EFAP TV: Reacting to Ahsoka S01E05 & E06 - Shadow Warrior - Far, Far Away
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- Опубликовано: 20 сен 2024
- ITS RED!
We finally reach the red episode, the Vader episode, the one, the only. PEAK Star War. Enjoy folks because Ahh! The following episode is rather skippable.
Barely anything happens, though perhaps that's a lie... they do kinda ruin Baylan with this one, so there's that...and hey, plenty happen with our coverage of it o/
Edited by MauLer
It’s kind of interesting how Luke hasn’t even been mentioned at all considering “Heir to the Empire” was Luke’s story in the first place
It still is Luke's story since Disney Star Wars is cringe fanfic.
I'm currently rereading Heir to the Empire/Thrawn Trilogy and lamenting what replaced it (and Legends as a whole). Luke's characterisation in particular is such a highlight I forgot just HOW f***ing great it is. Both his positive/aspirational aspects and his doubts/character flaws referenced in the early chapters of are the most natural ways to continue his character post RotJ.
they should have recasted him and made him the protagonist if they really wanted to do a good rip-off to that story, with Ahsoka and Ezra as secondary jedi characters at best (just to killing them for drama lol), but Disney is too stupid and talentless.
@@Spillow-C ew, that sounds even worse. Don't Solo us, just let it fucking end
@@HerohammerStudios yeah probably, i didnt said that they should recast him at all costs, but if you want to do THAT story, even a rip-off, you should do that imo, because that story is about luke, but anyway the problem of Solo wasnt the recasting.
The prequels did the exact same stuff and no one ever complains about Mcgregor's Obi-wan for example, its still recasting even with the excuse that theyre younger
Imperial: “Admiral Thrawn, you’ve returned! Welcome back! We’ve waited years for you. You must conquer the galaxy back for the Empire!”
Thrawn: “Very well. I barely have a Star Destroyer in disrepair. What resources have you prepared for the task?”
Imperial: “Um… I mean, we were just thinking you would…”
Thrawn: “Ugh, Jesus. Alright, who and what am I facing then?”
Imperial: “The entire New Republic with all their forces.”
Thrawn: “Oh, okay. Never mind. Should be easy. The war will be over by Life Day.”
Thrawn: “What is the status of the military forces of this New Republic? Have they had the resources and time to repurpose captured Imperial shipyards and warships?”
Imperial: “Actually no Grand Admiral, they started disassembling the Imperial fleet as well as their own almost right when the fighting ended.”
Thrawn: “Are they mentally handicapped?”
@licktastyIt took practically a miracle to take down Coruscant.
Rogue Squadron had a backup and that was barely enough to take it down along with the criminal underground.
That was five years or so after Battle of Ensor.
AND, most importantly Ysard (person in charge at the time), handed it over because the virus that was created to kill most of the nonhuman population.
She also organized a coup for the Thyferra (think Dune, just Bacta instead of sand), and controlled the Bacta supply for the galaxy.
Basically they won so she could severely cripple them, if not destroy them.
@@snakeguy8646 The writers certainly were when they came up with the ass backwards decision.
and then he turns into disney Thrawn and flies the entire fleet into a sun and claims it was his plan for vitory the entire time and people just don't understand how
@@MultiKeto But it was so... artfully done!
I miss the days when the dumbest plot point in Star Wars was Padme dying of sadness.
People die from emotional trauma, especially when the organism is weakened.
@@Сайтамен Not in a universe with advanced medical technology and not when the only injury being treated is a "broken heart". Besides, it makes Padme look grotesquely selfish and weak to give up on life when she has two newborn children to look after.
There is the theory that palpy drained the life of padme to keep vader alive
@@leonrussell9607 which isn’t canon, not even in the novel.
@@SolarDragon007 A better option would be her to die of shock and the twins be stillborn, only to seemingly come to life after she died. This would make it a question of did she just let go in a moment of near death thinking she had lost everything or perhaps did she give herself to the force to save her children.
As far as I'm concerned, Hayden just came back to hammer home the actions scenes suck by showing that he actually knows what he's doing...unlike everyone else.
This show doesn't deserve somebody who put in the kind of training to come across as convincing as Hayden did. He looks like he hasn't lost a step and looks like a badass... Literally EVERYBODY ELSE is shyte on a shingle. They all look like amateurs and on top of that, they DON'T CARE! The writers don't care, the directors don't care, they're ALL just here for that EASY paycheck, because as long as you are there to tow the CIA globocrat far-left narrative, DISNEY DOESN'T CARE!
In comparison to Hayden everyone else looks like a wet noodle that picked up a stick off the ground for the first time in their life. Seeing someone actually handle a weapon with a moderate amount of skill just reminds you what it looks like for someone to have familiarity with a weapon. You know, as all these characters apparently are. What an embarrassment Disney Star Wars is.
I’m impressed that he got basically two cameos, and a few actual scenes in ep 5, and got paid for 3 episodes. Good for him I guess, get that bag.
@jennycomelately Got paid for minimal work and made everyone else look even worse than what they are while bringing in ratings and reviews?
Hell ya! Hayden MVP!
Well he actually trained for Kenobi and watched Clone Wars and Rebels... unlike everyone else.
Ah yes the world between worlds, a time dimension invented in a kids cartoon to save Ahsoka from dying. The lengths Dave Filoni will go to protect his pet characters is absurd.
Yeah everyone thought in the start of the clone wars that Ashoka would die, because she wasn’t in revenge of the sith and there was only supposed to be 1 or 2 Jedi left. But somehow she survived order 66, but also survived another show, that she also was supposed to die in. It’s so stupid, what’s next she was also alive during the sequels?
@@ibleminen She had a really solid set up for a death in Rebels then bam, Ezra saves her with funny time travel.
It's funny that even his invention of Ashoka breaks cannon, given that Anakin shouldn't have had an apprentice because he wasn't a master.
@@zanderman4059and then both of them fighting Palpatine shooting off Blue force waves? Lol
@@MasterSkyrim1000
In fairness, Ahsoka was George Lucas' invention, not Dave's.
Dave is the one who said "nah she's gonna live tho, fr fr".
Cringe Witch Lady: "My people were among the first to harness and ride the creatures, in the days before time was counted."
So her people created a method of surviving and traveling across the galaxy on intergalactic hyperspace whales BEFORE they invented the *calendar*?
The funny thing is that the oldest stories that we humans came up with all involve counting time. Be it the days of creation, the changing of the seasons, the lifespan of the characters (and often their ancestor too) or even the rotation of the sun, in the stories composed before writing was invented, the passage of time is universally referenced.
Which begs the question, just how stupid did the witches have to be to not notice that time was passing for so long?
I have to say, this was action packed. Jumps, flips, a desperate race where one misstep meant certain death.
Thank you for putting up Subway Surfers. Truly the highlight of the episode.
I read this comment as they ran a clip of Subway Surfers 😂
Genius 😁
Yeah it was intense! XD
I'm more impressed at how the random stuff they're saying matches the clip
the funny thing is, republic cant spare a force to go with hera because they have better things to do, but when she leaves and takes the minimal amount of troops with her, suddenly they can spare 3 whole cruisers just to court martial a rogue general
Like do they expect her to attack them for trying to stop her. Would a single medium sized ship be enough if they so desperately needs her back.
I mean, she is a general and probably aware of a lot of classified information. If she actually defected or turned coat it would be extremely important to stop her and therefore 3 cruisers would be draining but also nessecary. Imagine she defected to the Empire and was protected by an ISD now.
The problem here is that there is 0 urgency or tension on the bridge of that 1 cruiser (never mind the other 2 we don't even see) and it all feels like "C'mon child we gotta go home now, mommy has to cook dinner. C'mon"
They’d already completely f*cked thrawns design by giving him pupils, now they’ve given him a receding hairline. Awesome…
And a belly.
And a dad bod
Apparently it's canon now that Chiss have pupils. Which takes away from their alien look in my opinion.
@@johannesseyfried7933 total waste of an easy visual tool as well. Alien eyes, just because of the way the human mind works, are hugely unnerving to just about everyone. The natural human instinct when someone is talking is to look them in the eyes, and if what you see there is just.... wrong.... it immediately sets you on edge in a visceral way. You can't help but notice it even if you don't intellectually realize it
in a visual medium, that's hella useful for setting the mood without wasting screen time, you immediately get the payoff for literally no set up
@@petriew2018 It would also make Thrawn look a little more intimidating.
I love how Sabine whines about the deal as if she hasn't lost any and all leverage the moment she gave Baylan the map.
Disney isn’t exactly big on female characters experiencing consequences for their own awful choices.
The kid hearing the lightsabers is actually just hearing Asohka crumpled in a heap with a rock lodged in her skull smacking her lightsabers together like a child hitting wooden blocks together, because she requires medical attention due to significant brain damage.
