Why invite her on the show to present her work only to laugh at and mock her and her artwork. As an artist that is an absolute nightmare, the most humiliating and frightening thing to even think about. 30 years later and Westwood is the only person on that stage remembered. She's an icon and an artistic genius.
@@tami8458 good point both of you. It’s sad that someone’s invited with one context and it becomes a comedy piece. Can you imagine if a male designer like Jean Paul Gaultier was asked on with his designs for costuming for Fifth Element to be featured (have o got that right?) and then the audience looks at Gary Oldmans (Zorg?) outfit askance with chuckling. No one would be laughing at film costuming or at plotting ridiculousness…..
I remember being a kid watching this. It was horrible, and I felt really sorry for her. Its 2022 now. Russel Harty is long dead, and Sue Lawley is long forgotten. However, Dame Westwood, is 81 years old, still working, a legend in her field, and has a net worth of around $200 million. Who’s laughing now?😂
@@tz7813 yes, unfortunately. May they all rest in peace. I don't know why, but I noticed the same. Ever since the passing of the Queen I've noticed people dying everywhere.
She truly is! I’m only 23 so I didn’t watch this at the time but watching this clip disgusts me. I met Vivienne at my workplace in clapham last week and she was incredibly sweet. She came up to me and complimented my Afro and style and we talked about fashion and the environment and music from the 70s and 80s. She’s so humble and talented and I’m glad that she’s left her mark on the industry and world!!🙌🏿💜
Me too - it was disgusting and pathetic the way the ignorant audience behaved, sneering at things they didn’t have the imagination to appreciate. Can’t stand Sue Lawley - she was such a cold, snarky b*tch on desert island disks.
Totally agree Collette. Lawley was encouraging Harty and should have shut him down. But that doesn’t make “good telly” does it?! Was this before or after Harty was leathered by Grace Jones for conducting a conversation behind her back. Twice. I know Grace sometimes came across as a bit tricky but you can hardly blame her for having her guard up around Harty if this is how he conducted himself. And my guess is that he was as nice as pie off camera ??? Can anyone shed light on it?! 💡
@@mhoppy6639 Harty's famous slap from Grace Jones was many years before this. Indeed this must have been one of Harty's last TV appearances - it was broadcast in early 1988 and Harty died of hepatitis in June of that year.
RIP Viv, never underestimate the power of clothing. So much of the 70s and 80s was defined by what you wore. Everybody was unemployed, and your identity was what group you belonged to, rockers, new romantic, punks, goths, new wavers. Viv was so influential in so many lives. They were who they were, because of her. Clothing doesnt mean much, but when its all you have, it is everything you hold on to.
Think i watched this when it was on, loved how Vivian handled it she kept her cool and carryed on whist they took the mick nice one Janet for sticking up for her!!
Why shouldn't she be mocked as anyone else might? That's nonsense. She's just a fucking person, she's not a bloody demigod, just a shitting, farting, pissing person who makes clothes that some like and some don't.
@@shylinh5939 Because there wasn't anything to laugh at. Her clothes are lovely and timeless. Vivien is an icon of British punk design, yet those designs were quite subtle. Only ones looking stupid are the sheep laughing.
@@SuzLa1 You don't find her clothes funny or ridiculous, some people do, that's it. People aren't sheep because they don't like Westwood's stuff, it's entirely subjective. Unsurprisingly, I don't consider myself to be sheeplike simply because I believe she and her overpriced garments are hugely overrated. If you want to cast people as sheep, think of those unfortunate buggers who buy Gwyneth Paltrow's Goop crap until it's out of stock. Not appreciating the ideas a fashion designer comes up with is perfectly acceptable.
I remember this being aired in the 80's and being very angry; shame you can't see it here, but Michael Clark danced onto the studio set, which was great. Sue lawley and Russel Harty were both tedious middle england bulley's.
I can't believe i found this video. It's amazing, the clothes and the reaction. It gives me inspiration and strength that even the most talented designers work can be laughed at. Vivienne is adorable and if i was there i would have hugged her! Like a true punk and dame, she stood her ground and remained classy about it 💜
@Mr Vespa no talent? Come back when your even 1% as talented as most punk bands...until then dont bother wasting your breath. You have nothing but dumbass negativity vomiting out of ur pathetic system.
@Mr Vespa good job most people dont agree with you then and that your not in charge. Music plays a vital role in the lives of billions of people, yet you don't think it should be shared. YOU ARE ACTUALLY BRAINDEAD.
I remember hearing that as time moves on we look back and reflect differently. This is one of those moments. The presenter appearing small town. It's so provincial. It's laughable. Dame Westwood way ahead of her time. The female guest Janet clearly on her side.
@@dodibenabba1378 Not sure that's the right way to describe it. Westwood made her name as a leading figure in the punk era, and punk and the people associated with it were deeply unfashionable and out of favour in the capitalist Thatcher-dominated mid/late 80s. It's as simple as that - regarding both punk fashion itself and the left-wing politics associated with it. Rude as it is, the interview merely reflects the mood of the times. Dame Vivienne has had the last laugh though. Those ahead of their time are often mocked.
