So true!! It's annoying when I hear some people call Sabaton "neo-nazis". Calling them that just shows you that they haven't even listen to any of Sabaton's songs. Also I love their defense, claiming that the song "Ghost Division" is celebrating the Nazi's. WHAT!?! It's a song about history!! I would reply to these people with "Have you listened to Rise of Evil by Sabaton?" Because that song shows us that they aren't pro nazi.
Sabaton make songs about historical warriors of all kinds. Whatever you may think about Nazism, the Wehrmacht and Luftwaffe had incredible warriors that fought just as valiantly as anyone on the side of the Allies.
@@zjotheglorious Well that is what makes history interesting, everything is a long narrative to the present. If the Axis powers had won we would be saying the Allies should not have fought at all. Or if Napoleon had conquered the world, we would be typing in French.
I found your channel last week, I normally avoid reaction channels like the plague, I despise them, in fact. But then I noticed you do other content, and *then* I decided to give your reaction videos a whirl, and I was pleasantly surprised, both because you're more knowledgeable than 90% of reaction channels on RUclips, and because you actually provide commentary that is interesting and not in-your-face and annoying. Keep it up! Cheers from Australia!
When it came out, I thought it was the best album ever. But I was concerned that it would be hijacked by the right-wing extremists and that it would ruin it. But thankfully it became a history lesson for most swedes and even an album that made swedes proud, proud of the history but also of Sabatons success.
Fun fact: Did you know that Sweden and Denmark have fought most battles in history against each other than any other 2 nations in the world has? Btw. I love you VTH, been here a long time and just love seeing your channel growing, keep the great work going!
I live on the island of Gotland in the middle of baltic sea. It's so cool to see this! I feel like not many poeple, specially Americans knows the place :) We also have great history with our main city Wisby!
@@samuellee7751 I would say summer ( may, june, july or august ) The island is flourishing with tourists during that time and we have alot of great night life, restaurants, stores and fairs open. We actually have great beaches too if you're like to sunbathe and do that sort of stuff. And in August we have something called "medieval week" a market where people dress up and have tournaments and plays in the fashion of medieval times. Wisby is one of the best preserved medieval cities in the world so if you like history it's a must! Allthough the winter can be absolutely beautiful if you like to take pictures and look at great scenery, we don't have that much else to do during those months as tourism slows down and it becomes a little bit of a "sleepy" place.
@Emperor Nope, it's Gotland, with a G... and there might still be a grain of connection in the name. Are you maybe thinking of Jutland (pronounced Yutland), the danish peninsula?
VTH, keep doing what you’re doing man. Before coming here I knew nothing pre 1900s and I learned so much from you. I’m from Hawaii and you gotta come back here, maybe do a video about Pearl Harbor or the Hawaiian monarchs. Anyway god bless you and your wife and kids and have a fantastic day 😊
I experience the same here in Germany. There's people calling Bismarck a nazi, racist etc. Its frustrating, Bismarcks is my hero and he'll always be. Period. Its just stupid
People who call out things and say that they're offensive/ belong to an offensive group/ offend minorities clearly do so when anything that goes against some of their beliefs, even slightly, is present in the characteristics/ personalities of said thing/ person. it is absolutely sad to see that people do not want to learn, or even LISTEN to what actual history is before hopping on the "sht's offensive" bandwagon. truly disturbing.
@@BigAl2-u7e They equate being a nationalist with being a nazi, and since both the nazis and Bismarck were nationalists they are the same. Not accurate of course, but that's how the reasoning goes.
I absolutely love your Sabaton History videos. Keep it up! I have to admit, I've learned quite a bit from watching your videos. Definitely more than what I learned back in school.
Hey Man! Love what you do. No exageration, you're in my top 5 favorite historical RUclips channels ( that IS including documentaries channels and the sort). Would love to see you throwing us Brazilian viewers some bone in some reaction to either sabaton - smoking snakes (the song, that also has a sabaton history video explaining the context of Brazil in ww2) or the battle ou tuyuti by kings & generals. Keep It up!
Both Great War and World War Two are great and both have reaction gems I can't wait to see you cover. Indy and team do a great job with week by week coverage of the wars while keeping it digestible.
From a swedish perspective, we think his own men killed him because they were tired of living "a lifetime at war" another sabton song, where the lyrics are different in swedish and english. They singing form a swedish soldiers perspective in the swedish verison but its so powerful whne Joakim asked the people of gothenburg to sing wiht him. and its epic, eventhough its in swedish.
4:07 i can agree on that, I am from Czech Republic and here we learn about 30 year war a lot. It’s mainly focused on our country but it’s still a major conflict
I recommend History Buffs, he just released a fresh review of Last of the Mohicans, spending most of the movie going over the history behind it and praising the good things about it which is 90% of the review.
I have a very similar philosophy to your "look for the best in people" when it comes to politics (as a person who has studied political science). The vast majority of people want a better society and honestly believe they are the "good guys." And that shared belief alone shows there is potential common ground (or at least common understanding) on most issues if a civil discussion can be had. It simply prevents a prejudging of a person's character and as history has shown prejudging almost never results in a good outcome.
Kings and generals just released a video about the Battle of Fraustadt and Sabaton history also describes the battle in Killing ground and while most things are similar there is also clear differences. For instance in the Sabaton history episode Indy describes how the Swedish infantry marched under fire and unleashed their on volley at around 10 meters from the enemy, in the kings and generals video they say the swedish infantry charged without firing at all. From what I've read my sources backs up Sabaton historys version, but I can`t be sure what's right. Much is lost in history and war. Great vid hope you do more regarding the carolus rex album
Apparently at the age of 16 , Charles and his brother in law Frederick IV began trolling people in Stockholm. I mean that as in literally trolling, they called it the gottorp fury (apparently one time a bear began a drunk and fell to its death in the palace)
We used a very unusual system for recruitment (at least at the time unusual) Basically every village (I don’t remember what it’s called it’s kinda complicated) had to contribute with one soldier and a place for them to live. That also made it so the entire economy didn’t collapse since they could choose strategically and send the son of one of many farmers or that of many bakers in the village, so they didn’t loose for example their only smith and thereby all tool making capacity
I am from Sweden, and my gut reaction when hearing Carolus Rex in swedish on the radio for the first time was more or less "what!? They can play neo-nazi stuff on the radio now?" My point is that it is so ingrained in us here in Sweden that what we were and did in the late 1600/early 1700's was so bad and has been taken over by far right groups, that that's, I think, alot of swedes' reaction to hearing someone praise it. After that, in my early 30's I got alot more interested in history, and now I'm proud of our history and our accomplishments. Not that we killed alot people, but that a small country in the north of europe could do so much with so little.
