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"I thought you were a genocidal nazi, but later found out you're just a nice normal guy"
Many such cases on this platform
Nazis, why does it always have to be Nazis?
To be fair to Thomas Kincaid, art critics are some of the most pretentious, self-important douchebags on the planet. They got mad at people finding peace and pleasant feelings at paintings of pretty cottages.
I can describe some people like that, when I went to art school. I'm glad I left that place.
"Vat? Zis canvas is not smeared with shit and piss, how can I extract any meaning from zis!"
Yep. I paid for art school, and regret it.
In fact, I believe Austrian moustache man would have come out worse if he was accepted at art school.
Finally! RUclips allows widescreen formats on their shorts. I always hated how they looked on my monitor.
a w for all,
devils advocate tho,
that’d just be a RUclips Clip then
Took me a sec but then I snorted loudly. Thx for that
Same
Lol
This took me a while
Son: "Mum, here's a postcard with a neat cottage on it!"
Ye olde mum: "Ptuh! You probably voted for Bush!"
Son: "..."
Lol, seriously though it's so surreal that people suffered from that level of political brain-rot even back then
@@happynihilist2573 Yep =/
Same sh!t, different day.
I think Fringy nailed it when he said fans of the Disney Star Wars show will rewrite whatever decision the story makes to seem more meaningful
That was obvious.....
@@smd1876 yeah, but it's nice to see it put into words so concisely
And then the story will contadict their attempts to fix it and they will ask what's going on...
@@HerohammerStudiosAlso it’s not obvious when we have people like Grace Randolph and Star Wars Theory say the problem was that their wasn’t more recognizable characters then say Andor isn’t Star Wars
@@HectorLopez0217 I have nothing but contempt for people like those two.
"The most hated artist you probably recognize" is probably my *favorite* new way of saying "austrian painter turned poltician"
It'd also be correct to say "combat veteran turned statesman."
@@apocryphicdeath Austrian war veteran with artistic ambitions wins election
You dare call yourself a Long Man with those measly 3 hours? Next, you're going to tell me that you don't hate women too! Was any of what you told us true, Longoid?!
Mauler: “I lied, as I have from the very beginning”
LOL. Thank you.
I think the extreme hatred some people have for Kinkade's work shows just how influenced people are by outside forces when deciding how they feel about a work of art. I can't imagine the same level of hostility if we didn't know anything about his personal life or beliefs.
They just hate the wholesomeness and humble simplicity of it.
These kind of people (spiritual far leftists) love the feeling of pride brought by a false sense of sophistication.
They fume at the sight of real art, but show them a shapeless vomit in a frame and they'll go "How bold, brave and stunning!".
My parents seemingly ONLY bought kinkade paintings and they've always struck me as "nice" like it's a painting you can hang in your house to say you have a painting in your house. There's nothing offensive about them at all
I know nothing about his personal life. Would I buy his paintings? no, they are to pink for me but they are just nice and I don't judge people that like them.
It's really funny to me that people hated kinkaid for making paintings that are unrealistic to the real world by being too "happy".
I literally became an artist as a coping mechanism for how crappy my life was (and still kinda is tbh). Painting peaceful landscapes is how I dealt with depression for a while. Calling art like that soul-less is just ignorant.
If it works, continue. Those people perhaps can't even realise what being simply happy is, or that others can reach happiness in different ways.
They sound like the kind of people who wouldn't smile watching Bob Ross paint
I had the same thought about the paintings being his coping mechanism or escapism. Art is such a great emotional outlet, and it doesn't always look obvious in the work.
I've had something similar. My art teacher always gave me bad grades because my paintings "didn't have enough conflict" lol
Bitch I have enough conflict in my real life and would really like to see something harmonious 😂
Anyway, hope your art can help you feel better and your situation improves soon
They'll call these paintings soulless, but then a pure white canvas or random paint splatters are true works of art.
So he was unapologetically Christian, openly not left-wing, not a pretentious snob and wanted art to be accessible to everyone while making a buck from it?
Yeah, that'll do it.
I'm a Christian and I will say Kincaid had an ego and used God for his own benefit, but at least he was putting effort into his art and was wanting people to enjoy it too.
I think it was just a bunch of pretentious people upset at the fact that they can’t gatekeep art as effectively since Kinkade appealed to everyone. No longer was it just a splattered canvas that they could laugh at you for not knowing that it represented the struggles of alcoholism. I’m sure his political beliefs also led to people hating him since a lot of artists tend to be more left leaning and with politics you’re either my ally or you’re my enemy. There’s no longer a sense of agreeing to disagree.
2:45:47 Funnily enough, Better Call Saul succeeded in trying everything Disney failed to do so
- Being experimental: Shifting from a colorful normal pace prequel to a colorless slow pace sequel was such a ballsy move but the story linked up really well.
- Being a good prequel without plot holes: Things that led up to Breaking Bad makes sense.
- Strong female characters: Not just Kim Wexler but also Marion as well (a story about an old lady who called the cops on Jimmy is somehow more exciting than the entire screen time of a warrior like Ahsoka).
- Worldbuilding: The events mostly took place in one city of Albuquerque but it made one city feels so big. Just look at the scene of Howard and Lalo. It feels like two different shows being combined into one.