This interview must have been in mind when they made the Alan Partridge interview series fashion sketch in the '90s. Even Russell Harty is like Partridge here.
Spot on im here in reverse order cos somebody commented on that! Discovered two gems this week. This and the goonies wardrobe easter egg in the jurassic park fat guys outfits. When used right the internet is a wonderful thing for random instant knowledge.
I'm from Leeds and remember the first time i walked past the Westwood shop in the Arcade and her clothes were astounding i remember dresses that would just blow your mind at the quality and workmanship it eschewed quality, unreal fabrics some almost carpet like and colours that reminded me of royalty purples and reds then on other days flowing thin fabrics that looked like the wind. I get its not for everyone but until you have seen her clothes up close and dressed in a window you have zero clue about this amazing lady. RIP Vivienne a true pioneer her designs now now timeless and I empore anyone visiting Leeds for the day to take a route past her shop hopefully they keep her designs in the windows even if they don't sell them!!! A true genius!!!
Westwood knew exactly what she was doing by appearing on this show: It was a two-fingered gesture to the Establishment. Her whole MO was to provoke and cajole with her look and artwork/fashion statements. I found her fascinating because she looked like a (rather posh) librarian or school principal who was experimenting with being outlandish.
It's quite amazing how times change, like her dress, the pom poms to me just sound cute and I found none of the clothes terrible and quite inoffensive, like one of the dresses looked a little home made but that was it. I was more shocked at the huge umbrella walkijg stick thing the guy had out of everything.
I remember when this happened, I was only little. Vivienne Westwood is a fashion icon and fashion historian, I hated the behaviour at the time - it feels like an attack on the working classes - Vivienne's links with the punk movement and coming from a working class family in Derbyshire. Russell Harty is just being deliberately obtuse - clearly the mini crini isn't something designed for the purpose of doing your weekly shop, what a ridiculous thing to say. I would wear that, I love the classic tailoring and grecian inputs with the capes and overcoats. His slack jawed expression just annoys me, he looks like some weird fish that smokes 40 a day.
They are laughing at her, look at the trash they are wearing, probably some clearance lines from BHS or Debenhams, so fucking rude! Westwood is timeless!! Her stuff will always be in style!!!
I love Janet Street Porter, I love her even more now seeing how she stood up for one of the best designers in the world. The sad people laughing would have been wearing a floral dress and Granny’s apron…what would the audience know about fashion
Hey great clip! I'm glad the 'chip shop' model speaks up and defends herself! Which TV show is this taken from? Not the 'Woagn' clip, but the other actual TV show? Thanks again! x
if anyone's ever watched the episode of kmky. with alan partridge set in france with a fashion designer on called yvone boyd. Im sure this episode got to be based on this clip
Thank you Janet Street-Porter for your integrity. Dame Vivienne Westwood demonstrated such restraint and patience regarding this absolutely appalling interview.
0:57, the expression on Sue Lawley's face says it all. She is now an establishment figure par excellence. But the last laugh is on VW's critics now, whatever one may think of her designs.
I was a kid in the 80s. I sometimes yearn for certain aspects of my youth; but that staid, curtain-twitching, well-to-do, anti-alternative atmosphere amongst the grown ups is something I'm glad we've moved on from. This video sums it up. Big respect to Janet Street Porter.
I didn't realise that Alan Partridge borrowed this scene lock stock for his skit with Rebecca Front, and Partridge himself aped the unsophisticated remarks of Harty.
Janet Street Porter didn’t say anything for AGES all whilst grinning. When she ‘stuck up’ for Vivienne it was only to make herself ‘look good’ it was very poor.
The Beatles became multimillionaires, but that doesn't mean they didn't have some terrible songs. The costumes on the show seemed like a comedy routine.
@@TibetanFox68 fashion often has extravagant clothing like this shown on the runway. Elements of the designs make it into both high end and everyday clothing brands, they're not necessarily meant to be worn as entire outfits or everyday ones, only for events or inspiration (with certain items being pieced with regular clothing in a complementary way). You'll struggle to find many normal items on a runway, but they still shape the industry and set trends.
@@TibetanFox68 Maybe they seemed comedic TO YOU. These outfits are beautiful and unique, and clearly not for everyone, but that doesn't mean you can insult them.
A very low moment for Sue Lawley who really should have known better. You can always rely on Janet Street Porter to redress the balance. Brava Vivienne!
I totally agree with Russell Harty, what a load of rubbish fashion that nobody in their right mind would wear, and the laughter of the audience just proves it. The gentleman’s suit at the end was beautiful tailoring, but why put it up against a fancydress display. Just attention seeking. It’s a bit like the story of the King’s New Clothes, where only the little boy could see the truth, and Russell was that boy stating the truth.
Pretentious clothing and the audience could see this that is why they were laughing, like most probably television viewers were laughing too and i was one of them.
First time I've seen it and I laughed. I guess back then people were still able to reject and mock shallow celebrations of idiocy and degeneracy before all that went mainstream.
what i find really interesting is that people call her crazy, delusional, stupid, stuck up, out of touch, but VW is highly influenced by world history; her designs are super grounded and have a lot of context. you're all yapping on about "tradition", "good taste" and "decorum" and yet she's more aware and educated on it than you ever will be. she can definitely be shy and awkward when talking about what she loves but she knows exactly what she's reworking or tearing apart & she's having (OMG) fun with it. i have more respect for people who critique her for being a collage maker rather than an innovator (even though i disagree) than for anyone who just thinks she's pretentious or daft.
