(referring to dogs and cats) if you adopt from a shelter, they were already separated from their families. the most moral thing to do is give them a loving home instead of leaving them trapped in a pound, and later on, euthanized.
you can't set free domesticated animals. stray cats die like 6 years before they would in a home and are usually starving with rabies, ticks and flees.
TheFettuck In order to face hardship you have to feel pain, which plants don't. In order to face hardship, you have to be able to suffer which plants can't. You are scraping the bottom of the barrel.
hardship [hahrd-ship] noun a condition that is difficult to endure; suffering; deprivation; oppression: a life of hardship. an instance or cause of this; something hard to bear, as a deprivation, lack of comfort, or constant toil or danger: They faced bravely the many hardships of frontier life. In order to face hardships, you have to be able to suffer and feel pain, which plants can't.
Accidentally step on a dog's paw, or a cat's tail and they will yelp out in pain....all animals experience this.... Anyone who thinks animals don't feel pain is either delusional, extremely ignorant, or more likely, just being dishonest and making excuses for their carnistic ways....carnism is a violent ideology that has built-in defense mechanisms such as this excuse....Excellent job, Ed...
I fully understand the vegan argument, but is it not an epistemological question whether animals suffer in the same way that we humans suffer? Are we not just committing the naturalistic fallacy by associating pain to a physical system (i.e. muscle tissue) of an animal. What if animals are ghostless machines? This is David Chalmers hard problem of consciousness. We know that in the human experience, beyond mechanistic explanations about behaviour, there is an internal qualitative dimension to us that is irreducibly subjective. How do we *know* this is the case with animals? This is my only argument I have to logically resist a vegan lifestyle. Although, I totally concede that living as a vegan is no doubt the most sympathetic and wholesome way of living ethically, although this is an emotional decision not a rational one. I just draw the line at the fact that it's never really proven that animals do suffer and have a sense of experience like we do.
@@rayhan3654 think about this way: if you were an alien from another planet and couldn't communicate with humans in any language, how would you prove to other aliens humans can feel pain? We only know we feel pain, because that's what our senses tell us. The same is with animals, so the only thing left for us is to try and understand how their senses and brains work. So far we have only proven they are capable of feeling pain.
@@aurelijagarbanovaite3462 Your argument demonstrates a false analogy. an alien civilisation that is intelligent enough to meet us *must* have a language system ... Language and a capacity to explain phenomena are linked. We would be able to learn each others languages and communicate what we mean by suffering. Animals do not have a linguistic analogue and do not have a capacity to explain. They lack creativity; they are controlled entirely by their genes. We feel pain not because our senses tell us but because we have a mind that conjectures explanations. In order for us to *know* what pain is, a stimulus is interpreted through an explanation.
@@rayhan3654 I mean why do you have to come up with such a long winded excuse. Just say that you like the taste of meat too much to care. Because that's the only reason.
Thanks so much for this Ed I'm 13 and vegan by choice I am so happy I am! These videos make me feel happy because I know that most vegans have the same mentality when we get stupid comments.
A boy once told me how much fun he had at his grandparents' place whipping cattle through the chute into the truck. I asked him why he enjoyed hurting them. He told me they don't really feel pain. When I pointed out to him that if they felt no pain, they wouldn't try to get away from the whip, the dawning connection in his eyes nearly brought him to tears. It wasn't my intention to hurt his feelings, but to make him aware, and in that, I guess it succeeded.
Little miss sunshine I'm a little late but hope that you get well soon. The world needs more sensitive people like you! 👍 👍 And I hope your dog cheers up. My cat got run over by a car and ever since I just can't stand animal cruelty or slaughter. That was the day (3 years ago) that I turned vegan. I have never kept a pet again 😔 😔
Times are changing fast, the world is waking up to the atrocities we inflict on animals . Animals are not property to be used as resources for human beings, we recognise that humans have the moral right not to be treated as property, to treat humans as property would be to condone slavery. We give animals the status of property, “things”. Animals (non human beings) are sentient as are human beings adjective adjective: sentient “able to perceive or feel things” Animals are the same as humans in the ability to feel pain, terror, sadness, loss just as we do and they feel happiness, love, joy. They form friendships and bonds just as we do, they love their families and nurture their babies just as we do. And they will fight for their lives, just as we would. There is no justification for animal use. We do not need to consume their flesh and secretions, we do not need to wear their hides as jackets or shoes, or use them for handbags or sofas, we do not need to torture them for our make up or products and medicine. We do not need to condemn them to a life of misery for our entertainment. We think of ourselves as highly intelligent and evolved yet we continue to torture, persecute, enslave and murder the most innocent beings on this planet. You don’t have to be a huge animal lover to understand that to put another sentient being through the horrors that we inflict on animals is morally wrong. Put yourself in their position. How would you feel in their place? Or if someone did that to your mum, your dad, your siblings or your children? Just watch a video of a cow having it’s calf taken away from it. Watch a video of day old male chicks from the egg industry and what happens to them. Watch a cow or sheep or pig fight for its life before having its throat slit to make a burger, chop or bacon. For non vegans, just watch land of hope and glory and earthlings here on RUclips. For trolls, crack on, seriously, we have heard it ALL before and then some. For vegans, you beautiful people, you warriors for the animals, keep fighting for them, we will and are changing the world for them 💚🌱
TheFettuck You do realize that when vegans say they eat plants, they mean potatoes, beans, rice, pasta, fruits, veggies, oatmeal etc. We don't sit down to a meal of red roses and Venus flytraps. So you were saying?
