but spoke for him. "He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father's who sent Me." John 14:24. God isn't Jesus. Therefore, Jesus isn't God.
Tertullian also wrote that he was accused of teaching the same things as Valentinus (greatest Gnostic). He changed the word "emanations" to "prolations." This is the same thing. So, Tertullian was using Greek philosophy from Alexandria, and from a Jewish Greek philosopher, Philo of Alexandria.
Great video!
Paraclete is pronounced "Para-Cleat", not "Par-sa-let". It's the Greek word for "advocate, counselor, or helper".
Psalms 90:2 .....from everlasting to the thou art God.
Christ 1st Coming as: The Son of God: The Lamb of God : The Crucified Messiah
Isaiah 48:16 Come ye near unto Me hear ye this: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning from the time it was there AM I: and now the Lord GOD and His Spirit hath sent Me.
1st John 3:8 He that commiteth sin is of the devil, for the devil sinneth from the beginning, for this purpose the Son of God was manifested that He might destroy the works of the devil.
Christ 2nd Coming as: The King of kings and Lord of lords [ Zechariah14:9 / 1stTimothy 6:14-16] : The Almighty God] Isaiah 9:6-7 / John 20;28-39 / Titus 2: 13 / 2nd Peter 11-2 / Revelation 1:7-8 &17-18].
Godhead Identity;
The Father is the Soul of God [ Leviticus 26:11&30 / Isaiah 1:14; 42:1 / Jeremiah 9:9; 13:17 / Zechariah 11:8 / Matthew 13:18 _ Hebrews 10:38].
Christ is the Power of God and the Wisdom of God [ 1st Corinthians 1:24; 10:4 / Proverbs 8: 22-32; 30:5 / Luke 12:49 / 1st Peter 1:10-11 / Hebrews 1:1-4] : The Image of the Invisible God [ Colossians1:15 / John 12:44-45; 14: 8-12 ]
The Holy Ghost is the Spirit of God [ Genesis 1:1-2 &26 - 27 / Job 33:4 / Zechariah 4:6 / John 14;17-26; 15:26 / Hebrews 9:14 / Acts 5:3-4 &9]. ...Job 34 :4 The Spirit of God hath sent me [ Ephesians 2 :10 ] and the Breath of the Almighty hath given me LIFE.❤🙏
Given the fact that Jesus is not one of the many sons of Zeus, the god of the Greeks, and that the God of Abraham had never promised a Son to Israel but the Messiah (HaMashiak) which the Greek forgers and falsifiers translated as “Christos” as it is written:
"I will raise among them the Messiah(Christos)HaMashiak, a Prophet(Messenger) like you Moses, Him they must listen..."
Deut.18:15-19; Acts 3:17-24; Acts 7:1-30; Luke 24:25-27 and 44-47; Acts 17:1-3; John 4:24-25, Surah 3:81, etc.
So Messiah(Christ) is a Prophet in the likeness of Moses as Matthew proved it. Like Moses He stayed in Egypt. Like Moses He is Mediator of a New Covenant.
Considering that the Gospel that Paul proclaimed to the world mentions JESUS CHRIST SON OF GOD and not just JESUS.
Therefore, we can deduce that Trinity is a misunderstanding of the Pauline doxology of “Father, Son, and Holy Spirit”!
Because between Jesus Christ (HaMashiak) Son of God and Jesus Son of God... there is a great deal of philosophical and legal difference if we take for legal framework the TEN COMMANDMENTS and the social environment where Jesus was born!
4:40 About Genesis 1 verse 26, Jesus had confirmed in John 17 verse 11 when Jesus pray to Father in Heaven, He said "... so that they may be one just as We are"
In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God and the world was made by Him but the world esteemed Him not…
Given the fact that Jesus is not one of the many sons of Zeus, the god of the Greeks, and that the God of Abraham had never promised a Son to Israel but the Messiah (HaMashiak) which the Greek forgers and falsifiers translated as “Christos” as it is written:
"I will raise among them the Messiah(Christos)HaMashiak, a Prophet(Messenger) like you Moses, Him they must listen..."
Deut.18:15-19; Acts 3:17-24; Acts 7:1-30; Luke 24:25-27 and 44-47; Acts 17:1-3; John 4:24-25, Surah 3:81, etc.
So Messiah(Christ) is a Prophet in the likeness of Moses as Matthew proved it. Like Moses He stayed in Egypt. Like Moses He is Mediator of a New Covenant.
Considering that the Gospel that Paul proclaimed to the world mentions JESUS CHRIST SON OF GOD and not just JESUS.
Therefore, we can deduce that Trinity is a misunderstanding of the Pauline doxology of “Father, Son, and Holy Spirit”!
Because between Jesus Christ (HaMashiak) Son of God and Jesus Son of God... there is a great deal of philosophical and legal difference if we take for legal framework the TEN COMMANDMENTS and the social environment where Jesus was born!
Somebody once asked why Tertullian had never been recognized as Doctor of the Church. Doe anyone know why?
Maybe because he was a pacifist..
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Peace be with you Friend ❤️
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Hey Sanctus would you mind explaining the Trinity in a video sometime or have you already done that and i am just missing out on it
Just because we can't fully explain the Trinity does not mean there's not good evidence for the resurrection. There is; so there is a Trinity.
It's pronounced 'para-cleet', by the way. It means 'advocate' or 'helper'.
I think everytime i watch these types of videos, i get more confused 😅😅 so this priest, is the one that brought the trinity concept inacordance to his own understanding of scripture right?
Peace be with you Friend ❤️
Tertullain is the One who First word the Word "Trinity" in Latin.
However, the Concept of the Trinity Existed Before Tertullian & is shown throughout Scriptures.