This interview is utterly disgusting! They're so undermining! The fact you can still buy those shoes, her collection is still on point today! Proves that they're narrow minded, clueless, rude plebs that got a kick out of making someone look stupid!
Well what did you want them to do pretend that they loved her style ? in fact the laughing actually helped to put her firmly on the map of fashion it got her in the news papers, people were talking about Vivienne Westwood.
Vivian Westwood was well known for over a decade before this.she didn’t need to b ridiculed on tv for publicity.and u don’t have to pretend to like something u don’t but to bring someone on tv to humiliate them is different
vivienne can knock all of them in to a paper..there was another humiliating interveiw like this on the late late show back then where the models all had on the platforms everyone was in hysterics.. i mean janet street porter sue lawley come on ....
Why is Vivienne Westwood famous? She was the girlfriend of Malcolm Mclaren who manufactured the Sex Pistols, who were famous because they were the fashionable thing. They swore on TV, and released an anti monarchy song whilst Vivienne did the clothes. They made a name out of being rude. So why complain when one of them gets a deserving taste of her own medicine?
I came to this clip specifically to laugh. Westwood's clothes are hideous. (Also, I once had the misfortune to meet her - she's a really ill-mannered troll.)
@@decodolly1535 I cant believe how it's become a sin to laugh ...so what and I have also met her in person one of my friends was doing one of her models hair for a show and she is I'll mannered and harsh not nice at all ...I loved that they laughed here here👍👏👏👏👏👏
Why isn't Janet Street Porter saying anything to support Vivienne Westwood. Ok, i read that she did. Westwood's clothes were fantastic, that suit is beautifully made. If i could have worn them, i would. I loved her looks. Westwood's red dress is great. Harty and Sue Lawley were drabs, drabbos.
if put on an empty potato sack will you keep telling me how great I look for the sake of fickle art. one days fashion is another's days cleaning rag. wear what you want.
I'd have laughed if I was there as well. Once an audience gets in a "laughy" mood it's hard to get out of it. I feel a bit sorry for Vivienne, but it was a daft idea to trot out her bizarre designs on a normal talkshow.
She proved them all wrong, Comfortable, Safe, middle of the road fools laughing at themselves if only they knew, Vivienne took it all in her stride, if she cared she never showed it ...... Patronising Sue Lawley in her M&S day wear ..... shameful really.
You have to remember that this is an audience with free tickets who expect to be entertained, they don't know who the guests are and probably think its all a joke
I thought it was a joke at first. I had to check the calendar to see if it was April Fools Day! And people pay good money to wear that crap? The man’s tailored suit was the only good bit.
@@lockleaze Just because a fashion style is not what you personally like does not mean it is bad. Different people will wear different things, tailored to what they love.
I have been wearing Vivienne's clothing since the 1970's she is one of the most influential designers ever in history...Sue Lawley, Russel Harty are disposable, a million would be media students could do a better job tomorrow...She encouraged them to laugh to gain power over the audience...it's a cheap trick, narrow minded presenting and I have seen photographs of Mizz Lawley wearing Westwood..makes you laugh really..
Just discovered Sue Langley's interviews from 90ties - Desert island disc (I am not British). What a narcissistic, mean woman she was. This program is interesting from psychological and sociological point of you (as well as interesting part of history) but gives very negative vibes. Not portrays BBC in a good light.
It wasn't the BBC's fault - they were laughing because they were ridiculous - It wasn't rude - she was just shown as she was.... And calling Russell Harty the voice of the 'everyman' just shows how out of touch the commentator is... 612 likes after 15 years says it all...
It's funny how the audience is laughing when Vivienne is way ahead of them, cos it's 2015 and lots of those clothes are in fashion. I saw Kendall wear a tutu!!
Who's that old queen with the beard doing the interview? Westwood saying she's "never met this response before" just goes to show how she was a bit out of touch.
Sue Lawley sat there looking like a post menopausal third rate Princess Di knockoff playing to the peanut gallery. Those clothes have been far more influential than the mediocrity offered by Lawley and Harty.
What a disgraceful interview...the BBC set the tone here and shame on Lawley and Harty. As for Street-Porter...she left it too late to step in and appeared to be Harty's side-kick for most of the shambles.
No one made fun of her it was her ridiculous designs, a classic case of the king's new clothes when ordinary people in the audience saw them they laughed
Terribly patronising but prime tv works in your favour people laugh but that’s their right it’s like art it brings out all sorts of emotions laughter ,disgust amazement, yes small minded people will laugh but what else can you expect on a light entertainment show it didn’t effect Vivian’s career it just enhanced it ..
The clothes and attitude behind the clothes is too 'original' and the British have always had problems with anyone or anything that seems outside the tribe. Most of these clothes you now see people wearing; again Viv was, like most original artists, in front of the times.
