Excellent! We were wondering why the sweep/vac had no suction...we had the valve positioned at 7 not 4...Now corrected, (thanks to you) and everything is working fine. My GF thinks I'm a genius. I told her we are a team and there is no 'I' in "genius!' :)
I never understood my pool guy, he had a very thick accent. But for over a decade, my pool was fine in his hands. He recently had to leave us, and now I actually have to learn. My pool guy tried before, but I could never understand him. Granted, I'm more zeroed in now and actually taking the time to study the jandy valve, directions of my pipes, etc. But the clarity in explanation of this video was the confirmation I needed. Thank you!
This video was a life saver. I thought my cleaner was broken, but I did the 2/3 suction thing you said and it's running like a champ now. Thank you soooo much. Never delete your channel. Your videos are helping more people than you know.
Thanks for your comment and for watching. I'm glad it was helpful. I shall keep this channel up for as long as there is RUclips, Lord willing. Hope you subscribed and please share the channel with others.
Dude I’ve watched hella videos about pools because just moved into a house with one and this guy is the most helpful one out of all and he makes it more easy to understand
Wow! This is EXACTLY how my setup looks. Only difference, one pipe goes to the pool and the other goes to the connected spa. I also use the same pool sweep with the same dedicated connection.
So glad to hear that. Hope you'll subscribe to and share my channel and please check out my website poolschooler.com for more money saving tools, tips, checklists and links for the DIY Pool Owner.
just started witha pool company in june and i watch multiple videos of yours when on my lil walks on the weekends for Great Tips. making sure to like and comment . thanks so much for your wealth of knowledge
@@PoolSchooler extreamly helpful . im enjoying this new avanue for me (pools) was in hottubs for years and really like learning all the ins and outs to make my routes that much more efficient and turn yucks to WOWS! . learned today from your videos about Cynaruic acid (was unfamilier on good levels) and TDS . i'm going to go through Backlog style and make sure a get a view on each to get it all in my noggin
Hope you'll subscribe to my channel then, there's a lot of video that will help with your specific pool needs. Also if you need any specific info let me know and I can more than likely send you a link to that particular video so you don't have to scroll through all of them.
Wow!!!! I watched videos all day and. No one talked about the dedicated suction line. You made me completely understand the suction and the 2 holes in the skimmer. Where are you located... if you are in Miami, please let me know so I can hire your services. Thanks so much! Dan
I was told that the second pipe will also allow water from the main drain into the skimmer if the water level of pool drops below the skimmer while pump is running to keep from losing pump pressure.
According to the Consumer Product Safety Commission, the pressure on some pool drains can be as strong as 300 pounds per square inch. 1 This kind of pressure can suck in hair or body parts, or trap swimmers underwater and cause them to drown, even if someone is trying to pull a victim away from the drain.Jul 19, 2007
Very helpful...just bought a zodiac G3 and didn't know about the 3/4 rule on the vacuum/skimmer valve....went full vac at first and the pump didn't like that.
Well, I now know I have a dedicated vacuum line on the side of my pool thanks to your video. And although I have the 2 main lines on the suction side of the pump with that valve, I also have 2 additional valves in the plumbing after that. It looks like the valve is set for putting 100% suction all to the skimmer, although you cannot open that cap for vacuum line when pump is on. Also, I would like to get an inexpensive creepy crawler dedicated to the vacuum line. Can I send you pics of the plumbing?
Sure. kennypoolschool@gmail.com. Also don't get a cheap creepy crawler. Spend a little more and get the Zodiac Barracuda G3. In my opinion it's the best on the market for the money and easy to maintain and repair.
Thanks, I think this video will help me figure out why my manual vacuum was not sucking very well. Changed over to a sand filter..now I know what the Jandy filter is and how to use it.
You can get an tube like attachment/adapter to put into the hole in your skimmer that allows you to plug in your pool vac hose into it for suction through the pool water side into the skimmer box and see if the vac operates better, if it does you know you don't have enough suction at the pool vac connection. Then I recomment getting a hose suction tester I mentioned above.
I just had a 16 X 32 pool built, and we finally used it last week. However, I didn't know what to do with the pool vacuum attached the underwater "vacuum port" located on the side wall of the pool. I didn't want my kids swimming with the vacuum still running, so I just pulled out the vacuum and hose directly from the vacuum port. As soon as I pulled out the hose, a "safety cap" sealed off the vacuum port. Although the vacuum port was now sealed off, I realized I hadn't turned off the valve to the vacuum port, so there still was a tremendous amount of suction force in the sealed vacuum port. My question for anyone who may know: since I didn't turn off the vacuum port valve for more than a week, could that have damaged my pump? After watching the video, I learned that if the pool vacuum is not in use, than the vacuum port suction valve should be turned off...Right? Great video! Learned quite a bit.
Oh, also. It's possible you're equipment is still ok. Although it probably worked your pump/motor harder than it should've. Usually there is a suction adjustment where the water enters your pool pump (the suction side) that allows for adjusting the suction between the vacuum and skimmer. Usually the majority the suction needs to go to the vacuum BUT about 1/3 or so of the suction is still coming from, or going to the skimmer. So when your vacuum port cover shut and your pump ran that week during it's scheduled hours the water would still be sucked from the skimmer although it would be somewhat restricted which is why I said it may have caused your motor/pump to work harder than usual. Hope this makes sense.
@@PoolSchooler Thank you very much. Looks like everything is running well. I've only used the 400K heater once. Pool's remained warm (around 80 degrees) with the air bubble cover.
Hi. Thank you. I'm a beginner pool owner. This video is very helpful. I have a Zodiac G3 suction vacuum. It gets clog easily with big debris and cuts off the circulation. There are plenty of tall pine trees surrounding the pool, so lots of pine needles and pine cones get into the bottom of the pool. These debris ofte clog the Zodiac G3. What suction vacuum do you recommend that has its own debis collecting basket that does not impede with the suction?
Unfortunately I don't know of ANY suction side (or other type) of vacuum that can handle that type and size of debris. That's the kind of stuff you'll need to net out. There are limits to what a vacuum can handle. Sorry.
Hi, at 11:24 when you blocked off the skimmer you hear and see air in the basket. Where is this air coming from? Is it some sort of cavitation? I ask because I am struggling with an air leak in my system. I have two Jandy valves with three inputs, skimmer, main drain, and a pool cleaner input. So far i have replaced the Jandy valve O-rings, and tried to search for the leak with smoke and pouring water on all potential leak points, but nothing above ground seems to be leaking. I even found a method of using PVC primer and glue while the suction is occurring, apparently if as you apply them where the leak is it will suck in primer then glue and seal the leak. There was a demonstration and lots of folks in the comment said it worked great for them as well. So even though I could not find a leak, I applied primer and glue to every connection point but that also did not help, that probably explains why I could not detect a leak with the smoke or water method, because the leak is somewhere else? I am thinking maybe in the pipes under ground? Unfortunately whenever I try to close off the skimmer to see if the air is coming from one particular line I get what I can only think is cavitation air so... Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Typically air gets in via the pump lid or o'ring. Check to make sure the lid is not cracked in any way (sometimes a crack is really hard to see) and make sure the lid o'ring is clean, and lubricated and not dry or cracked in any way. Also make sure the lid threads and the channel the o'ring fits into are all clean and dirt free. That could help.
Ok a question. If we have a dedicated vacuum line but skimmer is not getting enough suction to the skimmer, I should have a diverter on the pump to switch more to the skimmer right?
No, the diverter sits inside the bottom of the skimmer below the basket. It is used to divert some of the suction from the skimmer to the floor drain. There should be an adjustment valve at the low side of your pump where there are two pipes, at least coming out of the ground into a valve like a Jandy valve and then into one pipe that goes directly into the pump. That valve is where you adjust the suction between the skimmer and the vacuum.
I just vacuumed my pool and back washed it. Easy Peasy with Kenneth's walk through! I just saved 75.00 a week and did a much better job! Thank you so much Kenneth! You explain stuff so well, it makes it so Easy to understand. 😊💕
Thanks for the information as I wonder about the balance, right now I have in the middle as we are opening the pool. I think last year we had too much skimmer suction while I was vacuuming the bottom and reason some times it would be too hard to move or get stuck! We do have the Polaris but I vacuum to get the leaves out. I watch again before we stick Polaris in for a normal operation.
You don’t have to. When I was first taught how to service Pools the guy who taught me wanted me to put the suction 100% to the skimmer but sometimes the pool water level wasn’t high enough to begin with it would end up sucking air because the water level would drop below the skimmer opening. Typically I leave it where it is for the typical vacuum to run and that is sufficient. If you have a diatomaceous earth filter and you want greater pressure flowing through the filter when you’re back washing you can dedicate more suction to the skimmer just make sure you have enough water in the pool.
I have heard "pool guys" describe bringing water up from the central drain as difficult. It is not difficult as a drain under 8' of water actually has the weight of 8' of water pushing it upward. I don't wanna be mean just because my pool builder put a fish eye where my dedicated vacuum was supposed to be. But still, a column of water is a column of water!
If you can disable the pop up system altogether WITHOUT restricting the return flow to the pool then I'd do it. Here's a video I did on that subject: ruclips.net/video/8VyX9HAb3Fg/видео.html
@@PoolSchooler I'm in the process of re-surfacing my pool, and the pool builder is suggesting I kill them and do a vacuum line return, but I don't have another return besides the pop-ups. I did watch that video, your videos are very helpful!
@@blaneahm9891 Did he suggest a return side vacuum? If so I'm not a fan. If it's on the suction side then I'd recommend it. Return side "vacuums" don't work very well as they blow water rather than suck up debris.
@@PoolSchooler No, just a dedicated suction line for the 4-wheel pool cleaner. However, if I do that, would that be Ok without any other returns since I will be killing the pop-up system?
@@blaneahm9891 I would be concerned about killing the pop-ups because you’ve got to have some return flow back to your pool. Or the pressure is going to build up and it could damage or blow up your filter. I believe you said you have a water feature, and that might help alleviate some of the pressure, but what I might suggest is pause your pop-ups permanently when they pop up on your steps so that way you get return flow back to your pool. And, I would not recommend a four wheel pool cleaner. I would go with the zodiac barracuda G3. Less things go wrong with that and it’s the most reliable and my favorite vacuum out of all.
can you do a video on how to backwash with this type of pool because this is the one we have? we also have a nobe that says aerator and return and we don't know if we are supposed to turn those
Your return valves aren't in play when you backwash since the returning water is flowing out the backwash hose or pipe. Watch my video on Aerators. Here's a link, I think it'll help with your second part of the question: ruclips.net/video/UbAeU_-F62A/видео.html
thank you for this video. can you have pop ups and side suction in a pool at the same time?, i have the pops up, i want to see if i also have a side suction for my vacuum, im tired of manually doing this. i rather plug it in and see it go , thank you
It is possible, however many times there is a side suction port BUT it's for the leaf catcher that works in conjunction with the pop up system and plugging a vacuum into that doesn't work very well. So unless I could see how your system is set up it'd be hard to comment on it. You could convert your pop up system to a stay in the pool suction side vacuum. Here's a video on how to do it BUT I'd suggest the Barracuda G3 Vacuum. ruclips.net/video/gSfbNv4sV_M/видео.html Hope that helps. and I hope you'll subscribe to my channel.
hey great vid and just subscribed. question on the suction pipe. My pool does not have the vacuum line, only skimmer and the main floor drain. In my case, where should i place the valve at? I mean a little bit more suction give for skimmer or little more for floor drain? Or just right in the center 50-50?
