How To Fix A Crosman Trigger Without Removing The Stock
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
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I did this on my Crosman Nitro Venom. Screwing the M3x10mm in all the way does prevent the barrel from cocking. With a little trial and error, I found that my happy place was to back out the 10mm three complete turns. This lengthened the first stage trigger pull slightly, but the break was just a hair past the stop. I removed the 10mm, put on a drop of blue threadlock, then reinstalled it. Much better and crisper.
I could not find an M3x10mm screw anywhere within a sixty mile radius of my home, so I ordered Team Associated screws from Tower Hobbies. A pack of twenty was $1.79 plus $1.99 shipping. All to get one screw.
Great. Now I have to buy nineteen more Nitro Venoms.
Thanks for the video!
Si vis pacem, para bellum.
ussling - lol😊
ussling Thanks for that helpful tip on that M3X10mm screw. Recently I was able purchase (2) M3X10mm on ebay for $1.69 with free shipping.
Try a M3×8mm screw. First, you will find that it also works and won't dead-head. Combine this with the 5x8x2.5mm bearing and you MAY find the "perfect pull" like I did. Experiment but be safe my friends.
This excellent mod. works just great on the Crosman Diamondback too! Finally my gun is shooting like I hoped it would. The factory trigger was terrible, a really long first stage which was actually not that bad, but then the second stage was absolutely terrible, clunky and stiff as hell. I ground down an M3 x 12 to about the same dimension and tried it out today and it has transformed the way the gun shoots. So much smoother. Thanks a lot for a great video of this mod. A couple of things I checked - If you screw the screw in too far it is possible to fire the Diamondback even with the safety on, and yes the gun cocks as normal but it will fire with the safety on so be careful. I backed mine off 1/4 turn at a time until it would not fire with the safety engaged, then backed it off another 1/4 turn. Then we loaded it up and give the butt rest a good few whacks with a hammer to make sure it wouldn't fire if it got a knock, this was fine with safety on and safety off. Thanks again for this mod, it has totally changed the gun's performance. It is getting nice groups out at 45-55 Yards where before it was a bit erratic due to the clunky trigger pull. One last thing that might be worth mentioning - When you fit the new screw it will be a little loose and if you are like me and worry it might vibrate and move (and have no Nylok screws) wrap a little piece of plumbers PTFE tape around the threads and it will grip and hold the screw securely.
I'm a nupie to the whole air gun scene. However, I installed a 3x8mm with a "socket" head. This allows you to make the adjustments with an allen wrench without having remove the trigger guard a second time.
That’s what I did
Wow! I posted this years ago. The airgun attraction has grown to a full blown addiction. PCPs, compressors, competitive benchrest shooting. I need an intervention! LOL
Hey bro can you give me a link to the exact screw
@@depiperfarm268 3×8mm sockethead
@@depiperfarm268 3x10mm is too long. If I remember well, the RC bearing was the best solution. Can't remember the size. However I bought a couple sizes as and near recommended. They are cheap and really improved the trigger much more than the longer screw.
Just put in a longer screw and my gun now has a hair trigger - THANK YOU VERY MUCH !
I can vouch for this mod. Much improved. Only difference is that I used a 3mmx8mm screw. My rifle is a Crosman Optimus. Thank you very much for this.
Any good hardware store has them available individually rather than having to buy a pack. Ace or Tru Value has them in plated or stainless steel if you prefer.
Ive done the RC bearing on a couple of my Crosman guns, but the 3x10 trigger screw job is just as good and a very cheap quick fix to an awefully long, hard lawyer trigger.
Thanks Kenny ✝️.
Good old kenny... Thanks mate always a great source of infomation ..!!!.. Be at peace big fella..👍
thanks Kenny hope you get better soon I love all your review s and I wish the best for you and your family Thanks again
Very awesome solution/s Kenny and greatly appreciated! Thanks for sharing these detailed fixes, regardless of who came up with them! Respectfully, AGW.
very nice fix and adjustment
bought and installed a 3mm 10mm machine screw -
followed instructions here -
put screw in deep until it didnt latch/catch or engage sear when breaking over the barrel -
then backed off 1/4 turn [it worked well as I felt the wall, but too hair trigger for me] :o
after a few trials i backed it off almost 2 turns and it felt just as I like it. :)
your results will vary as to what you like.
i feel a very smooth stage until the trigger is up against the wall of the firing stage.
a little steady pressure. . . I feel it let go and I am happy. :)
*yes I did the slap test, the bump test and the safety works fine.