@@justprivatelywatching0293 Fascism and communism are both very similar, in that they both are authoritarian ideologies. Nearly all early fascists were socialists first. Look at Benito Mussolini and Giovanni Gentile (and their followers), both were far-left socialists. Mussolini and Gentile viewed fascism sort of as an evolution of socialism. Fascism was to be a workable form of socialism, where they didn't socialize property, but instead they socialized people. This is exactly how H viewed fascism as well. Just read 'The doctrine of fascism' and you will understand exactly what they were after.
Speaking of Sabaton's swedish songs, i would recommend you reacted to En Livstid I Krig (A Lifietime Of War). It's one of those songs which more often than not get twisted into being racist and nationalistic in a neo-nazi way.
I agree with Chris's viewpoint on not assuming facts about how people basis on appearance alone, As the saying goes, "not judging a book by its cover" (or in this case an album as were talking about how a band looks!) The inherent problem for people in “the media” is they are always judged in those terms that are presented about them. Their image can be manipulated for one aim or another for many reasons- politicians and their agents are masters of the dark art of spin-doctoring….but there not the only ones. Some cultivate their image, even if it’s an act on their part to do very bad or criminal things (I don't like the term evil as that's a religious viewpoint)- If you need an example look up Jimmy Saville .....A man who cultivated his image as a popular jovial TV personality, was knighted for services to broadcasting and for charity work ……. but was in reality a toxic man and rapacious sex offender preying on the young and hospital patients; a man who used his “celebrity power” to evade justice and investigation in his lifetime (- much like medieval nobility avoided crime against the peasantry).
I also don't remember going over the 30 Years War, but I do remember going over the difference between the French and British monarchies, with the French under Louis XIV "the Sun King" being the model of absolute monarchy while the British had become the model of constitutional monarchy.
in austria our history lesson fly over before the romans, then we dig into roman history (especially the founding of Vindobonna), then we fly to the Canossa walk, then we fly to the first Habsburgs and especially later on Maximilian I. then the next big thing is the "birth" of the renaissance, then it is 30 years war (quite in detail), then it is Napoleon, then WW1, WW2 and then modern Austrian history (1945-now)
As kid Carl was hunting wolf and killed bears in chains and lived a solider life by instruction by his dead father. That to harding him for the real life as a king with lots of enemies. The training let him win lots of battles but peace is won by the pen.
If it wasn't for sabaton I would never be interested in this story, I was never taught absolutely anything about the history of Sweden in high school and college.
Sabaton is one of my favorite bands, with Carolus Rex being my favorite of their albums, both English and Swedish. It is funny that I never new that neo-nazis have co-opted that man until now.
Thanks for doing something with swedish history :D ! You should Apsoluty do a video on Gustavus adolphus/ Gustav II Adolf, the Lion from the north! My favorit swedish king!
With Indy hearing from the one person saying "are you sure you want to work with them, don't they support neo-Nazi's". I once saw a comment on a clip on a video that used a little bit of a sabaton song and the clip said "sabaton is propaganda" which is completely false, just because they sing about military history does not mean its propaganda. The definition of propaganda is "information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view." And in one of the sabaton history videos they say that sabaton has nothing to do with propaganda.
The powder keg of Europe is Europe. That's why even the 30yrs war blends in to a rich background. The World War series really caught peoples attention but even by then we'd been exporting it for a while. Ask literally anywhere on Earth, we eventually became everyone else's problem.
Charles the 12th is the original Chuck Norris. Also, I know you say your family is from East Kentucky. I live in Pike County, KY. I am related to both the Hatfields and McCoys and would love for you to do my genealogy one day.
That's how you know a true person of knowledge. That's why I like you so much. "Science adjusts it's views based of what's observed. Faith is denial of observation so that belief may be preserved". If you show me how something happens and provide evidence to support that, then I will change my mind. I won't stand by my statement, trying to look serious, but in reality making a bigger fool of myself.
Hey, if you need a translator for French I am here. I know it with near fluency...just let me know hahahahahahaha I have to say I am envious of you getting to go at the beginning of the year
One little point to be made. Sweden was not an absolut monarchy at the time. Because when Gustav II Adolphus father.. Charles IX died.. Gustav II Adolphus was not at age to take the throne. So to go around this.. He was more or less forced to sign the "Kungaförsäkran" which lit. forced the king to give up most of his power to the nobles. It was later reformed in to the ministries and the up and lower chambers of the richtag. In return to was given the throne.
Good luck with your visit. Been there, miles upon miles of graves, thats just the remains they found. Then the remorial to those with no known grave. Its so sad. Reality hits you in the face.
Hey Chris, I have been a subscriber for a while now ever since I first came across your channel and I wanted to buy some merch. I was wondering I you have a black Friday sale?
Im a Swede and i for one have gone deep into history of not only Sweden but many countries. As Pär said Carolus Rex has been a frontfigure for nationalistic pride which in my mind is ok BUT not when its neonazis promoting the status. There is a band called Ultima Thule for example which many considere neonazis during the 90's but they actually werent however the stigma stuck to them. They are infact anti nazis. I met them and i know. The fun fact that nazis doesnt know because they dont always delve into history is that Carolus Rex was a great promotor of foreign cultures and invited alot of worlds experts into sweden. Shipbuilders from netherlands, german aristocrats, french advisors and faculty teachers on university so on. What made Sweden great was the unification of alot of nations people. Ignorance is both on the left and right of todays society. National pride or such is not automatically neonazism.
Could you maybe also react to Carolean Prayers from sabaton and the history video? It’s about the Carolean army of Sweden I think you’d learn something and it would be interesting to hear what you have to say. It’s a very underrated song and I think it would be great to hear your knowledge on it and if there is stuff you don’t know then you might learn.
Judge the people by its character, also said by Calderon de la Barca in XVII century: ... in which nobody should expect to be prefered by the inherited nobility but by that which one adquires; because here blood is exceeded by the place one makes himself and without looking at his birth, he is regarded by how he acts...
Yeah , Joakim is one that are big , but cuddly , however don't make them angry, that journalist is lucky he is still alive, after facing angry bear Joakim.