Sue Lawleys accent isn't even her own, both her and Russell Harty are bullies in plain sight. If you know just a little about bullies as I do (having worked with disturbed children) they are the saddest most unconfident, troubled people who try to make others feel as bad as they do for a momentary power trip, the aim being to escape their own low self esteem. Actually Harty and Lawley are just exposing their own painful psychological inadequacies here on national TV for anyone who is remotely aware of human nature, who does this??? I think we MUST LOOK at the institutions that hired them, along with the likes of Jimmy Savile and enabled and broadcast such a horrible spectacle lacking in any humanity, respect or understanding of an art form. Its shocking and, these events arent in isolation. The Bowie interview with Harty is appalling, the Wogan interviewwith David Icke in the 80s is of the same ilk. Its ironic that currently there is so much horror at bullying online, whereas back in the old days it seems it was more of an en mass gladiatorial event with audience participation. What a horrible lot.
Just discovered Sue Langley's interviews from 90ties - Desert island disc (I am not British). What a narcissistic, mean woman she was. This program is interesting from psychological and sociological point of you (as well as interesting part of history) but gives very negative vibes. Not portrays BBC in a good light.
Hideous styles of fashion Vivian presented on tv, she could and should have done so much better, clearly a low point in her career and for good reason but luckily, she managed to do well over the years afterwards
Pity Vivienne hadn't taken Grace Jones onto the interview (BBC charade) ..that would have helped shut the rude Russel Harty up...Grace could have just 'socked' him one again and let Vivienne express what she wanted to say. (I doubt the rude, boring audience would have been so brave to laugh like a bunch of ignorant sheep then)
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Why invite her on the show to present her work only to laugh at and mock her and her artwork. As an artist that is an absolute nightmare, the most humiliating and frightening thing to even think about. 30 years later and Westwood is the only person on that stage remembered. She's an icon and an artistic genius.
Er, not exactly. What about JS-P?
@@tami8458 good point both of you.
It’s sad that someone’s invited with one context and it becomes a comedy piece.
Can you imagine if a male designer like Jean Paul Gaultier was asked on with his designs for costuming for Fifth Element to be featured (have o got that right?) and then the audience looks at Gary Oldmans (Zorg?) outfit askance with chuckling. No one would be laughing at film costuming or at plotting ridiculousness…..
Then how about not making absolute 💩💩💩 then? How many other designers get laughed at? ZERO
@@gunsharck she invented punk. Might be worth educating yourself before making such superficial comments
@@gunsharck Zero culture. How do you think we arrived at thee nike air max your wearing by making plain black boots for ever?
Bold , unapologetic, ages ahead of her time .. such a young soul … Rest in peace Queen of kings road 😢
I remember being a kid watching this. It was horrible, and I felt really sorry for her. Its 2022 now. Russel Harty is long dead, and Sue Lawley is long forgotten. However, Dame Westwood, is 81 years old, still working, a legend in her field, and has a net worth of around $200 million. Who’s laughing now?😂
And JS-P, who defended Vivienne, is still working in the media.
Well she's dead now too
@@dariakwiatkowskowa2039 I just saw the news. Lots of people dying this last few months. Wonder why?
@@tz7813 yes, unfortunately. May they all rest in peace. I don't know why, but I noticed the same. Ever since the passing of the Queen I've noticed people dying everywhere.
@@dariakwiatkowskowa2039 Yeh, everyone dying? Must be nothing? Oh, well.
I remember seeing this at the time and feeling so angry and sorry for Vivienne that I turned the tv off. She's an amazing and iconic designer.
She truly is! I’m only 23 so I didn’t watch this at the time but watching this clip disgusts me. I met Vivienne at my workplace in clapham last week and she was incredibly sweet. She came up to me and complimented my Afro and style and we talked about fashion and the environment and music from the 70s and 80s. She’s so humble and talented and I’m glad that she’s left her mark on the industry and world!!🙌🏿💜
Me too - it was disgusting and pathetic the way the ignorant audience behaved, sneering at things they didn’t have the imagination to appreciate. Can’t stand Sue Lawley - she was such a cold, snarky b*tch on desert island disks.
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...with a sense of humour
@@MRAAng-on2jg "Disgusts me" - lol, you mug.
Well done Janet for supporting Vivienne, one of our first class designers!
Totally agree Collette. Lawley was encouraging Harty and should have shut him down. But that doesn’t make “good telly” does it?!
Was this before or after Harty was leathered by Grace Jones for conducting a conversation behind her back.
Twice.
I know Grace sometimes came across as a bit tricky but you can hardly blame her for having her guard up around Harty if this is how he conducted himself. And my guess is that he was as nice as pie off camera ??? Can anyone shed light on it?! 💡
@@mhoppy6639 Harty's famous slap from Grace Jones was many years before this. Indeed this must have been one of Harty's last TV appearances - it was broadcast in early 1988 and Harty died of hepatitis in June of that year.
Nah Janet kept grinning all along and could have said more and a lot earlier.
RIP Vivienne, you absolute icon. The rest of them can go you know what themselves.
I never thought I'd say this, but... Here goes... WELL DONE, JANET STREET PORTER!