In response to a heresy about the Godhead, Tertullian wrote Against Praxus, which for the first time used the word trinity to describe the Godhead. Concerning Father, Son, and Spirit, Tertullian said, “These three are one substance, not one person.”
Thank you for this🙏🏾
I know you're not supposed to create analogies since analogies usually tend to become some form of heresy but I like to see Divine Substance as a sort of universal that only The Father, Son and Holy Spirit share in instantiation.
This only confused me more.
Peace be with you Friend ❤️
What Exactly does Confuse you?
God is One Essence but Three Persons; God has One Nature, but Three centers of Consciousness.
5:00 Isnt that a plural of majesty?
That doesn't even exist (at least in the Hebrew)
Some argue that he was speaking to the Divine Council.
Plural of majesty didn't exist back than, It became a thing in the Middle Ages
Jesus says we also share God's essence and Adam was created in his image. Are we also part of the Trinity? They aren't the same and the Trinity is made up. God says around 1000 times that he created everything alone. Jesus never says I am God, and actually says he can do nothing without his Father and that the one who sent him was greater than He. Read again
We are created in the image of the trinity, body? Soul, spirit this is a orthodox Christian teachings, and as far as the essence of we shared a essences with god we would be all knowing all powerful, essernse literally means the being of what you are, (human) ect, if we shared the being of god I think we would know this
Direct me to the verse that says this
@zytoh research emergence theory. We are all pieces of God experiencing his creation. Jesus says as much Through John 14:10-20. That's just one I can point you too, but there are plenty of examples where Jesus says he is NOT God the Father.
Peace be with you Friend ❤️
Where did Jesus say we also share in God's Essence?
Trinity is shown throughout Scriptures. One God that exists in three Persons:
Father,(Galatians 1:1)
Son,(Hebrews 1:8)
and the Holy Spirit(Acts 5:3-4)
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Jesus is the Co-creator with God the Father & the Holy Spirit
(Genesis 1:1,2/Psalm 33:6/John 1:1-3,10, Colosians 1:16-20). ❤️✝️🕊️
@@Daniel_Godismyjudge--Isah33.22 it comes from a few different parts. In Genesis it says we were created in God's image. Jesus says he is one with God and later says we are all God's children and his brothers and sisters. Which means we all share the same essence. That is what he was trying to get at. He never claimed equality with God. He asked for his Father to take the cup from him if it was his desire. The church has slowly distorted our understanding, but Jesus wanted us to understand that we should love each other. That is the fulfillment of who Jesus is supposed to have been, at least I believe. A man so full of love that he could never sin against his God or another man. It takes an enormous amount of love to do something like that, which I believe is part of the essence of God. The Bible lays out everything I said, but God also says we should use discernment. Many Christians believe there are mysteries in the Bible, maybe this is one of them.
In my honest opinion though. I believe Rome used Christianity to control the population. Jesus was a Jew and never changed on that. He didn't want to conform to the 620 laws that were placed there by tradition. He wanted to be able to use one law to satisfy all of them and he did that through love. Rome and Jews from past and modern times mocked him for his beliefs in that feeling of love being able to conquer all. Jews actually say that he is boiling in semen and excrement.
Last thing, Paul was clearly a sexual deviant and likely gay. Take a lot of what he says with a grain of salt, because he definitely wasn't Jesus/Yeshu/Yeshua. Yeshu who I believe the Bible is about lived about 150 years before the modern telling of what we know today as the Bible. He was a good man who did preach all of those things. Many historical Jewish texts have written about him, but Christianity is stuck, which is why you see us in the position we are today. Many churches are letting hedonism take over. I started a home Bible study group called Grace Community for this very reason. They all studied in upper rooms back in the day, I don't understand why we all choose to go to a giant building with a cross that we idolize and partake in drinking of blood and eating of the body of Christ which is absolutely against God's original word of cannibalism and drinking blood. The eucharist was not a Jesus invention, it came from the Church at a later date. Sorry for going on for so long, but I have studied this for basically my entire life now. I have strong opinions on how we have been manipulated through our beliefs and how they've changed history to line-up to make us believe that what we are seeing is prophecy. People have thought for 2000 years that Jesus was coming back and they lived their entire lives and then died. But for some reason right now, we feel like we're the special ones. I can guarantee you that we aren't. We're told that he will come like a thief in the night and that no man knows the hour nor the day. So if we are all expecting it to happen, I don't understand why Christians believe it. It's almost the entire religion too. I think that modern Christianity is just a pumped up version of emotional manipulation. They play these songs in church and then tell you a sad story to get you to donate your money to something that will ultimately end up in a place that you have no control over which is another sin against God since we are commanded to be good stewards of our money. Most of these Christian organizations are corrupt and are just washing money for corporations to move into shell companies. Tons of journalism has been done on this. The current pope is the first Jesuit, which was created by a Jew in Ignatius Loyola. I believe this is how they will implement their NWO strategy. We will be seeing CBDCs and all of the United States will back Israel in the killing of another million Palestinians who have been in the land for nearly 3000 years displaced by people who have no genetic relationship to the region. Anyway, I digress. Hope all is well in your life and that God blesses you through your loyalty to him. Thank you for being kind in your comment. Most people aren't these days.
You say that the question of why spoke in pluralities in Genesis and that it can't be answered. I have two verifiable answers for this as well. God is speaking as plural because he is all things and was giving us that as the first sign. The idea is that the people who wrote Genesis used those words to show the power of God through words. They had the idea that he would speak as more than one, because he was bigger than all of us. These were Jewish people, do not forget. They didn't believe in your Trinity, so that isn't what they were referencing.