There were at least two evening papers in Sweden who gave the Carolus Rex album the lowest score they could. Even admitting to not having listened to the album, but they weren't even going to give a Neo-Nazi album the benefit of the doubt. They also didn't wan to be associated with having listened to it. It's really messed up, but it is a view many have. When we allow history to be claimed this way by Neo-Nazi's and the like, we only let them win.
About Carolus Rex's persona being hijacked by the neo-nazis, it's bad when it happens to dead people, but in Poland we have the same exact problem with the resistance members of the Warsaw Uprising, fascists parade them around as role models, but guess what, they only do that with the dead resistance members, because they can't speak against it anymore. Some resistance members are still alive, and every time they speak out, that no polish citizen should face persecution, those "patriots" just hand wave all of that away by saying "oh, they are just old and demented, they don't know what they are talking about". I can't imagine how it must feel to see your friends and loved ones die in the name of freedom and equality only to see that those loved ones now became mascots of the neo-nazis that call themselves patriots. People that claim to "honor" the resistance members are saying stuff like "Poland shall be white or desolate", or people who wear a polish anchor symbol on their shirts beating up people at pride parades, how fucked up is that?
Well journalists are not worth much these days, seems all they do is report what someone else reported on, i would be ashamed if i came to interview someone and i had no damn clue. No damn pride left for doing a good job.
There is the same stupid misinterpetaion about vikings here in Norway. There is sceptisim to the use of runes because «you can be connetected to neo nazism». That said, I love sabaton and listen to them a lot.
Hey.. I have to say this. I was 8 when Columbine happend. I live in Sweden so i had never heard of it until like....10 years ago? I watched alot of documentarys about it because i think its something that needs to be remembered. When i think about Columbine, i think about Shoeles. Not just him, but he always comes to mind. Everytime. That someone had to trough the hate that he got just before he got shot. I dont remember hearing much about Rachel, im so sorry about that. I would really love to hear you speak about her. Maybe here or in a Discord voicechat with people that are interested. I allways listen to what you have to say. And thank you for checking our old kings and just the kingdom itself and actually showing interest in it. If you ever are in Southern Sweden (Skåne, Lower parts of Småland) i would love to have a chat with you just about history. Ive learned so much from Sabaton and ive improved because of you. Thank you for this channel.
Coming to France in January already, wow! If you plan on visiting Verdun could aswel have a peak at Luxembourg. I'm sure I don't have to tell you whose famous grave is here ;)
Love this song but to keep in context. For many years the neonazis in Sweden marched through the streets at 30th of Novemeber (CXII day of death) and people got killed. So they made him a symbol of Swedish might and greatness compared to filfthy immigrants. This is the problem we face today but Carolus XII should only be blamed to have loss the empire, a tragic saga. It took like 150 years for Sweden to get back...
13:28 In these particular times, I absolutely understand Charles XII's extreme brutality in the face of political opposition and doubt being cast towards his authority. As was stated earlier, Charles was _right_ on the edge of whether or not he would've had a Regent acting in his stead, and those regencies were known for abusing their power, exploiting and weakening the state for their own gain, so if that had happened to Charles he would inherit a severely deprived Sweden instead of the one his father left him. He simply could _not_ allow there to be any attempt to delegitimize his rule as soon as he took the throne. I'm not saying that these kinds of actions or reactions are the right thing to do, I'm simply saying that at this particular point in European history and in Charles' exact circumstances, those were probably the only realistic decisions and actions he could've made to stay King for long instead of being discredited.
I remember when I got into sabaton and I really like their carolus rex album since I'm swedish and I and my mom started saying like "well many neo nazis look up to him so he must've been racist". Both me and my dad just glared at her for a minute. She also called rammstein nazis cause she thought they sound like them, well, because they're GERMAN.
I live in Sweden, in the very southern part Skåne/Scania... i e former Denmark. During my school years some teachers had a very hard time balancing between who "we" were back in the days. Who won in the battle of Lund for example? "We" or "them"? :) I also remember not really believing that the swedish army was as strong as it was compared to other european forces. I've learned since, but that is what 200 years of peace does to your view on things I guess.
I kind of disagree about the angle presented about the association between the Karl XII and the Swedish nationalist movement. Our political class has in the last 50-60 years tried to frame the whole era of the Swedish Empire as something horrible and shameful, since it displays Swedish power, assertiveness and an aggresive expansion of Swedish culture throughout the baltic region. IF you want to be able to control a people the leaders needed to downplay and ridicule powerful figures in our own history to make us not get any ideas of pride and a feeling of cultural supremacy. Because of this stigma forcibly attached it left the field open for it to be adopted by other forces within society. The Swedish politicians that bitch about this only have themselves to blame.
The king seems to have been a very tolerant person and pretty multicultural as well. Here's some facts regarding that: Charles XII let the muslims and jews who had followed him from the Ottoman Empire to Sweden practice their own religions instead of forcefully converting them to protestantism upon arrival. He let them stay and live in Sweden instead of sending them back to the Ottoman Empire. He also had many non-Swedish allies such as the Ukrainian cossacks under Ivan Mazepa. And the kings army had many soldiers and generals from all over the Swedish kingdom as well as from beyond the borders of the realm. They had Scottish generals (Leslie, Spense and Hamilton), Finnish cavalry regements (the hakkapeliita), and so on. The king himself wasnt even fully Swedish. Taking all this into account makes it even more ridiculous when some right-wing extremist group tries to claim him as "their guy" or when some left-wing extremists and some journalists tries to cancel a band for making songs about him, or cancel people for listening to those songs, because, according to them, "Charles XII was basically a nazi/fascist/racist". No you douchebags! Charles XII wasnt a nazi or a fascist or whatever, those ideologies where not even a thing back then. He was probably what we today would call a conservative and a patriot because obviously. I mean he's a monarch so what else would he be? And people can admire him, see him as a national hero, wright songs about him or listen to songs about him without being some sort of hyper-nationalist or nazi. And also the singer in Sabaton, Joakim, is partially non-Swedish (half Czech) so i highly doubt he (or Sabaton as a whole for that matter) would have some sort of ultra right wing, Swedish neo-nazi agenda. Jesus freaking christ, man... Sorry for the rant but this whole thing has me all worked-up and i had to get it out of my system.