You may want to double check that. If you have a stay in the pool suction side vacuum, then the valve will adjust the suction between the skimmer (which will share suction with the floor drain - if you have two holes in the bottom of the skimmer sump that's the case) and you should adjust about 2/3 of the suction to the skimmer for the vacuum to work well. If you do actually have only one skimmer hole and a floor drain then I'd adjust it as needed. Sometimes you need more to the skimmer to get it to effectively "skim" the surface "floaters". Or put more to the floor drain if and when you brush the pool down (and brush towards the floor drain) so it can suck out the dirt you brush. and check out my exclusive member DIY pool maintenance website www.poolschooler.com
I have a dedicated line for my pool vacuum. However, the skimmer line is shared with what I believe the bottom pool intake or drain, which makes me nervous, because I don't want to open it so the inlet or bottom drain starts draining the pool - so water gets under and lifts my pool.
@@RavensRule09 it is very typical for the skimmer to share suction with the floor drain. As long as you’re not backwashing your pool, any of the water is fucked the skimmer or the floor drain should go through the filter and then go back to the pool so it should be fine.
Is it bad to keep the valve on 2/3 side vacuum line even when vacuum is not in the pool? It has a cover on it. Will the suction mess up the filter? Thanks!
Why take the vacuum out even with the cover on? It'll still work with a cover on. But if you do take it out you should probably open the skimmer suction to 2/3 to reduce wear and tear on the pump.
Hello I just subscribed to your channel very good information. I have a question so my I’m remodeling my pool and equipment. Is it better to plumb the skimmer and main drain separate. What’s the down side in having the main drain tied into the skimmer ? Also I’ve noticed that all my plumbing is done in 2inch pipe except my side vacuum line is in 1.5 inch pipe is that incorrect?
Not sure about the size of the piping. That may be a local code thing. BUT I don't believe it's allowed by building codes (and OSHA) to have a dedicated line to the floor drain for safety reasons. (ie: a child gets themselves stuck on the floor drain when it's running). But I'd check with your building codes out there for that info
Hey ... thanks so much for making these videos! I’m having trouble with suction to my vacuum. It takes foreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeever to vacuum my pool. This is my first year D.I.M. and I’m definitely feeling like a broken lightbulb ... I only have one line going into my pump. I don’t have any drains in my pool and I have two skimmers. Do I need to block one of them? If so, how? I don’t know if it’s relevant but I have a Hayward de filter that has one of those cranks that you turn to “filter, waste, close, backwash, circulate, rinse” that’s the only valve I can adjust
Yes you certainly should block one of the skimmers to vacuum your pool (the old fashioned way). That's probably why it takes so long to vacuum. Watch my video on vacuuming your pool the old fashioned way. Here's a link: ruclips.net/video/x9WaMUzSO-8/видео.html. I used to use a tennis ball to plug the other skimmer.
Hey awesome helpful video. So from what I understand it is normal that the drain at the bottom of an inground pool doesn’t have any suction? Just purchased a house with an old cement inground pool. Since opening the pool the water is now murky and we are finding the bottom is covered in sand. I was thinking it’s because of the bottom drain. Now I’m thinking maybe it’s coming from my sand filter?
Thanks for your comment. I'll try to answer your questions. #1. The floor drain does get suction if you use a diverter in the skimmer. Heres a video on that: ruclips.net/video/-TUs90A5uVo/видео.html. So the sand in the pool and the murkey water leads me to believe that your sand filter manifolds (inside the filter) are broken and need repairing. While youre having that done you should just go ahead and replace the sand so you have fresh new sand in there and it will help filter better. Hope that helps and please do subscribe to my channel.
The pump starts making that noise because the water is starting to cavatate. You should never ever ever leave your. Pump running like that. The cavatation in a pump can destroy the internals. It starts doing this because the pump is already pulling as much possible water as it can through that line.
Dominick Caputo agreed. Several of the guys who trained me taught me to take it to where the cavitation started then back it off 2 clicks. It’s proved very helpful.
You absolutely can, providing that you have two separate pipes on the suction side, going to each individual skimmer that you can adjust the valve. If not, and they share a single suction pipe, which so many multiple skimmer pools, do you might have to plug one of the Skimmer suction holes to get enough section. That is, if you don’t have the ability to adjust it at the pump
Hi, this is a very helpful video! One small question. Shouldn't there be a suction pipe for the main drain? this video shows only suction pipe for skimmers and vac. Do we not need dedicated suction pipe for main drains from the pool?
Typically (at least in my experience in Arizona) there is no specific floor drain suction pipe for solely the floor drain. My understanding is that OSHA made that against code to prevent little ones from getting stuck to a floor drain. So now the floor drain and the skimmer share the same suction pipe. If you look inside the skimmer sump/well you should see two holes in the bottom. One is the suction directly to the pump and the other goes to the floor drain. With the use of a "diverter" you can bleed some of the suction from the skimmer to the floor drain.
@@PoolSchooler Thanks! I see the 2 holes in the skimmer section. And if I feel one of them, I can see the water going into it. However, the other hole seems to be passive. If it's job is to suck water out of main drain and feed into the skimmer hole, then shouldn't I be seeing water coming into the skimmer section from the other hole? I have 2 skimmers and I see 2 main drains at the deep end of the pool. I also see a lot of pipes connected to the pump, perhaps because I have a spa as well. Is it ok if I send you the pics of the pump area to your email address mentioned at the end of the video? I am really confused about which pipe is what and what should be position of various valves. My pool builder who just built it never showed up to explain after taking final payment :(
@@TheCreativeComposer The one you feel water going into is the one that goes directly to the pump. You won't see water being sucked from the other hole because that hole is passive unless you use a diverter which "diverts" some of the suction from the other hole to the floor drain. Each skimmer you have has a pipe to one or the other floor drains and you'll need to use a diverter in each to have them actually work.
The skimmer adapter I use or recommend for a pool that does't have a dedicated vacuum line is a VacMate by Pentair. That way you can install a stay in the pool suction vacuum to your system without sacrificing the skimmer function also.
***HELP PLEASE ***Hey brother, appreciate your time sharing your knowledge. I have a smaller fiberglass pool, (700-8000gal) with a main drain, skimmer, and vac port. It has a large sand filter and Hayward 1 hp pump. Purchased a Polaris Atlas, and in trying to run it, I have main drain closed, vac port open, and skimmer about 1/2 open. The cleaner just sits on bottom, and as I cut skimmer line down, it starts to move. Problem is, I have to turn skimmer all the way off for the cleaner to work properly. In turn, that decreases the amount of water in my pump intake, barely being able to see any water flow at all. I have a separate 1/2 hp pool pump, and wonder if I could install it on the pool side of my vac port, and will that increase The flow enough for the atlas to work properly, still having enough flow into my main 1 hp pump so as not to burn it up? Your thoughts???
Typically, with a one horsepower motor, you might have to put 2/3 to 3/4 of the suction completely to the vacuum in order to get it to move around. That’s not uncommon. But you shouldn’t have to completely shut off the skimmer, but there’s no need to use the floor drain if you have a vacuum.
@10:10 min, what's that white thing sticking out from the wall? And, what can it be used for? Also, if I'm swimming, do I have to keep the vacuum inside the pool as well?
That is an aerator nipple. Here's a video on Aerators: ruclips.net/video/UbAeU_-F62A/видео.htmlsi=2tp5-9QbQiVXXl2Z Regarding your pool vac. You can absolutely take it out of the pool when you're swimming BUT DON'T REMOVE IT WITH THE PUMP MOTOR RUNNING (unless you know how to adjust the suction valves so it doesn't suck from the vacuum line) and if you do know how to adjust the suction MAKE SURE YOU PUT THE VACUUM BACK AND RESET THE VALVES WHEN YOU'R DONE SWIMMING BEFORE THE PUMP MOTOR TURNS BACK ON.
Some options: 1. Reduce the suction on your skimmer so more goes to the pool vac (but not so much that it comes out of your pool. 2. Raise or lower the water level of your pool a little. Sometimes that makes the difference. 3. Attach a hose weight to the section of the hose that typically get's "sucked into" the skimmer. 4. If you have any type of water feature make sure it's not creating a current that could push the hose the direction of the skimmer. Typically the first two options can take care of the problem.
I have a side port by my skimmer that has never, to my knowledge, been opened. There is a screw in cap on the pipe. Is this a dedicated vac port or just something that could have been used as one? I have a single main pipe going to the pump from the pool and a Pentair U3 skimmer. Should I remove the cap to see if this is a dedicated vac port or leave it alone. The concrete pool was installed in 1989. Thanks! I need to find you pool cleaner vid now so talk to you later.
Dave Leary I’ve only come across one or two pools that have a similar configuration that is a screw in A slash plug in one of the holes in the skimmer sub. On both of those pools it turned out that the hole that was capped actually went to the floor drain and for whatever reason they chose to It off. Sorry I don’t know more than that.
@@daveleary5830 I also have a screw in plug to a port in my pool but it's on other side of pool directly across from skimmer. And mine is a dedicated vac port
I'm in the process of installing my own fiberglass pool. After watching video I think I'm going to run main drain line straight to pump and not skimmer. With that said would you recommend adding a vacuum port to side of pool or just run the 2nd skimmer line to pump and just use that as vacuum port?
A few things. 1. Make sure you have a way to adjust the suction. between any and all the suction lines, especially the main floor drain so it doesn't get so much suction as to pose a hazard to small hands ect getting sucked into it. 2. I think the idea of having a dedicated line to a suction side vac like the Barracuda G3 (my favorite) is always a good idea. BUT 3. I'd try to find a way to also have a skimmer suction so you could adjust the flow for the vac. You really don't need the main drain suction except for draining the pool. The rest of the time you should split the suction between the skimmer (30% and the vacuum 70% approximately). PS. Please subscribe to and share my channel. Thanks
So the hose that connects to the side of the port isn’t the same size as the one in the skimmer I’m trying to vacuum to waste would I need a new hose to attach it too then another pump to vacuum I got the hose with the pump always in the pool
You should be able to use either the side port (and use the hose that goes to your stay in the pool vacuum on your vacuum head OR you can manually vacuum using the skimmer port but would need a vacuum hose which is a bit larger in diameter. This video may help: ruclips.net/video/x9WaMUzSO-8/видео.html
It depends on which pipe(s) you want the suction going to. If you have two pipes coming into the suction side usually I'd split it between the two. BUT it really depends on how much suction you want/need to each specific line. If you can tell me the source of the two suction lines going into your pump at the Jandy valve I can helps you better.
@@PoolSchooler so If the jandy valve is pointed towards the pump... does this mean I'm getting suction to the drain at the bottom and the skimmer? ... thank you sir 🙏🏽
@@jacobalfaro8982 Typically the valve handle should have (opposite of the part you grab) a rounded end that says "off". If that's pointed at your pump then you have all the suction completely off. Watch the video again but skip ahead to 4:50 in the video and it'll explain what I'm talking about. And answer your question.