RIP Viv, never underestimate the power of clothing. So much of the 70s and 80s was defined by what you wore. Everybody was unemployed, and your identity was what group you belonged to, rockers, new romantic, punks, goths, new wavers. Viv was so influential in so many lives. They were who they were, because of her. Clothing doesnt mean much, but when its all you have, it is everything you hold on to.
Everybody was unemployed?
@@gwynnethcoan761 its a reach - but in some towns up north I wouldnt say its too much
of a reach
That red dress was beautiful, Those clothes are gorgeous. The First skirt suit was lovely.
Think i watched this when it was on, loved how Vivian handled it she kept her cool and carryed on whist they took the mick nice one Janet for sticking up for her!!
I felt for Vivienne so much. A world class designer who should not of been mocked. Hurrah for Janet!
Why shouldn't she be mocked as anyone else might? That's nonsense. She's just a fucking person, she's not a bloody demigod, just a shitting, farting, pissing person who makes clothes that some like and some don't.
@@shylinh5939 Because there wasn't anything to laugh at. Her clothes are lovely and timeless. Vivien is an icon of British punk design, yet those designs were quite subtle. Only ones looking stupid are the sheep laughing.
@@SuzLa1 You don't find her clothes funny or ridiculous, some people do, that's it. People aren't sheep because they don't like Westwood's stuff, it's entirely subjective. Unsurprisingly, I don't consider myself to be sheeplike simply because I believe she and her overpriced garments are hugely overrated. If you want to cast people as sheep, think of those unfortunate buggers who buy Gwyneth Paltrow's Goop crap until it's out of stock. Not appreciating the ideas a fashion designer comes up with is perfectly acceptable.
@@SuzLa1 In what way are they sheep? I'd say the brainless lefty ponces who blindly accept all that shite as art are the real sheep.
Ha Ha. The woman couldn’t design a pair of knickers. She’s just a joke but she can’t see it.
I remember this being aired in the 80's and being very angry; shame you can't see it here, but Michael Clark danced onto the studio set, which was great. Sue lawley and Russel Harty were both tedious middle england bulley's.
I can't believe i found this video. It's amazing, the clothes and the reaction. It gives me inspiration and strength that even the most talented designers work can be laughed at. Vivienne is adorable and if i was there i would have hugged her! Like a true punk and dame, she stood her ground and remained classy about it 💜
@Mr Vespa based on what grounds do you make this ignorant point.
@Mr Vespa subjective then. You don't like it, so it must be garbage. Kinda sad way of looking at things.
@Mr Vespa no talent? Come back when your even 1% as talented as most punk bands...until then dont bother wasting your breath. You have nothing but dumbass negativity vomiting out of ur pathetic system.
@Mr Vespa i can actually play 3 instruments. what was the name of your band? The prodigy? The clash? Nice try...closed minded bigot.
@Mr Vespa good job most people dont agree with you then and that your not in charge. Music plays a vital role in the lives of billions of people, yet you don't think it should be shared.
YOU ARE ACTUALLY BRAINDEAD.
She maintained herself as a lady of class;)
Just because the audience laughed it doesn't detract from Viviennes flare ...
I remember hearing that as time moves on we look back and reflect differently. This is one of those moments. The presenter appearing small town. It's so provincial. It's laughable. Dame Westwood way ahead of her time. The female guest Janet clearly on her side.
But sadly it wasn't provincial, it was national and a reflection of the lack of cultural awareness in this forsaken country.
@@dodibenabba1378 Not sure that's the right way to describe it. Westwood made her name as a leading figure in the punk era, and punk and the people associated with it were deeply unfashionable and out of favour in the capitalist Thatcher-dominated mid/late 80s. It's as simple as that - regarding both punk fashion itself and the left-wing politics associated with it. Rude as it is, the interview merely reflects the mood of the times. Dame Vivienne has had the last laugh though. Those ahead of their time are often mocked.
@@kevinfowkes2327 you don't have to tell me I was there!
@@kevinfowkes2327 It was before my time so I appreciate the context thank you!
This interview must have been in mind when they made the Alan Partridge interview series fashion sketch in the '90s. Even Russell Harty is like Partridge here.
Spot on im here in reverse order cos somebody commented on that! Discovered two gems this week. This and the goonies wardrobe easter egg in the jurassic park fat guys outfits. When used right the internet is a wonderful thing for random instant knowledge.
I'm from Leeds and remember the first time i walked past the Westwood shop in the Arcade and her clothes were astounding i remember dresses that would just blow your mind at the quality and workmanship it eschewed quality, unreal fabrics some almost carpet like and colours that reminded me of royalty purples and reds then on other days flowing thin fabrics that looked like the wind. I get its not for everyone but until you have seen her clothes up close and dressed in a window you have zero clue about this amazing lady. RIP Vivienne a true pioneer her designs now now timeless and I empore anyone visiting Leeds for the day to take a route past her shop hopefully they keep her designs in the windows even if they don't sell them!!! A true genius!!!
I agree, but I seem to remember that she was from Glossop.