After reading some of my first novel my brother, who has a bachelor's degree in philosophy, called me a fascist. I was initially insulted until I looked up the definition. The philosophical root of fascism is the belief that what is good for the group, or I would say the team, is what is good for every individual on the team. Perhaps not at that precise moment but in the long term. All the totalitarian trappings are as repulsive to me as anyone else raised in this country. I do believe that Jesus would have agreed that you should put others needs first and if everyone does all are better off. It, of course, only takes one selfish twit to screw it all up for everybody.
The best reaction ever!!!! Of couse Sabaton dont have anything to do with any nazis. Some people thinks Rammstein are nazis, the truth are they are socialsts, grown up in east germany and they hate nazis,
Dude I don't know your political leaning but I already respect it. I absolutely hate what extremists do with culture or ideals. They make any political stance they use as a pawn look bad. I realized this after I followed a communist and a nazi on Twitter by mistake. One was a normal anime and the other just had a similar sense of humor.
In the 1800:s Swedish historians made Carolus Rex(Karl XII) a national hero. Later on, in the 1900:s, the Swedish nazis and right-wingers made him a symbol. Strangely, he is a (nazi) symbol. Carolus Rex lost the Swedish empire. Carolus Rex losing and fighting a horrible war was one of the reasons why Sweden became a neutral and peaceful country for over 200years. Left-wingers in Sweden have fallen into the same trap. They see Carolus Rex as a fascist and hating foreigners. He was allied with the Ottoman empire and allowed Jewish and Muslim prayers in Sweden. Remember that Sweden was at the beginning of 1700 a Christian protestant version of an ISIS country.
@Stupid danish Yes in a way. Sweden was an extreme religious protestant country in the end of 1600. Swedish people changing religion were executed. Also the Swedish church were a propaganda and a tool to control the population in Sweden.
Indy Neidell kinda looks like your long lost Swedish brother, you both love history, your voices kinda sound similar and you really look alike it's just that hes blonde and you aren't haha
@@VloggingThroughHistory keep doing what you're doing man you're a great teacher and I believe that I speak for the community when I say we love watching and learning from your videos, god bless you and your family!
A bit late to the party.... But try talking about Engelbrekt to a swedish person and see how they take it. He has become even more of a neo-nazi symbol than Karl XII, also undeserved. I wish sabbaton would do a song about him as well. I think thats a good way of taking these important historical figures back to the nation instead of haters.
Love your channel I am a Swedish soldier and I agree with you that you should see the good in other people and there are no races there are people and skin color and people who are Jews and Christians and so on and so forth there are no races 🧡❤️💛💚💜💙🧡❤️💛💚💜💙🧡❤️💛💚💜💙🧡❤️💛💚💜💙🧡❤️💛💚💜💙🧡❤️💛💚💜💙🧡❤️💛💚💜💙🧡❤️💛💚💜💙🧡❤️💛💚💜💙🧡❤️💛💚💜💙🧡❤️💛💚💜💙🧡❤️💛💚💜💙🧡❤️💛💚💜💙🧡❤️💛💚💜💙🧡❤️💛💚💜💙
Germany has similar issues as well with historical figures. From Arminius to Frederik the Great, many figures were 're-invented' by the Nazis in the 30s and 40s and that story sticks to some today. This leads to a split of right-wingers idolizing them for the wrong reasons and others shying away from these figures because it could imply them having nationalistic views. Due to this, the common knowledge on these historic figures is fairly poor, so many do not have the knowledge to de-fraud the claims made by those with ideological motives.
Keep in mind too, that popular figures in history being painted as "Nazis" isn't a uniquely "right-wing" phenomenon. I'm sure, since you're talking about being wary of ignorance, that you're aware that this is happening due to "left-wing" ideology and groups as well, painting figures as "Nazis" or some such in an effort to discredit their legacy and achievements because they have personal beliefs about these historical figures. In some cases, it's actually the opposite, and quite hilarious. Like people claiming that Scipio Africanus was actually black - can you guess why?
I do understand the controversy about Charles 12. Even here in this channel, there seem to be some admiration for the guy. IMO he was a terrible king, probably the worst ruler in Sweden's modern history. He was a GREAT soldier and mid-level, tactical officer, he was a lousy strategist and general, and he was a disaster as a king. As a norwegian I'm glad for all of Scandinavia that we (or was it swedes?) killed him in 1718. That was the end of internal wars in Scandinavia. (Napoleonic and Second World war was external interference.)
So true!! It's annoying when I hear some people call Sabaton "neo-nazis". Calling them that just shows you that they haven't even listen to any of Sabaton's songs. Also I love their defense, claiming that the song "Ghost Division" is celebrating the Nazi's. WHAT!?! It's a song about history!! I would reply to these people with "Have you listened to Rise of Evil by Sabaton?" Because that song shows us that they aren't pro nazi.
Or "Uprising". Or "Final Solution". I swear, people are way too tribal now.
Sabaton make songs about historical warriors of all kinds. Whatever you may think about Nazism, the Wehrmacht and Luftwaffe had incredible warriors that fought just as valiantly as anyone on the side of the Allies.
@@blankeon6613 They should not have fought at all. I suppose such are the consequences of skilled propagandists:(
@@zjotheglorious Well that is what makes history interesting, everything is a long narrative to the present. If the Axis powers had won we would be saying the Allies should not have fought at all. Or if Napoleon had conquered the world, we would be typing in French.
@@zjotheglorious they weren't fighting for nazis if they weren't nazis they were fighting for their country and their sense of honor
I found your channel last week, I normally avoid reaction channels like the plague, I despise them, in fact.
But then I noticed you do other content, and *then* I decided to give your reaction videos a whirl, and I was pleasantly surprised, both because you're more knowledgeable than 90% of reaction channels on RUclips, and because you actually provide commentary that is interesting and not in-your-face and annoying.
Keep it up! Cheers from Australia!
When it came out, I thought it was the best album ever. But I was concerned that it would be hijacked by the right-wing extremists and that it would ruin it. But thankfully it became a history lesson for most swedes and even an album that made swedes proud, proud of the history but also of Sabatons success.
Fun fact: Did you know that Sweden and Denmark have fought most battles in history against each other than any other 2 nations in the world has?
Btw. I love you VTH, been here a long time and just love seeing your channel growing, keep the great work going!