Can I cap the worthless hole at the main pump? I have a leak coming from that line to the skimmer and would hate to empty my vinyl liner and replace that line. I have never used a diverted at the skimmer anyway
I have a unique question. I have this same set up; main drain/skimmer and a dedicated vacuum. I do not have a waste setting. To simulate a waste setting, could I close the skimmer manually to allow the suction to pull from the main drain, then backwash while pulling from the main drain/ vacuuming? It's just a thought
There used to be available a vacuum to backwash piston that you could put in your existing backwash valve that would allow you to vacuum the pool directly to backwash so that way it wouldn’t go into the filter. I do not know if those still exist you may want to look online for something like that.
what if you have it set the way you had it 2/3rds the way to the vacuum and the suction at the skimmer is not the same as in this video meaning lower what could be the issue if everything is clean?
The point of that is to have enough suction so that the vacuum cleaner will actually do its job. So I believe I say you have to play with it a bit if that’s typically where it sits for the suction on the vacuum to be sufficient enough for it to work as well as have the skimmer. But it really depends on each person‘s pool and how it’s set up. If you find that you need to dedicate a little more suction to the skimmer and the vacuum still runs then do so.
I have a spa, so I have 2 valves: (1) feed to pump (from pool or spa), and (2) Return after pump (to pool or spa), my skimmer is not skimming. It seems in the skimmer, one pipe is feeding the vacuum pipe, so the flow of the water does not come from the surface of the pool, not sure why, any idea? thanks
Thats a cover for the vacuum port. It's necessary for safety reasons. If, say, someone disconnected the vacuum line and the pump came on or was already on, the suction could be dangerous too someone like a child getting their hand or other body part stuck in it due to the suction.
Hello….upon your advice I purchased a Zodiac G3 and for the first 2 days it ran great. My problem is that when the system starts up it makes a beeline towards the suction port faster than a black Lab after a milk bone….once it gets there it wraps itself up in a knot that even Houdini could not escape from!!! I have tried everything that I can find online but nothing seems to work….HELP!!!
It sounds like you have far too much suction to your dedicated vacuum line. Try adjusting the suction between the skimmer and the vacuum line to where less suction is going to the vacuum line that should help.
Thanks for the video! Even with 100% of suction diverted to the skimmer, there is hardly any suction felt in the skimmer pipe, and the whirlpool in the skimmer well is very dainty. There is hardly any noticeable movement of surface water into the skimmer port, and the surface of the pool stays filmy after 3 hours of pump running. How do I fix/troubleshoot this? The cleaner moves around nicely at 2/3 of the power diverted to it. But the skimmer does not seem to do anything no matter how I turn the valve. Thanks!
You may have a clogged impeller or something is causing either a restriction in the suction or it's something in the impeller. Try cleaning the impeller here's a video on that: ruclips.net/video/1xuGFGDJBmA/видео.html. Also check the return side of your equipment. Is there ample flow back to your pool. Also check your filter pressure. Is it high? If so something may be restricting your return flow or you may even need to clean your filter.
Pool School thank you! Going to watch and also learn what an impeller is. I want to mention that there is plenty of suction in the skimmer pipe when I feel it out with my fingers. Like if I would clamp my hand over it, it feels like it will hurt. But all this suction is not transferring to the surface. There is a tiny wimpy whirlpool that just moves leaves on the surface and is not pulling them down into the basket. And the surface debris in the pool outside the skimmer port is in no hurry to move into the port. Just bobs about. Thanks!
Pool School pressure is 35 psi. The filter got cleaned and blades replaced two weeks ago. Not sure how to check the return side. My pool guy, with whom we parted ways yesterday, spent three weeks trying to address the problem of the water draining from spa into the pool overtime when pump is not on. I feel somewhere during this process the skimmer stopped working. I have four valves and only understand one of them. Two of them are closed off and don’t budge easily. I don’t want to break them.
Pool School the impeller was not clogged, and I sort of knew it would not be because there is a powerful flow of water from the intake into the pump. I just can’t get it to translate into a clean pool :)
atolk So, 35 psi is pretty high. My guess is that one or more of your return valves is partially shut and that’s causing your pressure issue and your lack of circulation. If you could take pictures of your system and your plumbing and the pipes around your filter with all the valves and email them to me and I can better assess what’s happening. With regards to your spa draining overtime with the equipment off. That’s usually a case of a thing called a check valve not shutting. A check valve is a one-way valve that usually is on the return side of your equipment and it allows water to flow from the filter back into the spa but when the equipment shuts off that valve shut because it’s spring loaded and prevents water from flowing back out of the spa. Basically if there wasn’t a check valve the water would reverse directions and flow back out of the spa. So again, I’m pretty sure that the reason your spa dreams is because there’s something wrong with your check valve on the return side of the spa. As far as the pressure like I said, if you’ll send me pictures via email of your pool equipment I can better assess what’s going on. My email is Kennypoolschool@gmail.com
It depends on how much water you want to flow to either of those. It also depends on if you have only one pump/motor for the entire pool or some pools have an additional pump/motor for things like waterfalls and even solar heating. Again, it depends on what you're doing. If you want heating with your solar you'll want a large amount of your return water to run thru the solar, if you want more water to your waterfall then more should be directed to that.
@@abubakarikani8007 typically it’s used to keep the water at a certain temperature that’s warmer than the outside temperature. Or if you have a spa/Jacuzzi and allows you to heat the water in that so it’s therapeutic.
First time I vacuumed my pool, I did it like you showed, attaching the hose directly to the skimmer port. This is a mistake because it sucks all the crap you are cleaning up right into the pump basket. The proper way is to use the adapter that goes over the skimmer basket thereby collecting a lot of the debris rather than sucking it through the lines.
You can do it either way. I've never had to use an adapter but if you have a lot of debris in the pool you may want to consider using a leaf vacuum(or bagger) that attaches to a garden hose and uses water pressure to create a vortex to suck the leaves etc into a mesh net attached to that type of vacuum.
I'd have to see pictures of what you're talking about. Could you email some to me so I can see exactly what you're talking about? kennypoolschool@gmail.com
Not at all. If the valve seems tight you might have the valve nut screwed down too tight. Try loosening it a bit and the valve should move easily with or without the pump running.
I have what looks like a dedicated pool vac hookup 1/2 foot below the skimmer line and 8 feet from the skimmer; however, adjusting the suction side valve next to the pump seems to only effect the skimmer and bottom drain; I don't feel any suction around the dedicated pool vac hookup no matter what position the valve is placed. Could the second hole in the bottom of the skimmer lead to the vac port instead, and possibly be an equalizer line, and how would I safely test this without potentially hurting the pump? If it is an equalizer type line from the skimmer, can such a line be safely used as a vac line?
The hole 6" below the skimmer opening is typically a "quick skim" feature: (link to video that: ruclips.net/video/POEGXbJtOJY/видео.html) That works on the return side of your system please watch the above video (link). Typically the second hole in the skimmer goes to the floor drain and the suction to that is controlled by a diverter (video on that: ruclips.net/video/-TUs90A5uVo/видео.html Is your pool equipped with a pop up in floor cleaning system. That hole 8' from the skimmer (on the side of the pool wall) could be a leaf catcher if you have a pop up system. I'd have to see a video of your pool to really be able to accurately advise.
So i have sand filter and non-jandy (screw in valves) and can't seem to get water into my replaced pump, not sure why. Just replaced a pump, but pool sat for almost a week without a pump... any ideas? Pump just can't pull water, even with vacuum line all the way off.
I did a video on prime in your pump that I would highly recommend watching. And don’t just skim through it the first part of the video I talk about the pump second part I talk about troubleshooting why it might not prime and then third part I go into detail about priming your pump when it’s sat empty for a long time. So please watch that video I think it will answer your questions. Here’s a link ruclips.net/video/wD_7YjxITX8/видео.html
Does the floor drain share the skimmer side or the vac port side? When I empty the pool (mostly) so I can acid wash and clean should I block the skimmer hole so it’s not sucking air?
It shares the skimmer side. You can’t block the skimmer port/hole cause it’s where the suction actually pulls from. The. There’s a diverter that fits into the bottom of the skimmer that has the ability to divert the suction to the floor drain. BUT most pool guys out in my area use a separate submerseable pump to drain a pool. They tell me the floor drain diverter port way doesn’t work well some say it doesn’t work at all.
It really depends on the system. That's why they have adjustments. Also do you have a suction side vacuum line as well. If so you'd adjust the three so that the vacuum would function well while still allowing the skimmer adequate suction to do it's job. But typically if there is a floor drain suction adjustment your pool's cleaning system is a popup system in that case you want to find the best adjustment between the floor/main drain and the skimmer to allow for optimal cleaning. Typically (BUT NOT ALWAYS) it means a bit more suction to the floor/main drain, but you have to try different combinations to get the ideal setting for your pool.
PS, my pool does not have a pop up, it is a designated suction line, and I have 3 valves going into my pump. Main drain, skimmer, and vacuum. If I turn main drain off, and have skimmer about 25-30% open, the Atlas barely moves. If I close skimmer down more, the Atlas works great, but there hardly any water flow to pump at all. I SAN barely see it through top of pump housing, and motor starts sounding like it’s not getting enough water.
@@ForTheAverageAmerican typically if you have a lot of air in your pump, then there’s some type of leak possibly check your O-ring for the pump lid and make sure that the lid seals well with the O-ring and the pump housing. Just a thought make sure that your water level is high enough so that it’s covering half to 2/3 of the skimmer opening.
diverter.... that hole is worthless. No, I agree that the bottom drain does not do that much (I use a pressure side cleaner, myself), but the "diverter" (actually called a float assembly): www.amazon.com/Pentair-08650-0079-Assembly-Replacement-Sta-Rite/dp/B004VU8TL2?ref_=fsclp_pl_dp_15 is NOT worthless. I have seen them REMOVED, and I have seen the line to pool bottom plugged with concrete. That's NOT all it is good for. The float assembly (A proper one) has a float in it that closes off the flow to the skimmer if the skimmer runs dry. It will then take ALL of its water from the bottom. Why would the skimmer run dry? Several reasons. First, if the pool is not kept full and the water level falls below the skimmer port. Second, the door or weir that keeps the leaves from flowing back into the pool and also keeps the velocity of the water flowing into the skimmer high, can JAM on debris and actually block the flow to the skimmer enough that the pump will empty the skimmer. The float assembly is an important backup system that keeps your main pump from burning out when you go on vacation. DON'T REMOVE IT.
Does this type of system drain the pool water itself? Or do you have to find a manual way to drain the water? If anyone could answer this it would be extremely helpful and max appreciated!
Typically I'm not a fan of using this type of system to drain the pool water entirely. I'd suggest a submersible hi volume pump. I did a video on this subject which you can check out at: ruclips.net/video/HFKoombKtPg/видео.html and then also watch this one on how to drain your pool: ruclips.net/video/2D_kk4ZLl00/видео.html Hopefully those two videos will help,
No matter what I do I can’t get my vacuum to the recommended 11-14 wheel rpm. I have a dedicated vac line. With my pump on high vac line and skimmer full open I get 8 wheel rpm. When I start closing off the skimmer to increase the vac suction I immediately start getting cavitation. I increased the pump RPM when on high to 3250 and it get 9.5-10 wheel rpm but still can’t get the 11. It’s a brand new pool and vacuum. It’s the poolvernugan the pool cleaner. When I close the skimmer even 10% starts cavitating
Sounds like you have a blockage in your vacuum line. Since it's a new build it may be come of the plaster or other debris has lodged in the line. Try either blowing it out or snaking the line out. I had a client who had this issue after having his pool resurfaced. There could also be a blockage at the valve that controls the suction between the vac and skimmer.