She's physically at the bottom of the cliff dying and hallucinating
"DISH IS CLOE WAR!" *thumping lightsabers together*
@@pupper9474 This almost killed me. Good job xD
There was a Darth Sion who basically mastered pain through the dark side of the force and became immortal basically through it.
To hear that Filoni named the Hyperdrive the "Eye of Sion" but then admitted it was because of his love of Lord of the Rings.... just makes all of this sooo much worse for me
I like to imagine it's because Kotor 2 is wayyyyy to heady for Filoni to understand. Too little member berries and way too much philosophy on the nature of the Force
Well, I hope there’s a way for you to master your pain!
Why would Thrawn even try to kill Ezra at this point? He can just leave. What's Ezra gonna do, juryrig a spaceship together and somehow cross galaxies?
I mean, yeah? It's Disney Star Wars. Literally anything could happen at any time. Even then, your strawman example probably makes too much sense
@@HerohammerStudios he bypassed the Galaxy compressor
Yes.
He can speak to the whales.
@@AAhmou Which begs the question, why the fuck is Ezra still there?
He CONTROLLED one of them to GET Thrawn here.......... Why didn't he just use the same whale to jump BACK? Have it TOSS Thrawn out a window and keeps his fucking ship even.
They don't even NEED the ship, we know this, because you can see even in the short clips, there's a whale's tentacles RESTRAINING Thrawn, so it's BUSTED open the SPACE ship, but they're all just fine. So just jump in the whale's MOUTH or something and tell it to go back and drop you off. DONE! Thrawn is defeated, no sacrifices necessary.
But yeah, they'd all be totally screwed if Thrawn just IMMEDIATELY took a shuttle up to the fuck ring and told them to leave. THEY CAN MAKE THIS JOURNEY AS OFTEN AS THEY WANT NOW, THEY'VE GOT DIRECTIONS AND THE TECH TO MAKE THE TRIP! Thrawn is the important one! Just put him on the ship, with as many people as fit on his shuttle, load him onto the ring, and then LEAVE, then when you've got him set up in whatever base you've got ready (cause they MUST have plans surely) come back and board everyone else then just go BACK. Do this as often as you want, because you are the ONLY fucking people in the galaxy with all the necessary tech and coordinates to do this. You have an UNREACHABLE secret base with which you can buy as MUCH time as you want.
Ironically if he was being smart about it, it WOULD actually be helpful to kill Ezra and Sabine, but just LATER when he comes back with a FLEET and hundreds of probe droids and shit.
What baffles me about Thrawn in ep 6 is that he spent no time during his exile establishing a base it seems. No mining asteroids for materials to use for repairs. No R&D to improve current weapons. No recruitment. No training facilities. Not even a droid factory to make up for low manpower. Most of the repairs they did are ramshackle but hey the "look cool" and completely unprofessional. This in no way seems like an established military operation that is prepared for invasion in any way shape or form.
For real. When the bad guy found him he should have been buisy.
It would have been so much cooler if in those 10 years he had conquered a less technologically advanced galaxy or a large part of it, but did so by alluring with certain local powers. It would make him a legit realistic threat while adding away to defeat him without BS and do so in a way that explores the new galaxy...
Well he somehow mined space between episodes 6 and 7...
That and no soldier decided to ditch him or call for a mutiny. They followed him only to be beaten by space whales and exiled for a decade and seeing him rely on sister magic.
I’ve been wondering how he fed all those troops for so long, given the fact that for 10 years they’ve been stranded without a resupply and they haven’t set up a farming operation or any other way to acquire food.
Thrawn is such an incredible threat that he wasn't mentioned ONCE in Disney's own movie canon...
i mean he’ll probably die in the mandoverse movie which will occur before TFA
I’m 90% certain that he will be the villain of the Mando Cinematic Universe movie
He’s gonna die and the catastrophic events will never be referenced again because Disney didn’t bother to come up with a plan. They wiped the slate clean for their garbage
@@MatecaCorp Well now he certainly will be...
@@Сайтамен
he was always going to be. we knew that from mando s3
"In the game of chess, you cannot let your opponent see your pieces"
- Admiral Thrawn Brannigan, current year.
Everything went according to his master plan though because Thrawn is so smart
So a game of Battleship instead of Chess, then...
@@Mister-Six"If we hit that bullseye, the rest of those dominoes will collapse like a house of cards -- checkmate!"
@@Mister-Six "In the game of checkers, roll the dice. If you get a three you have to pick up five cards and climb the ladder - Full House!" -Admiral Thrawnius Smarticus
@@wolfiewoo3371 "In a game of Poker, Fork the +2 cards. If you hit a nat 20, you gotta consume 5 green Mana to attack eastern US with 3 troops. - Yahtzee!"
-Admiral Thrawnius Genius
I think Sabine's treatment of the dog mount is what upset me the most. Ignoring that it was stupid as it would allow her to travel faster and it carried her gear, it was just needlessly cruel. It got spooked, it didnt betray you, bitch.
Unironically, Dr. Evil is super endearing when he sees Mini-Me run away scared, and his first thought is to give the little guy a hug
@@samwallaceart288He also has less plot armor than Sabine, more mojo, and better hair.
My favorite part is when Anakin whipped out his *red* lightsaber and said *"It's time to get Vadered"* , then Vadered all over Ahsoka.
The line being tangentially factual is a tragedy and a disgrace.
Then that random character saying "RED! THAT'S RED!" was really cool
@@thunderlighting2006 They turn around seeing that it’s Wade
Does this only sound sexual to me?
@@Psycorde That depends on what you think happens when someone gets Vadered
Absolutely amazing how Luke hasn't even been mentioned in this series despite him being essential to the story Filoni based the series off of
Filoni saying Luke wasn't officially a Jedi in his book was kind of telling of what he thinks of Luke.
@@SpFlash1523yeah filoni consistently says Luke is a bad jedi and quote “I always got the impression that any jedi on the council could kick his butt”
@@JedioutcastOOF
‘George Lucas’s Protege’ my ass. 😂
To paraphrase a Reddit comment: Why would Luke show up in a show about Ahsoka? They don’t know each other and she isn’t interested in training a new Jedi Order”
@Jedioutcast Well, after Jake Skywalker got his ass kicked by someone that only learned of the force 5 days before meeting him, I'm not surprised.
Now, the REAL Luke Skywalker is the most powerful Jedi of all time.
Between Hera and Paz Vizsla, people in this universe are rather nonchalant about their children, aren't they? They sort of have actual parenting investment kick in irregularly.
Remember those old days when Anakin sacrificed himself to save his son? Yeah, that kind of mentality is obsolete now.
@@nont18411wouldn't have needed to do that if he bought his children enough plot armor. It is painfully obvious that it is for commercial sale in this goddamn umiverse
I just realized, they hardcore assassinated Sabine. She used to be passable, but now she is villainous with how reckless she is
Plus she's too cowardly to actually tell her (best?) friend about what's happening and how they need to act or their Galaxy is gonna get into another war with Thrawn. But hey... this way it's funnier I guess.
The actor they picked isn’t helping. She has ZERO charisma.
Though to be fair, hardly anyone in this show had charisma.
@@dearthofdoohickeys4703 I'm pretty sure she could do better. Dave Filoni just thinks that looking emotionless and smirking from time to time is the pinnacle of coolness. That's why no one is allowed to act in this show.
It’s funny how Ahsoka went from a character that I didn’t mind, to one I actually grew fond of gradually over time, while still under the assumption that she probably dies either during Order 66 or the Jedi Purge to follow.
Only for her to keep going on and on to the point of absurdity, because Dave just can’t let his golden child go to the wayside for less then five seconds.
Andor is the only show that actually GAINED viewership over time and keeps being talked about.
EVERY OTHER SHOW lost viewership over time….but guys he Vadered! My wife’s boyfriend clapped with me!
Andor was boring asf but it had the best writing and acting… Ahsoka has lightsabers and the force but bad writing and acting… why can’t they give the fans both 🗿 they’re incapable.
@starwarstairique
Andor being boring is subjective. I found it really interesting, mostly because it was actually good and stayed good? it had cause and effect, it made me care for characters I wasn't sure what would happen to. we don't need to worry about Andor being in danger in that show because the writers know that we've seen Rogue One, or operate on the sensible assumption that we have. it's fucking great except it isn't really, it's just common sense. but that's how low the bar is.
I do want to respect and appreciate the shit out of you for acknowledging that even though you found it boring, it had good writing and good acting. so many people are blind to the idea that subjective and objective are two separate things, and a piece of media can be fun but bad or boring but good.
the Transformers movies are a perfect example of the former. mediocre at best, Bumblebee was above average alone, but they're all still so fun to watch.
it's the only star wars show I can rewatch and still appreciate. I will never rewatch this show and never rewatched any of the other live action ones. I don't want to.
it's exactly what EFAP was talking about a reaction or two ago - it's made to satisfy a braindead audience for as long as it runs, and then they move on. there's no passion in it. it's soulless.