But have they fought each other more than China has fought itself? LOL
@@kylewilson2819 i doubt it, hahaha
At the very least, their wars were certainly much less bloody
Ofc we've had wars constantly since forever
@@kylewilson2819 impossible 😂
I live on the island of Gotland in the middle of baltic sea. It's so cool to see this! I feel like not many poeple, specially Americans knows the place :) We also have great history with our main city Wisby!
Good old Gotland, land of the Goths. Cheers from Spain.
Omg how cool is that! I want to go there so bad. Do you have a recommendation about when during the year would be the best time to do so?
@@leonzoful dude it's called yotland in speaking nothin to do with goths
@@samuellee7751 I would say summer ( may, june, july or august ) The island is flourishing with tourists during that time and we have alot of great night life, restaurants, stores and fairs open. We actually have great beaches too if you're like to sunbathe and do that sort of stuff. And in August we have something called "medieval week" a market where people dress up and have tournaments and plays in the fashion of medieval times. Wisby is one of the best preserved medieval cities in the world so if you like history it's a must!
Allthough the winter can be absolutely beautiful if you like to take pictures and look at great scenery, we don't have that much else to do during those months as tourism slows down and it becomes a little bit of a "sleepy" place.
@Emperor Nope, it's Gotland, with a G... and there might still be a grain of connection in the name. Are you maybe thinking of Jutland (pronounced Yutland), the danish peninsula?
VTH, keep doing what you’re doing man. Before coming here I knew nothing pre 1900s and I learned so much from you. I’m from Hawaii and you gotta come back here, maybe do a video about Pearl Harbor or the Hawaiian monarchs. Anyway god bless you and your wife and kids and have a fantastic day 😊
Glad to have you along for the journey! Promised my wife we'd return to Hawaii for our 20th anniversary (which is in 2022) so it's gonna happen.
@@VloggingThroughHistory that’s awesome, congrats! 🎊 Do you think sabaton would make a Pearl Harbor song if I suggested it, maybe about Doris Miller?
@@letsgotothemax that would be a great song. They have a place on their website to submit song ideas.
@@VloggingThroughHistory I’ll check it out thanks 😊
@@letsgotothemax they have one about Midway. Close enough
I experience the same here in Germany. There's people calling Bismarck a nazi, racist etc. Its frustrating, Bismarcks is my hero and he'll always be. Period. Its just stupid
How is Bismarck a Nazi when he died before the Nazi party was even founded?
I don't get people.
@@BigAl2-u7e The people who say that Don't know what they're talking about.
@@BigAl2-u7e hech, he died before the Great War. People are ignorant or plain stupid
People who call out things and say that they're offensive/ belong to an offensive group/ offend minorities clearly do so when anything that goes against some of their beliefs, even slightly, is present in the characteristics/ personalities of said thing/ person. it is absolutely sad to see that people do not want to learn, or even LISTEN to what actual history is before hopping on the "sht's offensive" bandwagon. truly disturbing.
@@BigAl2-u7e They equate being a nationalist with being a nazi, and since both the nazis and Bismarck were nationalists they are the same.
Not accurate of course, but that's how the reasoning goes.
I absolutely love your Sabaton History videos. Keep it up! I have to admit, I've learned quite a bit from watching your videos. Definitely more than what I learned back in school.
Hey Man! Love what you do. No exageration, you're in my top 5 favorite historical RUclips channels ( that IS including documentaries channels and the sort). Would love to see you throwing us Brazilian viewers some bone in some reaction to either sabaton - smoking snakes (the song, that also has a sabaton history video explaining the context of Brazil in ww2) or the battle ou tuyuti by kings & generals. Keep It up!
Both Great War and World War Two are great and both have reaction gems I can't wait to see you cover. Indy and team do a great job with week by week coverage of the wars while keeping it digestible.
Damn, I would have liked to see that interview with Joakim destroying the journalist.
Love this!
Indeed
From a swedish perspective, we think his own men killed him because they were tired of living "a lifetime at war" another sabton song, where the lyrics are different in swedish and english. They singing form a swedish soldiers perspective in the swedish verison but its so powerful whne Joakim asked the people of gothenburg to sing wiht him. and its epic, eventhough its in swedish.
Can't wait for you to do The Lion of the North eventually
4:07 i can agree on that, I am from Czech Republic and here we learn about 30 year war a lot. It’s mainly focused on our country but it’s still a major conflict
I love your content hello from Sweden keep up the great quality videos. :)
I love you content man, keep up the great work. I highly recommend the 30 years War series from King's and Generals. Greetings from Spain
I recommend History Buffs, he just released a fresh review of Last of the Mohicans, spending most of the movie going over the history behind it and praising the good things about it which is 90% of the review.
I have a very similar philosophy to your "look for the best in people" when it comes to politics (as a person who has studied political science). The vast majority of people want a better society and honestly believe they are the "good guys." And that shared belief alone shows there is potential common ground (or at least common understanding) on most issues if a civil discussion can be had. It simply prevents a prejudging of a person's character and as history has shown prejudging almost never results in a good outcome.
Gotta love the way that "journalist" came unarmed to a battle of wits, against Joakim, of all people! Oh to have been a fly on the wall 🙂
You should do all the Videos and songs on the Carolus Rex album! Its awesome!
I love Indie Nidell he was pretty much the first history youtuber I watched on the Great War channel when I was just discovering my love for history
Kings and generals just released a video about the Battle of Fraustadt and Sabaton history also describes the battle in Killing ground and while most things are similar there is also clear differences. For instance in the Sabaton history episode Indy describes how the Swedish infantry marched under fire and unleashed their on volley at around 10 meters from the enemy, in the kings and generals video they say the swedish infantry charged without firing at all. From what I've read my sources backs up Sabaton historys version, but I can`t be sure what's right. Much is lost in history and war.
Great vid hope you do more regarding the carolus rex album
Awesome video
Apparently at the age of 16 , Charles and his brother in law Frederick IV began trolling people in Stockholm. I mean that as in literally trolling, they called it the gottorp fury (apparently one time a bear began a drunk and fell to its death in the palace)
Loved the Seinfeld reference LOL
We used a very unusual system for recruitment (at least at the time unusual)
Basically every village (I don’t remember what it’s called it’s kinda complicated) had to contribute with one soldier and a place for them to live. That also made it so the entire economy didn’t collapse since they could choose strategically and send the son of one of many farmers or that of many bakers in the village, so they didn’t loose for example their only smith and thereby all tool making capacity
I did some family history, lost 2 family members during Charles XII campaign, but he did truly defend sweden!