I'm going to do a. video on skimmer "diverters" soon. Subscribe to my channel that way you'll know when I do it. I've got a couple others to do first then I'll do that one. Stay tuned
I do have 3 point in my swimming pool one of them closed with valve cap how do.I know if this is water return or suction side . Iwas about to remove it thinking somone one closed it just for better pressure
IM LOOKING TO PURCHASE A VACUUM FOR MY POOL I WANTED TO BUY THE ONE YOU HAD YESTERDAY FOR 58.99 IS THAT STILL ON SALE FOR THAT PRICE, IF SO CAN I PERCHASEBIT NOW
I have the same setup by my pump only difference is that I do not have a side port for vacuum. and the weird part is that on the lines, one says skimmer and the other say sewer.
Our waste line on our current pool goes into s stand pipe to our city sewer, that may be what you have. The previous home and pool I had, the waste water went into a hose behind the pool house and out on top of the ground.
How much suction force is needed in HP to use a Zodiac T5? I have an above ground intex 16x32x52 with an intex sand filter pump wich is rated at 0.6 HP, Zodiac claims that their vacuum can move with as little as 0.5 HP but I do not think that is true
HI, I'm having a problem with my skimmer suction, too much water, and the drain doesn't suction water. I don't have those valves. When we put any kind of hose to vacuum manually or automatically, the hose suctions together because its so strong. How do I open the suction for the drain if I don't have any of those valves? What is the part that I am to put inside the skimmer to prevent so much water flowing from the skimmer. I want to switch it to the drain, I can't find that part or know what it is called. Help please
sounds like you need a skimmer diverter. I did a video on them, and even though I don't like them it sounds like your pool does in fact need one. Here's a link to that video (you can order the diverters online): ruclips.net/video/-TUs90A5uVo/видео.html
@@PoolSchooler My pool only has one hole in the skimmer, and this gadget here is what is stuck in there, it won't turn anymore, we tried taking it out or turning it to get the drain to suction and it won't work. i2.wp.com/bestpoolshop.com/wp-content/uploads/val-pak-anthony-pool-skimmer-old-style-diverter-valve-5227-v34-124.jpg?fit=451%2C451&ssl=1 We can't put that one you have, because that one is stuck. And we are having trouble with the hose, everytime we insert it the gauge goes down and the motor is forced and makes noises, or the hose gets crimped.
I have jandy valve set up just like that..but no vacuum dedicated pipe.. so what is the other pipe for,?..1 is for skinner and the 2nd one is for what?..
It may go directly to your main drain (or if you have an attached spa it could be that. Without actually seeing your pool system I can't be positive. But my guess is it's to the floor drain. Unless you have a pop up in floor cleaning system then it could also be for the leaf vac. Please check out my website poolschooler.com for great DIY stuff.
Wow I didn't t expect that fast a response..thank u soon much...my skimmer is clogged I guess I tried hose bladder. It kept shooting white stuff but dint clear clog ..pool filled up to top di.t finish clearing white stuff looks like filter powder..any advise?
@@estiben3508 you may want to try compressed air to “blow” out the line. OR it could be that the obstruction is at the jandy valve at your pump. Try opening uo that valve you may find your clog
I need help! So I recently opened up the valve for dedicated suction line but to my surprise it was doing the opposite, it was acting like a return line jet. You have any idea on how this is happening?
I don't. Perhaps you can email me some photos of your system and point out the valve you're talking about. Then I'd probably be able to comment more accurately. My email kennypoolschool@gmail.com
@@anubisoftllc Agreed that's why I'd like to see the plumbing set up to determine if the pipe he's talking about is on the suction or return side of his equipment.
Kenny D!ck probably could have a suction/return line, that it gets changed with the valves (to reverse the water flow). Example, this it was very common in the 80s with the bottom drain that it could be changed to a return line for water heating efficiency, the only problem is that all the piping is underground. Hope this could help a little. 🤞🏻
The other hole is not worthless. There is a float valve that is supposed go on the bottom of the skimmer. The will save you money if your water level happens to drop below t he skimmer. It will sux water from the bottom of the pool and into the pump. This way you won't burn up your pipes and pump.
You are correct Monique. However it's been my experience that it works great in theory, but personal experience has shown that this "diverter" doesn't always work as designed. But I do appreciate the information.
@@PoolSchooler Usually poor maintenence, such as letting the O ring go missing, having it put back incorrectly, etc. I have had it save me several times, until I put a automatic fill system in. My brother owns A pool where they cemented closed the bottom drain and dumped the float. He has gone through 3 main pumps now because they go on vacation, the water level drops below the skimmer, and then there is no water to feed the pump.
How do I troubleshoot low suction? My zodiac mx8 is not climbing up the walls as it should be. Suction is at 10turns = 32/33seconds It is stay in the pool but is connected to the skimmer line
Hi Gio. So, I'm not a fan of the mx8. In my opinion (based on experience with several clients who had that model), it's way over engineered (meaning it's great out of the box, but shortly after that -maybe a year or two) the thing starts breaking down and never works as well again. I've had no less than 5 clients get one (against my recommendations) and all 5 have disliked it greatly for the reason I stated. As far as the vac not climbing the walls like it used to, first eliminate the possibility that it could be the suction. Do this by increasing the suction to the vacuum and feel the suction on the vac hose. If it feels substantial then you have enough suction and the problem lies in your vacuum (more on that later). If you find you have "little" suction then try increasing it via that valve. If it's all the way opened and you still don't feel a lot of suction to the vacuum hose then something is restricting the suction: Make sure your vacuum hoses are not cracked or broken. Make sure your pump basket is empty. Then Try clearing the impeller (video link here: ruclips.net/video/1xuGFGDJBmA/видео.html) You may also need to clean your filter. If you still have little suction then it's possible your skimmer line is blocked and you may need a professional to come out and blow out your line. If you DO HAVE ADEQUATE SUCTION then the problem lies in your vacuum. Personally if it's over 3 years old I'd get rid of that model and get a Barracuda G3. In my opinion and experience it's by far the best pool vac. And it's cheaper than most. If you want to try to repair it I'd take it to a licensed Zodiac repair pool store. Hope this helps.
@@PoolSchooler suppose I should have mentioned the mx8 is brand new out the box.. I had a Tucson prior to this model and it stopped climbing the walls, started going slow etc. Took it to my local pool store and that was worse as it no longer travelled at all. I bought the mx8 because it has the scrubbing feature which I thought was cool, but since I installed it to my skimmer at the highest setting it's giving me 10rotations in about 30seconds. Another video suggested I alternate closing my jandy valve to clear the lines.. this gave me about 3-5 more seconds in terms of rotations but Im still on the highest mx8 setting and not quite there yet. I tried to push the fish tape through the skimmer but it wouldn't go down more than 1foot.
@@giobucks6498 Honestly this is why I don't like that vacuum. Too much to deal with. The G3 is a plug and go. BUT how much suction are you getting from your skimmer? It is a lot? If so the problem is either the vacuum or the vacuum hoses.
I had a client who had the exact same problem with a brand new one. First they sent him a new one to replace the new one that quit working. Then that one failed and finally they refunded his money to him. He bought a G3 and has not had one problem with it in over 2 years.
Im not sure about that one. Typically about 2/3 to 3/4 of the suction goes to the vacuum and the other keeps the skimmer suction going as well. So I'm not sure why they did that.
3:30 shows the the pump suction and main drain. The diverter tab is missing (a sliding piece to adjust water flow to the main drain), and the float valve assembly (looks like a UFO). The float valve assembly serves 2 purposes, It allows adjustment of skimmer to main drain flow ratio. The float is designed to seal off the skimmer side if the basket gets clogged or pool water falls below the skimmer feed so that the pump would only draw from the main drains and no starve the pump. This pool has no water flow from the main drain. Petty cheap fix. The UFO is about $40.00 and the little plastic sliding piece is a few dollars.
Excellent! We were wondering why the sweep/vac had no suction...we had the valve positioned at 7 not 4...Now corrected, (thanks to you) and everything is working fine. My GF thinks I'm a genius. I told her we are a team and there is no 'I' in "genius!' :)
@@CLH126 congratulations and thanks for commenting. So glad it worked out. Hope you both will subscribe to my channel and share it with others.
I never understood my pool guy, he had a very thick accent. But for over a decade, my pool was fine in his hands. He recently had to leave us, and now I actually have to learn. My pool guy tried before, but I could never understand him. Granted, I'm more zeroed in now and actually taking the time to study the jandy valve, directions of my pipes, etc. But the clarity in explanation of this video was the confirmation I needed. Thank you!
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This video was a life saver. I thought my cleaner was broken, but I did the 2/3 suction thing you said and it's running like a champ now. Thank you soooo much. Never delete your channel. Your videos are helping more people than you know.
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Dude I’ve watched hella videos about pools because just moved into a house with one and this guy is the most helpful one out of all and he makes it more easy to understand
Getrect Hdhf thanks for the kind words.
Getrect Hdhf , I agree !! just did the same as you, house with pool, and just found this video. Kenny explains everything very clearly !
Viking Son thanks so much for your kind comment. Glad the videos help.
I agree. This man is the best pool expert/teacher.
Wow! This is EXACTLY how my setup looks. Only difference, one pipe goes to the pool and the other goes to the connected spa. I also use the same pool sweep with the same dedicated connection.
Definitely grateful! This is the one video I watched that clearly laid out how to navigate the Jandy Valve and the skimmer/vacuum lines.
So glad it was helpful. Please share
Finally someone who provides helpful imformation
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Trouble shooting checklist was extremely helpful, saved me time & money!
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Thanks Kenny , Im a new pool owner and the video is educational and clear!
So glad to hear that. Hope you'll subscribe to and share my channel and please check out my website poolschooler.com for more money saving tools, tips, checklists and links for the DIY Pool Owner.
just started witha pool company in june and i watch multiple videos of yours when on my lil walks on the weekends for Great Tips. making sure to like and comment . thanks so much for your wealth of knowledge
Glad they are helpful and thank you for the kind comments.
@@PoolSchooler extreamly helpful . im enjoying this new avanue for me (pools) was in hottubs for years and really like learning all the ins and outs to make my routes that much more efficient and turn yucks to WOWS! . learned today from your videos about Cynaruic acid (was unfamilier on good levels) and TDS . i'm going to go through Backlog style and make sure a get a view on each to get it all in my noggin
You're the best. Thank you for this video. It helped me immensely.
So glad it was helpful.
Thank you for the great information...I too recently bought a house with a pool and am trying to learn about the maintenance...
Hope you'll subscribe to my channel then, there's a lot of video that will help with your specific pool needs. Also if you need any specific info let me know and I can more than likely send you a link to that particular video so you don't have to scroll through all of them.
You just saved me so much trouble. Thank you!!!
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Wow!!!! I watched videos all day and. No one talked about the dedicated suction line. You made me completely understand the suction and the 2 holes in the skimmer. Where are you located... if you are in Miami, please let me know so I can hire your services. Thanks so much! Dan
I am so glad this video was helpful. Unfortunately I'm in Arizona, (a bit of a commute for me). 😉
That second line that leads to the bottom drain is a safety feature to keep someone from being sucked to the bottom drain and drowned or injured.