The other idea, and the one I lean towards is that they changed it. IF it is a historical event and not just a story, then who recorded God saying this? This is before God created anything, so how do we know what he said? Do we trust Abraham or Moses? Both were sinners in their own right, and not Jesus Christ. There had to be a perfect man that came along, the odds were statistically in our favor that he would come eventually, and when he did everyone pointed to the books that at least had an idea of his arrival. Jesus isn't God and he wasn't the second person there in the beginning. Even in the first chapter of John that is an intentional mistranslation that he says he was there in the beginning. I used to believe all of the things you do, but I had to read and discern what was true and untrue. You need to take time and do the same. Don't just trust the word because is has print on it. Use your heart to find the love in the book and take that on with you.
Given the fact that Jesus is not one of the many sons of Zeus, the god of the Greeks, and that the God of Abraham had never promised a Son to Israel but the Messiah (HaMashiak) which the Greek forgers and falsifiers translated as “Christos” as it is written:
"I will raise among them the Messiah(Christos)HaMashiak, a Prophet(Messenger) like you Moses, Him they must listen..."
Deut.18:15-19; Acts 3:17-24; Acts 7:1-30; Luke 24:25-27 and 44-47; Acts 17:1-3; John 4:24-25, Surah 3:81, etc.
So Messiah(Christ) is a Prophet in the likeness of Moses as Matthew proved it. Like Moses He stayed in Egypt. Like Moses He is Mediator of a New Covenant.
Considering that the Gospel that Paul proclaimed to the world mentions JESUS CHRIST SON OF GOD and not just JESUS.
Therefore, we can deduce that Trinity is a misunderstanding of the Pauline doxology of “Father, Son, and Holy Spirit”!
Because between Jesus Christ (HaMashiak) Son of God and Jesus Son of God... there is a great deal of philosophical and legal difference if we take for legal framework the TEN COMMANDMENTS and the social environment where Jesus was born!
My father is out of the house but I am an agent of the Lord.
Why only three persons in one God? If God's essence is (as one would assume) infinite, why can't it be distributed more generously--like, say, the body and blood of Christ, which never runs out no matter how often it's given? In any case, the question to ask of Tertullian would have been the question Karl Barth asked of Nikolai Berdyaev--"How does he know these things?"
@jackshifflett5599 The guiding question that provides resolution to all three of your questions is: What must logically happen for God, the Creator of Everything, to fulfill the greatest creation?
Here are some resolution highlights to consider:
Logically, the Greatest Creation is the community of other beings equal in capability and morality to the Creator, aka the community of eternally True Friends, aka sharing True Love.
Since God is Love and love is a community of persons, God, himself, must be a community of persons. Namely the Lover (Father), the Beloved (Son) and the Love generated between the two (Holy Spirit).
Any other people would be a type of reiteration of the second or third person because these are the only two ways to be, given one is not the Father. In eternal existence, one either always was, always is or always will be, where always is begotten/comes from always was and always will be proceeds from always was and always is. As created human beings, we only have potential to become always will be in union with the Holy Spirit through the Son of the Father.
So though the Eucharist is infinitely distributed, every instance of the Eucharist is the same person. Similarly every instance of the generously distributed Holy Spirit in each one of us is the same person.
Therefore, we can know things about God through union with his Holy Spirit.
Thank you for your time and may God be with you 🙏
Following a man’s teaching just like you worship a man.
But yet you don’t worship God or follow his teachings. God is one, Jesus is a messenger. I hope you figure this out because you will be asked why you worshiped Jesus and not him, God will call upon Jesus. Jesus will say he never thought you this but yet they followed the writings of Tertullian.
Peace be with you Friend ❤️
We follow God & Worship God. ❤
Jesus is more than a Messenger, he is The Only Begotten Son of the Living God. He is Fully God & Fully Man(John 1:1,14,18). ❤✝️
To the Atheists, Muslims , Mormons and suspect " Christians" in Jehovah's Witness and Unitarians, The Most Holy Trinity ( GOD: Father, Son, Holy Spirit) Does NOT mean 3 Gods but 1 GOD in 3 Divine Persons. Full Stop. Point Blank and. Matthew 28:19; 1 Corinthians 13:14; 1 John 5:7 RSV-CE. 🇺🇸🇺🇲❤️🇻🇦🇻🇦✝️☦️🌫️🌎🛐🙏⛪📖🕊️👼😇‼️
Given the fact that Jesus is not one of the many sons of Zeus, the god of the Greeks, and that the God of Abraham had never promised a Son to Israel but the Messiah (HaMashiak) which the Greek forgers and falsifiers translated as “Christos” as it is written:
"I will raise among them the Messiah(Christos)HaMashiak, a Prophet(Messenger) like you Moses, Him they must listen..."
Deut.18:15-19; Acts 3:17-24; Acts 7:1-30; Luke 24:25-27 and 44-47; Acts 17:1-3; John 4:24-25, Surah 3:81, etc.
So Messiah(Christ) is a Prophet in the likeness of Moses as Matthew proved it. Like Moses He stayed in Egypt. Like Moses He is Mediator of a New Covenant.
Considering that the Gospel that Paul proclaimed to the world mentions JESUS CHRIST SON OF GOD and not just JESUS.
Therefore, we can deduce that Trinity is a misunderstanding of the Pauline doxology of “Father, Son, and Holy Spirit”!
Because between Jesus Christ (HaMashiak) Son of God and Jesus Son of God... there is a great deal of philosophical and legal difference if we take for legal framework the TEN COMMANDMENTS and the social environment where Jesus was born!
John is not the Scripture Jesus quoted. Paul never thought of his letters as Scriptures...
MAN IS A IMAGE OF GOD. THERE FOR GEN. 5:1-2 WHERE GOD CALLED "THEIR" NAME ADAM. THIS SCRIPTURE IS A PROOF
Christ is the Image of the Invisible God [ Colossians1:15 / John 12:44-45; 14: 8-12].