- Adequate amount of fan service: Walter and Jesse nostalgia bait cameo might slow down the story a little bit, but it really gave more context to the events in Breaking Bad. The first one showed how Jimmy was more instrumental to the rise of Heisenberg than we first thought. The second one showed how Jesse was introduced to Saul Goodman via Kim. The final one showed how Jimmy repeated his own abusive relationship he once had with his brother with Walter.
By the end of the series Kim became one of my favorite characters in TV. Drinker should bring her up as an example of a strong female character that's more contemporary because she is phenomenal.
@@The1337guy1I heard Drinker saw the first few eps of BCS S1 when it aired and wasn't a big fan so didn't continue watching it.
@@ramert32 Shame cause he's missing out big time.
Also balancing humor and drama without conflicting tones. Very few pieces of media can pull it off.
My family got a Kincade lithograph at home. It’s lovely. I’m not going to stare at it and think of the artist’s background controversies. I’m going to stare at it and feel at ease.
Is that not a mark of good artwork?
Yes. Art that instantly appeals to people is good.
"Modern art" is garbage.
@@zogwort1522 Bullshit. Ugly, subversive, nonsensical and cubistic scribbles that requires you to know the intricate history behind the artists suffering in the holocaust to be enjoyable is not art. It is masturbation for a small clique of degenerates.
@@zogwort1522 if we're talking about "modern art" like in the previous EFAP episode, not sure if that's even the case.
@@zogwort1522 To be fair, colloquialism is a thing, for better and for worse. Even in said video, we got to see an example of a decent "modern art", being the robot hand mopping up its 'blood'.
But the *lore*
If art is meant to be challenging, then I see Kincaide's art as challenging the artistic norms of the time he lived in.
Moreover, I think if you were to ask the people who like Kincaid's art - the word that most encapsulates the feeling it gives them is the welsh word Hiraeth - which is a longing or nostalgia for a place from their childhood which may not exist. That is an emotion with far more depth than anything I have ever "felt" in a modern art gallery.
Now, it might be fair to say that Kincaide was exploiting an "easy" market, but it is not fair to say that the emotions the people felt while looking at his art were "cheap".
I've heard the "art is meant to challenge" argument before. Michael Moorcock once used it against Tolkien. Heck, Patrick Willems used it back in EFAP #2 against internet critics. And I've found that the people who condemn works for not "challenging" audiences almost never self-apply the argument. For instance: if Kincade's art promotes ideals that his critics don't value, but he does, then is he not challenging _them?_ Yes, he technically is, and that's the _real_ problem they have with him: he isn't using his art to spread whatever message THEY want him to.
When a critic opines about how something is bad because it isn't challenging its audience, 9 times out of 10 what they _really_ mean it's that it's not trying to get YOU to think more like THEM. It's an extremely elitist argument carefully phrased to sound more magnanimous.
@@JustAnArrogantAlien I heard that exact same argument used against Jay Leno back in the day, when he was more popular than a certain other host. It seems to be an argument you hear a lot from pretentious folks, usually against someone who is popular with a more "lower class" segment of the population.
@@berserkasaurusrex4233 The reality is that art is all about chasing trends. Whenever an artist becomes "big" there are always people copying their style because they know that similar works of art will have market value. And while there is definitely an element of elitism at play, I think another factor is plain and simple jealousy. Crab pot mentality, there are always going to be people who hate when others succeed.
@@JustAnArrogantAlien This is one reason why I have always tried to have an actual critical eye when it comes to "popular art". You shouldn't hate a thing just because it is popular. Like Michael Bay movies. I have issues with the writing, acting, cgi, sound editing, etc etc - I don't hate the movies because they are popular - I hate them because I feel there are too many elements that don't work.
That's why the mainstream critiques of Kincaide's work are bad - because they aren't even focused on the art, but on the meta-context of the art. Critics hate the people the art appeals to, therefore they hate the art. That's a bad way to be a critic.
@@olehoncho "The reality is that art is all about chasing trends." - A sweeping statement that is staggering in its fallacy of simplification. Some artists chase trends. That is as far as that goes.
What's funny is that the vast majority of people with Kinkade arts in their homes have no idea about the man behind it but the political slobs on the internet considered him a fuel of culture wars.
To them, anyone not doing exactly as they want at all times, is waging war on them.
Many such cases with the "Everything is political" crowd. Miserable wretches.
It’s going to be a hard sell to convince me that Thomas Kincade is the most hated when there is a long list of actors, musicians, and visual artists who do, um, very demonetizable things.
Yeah, I thought he was one of those shit heads who just painted a single red square and then the tax fraud 'appraised' it for 40 million dollars. This guy just paints nice Bob Ross style pictures. Great.
If I made a list of the 1000th most unbearable artists he wouldn't even make the list.
*"Brave and beautiful" things
Art elite: * casual felony *
Kincade: * paints too many pictures cabins *
I assume Kincade's title comes from being most hated by those artists most hated by the rest of the world.
I recall a watercolor painter in the mid 20th century.