I am from Sweden, and my gut reaction when hearing Carolus Rex in swedish on the radio for the first time was more or less "what!? They can play neo-nazi stuff on the radio now?"
My point is that it is so ingrained in us here in Sweden that what we were and did in the late 1600/early 1700's was so bad and has been taken over by far right groups, that that's, I think, alot of swedes' reaction to hearing someone praise it. After that, in my early 30's I got alot more interested in history, and now I'm proud of our history and our accomplishments. Not that we killed alot people, but that a small country in the north of europe could do so much with so little.
Don't let the far left destroy the amazing history of your country. Sincerely, a Finn.
@@NordicFrog Isn't fascism on the far right? I thought communism was the far left...
@@justprivatelywatching0293 Fascism and communism are both very similar, in that they both are authoritarian ideologies. Nearly all early fascists were socialists first. Look at Benito Mussolini and Giovanni Gentile (and their followers), both were far-left socialists.
Mussolini and Gentile viewed fascism sort of as an evolution of socialism. Fascism was to be a workable form of socialism, where they didn't socialize property, but instead they socialized people. This is exactly how H viewed fascism as well.
Just read 'The doctrine of fascism' and you will understand exactly what they were after.
@@justprivatelywatching0293 Also I meant that don't let the leftists call swedish history fascist/racists.
Wow im Early for ones 😁 great vid 🤜🤛
Greetings from Estonia
Speaking of Sabaton's swedish songs, i would recommend you reacted to En Livstid I Krig (A Lifietime Of War). It's one of those songs which more often than not get twisted into being racist and nationalistic in a neo-nazi way.
I love seeing you react to Swedish history, please do more. I think something you would find interesting is how Sweden managed to stay neutral in ww2!
I agree with Chris's viewpoint on not assuming facts about how people basis on appearance alone, As the saying goes, "not judging a book by its cover" (or in this case an album as were talking about how a band looks!)
The inherent problem for people in “the media” is they are always judged in those terms that are presented about them. Their image can be manipulated for one aim or another for many reasons- politicians and their agents are masters of the dark art of spin-doctoring….but there not the only ones.
Some cultivate their image, even if it’s an act on their part to do very bad or criminal things (I don't like the term evil as that's a religious viewpoint)- If you need an example look up Jimmy Saville .....A man who cultivated his image as a popular jovial TV personality, was knighted for services to broadcasting and for charity work ……. but was in reality a toxic man and rapacious sex offender preying on the young and hospital patients; a man who used his “celebrity power” to evade justice and investigation in his lifetime (- much like medieval nobility avoided crime against the peasantry).
his face looks exactly the same in every painting
I also don't remember going over the 30 Years War, but I do remember going over the difference between the French and British monarchies, with the French under Louis XIV "the Sun King" being the model of absolute monarchy while the British had become the model of constitutional monarchy.
in austria our history lesson fly over before the romans, then we dig into roman history (especially the founding of Vindobonna), then we fly to the Canossa walk, then we fly to the first Habsburgs and especially later on Maximilian I. then the next big thing is the "birth" of the renaissance, then it is 30 years war (quite in detail), then it is Napoleon, then WW1, WW2 and then modern Austrian history (1945-now)
As kid Carl was hunting wolf and killed bears in chains and lived a solider life by instruction by his dead father. That to harding him for the real life as a king with lots of enemies.
The training let him win lots of battles but peace is won by the pen.
dude, and this journalist story? the local channel of nowhere where I live made an epic report when they played here
Indy nidel also has 2 other channels one is called time ghost and the other is called world war 2
If it wasn't for sabaton I would never be interested in this story, I was never taught absolutely anything about the history of Sweden in high school and college.
Another great Sabaton song about Charles XII is Long live the King, their is also a Sabaton history to boot.
Sabaton is one of my favorite bands, with Carolus Rex being my favorite of their albums, both English and Swedish. It is funny that I never new that neo-nazis have co-opted that man until now.
Thanks for doing something with swedish history :D ! You should Apsoluty do a video on Gustavus adolphus/ Gustav II Adolf, the Lion from the north! My favorit swedish king!
With Indy hearing from the one person saying "are you sure you want to work with them, don't they support neo-Nazi's". I once saw a comment on a clip on a video that used a little bit of a sabaton song and the clip said "sabaton is propaganda" which is completely false, just because they sing about military history does not mean its propaganda. The definition of propaganda is "information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view." And in one of the sabaton history videos they say that sabaton has nothing to do with propaganda.
The powder keg of Europe is Europe. That's why even the 30yrs war blends in to a rich background. The World War series really caught peoples attention but even by then we'd been exporting it for a while. Ask literally anywhere on Earth, we eventually became everyone else's problem.
TY, TY, TY!!!!
How about the saga of Justinian and Theodora by Extra History sometimes in the future
Charles the 12th is the original Chuck Norris. Also, I know you say your family is from East Kentucky. I live in Pike County, KY. I am related to both the Hatfields and McCoys and would love for you to do my genealogy one day.
That's how you know a true person of knowledge. That's why I like you so much.
"Science adjusts it's views based of what's observed. Faith is denial of observation so that belief may be preserved".
If you show me how something happens and provide evidence to support that, then I will change my mind. I won't stand by my statement, trying to look serious, but in reality making a bigger fool of myself.
Hey, if you need a translator for French I am here. I know it with near fluency...just let me know hahahahahahaha I have to say I am envious of you getting to go at the beginning of the year
Nazi is such a throw away term no its sad
One little point to be made. Sweden was not an absolut monarchy at the time. Because when Gustav II Adolphus father.. Charles IX died.. Gustav II Adolphus was not at age to take the throne. So to go around this.. He was more or less forced to sign the "Kungaförsäkran" which lit. forced the king to give up most of his power to the nobles. It was later reformed in to the ministries and the up and lower chambers of the richtag. In return to was given the throne.
Good luck with your visit. Been there, miles upon miles of graves, thats just the remains they found. Then the remorial to those with no known grave. Its so sad. Reality hits you in the face.
Hey Chris, I have been a subscriber for a while now ever since I first came across your channel and I wanted to buy some merch. I was wondering I you have a black Friday sale?