Ephesians 210 For we are His Workmanship created in Christ JESUS for the good works that God hath made beforehand that we should walk in them.
@@marbymendez8021 CHRIST IS THE IMAGE OF GOD BECAUSE HE BECAME A MAN AND WALKED PERFECTLY IN THE IMAGE OF GOD.
3:19 what does He meant by "God is incapable of form"?
I think he meant as in God as spirit, he’s not saying that God is incapable of taking a say human form, but that God in essence is a spirit!
Tertullian didn’t even believe the modern concept of the trinity. It was invented yet in his day. So you can’t claim he proved the trinity when y’all don’t even believe the same thing 😂
Hello Brothers in Christ would anybody here mind explaining the Trinity in complete depth and even Answer questions from me along the way
Please i would really really need it
Peace be with you Friend ❤️
The Trinity:
One God existing in three coequal, coeternal, consubstantial divine persons:
God the Father, God the Son (Jesus Christ) and God the Holy Spirit, three distinct persons (hypostases) sharing one essence/substance/nature (homoousion).
In short; God is One Essence in 3 Persons. All 3 sharing the Same Essence, making them all Interconnected as God & being United as One.
Given the fact that Jesus is not one of the many sons of Zeus, the god of the Greeks, and that the God of Abraham had never promised a Son to Israel but the Messiah (HaMashiak) which the Greek forgers and falsifiers translated as “Christos” as it is written:
"I will raise among them the Messiah(Christos)HaMashiak, a Prophet(Messenger) like you Moses, Him they must listen..."
Deut.18:15-19; Acts 3:17-24; Acts 7:1-30; Luke 24:25-27 and 44-47; Acts 17:1-3; John 4:24-25, Surah 3:81, etc.
So Messiah(Christ) is a Prophet in the likeness of Moses as Matthew proved it. Like Moses He stayed in Egypt. Like Moses He is Mediator of a New Covenant.
Considering that the Gospel that Paul proclaimed to the world mentions JESUS CHRIST SON OF GOD and not just JESUS.
Therefore, we can deduce that Trinity is a misunderstanding of the Pauline doxology of “Father, Son, and Holy Spirit”!
Because between Jesus Christ (HaMashiak) Son of God and Jesus Son of God... there is a great deal of philosophical and legal difference if we take for legal framework the TEN COMMANDMENTS and the social environment where Jesus was born!
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When mankind thinks of those who rule among us we often think of a single individual. One with the power and funds to do anything. One who we must obey. Over millennia of time this one strong ruler concept has proved to be more times a failure than successful.
In God’s realm there are three who make up God, The Trinity.
One is the Father, who’s name is hallowed
One is the Son, who’s name we invoke to make a request of God
One is the Spirit, this is the one with the power to make things happen
Since the beginning of time this has proven to be a successful way of power sharing. At its base is the Love of God and the Forgiveness of God. Now time begins when Lucifer becomes Satan and walks away from God with his followers.
MAN IS A REPRESENTATION OF GOD ON EARTH.AND THE EARTH, A REPRESENTATION OF HIS KINDOM. AS EVE PROCEED FROM THE BOSOM OF ADAM, SO DID CHRIST PROCEED FROM THE BOSOM OF THE FATHER.
5:50 In my opinion, both are powerful, but the Father has more authority than the son and holy spirit, so much so that the father sent the son and spirit, so much so that in the old testament it seems that it was the Father, and in the sign of the cross the Father even at the top and Jesus is the path to the Father, which ends with a sign, Father, Son, Spirit, Saints, and ends with Saint, referring that both are linked and Saints
The authority of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is equal.
I thought Tertullian also said the son is subordinate to the father?
You are correct. Tertullian was a subordinationist, not a Trinitarian in the Nicene sense. In Against Praxeus, the work cited by Sanctus, Tertullian wrote, "The Son is ignorant of the last day and hour, which is known to the Fahter only," as Jesus said in Matthew 24:36." He also wrote, "...the Father is the entire substance, but the Son is a derivation and portion of the whole...Thus the Father is distinct from the Son, being greater than the Son..." This is in keeping with what Jesus said in John 14:28, "The Father is greater than I."
@@EL-imadawg4u Thank you for the clarification!! It totally makes sense!
Peace be with you Friend ❤️
The Son is Subordinate to the Father. However, that doesn't make anyone lesser than the other, because in the Bible, Submission means Cooperation.
@@EL-imadawg4u
Peace be with you Friend ❤️
Tertullian was Half Right. The part that he was wrong about was that the Son has the Exact Whole Substance of the Father
(John 1:1,18). ❤
The Trimurti are the most prominent deities of contemporary Hinduism. This consists of Brahma- the Creator, Vishnu- the Preserver, and Shiva- the Destroyer
The issue is that this is nothing like the trinity of Christianity in which we profess one God or essence and three persons.
@@SanctusApologeticsHindus beleive that all gods are one with Brahman, the one true God.
Very many pre-christian trinities.
@@derekdekker9685 No they don't. Hinduism posits many gods exist and they all act separately and independently of each other, having different natures and purposes. Hinduism is nothing like Trinity. Trimurti is fake pagan nonsense.
@@aliceinwonderland4395 all is Brahman
Voice from Heaven? ... read John 12 v29 thru v31
Why was Father God cast out from Heaven during the third occurrence of the voice from Heaven. That third occurrence which you three equals one people never like to mention? ... passage reads: some said an angel spoke with Jesus.
So Father God is an angel?
Praying to Himself? ... no. Father Jesus simply was speaking of Himself in third-person.
Just like a human man can speak of himself in third-person. Just like a human man can hold both titles of father and son.