"Kitsch" is actually a German word. It's a derogatory term and means something similar to "random stuff", and generally describes exactly the kinda "stuff" that you buy at a flea market for a couple bucks and stuff it into your house with no real rhyme or reason.
Definitions - Kitsch: A word created by miserable modern aristocratic and obnoxious rich Americans who hate others and art that brings happiness and joy. Just looked it up
@@The_Primary_Axiom Yeah, that's definitely a neutral definition. Also, not created by Americans, as I said, it's a German word.
@@darkbum1510 I know lol.
Them Germans sneakily colonizing other languages smh
@@j-starchaser I know you're making a joke, but do you realize how fucked the entirety of the English language is? How intensely latinised and romanised it is? Same with all Indo-Germanic languages, btw.
Timestamps
0:00 Dark Souls
0:57 Spoiler & Mods
3:15 Welcome
4:18 Today’s guest
24:30 Today’s Topic
25:50 Video Start
30:17 Hating
34:30 The Story
41:45 Kitsch
45:32 Bob Ross
54:05 Style, Image & Business
1:00:47 Death
1:10:00 Politics
1:12:18 Critical Response & Legacy
1:33:53 Video Ending
1:37:00 Closing The Journey
1:39:05 Efapping
1:41:50 Ashoka
1:51:48 Faloni vs Snyder
1:56:50 IGN (1)
2:22:50 Marvel
2:28:15 IGN (2)
2:45:50 Mauler’s Therapy Session
2:48:15 IGN (3)
2:54:50 IGN: Rating
3:00:10 Loki
3:03:00 Closing
Clone wars was produced by George Lucas not filoni, I'll keep repeating this until someone on efap glances at their vomment section and see it... Jesus, how did everyone in the west deceive themselves into believing it belongs to filoni???
1:26:58 "Empire arrives in time for Christmas."
Timestamp man good
Thanks chum 🥂
"It's all 'happy little accidents' until you got AIDS."
-Gay Pinto Walsh
Filloni did it, he singlehandedly extinguished any remaining investment I had on Ashoka as a character in a spam of 10+ years, retroactively making me regret ever getting invested in Clone Wars in the first place, this sucks :/
Felt this comment in my soul. Watched clone wars as a kid and loved it, but as an adult I can recognise its bad, however Ahsoka has tainted that experience and memory I had of it as a kid.
@@This_Is_Something i love the clone stuff but it definitely has problems
Now imagine that but x1000000. That’s how it felt to lose Luke, Han, Leia and Chewie.
Ashoka made sure the average watcher never watches another starwars show again. You now have to be a die hard Starwars fan, reviewer, masochist or have no taste to watch Disney starwars shows. Andor was the only good Starwars show. That and mando season 1. I didn’t even like season 2 as much as 1.
For me Ahsoka's died from Vader in Rebels season 2.
So glad that Solar Sands finally got on EFAP.
RE: Fallout New Vegas and mods, you're probably going to want at minimum the unofficial patch mod, but all that does is address objective mistakes in the game.
For example theres a perk that is functionally useless due to a coding error. You want that fixed to actually get the intended experience.
I’ve never understood this argument that “true art” has to be “challenging” for the viewer/audience. I do see merit in judging an ARTIST on their technical skills, but in no way does a piece of media have to “challenge” an audience to be considered art.
Imagine a guy teaching this in culinary school. Cooking is art, and you must always serve food that's “challenging” to digest
I'm not even sure technical difficulty in the production of the art is always a factor either: some of the greatest pieces of music ever written are remarkably simple compositions.
only real art is martial arts. If you don't overcome the challenge, you're gonna get hit.
The guy they were talking about from the previous video literally upheld the notion that art should be challenging to the viewer while berating Charlie Kirk for not looking up what the art meant before analyzing it. He also failed to identify circles as circles twice in one minute.
@@bad-people6510 he failed to identify circles? How did it happen?
Their definitions for "kitsch" make it sound like it's just a pretentious word to describe something they don't want to be art. Art is subjective, so why do they get to define what art is? It's just more elitist posturing that us mere plebians couldn't possibly understand.
Kitsch was described to be art that appeals to the majority. Art that wouldn't have to be explained to be enjoyed by everyone.
The most cited "scholars" of kitsch was a couple of jewish guys who naturally thought it frightening with wholesome, beautiful art for the majority as opposed to subversive and ugly art for the small minority.
@@svenskanal That explains a lot actually.
Dave Filoni loves playing with his toys. The Filoniverse is exactly like that scene in Spaceballs when Dark Helmet is playing with his dolls, only not as entertaining
KNOCK! I TOLD YOU TO KNOCK BEFORE YOU COME IN
@@o00nemesis00o”NO SIR I DID NOT SEE YOU PLAYING WITH YOUR DOLLS AGAIN SIR!!!
As a Christian, I’m so glad someone else understands how ridiculous “Jesus Take the Wheel” is, especially in a literal context.
I quite recommend Christian comedian Tim Hawkins’s parody “Cletus Take the Reel”!