That’s what happens when your core audience is soyboys.
@@TairiqueTurayI was never bored in andor
Ever since Rebels, it's always felt like Filoni either only knew about or only cared about the 'blue Imperial who likes art' aspect of Thrawn's character and completely forgot to ever SHOW the fact that he is such a good tactician/strategist that he's basically a God amongst men when it comes to conventional space combat.
Also the part of his introduction where the Stormtroopers were chanting his name was so cringe that my ears forcibly merged it into the music so I wouldn't notice on my first watch... I can't think of any Star Wars villain in a leadership role where that wouldn't come across as being full cringe.
I grew up with TCW, and it’s always held a special place in my heart for a long time as a good show, but now, idk and that worries me
@@bcmm1880 If you like TCW, I would highly recommend you read the "Star Wars: Republic" comics from Dark Horse. They covered the events of the Clone Wars before TCW retconned them, but I've always far preferred them over the CGI show. In fact, many of TCW's best ideas/characters, (like Assaj Ventress), were poached directly from the comics.
Well he was good at strategy...compared to other imperials in that show.
@@Сайтаменhe’s probably talking about the Timothy Zahn books. There’s the og series before Disney nuked the expanded universe and the new books. But in those books he is considerably smarter than what has been shown in the series.
@@ibleminen In the books there was a sinister subtlety about him. He had this outward air of civility and control, coming off as a reasonable person and a consummate professional... while underneath is ruthlessly manipulating everyone and anyone that comes into his orbit for personal gain. He legitimately doesn't care about the human cost of what he does, they are just pieces on a game board to him
You get absolutely none of that from Filoni. He's so much shallower, almost 2 dimensional.... and it's frustrating to watch the incompetence of it all....
Hope someone makes a Chad Legends Thrawn and a Virgin Disney Thrawn.
Even the Disney books thrawn is way better than this. But in the new books he is at most an anti-hero, he is definitely not a evil hero. But compared to this thrawn the book one is almost god like with no weakness other than his lack of political understanding.
I hope this at least gets people to read the Thrawn Trilogy and get into the Legends EU in general.
@@ibleminenHonestly, remembering the canon books just reminds me of Thrawn's reputation in the Empire as a fucking weirdo since he's an alien and makes me question why the Imperial remnants are looking towards him to solve all their problems at all. The only people that took him seriously are individuals like the Emperor, Vader and Tarkin. The majority of people were either pissed because he rose up the ranks so quickly or weirded out, not really impressed. They wouldn't be on their hands and knees clamoring for his return, if anything, when he shows back up in the galaxy they'd probably be like "Oh, it's that guy." and immediately start harassing him and whatever forces he has left. In the context of him being an outcast, he would need to prove himself to the Imperial remnants first before they'd ever take him seriously. Especially considering his track record of being bested by a teenager with space whales. Like, the guy should be a laughing stock to other Imperials, not some savior. In fact, they could've used that as an obstacle for Thrawn to overcome to prove himself to both the Empire and the audience. But fuck it, he's Star Wars' Thanos now, and we can't let our main big bad have any flaws or people doubting him, that would undermine how cool and badass he is
@@nagger8216 also why would he go back to empire when nearly all their strength is gone and he cannot use them to protect his people.
@@ibleminenin the EU books he was at the edge of the galaxy guarding against the potential (eventual) alien invasion of the galaxy on the orders of the emperor. Of course, these books take place a year or two after the 6th movie? So the empire isn't a shattered wreck of itself. It's still controls large parts of the galaxy and essentially he comes back to bring everything together, as a lot of the governors and other military leaders were squandering its potential with infighting and losing to the new Republic. It doesn't really work in this show because so much time has passed and the empire just disappeared overnight which it didn't in the EU. In the last book Thrawn almost wins. He almost destroyed the military potential of the New Republic and Admiral Akbar, but his one blind spot got him in the end and that was his bodyguard betraying him. If it was correctly written and produced into a show or movie, it would be a really interesting subject matter to cover. But now they've turned him into the cartoon incompetent, overweight moron that Disney created. He never was. He was space Rommel or Patton
*Writer 1* : Oh man, it's gonna be hard for Sabine to find Ezra on this unfamiliar planet in this unfamiliar galaxy, despite Thrawn and his forces being unable to find him for a decade.
*Writer 2* : Actually it's gonna be super easy, barely an inconvenience
*Reaches for shotgun
"Ryan get away from the keyboard."
Imagine if they cut out just 5% of those useless fucking pauses. They could've spent an entire episode showing off this new planet as Sabine looks for any clues. The way they've prioritised their time is insane
@@HerohammerStudios *Writer 1* : Hey shut up
Also just the fact that thrawn and Ezra even got separated in the first place is weird, especially since they’re in an unknown place with potential danger around them.
@@ibleminen I'm still wondering how they're alive. They were hyperspaced jumped into an unknown galaxy in a crippled ship with all it's windows gone.
Sabine meeting Ezra after all the things she did and sacrificed should be an incredibly emotional scene for both characters - but especially Sabine (since she was willing to basically burn the world to find him). But you wouldn't be blamed to think these two are just acquaintances and not very good friends finding each other after years apart - not only apart, but there was a good chance one of them was dead and she would only find his remains. There's not elation, disbelieve, or even a couple of tears of joy. What a wasted of a scene!
But you miss the point of them being able to quip and joke at that moment. That's what they did in Clone Wars and that's what The Fans want! Who cares about emotion when you can have mediocre comedy?!
I was watching that thinking of how I felt reading the Witcher any time Geralt reunites with Ciri, of how it should have made perfect sense for one or both of them to break down from the myriad emotions any normal person would feel. You're exactly right, they feel like less than acquaintances - they don't even feel like people.
We could have had a scene where she cries with joy and rushes to hug him, only for him to question why she is here and panic - was my sacrifice in vain? What are your motives? Are you even real, or some new monstrosity thrown at me by this new galaxy?
But no. Marvel humour is more important.
@@gowestyoungman8184 To be fair, both Ciri and Geralt are about as far from normal people as you can physically get. Geralt almost can't express any of the emotions he feels, because of Witcher mutations, and Ciri has honestly lived an incredibly fucked up life from start to end. But yeah, I agree in this case 100%.
Imagine if they got in the whales, thinking they’ll take them to Ezra, but then they arrive … on Tatooine
Also how do they now when to get out of the whales, I hardly believe they will just throw them up.
I'm just picturing beached whales decomposing in the desert lmao
@@ibleminenDeath 😂
I just want a scene in which someone pauses mid-lightsaber swing, says “I want to stop fighting,” and then gets stabbed because that’s not how combat works.
I love it when the non-American members of EFAP do American accents. It brings me so much joy.
Fringy is hilarious, I love him
As an American I myself love pretending other various regional American accents
I miss GDELB accent
As a Biscuit eating colonialist I love when Americans do Bri’ish accents.
"Oh look, it's Darth VaDURR, he became DARTH VA-DURR, look at his red light saBURR, it's so COOOOL!"
Fringy enunciating his Rs is treasurable, lmao
Something that does annoy me as a fan of Thrawn, he comes off as a character you’re told is smart instead of being shown how different he is. In the newer book series’s you get POV passages by him and he’s CONSTANTLY analyzing peoples expressions, actions, words, breaking them down just in his head. You also hear him analyze art pieces or tactics and it’s just cool to hear, but no in Ahsoka all we’ve really gotten is “Yeah no he’s very very very very smart so therefore he’s very dangerous and can possibly destroy the Republic just on his own”
Also yeah, not a fan of Thrawn being overweight, though I guess it’s hard to bash the actor for his physical appearance.
Imagine if Thrawn was really cool written *and* had the appearance and posture he has now. That would be pretty impressive, having him look kinda goofy and then being a tactical monster and a genuine threat.
@@Bannschwert Sounds like Zsinj, either way it just doesn’t fit Thrawn since he was established in new canon to be VERY physically active so him being chubby doesn’t compute, imagine chubby Thrawn fighting big ass training robots
@@snakeguy8646 I mean he can still get old. I have no idea how his species ages.
What I'm saying is: if you want to you can find a way to make him look like that, be an intimidating threat and still keep his character.
You'll just need to work for it...
@@BannschwertIt goes against his character. Thrawn was always about keeping his ship, crew, his own body in peak physical shape. His people at least according to the EU are peaceful warriors. They don't like to fight but they always train for the inevitability of it.
You just did bash the actor for his physical appearance?
Do you think soldiers in WWII ever turned to their friends and said "This is WWII"?
"Uhh this is battle of Normandy?"