I was told that the second pipe will also allow water from the main drain into the skimmer if the water level of pool drops below the skimmer while pump is running to keep from losing pump pressure.
Is this the thing that pulled out people's intestines??
According to the Consumer Product Safety Commission, the pressure on some pool drains can be as strong as 300 pounds per square inch. 1 This kind of pressure can suck in hair or body parts, or trap swimmers underwater and cause them to drown, even if someone is trying to pull a victim away from the drain.Jul 19, 2007
Very helpful...just bought a zodiac G3 and didn't know about the 3/4 rule on the vacuum/skimmer valve....went full vac at first and the pump didn't like that.
I'll have to do a video on how much suction to put to your vacuum. 👍
THANK YOU!!!!! I’ve watched so many videos and yours helped the most. vacuum is working GREAT!!
I'm so glad they were helpful. Thank you for your kind comment.
Well, I now know I have a dedicated vacuum line on the side of my pool thanks to your video. And although I have the 2 main lines on the suction side of the pump with that valve, I also have 2 additional valves in the plumbing after that. It looks like the valve is set for putting 100% suction all to the skimmer, although you cannot open that cap for vacuum line when pump is on. Also, I would like to get an inexpensive creepy crawler dedicated to the vacuum line. Can I send you pics of the plumbing?
Sure. kennypoolschool@gmail.com. Also don't get a cheap creepy crawler. Spend a little more and get the Zodiac Barracuda G3. In my opinion it's the best on the market for the money and easy to maintain and repair.
Thanks, I think this video will help me figure out why my manual vacuum was not sucking very well. Changed over to a sand filter..now I know what the Jandy filter is and how to use it.
You can get an tube like attachment/adapter to put into the hole in your skimmer that allows you to plug in your pool vac hose into it for suction through the pool water side into the skimmer box and see if the vac operates better, if it does you know you don't have enough suction at the pool vac connection. Then I recomment getting a hose suction tester I mentioned above.
I just had a 16 X 32 pool built, and we finally used it last week. However, I didn't know what to do with the pool vacuum attached the underwater "vacuum port" located on the side wall of the pool. I didn't want my kids swimming with the vacuum still running, so I just pulled out the vacuum and hose directly from the vacuum port. As soon as I pulled out the hose, a "safety cap" sealed off the vacuum port. Although the vacuum port was now sealed off, I realized I hadn't turned off the valve to the vacuum port, so there still was a tremendous amount of suction force in the sealed vacuum port. My question for anyone who may know: since I didn't turn off the vacuum port valve for more than a week, could that have damaged my pump? After watching the video, I learned that if the pool vacuum is not in use, than the vacuum port suction valve should be turned off...Right? Great video! Learned quite a bit.
otimitla you are correct
Oh, also. It's possible you're equipment is still ok. Although it probably worked your pump/motor harder than it should've. Usually there is a suction adjustment where the water enters your pool pump (the suction side) that allows for adjusting the suction between the vacuum and skimmer. Usually the majority the suction needs to go to the vacuum BUT about 1/3 or so of the suction is still coming from, or going to the skimmer. So when your vacuum port cover shut and your pump ran that week during it's scheduled hours the water would still be sucked from the skimmer although it would be somewhat restricted which is why I said it may have caused your motor/pump to work harder than usual. Hope this makes sense.
@@PoolSchooler Thank you very much. Looks like everything is running well. I've only used the 400K heater once. Pool's remained warm (around 80 degrees) with the air bubble cover.
Double like for said always watch your kids when they around the pool.
Thank you very much for this video, really well explained, not many videos regarding this. thanks.
The best video by far!❤❤
Thanks so much.
Thank you for the detail tutorial video it’s really helpful I don’t have a suction at all in the skimmer basket what is the problem?
Is there a hole in the bottom of your skimmer? can you email me a pic. kennypoolschool@gmail.com
perfect !! just what I was looking for. I'm definitely going to subscribe, keep the videos coming.
V Chz will do and thanks for subscribing.
Hi. Thank you. I'm a beginner pool owner. This video is very helpful. I have a Zodiac G3 suction vacuum. It gets clog easily with big debris and cuts off the circulation. There are plenty of tall pine trees surrounding the pool, so lots of pine needles and pine cones get into the bottom of the pool. These debris ofte clog the Zodiac G3. What suction vacuum do you recommend that has its own debis collecting basket that does not impede with the suction?
Unfortunately I don't know of ANY suction side (or other type) of vacuum that can handle that type and size of debris. That's the kind of stuff you'll need to net out. There are limits to what a vacuum can handle. Sorry.
Thank you so much for this great video
Youre welcome.
Mine has a separate main drain line, I have to use the skimmer for my vacuum
Hi, at 11:24 when you blocked off the skimmer you hear and see air in the basket. Where is this air coming from? Is it some sort of cavitation? I ask because I am struggling with an air leak in my system. I have two Jandy valves with three inputs, skimmer, main drain, and a pool cleaner input. So far i have replaced the Jandy valve O-rings, and tried to search for the leak with smoke and pouring water on all potential leak points, but nothing above ground seems to be leaking. I even found a method of using PVC primer and glue while the suction is occurring, apparently if as you apply them where the leak is it will suck in primer then glue and seal the leak. There was a demonstration and lots of folks in the comment said it worked great for them as well.
So even though I could not find a leak, I applied primer and glue to every connection point but that also did not help, that probably explains why I could not detect a leak with the smoke or water method, because the leak is somewhere else?
I am thinking maybe in the pipes under ground? Unfortunately whenever I try to close off the skimmer to see if the air is coming from one particular line I get what I can only think is cavitation air so... Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Typically air gets in via the pump lid or o'ring. Check to make sure the lid is not cracked in any way (sometimes a crack is really hard to see) and make sure the lid o'ring is clean, and lubricated and not dry or cracked in any way. Also make sure the lid threads and the channel the o'ring fits into are all clean and dirt free. That could help.
Ok a question. If we have a dedicated vacuum line but skimmer is not getting enough suction to the skimmer, I should have a diverter on the pump to switch more to the skimmer right?
No, the diverter sits inside the bottom of the skimmer below the basket. It is used to divert some of the suction from the skimmer to the floor drain. There should be an adjustment valve at the low side of your pump where there are two pipes, at least coming out of the ground into a valve like a Jandy valve and then into one pipe that goes directly into the pump. That valve is where you adjust the suction between the skimmer and the vacuum.
Very helpful in learning how to operate my pool system.
I just vacuumed my pool and back washed it. Easy Peasy with Kenneth's walk through! I just saved 75.00 a week and did a much better job! Thank you so much Kenneth! You explain stuff so well, it makes it so Easy to understand. 😊💕
The permanent marker is the most sensible way to remember what’s what.
I’m old so I forget why I walked into garage sometimes.
I'm with ya there. 😂
Thanks for the information as I wonder about the balance, right now I have in the middle as we are opening the pool. I think last year we had too much skimmer suction while I was vacuuming the bottom and reason some times it would be too hard to move or get stuck! We do have the Polaris but I vacuum to get the leaves out. I watch again before we stick Polaris in for a normal operation.
Usually the balance is about 2/3's to the vacuum and 1/3 to the skimmer give or take. As long as the vac moves well BUT doesn't come out of the water.
buy a leave catcher to attach to the vac hose, great little device you can open, clean and close back in business.
also need to know if we put it on suction or skimmer when we backwash?
You don’t have to. When I was first taught how to service Pools the guy who taught me wanted me to put the suction 100% to the skimmer but sometimes the pool water level wasn’t high enough to begin with it would end up sucking air because the water level would drop below the skimmer opening. Typically I leave it where it is for the typical vacuum to run and that is sufficient. If you have a diatomaceous earth filter and you want greater pressure flowing through the filter when you’re back washing you can dedicate more suction to the skimmer just make sure you have enough water in the pool.
very informative and helpful! Thanks.
Glad to hear it. Thanks for the comment.
Thanks brother, your a badass
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I have heard "pool guys" describe bringing water up from the central drain as difficult. It is not difficult as a drain under 8' of water actually has the weight of 8' of water pushing it upward. I don't wanna be mean just because my pool builder put a fish eye where my dedicated vacuum was supposed to be. But still, a column of water is a column of water!
Hey man, good video! - QQ, do you recommend killing the pop-up system altogether and just doing a vacuum line?
If you can disable the pop up system altogether WITHOUT restricting the return flow to the pool then I'd do it. Here's a video I did on that subject: ruclips.net/video/8VyX9HAb3Fg/видео.html
@@PoolSchooler I'm in the process of re-surfacing my pool, and the pool builder is suggesting I kill them and do a vacuum line return, but I don't have another return besides the pop-ups. I did watch that video, your videos are very helpful!
@@blaneahm9891 Did he suggest a return side vacuum? If so I'm not a fan. If it's on the suction side then I'd recommend it. Return side "vacuums" don't work very well as they blow water rather than suck up debris.
@@PoolSchooler No, just a dedicated suction line for the 4-wheel pool cleaner. However, if I do that, would that be Ok without any other returns since I will be killing the pop-up system?
@@blaneahm9891 I would be concerned about killing the pop-ups because you’ve got to have some return flow back to your pool. Or the pressure is going to build up and it could damage or blow up your filter. I believe you said you have a water feature, and that might help alleviate some of the pressure, but what I might suggest is pause your pop-ups permanently when they pop up on your steps so that way you get return flow back to your pool. And, I would not recommend a four wheel pool cleaner. I would go with the zodiac barracuda G3. Less things go wrong with that and it’s the most reliable and my favorite vacuum out of all.
Thanks for your help looking forward to your video
can you do a video on how to backwash with this type of pool because this is the one we have? we also have a nobe that says aerator and return and we don't know if we are supposed to turn those
Your return valves aren't in play when you backwash since the returning water is flowing out the backwash hose or pipe. Watch my video on Aerators. Here's a link, I think it'll help with your second part of the question: ruclips.net/video/UbAeU_-F62A/видео.html
thank you for this video. can you have pop ups and side suction in a pool at the same time?, i have the pops up, i want to see if i also have a side suction for my vacuum, im tired of manually doing this. i rather plug it in and see it go , thank you
It is possible, however many times there is a side suction port BUT it's for the leaf catcher that works in conjunction with the pop up system and plugging a vacuum into that doesn't work very well. So unless I could see how your system is set up it'd be hard to comment on it. You could convert your pop up system to a stay in the pool suction side vacuum. Here's a video on how to do it BUT I'd suggest the Barracuda G3 Vacuum. ruclips.net/video/gSfbNv4sV_M/видео.html
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hey great vid and just subscribed. question on the suction pipe. My pool does not have the vacuum line, only skimmer and the main floor drain. In my case, where should i place the valve at? I mean a little bit more suction give for skimmer or little more for floor drain? Or just right in the center 50-50?
You may want to double check that. If you have a stay in the pool suction side vacuum, then the valve will adjust the suction between the skimmer (which will share suction with the floor drain - if you have two holes in the bottom of the skimmer sump that's the case) and you should adjust about 2/3 of the suction to the skimmer for the vacuum to work well. If you do actually have only one skimmer hole and a floor drain then I'd adjust it as needed. Sometimes you need more to the skimmer to get it to effectively "skim" the surface "floaters". Or put more to the floor drain if and when you brush the pool down (and brush towards the floor drain) so it can suck out the dirt you brush.