Question on the word Elohim? ... understand it's a word used to denote leadership as with Moses in Exodus 7 v1
Why couldn't Father God Himself have created a human body for Himself ... and come down to do exactly the same things as Son God?
Oh by the way. The Holy Spirit overshadowed the virgin Mary causing her to become pregnant.
Seems reasonable to say the Holy Spirit is Father God.
So why does Father God get to claim fathership when some other God person is Father?
And if Father God Himself is not the Holy Spirit, what is He?
See. You three equals one people are really binitarians. Not trinitarians.
Then you fail to understand Jesus is the last Adam. Meaning the flesh and blood body is not its own person.
Because only the flesh and blood body died on the cross. The Holy Spirit of Father Jesus did not die on the cross.
Anyways. Father Jesus will confirm this message soon enough.
Go get rebaptized in the name of Lord Jesus Christ for the remission of sin
Tertullian was one of the few Church Fathers who actually witnessed humans with the Prophetic Gift being used in a state of mediumistic trance by God's Holy Spirit to address an early Christian audience in their native language. He gets the relationship between God and Christ correct but is still in error over the whole Holy Spirit thingy. God is a Holy Spirit - He is the Holiest of Holy Spirits - best described in modern parlance as "The Big Cheese". God created Christ of the exact same substance as Himself and invested Him with full creative powers and told Him to create a vast spiritual family of Heavenly Nations - the semblance of which is seen on earth in their fallen state. Those Heavenly nations and families are today depleted of 1/3 of their citizens due to participation to a greater or lesser degree in the rebellious coup attempt by Lucifer, against the throne of Christ many aeons ago. The coup attempt was typical of what we experience on earth when someone considers they would make a far better ruler than the incumbent King.
Christ first created pairs of Archangels, male and female, and it is from those first spiritual couples that the population of Heaven grew. Every Heavenly spirit that is dispatched to earth to minister to humans under God's Plan of Redemption is in fact a Holy Spirit. Holy Spirits come from Heaven and unholy spirits, we refer to them as evil spirits, visit earth from Satan's Kingdom. The Apostles left us instructions as to how to discern the origins of spirits - Holy Spirits conduct themselves with decorum and profess the part Jesus played in God's Plan of Redemption and unholy spirits deny any such occurrence by a Saviour. With the earth population burgeoning from just over 1.5 billion to over 6 billion in just over 100 years God and Christ have dispatched millions of Ministering Spirits, or Holy Spirits, to earth to guide humans on their pathway back to Heaven.
Peace be with you Friend ❤️
The Son is Uncreated.
Tertullian wasnt a Nicene Crede Trinitarian though. While its True he coined the term Trinity he viewed the relationship of the Father Son and Hy Spirit differently than the Pagan iteration we know today that they are CO eternal and co equal. Tertullian thought there was a time when God was alone by himswlf prior to creating anything Jesus included
Peace be with you Friend ❤️
What did Tertullian say?
“There was a time when the Son was not. . . . Before all things, God was alone.”
Here it is Not saying that the Second Person of the Trinity Was Created. Rather, that there was point in time where the Second Person of the Trinity was Not always the Son.
Tertullian was addressing a heretic named Hermogenes who taught that God did Not create matter, and used the title “Lord” to show that matter must be eternal for God to have eternally existed as Lord. After all, lordship implies sovereignty over something or someone and if God was eternally alone then he could not have always been Lord.
Tertullian responds by arguing that lordship and fatherhood are not essential characteristics of Deity and therefore God didn’t always exist as Lord or Father. God only became Father when he begot the Son from out of his own being, from his very own substance, and began ruling as Lord only after creating matter from nothing.
So, kind of how The Doctrine of "Eternal Generation" says for the Son "He was Begotten Not made".
@@Daniel_Godismyjudge--Isah33.22 Thing is brother, Jesus didn't pre exist. So Tertullian had it wrong too. Jesus was begotten as the son of God at his baptism. God YHWH spoke from heaven and said this day I have begotten you. Jesus was the descendent of King David described in prophecy as the Anointed One or Messiah. He's the special prophet of Dueteronomy 18 16-19
@@andrewclemons8619
He is more than a Prophet, Friend
He is God in the Flesh(John 1:1,14,18).
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He is Pre-existing, & we see him through the Old Testament.
For Example: Micah 5:2 KJV
[2] But thou, Beth-lehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.
@@Daniel_Godismyjudge--Isah33.22 none of those verses you mention say anything about Jesus.
But they do: John 1:1, 14 KJV
[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[14] And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
2 John 1:7 KJV
[7] For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
Jesus Christ has come in the Flesh, meaning he was Alive before he came. His title was called "The Word of God", because he knew the Father on a Personal Level.
John 1:18 KJV
[18] No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
Here the Greek Word "Μονογενής/Monogene"(for Only Begotten) is used to claim that Yeshua has the Same Essence as God the Father. He has the Same Substance/Essence, & Nature as God, making him God(The Son)❤️✝️
Just ne careful it's pronounced Pa - RaK - Leet not parcelet
I just noticed that, I must’ve misread the word, thanks!
Why is the Trinity nonsense?
It is nonsense because it doesn’t make sense. It is illogical and beyond all reason.
God, as shown in the Bible, has a singular personality. Therefore, he can be described as a singular person and he is, in fact, so described in the Bible. (Malachi 2:10, Ephesians 4:5,6, 1 Timothy 2:5, John 17:3, James 2:19, 1 Corinthians 8:5,6).