"Yeah, it is smart guy lol"
*both gunned down mid snarky conversation by a turret nest*
In fairness, Yoda actually said at the end of Attack of The Clones "Begun the clone war has" which is even more baffling considering the only conflict that had happened at that point was the battle of Geonosis. When young Ahsoka says it, the clone wars had been going on at least a few years so it's possible it was widely referred to by that name at that time.
Let's just say that's how it got its name
@@slowjoe0485 I could at least forgive that more as Yoda, having lived for damn near a millennia, is wise enough to know that Geonosis was just the start of something big on the horizon...
Also George Lucas likes having characters announce plot relevant items rather blatantly. Still more subtle then "somehow Palpatine returned"
@@mrbigglezworth42 True I suppose. Though the line also makes more sense when you consider it was present day Ahsoka in young Ahsoka's body referring to it at as 'the clone wars' which it retroactively was called (Like how Obi-Wan mentions it in A new hope) I guess she was taken aback by the fact she was there so she had to announce it. It's a very clunky piece of dialogue to be sure and the whole thing of her only then being concerned with not wanting to fight was an ass-pull if I've ever seen one. I hate that I'm even having to somewhat defend a stinking line that Filoni wrote
30:00 the force tracking was originally something only Quinlan Voss could do. I guess Dave just wants his OC to have all the force powers. Looking forward to when she starts healing people and prematurely electricating force lightning.
*prematurely ejaculating force lightning
I miss how force users would have something that they specialised in, in Disney Star Wars as soon as one Jedi can do it everyone can, culminating in Rey being able to do basically everything.
I also miss when you needed cybernetic enhancements to wield a lightsaber effectively against Jedi if you weren’t force sensitive, but now just any old shmuck with a glow stick can flop it about like a pool noodle and somehow win.
It's like Filoni heard people liked Andor and all he took from that was "Go slow, got it!"
A two for one reaction special, what a good day to be Efapping
Either that means something I don’t know about, or you just said something extremely unholy…
@@TairiqueTuray What's unholy about Efappping, we all do it, usually for hours
a good week! two days in a row of saw efap movies and now an ahsoka efap tv! They spoil us during spooky month
We were down one "What'cha bring me?" ending edit though. I guess I'll get over it lol. This truly was a treat.
@@KelShu doesn’t mean it’s holy my friend… 🤣
“He Vadered” is now peak coonsomer phrase, move over “Wow dude! Pride Rock!” 😂
The thing that really annoys me about episode 5 is that it's such a huge missed opportunity. All of it is just memberberries, hallow fan service, and pointless fighting. But what if it was better.
Imagine this: Ahsoka awakes and meets Anakin's ghost or whatever, the scene plays out the same way up until the "live or die part". Anakin says the sane thing, but instead of fighting Ahsoka-for some reason-he instead takes her on a little journey of character study, self growth, and reminiscence mixed with, yes, fan service, but not Dave's shriveled up memberberries.
The journey starts at the beginning, when Anakin first met Ahsoka during the battle of Christophsis. They can reminisce about how Ahsoka was so young and arrogant like Anakin, and how Anakin was unqualified to be Ahsoka's master, but still put in the effort. From there, their journey takes them to various other places and moments in the Clone Wars that are important to the Ahsoka and her relationship with Anakin; along the way, he makes several points about how much she grew and learned, becoming an incredible Jedi and something like a sister to him.
Eventually, though they arrive at the point when Ahsoka left Anakin. Long story short, Ahsoka was framed for committing terrorism that was actually done by her fellow Jedi, Barriss Offee. Anakin did everything he could to defend Ahsoka and even brought Barriss before the council before Ahsoka was sentenced, securing her freedom, but Ahsoka reached her limit. The entire time during the fiasco, the Jedi did nothing to help her and were blinded to politics; Windu even tried to say the whole was her "great trial." Realizing how full of shit the Jedi were, Ahsoka left the order and never came back, leaving Anakin. With this history in mind, adult Ahsoka and Anakin can talk about how the failure of Jedi; they were supposed to be peacekeepers and paragons of wisdom, but were willing to let one of their own be sacrificed because of politics.
Their journey finally ends when Ahsoka finally addresses the big, black, armored elephant in the room. It doesn't just come out of nowhere, for there are several instances of Anakin's dark side throughout the Clone Wars, and perhaps the one thing her character hasn't moved past is Vader; encountering him and discovering his identity left a mark on her, and she never got the closure that Luke did. You could even add in the whole thing about her being afraid of becoming like him-somehow. Anakin realizes her fear and decides she must face Vader, and so takes her to a vision of the Jedi temple during order 66, where she confronts Vader; not the armored version, or Anakin with yellow eyes, but a shadowy, demonic abomination that represents his evil and Ahsoka's fear. The confrontation is not just a fight but also a battle of wits and ideals, like Luke against Vader and Palpatine. Obviously, Ahsoka wins and conquers her fears.
The rest of the episode has Ahsoka and Anakin in a restored Jedi temple, where they just...talk, talk like the best of friends that haven't seen each in ages; Ahsoka can even mention she met Luke. And so, with Ahsoka's training complete and her fears conquered, the episode ends with her waking up in the water and being rescued.
That is actually brilliant and would be amazing. Disney is incapable of that sadly.
They'd laugh you out of the writers' room for having the audacity to come up with something actually interesting and entertaining
'With this history in mind, adult Ahsoka and Anakin can talk about how the failure of Jedi; they were supposed to be peacekeepers and paragons of wisdom, but were willing to let one of their own be sacrificed because of politics.'
I still maintain that the jedi did nothing wrong in that arc. All evidence available pointed to Ahsoka and her crimes were against the republic; that isn't sacrifice, that's how crimes are processed. The jedi stepping in and telling the Republic to fuck off while they protect their own from justice simply because they're a jedi would be blatant corruption and abuse of authority that would bring in Order 66 much sooner.
@nobody2996 Yeah, but they really didn't even try to investigate the evidence. Anakin did it on his own. You'd think that they wouldn't strip her of Padawan status until AFTER she is officially convicted. The fact that she is abandoned before being convicted shows a lack of respect and a sign of cowardice.
@nobody2996 Nah. They showed how much horseshit the Jedi were filled with. They didn't need to tell off the Republic; so what if the evidence pointed to her, they just had to help Anakin and Ahsoka when it was clear someone was framing her. Anakin was the only one who helped her; Ahsoka would be dead if it wasn't for him. The Jedi can go fuck themselves, Ahsoka did the right thing by leaving.
This is a nitpick but the star destroyer in this show is a imperial 2 but the Chimaera in rebels was an imperial 1 class. You can tell by the bridge. You'd think that the king of jey jangling would get that right.
No such thing as Nitpicks here. This is EFAP....you are safe😂
That thing was already explained by other fans, it is indeed an Imperial I, the bridge was just demolished by whales back in Rebels, it had to be fixed somehow.
@@AAhmou explained by other fans is a pathetic excuse for lack of continuity
@@AAhmou if it has to be explained by fans then that shows how bad the writing is
@@karl5599don’t you just love when fan have to fix the story for the writers of this drivel?
I don’t like how they used Anakin’s signature move in this show. In its other instances in the prequels, it did fit the fights to block his back and it feels more natural in the movement of the whole choreographies. Here, you can just see the key jangling. He is so far from Ahsoka and he clearly doesn’t need to do his move. It was just a show off moment and it ruins it imo
Yep. It was such a “clap because he did the thing” moment.
REMEMBER THE SPIN MOVE?
SPINNING IS GOOD TRICK!
I only just now realized that the names Baylan Skoll and Shin Hati are a reference to Skoll and Hati, the giant wolves in Norse mythology who chase the sun and moon. It would've been interesting to see what allusions to the myth are carried over in these characters and how it influences them, but odds are it's just another instance of Filoni trying to flex his nerd cred by offhandedly referencing stuff he likes.
Supposedly he's a wolf nerd. The wraith guy with the spinning saber (marok or somesuch) is also a wolf reference. We need some "howls internally" edits with Dave Filoni.
Is Filoni a furry?
Furloni loves wolves, it's why most of his characters have some sort of reference to wolves, it's why he originally wanted to make Ahsoka look more like a wolf, it's why he revealed that wolves were the ones to teach the first jedi the force and that jedi spirits turn into spirit wolves.
Also the 3 witches are obviously a rip off of the sisters of fate from greek mythology.
Marrok was the name of a knight that got turned into a werewolf by his wife who was associated with the witch Morgan le Fay. So fans thought the implication was that fart gas dude was a creation of Morgan via nightsister magic.
@@MasterDecoy1Woh god... is he a furry?
Two episodes at once? That's the fanservice we need.
They EFAPed! Look! they EFAPed!
IS THAT THE RULE OF TWO!?!?!? I KNOW WHAT THAT IS!!!
i mean, when so fucking little happens in an average episode, it's hard t justify 1 at a time....