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THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU I finally understand! You've saved me from pulling my hair out. LOL
Annette Allen I’m so glad it was helpful.
I have a dedicated line for my pool vacuum. However, the skimmer line is shared with what I believe the bottom pool intake or drain, which makes me nervous, because I don't want to open it so the inlet or bottom drain starts draining the pool - so water gets under and lifts my pool.
@@RavensRule09 it is very typical for the skimmer to share suction with the floor drain. As long as you’re not backwashing your pool, any of the water is fucked the skimmer or the floor drain should go through the filter and then go back to the pool so it should be fine.
Is it bad to keep the valve on 2/3 side vacuum line even when vacuum is not in the pool? It has a cover on it. Will the suction mess up the filter? Thanks!
Why take the vacuum out even with the cover on? It'll still work with a cover on. But if you do take it out you should probably open the skimmer suction to 2/3 to reduce wear and tear on the pump.
Hello I just subscribed to your channel very good information. I have a question so my I’m remodeling my pool and equipment. Is it better to plumb the skimmer and main drain separate. What’s the down side in having the main drain tied into the skimmer ? Also I’ve noticed that all my plumbing is done in 2inch pipe except my side vacuum line is in 1.5 inch pipe is that incorrect?
Not sure about the size of the piping. That may be a local code thing. BUT I don't believe it's allowed by building codes (and OSHA) to have a dedicated line to the floor drain for safety reasons. (ie: a child gets themselves stuck on the floor drain when it's running). But I'd check with your building codes out there for that info
Hey ... thanks so much for making these videos! I’m having trouble with suction to my vacuum. It takes foreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeever to vacuum my pool. This is my first year D.I.M. and I’m definitely feeling like a broken lightbulb ... I only have one line going into my pump. I don’t have any drains in my pool and I have two skimmers. Do I need to block one of them? If so, how? I don’t know if it’s relevant but I have a Hayward de filter that has one of those cranks that you turn to “filter, waste, close, backwash, circulate, rinse” that’s the only valve I can adjust
Yes you certainly should block one of the skimmers to vacuum your pool (the old fashioned way). That's probably why it takes so long to vacuum. Watch my video on vacuuming your pool the old fashioned way. Here's a link: ruclips.net/video/x9WaMUzSO-8/видео.html. I used to use a tennis ball to plug the other skimmer.
Great video.
Thanks!
Great video very helpful.
Alex Sermeno I’m glad it was helpful.
Hey awesome helpful video. So from what I understand it is normal that the drain at the bottom of an inground pool doesn’t have any suction? Just purchased a house with an old cement inground pool. Since opening the pool the water is now murky and we are finding the bottom is covered in sand. I was thinking it’s because of the bottom drain. Now I’m thinking maybe it’s coming from my sand filter?
Thanks for your comment. I'll try to answer your questions. #1. The floor drain does get suction if you use a diverter in the skimmer. Heres a video on that: ruclips.net/video/-TUs90A5uVo/видео.html.
So the sand in the pool and the murkey water leads me to believe that your sand filter manifolds (inside the filter) are broken and need repairing. While youre having that done you should just go ahead and replace the sand so you have fresh new sand in there and it will help filter better.
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The pump starts making that noise because the water is starting to cavatate. You should never ever ever leave your. Pump running like that. The cavatation in a pump can destroy the internals. It starts doing this because the pump is already pulling as much possible water as it can through that line.
Dominick Caputo agreed. Several of the guys who trained me taught me to take it to where the cavitation started then back it off 2 clicks. It’s proved very helpful.
Im a new pool owner. I have 2 skimmers and I can’t get my vacuum to work for crap. Can I shut off one skimmer in order to get better suction?
You absolutely can, providing that you have two separate pipes on the suction side, going to each individual skimmer that you can adjust the valve. If not, and they share a single suction pipe, which so many multiple skimmer pools, do you might have to plug one of the Skimmer suction holes to get enough section. That is, if you don’t have the ability to adjust it at the pump
Hi, this is a very helpful video! One small question. Shouldn't there be a suction pipe for the main drain? this video shows only suction pipe for skimmers and vac. Do we not need dedicated suction pipe for main drains from the pool?
Typically (at least in my experience in Arizona) there is no specific floor drain suction pipe for solely the floor drain. My understanding is that OSHA made that against code to prevent little ones from getting stuck to a floor drain. So now the floor drain and the skimmer share the same suction pipe. If you look inside the skimmer sump/well you should see two holes in the bottom. One is the suction directly to the pump and the other goes to the floor drain. With the use of a "diverter" you can bleed some of the suction from the skimmer to the floor drain.
@@PoolSchooler Thanks! I see the 2 holes in the skimmer section. And if I feel one of them, I can see the water going into it. However, the other hole seems to be passive. If it's job is to suck water out of main drain and feed into the skimmer hole, then shouldn't I be seeing water coming into the skimmer section from the other hole? I have 2 skimmers and I see 2 main drains at the deep end of the pool. I also see a lot of pipes connected to the pump, perhaps because I have a spa as well. Is it ok if I send you the pics of the pump area to your email address mentioned at the end of the video? I am really confused about which pipe is what and what should be position of various valves. My pool builder who just built it never showed up to explain after taking final payment :(
@@TheCreativeComposer The one you feel water going into is the one that goes directly to the pump. You won't see water being sucked from the other hole because that hole is passive unless you use a diverter which "diverts" some of the suction from the other hole to the floor drain. Each skimmer you have has a pipe to one or the other floor drains and you'll need to use a diverter in each to have them actually work.
Would you not use a skimmer plate for the vacuum, to catch larger debris. We just bought a house with a pool and trying to gather all the info I can.
The skimmer adapter I use or recommend for a pool that does't have a dedicated vacuum line is a VacMate by Pentair. That way you can install a stay in the pool suction vacuum to your system without sacrificing the skimmer function also.
Is there different sizes for hoses? I have a dedicated line on the wall of my pool but the hose i just bought doesn’t fit
typically no.
***HELP PLEASE ***Hey brother, appreciate your time sharing your knowledge. I have a smaller fiberglass pool, (700-8000gal) with a main drain, skimmer, and vac port. It has a large sand filter and Hayward 1 hp pump. Purchased a Polaris Atlas, and in trying to run it, I have main drain closed, vac port open, and skimmer about 1/2 open. The cleaner just sits on bottom, and as I cut skimmer line down, it starts to move. Problem is, I have to turn skimmer all the way off for the cleaner to work properly. In turn, that decreases the amount of water in my pump intake, barely being able to see any water flow at all. I have a separate 1/2 hp pool pump, and wonder if I could install it on the pool side of my vac port, and will that increase The flow enough for the atlas to work properly, still having enough flow into my main 1 hp pump so as not to burn it up? Your thoughts???
Typically, with a one horsepower motor, you might have to put 2/3 to 3/4 of the suction completely to the vacuum in order to get it to move around. That’s not uncommon. But you shouldn’t have to completely shut off the skimmer, but there’s no need to use the floor drain if you have a vacuum.
@10:10 min, what's that white thing sticking out from the wall? And, what can it be used for? Also, if I'm swimming, do I have to keep the vacuum inside the pool as well?
That is an aerator nipple. Here's a video on Aerators: ruclips.net/video/UbAeU_-F62A/видео.htmlsi=2tp5-9QbQiVXXl2Z
Regarding your pool vac. You can absolutely take it out of the pool when you're swimming BUT DON'T REMOVE IT WITH THE PUMP MOTOR RUNNING (unless you know how to adjust the suction valves so it doesn't suck from the vacuum line) and if you do know how to adjust the suction MAKE SURE YOU PUT THE VACUUM BACK AND RESET THE VALVES WHEN YOU'R DONE SWIMMING BEFORE THE PUMP MOTOR TURNS BACK ON.
@@PoolSchooler thanks
Any advise, my skimmer is sucking the vacuum hose that blocks the water entrance and sucking air instead water , any recommendation ? Thank You !!!
Some options: 1. Reduce the suction on your skimmer so more goes to the pool vac (but not so much that it comes out of your pool. 2. Raise or lower the water level of your pool a little. Sometimes that makes the difference. 3. Attach a hose weight to the section of the hose that typically get's "sucked into" the skimmer. 4. If you have any type of water feature make sure it's not creating a current that could push the hose the direction of the skimmer.
Typically the first two options can take care of the problem.
I have a side port by my skimmer that has never, to my knowledge, been opened. There is a screw in cap on the pipe. Is this a dedicated vac port or just something that could have been used as one? I have a single main pipe going to the pump from the pool and a Pentair U3 skimmer. Should I remove the cap to see if this is a dedicated vac port or leave it alone. The concrete pool was installed in 1989. Thanks! I need to find you pool cleaner vid now so talk to you later.
Dave Leary I’ve only come across one or two pools that have a similar configuration that is a screw in A slash plug in one of the holes in the skimmer sub. On both of those pools it turned out that the hole that was capped actually went to the floor drain and for whatever reason they chose to It off. Sorry I don’t know more than that.
@@PoolSchooler Thanks. I was partly afraid of that, if it is the case. I guess the thing to do is to open it and find out. Appreciate the info!
@@daveleary5830 I also have a screw in plug to a port in my pool but it's on other side of pool directly across from skimmer. And mine is a dedicated vac port
I'm in the process of installing my own fiberglass pool. After watching video I think I'm going to run main drain line straight to pump and not skimmer. With that said would you recommend adding a vacuum port to side of pool or just run the 2nd skimmer line to pump and just use that as vacuum port?
A few things. 1. Make sure you have a way to adjust the suction. between any and all the suction lines, especially the main floor drain so it doesn't get so much suction as to pose a hazard to small hands ect getting sucked into it. 2. I think the idea of having a dedicated line to a suction side vac like the Barracuda G3 (my favorite) is always a good idea. BUT 3. I'd try to find a way to also have a skimmer suction so you could adjust the flow for the vac. You really don't need the main drain suction except for draining the pool. The rest of the time you should split the suction between the skimmer (30% and the vacuum 70% approximately).
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So the hose that connects to the side of the port isn’t the same size as the one in the skimmer I’m trying to vacuum to waste would I need a new hose to attach it too then another pump to vacuum I got the hose with the pump always in the pool
You should be able to use either the side port (and use the hose that goes to your stay in the pool vacuum on your vacuum head OR you can manually vacuum using the skimmer port but would need a vacuum hose which is a bit larger in diameter. This video may help: ruclips.net/video/x9WaMUzSO-8/видео.html
My set up is identical to this except I don't have a dedicated vacuum line ... which way should the Jandy valve face during normal operation? ...
It depends on which pipe(s) you want the suction going to. If you have two pipes coming into the suction side usually I'd split it between the two. BUT it really depends on how much suction you want/need to each specific line. If you can tell me the source of the two suction lines going into your pump at the Jandy valve I can helps you better.
@@PoolSchooler so If the jandy valve is pointed towards the pump... does this mean I'm getting suction to the drain at the bottom and the skimmer? ... thank you sir 🙏🏽
@@jacobalfaro8982 Typically the valve handle should have (opposite of the part you grab) a rounded end that says "off". If that's pointed at your pump then you have all the suction completely off. Watch the video again but skip ahead to 4:50 in the video and it'll explain what I'm talking about. And answer your question.
