Hi. Love the channel. I’m just getting started on this whole thing. What is up with these hook numbers? 3567b? I assume that’s just an overpriced #4. Anyways, cool pattern. I’m learning a lot.
Thanks! So hook manufacturers have different shaped hooks…. A number 4 your referring to I think you mean the size. But some hook manufacturers use numbers also to distinguish between hook shapes as well. For instance a long shank streamer hook from tiemco is called a 300…. A standard dry fly is called a 100, 100b for instance would be a barbless dry fly hook. Hope that helps
Nice fly, I tie mine with two rabbit strips one for the tail with the regular zonkers and one for the body with the cross cut strips. I would agree there is more hair on yours when finished. Sometimes I take the crosscut and put it in a dubbing loop, or make dubbing brushes with them, eliminating the weight of the hide altogether. Then mine are as thick as I want to make them. All the best and thanks for sharing. Sean
+Sean Mooney Yes, you could do it that way. The cross cut will lay flatter on the hook and give more of a leech pattern. I tie my large bass leeches that way. In fact, I think that is called something else (rabbit leech, or something like that). For simple small shad imitators though, I tie it this way. It cuts out a bunch of steps, and wastes less material. Makes for a much quicker tied fly. I can tie these in 3 minutes flat and that means lots of them per hour. I also like the way the regular zonker strips flair out a bit and create a more bulky looking fly. Another way I have seen this tied is with a marabou tail, and the cross cut palmering. I don't have too much of a problem with bulk. I usually cast this fly with a 6-7 weight rod. I am usually fishing bass with it. My bass rod is a little over 8 foot, and pretty stiff. It casts just fine even after getting weighted down. I also find that this will felt less easily than the cross cut. I don't know if its cause the hairs are separated from each other more or what, but my large bass leeches tend to end up felting within half a day trip (if I don't loose them sooner) I usually cast my leeches super close to reeds and logs, and I am not always 100% accurate with my casts. HAHA
Yeah, I know you said they were bass flies. Frankly, I am always hearing tiers say they are trying to reduce bulk. I have always been a spin caster fisherman. I took up fly tying as a hobby because I have a terminally ill wife I care for in our home. So I can't go fishing so I have never cast my own flies. I am accurate but don't know how my form is teaching myself in the yard! Thanks for all that information, it really helps! All the best, Sean
+Sean Mooney I am so sorry to hear about your wife. I will keep you and your family in my prayers. They are bass flies for me. People do also use these for salmon and large trout in lake, but usually with the same weight rods. I have other flies I use for trout in lakes though. Honestly your way of tying the fly is better, and less bulk is better for 90% of situations. However I also like the idea of reducing the time taken to tie flies, and tying it this way really does drop the amount of steps, and steps equal time. I will be adding some fly casting lessons on here in the near future as well. I have partnered with my local fly guide. I have been doing some marketing work for him over the years (marketing and design work is my background). He agreed to shoot some fly casting lessons with me, he wants them up on his channel, but he said I can have them on mine as well. So I will let you know when I have those, it should help you refine your cast. He helped me quite a bit with mine a while back. Every time I go out fishing with him he always gives me some good pointers even now. Im decent, but nothing like him. When I say accurate I mean reallllly accurate. 95% of the time I can get my fly within a 6" circle. But for bass fishing, you want these flies right up in the holes in weeds, or right under a log. I am trying to put my fly within a 1-2" margin most of my casts. I loose a few generally. HAHA When I do that type of fishing I will also put a weed guard on this. It helps when I mess up. I used to gear fish for bass quite often, even entered in a few tournaments. So when I started fly fishing, I just migrated my technique of pitching the weeds to casting flies. It was really frustrating at first, but with practice I was able to hit the marks most of the time.
Thanks that is really encouraging. Since I have invested so much into the tying aspect of the sport, I might as well learn the other 2/3 of it so I can use the flies. I will never break even but the pleasure means a lot, especially now. It keeps me dreaming about fishing. All the best, God Bless. Sean
I add flash quite often yeah... Just sometimes, to save time, and tie up a ton, I will leave it out and keep it simple like this. Glad you like it, thanks! :)
At the time it was a Cannon 600 something... I forgot the exact model number but it was a hand held camera with a 30x optical zoom, which made for a decent tying camera, especially since it was only $200 new (I got it for $100 on eBay used). Lately, my father let me borrow his Sony A6000 which is a bit better quality. But its like $600 for the camera and lens kit. So, above my pay grade. HAHA
I hear you! I was hoping it wasn't out of this galaxy expensive! Image quality is good and no annoying refocusing of the lense. I might look for one used. Thanks. Tight lines
I just saw this, and instantly tied one with a zonked squirrel skin. Excellent!!
Thanks
Hi. Love the channel. I’m just getting started on this whole thing. What is up with these hook numbers? 3567b? I assume that’s just an overpriced #4.