TheFettuck You can't kill a potato. Or a tomato. Or pasta. Or beans. Or rice. Or oatmeal. Or fruits. Or vegetables. Or grains. Do you hear yourself? You can't exploit or kill these plants. And yes, humans need to eat plants to survive. Humans do not need to eat dead bodies to survive.
Another great and well said video. Thank you for being so active to this community and advocating veganism. You have inspired so many like myself to start our own journeys trying to change the mind of the majority. i would love to make some videos like these about certain arguments i here.
This is what constantly haunts so many of us: the fact that animals feel fear and pain just as we do. This should be enough on its own to make everybody stop eating meat, fish, eggs and dairy. But what do the majority do? They would rather not think about it. They pretend that animals don't really feel fear or pain at all. Or they use some sort of convoluted logic to prove that hurting and killing animals is really OK. I know that one day, when humanity has advanced quite a bit, this animal torture and slaughter will be made illegal. But it will take a very long time.
Amazing video Ed! Once again, I love this series!! Keep up your great work!! (but take a break if you have to) This video is awesome, (gonna share it w my mom) :)
Some people say animals cannot predict their death. But their senses are more clear than we think. They are very telepathic. It doesnt make sense, they feel. They sense. They are real. And the fact that we are animals as well should be a valid reason enough
For me it's crazy that you even have to explain this because this is something you can just find out by sitting next to an animal, seeing how it moves, reacts on its enviroment and everything. All it takes is to just put yourself in their shoes and see things from their eyes, it's really not that hard.
To prove that animals feel pain and have emotions, I just show the person (that said this argument) videos how they can be happy but also suffer. And then they mostly go silent...
To source who said that animals don’t have the capacity to envision relief from pain, it’s the philosopher Bernard Rollin (2011) “Animal Pain: What It is and Why It Matters”. The Journal of Ethics. :)
Perhaps we should ask people who use this excuse if they would cut the throat of somebody who suffers from Congenital Insensitivity to Pain, as these people have a rare genetic disorder that means they cannot and never have felt pain, is it morally just to inflict damage on them just because they won’t feel the pain most of us would.
I’m vegan but I can sometimes get confused about this question. I recognize that if I don’t know if animals feel pain, then I also don’t know if humans feel pain, but how do I actually know that what humans call pain is actually pain that I feel? How do I even know it’s pain at all? I can’t hop into their experience. It’s just a philosophical over-complication. But just because we both have physical human Brian’s and act in a way to avoid damage to our bodies, how does that conclude others feel pain?
If we can all understand that animals use their eyes to see, ears to hear, noses to smell, mouths to eat, legs to walk, feathers to fly, fins to swim, genitalia to procreate, bowels to defecate, etc, why can't people understand that they can also use their brains to think, feel, be rational, be aware of their surroundings and other animals and in some cases, be self-aware!? There's a reason why they call it Animal Cruelty, Cruelty as in they're experiencing pain, but apparently that logic goes out the window when its NOT a pet or a performance animal.
The burden is on your friend to explain his position and show the evidence. Just saying that fish cannot feel pain is not an argument itself. The article Pain in Fish is a good start to see the different angles this has.
On the sufferings of animals: I would even argue that these animals have a higher capacity to suffer. Since we humans posess a conscious intellect and reason we are more aware of what's going on, whereas an animal does not have this an is therefore completely dependent on its senses. Also, hawks have better eyes than humans, elephants have better ears than humans, and dogs have better noses than humans - we admit that some animals perceive some senses more intense. So why shoudn't some animals perceive pain more intense than humans? Add that with the fact that the animals in factory farms and slaughterhouses have no idea what's going on which causes fear and anxiety, literally terror which adds even further to the suffering. In that regards, the current sufferings of animals in the production of meat and other animal products vastly outweighs any suffering humanity has to endure currently, just by the sheer numbers alone: 60 billion land animals that humans exploit compared to 8 billion humans on earth. If you're a rational utilitarian, then going vegan definitely has a higher moral priority than any other human rights issue right now.