Can I cap the worthless hole at the main pump? I have a leak coming from that line to the skimmer and would hate to empty my vinyl liner and replace that line. I have never used a diverted at the skimmer anyway
Can you email me a picture of what you're talking about so I can be sure I advise accurately. kennypoolschool@gmail.com
I have a unique question. I have this same set up; main drain/skimmer and a dedicated vacuum. I do not have a waste setting.
To simulate a waste setting, could I close the skimmer manually to allow the suction to pull from the main drain, then backwash while pulling from the main drain/ vacuuming?
It's just a thought
There used to be available a vacuum to backwash piston that you could put in your existing backwash valve that would allow you to vacuum the pool directly to backwash so that way it wouldn’t go into the filter. I do not know if those still exist you may want to look online for something like that.
@@PoolSchooler would this act like a waste setting though? Or does it still pass through. I was just curious
@@listen4159 Typically it bypasses the filter medium and goes directly to waste. But Im not sure you can find them anymore.
what if you have it set the way you had it 2/3rds the way to the vacuum and the suction at the skimmer is not the same as in this video meaning lower what could be the issue if everything is clean?
The point of that is to have enough suction so that the vacuum cleaner will actually do its job. So I believe I say you have to play with it a bit if that’s typically where it sits for the suction on the vacuum to be sufficient enough for it to work as well as have the skimmer. But it really depends on each person‘s pool and how it’s set up. If you find that you need to dedicate a little more suction to the skimmer and the vacuum still runs then do so.
I have a spa, so I have 2 valves: (1) feed to pump (from pool or spa), and (2) Return after pump (to pool or spa), my skimmer is not skimming. It seems in the skimmer, one pipe is feeding the vacuum pipe, so the flow of the water does not come from the surface of the pool, not sure why, any idea? thanks
I'd have to see a pic of your pool plumbing layout to be able to accurately comment and help. email a pic or two to kennypoolschool@gmail.com
What is the white plug over the pool vacuumm hose by the in pool connector ?
Thats a cover for the vacuum port. It's necessary for safety reasons. If, say, someone disconnected the vacuum line and the pump came on or was already on, the suction could be dangerous too someone like a child getting their hand or other body part stuck in it due to the suction.
Hello….upon your advice I purchased a Zodiac G3
and for the first 2 days it ran great. My problem is that when the system starts up it makes a beeline towards the suction port faster than a black Lab after a milk bone….once it gets there it wraps itself up in a knot that even Houdini could not escape from!!! I have tried everything that I can find online but nothing seems to work….HELP!!!
It sounds like you have far too much suction to your dedicated vacuum line. Try adjusting the suction between the skimmer and the vacuum line to where less suction is going to the vacuum line that should help.
Thanks for the video! Even with 100% of suction diverted to the skimmer, there is hardly any suction felt in the skimmer pipe, and the whirlpool in the skimmer well is very dainty. There is hardly any noticeable movement of surface water into the skimmer port, and the surface of the pool stays filmy after 3 hours of pump running. How do I fix/troubleshoot this? The cleaner moves around nicely at 2/3 of the power diverted to it. But the skimmer does not seem to do anything no matter how I turn the valve. Thanks!
You may have a clogged impeller or something is causing either a restriction in the suction or it's something in the impeller. Try cleaning the impeller here's a video on that: ruclips.net/video/1xuGFGDJBmA/видео.html. Also check the return side of your equipment. Is there ample flow back to your pool. Also check your filter pressure. Is it high? If so something may be restricting your return flow or you may even need to clean your filter.
Pool School thank you! Going to watch and also learn what an impeller is. I want to mention that there is plenty of suction in the skimmer pipe when I feel it out with my fingers. Like if I would clamp my hand over it, it feels like it will hurt. But all this suction is not transferring to the surface. There is a tiny wimpy whirlpool that just moves leaves on the surface and is not pulling them down into the basket. And the surface debris in the pool outside the skimmer port is in no hurry to move into the port. Just bobs about. Thanks!
Pool School pressure is 35 psi. The filter got cleaned and blades replaced two weeks ago. Not sure how to check the return side. My pool guy, with whom we parted ways yesterday, spent three weeks trying to address the problem of the water draining from spa into the pool overtime when pump is not on. I feel somewhere during this process the skimmer stopped working. I have four valves and only understand one of them. Two of them are closed off and don’t budge easily. I don’t want to break them.
Pool School the impeller was not clogged, and I sort of knew it would not be because there is a powerful flow of water from the intake into the pump. I just can’t get it to translate into a clean pool :)
atolk So, 35 psi is pretty high. My guess is that one or more of your return valves is partially shut and that’s causing your pressure issue and your lack of circulation. If you could take pictures of your system and your plumbing and the pipes around your filter with all the valves and email them to me and I can better assess what’s happening. With regards to your spa draining overtime with the equipment off. That’s usually a case of a thing called a check valve not shutting. A check valve is a one-way valve that usually is on the return side of your equipment and it allows water to flow from the filter back into the spa but when the equipment shuts off that valve shut because it’s spring loaded and prevents water from flowing back out of the spa. Basically if there wasn’t a check valve the water would reverse directions and flow back out of the spa. So again, I’m pretty sure that the reason your spa dreams is because there’s something wrong with your check valve on the return side of the spa. As far as the pressure like I said, if you’ll send me pictures via email of your pool equipment I can better assess what’s going on. My email is Kennypoolschool@gmail.com
What about pressure adjustment with additional valves for waterfall and on roof solar?
It depends on how much water you want to flow to either of those. It also depends on if you have only one pump/motor for the entire pool or some pools have an additional pump/motor for things like waterfalls and even solar heating. Again, it depends on what you're doing. If you want heating with your solar you'll want a large amount of your return water to run thru the solar, if you want more water to your waterfall then more should be directed to that.
What if you only have a skimmer and not a dedicated vacuum whole? How would I hook up a vacuum then?
I did a video on this. Check it out: ruclips.net/video/eagXAKxN8zM/видео.html
What is the function of a heater on a pool?
@@abubakarikani8007 typically it’s used to keep the water at a certain temperature that’s warmer than the outside temperature. Or if you have a spa/Jacuzzi and allows you to heat the water in that so it’s therapeutic.
First time I vacuumed my pool, I did it like you showed, attaching the hose directly to the skimmer port. This is a mistake because it sucks all the crap you are cleaning up right into the pump basket. The proper way is to use the adapter that goes over the skimmer basket thereby collecting a lot of the debris rather than sucking it through the lines.
You can do it either way. I've never had to use an adapter but if you have a lot of debris in the pool you may want to consider using a leaf vacuum(or bagger) that attaches to a garden hose and uses water pressure to create a vortex to suck the leaves etc into a mesh net attached to that type of vacuum.
My system doesn't have a handle like in your vid. I have three pipes with individual open/close on each one. Do you have a vid that explains them?
I'd have to see pictures of what you're talking about. Could you email some to me so I can see exactly what you're talking about? kennypoolschool@gmail.com
Question. I thought we had to turn the pump off before moving that black control valve?
Not at all. If the valve seems tight you might have the valve nut screwed down too tight. Try loosening it a bit and the valve should move easily with or without the pump running.
@@PoolSchooler I saw another video today where he said u had to off it, but that was not a Jany but the bigger ones with the backwash option.
@@JuanSanchez-tk4vr It may be true with other valves, but with the Jandy valve you shouldn’t have to turn off the pump to adjust it.
I have what looks like a dedicated pool vac hookup 1/2 foot below the skimmer line and 8 feet from the skimmer; however, adjusting the suction side valve next to the pump seems to only effect the skimmer and bottom drain; I don't feel any suction around the dedicated pool vac hookup no matter what position the valve is placed. Could the second hole in the bottom of the skimmer lead to the vac port instead, and possibly be an equalizer line, and how would I safely test this without potentially hurting the pump? If it is an equalizer type line from the skimmer, can such a line be safely used as a vac line?
Can you email me a pic of it
The hole 6" below the skimmer opening is typically a "quick skim" feature: (link to video that: ruclips.net/video/POEGXbJtOJY/видео.html)
That works on the return side of your system please watch the above video (link).
Typically the second hole in the skimmer goes to the floor drain and the suction to that is controlled by a diverter (video on that: ruclips.net/video/-TUs90A5uVo/видео.html
Is your pool equipped with a pop up in floor cleaning system. That hole 8' from the skimmer (on the side of the pool wall) could be a leaf catcher if you have a pop up system. I'd have to see a video of your pool to really be able to accurately advise.
Thank you Kenny ..
So i have sand filter and non-jandy (screw in valves) and can't seem to get water into my replaced pump, not sure why. Just replaced a pump, but pool sat for almost a week without a pump... any ideas? Pump just can't pull water, even with vacuum line all the way off.
I did a video on prime in your pump that I would highly recommend watching. And don’t just skim through it the first part of the video I talk about the pump second part I talk about troubleshooting why it might not prime and then third part I go into detail about priming your pump when it’s sat empty for a long time. So please watch that video I think it will answer your questions. Here’s a link ruclips.net/video/wD_7YjxITX8/видео.html
Does the floor drain share the skimmer side or the vac port side? When I empty the pool (mostly) so I can acid wash and clean should I block the skimmer hole so it’s not sucking air?
It shares the skimmer side. You can’t block the skimmer port/hole cause it’s where the suction actually pulls from. The. There’s a diverter that fits into the bottom of the skimmer that has the ability to divert the suction to the floor drain. BUT most pool guys out in my area use a separate submerseable pump to drain a pool. They tell me the floor drain diverter port way doesn’t work well some say it doesn’t work at all.
I only have a skimmer with 2 holes and I don't get enough suction to vacuum dirt on bottom what can I do
Id need a bit more information to make an accurate suggestion. Or even some pictures of your system.
But if you also have a main drain line coming to the pump, should it be all the way off like the skimmer, or partially open?
It really depends on the system. That's why they have adjustments. Also do you have a suction side vacuum line as well. If so you'd adjust the three so that the vacuum would function well while still allowing the skimmer adequate suction to do it's job. But typically if there is a floor drain suction adjustment your pool's cleaning system is a popup system in that case you want to find the best adjustment between the floor/main drain and the skimmer to allow for optimal cleaning. Typically (BUT NOT ALWAYS) it means a bit more suction to the floor/main drain, but you have to try different combinations to get the ideal setting for your pool.
I added another comment, PLEASE SEE THAT COMMENT. IM DESPERATE, and have about lost my mind!
@@ForTheAverageAmerican I saw your other comments, and I responded to it. Hopefully, it helps.
PS, my pool does not have a pop up, it is a designated suction line, and I have 3 valves going into my pump. Main drain, skimmer, and vacuum. If I turn main drain off, and have skimmer about 25-30% open, the Atlas barely moves. If I close skimmer down more, the Atlas works great, but there hardly any water flow to pump at all. I SAN barely see it through top of pump housing, and motor starts sounding like it’s not getting enough water.
@@ForTheAverageAmerican typically if you have a lot of air in your pump, then there’s some type of leak possibly check your O-ring for the pump lid and make sure that the lid seals well with the O-ring and the pump housing. Just a thought make sure that your water level is high enough so that it’s covering half to 2/3 of the skimmer opening.
diverter.... that hole is worthless.