I'm always like... weirded out over the level of worship Thrawn gets in this series. Like, *GENUINE* worship.
It's one thing for the fandom at large to really like him, and insist he could work tactical miracles, because the fandom has the knowledge of the full scope of his work, uncolored by in-universe bias and lack of information. We, the audience, can say "Well Thrawn totally woulda kicked the yuzang vong's asses if he were around! He has the biggest ol blue brain of them all and is totally coolio big smarticus and would like... drift thirty star destroyers around the sun to turbo megacharge their laser and esplode them all!" because it's all speculative. We have meta knowledge, we know that, if Thrawn were alive for the vong invasion, the part he'd play in that would have demanded tactical excellence from him beyond what we got in Heir to the Empire. He'd quite literally need to be a mythically potent military strategist, and we'd probably have gotten that, even if factually, Thrawn was just a really good tactician who excelled at predicting (and exploiting) his opponents.
The people *IN* the universe don't know what we know though. Especially in Disney's universe.
In Disney's universe, Thrawn was an alien imperial commander who saw a meteoric rise in the ranks despite being an alien, but who got his ass kicked by a bunch of kids on Lothal and then got beat by Space Whales before going missing in, apparently, a DIFFERENT. GALAXY.
Let me be clear. Thrawn has like... 4 minor victories under his belt, 2 major victories, and literally NONE of them were against the rebellion (Luke, Leia, none of that, his wins predate them, he doesnt even fight anyone with force bullshit he has to account for in Disney's canon). Then he eats this MAJOR loss at Lothal, to children, which literally banishes him to a completely different galaxy. THAT is the profile of Thrawn in-universe.
And the imperial remnant not ONLY is willing to expend every resource they can muster to go get him, but, they also treat him like the second coming of Palpatine. People stand around, beating sticks together, chanting his name like he's the great Khan of space and conquered half the galaxy and the only thing that stopped him from snuffing the rebellion out was him getting spirited away by space whales.
It's INSANE. They didn't even LIKE Thrawn by the way, the Imperial Navy fucking hated him, because they ARE racist, quite literally, 'you're an alien so fuck you'.
It's like... it'd be ONE thing right? If Thrawn conquered this other galaxy. If he set himself up as a demagogue, exploited a tribal belief in some celestial savior and then used his superior tactics and technology to conquer an entire galaxy in the interim between Rebels (which is canon to THIS show, much as it doesnt seem like it is) which would demonstrate him abilities to the desperate Imperial Remanent. He has resources they NEED, he'd have ships, loyal and passionate soldiers, equal-to or GREATER than the galatic republic. He would be an ENORMOUS asset, even if in-universe his track record against fighting force users has been less than stellar.
But he's not that. He hasn't done any of that. He's just a blue dude who got his ass kicked by a Hera and her weird friends and space whales.
Ah, but you forgot the key ingredient in enjoying modern Star wars my friend! You forgot the brain damage, all of what you wrote can just be ignored with that potent mixture of nostalgia and brain damage that disney banks on you having.
@@MrTurok999
Jokes on them. Vader wasn't IN the episode with Thrawn! HOW precisely do they expect me to get excited when Vader shows up if they don't bring out Vader so he can Vader on everyone?!
Tsk tsk. Bad form, Disney. Thrawn wasnt IN the movies! I DON'T know who he is, Disney! He's a weirdo blue man who ISN'T Darth Vader and he DOESNT even HAVE a lightsaber! If this "Throme" guy or whatever DOEST bust out a lightsaber and Vader all over the place, it just WONT be TRUE Star Wars, I guess.
That's actually a good point. Why hasn't Thrawn *done' anything major in this other galaxy? Surely there a resources here you wouldn't find anywhere else.
He could have manipulated some alien species like Vader did with the Nooghri.
@@johannesseyfried7933
Well I mean, you know what the answer is gonna be right? That there's just nothing here besides like, force floopisms the suddenly-not-extinct Night Sister council of hags are probably pondering. Or, rather, there's nothing of note here, in this *ENTIRELY NEW GALAXY*.
Because nobody, not ONE person on the writing "team" for this show considered the sheer *SCOPE* of what adding a *NEW. GALAXY.* does to Star Wars as a whole, littleown their own story.
You know what they could have done? Filoni *could* have just sent Thrawn to some unmapped bit of the Unknown Regions. Beyond the border of the populated Galaxy. He could have said "Oh yeah, it's a planet at the edge of the Galaxy. It's so far out there in the empty void that nobody COULD feasibly chart it and come back to tell the tale, the resource sink in going there by the standard means we have wouldn't be worth the information we'd get from going there."
That'd explain why the space whales can get there, since they're fuckin porgbillion years old and can naturally travel through hyperspace. They don't have to worry about the limitations of technology, which *IS* a running theme in star wars, that the natural world is inherently more capable than machines. You could literally make it a rogue planet. You could EVEN keep it as the TRUE homeplanet of the nightsisters, give them the backstory that they're dark side floopism force magic like... harvested their sun, and they sent their whole planet through hyperspace, the only ones left in standard space where the ones already off planet, who had to find new homes and adapt, which would also explain why Dathomir is such a miserable fucking shithole - it was NEVER meant to be a permanant residence. They just got STUCK there when dumb forcetisms hurled their homeworld into the void.
*THAT* event could *ALSO* tie directly into Thrawn and his newfound hatred of "magic". He didn't USED to hate the force, it was just a "thing". A tool, like any other, he just happened to be unable to use the tool himself. But, with the knowledge that it's a tool that can *misbehave?* That the force isn't a "skill" that certain people possess and can exert a measurable control over during development, but instead, a temperamental, unreliable *SUPER WEAPON* that can, without warning, hurl an ENTIRE planet, RANDOMLY, into hyperspace? You don't even get to CHOOSE the direction, so it can't be turned *INTO* a horrific weapon to threaten people with, it's just a fucking act of GOD at that point?
I can imagine a tactician like Thrawn would be *GENUINELY* spiteful of it then. Especially since it would mean Palpatine could have fucked him anyway even IF he promised not to use the Death Star on the Chiss, which was one of Thrawn's concerns in Disney's canon. It'd mean that Darth Vader/Anakin, Palpatine, these Night Sisters and Sith and ALL the jedi are running around, using this 'Force', for parlor tricks, without any heed to the potentially catastrophic consequences, from his point of view. This would *EVEN* tie into the bullshit Kreia was going on about in KOTOR2 and people eat that shit up like Hassan eats up them nuggies.
That WHOLE thing there is the most fanservicey bullshit I could think of. It gives EVERYONE a handjob, ESPECIALLY star wars fans who'd get to point at all this shit and be like "LOOK! LOOK! A STAR WAR HAPPENED! I REMBER THAT STAR WAR THING FROM WHEN I SAW IT IN THE STAR WAR THING I LIKED BEFORE! I LOVED THAT STAR WAR! I LOVE THIS STAR WAR NOW BECAUSE IT REMIND ME OF THAT OLD STAR WAR! YAAAAAAYYYY!!!" and it didn't take me five minutes.
It already makes more sense than an *ENTIRE* galaxy, new, undiscovered by any fucking sensing equipment (our OWN telescopes have found new galaxies, we know what their fucking planets are made of for christ sake), and, as it turns out, there's *NOTHING* fucking here.
Remember in Kotor II when you enter into a tomb that haunts you with visions of your past? And in those visions, your character can actively speak from their experiences, because they already know the future of these events, and the visions speak back, regarding your comments with the future context, but in a way that the visions would have in the past *without* your future context? I remember. Too bad the writers don't or are too inept to do the same.
Remember in Kotor ll where characters actually talked about their perspective and experiences that support the grandiose statments they make rather than just vaugly alluding to ideas with shallow platitudes?
@@nobody2996 Filoni wanted to make an OC Kreia, but he hasn't even a fraction of the intelligence
I remember too. That’s when Kreia makes her “Apathy is death” speech.
@@dearthofdoohickeys4703 "Kreia"
26:26
"Go Hayden, kill her!" "I wish"
To quote a much better piece of media than what you're forced to sit through here "Too late,15 years too late"
Gotta admit, "Chekhov's Space Whales" wasn't on my bingo card today...
"General, we've been on this planet for twenty plus years. Shouldn't we go find Ezra?"
"No. We must wait."
"Wha? Wait for what sir?"
"There are people coming who can do it for us."
"But, we have troops. And a star destroyer. And the Nightsisters' magic."
*[Thrawn tosses that guy out a window]*
Small note: Appearently it's more like 8-12 years and it's not completely clear how much. But the rest is still valid
Luke is too busy teaching his class of 0 students to come help the galaxy from another reign of the empire
Getting ready to execute his nephew when he has a bad dream, takes time to mentally prepare yourself for that you know?