Westwood knew exactly what she was doing by appearing on this show: It was a two-fingered gesture to the Establishment. Her whole MO was to provoke and cajole with her look and artwork/fashion statements. I found her fascinating because she looked like a (rather posh) librarian or school principal who was experimenting with being outlandish.
posh? I thought she looked like a char lady
It's quite amazing how times change, like her dress, the pom poms to me just sound cute and I found none of the clothes terrible and quite inoffensive, like one of the dresses looked a little home made but that was it. I was more shocked at the huge umbrella walkijg stick thing the guy had out of everything.
I remember when this happened, I was only little. Vivienne Westwood is a fashion icon and fashion historian, I hated the behaviour at the time - it feels like an attack on the working classes - Vivienne's links with the punk movement and coming from a working class family in Derbyshire. Russell Harty is just being deliberately obtuse - clearly the mini crini isn't something designed for the purpose of doing your weekly shop, what a ridiculous thing to say. I would wear that, I love the classic tailoring and grecian inputs with the capes and overcoats. His slack jawed expression just annoys me, he looks like some weird fish that smokes 40 a day.
They are laughing at her, look at the trash they are wearing, probably some clearance lines from BHS or Debenhams, so fucking rude! Westwood is timeless!! Her stuff will always be in style!!!
Amir Hussain God almighty what absolute cretins the crowd and presenters are. The clothes look amazing, ahead of their time. JSP good on you.
Yes, she makes clothes for real women
crazzieddie yeah that hit a nerve, not only is she amazing, she’s humble and nice too and you can tell she’s getting annoyed
I love Janet Street Porter, I love her even more now seeing how she stood up for one of the best designers in the world. The sad people laughing would have been wearing a floral dress and Granny’s apron…what would the audience know about fashion
Exactly. People are wearing far more outrageous clothes today and nobody looks twice
Hey great clip! I'm glad the 'chip shop' model speaks up and defends herself!
Which TV show is this taken from? Not the 'Woagn' clip, but the other actual TV show?
Thanks again!
x
3:20 can you imagine nothing better than going to sainsburys
The way they treated her infuriates me every time I see it.
Just like the scene in Knowing Me Knowing You
Ahaaaaaaa!
Are those corn plasters used?
Friggen love Janet Street Porter! Good on you girl for sticking up for an absolute icon! RIP VIVIENNE
Rest in Peace Viv🕊❤
I love Janet she’s great
if anyone's ever watched the episode of kmky. with alan partridge set in france with a fashion designer on called yvone boyd. Im sure this episode got to be based on this clip
Yes, I was thinking exactly the same thing
Of course it was- this Wogan show was big news then
Amazed that that arch-reactionary JSP stood up for her.
Rest in Peace
Vivienne Westwood
No wonder Grace Jones slapped his face on the air.
That's the guy?!
Oh who that's the guy
@@blackvirgo09 Russel Harty
He died a few months after this, in June 1988.
Thank you Janet Street-Porter for your integrity. Dame Vivienne Westwood demonstrated such restraint and patience regarding this absolutely appalling interview.
0:57, the expression on Sue Lawley's face says it all. She is now an establishment figure par excellence. But the last laugh is on VW's critics now, whatever one may think of her designs.
EXACTLY! Thank You!
I was a kid in the 80s. I sometimes yearn for certain aspects of my youth; but that staid, curtain-twitching, well-to-do, anti-alternative atmosphere amongst the grown ups is something I'm glad we've moved on from. This video sums it up. Big respect to Janet Street Porter.
Rest in peace vivienne
RIP Vivienne Westwood
I didn't realise that Alan Partridge borrowed this scene lock stock for his skit with Rebecca Front, and Partridge himself aped the unsophisticated remarks of Harty.
Russell's last tv appearance. :-*
Not surprised.
@@dodibenabba1378 Well no, he means he died. Literally.
good riddance, he was a cunt.
@@BLTKellys Och, so you're a Grace Jones fan?
@Mr Vespa I never liked Grace Jones' attitudes. She was constantly in search of media exposure, so she did that night with him.
Who are the other 3 people?
Janet Street Porter didn’t say anything for AGES all whilst grinning. When she ‘stuck up’ for Vivienne it was only to make herself ‘look good’ it was very poor.
Wow. So rude. It’s crazy to me that they would invite her on to be so rude.
Can you imagine doing that to a designer now.
@MBHD153 were can i find the full show?
Where was Tor and Neumann?
I wonder what the ‘multi-millionaire’ Vivian Westwood thinks of those who were laughing.
The Beatles became multimillionaires, but that doesn't mean they didn't have some terrible songs. The costumes on the show seemed like a comedy routine.
@@TibetanFox68 What 'terrible' songs?
@@TibetanFox68 fashion often has extravagant clothing like this shown on the runway. Elements of the designs make it into both high end and everyday clothing brands, they're not necessarily meant to be worn as entire outfits or everyday ones, only for events or inspiration (with certain items being pieced with regular clothing in a complementary way). You'll struggle to find many normal items on a runway, but they still shape the industry and set trends.
@@TibetanFox68 Maybe they seemed comedic TO YOU. These outfits are beautiful and unique, and clearly not for everyone, but that doesn't mean you can insult them.