Hurting women is worse than hurting animals because women animals are stronger and women are more sensitive, also it’s pretty easy to tell which is more sensitive an animal or a woman, women are definitely more sensitive than cats, because if you yell at a woman or a little girl, they will cry, but if you yell at a cat, they will get mad back, I think that’s proof that women and little girls are more sensitive than cats
Honestly I really thought this was a reason no one would ever use to justify eating animals. However someone did in a polite response to a comment to a pro vegan comment I made. When I sent them links proving that animals can experience even complex emotions they were stunned. They didn't even realise that animals felt physical pain let alone emotional pain. I must admit I was surprised that someone did not know this but at least they were open to learning about it. I am not sure it was enough to turn them vegan but it's one less justification for not doing so ticked off the list I suppose!
Well, if we purely look towards the argument 'if it feels pain, do we have a morality that restrict us from eating it', there are also animals that do not have similar biological structures to bundle the pain receptors as we humans have. So, can we eat those? There are also living organism that have similar receptors but not fabricated from the same materials as our nerve system, but does transmit signals. There are plants that closes its leaves when touched. You could classify that as a pain reaction as well. Or do vegans consider them to be superior moral compared to meat eaters that only they can judge on these ethical conclusions? Are rats allowed to met with compassion when they feast on our food, or is mass extermination allowed on them? How about mosquitoes? Spiders, locust, snails, or worms? Where is the boundary of the animal kingdom where it stops being immoral to eat them?
Is there a video of you I can send to my children's primary school and other local schools to get you invited to speak to the school please? Could school children / families visit the sanctuary to learn about animals' rights?
Just saw a video of you on Facebook. We dont have to kill animals, so, those animals which dont have any predators and they overgrowth and kill all the ecosisytem that we built. Like for example wild pigs. In Spain this animal right now its a threat to any growing crops and farms. So what can you do about it? For ages the human has been that predator which has taken care of the animal pyramid, for those animals which dont have any predators. You´ve got a nice point of view though. And also, i dont think only with vegetables the whole humanity could survive. Its way too much.
Heart Of fury Vegans don't just eat vegetables. We eat everything you do just without the animal products (pasta, pizza, burgers, fish and chips), there is a vegan version of everything you eat. A lot of what you eat is already vegan (oatmeal and fruit, pasta and veg, potatoes and greens etc) And the only reason we have so many animals is bc they are bred into existence by the animal agriculture industry. Don't support the meat/dairy/egg industry and they won't be bred anymore. Animals will never overrun humans.
No, since always, for example, with wolves, if the humans hadnt hunt them, like in past ocasions, for example in Spain, they were a threat to villages and town, they killed all the prey they could becouse they didnt have any predators. They started droping down deer numbers and rabbits. Deforstation started happening. It has to be controled, otherwise the ecosystem falls. Like it has done before, like its happening now. Spain is infested with wild pigs, becouse there is not enough predators to take them down, which those predators are the human beings. Wild pigs aren´t bred into existence. Neither are wolves.
You are suggesting to extend 10 commandments "THO SHALT NOT KILL" to farm animals. These debates twist peoples understanding of bible . Intentionally ?
No one believes that animals don't feel pain. This is a ridiculous and disingenuous straw man argument - you should know better, and since you do, we can only assume it was a deliberate choice to place persuasion at all cost before intellectual integrity. Bravo.
Pain and suffering takes up attention and mindfulness. This means that this distorts navigation on a deeper level. As such even at the layer where we are better than innocent - where we are simply improving and administrating a harmful continuity situation (such as a serial killer or child rapist) - we are caused damage in energetical affect. Remember that this reality, while very real, is only one type of structuring of the energy. I think we can take over what exists externally, to an extent and where it makes sense; affect one way means affect both ways. So while it matters how harmful something is; as long as the baselayer is that we can suffer... two distinct layers; 1. Can something suffer, 2. How harmful is it? Still, getting surgery where you have to lay still can be better as this enables navigation later on whereabouts sustainaned damage can hinder moving about the energies later.
which 2 psychos disliked this video? how can somebody not agree with the message? Even when I was still eating meat, I knew animals feel pain. What kind of psycho and un-compassionate monster you have to be, to disagree with the fact that animals feel pain. sad.
The laws you speak of have nothing to do with compassion and welfare. In the eyes of the law, certain animals are classed as property and legally treated no different to that of a car or phone. The legal system is void of compassion, empathy or anything good.
I just recently became a pescatarian, I hope to become a vegetarian, but I don’t know other protein sources. Do you have any vegetarian diet suggestions, and do you have any info on fish harvesting?
Reason to as of why it is not moral and illegal to harm dogs and other pets is because of our culture, whereas in China they have a completely different culture and therefore morals. Morals develop because of culture and therefore it isn’t correct to compare and use it as flagship evidence, yet it is certainly still relevant. Although harming dogs in Britain is illegal that is down to our culture and the morals which are a consequence of British culture.