Its one of those weird modern American Christianity-isms that people act like is scriptural when it isn't. We are still to be thinking individuals in the Body of Christ, and Jesus Himself challenged His opponents and followers alike with questions and parables designed to get them thinking and engaging with His teachings. It also completely overlooks the Holy Spirit as the guiding agent in a Christian's life, committing another modern American Christianity fallacy of neglecting the other two parts of the Holy Trinity.
I understand that it can be a useful phrase in the context of giving one's life to Christ and basing their choices in scripture. Sort of like "Thy will be done", which is scriptural. But in the literal context of the original song its goofy and people use the phrase more like some pagan incantation like Jesus is gonna magically fix their life if they just do nothing about it. Its weird.
Is Tim Hawkins a Christian comedian? I thought he had some more edgy stuff.
@@AKABattousaiI'm out of the loop but addressing that statement as is: Christians can be edgy too.
And Cletus take the reel??? Really... That's funny??? Not like a parody of the song in a court called Jesus took the wheel...
My god, perhaps you are a christian with your bad taste...
Really birch...all of you are wrong
2:36:14 “How Ahsoka never ended up being a show about Ahsoka?”
I don’t know. Maybe because Disney kept reviving a zombie that is Anakin Skywalker multiple times to boost the rating even though Anakin’s story was over a long time ago.
This might be a small trivia that is easy to miss for Disney but ANAKIN SKYWALKER IS DEAD!
Avoiding watching someone because someone else on twitter said they were alt right.
That is some lame brain thinking.
When a person or group of people makes a pattern of saying the exact opposite of what is reality, you can start to infer that you should do the opposite of what they say.
Funny enough, that was basically exactly how I was introduced to Critical Drinker and then the rest of the Open Bar / FNT / EFAP crew by proxy.
@@Coconut-219 I get that. But I just usually ignore their input and go on my own knowledge of things. If you simply do the opposite of what someone says, then they know how to manipulate you.
@Opener73 and that's also lame brain thinking
If the Twitterati say someone is alt-right, it's safe to say it just means that person is worthy paying attention to. It's like the Satanic Panic on steroids. Everything that's even minutely interesting is labeled satanic by these people and at least the fundamentalists had the intelligence to be correct on 1 out of every 100 whereas twatter is lucky to reach 1 out of 1000.
@Opener73 Having your interest and enjoyment in content be based on whether it aligns with some political stance you have is lame brain thinking regardless of which direction the content is away from you.
"Dave Filoni _ROCKS_ at delivering original stories."
NO. No. No, he doesn't. That's never been a thing. Stop.
Even as someone that used to like him a bit, that's never been a thing.
He's basically known for two things, aside from his personal affinity for wolves and cowboy hats.
1. Getting full credit for everyone else's work.
2. Adapting stuff from Legends, that gets people excited to see stuff they liked from the 90s books back, only to then adapt it very poorly.
True, that's the cynical (but truthful) view, but rocking at delivering original stories was never a thing. He has _always_ been the memberberries reference king, and that's largely what people have liked him for.
If anyone was curious, the snake at 33:24 is a Great Lakes bush viper (Atheris nitschei).
You know, years ago I might have agreed with calling those painting not challenging, but considering the fact that in current year "challenging" art means having delusional political message in support of the current thing™ delivered with subtlety of trombone to the face, all I have to say to that critism is chad yes and it's a good thing that it's not trying to be something deep
These wild art stories are really fascinating to hear. I'd love to hear more of them in the future.
This one’s for you, Walt!
All kitch is fleem, but not all fleem is kitch - Flimbo Waggins.
The elitist art world is a joke. Whatever they dislike is usually good, and whatever they like is usually crap.
Money laundering will get you to say anything
Kinkade is not good tho
He's incredibly derivative and samey and just "looks nice" if you don't care about getting anything deeper
@@xolotltolox7626 It's better than alot of modern art
@@thedarkmasterthedarkmaster if people were capable of more than cherry picking, when criticising modern art, maybe, but kinkade is very mediocre
@@xolotltolox7626 Sure it's "cherry picking" to dislike modern art
The ign lady's defense for tlj is literally why I thought the prequels were hated when I was younger.
I hope she also learns the real reasons.
According to new Star Wars lore about how everyone is capable of using the force, this makes Han Solo, Boba Fett, Din Djarin and Cassian Andor the most dangerous force users in the whole galaxy. These people are already proficient with firearms and close combat. Now imagine all of them also using the force.
So Disney reinvented Kyle Katarn and made 5 copies of him. Brilliant.
I don't think blasters count as firearms
I’m sorry, WHAT NEW LORE!?!?!? *_EXCUSE ME!?!?!?_*
According to Disney -- wrong gender
@@matthiuskoenig3378 Then what are they?
And remember, a ship full of rebels was slaughtered at the start of the series, several X wing fighter pilots died....the way they are all just "oh well" through the series is incredible to me.
*new Republic, they ain't rebels no more
@@matthiuskoenig3378 And yet you know exactly what I meant.
Thomas Kinkaide's life can be summed up in two words: "He Vadered!!!"
"I didn't watch Mauler because someone else said he was right-wing."
Christ, right out the gate the new guest isn't doing himself any favors. Brainrot rots, who knew.
To play devil's advocate he said alt-right which is supposed to be the neo-far right...