Im a Swede and i for one have gone deep into history of not only Sweden but many countries. As Pär said Carolus Rex has been a frontfigure for nationalistic pride which in my mind is ok BUT not when its neonazis promoting the status. There is a band called Ultima Thule for example which many considere neonazis during the 90's but they actually werent however the stigma stuck to them. They are infact anti nazis. I met them and i know. The fun fact that nazis doesnt know because they dont always delve into history is that Carolus Rex was a great promotor of foreign cultures and invited alot of worlds experts into sweden. Shipbuilders from netherlands, german aristocrats, french advisors and faculty teachers on university so on. What made Sweden great was the unification of alot of nations people. Ignorance is both on the left and right of todays society. National pride or such is not automatically neonazism.
Could you maybe also react to Carolean Prayers from sabaton and the history video? It’s about the Carolean army of Sweden I think you’d learn something and it would be interesting to hear what you have to say.
It’s a very underrated song and I think it would be great to hear your knowledge on it and if there is stuff you don’t know then you might learn.
Judge the people by its character, also said by Calderon de la Barca in XVII century: ... in which nobody should expect to be prefered by the inherited nobility but by that which one adquires; because here blood is exceeded by the place one makes himself and without looking at his birth, he is regarded by how he acts...
Yeah , Joakim is one that are big , but cuddly , however don't make them angry, that journalist is lucky he is still alive, after facing angry bear Joakim.
There were at least two evening papers in Sweden who gave the Carolus Rex album the lowest score they could. Even admitting to not having listened to the album, but they weren't even going to give a Neo-Nazi album the benefit of the doubt. They also didn't wan to be associated with having listened to it.
It's really messed up, but it is a view many have. When we allow history to be claimed this way by Neo-Nazi's and the like, we only let them win.
And then they give prizes to actual criminal gang rappers, their hypocrisy knowns no bounds.
About Carolus Rex's persona being hijacked by the neo-nazis, it's bad when it happens to dead people, but in Poland we have the same exact problem with the resistance members of the Warsaw Uprising, fascists parade them around as role models, but guess what, they only do that with the dead resistance members, because they can't speak against it anymore.
Some resistance members are still alive, and every time they speak out, that no polish citizen should face persecution, those "patriots" just hand wave all of that away by saying "oh, they are just old and demented, they don't know what they are talking about".
I can't imagine how it must feel to see your friends and loved ones die in the name of freedom and equality only to see that those loved ones now became mascots of the neo-nazis that call themselves patriots. People that claim to "honor" the resistance members are saying stuff like "Poland shall be white or desolate", or people who wear a polish anchor symbol on their shirts beating up people at pride parades, how fucked up is that?
Gotta love those wacky Swedes! :D
Well journalists are not worth much these days, seems all they do is report what someone else reported on, i would be ashamed if i came to interview someone and i had no damn clue.
No damn pride left for doing a good job.
When is the continuation of the napoleon series coming out?
There is the same stupid misinterpetaion about vikings here in Norway.
There is sceptisim to the use of runes because «you can be connetected to neo nazism».
That said, I love sabaton and listen to them a lot.
It would be wonderful, if every time we got a history lesson, they would give us the real name of the figures, as they were named during the epoch.
Hey.. I have to say this. I was 8 when Columbine happend. I live in Sweden so i had never heard of it until like....10 years ago? I watched alot of documentarys about it because i think its something that needs to be remembered. When i think about Columbine, i think about Shoeles. Not just him, but he always comes to mind. Everytime. That someone had to trough the hate that he got just before he got shot. I dont remember hearing much about Rachel, im so sorry about that. I would really love to hear you speak about her. Maybe here or in a Discord voicechat with people that are interested. I allways listen to what you have to say. And thank you for checking our old kings and just the kingdom itself and actually showing interest in it. If you ever are in Southern Sweden (Skåne, Lower parts of Småland) i would love to have a chat with you just about history. Ive learned so much from Sabaton and ive improved because of you. Thank you for this channel.
Coming to France in January already, wow! If you plan on visiting Verdun could aswel have a peak at Luxembourg. I'm sure I don't have to tell you whose famous grave is here ;)
Yep, it's in the plans. Belleau Wood, The Argonne, Verdun, Luxembourg, Bastogne, then either Waterloo or the Somme.
Love this song but to keep in context. For many years the neonazis in Sweden marched through the streets at 30th of Novemeber (CXII day of death) and people got killed. So they made him a symbol of Swedish might and greatness compared to filfthy immigrants. This is the problem we face today but Carolus XII should only be blamed to have loss the empire, a tragic saga. It took like 150 years for Sweden to get back...
Long live the King! Sabaton
Indy is everywhere and everything. Like Elvis
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In these particular times, I absolutely understand Charles XII's extreme brutality in the face of political opposition and doubt being cast towards his authority. As was stated earlier, Charles was _right_ on the edge of whether or not he would've had a Regent acting in his stead, and those regencies were known for abusing their power, exploiting and weakening the state for their own gain, so if that had happened to Charles he would inherit a severely deprived Sweden instead of the one his father left him. He simply could _not_ allow there to be any attempt to delegitimize his rule as soon as he took the throne.
I'm not saying that these kinds of actions or reactions are the right thing to do, I'm simply saying that at this particular point in European history and in Charles' exact circumstances, those were probably the only realistic decisions and actions he could've made to stay King for long instead of being discredited.
I remember when I got into sabaton and I really like their carolus rex album since I'm swedish and I and my mom started saying like "well many neo nazis look up to him so he must've been racist". Both me and my dad just glared at her for a minute. She also called rammstein nazis cause she thought they sound like them, well, because they're GERMAN.
Please react to more sabaton songs and history videos on Swedish history.
I live in Sweden, in the very southern part Skåne/Scania... i e former Denmark. During my school years some teachers had a very hard time balancing between who "we" were back in the days. Who won in the battle of Lund for example? "We" or "them"? :)
I also remember not really believing that the swedish army was as strong as it was compared to other european forces. I've learned since, but that is what 200 years of peace does to your view on things I guess.
I kind of disagree about the angle presented about the association between the Karl XII and the Swedish nationalist movement. Our political class has in the last 50-60 years tried to frame the whole era of the Swedish Empire as something horrible and shameful, since it displays Swedish power, assertiveness and an aggresive expansion of Swedish culture throughout the baltic region. IF you want to be able to control a people the leaders needed to downplay and ridicule powerful figures in our own history to make us not get any ideas of pride and a feeling of cultural supremacy. Because of this stigma forcibly attached it left the field open for it to be adopted by other forces within society. The Swedish politicians that bitch about this only have themselves to blame.