The underlying moral principles, like the Golden Rule, are the same in all cultures, but in all cultures, some groups are arbitrarily excluded from "the circle of compassion", depending on local culinary traditions and other factors that should play no role in our moral decisions.
That is why you are supposed to kill them quickly so they dont even know it happens. That is the most humane way to do it. I love meat as well and i am never gonna stop eating it.
@@Algeriawindows69 Cool. Then enjoy your meat which has leukemia, AIDS, several strains of strep infections, several strains of staph infections, mastitis, mycoplasma, and was legally fed piss, shit, ground up diseased animals, growth hormones, and antibiotics. Per the USDA and FDA reports and regulations. Also, you lose any right to complain about pandemics since pandemics are created from zoonotic diseases. (Bird flu, swine flu, mad cow disease, influenza, ebola, AIDS, SARS, vCJD, MERS, and even the common cold came from our domestication of animals.) And don't complain when you get cancer or a heart attack or stroke. Oh and fun fact, it's legal in many states to feed pigs literal garbage. Plastic and all.
how i see it: if you wouldn’t want it to be done to your pet, don’t pay for it to be done to any other animal
Maeve having pets isn't moral, they'd rather be with their families.
(referring to dogs and cats) if you adopt from a shelter, they were already separated from their families. the most moral thing to do is give them a loving home instead of leaving them trapped in a pound, and later on, euthanized.
Maeve Set them free
you can't set free domesticated animals. stray cats die like 6 years before they would in a home and are usually starving with rabies, ticks and flees.
Maeve that's nature, some will adapt. That's like saying you can't free slaves, they don't know how to function in society. You make no sense.
All animals feel pain, feel the cold, feel the heat, feel emotions. No excuses, all animals deserve to live a stress free and pain free life.
TheFettuck I need you to reread your post so that you know how ridiculous you sound.
TheFettuck Plants don't face hardship LMAO, aren't sentient and don't have a will to live. Your arguments are ridiculous and you know it.
TheFettuck In order to face hardship you have to feel pain, which plants don't. In order to face hardship, you have to be able to suffer which plants can't. You are scraping the bottom of the barrel.
hardship
[hahrd-ship]
noun
a condition that is difficult to endure; suffering; deprivation; oppression:
a life of hardship.
an instance or cause of this; something hard to bear, as a deprivation, lack of comfort, or constant toil or danger:
They faced bravely the many hardships of frontier life.
In order to face hardships, you have to be able to suffer and feel pain, which plants can't.
TheFettuck You CANT SUFFER without a brain and spinal cord, period. Sit the fuck down.
Accidentally step on a dog's paw, or a cat's tail and they will yelp out in pain....all animals experience this....
Anyone who thinks animals don't feel pain is either delusional, extremely ignorant, or more likely, just being dishonest and making excuses for their carnistic ways....carnism is a violent ideology that has built-in defense mechanisms such as this excuse....Excellent job, Ed...
Vegan For The Animals Ⓥ see that guitar case there was a cow killed for that
I fully understand the vegan argument, but is it not an epistemological question whether animals suffer in the same way that we humans suffer?
Are we not just committing the naturalistic fallacy by associating pain to a physical system (i.e. muscle tissue) of an animal. What if animals are ghostless machines?
This is David Chalmers hard problem of consciousness. We know that in the human experience, beyond mechanistic explanations about behaviour, there is an internal qualitative dimension to us that is irreducibly subjective. How do we *know* this is the case with animals?
This is my only argument I have to logically resist a vegan lifestyle. Although, I totally concede that living as a vegan is no doubt the most sympathetic and wholesome way of living ethically, although this is an emotional decision not a rational one.
I just draw the line at the fact that it's never really proven that animals do suffer and have a sense of experience like we do.
@@rayhan3654 think about this way: if you were an alien from another planet and couldn't communicate with humans in any language, how would you prove to other aliens humans can feel pain? We only know we feel pain, because that's what our senses tell us. The same is with animals, so the only thing left for us is to try and understand how their senses and brains work. So far we have only proven they are capable of feeling pain.
@@aurelijagarbanovaite3462
Your argument demonstrates a false analogy.
an alien civilisation that is intelligent enough to meet us *must* have a language system ... Language and a capacity to explain phenomena are linked. We would be able to learn each others languages and communicate what we mean by suffering. Animals do not have a linguistic analogue and do not have a capacity to explain. They lack creativity; they are controlled entirely by their genes.
We feel pain not because our senses tell us but because we have a mind that conjectures explanations. In order for us to *know* what pain is, a stimulus is interpreted through an explanation.
@@rayhan3654 I mean why do you have to come up with such a long winded excuse. Just say that you like the taste of meat too much to care. Because that's the only reason.