But they through that term and others around so much its not a good look to just take people at their word when they say it
Damn, haven’t listened yet, but what a way to instantly discredit yourself and make a really bad first impression on the efap community..
The only one with brain rot is you considering that isn’t at all what he said.
1:00 i totally get that sentiment about games that kinda need an outside introduction, personally I would say that KotOR II is one of the best entries in all of star wars in terms of lore and storytelling, but the game is absolutely gutted without mods and reworking to restore cut content and make the game run better
Except some of the restored content is kinda awkwardly reintroduced, and conflicts with the base game's attempts to patch its absence, and so on...
I'd almost want to recommend doing a playthrough without restored content, then replay the game with the mod.
One of my pet peeves is when people aren't able to discuss an art piece and the person behind it separately. It leads to hypocrisy where someone will see an inoffensive, pretty landscape hung on someone's wall and say "oh, that really ties the room together" but if there's another painting by someone they don't like with the exact same theme they'll go "oh, a pretty picture of a landscape? How unchallenging! How anti-intellectual! I bet you vote Republican!"
Like Hitler?
@@_Dovar_ AFAIK the funny mustache man didn't have much widespread success with his paintings. If you specifically go out of your way to put one of his pretty pictures on your wall then there's a good chance you're a secret fan of his style of governance. But yeah, I see your point. (still, I wish people wouldn't let morally questionable artists ruin pretty landscapes in general for them though).
@@_Dovar_ Hitler's paintings were fine. They didn't really stand out much. But technically they were decent.
He was a much better painter than political figure.
Re: "challenging" art and Bob Ross
Anyone familiar with Bob Ross knows the clip where he worked through the death of his wife and made something that would be categorised as challenging.
Where I'd argue anyone able to access, perceive and portray beauty of the world around him so soon after a loss like that is challenging as it gets. Not the pretentious fart huffing nonsense of nailing a used tampon to a wall, or whatever would qualify as "challenging".
Gentlemen, all you had to do was ask! Big fan of the show!!
1:26:34 that is the Get Well Soon card you give to someone going into an Insane Asylum.
Thomas Kinkade awakes with a start. Looking around, he finds he is in an enclosed generically unsettling decayed urban environment. Frantically, he tries to move, but soon realizes he is firmly shackled to a metal Adirondack chair. "Lemme outta here!" He shouts meekly. "I didn't dooo anything!"
Suddenly, a small tube TV in the corner crackles to life, and the face of a Santa Claus puppet appears, bathed in a calming glow from behind. "Hello Mr. Kinkade," the puppet says in a voice that is jolly but sinister. "My name is Gay Pinto Walsh. I want to play a game."
"Mr. Kinkade, you've spent your life cynically cranking out paintings designed to inspire happiness in consumers. But how much happiness do you feel yourself? You take your success for granted. It's time to truly appreciate what you've got."
Suddenly, a large panel on the far wall of the room spins around with a clang, revealing a blank canvas. "Your task," continues the puppet, "is simply to paint something that makes you happy. There are two conditions: the subject of the painting must not be a cottage, and you may not use any yellow paint. Can you come up with anything new, or are you a one trick pony?"
Kinkade trembles at the impossibility of the task, but puts on a brave front. "H-how am I supposed to do this without any paints?" He asks.
"Patience, Mr. Kinkade," the puppet says, as a panel on the floor opens and an object slowly begins to rise into view. Kinkade's stomach drops in despair as he recognizes it. The puppet speaks again.
"Before you stands a statue of Winnie the Pooh, saturated in your own urine. This is a character that brings happiness to many, yet you have defiled it. Is that the behaviour of a man dedicated to spreading good cheer?"
A sloppily performed yet ominous flute tune begins to play through hidden speakers, rising in tempo as the statue rattles to a halt and the puppet describes the final facet of the task.
"This statue contains the materials you require, but will not relinquish them until you have cleaned it fully. You must use the very tool you have so often used to espouse your own greatness: your tongue. Only then will the silly old bear's hunny pot open and reveal your brush and paints."
The flute music crescendos as the horrifying weight of his task settles on Kinkade's mind.
"Oh, and you have 30 minutes before... the room fills with paint or something," the puppet adds, as Kinkade's shackles snap open. "The clock is ticking, Mr. Kinkade."
But you said no yellow.
There is a special place in heaven for authors of comments like this.
@@_Dovar_ Woohoo! Thank goodness that's taken care of- now I can safely go back to writing horribly unfunny comments.
Fringy : "yeah, 300 is flawed but I like it"
This is how I enjoy Snyder films. Are they perfect? No. But they had Platos Republic in BVS there good...right, Twin perfect? (Have you seen lemmy?)
I really liked solar sand’s video when I saw it, I put off watching efap crew coverage for a while since I had seen the original. What was I thinking? lol you guys never fail to impress.
Thank you for coming on Solar Sands! It was a good video and a pleasure to hear the conversation!