I like the feel of this and will be ok right here with my consistent groups of pellet holes over lapping each other.
my rifle is the crossman shockwave in .22 [a walmart special] my first was the blue streak pump and abused it till the seals failed [over 30 years]
thank you to the family for keeping his videos on for us to see and use.
Recently got a Diamondback, I ended up putting the screw all the way in, thinking about going back to the store to get a 12 mm haha. Awesome mod, thanks for the help!
I know every gun is a little different, but I have fixed the trigger on two different air rifles and have found the longer screw alone to be insufficient. I have achieved a much more refined result by…
1. Adding the RC bearing as discussed in other vids.
2. LEAVING the trigger return spring in place but WEAKENING it.
3. Replacing the worthless factory-installed “adjustment” screw with a longer one.
With the bearing mod alone, you lose the 2-stage trigger but the overall length of trigger pull is greatly reduced. By also adding a longer adjustment screw, I further reduce the trigger pull as much as I possibly can without making the gun unsafe. The result is a very refined, short, crisp pull with 2-stage functionality restored.
If you’re a kid, stick with the bushing/bearing alone and remove the return spring and adjustment screw. Using a longer screw can render the gun extremely unsafe. If you have confidence that you know what you’re doing, go all the way with it.
Dennis Chupp how do you weaken the return spring?
jjrock5 I crushed the spring into a more collapsed position with a pliers experimenting as I went. Basically, over-collapse it. You can go too far to the point that it ceases to push the trigger blade all the way back forward. On mine I weakened it as much as I could without eliminating its functionality.
To be clear, if all you are doing is the bearing mod, the return spring is completely unnecessary. However, if you use a longer screw in conjunction with the bearing, the trigger blade will require the return spring to remain in place.
Nice info used 5x8x2.5 rc bearing tr77 rifle big difference light trigger pull short travel removed adjustment screw.thanks kenny i hope you feel up to more review soon.
I use 8 mm length..perfect
Very good tutorial thank you very much solved most of my problems with both my Crosman vantage and my Benjamin titan gp. Thank you for taking the time to show this fix.
Raquel Bauman did u use the 3×8 or 3x10...and how much did u back out? I have Titan gp also. Thanks
Hi Kenny i hope this text finds you in good health...the trigger ajustment without removing trigger mechanism on my optimus iworked great. Thank you. Kelly r. Glen rock pa
Ive got a optimus and this is really a straight shooter Ithink the trigger fix will work with the long pull it has.
I have a Optimus and I never use the open sights. I always remove the sights whenever I get a new gun. I was tinkering with it one night and I found out that the screw from the rear sight with the plastic dial on it works for this modification. Just cut off the plastic dial from the screw and it already has a slotted screwdriver notch. It gives you a really long first stage which I like and a very good second stage wall. I've owned probably around 15 break barrels through the years and this is probably my favorite trigger out of all of them. Before the modification it was probably one of the worst ones I've ever dealt with
I have the Optimus too. My groupings are not good at all right now. Do you think if I upgrade the scope and fix the trigger as explained in this video it will shoot better.
Understood. Guess I'll just have an extra 3mm x 10mm for use on something else if I ever need it. I am just going to order the bearing in the size that you recommended for my Titan GP .22, Thanks again!
You should back it off much more than 1/4 turn. The edges of the sears are rounded and 1/4 turn back means the sears are on the rounded edges which means they can slip off unexpectedly which fires the gun. They may slip off randomly just sitting there, or need to be bumped, even the shock of closing the barrel could do it. Fyi...