On the other hand, God, as described by the Trinity Doctrine’ is (or is it “are”?) three persons in one God. But it doesn’t stop there. Each of the persons of the Trinity are supposed to be fully God and the only true God. You would think then, that there would be three gods. But, no, it goes on to say that there are not three gods but only one! In addition, there is the teaching that Jesus was/is 100% God and 100% man. To any reasonable person who has the ability to think, all this just doesn’t make any sense. Therefore it is nonsense.
As you would expect from something that doesn’t make sense, it takes hours and hours to try to explain away, and ultimately, many are still confused. In the end it is labelled a “mystery”
Peace be with you Friend ❤️
The Bible shows the Doctrine of the Trinity. One God that exists in three Persons:
Father,(Galatians 1:1)
Son,(Hebrews 1:8)
and the Holy Spirit(Acts 5:3-4)
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All 3 Persons are of the Same Essence. All 3 are Interconnected & are Perfectly One. They are just Distinct(Not separate) in PersonHood.
@IslamicMotivation-gy8wp The concept of God transcends human understanding. Just because something is beyond reason doesn’t mean it’s illogical or nonsense. Many profound truths in philosophy and science, such as quantum mechanics, are counterintuitive and not easily grasped by human logic
@@brainz7809 cop out
@@IslamicMotivation-gy8wp
But is the Truth. Anything that aligns with the Word of God, the Bible, is True ❤️
@Daniel_Godismyjudge--Isah33.22 really? Even this:
The Bible has nothing to say against pedophilia.
It does have some passages that seem to approve of it, however. For example:
It's OK to have sex with "women children" that are obtained in war.
And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites ... And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males ... And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones ... And Moses was wroth with the officers ... And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. Numbers 31:1-18
When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it ... And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself. Deuteronomy 20:10-14
How shall we do for wives for them that remain, seeing we have sworn by the LORD that we will not give them of our daughters to wives? ... And the congregation sent thither twelve thousand men of the valiantest, and commanded them, saying, Go and smite the inhabitants of Jabeshgilead with the edge of the sword, with the women and the children. And this is the thing that ye shall do, Ye shall utterly destroy every male, and every woman that hath lain by man. And they found among the inhabitants of Jabeshgilead four hundred young virgins, that had known no man by lying with any male: and they brought them unto the camp to Shiloh. Judges 21:7-11
Go and lie in wait in the vineyards; And see, and, behold, if the daughters of Shiloh come out to dance in dances, then come ye out of the vineyards, and catch you every man his wife of the daughters of Shiloh ... And the children of Benjamin did so, and took them wives, according to their number, of them that danced, whom they caught. Judges 21:20-23
It's OK to sell your daughter (no mention is made of age) to a man for him to use as a sex slave.
if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant ... If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to himself, then shall he let her be redeemed ... If he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish. Exodus 21:7-10
Lost me. I understand The Trinity, but the way this is explained goes over this novices head.
You should probably read more of Tertullian’s works…
He was not a trinitarian. He believed… That there was a time when the son was not.
He was closer to an Arian, than a trinitarian. In fact he’s considered a pre-Arian… since he lived before Arius.
He used the Latin term trinitas, which is where the word trinity was stolen from. But he was no trinitarian.
In fact, he is basically a heretic according to trinitarians.
Sorry to tell you, but your trinitarian church father… is anything but a trinitarian.
Why do you think the guy who literally used the term trinitas and gets credit for the trinity word, isn’t a saint?
Peace be with you Friend ❤️
Even if Tertullian didn't believe in the Trinity, the Doctrine of it Existed in the Bible
@@Daniel_Godismyjudge--Isah33.22
And no one figured it out until 300ish years after Jesus?
So everyone before then believed in a false doctrine/god?
And Jesus... who declared the Father... Didn't expressly say it to anyone?
The single most important thing to know... in the history of mankind... was neglected to be taught plainly?
Only religious leaders a few hundred years later would be able to decipher the hidden code?
Don't forget who wanted Jesus crucified... religious leaders in power.
@@kevin8360
The Doctrine of the Trinity Existed in the Bible.
@@Daniel_Godismyjudge--Isah33.22
And again... No one knew that until 300ish years after Jesus???
That doesn't tell you anything???
That after the "church" began it's rise to power, the doctrine appeared... but before that, nothing?
The closest thing you'll find is people who believe Jesus preexisted birth and was the first thing God made.
Even Tertullian, the guy who used the word 'trinitas', which is where you get your word 'trinity' from.... wasn't a trinitarian. One of your so called 'church fathers' was by definition a heretic to trinitarians.
@@kevin8360 .
Again, they did know that. Tertullian did believe in a Form of a Trinity, hence he came up with the Name.
Proving the trinity? How about proving god first?
Trinity is God.
But i get what you mean.
God has already been Proven through the Universe ❤🌌
Because that is not the topic of the discussion 😑
1 God. There is no Trinity in Heaven. Theyre titles, sort of like how i myself am a brother, son & nephew. Im still me (1), the distinction rests on my relativity. The Father, The Son, The Holy Spirit are all 1. Theyre relative titles God is spirit when he formed himself in the likeness of man he became the Son of God as he was the Spirit of God, he is also the Father as he is the creator. They dont have separatio, God is not schizophrenic he is immesurable
Peace be with you Friend ❤️
God is One. One God that Exists in 3 Persons (Matthew 3:16-17)
@@Daniel_Godismyjudge--Isah33.22 God is not 3 separate & distinct persons. Jesus IS GOD, Mary did not birth the spirit of God only the flesh, that being the son of God as he was created this is why in the prayer Christ taught us; he instructs us to say "Our Father" as we have also been created by him yet bore from the womb of a woman (i suspect) the spirit of God was inside of Christ & while he was flesh he only showed the truth & grace of God to whomever could listen since he had to travel "But very truly I tell you, it is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you" the spirit of God is not limited to 1 place at a time like the flesh is, hence why it is written "Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God?" The Father is spirit "flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God". There is no trinity in heaven, God is the Father, God is the Holy Ghost & God is the Son. God is also a healer, a teacher, immeasurable, the embodiment of love, power, truth, the upmost in righteousness, omnipotent, divine, all-knowing, provider.........