When Mauler said “Star Wars was such a big cow to milk” I couldn’t help but think “and someone confused the udders with the arse’ole”.
I’m half convinced that the reason your detractors cling so thoroughly to this episode is because they’ve genuinely don’t recall anything better.
If their entire media literacy can be shown on Disney Plus, then they’ll hold sacred any scrap of character “development” Disney offers them.
I’m glad, then, that you showed good examples. People should realize that they have to search to find treasure, that it’s not just outside their doorstep.
And not just good examples: good examples starring female characters. It goes to show that it’s not an issue of the sexes, it’s an issue of writing
Not everything has to be expertly written next level Shakespeare to be enjoyable.
@@Maverick0420
the dumbest thing I've seen in this comment section icl
@@Maverick0420 No, but we have to have better standards than a glorified fetch quest
Yes, not everything needs to be masterfully written, but we can't even get decently written.
I VADERED all over the place and it came out RED
…i’m a bit worried actually
You need to a see a feminist about that.
They might have an answer for you.
Always so nice to see someone like Ahsoka pull out the Force Echo power that Cal Kestis had and we were told was so absolutely rare you had to be born with it and can't be taught it from nothing.
But I suppose it's just a matter of respeccing and putting points in the Force Skilltree. Gods know she didn't put them into lightsaber combat.
*Spoilers*
In Star Wars Rebels Ahsoka actually meets Darth Vader and the two have an epic battle that was surprisingly emotional (if you grew up watching the Clone Wars like me) and had a really dark but mature ending. Ahsoka dies by the hand of Vader her former master. I think this was the perfect ending to her character, and I gave Dave praise for allowing this to happen... then the World between Worlds was introduced and had Ezra bring Ahsoka back through that time travel... honestly her dying by Vader was the best ending I think. I felt it was really ruined.
@edwindejesus73 As much as I had issues with Rebels, Ahsoka confronting Anakin was genuinely one of the better moments in that series. The history between those two was well established, you saw the sadness in Ahsoka and finally you got a pretty cool ending that fit within the canon. But leave it to Filoni to never allow his OC to die.
One has to wonder about Sabine's psychological health. She spent 10 years pining after Ezra. Jesus. Most normal people move on. She's obsessed and that's a mental health disorder.
In which case, she's still not as bad as Wonder Woman, pining for close to 70 years, lol
Only to friendzone him.
10 year pinning.
Not an inch of feeling :/
You know how the meme behind Darth Maul is “Local Man Too Angry to Die?”
I’d like to introduce “Local Woman Too Female to Die.” It can be applied at several points in this show…
Correction as it should be any main female character
...aight
Correction “Local woman too strong independent boring female to die” XD
Sion did it first-
That giant Hyperdrive Ring is equivalent to Spaceballs' ludicrous speed, well ludicrous speed makes more sense at least.
At least Ludicrous Speed was hilarious. This is just nothingness
What about it doesn't make sense?
"Okay, Hayden - we need you to enact a duel with Ahsoka."
"Got it."
...
"Could you go a bit slower? The actress can't keep up."
"Sure, no problem."
...
"A bit slower."
"Okay."
...
"Slower."
"Uh... yeah."
...
"Okay, just a liiiiittle bit more."
"If I go any slower, I'll be going back in time."
Watching shills praise this utter garbage made my blood boil, not because i hate this franchise, but because i loved it so much, long time ago. Mauler, your answer on the stream about the potential of you playing KOTORs gave me hope, they are all i have left from my star wars passion (especially KOTOR II). Sorry for my bad english).
KOTOR II was peak star wars story telling, nothing has been able to surpass or even reach its level.
I love hearing Rags vent about guns and war tactics.
I love how when DIsney started their new canon the Battle of Jakku was apparenlty this massive event that finally ended the Empire but now apparently the Empire is still around and a big threat after it happened
And you only see the Battle of Jakku in a video game. EA’s Battlefront 2, as the final mission of the campaign
But you're forgetting that The Empire is *officially*, as per New Republic definition, destroyed. There are only *Imperial Remnants* which is something completely different of course and also they are disparate warlords and no danger at all.
This writing is so pathetic... "We need the Empire as dangerous, but we also don't want the New Republic to fight them, because our heroes need to win against all odds!". And in the process they destroy any form of interest in the New Republic and our OT heroes appearently do nothing at all.
This series is really difficult to watch in the Kenobi way, the crew outlined how it could’ve been done as “Ben lives as a bounty hunter and has a come to Jesus moment hiding Luke”. In the same way, I find it hard to consume Ahsoka because SO MUCH is workable but broken because this company has no one willing to shave/buff/edit ideas beyond “isn’t it cool” or “the stans people will love this”:
-Space whales. Star Trek and Stellaris both handle this fine. You can have big creatures that fold spacetime/have adapted to migrate long distances. Maybe they feed off solar winds or are based on minerals they gather in nebula. Maybe they adapted in a gas giant planet so they’re super big. But here they literally are just sea whales made bigger and inexplicably fly, their anatomy, their mouths, their hyperspace engine tentacles(???), their whole existence is confusing and messy. It’s laughable only because it’s so ill conceived and hamfistedly presented.
-Incompetent Republic. I’ve waxed on this before, but there’s a logical in universe reason the Republic could be broken here. Unifying existential enemy (Empire) is gone so now conflicts between the Rebels’ internal factions could grow over the spoils. Systems terrorized by the last central government could refuse a powerful military and after paying for a rebellion they insist on a looser, more “you’re on your own” attitude of self-defense, maybe there’s 5 different groups of planets that band together national guards while they decommission the Imperial Navy. The traumatized galaxy is relearning self government and that rarely goes well in real life (see: former Soviet Union) and Leia is doing her best but is one woman. Great opportunity to show that winning the peace is often harder than the war itself.
-Dark Jedi: They’ve bungled this since TLJ. Is Baylon searching for power? Is he disillusioned because the Jedi didn’t live up to their name, or does he feel abandoned? Is he searching for a more aggressive sense of justice as his Order was built for, or bringing order, or vengeance, or what? Kylo Ren rejecting Jedi and Sith alike was the one decent idea in TLJ but it went nowhere in TROS and since then has gotten even messier. Does Luke advise the Republic? Has Luke tried to reconcile the new order’s rules with the old order’s failures and vapid arrogance? Is he concerned at all about these threats? Nowhere to be found.
-Ahsoka and Sabine: Why did we get scenes that Sabine is learning first-week lessons in the Force if they already had a preexisting master-student relationship? Why write an offscreen backstory and falling out and then still write scenes that feel like the start of that relationship? Why not have Sabine get looped into the hunt for Ezra and while working with Ashoka start the training process, so it’s not out of left field that she has Force abilities and perhaps the falling out occurs precisely over the Ezra issue?
From the get go, Disney has seen this as an easy cash grab and had no commitment to providing a real story, it’s just “whatever will put asses in seats and move merch”. Lucas was a craven merchandiser too but at least he wanted to hook you on his world and sell you toys that brought it to life. No one at Disney has even the passing thought to second draft any idea, no one pushes back or says “well what’s the logic here, how does this work”. No one loves it enough to put in that effort, not even the fans’ dear Filoni, the “best” (relatively) hacks only love how KEWL their own fan fiction is irrespective of whether it fits and couldn’t care less about making something lasting. It will stay this way until there’s a clean house. Worldbuilding, character, and themes all lose to KEWL. I gave up on Star Wars a long time ago, but to those who ask “then why do you care so much”, I say, one, because I cared deeply for it at one time, and two, because it’s like watching a dear loved one’s corpse get exhumed and then defiled by people who claim to love them. Screw everyone at Lucasfilm.
Incredibly well put. You perfectly summed up how I feel about not only this show, but the state of this entire franchise as well
I'm glad someone else also think the space whales (or Tiyanki) are handled better in Stellaris
I was thinking the space whales was filoni trying to worm the yuuzhan vong into the disney canon.
Imagine a hyperspace whale doing a "Holdo maneuver"
Mauler made that joke during the real BBC a few weeks ago. In a whale voice. It deserves to be clipped.
Wait...Thrawn has been trying to find Ezra for years...and it turns out that he’s been living in an open-air village less than a day’s travel away?
That’s like finding out that bin Laden was ‘hiding’ in a tent on the lawn of the White House.
So to recap:
Sabine made a deal with the enemy, put the entire galaxy at risk, left Ashoka for dead all so she could see one specific guy again?
Yes, and she barely cares for the guy 😂
You guys missed Hera saying "What good is a high rank if you can't use it every now and then?" I'm supposed to like this character and think that's cool and endearing, right? This absolute piece of shit character abuses her position, again, and shows no maturity. She's supposed to be a general? Amazing character 10/10.