No, I agree that the bottom drain does not do that much (I use a pressure side cleaner, myself), but the "diverter" (actually called a float assembly):
www.amazon.com/Pentair-08650-0079-Assembly-Replacement-Sta-Rite/dp/B004VU8TL2?ref_=fsclp_pl_dp_15
is NOT worthless. I have seen them REMOVED, and I have seen the line to pool bottom plugged with concrete. That's NOT all it is good for. The float assembly (A proper one) has a float in it that closes off the flow to the skimmer if the skimmer runs dry. It will then take ALL of its water from the bottom. Why would the skimmer run dry? Several reasons. First, if the pool is not kept full and the water level falls below the skimmer port. Second, the door or weir that keeps the leaves from flowing back into the pool and also keeps the velocity of the water flowing into the skimmer high, can JAM on debris and actually block the flow to the skimmer enough that the pump will empty the skimmer.
The float assembly is an important backup system that keeps your main pump from burning out when you go on vacation. DON'T REMOVE IT.
Does this type of system drain the pool water itself? Or do you have to find a manual way to drain the water? If anyone could answer this it would be extremely helpful and max appreciated!
Typically I'm not a fan of using this type of system to drain the pool water entirely. I'd suggest a submersible hi volume pump. I did a video on this subject which you can check out at: ruclips.net/video/HFKoombKtPg/видео.html and then also watch this one on how to drain your pool: ruclips.net/video/2D_kk4ZLl00/видео.html
Hopefully those two videos will help,
No matter what I do I can’t get my vacuum to the recommended 11-14 wheel rpm. I have a dedicated vac line. With my pump on high vac line and skimmer full open I get 8 wheel rpm. When I start closing off the skimmer to increase the vac suction I immediately start getting cavitation. I increased the pump RPM when on high to 3250 and it get 9.5-10 wheel rpm but still can’t get the 11. It’s a brand new pool and vacuum. It’s the poolvernugan the pool cleaner. When I close the skimmer even 10% starts cavitating
Sounds like you have a blockage in your vacuum line. Since it's a new build it may be come of the plaster or other debris has lodged in the line. Try either blowing it out or snaking the line out. I had a client who had this issue after having his pool resurfaced. There could also be a blockage at the valve that controls the suction between the vac and skimmer.
I only have 1 inlet in bottom of skimmer and only 1 line into pump. Where is the line for my main drain?
You actually may not have one.
HI! I still don't understand the purpose of the second opening in the bottom of my skimmer. I have it but it's closed...
I'm going to do a. video on skimmer "diverters" soon. Subscribe to my channel that way you'll know when I do it. I've got a couple others to do first then I'll do that one. Stay tuned
I do have 3 point in my swimming pool one of them closed with valve cap how do.I know if this is water return or suction side . Iwas about to remove it thinking somone one closed it just for better pressure
I'm not sure what you're describing. Please send me some pics of what you are talking about. kennypoolschool@gmail.com
IM LOOKING TO PURCHASE A VACUUM FOR MY POOL I WANTED TO BUY THE ONE YOU HAD YESTERDAY FOR 58.99 IS THAT STILL ON SALE FOR THAT PRICE, IF SO CAN I PERCHASEBIT NOW
sorry I never had one listed for that price AND I don't sell products. I'd suggest the Barracuda G3 by Zodiac.
I have the same setup by my pump only difference is that I do not have a side port for vacuum. and the weird part is that on the lines, one says skimmer and the other say sewer.
Our waste line on our current pool goes into s stand pipe to our city sewer, that may be what you have. The previous home and pool I had, the waste water went into a hose behind the pool house and out on top of the ground.
How much suction force is needed in HP to use a Zodiac T5? I have an above ground intex 16x32x52 with an intex sand filter pump wich is rated at 0.6 HP, Zodiac claims that their vacuum can move with as little as 0.5 HP but I do not think that is true
If they say it can I'd take their word for it and if it doesn't then I'd send it back and get a refund.
HI, I'm having a problem with my skimmer suction, too much water, and the drain doesn't suction water. I don't have those valves. When we put any kind of hose to vacuum manually or automatically, the hose suctions together because its so strong. How do I open the suction for the drain if I don't have any of those valves? What is the part that I am to put inside the skimmer to prevent so much water flowing from the skimmer. I want to switch it to the drain, I can't find that part or know what it is called. Help please
sounds like you need a skimmer diverter. I did a video on them, and even though I don't like them it sounds like your pool does in fact need one. Here's a link to that video (you can order the diverters online): ruclips.net/video/-TUs90A5uVo/видео.html
@@PoolSchooler My pool only has one hole in the skimmer, and this gadget here is what is stuck in there, it won't turn anymore, we tried taking it out or turning it to get the drain to suction and it won't work.
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We can't put that one you have, because that one is stuck. And we are having trouble with the hose, everytime we insert it the gauge goes down and the motor is forced and makes noises, or the hose gets crimped.
@@justYouJesus1God Can you take a picture of your skimmer so and email it to me? kennypoolschool@gmail.com
the diaphragm was unscrewed from that Zodiac G3 btw.
Yup, had to pull it out and screw it back in.
I have jandy valve set up just like that..but no vacuum dedicated pipe.. so what is the other pipe for,?..1 is for skinner and the 2nd one is for what?..
It may go directly to your main drain (or if you have an attached spa it could be that. Without actually seeing your pool system I can't be positive. But my guess is it's to the floor drain. Unless you have a pop up in floor cleaning system then it could also be for the leaf vac.
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Wow I didn't t expect that fast a response..thank u soon much...my skimmer is clogged I guess I tried hose bladder. It kept shooting white stuff but dint clear clog ..pool filled up to top di.t finish clearing white stuff looks like filter powder..any advise?
@@estiben3508 you may want to try compressed air to “blow” out the line. OR it could be that the obstruction is at the jandy valve at your pump. Try opening uo that valve you may find your clog
@@PoolSchooler thanks again..I tried snaking it works a little better ..but now should I snake the jandy valve pipes also?
@@estiben3508 yes or open the valve up and manually check or clear it.
I need help!
So I recently opened up the valve for dedicated suction line but to my surprise it was doing the opposite, it was acting like a return line jet. You have any idea on how this is happening?
I don't. Perhaps you can email me some photos of your system and point out the valve you're talking about. Then I'd probably be able to comment more accurately. My email kennypoolschool@gmail.com
Is it possible your system's plumbing is setup for a pressure side pool cleaner?
@@anubisoftllc Agreed that's why I'd like to see the plumbing set up to determine if the pipe he's talking about is on the suction or return side of his equipment.
Kenny D!ck probably could have a suction/return line, that it gets changed with the valves (to reverse the water flow). Example, this it was very common in the 80s with the bottom drain that it could be changed to a return line for water heating efficiency, the only problem is that all the piping is underground. Hope this could help a little. 🤞🏻
Daniel Villalba thanks for the input.
The other hole is not worthless. There is a float valve that is supposed go on the bottom of the skimmer. The will save you money if your water level happens to drop below t he skimmer. It will sux water from the bottom of the pool and into the pump. This way you won't burn up your pipes and pump.
You are correct Monique. However it's been my experience that it works great in theory, but personal experience has shown that this "diverter" doesn't always work as designed. But I do appreciate the information.
@@PoolSchooler Usually poor maintenence, such as letting the O ring go missing, having it put back incorrectly, etc. I have had it save me several times, until I put a automatic fill system in. My brother owns A pool where they cemented closed the bottom drain and dumped the float. He has gone through 3 main pumps now because they go on vacation, the water level drops below the skimmer, and then there is no water to feed the pump.
How do I troubleshoot low suction? My zodiac mx8 is not climbing up the walls as it should be. Suction is at 10turns = 32/33seconds
It is stay in the pool but is connected to the skimmer line
Hi Gio. So, I'm not a fan of the mx8. In my opinion (based on experience with several clients who had that model), it's way over engineered (meaning it's great out of the box, but shortly after that -maybe a year or two) the thing starts breaking down and never works as well again. I've had no less than 5 clients get one (against my recommendations) and all 5 have disliked it greatly for the reason I stated.
As far as the vac not climbing the walls like it used to, first eliminate the possibility that it could be the suction. Do this by increasing the suction to the vacuum and feel the suction on the vac hose. If it feels substantial then you have enough suction and the problem lies in your vacuum (more on that later). If you find you have "little" suction then try increasing it via that valve. If it's all the way opened and you still don't feel a lot of suction to the vacuum hose then something is restricting the suction: Make sure your vacuum hoses are not cracked or broken. Make sure your pump basket is empty. Then Try clearing the impeller (video link here: ruclips.net/video/1xuGFGDJBmA/видео.html)
You may also need to clean your filter.
If you still have little suction then it's possible your skimmer line is blocked and you may need a professional to come out and blow out your line.
If you DO HAVE ADEQUATE SUCTION then the problem lies in your vacuum. Personally if it's over 3 years old I'd get rid of that model and get a Barracuda G3. In my opinion and experience it's by far the best pool vac. And it's cheaper than most.
If you want to try to repair it I'd take it to a licensed Zodiac repair pool store.
Hope this helps.
@@PoolSchooler suppose I should have mentioned the mx8 is brand new out the box.. I had a Tucson prior to this model and it stopped climbing the walls, started going slow etc. Took it to my local pool store and that was worse as it no longer travelled at all. I bought the mx8 because it has the scrubbing feature which I thought was cool, but since I installed it to my skimmer at the highest setting it's giving me 10rotations in about 30seconds. Another video suggested I alternate closing my jandy valve to clear the lines.. this gave me about 3-5 more seconds in terms of rotations but Im still on the highest mx8 setting and not quite there yet. I tried to push the fish tape through the skimmer but it wouldn't go down more than 1foot.
@@giobucks6498 Honestly this is why I don't like that vacuum. Too much to deal with. The G3 is a plug and go. BUT how much suction are you getting from your skimmer? It is a lot? If so the problem is either the vacuum or the vacuum hoses.
I had a client who had the exact same problem with a brand new one. First they sent him a new one to replace the new one that quit working. Then that one failed and finally they refunded his money to him. He bought a G3 and has not had one problem with it in over 2 years.
My pool doesn’t have a skimmer??
Wow! I have only known of one in ground pool that has not had a skimmer. And it was an extremely old pool.
When we moved in our house in 2010 the vacuum had 100% of the suction it is clear the pump motor has been replaced.. wonder why
Im not sure about that one. Typically about 2/3 to 3/4 of the suction goes to the vacuum and the other keeps the skimmer suction going as well. So I'm not sure why they did that.
They probably let the water level get too low and burned out the pump
How many gallons is that pool
Tony Gyyn about 12,000 gallons
3:30 shows the the pump suction and main drain. The diverter tab is missing (a sliding piece to adjust water flow to the main drain), and the float valve assembly (looks like a UFO). The float valve assembly serves 2 purposes, It allows adjustment of skimmer to main drain flow ratio. The float is designed to seal off the skimmer side if the basket gets clogged or pool water falls below the skimmer feed so that the pump would only draw from the main drains and no starve the pump. This pool has no water flow from the main drain. Petty cheap fix. The UFO is about $40.00 and the little plastic sliding piece is a few dollars.
83alpinab9 is missing the “O” ring in the bottom of the skimmer too
@@danielvillalba7973 The UFO comes with the o-ring (at least mine did).
Yea, I am always finding that O ring in the pump basket. It's important. Put it back.