A very low moment for Sue Lawley who really should have known better. You can always rely on Janet Street Porter to redress the balance. Brava Vivienne!
I mean, you only have to look at the set. That sums up this “interview” alone.
I totally agree with Russell Harty, what a load of rubbish fashion that nobody in their right mind would wear, and the laughter of the audience just proves it. The gentleman’s suit at the end was beautiful tailoring, but why put it up against a fancydress display. Just attention seeking. It’s a bit like the story of the King’s New Clothes, where only the little boy could see the truth, and Russell was that boy stating the truth.
Is this a winter collection? Yes 😂
Later sent up by Alan Partridge on Knowing Me, Knowing You...AHA!
Pretentious clothing and the audience could see this that is why they were laughing, like most probably television viewers were laughing too and i was one of them.
First time I've seen it and I laughed. I guess back then people were still able to reject and mock shallow celebrations of idiocy and degeneracy before all that went mainstream.
Well done Janet!!!
I love Janet SP for standing up for viv
what i find really interesting is that people call her crazy, delusional, stupid, stuck up, out of touch, but VW is highly influenced by world history; her designs are super grounded and have a lot of context. you're all yapping on about "tradition", "good taste" and "decorum" and yet she's more aware and educated on it than you ever will be. she can definitely be shy and awkward when talking about what she loves but she knows exactly what she's reworking or tearing apart & she's having (OMG) fun with it. i have more respect for people who critique her for being a collage maker rather than an innovator (even though i disagree) than for anyone who just thinks she's pretentious or daft.
Imagine bringing "education" into. Education has nothing to do with taste. Very snobbish attitude.
This interview is utterly disgusting! They're so undermining! The fact you can still buy those shoes, her collection is still on point today! Proves that they're narrow minded, clueless, rude plebs that got a kick out of making someone look stupid!
Well what did you want them to do pretend that they loved her style ? in fact the laughing actually helped to put her firmly on the map of fashion it got her in the news papers, people were talking about Vivienne Westwood.
Vivian Westwood was well known for over a decade before this.she didn’t need to b ridiculed on tv for publicity.and u don’t have to pretend to like something u don’t but to bring someone on tv to humiliate them is different
Rest in Power 🖤🖤🖤🖤
Someone from 2023 looking at the clothes and geniunely not understanding whats being laughed at👀
Alan Partridge brought me here lol
vivienne can knock all of them in to a paper..there was another humiliating interveiw like this on the late late show back then where the models all had on the platforms everyone was in hysterics.. i mean janet street porter sue lawley come on ....
Why is Vivienne Westwood famous? She was the girlfriend of Malcolm Mclaren who manufactured the Sex Pistols, who were famous because they were the fashionable thing. They swore on TV, and released an anti monarchy song whilst Vivienne did the clothes. They made a name out of being rude. So why complain when one of them gets a deserving taste of her own medicine?
3:33 How sweet to be an idiot
An ignorant and misinformed comment.
@@Muirton66 yeah!!
Sue who?
Well done for laughing at them ...so what who cares bloody taking themselves too seriously...ooh I've never had that reaction AND??? GET OVER IT
I came to this clip specifically to laugh. Westwood's clothes are hideous. (Also, I once had the misfortune to meet her - she's a really ill-mannered troll.)
@@decodolly1535 I cant believe how it's become a sin to laugh ...so what and I have also met her in person one of my friends was doing one of her models hair for a show and she is I'll mannered and harsh not nice at all ...I loved that they laughed here here👍👏👏👏👏👏
You have to remember this is the BBC who are so behind in anything creative and new. Thank goodness for Channel 4 they turned things on there head.
Why isn't Janet Street Porter saying anything to support Vivienne Westwood. Ok, i read that she did. Westwood's clothes were fantastic, that suit is beautifully made. If i could have worn them, i would. I loved her looks. Westwood's red dress is great. Harty and Sue Lawley were drabs, drabbos.
Why does he refer to the dress as a chip shop ? I can't work it out .
He means the crinkly white crinoline looks like chip paper
i don't think it was dismissive and i also think you need to chill. pretencious
if put on an empty potato sack will you keep telling me how great I look for the sake of fickle art. one days fashion is another's days cleaning rag. wear what you want.
I'd have laughed if I was there as well. Once an audience gets in a "laughy" mood it's hard to get out of it. I feel a bit sorry for Vivienne, but it was a daft idea to trot out her bizarre designs on a normal talkshow.
Yes. Her earlier punk designs were great but this was scraping the barrel. The self proclaimed ‘avant garde’ are always so gullible.
Most of the people watching it are probably too fat to wear her stuff . As for Russel harty, he’s dead so I guess there is karma
icant believe how rude they were. its horrible!
dude asked someone how "highly regarded they are" and expected an answer lmao
She proved them all wrong, Comfortable, Safe, middle of the road fools laughing at themselves if only they knew, Vivienne took it all in her stride, if she cared she never showed it ...... Patronising Sue Lawley in her M&S day wear ..... shameful really.
You have to remember that this is an audience with free tickets who expect to be entertained, they don't know who the guests are and probably think its all a joke
Considering how ridiculous some of the models look, you can't blame them.