@@BBQMikeD
Indeed, Jesus is God, God the Son to be Exact, Distinct from the Father & the Holy Spirit (Matthew 3:16-17/John 1:18)❤️✝️.
The Son of God is Not created or created through Mary. Rather he Existed with God the Father since the Beginning, even After it (John 1:1-3,10,14).
@@Daniel_Godismyjudge--Isah33.22 either you believe Jesus is God or you believe he is with God. I cannot discern your stance
@@Daniel_Godismyjudge--Isah33.22 if you believe in the Trinity: than you believe they are separate but equal. According to the book there is no separation Colossians 2:9
For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity dwells in bodily form. And you have been made complete in Christ, who is the head over every ruler and authority. If Jesus is the Son of God but not the Father or the Spirit of God than what is he? If the Spirit of God is not the Father than who is the Father?
You should consider obeying the unanimous teachings of the early church before you obey the catholics or orthodox. If you want to learn the difference between the early church's teachings and the catholic church's, let me know. The evidence is overwhelming.
The early church is the reason I’m Catholic.
@@SanctusApologetics
Tell me, is it blasphemy to say Mary committed sins? If it's blasphemy, you believe Irenaeus, Tertullian, Origen, John Chrysostom, Basil, Hilary of Poitiers, Ephrem the Syrian, Epiphanius, Jerome, and Cyril of Alexandria blasphemed. Answer the question.
Even the chief teacher of the Roman catholic church, Thomas Aquinas, couldn't keep up with the rapidly evolving dogmas about Mary. He would be excommunicated for this statement alone:
Thomas Aquinas: “Mary was not only free from actual sin, but she was also, by a special privilege, cleansed from original sin. She had, indeed, to be conceived with original sin. If Mary had been conceived without original sin, she would not have had to be redeemed by Christ, and so Christ would not be the universal redeemer of men, which detracts from His dignity. Accordingly we must hold that she was conceived with original sin, but was cleansed from it in some special way.” - Compendium Theologiæ
@@pontificusmaximus It is not necessary as a Catholic to believe everything every Catholic wrote or said. These guys you listed are “saints” not Jesus, meaning they are flawed in some/many ways. As a matter of fact, if you cannot find at least one thing wrong in their writings then wouldn’t that make them perfect and equal to God? This is the exact reason for the greater church and the magisterium, the whole of the bishops together. “Yes” it blasphemy to say Mary committed sins and this in no way goes against the church teachings. Sorry if that pops your bubble. 🤷🏽♂
@@pontificusmaximus another great example is Jerome. We name him “Saint” Jerome. Probably the greatest bible scholar of his time. Even though he did not consider the Deuterocanon books to be inspired when in fact they are, we still list him a saint in the church. 👍🏻
@@srich7503 You're really missing the point of my message. If the early church teaches something unanimously, it's the truth. It's not blasphemy. Or else, if they unanimously taught something which YOU consider blasphemy, that makes you a protestant church, not the original Catholic church. You're the blasphemers. You developed your doctrine over time. Not even Thomas Aquinas could keep up with your ever-evolving doctrine. He was posthumously excommunicated for insisting Mary was conceived with original sin.
Just wondering what is the music called at the 1:05 mark?
God is not an essence. That means an essence was battling the god Baal. God is a who not a what.
Essence has to do with being/nature. And Everyone is comprised of and a what and a who. It’s not an either or. It’s a both and
@@mlpichardo1
That means you reduce God to a WHAT and not a who. Basically, we could say that you and I are both human by nature therefore, we are two men but one human. Because human is a state of being an essence.
@@Sirach144 you don’t seem to be getting it. When interacting with God your always dealing with a who of course.
@@mlpichardo1
Yes but then when you say there is another that is God then there are two Gods. Then you have to jump back to the nature arguments. That’s like saying you and I are both men, but yet we both have the nature of human therefore we are one human in two men. That’s exactly what the Trinity says you you have to reduce God to a substance to be shared amongst persons. Do you really think the difference between monotheism and polytheism as a issue of natures and substances or do you think it’s an issue of numbers?
@@Sirach144orthodox perspective: there isn't an abstract divine essence, God is a person, the Father, and the Son and Spirit are God in that they share in his essence.
Still doesn’t make sense
Mere humans - created creatures - cannot fully understand the nature of the creator of the Universe.
Imagine that…. 🤔
@@toolegittoquit_001First point: But then isn’t your argument unfalsifiable? Other than agreeing with it?
Second point: The reverse could be said that God is all powerful, therefore he can overcome the barrier that prevents us from not understanding him.
I am just disagreeing with your logic, not focusing on the validness of the Trinity.
@@PeterParker-vi2nl
Peace be with you Friend ❤️
For the First Point, Yes. Something that is just known within Creation.
For The Second Point, God is also All-knowing. So, there is a Reason for Everything he does. In the Resurrection, when we get New Bodies we may Understand God more, but for Now.
We do it step by Step, as we Walk in Faith & in the Spirit, Towards Christ ❤️ ✝️
ANYONE WHO SITS AROUND AND CONJOURS UP TRINITY FAIRY TALES NEED TO GET A REAL JOB,
No one does, it's the truth found in scripture and the infallible conclusions of the ecumenical councils.