The king seems to have been a very tolerant person and pretty multicultural as well. Here's some facts regarding that: Charles XII let the muslims and jews who had followed him from the Ottoman Empire to Sweden practice their own religions instead of forcefully converting them to protestantism upon arrival. He let them stay and live in Sweden instead of sending them back to the Ottoman Empire. He also had many non-Swedish allies such as the Ukrainian cossacks under Ivan Mazepa. And the kings army had many soldiers and generals from all over the Swedish kingdom as well as from beyond the borders of the realm. They had Scottish generals (Leslie, Spense and Hamilton), Finnish cavalry regements (the hakkapeliita), and so on. The king himself wasnt even fully Swedish. Taking all this into account makes it even more ridiculous when some right-wing extremist group tries to claim him as "their guy" or when some left-wing extremists and some journalists tries to cancel a band for making songs about him, or cancel people for listening to those songs, because, according to them, "Charles XII was basically a nazi/fascist/racist". No you douchebags! Charles XII wasnt a nazi or a fascist or whatever, those ideologies where not even a thing back then. He was probably what we today would call a conservative and a patriot because obviously. I mean he's a monarch so what else would he be? And people can admire him, see him as a national hero, wright songs about him or listen to songs about him without being some sort of hyper-nationalist or nazi. And also the singer in Sabaton, Joakim, is partially non-Swedish (half Czech) so i highly doubt he (or Sabaton as a whole for that matter) would have some sort of ultra right wing, Swedish neo-nazi agenda. Jesus freaking christ, man... Sorry for the rant but this whole thing has me all worked-up and i had to get it out of my system.
Seriously. How hard is it to judge a person by what they do and say.
It’s not. But people sure enjoy doing it.
Please listen to caroleans prayer it’s amazing
After reading some of my first novel my brother, who has a bachelor's degree in philosophy, called me a fascist. I was initially insulted until I looked up the definition. The philosophical root of fascism is the belief that what is good for the group, or I would say the team, is what is good for every individual on the team. Perhaps not at that precise moment but in the long term. All the totalitarian trappings are as repulsive to me as anyone else raised in this country. I do believe that Jesus would have agreed that you should put others needs first and if everyone does all are better off. It, of course, only takes one selfish twit to screw it all up for everybody.
The best reaction ever!!!! Of couse Sabaton dont have anything to do with any nazis. Some people thinks Rammstein are nazis, the truth are they are socialsts, grown up in east germany and they hate nazis,
Day one of asking for Decisive Battles
Am I correct to say he was a true God-King similar to a Pharaoh?
Dude I don't know your political leaning but I already respect it. I absolutely hate what extremists do with culture or ideals. They make any political stance they use as a pawn look bad. I realized this after I followed a communist and a nazi on Twitter by mistake. One was a normal anime and the other just had a similar sense of humor.
Should defo react to fraustat
Finally sabaton history and Swedish history on top of it. Nice
henry 2 by timeline world histories
In the 1800:s Swedish historians made Carolus Rex(Karl XII) a national hero. Later on, in the 1900:s, the Swedish nazis and right-wingers made him a symbol. Strangely, he is a (nazi) symbol. Carolus Rex lost the Swedish empire. Carolus Rex losing and fighting a horrible war was one of the reasons why Sweden became a neutral and peaceful country for over 200years. Left-wingers in Sweden have fallen into the same trap. They see Carolus Rex as a fascist and hating foreigners. He was allied with the Ottoman empire and allowed Jewish and Muslim prayers in Sweden. Remember that Sweden was at the beginning of 1700 a Christian protestant version of an ISIS country.
@Stupid danish Yes in a way. Sweden was an extreme religious protestant country in the end of 1600. Swedish people changing religion were executed. Also the Swedish church were a propaganda and a tool to control the population in Sweden.
@Stupid danish Sweden was extreme even compared to other countries. I used ISIS as a measurement.
But I don't wanna be a pirate!!! Hahaha
I'm a huge history fan but as a girl, I often find it difficult for people to take me seriously. Any tips?
Indy Neidell kinda looks like your long lost Swedish brother, you both love history, your voices kinda sound similar and you really look alike it's just that hes blonde and you aren't haha
I’ll take that!
@@VloggingThroughHistory keep doing what you're doing man you're a great teacher and I believe that I speak for the community when I say we love watching and learning from your videos, god bless you and your family!
A bit late to the party....
But try talking about Engelbrekt to a swedish person and see how they take it. He has become even more of a neo-nazi symbol than Karl XII, also undeserved. I wish sabbaton would do a song about him as well. I think thats a good way of taking these important historical figures back to the nation instead of haters.
Love your channel I am a Swedish soldier and I agree with you that you should see the good in other people and there are no races there are people and skin color and people who are Jews and Christians and so on and so forth there are no races
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In this house Charles XII is a hero, end of story!
Could you react to Pearl Harbor Minute by Minute by The World War Two Channel.
pewdiepie looks good with long hair and a beard
Germany has similar issues as well with historical figures. From Arminius to Frederik the Great, many figures were 're-invented' by the Nazis in the 30s and 40s and that story sticks to some today. This leads to a split of right-wingers idolizing them for the wrong reasons and others shying away from these figures because it could imply them having nationalistic views. Due to this, the common knowledge on these historic figures is fairly poor, so many do not have the knowledge to de-fraud the claims made by those with ideological motives.
As a Swede I hate how extreme right people have taken Carolus Rex as their symbol they have completely ruined his character in Sweden.
Keep in mind too, that popular figures in history being painted as "Nazis" isn't a uniquely "right-wing" phenomenon. I'm sure, since you're talking about being wary of ignorance, that you're aware that this is happening due to "left-wing" ideology and groups as well, painting figures as "Nazis" or some such in an effort to discredit their legacy and achievements because they have personal beliefs about these historical figures.
In some cases, it's actually the opposite, and quite hilarious. Like people claiming that Scipio Africanus was actually black - can you guess why?
I do understand the controversy about Charles 12. Even here in this channel, there seem to be some admiration for the guy. IMO he was a terrible king, probably the worst ruler in Sweden's modern history. He was a GREAT soldier and mid-level, tactical officer, he was a lousy strategist and general, and he was a disaster as a king. As a norwegian I'm glad for all of Scandinavia that we (or was it swedes?) killed him in 1718. That was the end of internal wars in Scandinavia. (Napoleonic and Second World war was external interference.)