It also doesn't reduce the overall travel at all, it just reduces the "second" stage which makes it more predictable just like any two stage. The problem with these triggers is the first stage is a false stage which does nada, it's the second stage which is the only real stage that actually moves the sears. So really it's a single stage with dead space in front. The longer screw shortens the sear engagement which is effectively pre-pulling the sears for you. So if you originally had 20mm travel overall, 10 first and 10 second stage, after adjusting like you did you'd have 19 first (false) and 1 or less of the second. This means the trigger is internally 90+% pulled at all times, and as mentioned that's not safe with those rounded sears. So I would do at least a few turns back. The bearing/washer mod also shortens the sear engagement but in a different way, and it too can be unsafe depending on the height of the bearing installed and the trigger itself which varies from gun to gun. At least with the screw you can adjust it. So the point of the longer screw mod isn't reduce pull weight or distance, but shorten that second stage so it's more predictable. Predictable, not super short. And only for people unwilling or unable to do any of the better mods which involve removing the trigger. If you want I can explain how to do a vastly superior mod, which if you made a vid of it would save me a lot of trouble...
+chev rolet . Would like to see your superior mod. Please post it.
+Grejam53 I don't make vids but basically it involves sharpening and truing the sears, smoothing all moving parts, then most importantly adding an M3 screw to the trigger which does the same thing as the GRT and GTX triggers do. Drill/tap the oem trigger to put the screw in the same spot between the two pins. The end result is cheaper and better than buying a trigger, but more work which is why most people buy or only do the easy mods like the bearing/washer or longer screw like in this vid. You can also do mods to shorten the sear overlap or increase it, and lighten the trigger spring or just remove it, most people remove it. So lots of ways to mod it but as a general rule the better ways take more work.
Great mod, easy fix on my Venum Dusk. Thanks
Hi!
I am looking to pick one of these up, and the trigger seems to be about the only complaint. Thanks for doing this tutorial on the easier fix, as I am not comfortable with disassembling a rifle.
I've got a question though...
When you replaced the original 5mm screw, why not just use a shorter screw of 7 or 8mm instead of the longer 10mm screw that isn't being screwed in all the way?
I would think you would need to reset the screw after firing for a while because of vibration wiggling the screw loose (which wouldn't be a problem if the screw were fully seated).
Do you see what I mean?
Or am I overthinking this?
Holly's Folly - A Garden hi
Thanks for the help I will try that screw so my trigger is shorter thanks for the help again
Thank you. I’ll give it a try. Does this work on the Crosman Valiant.
You should do a series where you show off good guns for a cheap and affordable price
That was the wrong size screw for my Benjamin Trail NP2. I picked up a 3mx10mm screw, but it bound up as I was starting to screw it in. After trying it a couple of times, I realized the threads were wrong on it.
I brought the original screw with me to the hardware store and tried a number of nuts till I found one that threaded properly. The proper screw was a #4 x 3/8 (10mm is the same as 3/8").
When I got home, it fit perfectly. I backed it out, put some locktite on the threads, then turned it back down again, then went outside to make my adjustments.
Not quite a hair trigger, but only a little pull on the trigger ended up giving me the best results, hitting 10 out of 10 shots at a 1" spinning target at 20 yds. I thought a little more pull would feel better, but the accuracy went down substantially, so I put it back.
The #4 x 3/8" screw is what did the trick in my Trail NP2.
This video was made before the NP2 was introduced.
3/8" is NOT the same as a 10mm. 9mm is slightly less than 3/8 and 10mm is slightly larger. You most likely had the wrong PITCH on the metric 10.
I did this a few years back on my Benjamin trail NP after watching one of your vids I think? Anyway, it worked great! shoots beautifully! Thanks for the excellent info. and vids. Do you know what the best fix would be for Gamo whisper. My friend said that he had one and I have never had one or worked on one. I've looked at vids and wanted your opinion or knowledge. I live in the sticks and have very limited internet so can't watch all I'd like to.
Great video! Congrats
You are good lookk very great like it a lot.....on my crosman optimus when you safety the saftey stay close to the trigger like close close
nice work mi friend thanks
Hello my friend, I watched your review on the TR77NP .177 and decided on that rifle. Will this fix work on the TR77NP or should I use the 5x8x2.5mm bearing? Thank you again for your informative videos.
I wondered if anyone had tried this with crosman triggers, Have seen many posts of this mod being done to the Hatsan's Quatro .
Hi first, thanks for all the info you provide, can you give some tips on how to increase the shot count on a Benjamin Discovery .22 pcp rifle? Thanks
I never worked with one.
Decrease the power for each shot.
I actually like long trigger pulls. I just keep it just before the place it usually falls and then I have a hair trigger
I used a crossman optimus air rifle.Who is the best spring for crossman optimus? And tell me washer size please?