Thanks so much for this Ed I'm 13 and vegan by choice I am so happy I am! These videos make me feel happy because I know that most vegans have the same mentality when we get stupid comments.
XxEmogen Xx omg I just turned 14 and I’ve been vegan since 13!! It’s so hard to find vegans our age :(
Arunita Seth 15 years old vegan here
Arunita Seth hell yeah
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Well done. It took me much longer than you to get to it.
A boy once told me how much fun he had at his grandparents' place whipping cattle through the chute into the truck. I asked him why he enjoyed hurting them. He told me they don't really feel pain. When I pointed out to him that if they felt no pain, they wouldn't try to get away from the whip, the dawning connection in his eyes nearly brought him to tears. It wasn't my intention to hurt his feelings, but to make him aware, and in that, I guess it succeeded.
Ro Ku Keep up the good work buddy. People need to be educated coz most of them are ignorant
At least he felt bad about it. I hope he stopped
@@minV5326 Yes, he’s not a bad kid, he just had bad information and bad influences.
Oh, Ed, I broke down in tears watching this!! Thinking of all the pain we inflict on these innocent creatures! 😢
beautiful human
I have cystic fibrosis and if I’m not feeling well, my dog is looking sad and doesn’t want to eat. He definitely feels emotionally pain.
Little miss sunshine I'm a little late but hope that you get well soon. The world needs more sensitive people like you!
👍 👍 And I hope your dog cheers up. My cat got run over by a car and ever since I just can't stand animal cruelty or slaughter. That was the day (3 years ago) that I turned vegan. I have never kept a pet again 😔 😔
Loving these series!
Hurting women is worse than hurting animals because animals are stronger
Spending any amount of time with animals show just how thinking/feeling they are
There you go again, making sense. :)
Times are changing fast, the world is waking up to the atrocities we inflict on animals .
Animals are not property to be used as resources for human beings, we recognise that humans have the moral right not to be treated as property, to treat humans as property would be to condone slavery.
We give animals the status of property, “things”.
Animals (non human beings) are sentient as are human beings
adjective
adjective: sentient
“able to perceive or feel things”
Animals are the same as humans in the ability to feel pain, terror, sadness, loss just as we do and they feel happiness, love, joy. They form friendships and bonds just as we do, they love their families and nurture their babies just as we do. And they will fight for their lives, just as we would.
There is no justification for animal use. We do not need to consume their flesh and secretions, we do not need to wear their hides as jackets or shoes, or use them for handbags or sofas, we do not need to torture them for our make up or products and medicine. We do not need to condemn them to a life of misery for our entertainment.
We think of ourselves as highly intelligent and evolved yet we continue to torture, persecute, enslave and murder the most innocent beings on this planet.
You don’t have to be a huge animal lover to understand that to put another sentient being through the horrors that we inflict on animals is morally wrong. Put yourself in their position. How would you feel in their place? Or if someone did that to your mum, your dad, your siblings or your children? Just watch a video of a cow having it’s calf taken away from it. Watch a video of day old male chicks from the egg industry and what happens to them. Watch a cow or sheep or pig fight for its life before having its throat slit to make a burger, chop or bacon.
For non vegans, just watch land of hope and glory and earthlings here on RUclips.
For trolls, crack on, seriously, we have heard it ALL before and then some.
For vegans, you beautiful people, you warriors for the animals, keep fighting for them, we will and are changing the world for them 💚🌱
Louise Simpson Beautiful comment.💖
TheFettuck You do realize that when vegans say they eat plants, they mean potatoes, beans, rice, pasta, fruits, veggies, oatmeal etc. We don't sit down to a meal of red roses and Venus flytraps. So you were saying?
TheFettuck You can't kill a potato. Or a tomato. Or pasta. Or beans. Or rice. Or oatmeal. Or fruits. Or vegetables. Or grains. Do you hear yourself? You can't exploit or kill these plants. And yes, humans need to eat plants to survive. Humans do not need to eat dead bodies to survive.
Had a conversation today where the person thought chickens couldn’t feel pain... thank you for making this video! 💚💚
Love animals, my mom and i are vegan
Anybody who is honestly convinced that animal's don't feel pain is a very dangerous person.
you are right. those who harm animals often harm humans.
It's so sad to see the mother chase the car with her babies...
True, it is so sad.
Brilliant series Ed, keep up the great work
Another great and well said video. Thank you for being so active to this community and advocating veganism. You have inspired so many like myself to start our own journeys trying to change the mind of the majority. i would love to make some videos like these about certain arguments i here.
Great breakdown love your channel.
Great job Ed! I´m loving these, will you make a video on b12?
Brilliant little snippet as ever Ed. I love these.
Very well said. I'm loving this series, it's very informative for those who need it. Keep up your amazing work!!