Anyways, cool pattern. I’m learning a lot.
Thanks! So hook manufacturers have different shaped hooks…. A number 4 your referring to I think you mean the size. But some hook manufacturers use numbers also to distinguish between hook shapes as well. For instance a long shank streamer hook from tiemco is called a 300…. A standard dry fly is called a 100, 100b for instance would be a barbless dry fly hook. Hope that helps
Nice fly, I tie mine with two rabbit strips one for the tail with the regular zonkers and one for the body with the cross cut strips. I would agree there is more hair on yours when finished. Sometimes I take the crosscut and put it in a dubbing loop, or make dubbing brushes with them, eliminating the weight of the hide altogether. Then mine are as thick as I want to make them. All the best and thanks for sharing. Sean
+Sean Mooney Yes, you could do it that way. The cross cut will lay flatter on the hook and give more of a leech pattern. I tie my large bass leeches that way. In fact, I think that is called something else (rabbit leech, or something like that). For simple small shad imitators though, I tie it this way. It cuts out a bunch of steps, and wastes less material. Makes for a much quicker tied fly. I can tie these in 3 minutes flat and that means lots of them per hour. I also like the way the regular zonker strips flair out a bit and create a more bulky looking fly. Another way I have seen this tied is with a marabou tail, and the cross cut palmering.
I don't have too much of a problem with bulk. I usually cast this fly with a 6-7 weight rod. I am usually fishing bass with it. My bass rod is a little over 8 foot, and pretty stiff. It casts just fine even after getting weighted down. I also find that this will felt less easily than the cross cut. I don't know if its cause the hairs are separated from each other more or what, but my large bass leeches tend to end up felting within half a day trip (if I don't loose them sooner) I usually cast my leeches super close to reeds and logs, and I am not always 100% accurate with my casts. HAHA
Yeah, I know you said they were bass flies. Frankly, I am always hearing tiers say they are trying to reduce bulk. I have always been a spin caster fisherman. I took up fly tying as a hobby because I have a terminally ill wife I care for in our home. So I can't go fishing so I have never cast my own flies. I am accurate but don't know how my form is teaching myself in the yard! Thanks for all that information, it really helps! All the best, Sean
+Sean Mooney I am so sorry to hear about your wife. I will keep you and your family in my prayers.
They are bass flies for me. People do also use these for salmon and large trout in lake, but usually with the same weight rods. I have other flies I use for trout in lakes though. Honestly your way of tying the fly is better, and less bulk is better for 90% of situations. However I also like the idea of reducing the time taken to tie flies, and tying it this way really does drop the amount of steps, and steps equal time.
I will be adding some fly casting lessons on here in the near future as well. I have partnered with my local fly guide. I have been doing some marketing work for him over the years (marketing and design work is my background). He agreed to shoot some fly casting lessons with me, he wants them up on his channel, but he said I can have them on mine as well. So I will let you know when I have those, it should help you refine your cast. He helped me quite a bit with mine a while back. Every time I go out fishing with him he always gives me some good pointers even now. Im decent, but nothing like him.
When I say accurate I mean reallllly accurate. 95% of the time I can get my fly within a 6" circle. But for bass fishing, you want these flies right up in the holes in weeds, or right under a log. I am trying to put my fly within a 1-2" margin most of my casts. I loose a few generally. HAHA When I do that type of fishing I will also put a weed guard on this. It helps when I mess up. I used to gear fish for bass quite often, even entered in a few tournaments. So when I started fly fishing, I just migrated my technique of pitching the weeds to casting flies. It was really frustrating at first, but with practice I was able to hit the marks most of the time.
Thanks that is really encouraging. Since I have invested so much into the tying aspect of the sport, I might as well learn the other 2/3 of it so I can use the flies. I will never break even but the pleasure means a lot, especially now. It keeps me dreaming about fishing. All the best, God Bless. Sean
do you need crosscut strips for this?
No...
Some flash on the side and she's a beauty.
I add flash quite often yeah... Just sometimes, to save time, and tie up a ton, I will leave it out and keep it simple like this. Glad you like it, thanks! :)
What camera do you use for your videos? Thanks!!!
At the time it was a Cannon 600 something... I forgot the exact model number but it was a hand held camera with a 30x optical zoom, which made for a decent tying camera, especially since it was only $200 new (I got it for $100 on eBay used). Lately, my father let me borrow his Sony A6000 which is a bit better quality. But its like $600 for the camera and lens kit. So, above my pay grade. HAHA
I hear you! I was hoping it wasn't out of this galaxy expensive! Image quality is good and no annoying refocusing of the lense. I might look for one used. Thanks. Tight lines
+Donald Austin you can do some settings for the refocus, it allows for manual focus which I did, but it just took a bit longer to setup.
Great idea
+TheKennyg123 thanks!