1:25:42
Almost makes me wonder if there's something to be said for an artist who does stay in one proverbial lane for most or all of his career, since it creates a foundation for future artists to innovate on or parody in their own works. I think the fact that Kincaid was so singly devoted to his (to some) nauseatingly cozy style is what makes the Star Destroyer edit funny in the first place.
in the EU there were zombie stormtroopers, but it was handled much better. It was some sort of weird parasite plague thing, and it was just on one derelict star destroyer. It wasn't an army of them with witches
I cannot help but come away with a distinct feeling of "kincade bad, because openly christian" from both the content of the video, and the video creator. I don't know how people can't dissociate the art from the artist. It really just came across as bigotry.
But you HAVE to find it okay to shit on his beliefs, otherwise you're a bigot! Did I do it right?
Mauler’s American accent is pretty good!
On the subject of Ahsoka season 1 needing to tell a "complete story":
The trick here is to have a story arc that can wrap up at the end of the season that can give the audience some satisfaction. You also usually want each episode to have a small story arc that sets up and resolves a smaller scale conflict or arc. You can leave story threads open, of course you can, especially in an episodic/serialized medium. But you want to satisfy the audience for the time they invested. If you watch an hour of television and it was nothing but setups for the season long arc or setup for the next season or whatever, then of course the viewer will feel cheated.
This is why I think episode 4 of Ahsoka was the only decent episode in here. It sets the stage: Attack Baylan and take the star map before the jump calculations are complete and they can get Thrawn. The episode has tons of issues, but at least there is a plot going on. There is that ticking clock, there are fight scenes. Our heroes are challenged. The battle between Ahsoka and Baylan is pretty good. There is a twist in how things are resolved with Sabine's decision. There you go, a single episode that tells a complete mini-story.
After episode 4, nothing further of interest really happens. At least no satisfying stories with conflict in them. And the overarching season story is a flatline, a dud
I'm so glad Sabine leveled up to Force push Ezra onto Thrawn's ship for Ezra to then... I assume, because we didn't see anything else from him until he meets up with Hera... not do anything of importance on Thrawn's ship. That was just... a _terrific_ plan they came up with.
My mom used to play Thomas Kinkade videos when I was learning to draw as a kid, and I no longer feel guilty for getting bored after two seconds😂 She has some legitimately lovely prints of his work, though, so his impression on me was never all bad
Short man bad
Demon's Souls is better than Dark Souls. The combat is more refined, you can engage with multiple enemies without getting hitstunned for 5 minutes, hit stun in dark souls is too long to safely engage with multiple enemies, makes the game very slow and very boring to play and forces you to use dumb stuff like poise just to deal with how bad it is. Weapon movesets in Demon's Souls are way better animation, less jank and awkward swinging direction, and better control. the game lacks plunging attacks but there isn't really any instance where it would be useful anyway.
A lot of the area's in Dark souls are not interesting, dull reused enemies that were previously bosses, and a downgrade from their Demon's Souls version. The music is much better and the PS5 version is a complete downgrade completely ruined the ambiance and overall art direction of the game.
Estus is better in dark souls and O&S, and Artorias are one of the better fights in the series. Other than that I can't recommend anyone playing that game more than once.
Demon's Souls, Bloodborne & Sekiro are the best games in the series the rest are honestly mid or trash.
1:15:00 that’s like saying I hate cake, because after the tenth one it gets boring. Yes, too much of a good thing can be a bad thing, a gallery of his works might be boring, but since when is that a criteria to judge things by?
Line up pollock’s creations in a row, and it will be just as boring, but now skill is also absent.
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Lol, so Ethan shat on Kinkade for being an alcoholic while his beloved Pollock killed someone while driving drunk. We're reaching levels of unawareness never thought possible.
Wait wait. This supposed art expert think that Rockwell paintings are cheerful?
Some of his most famous paintings are of exhausted people looking absolutely miserable. That's a shockingly bad misread of his work.
Hating Kinkade is nothing but an example of fatherless behaviour: It is a hatred of the serene, the happy, the content - all things that people driven by hatred, misery and a desire to bring others down to their own level of unhappiness despise.
I do not think Jackson Pollock was the first guy to "paint" the way he did. I think he just happened to be the guy who got the camera on him.
Yeah there is zero chance a guy in the 20th century AD was the first person in history to think of splattering paint on something.
nice to see pictures I’ve been assembling on puzzles for the t 10 years. Kincaid is big in California too, I saw a store selling his original paintings in Monterey for a ton of scratch, he’s big everywhere
I'm probably a vanishingly small minority here, but I'd really enjoy the guys doing similar MODERN ART BAD discussions with Mr. Sands. And yes MODERN ART IS BAD, Maulie you mild-mannered welsh daffodil. You can tear into it, just as easily as you can tear into bad writing in Disney Star Wars, and basically for the same reasons. Nonsense painting = nonsense writing.
Modern art isn't inherently bad, nitwit
Modern art can meet all the requirements of being a well-crafted piece of art just like any other genre or medium. I would agree that many peices of modern art are crap, maybe even most, but that doesn't mean we should throw the baby out with the bathwater.
I respectfully disagree. Not that this argument is worth having, the damage has already been done.
Modern art proclaims that there is an infinite number of interpretation of things.
Reality dictates that out of these infinite number of interpretations, there is a very real and limited number of actually VIABLE interpretations. And those limitations are set up by human bilogy, history and culture.