I thought it was a joke at first. I had to check the calendar to see if it was April Fools Day! And people pay good money to wear that crap? The man’s tailored suit was the only good bit.
@@lockleaze Just because a fashion style is not what you personally like does not mean it is bad. Different people will wear different things, tailored to what they love.
They didn’t deserve her 😢
I have been wearing Vivienne's clothing since the 1970's she is one of the most influential designers ever in history...Sue Lawley, Russel Harty are disposable, a million would be media students could do a better job tomorrow...She encouraged them to laugh to gain power over the audience...it's a cheap trick, narrow minded presenting and I have seen photographs of Mizz Lawley wearing Westwood..makes you laugh really..
nick dogma this interview pisses me off every time I come across it, so disrespectful
Just discovered Sue Langley's interviews from 90ties - Desert island disc (I am not British). What a narcissistic, mean woman she was. This program is interesting from psychological and sociological point of you (as well as interesting part of history) but gives very negative vibes. Not portrays BBC in a good light.
It wasn't the BBC's fault - they were laughing because they were ridiculous - It wasn't rude - she was just shown as she was.... And calling Russell Harty the voice of the 'everyman' just shows how out of touch the commentator is... 612 likes after 15 years says it all...
Sue Lawley did this to Christine Keeler, but being the intelligent classy lady she is Christine Keeler came out on top.
This is obviously the scene that inspired the Alan Partridge parody.
It's funny how the audience is laughing when Vivienne is way ahead of them, cos it's 2015 and lots of those clothes are in fashion. I saw Kendall wear a tutu!!
Vivienne‘s outfits are amazing 😻 I’d like to buy her clothes. 😃
Wow so direspectful, poor Vivienne
Fantastic outfits. I guess the guests and audience just weren't quite ready for it.
Who's that old queen with the beard doing the interview? Westwood saying she's "never met this response before" just goes to show how she was a bit out of touch.
Sadly what happens when you take Art to the masses, they poke fun at what they don't understand, which is a lot and it's getting worse.
Who’s laughing now?
The people who can see how silly her clothes were.
Sue Lawley sat there looking like a post menopausal third rate Princess Di knockoff playing to the peanut gallery. Those clothes have been far more influential than the mediocrity offered by Lawley and Harty.
She was (and probably is) highly narcissistic woman.
That man died that same year
2:26- you would never wear that. Everyone needs to get off their pretentious high horses on here!
What a disgraceful interview...the BBC set the tone here and shame on Lawley and Harty. As for Street-Porter...she left it too late to step in and appeared to be Harty's side-kick for most of the shambles.
Love u viv
No one made fun of her it was her ridiculous designs, a classic case of the king's new clothes when ordinary people in the audience saw them they laughed
What's the difference? It's still going to offend them if their work is mocked.
Terribly patronising but prime tv works in your favour people laugh but that’s their right it’s like art it brings out all sorts of emotions laughter ,disgust amazement, yes small minded people will laugh but what else can you expect on a light entertainment show it didn’t effect Vivian’s career it just enhanced it ..
What's so funny about all of these clothes? Nobody would laugh at them today. In fact nobody would bat an eyelid.
Thank you Vivienne Westwood for giving me confidence not to follow Sheep 🐑 R.I.P ♥️
The clothes and attitude behind the clothes is too 'original' and the British have always had problems with anyone or anything that seems outside the tribe. Most of these clothes you now see people wearing; again Viv was, like most original artists, in front of the times.
☀️☀️she was so brill and sunshine 🌞 they are ridiculous 😂
Sue Lawley = Miss Iron Knickers.
Sue Lawleys accent isn't even her own, both her and Russell Harty are bullies in plain sight. If you know just a little about bullies as I do (having worked with disturbed children) they are the saddest most unconfident, troubled people who try to make others feel as bad as they do for a momentary power trip, the aim being to escape their own low self esteem. Actually Harty and Lawley are just exposing their own painful psychological inadequacies here on national TV for anyone who is remotely aware of human nature, who does this??? I think we MUST LOOK at the institutions that hired them, along with the likes of Jimmy Savile and enabled and broadcast such a horrible spectacle lacking in any humanity, respect or understanding of an art form. Its shocking and, these events arent in isolation. The Bowie interview with Harty is appalling, the Wogan interviewwith David Icke in the 80s is of the same ilk. Its ironic that currently there is so much horror at bullying online, whereas back in the old days it seems it was more of an en mass gladiatorial event with audience participation. What a horrible lot.
Just discovered Sue Langley's interviews from 90ties - Desert island disc (I am not British). What a narcissistic, mean woman she was. This program is interesting from psychological and sociological point of you (as well as interesting part of history) but gives very negative vibes. Not portrays BBC in a good light.
Hideous styles of fashion Vivian presented on tv, she could and should have done so much better, clearly a low point in her career and for good reason but luckily, she managed to do well over the years afterwards
Pity Vivienne hadn't taken Grace Jones onto the interview (BBC charade) ..that would have helped shut the rude Russel Harty up...Grace could have just 'socked' him one again and let Vivienne express what she wanted to say. (I doubt the rude, boring audience would have been so brave to laugh like a bunch of ignorant sheep then)