The vision should have been about Ahsoka fighting alongside Bo Katan during the siege of Mandalore, and she should have been feeling more guilty than Bo Katan because she was the one who fought with the faction that later becomes the Empire, the Faction that responsible for Mandalore's downfall, instead of feeling bad because people die in war. She should be having this vision considering the fact that her apprentice is a Mandalorian.
Ashoka: I am Jedi so technically i out rank you (Rex, Anakin's Captains)
Rex: In my book experience outranks everything
Who gave a command posting to a literal *child* ?
The Republic seems to be led by actual morons
The day a 'Star Wars fan' told me he believes mediocre work is enough because 'us fans are also writers in a way' and he 'loves making head cannons for everyone' I knew we were too far gone.
"You are going down a path I can't follow"
just helpfully remind them that 'headcannon' is an admission the writer is indeed crap. The more details you have to provide, the worse the original script is. If they don't believe you, tell them to try reading something not from the young adult section and see what a world of difference it makes....
harsh but true, I just don't bother talking to them anymore. They tend to change their minds once the nostalgia wears off anyway. @@petriew2018
Remember how the Sand People brought Banthas to serve as cover when they're shot by sudden Gun Trains? Thats what Sabine wants from her dog horse. Be like the noble, self-sacrifing bantha, dog horse.
Yes. Like a Bantha.
Hera’s goggles are just insane to me. First, they’re pointless. A spaceship is geeeenerally airtight. Second, they’re so wide they wouldn’t even fit her face. Why do they do these things to me? All I’ve done is hate everything they do, think, and are. Is that so bad?
Because anime cool and anime people have goggles on hat
Could be for protection from harsh light. Flying around a sun, it'd be handy to have.
But still, your comment got me thinking, what's the point of the visor on a X-Wing helmet? Air tight cockpit and all, it's not necessary.
Watching Anakin sword fight a child in live action is really something else.
What's even funnier is Child Ahsoka is putting in a better performance in both the acting and fight choreography than Adult Ahsoka
Ep3 temple action
She was already like what, 20-something at the Siege of Mandalore, no? She looked older than the little kid there. And again, why did Filoni just introduce beskar out of nowhere for the Mandalorian show, when that was very much NOT a thing in the same Clone Wars and Rebels HE wrote? Those guys had just regular armor that was about as ineffective as clone armor in blocking shots. In fact until beskar, in SW armor did not mean a thing. I never saw any character survive a shot thanks to armor...
She was 16-17 during the siege of Mandalore
I have to put this in here somewhere just for the sake of my fucking sanity.
In Heir to the Empire (and the two following novels) Grand Admiral Thrawn was the preeminent antagonist. He was a Chiss commander who replaced Palpatine after he died and the Empire was broken. With barely any resources left and no political power worth speaking of Thrawn attempted to upset the Republic and reinstate the Empire before it died completely. One of the amazing choices that Timothy Zahn, the writer of this and several other amazing Star Wars novels, made was reversing the roles in the classic Star Wars conflict: making the good guys the overwhelming force and the bad guys the underdogs.
What made Thrawn such an amazing character was his incredible ability to anticipate his opponents decisions by studying their cultural heritage. There was multiple scenes in the Heir to the Empire trilogy where Thrawn made a point of talking about the culture and particularly the art of a particular society that he was either invading or subjugating. One particular scene he even referenced a particular new trend in his opponent's artistic development in recent years that allowed him to anticipate what kind of military response they would make to his attack.
Even more than this was his unusual strategies. One notable example is he wanted to isolate Coruscant to allow him to freely maneuver in Republic space for a little bit and so what he did was he cloaked a bunch of asteroids and used a tractor beam to release them into decaying orbits in Coruscant's atmosphere to force Coruscant to put up their planetary shield for a lengthy period of time, thereby limiting their communications and preventing anyone from leaving the planet. A brilliant strategy that accomplished exactly what he desired.
Ultimately he was undone by the rebellion of his personal guards. His personal guards were entirely comprised of a specific race of aliens that were highly agile and viciously loyal . Thrawn managed to achieve their loyalty by tricking them into thinking that he saved their planet from ecological devastation when in reality Thrawn himself was causing the problems on their planet in order to keep their race constantly in need of his "assistance". They turned on his when the trick was revealed and they killed him as he watched the remnants of the Empire die around him, signaling the complete end of the Empire and the beginnings of the era known as "The New Jedi Order", which grew out of the new Jedi temple that Luke built on Yavin IV during these events (a far better path for him than the shit Disney did to him).
This stupid and ridiculous interpretation of Thrawn is just a vapid and hollow as the rest of this series and the entirety of Disney Star Wars as a whole. All we ever needed was accurate movie adaptations of the Thrawn trilogy to jumpstart a new era of Star Wars content, but instead Disney and their retarded executives decided to dump all of that into the trash, state "we didn't have any source material", and then shit out this garbage over and over again. Star Wars' legacy is dead as long as this shitty company controls its output.
EDIT: Oh, for anyone that reads this rant, I should add that this bullshit with Thrawn being obsessed with honor to the point of his self destruction is complete bullshit, the original character would never have done stupid moves like this.
Coruscant being under constant barrage made it do that people couldn't leave or communicate with the outside world?
So how to the heroes do a Skype call with their buddy to get info on their target? And how do they hitch a ride over to a casino that's in perfect peacetime? A planet being constricted like that would just get in the way of good writing, no?
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Chris Gore was right. They really have just gutted any concept of romance from Star Wars. All we're allowed is platonic friends now. Imagine how much more dramatic and emotional it might've been if Sabine actually had some romantic interest in Ezra and vice versa. Give it some humanity. But no. Dave Bologna saved Star Wars, gang!
They can't show a gay relationship without pissing off most of their audience and they can't show a straight relationship without pissing off most of their employees.
No Rags, in actual star wars, the galaxy is isolated and they never leave it. In the EU, there is an invading alien race that came from another galaxy and that was the first ever. They were even completely cut off from the force and unaffected by it.
Galaxy is so damn big, how us it not enough for storytellers?
@@Psycorde lack of imagination. Like the EFAP crew said, not long until they add the milky way to Star Wars, tbh
I find it funny that of the 3 lessons we have on screen (Luke on Degobah, Rey on....Aktu(?), and now Ahsoka in the world between worlds) only one of them can get the point across while being a hair subtle, and the other two are trying to be too subtle and mysterious.
DO YOU GUYS REMEMBER ANAKIN? I SURE AS HELL DO!
I CLAPPED BECAUSE I KNOW STAR WARS
OH MY GOD!!!
AT-STs, AT-STs! 🕺
HIS LIGHTSABER TURNED RED
Mooler: I do not fear the long. But that thing.... it scares me.
*Dave Filoni pause of nothing happening*
This is getting out of hand!
Now there are two of them!
Remember when the EU created the Yuzzhan Vong, an extragalactic race with an entirely different technology tree that posed a catastrophic threat to the galaxy, bringing the New Republic together with the Imperial Remnant to fight them?
Those were good times...
And completely unaffected by the Force
This is probably Rag's most accurate pfp
"It could go anywhere... "
"but it's better than going nowhere."
Okay so what if after seeing what happens at the end of this season it turns out if Ahsoka stayed behind and prepped the Republic for Thrawn's arrival it would save more lives than trying to chase after Thrawn and achieving very little before returning to the main galaxy
Plus the jammer left with the Ring (as they can call Mon Mothma in these episodes). So they can indeed convince the Republic and then just shoot down a single broken Star Destroyer and a Ring that can' even shoot back.
It's wild to me to think that just a few years ago I was one of those people going around spouting the "Dave Filoni is saving star wars" rhetoric. Now I see the glaring flaws in all of these shows
CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT!!! :)
When a random commenter has more character development than Rey Palpatine.
That little girl spinning and trying to breakdance in a warzone is the best lightsaber combat from Ahsoka in this entire series, cause as badly executed as it is, at least she's MOVING!
Old lady Ahsoka is SO slow when her fighting style is the OPPOSITE of that.
Ok so for episode 6, I just quickly googled Hyperspace Route, or Hyperlane as they have like 6 different names for some reason.
The wiki page is very short, it's like ONE entry. Here's the most important part.
"Hyperlanes were routes through space in which a spaceship could safely travel without colliding with a body in space, or some other phenomenon such as a black hole."
So, it should be quite easy to get to a new galaxy. There's nothing between galaxies, galaxies are where the stuff in the universe is. That's what makes them galaxies. So getting to another galaxy is just a matter of finding it, tracking it, and then jumping to it. You can drop out of hyperspace and then do another jump too, that's SO common in the galaxy pirates would camp those areas in the routes and attack ships. So you don't even need so many hyperdrives, you can just take longer to get there.