Of course this render the playing field very broad. Not broad enough to allow gobbeldygook nonsense to be taken seriously or to be treated with respect.
The only entitiy that treats modernist gobbeldygook seriously is the institution of the Museum. Incidentally, without which, most Modern Art wouldn't exist. A stack of boxes out in the world is just a stack of boxes, not an exhibit. A splattered canvas is just that, a srandom splattered canvas, not an object with meaning. If you can take the work out of the Museum, and into the parking lot next to it, without people realizing it's art, then it's not art.
This is one of the reasons behind things like Disney Star Wars. All it needs is the venue, in this case Disney that holds the IP, to stamp it with the seal of approval. The contenct of the product itself doesn't matter. If Disney says "Luke Skywalker X C3P0 Gay Fanfic" is canon Star Wars, it'll be canon Star Wars.
TL;DR We are living in the dystopian nightmare of meaning-free cyncial content, brought on by linguistic and moral relativism. To defend it, is, to be by definition, insane.
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@@ingrowsmith5148 For your first, second, and third paragraphs, I agree. An interpretation is only relevant if it can be shown to reflect in the art that inspired it.
For everything else you said, I disagree nearly completely. Your arguments all proclaim that modern art has no meaning. Meaning is subjective, and as such cannot be measured. Saying things like "A stack of boxes is just a stack of boxes, not an exhibit" is inappropriate, as it is a reductive argument that can be used to brush away anything the speaker so desires. "David is just a carved rock, not a cultural marvel. Starry Night is just paint on a canvas, not a masterwork." Your argument for what is considered art and what is not falls flat because it doesn't rely on a descriptive assessment of what it is or how it was made to determine it. It is instead prescriptive, which is not suitable because it destroys the possibility of having any productive conversation about what is and isn't art, let alone a discussion about its quality. Under your standard, all it takes is some schmuck who says that the Mona Lisa isn't art for it to be so. Saying that taking the pallets of boxes out of the synagogue and into some other context, where it would fail to be recognized as art, means that it is not art is equally flawed. The pallets of boxes is a very shallow, confused, and defective artistic creation, but it is still art. It was created with artistic intent, with an aim to display some creative idea, meaning, skill, or expression. This meets even a rigorous definition of art. You don't need to claim that it isn't art to criticize its form or intended meaning.
Your response is also filled with very reductive statements about modern art as a whole, calling it gobbledygook nonsense. While I would agree that it CAN be bizarre, unappealing, and lacking in skill or quality, it is inappropriate to declare an entire genre as worthless, as it excludes the possibility of a genuinely well crafted piece to come of it. I understand that what modern art even is can be hazy at best and completely undefined at worst, but the form of modern art is not without quality wholesale.
I was pleasantly surprised seeing this crossover of efap with solar sands. Never would I have expected such an overlap.
Solar Sands almost making a prophecy about Mr. Beast damn
Fun to see Solar Sands on here after all the chat lurking and foreshadowing in previous episodes
fringy that snake was probably an eyelash viper, they have heavily keeled scales and really vibrant colors, I believe they can also be blue sometimes which is a really rare color for reptiles to be
@1:05:37-.-This meme is sort of wholesome in an uncanny way, Which I think it's what makes it funny.
Very Short Man Very Bad
Just like Anakin, sometimes he good, sometimes he bad.
Since Mauler came out of the closet he does not want to do manly things. Just play video games and stream for superchats.
No floomp noises from Fringy at the end? What a waste of 3 hours....
Seriously though, Solar Sands is a great guest. He's one of the few guests who claims to be a long time efap fan who I actually believe. Please have him on again.
Only 3 hours AND no Fringy Floomp noises?!
This efap isn’t canon.
I would never recommend Demon's Souls remake. It completely ruined the OST and art style and didn't make any significant improvements to the original
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Also, watched both the first two Terminators and Alien movies recently, I noticed the more iconic stuff seems to come from the second movie of both of the films. Such as the Power Loader scene and the pulse rifle for Aliens or "I'll be back" being an Arnold line, "I know now why you cry", and, one of the most famous lines for me before I watched the movies (I assume it is just generally famous), "Hasta la vista, baby" for T2.
Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved.
The first minute of a video partially about modern art being about Dark Souls seems appropriate, since modern art is the Dark Souls of art - ya got to read the item descriptions to get it.
Thank you for all the work you've done this month lads.
Efap fans are eating good xo
The Synthetic Man EFAP is a fan favourite??
I thought that one was really boring by your standards.
The only thing I can even really remember from it was the weird homophobia stuff from him, but that wasn't really funny either
I remember how he didn't understand the characters of Kratos and Atreus, and wanted Kratos to punch his son multiple times
1:01:00 Rags, it sounds like you are describing the origins of a painting themed Batman villain.
to put it simply, if you hate beautiful art, you are an ugly person... these paintings pop in the eye and make you feel all of those wholesome things, the things we are desperate to have today, and if you can just look at something like that and not feel good, its because your insides are ugly and the demons that make up your soul are offended by something they could never be... beautiful...
I guess I'm like that then, though the art being shown invokes happiness and comfort to me.