This is what constantly haunts so many of us: the fact that animals feel fear and pain just as we do. This should be enough on its own to make everybody stop eating meat, fish, eggs and dairy. But what do the majority do? They would rather not think about it. They pretend that animals don't really feel fear or pain at all. Or they use some sort of convoluted logic to prove that hurting and killing animals is really OK.
I know that one day, when humanity has advanced quite a bit, this animal torture and slaughter will be made illegal. But it will take a very long time.
TheFettuck You again? You've been answered so many times that one would think you would have desisted by now. Get off, you idiot.
Thank you for making these videos! ❤️
Love you so much! 💜
You inspire me, thank you. 💙
Another moving video Ed
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Amazing video Ed! Once again, I love this series!! Keep up your great work!! (but take a break if you have to)
This video is awesome, (gonna share it w my mom) :)
The fact you’ve even had to make this video shows the lack of intelligence by people even questioning if animals feel pain.
Question to analyse should be 'Do carnists have feelings?'
Some people say animals cannot predict their death. But their senses are more clear than we think. They are very telepathic. It doesnt make sense, they feel. They sense. They are real. And the fact that we are animals as well should be a valid reason enough
Nicely put, if you ever need to make yourself a backup channel you could call it Well said Ed, it'd suit, cheers thanks always.
Thank you Ed! Your videos are amazing and very informative. My family and I appreciate the time and effort you spend on these videos💪👍
Facts and logic destroys carnist nonsense every time
So well said, thank you
For me it's crazy that you even have to explain this because this is something you can just find out by sitting next to an animal, seeing how it moves, reacts on its enviroment and everything. All it takes is to just put yourself in their shoes and see things from their eyes, it's really not that hard.
Another great video, Ed!
Keep up good work. Great to see, keep inspiring from your sikh brother
#STAYBLESSED
anyone who thinks animals cannot feel pain or are not intelligent or do not deserve to live - they are the cruel, unfeeling, stupid ones.
omg the point about them not knowing whether the pain will ever end or not :(
To prove that animals feel pain and have emotions, I just show the person (that said this argument) videos how they can be happy but also suffer. And then they mostly go silent...
To source who said that animals don’t have the capacity to envision relief from pain, it’s the philosopher Bernard Rollin (2011) “Animal Pain: What It is and Why It Matters”. The Journal of Ethics. :)
Perhaps we should ask people who use this excuse if they would cut the throat of somebody who suffers from Congenital Insensitivity to Pain, as these people have a rare genetic disorder that means they cannot and never have felt pain, is it morally just to inflict damage on them just because they won’t feel the pain most of us would.
these videos are so helpful
I’m vegan but I can sometimes get confused about this question. I recognize that if I don’t know if animals feel pain, then I also don’t know if humans feel pain, but how do I actually know that what humans call pain is actually pain that I feel? How do I even know it’s pain at all? I can’t hop into their experience. It’s just a philosophical over-complication. But just because we both have physical human Brian’s and act in a way to avoid damage to our bodies, how does that conclude others feel pain?
Great job on this video.
The first sentence made me laugh my head off 😭 ANIMALS HAVE NO BRAINS??? It sure is a ludicrous idea 😂
If we can all understand that animals use their eyes to see, ears to hear, noses to smell, mouths to eat, legs to walk, feathers to fly, fins to swim, genitalia to procreate, bowels to defecate, etc, why can't people understand that they can also use their brains to think, feel, be rational, be aware of their surroundings and other animals and in some cases, be self-aware!?
There's a reason why they call it Animal Cruelty, Cruelty as in they're experiencing pain, but apparently that logic goes out the window when its NOT a pet or a performance animal.
Can you touch more on the science behind fish feeling pain? My friend does a lot of fishing and claims that fish cannot feel pain
The burden is on your friend to explain his position and show the evidence. Just saying that fish cannot feel pain is not an argument itself. The article Pain in Fish is a good start to see the different angles this has.
watch both of earthling eds latest videos about fishes! :)
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On the sufferings of animals: I would even argue that these animals have a higher capacity to suffer. Since we humans posess a conscious intellect and reason we are more aware of what's going on, whereas an animal does not have this an is therefore completely dependent on its senses. Also, hawks have better eyes than humans, elephants have better ears than humans, and dogs have better noses than humans - we admit that some animals perceive some senses more intense. So why shoudn't some animals perceive pain more intense than humans? Add that with the fact that the animals in factory farms and slaughterhouses have no idea what's going on which causes fear and anxiety, literally terror which adds even further to the suffering. In that regards, the current sufferings of animals in the production of meat and other animal products vastly outweighs any suffering humanity has to endure currently, just by the sheer numbers alone: 60 billion land animals that humans exploit compared to 8 billion humans on earth. If you're a rational utilitarian, then going vegan definitely has a higher moral priority than any other human rights issue right now.