The dangerous part is finding hyperlanes WITHIN galaxies, cause that's obviously quite dangerous. If Thrawn is so important, they didn't need a map. They just needed to go to this galaxy and have droids that can map hyperspace routes. With the resources they put into this absurd ring thing, they could absolutely make DOZENS even HUNDREDS of probe like droids specifically designed to look for hyperlanes.
This show treats a hyperlane like hyperdrives just don't work if you're not in one, like it's a physical tunnel that hyperdrives let you dip into.
They could be TOTALLY silent by using their resources much more intelligently and just sneak out of the galaxy and spend more time looking for Thrawn. They could set up a base, establish a foothold in this galaxy, set up listening equipment and scanners to look for Thrawn even faster, then they could start conquering this OTHER galaxy and when they've achieved enough power they could assault the star wars galaxy in force from MULTIPLE angles. That'd be PRETTY fucking cool. Thrawn's an alien too, you can even say he can live like 200 years and just bring him in and THAT'S the fucking sequel trilogy, not the SHIT we got. It's Thrawn returning with an army created in another galaxy, an army composed of SITH that the new Jedi Order must battle.
Instead we got Marey Sue and her band of people she's known an hour total.
OH FUCK I JUST SAW THE SCENE WHERE SHE SCREAMS AT THE ALIEN PACKHORSE!
Oh nobody else I've seen review it has commented on that scene. Ok, let's do this.
Ahem. So, I'm going to be GENEROUS as I can possibly be. I'm going to assume this animal has the temperament and training of a Warhorse.
Warhorses were a specific breed of horse that had the skittishness bred out of them and were trained basically to follow orders, period. They were very expensive, because they were very well trained animals and made you a fucking beast on the battlefield.
So here's how they would work. You ride into battle on your warhorse and that horse will do what you say, PERIOD. If you make it gallop towards a group of soldiers, it will charge and it will go THROUGH those fucking soldiers. A normal horse, if it gets spooked, and many things can spook it these are PREY animals, it will rear up and throw you, very likely injuring you badly. Warhorses don't do that, or it's MUCH harder to get them to be afraid. Now if you need to get OFF your horse for some reason and continue to battle, maybe it's getting too dangerous for your horse, as it's becoming a target. You DON'T want your horse to die, again, EXPENSIVE and very useful.
So if you dismount, that horse will be TRAINED to run away, because if you get off it, you aren't using it, it needs to be somewhere safe. It'll either run out of the battle or back to like its handlers or something. Whatever it's trained to do, it's NOT trained to stick around and start kicking, that's how it dies, and then you've lost loads of money for no reason. When you want it to come back, you whistle or give whatever signal it's trained to respond to and it'll follow that sound and come back to you.
So being as GENEROUS as I can be, if that animal is trained as a warhorse was trained, and it's VERY clearly an alien horse, it doesn't have any big claws or fangs or even horns, then it did EXACTLY what it should have done and Sabine is a huge cunt for getting angry at it when ALL it could possibly do was get in her way and get killed. Probably BY Sabine given how shit she is with blasters.
"I haven't taught you everything yet" *Cuts light-bridge*
She literally did this too Darth Maul on Mandalore
You guys spoil us.
Not only Saw 1 and 2 to start the month, but also the best Star War since the last Star War! Much love
Loved it when they warred all over that star. #Absolutely #peak #Star #Wars
@@HerohammerStudios Especially when the vader did an Anakin and then vadered right after! Such great Star!
@@VeternovaYTRED
I was talking to a friend of mine a few days ago.
We were talking about Ahsoka, she is a die-hard fan of Rebels and hated my criticism of it (even after I explained that I grew up with the EU and thought Rebels was a slap to the face to the EU), and loved Ezra.
I asked her if she had seen episode six yet. She said she didn't know, and I commented (Thrawn and Ezra are her favorite characters), that she would remember that if she saw it. It was offhand, and I was thinking about her being hyped about seeing them again.
Her reply: “I barely remember the first episode!”
I was knocked back by that as she has always gushed about Rebels, but she doesn't remember Ahsoka in the first episode or where she was in the whole series.
It really says something.
Lemme guess: loves the ideas and the hype around it, but watches it over her phone?
Some of the hardest laughs from an EFAP mini, and unlike how it often is with Batwoman, the show does no favours, the cast and editing alone were painfully funny 😂
My first introduction into Star Wars book as a child was Heir to the Empire. When I heard Thrawn was in Rebels I knew it was the end of my childhood love of Star Wars, but just is just the nail in the coffin. I hope everyone who begged for Thrawn to be added to canon and hate him now LIKE WHAT THEY GOT
As with most legends material Dave filoni touch it gets watered down and used wrong. Heck I don’t think he’s gotten it correct even once.
@@ibleminenTimothy Zahn got two canon trilogies out of it. One is decent, the other is whatever.
48:00 This part reminds me of the opening to mass effect 1, where Joker talks about flying halfway across the galaxy, how a 1500 km drift is akin to hitting the a target the size of a pinhead. AND he's easily one of the best human pilots in the galaxy. In the OT as well, the places that they go are calculated by a supercomputer specifically so that they don't hit something, or go off course.
Star Wars, even as a caricature, exists far more in the memories and head canon of fans than it does in the studios at this point. Filoni takes full advantage of that by letting these people see what they want to see - he creates as blank an experience as possible, so these desperate fans can project as much of their own Star Wars onto it as possible.
Case in point, Thrawn is not threatening, or imposing, or anything, but I’ve seen fans describe him as such because he MUST BE and they are willing to see him as such because they couldn’t stand the disappointment of that NOT being the case. Filoni’s utterly blank writing is not a mistake, it’s a feature, for this very reason.
Ahsoka: I won't fight you
Anakin: I've heard that before
Um, the most obvious interpretation of that is a reference to Return of the Jedi, which makes this Anakin post throne room fight, and must be Anakin, since Ahsoka would have no knowledge of that dialogue (since why we should talk to Luke about anything substantive?)
If you think about it, Dave Filoni is a genius.
He's the first person to make someone cream themselves by pressing a powerpoint slideshow back and forth really quickly
I've been waiting for them to tear into these episodes in particular.
Everything Rags had said about Luke showing up in Mando S2 has come to pass.
Theo: So how does it feel to know that they'll always lap this shit up?
Me: *Looks at the Pokemon community*... ... ... I'm used to it.
FFXIV fan here. Yeah you get used to the idea that a sizeable and wayyyyyy too vocal chunk of an audience will happily lap up any shit if it hits them in the feels enough.
The dead body ring is from the invincible comics books. The Viltrimites used the bodies of their dead as a ring around their planet. lol.
"A not as long time ago, in a different galaxy farther, far away...."
Thrawn is the living embodiment of cope in this show. The heroes win and he's left there being all "ohhh- uhh, I meant to do that, actually. This is a good thing for us, actually." That's not how you write a smart character...
Its Hollywood's version of modern art. People watch it not knowing what it actually is, or that it has no actual substance. They paid the entrance fee just to feel like they are apart of culture. They say it's good but they just don't want to have people realise they don't know what it is.
There is an actual explanation for why certain species can interbreed in legends
Also in the clone wars show, a clone has two kids with a twi'lek and both kids had the head tails, so dave just forgot about that
He adopted them. The age doesn't match.
You know it'd be a cute little detail if they had some conversation about how he was adopted and he likes dyeing his hair so he looks more like his adoptive mother.
Sadly, this show is Disney slop. The ability to have a simple "That's cute." moment that makes any sense whatsoever is so far beyond the capability of Disney's writers that it is near impossible. It's more likely that they actually think that a hybrid of a human and a green tentacle head alien will look like a human with vaguely green hair.
@@Alex_Fahey thats literally her child and that was established back in rebels, I know dave likes to retcon everything but thats a pretty big detail, even for him
@leonrussell9607 If that familial relation is true, it being canon just makes more people silly, not less. I'm not a fool who is stubbornly tied to the crazy parts of EU canon, like many of the species of Star Wars being able to interbreed with ease despite having ridiculously different physiology.
You'd have a better chance of having offspring with a raccoon than whatever genetic lineage led to secondary brain cases stored in head tentacles that double as ears, hands, and erogenous zones.
@@Alex_Fahey the lore is that all the humanoid species derive from one species that was genetically modified by the first empire
The kid's name is Jacen? ffs Filoni can't come up with anything on his own. Whether he takes references from other things or just straight canabalizes the EU that Disney-LucasFilm decided to kill off to make their own stuff, until that stuff failed and they got desperate. So Filoni takes Thrawn & Heir to the Empire, takes that story from Luke, and gives this hack job storyline to his girl boss OC, Ahsoka. He can't even name the kid of Kanan and Hera without stealing the name Jacen from the EU. The EU had Jacen Solo decades before. They already did Jacen Solo dirty by stealing his concept, butchering it, and making the utter joke of a character known as Ben Solo/Kylo Ren. Just leave Timothy Zahn's creations alone already.