I think I have thresholds for art like that, more modern art with the same attempts look fake to me.
@@silverprimus321boi9 art is the expression of the soul, not all souls are worthy of expression, most shit today is fraud and calculated...
Personally I don't like them thet much, but it is based on my taste. Somehow the coloring and the lightning is just not my cup of tea. I think if you don't like his paintings you are not necesirly ugly inside, but I think you have a point if we are talking about specially ablut people who have a viseral hatred towards his paintings.
@@reactiondavant-garde3391 the problem i find is that the vast majority of people go coasting through life like everything is tourism. the tourist mentality, as it were. like when you say 'based on my taste' the super majority of people want things to be comfortable for them, instead of genuine. we live in a fact based reality, yet everyone insists that everything is subjective. i get drawn into these paintings because they are the expression of idealized beauty. there is an incredible amount of ugliness in the world, and when i come across something incredibly wholesome it makes me pause a moment. not because of 'taste' frankly i dont have taste, i dont have an 'opinion' i live in a fact based reality. i am more concerned with understanding what is true, rather then dreaming up what is desirable for me.
you say you dont like the lighting and coloring, but imagine six months in a dark, grey, lifeless hole in the ground, and after six months you have forgotten what beauty is, and then suddenly you get exposed to this... BLAM right in the face... its the difference between being a spectator in life, and a participant.
@@davidross5640 I don't know if I have to or I have the conviction to enjoy everythig thet is objectivly good. I have things I love more then other things, like I have preference for fantasy and a dislike for sci-fi in general, but this doesn't mean I can't see, undertsand and praise an objectivly good scif-i story. It is only mean if I have to choose between what I read or watch I would choose fantasy before sci-fi. I have limited amount of time and energy as such I have to make Priority Pyramids.
I think it is improtant to praise wholesomeness as most thing nowaday are activly try to eliminate everything pure and innocent from the world. Unironic love, awe or warmth are ridicouled and spit on by the snobs.
Your argument in the end is really started makeing me thinking, because I am the type of person who like to watch nature and the sky, but I doesn't though about people who have to live in concrete hells without of the touch of geuine nature. I think for them and other lost souls something very imortant is indeed in this artworks.
Damn, Polluck went out the way he lived. Splattering color everywhere
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A lot of this stuff is money laundering...
Don't forget that an entire STAR DESTROYER fired every gun it had at out characters riding horses an didn't even scratch them.
Rags "Squirrel!" just killed me. lol
100 more episodes this short and I might get the idea that you guys don't WANT to stream for 12 hours a day!
I love thomas kinkade paintings it has that calming feeling to it his art kinda reminds me of bob ross a bit if you want to find the worst art in existence look at deviantart and fur affinity its awful
Mauler what's with all the AIDS posters in the Buffy universe? Also what's a Pain-bow? Thoroughly enjoying Buffy/Angel thanks for the suggestion
It was the '90s. AIDS was still kind of new and basically a slow death sentence. It's faded from publicity, in no small part because medication can keep an AIDS patient relatively healthy now.
Aaaaaaaaaids
My top hat and wine glass are ready. Time to listen to EFAP cover art. On with it sir! 🎩
EFAP War Arc starting in January? YAY!!!
The art seems not that bad, and least is more than the Banna on wal SHITE I see Modern Musems do or the Souless AI "Art"
People really ought to separate the art from the artist.
In today's day and age, people can't do that because they NEED to get validation of their worldviews from other people.
It can be tricky. Just ask Bill Cosby.
The ChatGPT episode of South Park was better than every Disney+ episode.
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This painting was framed in my parent’s room. I just got a load of nostalgia lol
I feel like kitsch or lowbrow work is needed in order to appreciate subversive art. People who pit them against eachother are trying to look smart
2:44:11 Yes, Fringy. "Not what you want, it's what you didn't think you needed".
Alt right just means: adheres to reality.
What if... everyone makes jokes about their pov?
Just like how s is gender just means: Normal.
@@morganseppy5180 Povernment?
I can explain kitch pretty easily.
You know what greebles are, right? Kitch is the greebles of the art world. It's stuff added to an art piece to make it seem like there's more artistic value to it than there actually is.
The mistake everyone makes with this word is that kitch isn't a thing on its own. You can't have a greeble without an object to attach it to where it makes some sense. You can't have kitch without an art piece to attach it to where it makes some sense.
IGN needs to sort their shit out.
21:04 REALLY!? My frigging Civ Arts teacher gave me a C on my paper of a musical piece for not discussing my feelings and rather focussing on the historical context. I always knew that class was a load of BS, the charlatan. That guy gets paid a professor's salary to blabber on about feelings and not actual historic criticism? Lucky guy.
Stockholders know nothing about writing but they assume they can write. But it's good writers who make good stories, not corporate puppets
We all know if you have to watch all seasons of two separate shows to understand what’s going on with the current one..
Then they did a bad job
That is just categorically untrue
@@xolotltolox7626 no it ain’t
1:15:00 i think the guys are hitting it on the head. There's an almost AI generated soullessness quality to Kincades work with the re-arranging of the same types of buildings and light sources. Everything is too saturated with colour and the light is always warm no matter the scene.