Hurting women is worse than hurting animals because women animals are stronger and women are more sensitive, also it’s pretty easy to tell which is more sensitive an animal or a woman, women are definitely more sensitive than cats, because if you yell at a woman or a little girl, they will cry, but if you yell at a cat, they will get mad back, I think that’s proof that women and little girls are more sensitive than cats
A lot of times animals dont show that they are in pain even when they are experiencing pain
Yes.
7 day old vegan here thanks ed for these videos, watching them only deepens the knowledge of I'm on the right side of history- namaste
COOL
Smallgreyuniform you've got some amazing writing for a 7 year old
Amberscupcakes wow thanks for your support, now get back in the kitchen
Smallgreyuniform
I´m suspecting Amberscupcakes is a troll not a vegan.
You rock for going vegan.
mulligatawny soup thanks, she's in denial of the truth for which this is a self defence mechanism, attack attack attack
GOD bless you...that's all what i have to say
Do oysters and other bivalves feel pain?
Honestly I really thought this was a reason no one would ever use to justify eating animals. However someone did in a polite response to a comment to a pro vegan comment I made. When I sent them links proving that animals can experience even complex emotions they were stunned. They didn't even realise that animals felt physical pain let alone emotional pain.
I must admit I was surprised that someone did not know this but at least they were open to learning about it. I am not sure it was enough to turn them vegan but it's one less justification for not doing so ticked off the list I suppose!
Well, if we purely look towards the argument 'if it feels pain, do we have a morality that restrict us from eating it', there are also animals that do not have similar biological structures to bundle the pain receptors as we humans have. So, can we eat those? There are also living organism that have similar receptors but not fabricated from the same materials as our nerve system, but does transmit signals. There are plants that closes its leaves when touched. You could classify that as a pain reaction as well. Or do vegans consider them to be superior moral compared to meat eaters that only they can judge on these ethical conclusions?
Are rats allowed to met with compassion when they feast on our food, or is mass extermination allowed on them? How about mosquitoes? Spiders, locust, snails, or worms? Where is the boundary of the animal kingdom where it stops being immoral to eat them?
Keep it up Ed!
Thanks!
What about Bug ? Seafood like mold and shrimp ?
You have to be dead inside to not see that we all feel pain. We are animals. Seriously, how dead are people inside? It’s chilling.
why everyone says that of course all living things feel pain
OMG, so people argue up and down about how the poor poor plants are screaming but ANIMALS don't feel pain??? WTF? People are stupid AF.
There's people that believe that animals can't feel pain? Fucking hell. Vegan Jesus, I wish I had your patience.
Of course they do
Is there a video of you I can send to my children's primary school and other local schools to get you invited to speak to the school please? Could school children / families visit the sanctuary to learn about animals' rights?
Good video.
if they cant feel pain they would be extinct millions of years ago
thank you
Animals sometimes dont have a way to express their pain, doesnt mean they dont feel pain
Hurting women is worse than hurting animals because animals are stronger than women
Just saw a video of you on Facebook. We dont have to kill animals, so, those animals which dont have any predators and they overgrowth and kill all the ecosisytem that we built. Like for example wild pigs. In Spain this animal right now its a threat to any growing crops and farms. So what can you do about it? For ages the human has been that predator which has taken care of the animal pyramid, for those animals which dont have any predators.
You´ve got a nice point of view though.
And also, i dont think only with vegetables the whole humanity could survive. Its way too much.
Heart Of fury Vegans don't just eat vegetables. We eat everything you do just without the animal products (pasta, pizza, burgers, fish and chips), there is a vegan version of everything you eat. A lot of what you eat is already vegan (oatmeal and fruit, pasta and veg, potatoes and greens etc) And the only reason we have so many animals is bc they are bred into existence by the animal agriculture industry. Don't support the meat/dairy/egg industry and they won't be bred anymore. Animals will never overrun humans.
No, since always, for example, with wolves, if the humans hadnt hunt them, like in past ocasions, for example in Spain, they were a threat to villages and town, they killed all the prey they could becouse they didnt have any predators. They started droping down deer numbers and rabbits. Deforstation started happening. It has to be controled, otherwise the ecosystem falls. Like it has done before, like its happening now. Spain is infested with wild pigs, becouse there is not enough predators to take them down, which those predators are the human beings. Wild pigs aren´t bred into existence. Neither are wolves.
Well we have animals to befriend and hunt.They are a source of food but they are our friends.
Horrible shot of mother cow running after her stolen child.
I wish i hadn´t seen that. It´s horrible. I don´t like this world much.
Anyone who has accidentally stepped on a tail or a paw knows. :(
Yes, all animals feel pain, feel anythings~
You are suggesting to extend 10 commandments
"THO SHALT NOT KILL" to farm animals. These debates twist peoples understanding of bible .
Intentionally ?
Simon They aren't farm animals, just animals. Just like humans are animals.