Spotted the pentecostal
@@damnmexican90lol
One someone that doesn’t understand the Trinity needs to read a bit more
No trinity exists. The Trinity is just a CONVENTIONAL (i.e. false) doctrine. The Trinity is NOWHERE disclosed by the scriptures (neither OT nor NT). Jesus gives TONS of information regarding God! NO DOUBT Jesus would explain that God is triune and that Jesus is together with Father and Holy Spirit. But this NEVER occurs in his whole life. On the contrary Jesus reiterates He is WITH THE FATHER ONLY. The trinity comes from a MISUNDERSTANDING: the Spirit of God (aka Holy Spirit) is NOT A THIRD PERSON: He simply is God (almighty) who is a spirit (Jn. 4:23,24).
According to your faulty personal interpretation. The ecumenical councils are infallible, you are not.
@@joshuaparsons887
lol a new argument!
The Trinity was a later mythological development in the Church
@@arriuscalpurniuspiso Any unbiased regular person can see that no trinity is even suggested by the scriptures, completely invented. When will you get rid of that falsehood?
Ok guys, let's make a new series of books, putting Jesus in the center of everything (ofc He isn't God, c mon), putting silly phrases (Like "The Father and I are one", "Before Abraham, I Am") and another evidences like Saint Thomas worshipping god and other people recognizing him as god
then, let's compilate all these books in councils (that are infallible in the biblical canons) with the help of the bishop of rome (that doesn't exists, its because there's no early church fathers) and deny any doctrinal decision or correct interpretation (cuz for some reason they were infallible in biblic questions and in the interpretation they are not)
just for fun, just a lil trollin
You guys are so dumb, may Christ with His Divinity extends His Grace upon you and make you see
You're paraphrasing things to make it sound like Tertullian "Proved" the trinity God. He did not. He himself concluded they are separate beings and not one God. Also, he read in Latin, which was before Gen 1:26 was translated to English. In Latin, there is no "LET US, or OUR IMAGE. The same is with the original scripture a well. When properly translated it should read something like this: God said, I make man in my image, and in the likeness of the animals to have dominion over them.
We share al the characteristics as animals, Heart, lungs, blood, hair, we breathe air, drink water and we're made of this earth material, just like the animals and so on. It is also self evident we are not made in the likeness of God, as he has a completely different shape and appearance than we do as shown in Rev 4:3. Of which, no one else shares or has that appearance, not even Jesus.
Therefore, we know that Jesus is not God, as even his body was not made in the likeness of God. As such, there is no such thing as triune God. Jesus is God's son, one of the many that he has. He is not part of this Triune God people want you to believe in.
I’m so glad I quoted from Ch 9 at 2:10 in the video because it refutes your whole point that they are separate when Tertullian literally clarifies this point that they are inseparable.
That sounds all made up. Begotteness refers to nature, therefore to be called God's Son is saying Jesus is of the same substance as the Father which means Jesus is God.
@@andys3035 God is not made of the substances of this earth. Jesus is. Begotten means born of flesh from a woman. Jesus is also not eternal and was born in heaven after the 4th day of Creation. Therefore, this still leaves God Almighty as the ONLY God of Creation and all other things.
@@antichrist_revealed the term "substance" is a metaphysical term describing what God is. God is by nature Spirit, which is non-coporeal. You are both physical and spirit, which is both corporeal and non-copreal, so there is no inconsistency with God having both by virtue of the Incarnation. And begotteness is used of human conception and is used analogically of Christ in relation to the Father. In a human sense, to be a "son of" means that person is in the image of its progenitor and is by nature of that which it has its origin. So no, it isn't that which is born of flesh when speaking about Jesus.
@@andys3035 As a matter of fact it is. Begotten in our world means born from a woman. Jesus was also born from a woman in heaven as shown in Rev 12:5.
He was later born from another woman when he came down to earth to take up a human form. He has two mothers, but one Father.
"You are from beneath; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world."
God is Spirit, yes. But his description in Rev 4:3 is not one of a spirit being, as spirits are presumed and assumed to be invisible. Therefore, God has two characteristics himself.
His spirit radiates from his throne, his word creates things, yet he is not completely invisible where he is established, but is invisible to us just as the air that we breathe is invisible.
The Holy Spirit did not come down to Jesus until he was 30 years old. This was his power to perform by the will of God. It was not of his own power that he did things.
"And there are three that bear witness on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree as one."
So while there are three in the heavens that agree as one, they are in fact not one. They are three totally separate beings.
One is spirit, but has a body like a Sardius Stone, another is spirit with a flesh body, and the other is just a sprit sent to help with understanding and called the helper.
So while the three exist by the spirit of God, so does the heaven and earth, the sun, the stars, and so forth. Yet they are not called God.
Satan also exists by the spirit of God, yet he is not called God, but will make an entrance as God not far from now, and does so now in the churches and the world as he proclaims his Antichrist Jesus as God.
God's other sons are also from God, but they too are not God, nor are they called God. Yet they are sons, brothers to Jesus.
So while all things are created by God, not one of them are God or a God. Not even Jesus.
Your illusion of who and what you think Jesus is, does not stand the test of scripture.
you can't even show your god exists, much less the nonsense about the "trinity".
Well, Aristotle and Aquinas did… ruclips.net/video/ipQwbYKezdI/видео.htmlsi=Nzlbnb8w2-lZqwYf
womp womp
Typical straw man fallacy.
You can’t definitively objectionably disprove God anymore than we can definitively objectionably prove God using your basis. And yet, there’s far more supporting evidence for God compared to the contrary.
I cant even show you what im thinking much less show you my God. But i did sleep at a Holiday Inn last night and i woke up “believing”.
And one more christian who has no idea what a strawman fallacy is. How nice. I know you cultist can't show your god, and all of its versions, exists. I, however, can point to the utter lack of evidence for this imaginary friend, and can show that at any time you claim one of these silly bible events happened, no one noticed.