Myairgunreviews is there a type of metal that you recommend? I'm worried about corrosion from dissimilar metal and I'm not sure what the metal type in trigger is.
Hello, good and peace to all!!tell me people who did the upgrade.Everything is clear except for one thing when at the end of the video he unscrews the bolt that needs to be lengthened by 8 mm, as I understood, and puts a spring on it that took off the trigger so it turns out, whereas in other videos just a bolt is replaced, but there is not a word about the thread.Please explain
I already did the roc bearing mod on the trigger and it works fine.... Is this method better? Do both? I am wondering which is the best method. Thank you.
I've never done both to one gun. The bearing works best foe most but some guns like the longer screw best.
thanks for the bearing idea!!
Should I buy the gamo silent cat or the phantom for hunting?
Hatsan Striker Edge.
a good scope for this gun ?? Thank you
Im curious, at the end of your video of the bearing trigger mod, you mentioned switching back to the longer screw mod, while leaving the trigger spring out. Im curious as to the results and your opinion on that variation, if its worth takin the gun apart just to remove the spring, or if theres not much difference..?
And thanks for the videos, just gettin back into target shooting, as the kids show strong interest, pellets are far cheaper ammo to go through 500-1000 rounds a day! ;P
Actually, I now recommend leaving the spring in when just doing the adjusting screw.
myairgunreviews good to know! :D
Guess ill take mine to work with me tommorrow to tinker with on my lunch break!
Thanks for the reply, and the nice collection of vids... Trying to find a more serious target shooter, and your reviews are helping!
charlie da tuna makes a drop in trigger for 30 bucks. best trigger by far!! ZERO creep and crisp!!!
what is a good screw for fix the trigger?
Hello, Is the trigger intended by design (factory intent) as a two stage or single stage trigger? Long time shooter and ammo crafter, although never an adult airgun owner. I've a similar rifle you display on order, (couldn't pass up the price, promo deal) for a son and daughter combo and I've already obtained your bearing recommendations. Thank you for both of these comprehensive reviews.
They claim two stage adjustable but rarely can one feel the second stage.
what is a good screw for the benjamin titan gp friend? where i buy?
Sir, would this work on a crosman 1077 rifle ?
When you say " turn screw until it doesn't catch" , what exactly are you referring to? Until what doesn't catch? Thanks
The barrel won’t cock and catch the trigger sear. You do this to make sure the trigger doesn’t go off by simply returning the barrel after cocking and loading. Use good judgment and remember you can always lighten the pull with the hex screw
Have you got any suggestions for quick fix on Ruger Air Magnum and Air Hawk triggers? I'm going to try the bearing fix on my Benjamin Genesis.
Both my Air Hawk and Air Magnum just needed a little adjusting.
Adjusted the Air Hawk just this afternoon and it is a nice trigger pull, tightened it down until it was hair trigger and backed off till it was comfortable. The Air Magnum will not let me get it in far enough like it is bottoming out before it gets in the zone. Would a longer screw be an option for this one? Still looking for the RC bearing to modify the Benjamin. Going on Ebay to see if they have one.
Justin Barfield A longer screw should work. Try Amazon for the bearing.
Thanks again. I am so enjoying shooting and tinkering with these things.
Sadly Kenny is gone so I can't ask him but maybe someone here can help will this 3X10mm trigger mod work on a Crosman Nitro F4 I bought the gun new in 2018 and its been used for maybe 300 shots so far. I like the asdvice from one of the posters who bottomed out the screw then backed it out 3 turns tried it and then used the blue goop to lock it in place. Thnka for any help on this.
What do you think of the Crossman Nitro venom in .22 cal? Looking at getting either that or the shockwave.
Wood Stock Vs Composite Stock is about the only difference.
myairgunreviews Thanks! Ill go with your suggestion and get the shockwave.
@@Fazman81 How was the shockwave?
Caleb The Spy I didn’t get it I spent a little more and got a Berman QB Chief pcp air rifle. It has more power and is pretty accurate, now I’m saving up to get a .25 cal Hatsan flashpup or Hatsan Bullboss.
what is the ideal screw to fix the trigger I crosman nitro venom 5,5 friend? I would buy a benjamin titan gp, but reading some reviews I saw that corsman nitro venom is better precision ... then buy the nitro venom ... I wonder if I made a good deal buying the nitro venom? or if I should have purchased the benjamin titan gp ... my nitro venom arrives this week to Brazil ... will solve the problem trigger ...