TheFettuck plant lives matter advocate over here
Does anybody know if Insects feel pain aswell?
I think that they can feel a reflexive “pain”, but they don’t really have any emotions so likely they can’t suffer in the same way as other animals
No one believes that animals don't feel pain. This is a ridiculous and disingenuous straw man argument - you should know better, and since you do, we can only assume it was a deliberate choice to place persuasion at all cost before intellectual integrity. Bravo.
Simon Burrows,
I´ve had conversations with people who don´t believe that animals feel pain. But if you know they do, why would you inflict it?
my coach legit thinks animals arent sentient 😑
Pain and suffering takes up attention and mindfulness. This means that this distorts navigation on a deeper level. As such even at the layer where we are better than innocent - where we are simply improving and administrating a harmful continuity situation (such as a serial killer or child rapist) - we are caused damage in energetical affect.
Remember that this reality, while very real, is only one type of structuring of the energy. I think we can take over what exists externally, to an extent and where it makes sense; affect one way means affect both ways.
So while it matters how harmful something is; as long as the baselayer is that we can suffer... two distinct layers; 1. Can something suffer, 2. How harmful is it?
Still, getting surgery where you have to lay still can be better as this enables navigation later on whereabouts sustainaned damage can hinder moving about the energies later.
Stupid question really makes me mad.
The meat ads before these videos feels almost mockery.
What about animals that do not feel pain like insects? Again, not a jab, rather a fair question.
They do feel pain just not in the same way other organisms do
i would remove the troll from here. so much wasted space from an obvious troll. they are not worth the time or energy.
which 2 psychos disliked this video? how can somebody not agree with the message? Even when I was still eating meat, I knew animals feel pain. What kind of psycho and un-compassionate monster you have to be, to disagree with the fact that animals feel pain. sad.
The laws you speak of have nothing to do with compassion and welfare. In the eyes of the law, certain animals are classed as property and legally treated no different to that of a car or phone. The legal system is void of compassion, empathy or anything good.
Simply if you think animals do not feel pain you are very desensitized.
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proud of you man
I just recently became a pescatarian, I hope to become a vegetarian, but I don’t know other protein sources. Do you have any vegetarian diet suggestions, and do you have any info on fish harvesting?
There is protein in literally everything. You don´t need fish. Try the 22 day vegan challenge. Ed has a link.
mulligatawny soup thanks, I found it, will give it a try!
Tessa Belle
Cool ! Good luck !
Maybe you can post your process :-)
protein you can get it from soy, tempeh tofu etc. do research on it :)
I will most likely do that, it starts on January 19th!
So the pain receptors are there for fun…
Reason to as of why it is not moral and illegal to harm dogs and other pets is because of our culture, whereas in China they have a completely different culture and therefore morals. Morals develop because of culture and therefore it isn’t correct to compare and use it as flagship evidence, yet it is certainly still relevant.
Although harming dogs in Britain is illegal that is down to our culture and the morals which are a consequence of British culture.
The underlying moral principles, like the Golden Rule, are the same in all cultures, but in all cultures, some groups are arbitrarily excluded from "the circle of compassion", depending on local culinary traditions and other factors that should play no role in our moral decisions.
Well if we feel pain.Animals feel pain.
Heck
*WE ARE ANIMALS*
Animals feel pain
Plants feel pain
Mushrooms feel pain
so eat rocks
@Dhruva Punde Some scientists say they feel pain, but even if they don`t feel pain, they are alive creatures
God gives us animals as a gift TO EAT !
Can you prove that ?
Why is God such a sadist ?
Sure- we have dominion over all animals.
MEAT
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Heres a different point of view
God gave us animals why don’t we use them
ueah, and why arent there old paintings of jesus slaughtering animals in his blood splattered white robe?
That is why you are supposed to kill them quickly so they dont even know it happens. That is the most humane way to do it. I love meat as well and i am never gonna stop eating it.
Have you seen how an animal is killed in a slaughterhouse?
@@suicune2001 yes and i dont care
@@Algeriawindows69 Cool. Then enjoy your meat which has leukemia, AIDS, several strains of strep infections, several strains of staph infections, mastitis, mycoplasma, and was legally fed piss, shit, ground up diseased animals, growth hormones, and antibiotics. Per the USDA and FDA reports and regulations. Also, you lose any right to complain about pandemics since pandemics are created from zoonotic diseases. (Bird flu, swine flu, mad cow disease, influenza, ebola, AIDS, SARS, vCJD, MERS, and even the common cold came from our domestication of animals.) And don't complain when you get cancer or a heart attack or stroke.
Oh and fun fact, it's legal in many states to feed pigs literal garbage. Plastic and all.
@@suicune2001 most of these deseases are killed when the meat is coocked
@@suicune2001 and i know my boundries so i don't eat them too much to get heart attack or cancer
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