Basically they have the same mechanism. Use the 3x10mm screw.
What do you can speak with me about the crosman nitro venom?
Kenny, this is an alternative to the bearing fix correct, or would both fixes be best? Thanks, AGW.
The longer screw will give you a shorter but heavier pull. The bearing will give you a shorter, smoother, lighter pull.
Will the 3mm x 10 mm screw work on the benjamin trail pistol?
+Larry Eyster The pistol has a totally different trigger so it would need to me modded another way
3x8mm or 3x10mm.
Whats Is A good Screw for fix the trigger of a crosman nitro venom 5,5?
FreeGames_ Brasil 3mm x 8mm or 3mm x 10mm.
Thanks...
myairgunreviews o que é o parafuso ideal para fixar o gatilho eu crosman nitro veneno 5,5 amigo? Gostaria de comprar uma titan gp benjamin, mas ler alguns comentários eu vi que corsman veneno nitro é melhor precisão ... então comprar o veneno nitro ... Eu me pergunto se fiz um bom negócio comprar o veneno nitro? ou se eu deveria ter comprado o titan gp benjamin ... meu nitro veneno chega esta semana ao Brasil ... vai resolver o problema do gatilho ...
He showed you the box the screws came in and their size. He repeated the size of the screw at least 3-4 times.
Any 3x10mm screw will do or do i need a special kind of screw for guns? Sorry i'm pretty new to guns overall :P
Any
will this work (longer screw) on a nitro venom dusk I just purchased 12/2014
Yes.
The screw must be button,flat or binder head?
The head makes no difference.
myairgunreviews thanks !!!!
Can I do this to Crossman Fire .177?
Yes.
Is the spring left out when you do this trigger mod?
You do this mod without removing the trigger blade so you do not touch any springs. You can go in and remove the spring if you like for a lighter trigger.
Dear sir, did you mean any kind 3x10mm screw? I found many available from Walmart.com or simply Google it. I am first time AR owner and bought this gun from Amazon recently. I studies many pro video on line and also felt the trigger is too long to pull...
I used 3x10mm with a small Phillips head from my local hubby store.
i think he may mean what is the pitch of the thread. There are various pitches avail for this (any) screw. I am not sure, but i believe the right answer is "0.50 course" as per ISO 261 standards table which can be found on wikedpedia. At least, that would be the default.
kilrassclown The OEM screw is 5mm long. Just take it with you to the Hobby Store and get one 8 to 10mm long.
would this work on a crosman phantom
Yes.
the screw that has to be changed is the one for adjust the second stage right?
My air rifle is not firing at all and there are no broken parts
with my benjamin trail nitro piston i can not put that screw i cant take the trigger gard off its all one peace i have to take of the stock
3 screws and the stock comes off.
nicholas breton You can access the screw from the side or the hole, a bit awkward but very doable. Use a little size 00 phillips screwdriver, a size 2 (most common) or a 1 is too fat. Using a 00 I have never needed to remove the guard or stock to install or adjust the screw.
hi i own a tr77 it works for that one to?
Yes.
+myairgunreviews does this work with nitro piston air rifles
+fbqs -_- Yes.
+myairgunreviews thanks for the quick reply
It doesn't take long to do
I put a GTRIII in my StormXT
l have a down-rated (...to 12ft.-lbs) Crosman .22 Nitro Venom Dusk. Anyone know how l might up-rate it...???
+Charlie Wilson New spring.
lt does not have a spring.
+Charlie Wilson It's a gas spring (Nitro Piston). Find one for a full power gun.
+Charlie Wilson I didn't know 12ftlb existed, is it a UK version or something? On the Crosman website look up the part # for the spring used in the full power gun, which starts with BT9M22-00-??. I'm not sure if the last two digits are important for anything other than ordering. So get the # and order it from them. Be sure it's the spring because they also reduce power with pistons. Canada for example may have a longer piston or maybe a hole in it.
does the vantage come in 22 cal two
Yes.