NTX 2500 - Chirurgischer Hammer / Surgical Hammer
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024
- 6-Seiten Turn & Mill Komplettbearbeitung eines chirurgischen Hammers aus Edelstahl auf einer NTX 2500.
6-sided turn & mill complete machining of a surgical hammer made of stainless steel on an NTX 2500.
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It's a good short demonstration of 5+ axis machine's capabilities, but there's much more.
I've programmed and run a Nakamura NTX, similar but not identical to this machine. These machines use multiple coordinate systems during multiple operations, running as many as three programs simultaneously - the potential for 'crashing' the machine is way up there, programming safe zones (travel limits) would make some operations impossible.
'Handshakes' are used between programs to coordinate operations that overlap in an area of the part.
One of the parts we ran where hydraulic pump housings - all six outside faces as well as inside machining, milling, spotting, drilling, tapping, pre-bore and reaming, turning, thread turning, boring, some 'off axis', some 3D surfacing, left and right side operations running simultaneously.
A raw casting went in the left chuck, a finished part came out of the right, 12 minutes later.
The capabilities of these machines are only limited by part size and the machinists imagination.
May I ask what programs I should learn to become a programmer of such machines?
Nakamura has inhouse software that works with their machines. Some even have their own programming language. But being fluent in g-code is a start.
@@Karanar Thanks.
@@Splatterpunk_OldNewYork yeah definetly g-code to get understand paths and then look what Machines you will be using and learn their specific code
@@tekaruki3674 On it. Already designing my own parts and 3d printing them on my home machine. Time to deep dive.
That's a rather unique shape for a surgical hammer.
The reason is that orthopedic surgeons, when they place a hip implant in the femur will place it attached to a metal rod. You slide the hammer along the rod to drive the implant into the intramedullary canal of the bone. That's why you have that big cut in the middle of the head of the hammer. Everything is press fit, and the same is true if you need to extract the implant. You screw in a metal rod, then slide the hammer towards the stop at the top of it to pull it out. The weight itself is precise, and you use different weights for different applications. The spherical hand grip is there because it's 1) easy to clean and 2) easy to grip when you've got 2 layers of non-latex gloves on and they're covered in fatty fluid that makes everything slippery as hell. I would argue there are better handle designs though. The only thing I don't get is the drill holes in those spheres in the handle. Those are just a nightmare to clean and would be a nexus for infection if the washers do a poor job.
Believe it or not, that thing is probably one of the most nitpicked designed tools in history. Orthopedic surgeons are demanding people =)
@@kma3647 Thanks for the insight, doc!
@@kma3647 - Bitch, please. Ain’t no surgical hammer require this much precision. A hammer is a hammer. For surgical needs, it only needs to be sterilized. It’s not like the thing is flying on a satellite to international space station. This video is purely marketing hype.
@@Samuel-km5yf Lol.
@@kma3647 the best part is, these holes (and the flat surface for them) are made is such a weird way, that I belive it was only to showcase some 5-axis posibilities. They literally do flat surfaces 30s later w/o spinning of the detail (hammer) with simple flat milling
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My mom has one of these hammers in her nightstand. She never told me she was a surgeon!
Are you really sure she isn't a surgeon? Rectal Endoscopy is a real thing you know.
its not the same thing if you put batteries in it.
Best Momma joke today 😆
I wanted to make similar joke, but you was first
@@bobmillerick300 Well yeah, then it's an electric surgical hammer. The dual 18650 model is okay but the pros are all using the wired 240V models. Those things'll rattle your hoo-ha from upstairs.
Tolles Video ! Einfach Hammer !
Super Werkzeugauslegung !
Dickes Lob an DMG Mori sowie an
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I enjoyed the irony of seeing this fantastic space-age robot manufacturing machine being used to make a hammer, one of mankind's earliest tools.
I just ordered 3 of these CNC's to help with my day to day routines. Cheap and easy solutions.
I'd like one DMG MORI to butter my toast in the morning, another to tie my boots. Perhaps another to dust my bookshelves?
American hospitals be like: that will be $10000 for 1 strike using this hammer.
To pay for all the migrants who'll never pay a dime.
@@ShortArmOfGod No, to pay all the middle men and to rip off people who can't afford insurance.
@@ShortArmOfGod You don't even live in the US.
If you have proper insurance.
@@coyte It's called paying taxes.
What an incredible demonstration that was!
One hell of an expensive hammer that is.
Well... Not a mass consumption product, after all.
@@Silver_Nomad More like this isn't a product that should exist at all, perhaps the most wastefully produced hammer in history. Hopefully it isn't a real product and is instead just an impressive looking machine demo, because I don't really want to think that hospitals are actually paying for these $15,000 hammers.
Machining time? Probably 20 minutes.
If you go with 100$ an hour for the machine
20$ in material and 20$ for the guys that's handling it you can to charge 60$ for the Hammer.
Not to bad
@@SuperDeinVadda at 2:00 it says 'machine time: 50 minutes'
@@D3kKromb0x you sweet summer child
I see these videos and cannot help but think if a machinist from the 1920's saw this...."what is this magic"?
I bet some Indians (east) would look at that and say "I could do that in three moves and with half the materials". And probably could. Their ingenuity is off the scale.
@@j.p.8276 wrong
@@j.p.8276 wtf you talking about
@@jujuyee2534 It is self explanatory???
@@mattmilauskas5727 About what??? I was a question, an observation. What could I possibly be wrong about. Do you Orville and Wilbur would be amazed by a jumbo jet??? Get real.
Wow this looks so insane...for me as a CNC guy.
My work place is getting a couple of 5 axis mills from dmg mori I am so excited 🤗
Is it for putting the patient to sleep during the surgery? 😅
Visually beautiful, but all those fake machine sounds and machining sounds are unnecessarily annoying and distracting.
Just the music without any fake machine sound would have suited the video better in my opinion.
ruclips.net/channel/UCaHc-0hG_b2Xc_R__pid2xQ
What the sound is fake 🤨 ?
I laughed my ass off when they touched the probe off. The audio in this video is so uncanny, it’s like a machinist fever dream. The fake spindle noises and cutting is just icing on the cake 🤣
@@Pauleeeeeeee Especially the center drilling lol
God, NO! Play the actual sound of the machine. You had it when you shot the video and put effort into getting rid of it. Then put more effort into laying on that insipid, pointless musical noise.
Oh, BTW… stupidest, most wasteful way to make a hammer ever. I’m still not convinced that this wasn’t a Rube Goldberg joke about how complicated someone can make it to make a hammer.
If you’re wondering about “wasted material” it’s not wasted. Most machine shops sell their metal chips/scrap to be recycled
But the scrap is sold for fraction of original stock. This process is ok for one piece show-off, not really usable if you want to make money from it. I personally like when piece is cleverly engineered to use the smallest stock possible than brute-forcing it from huge chunk.
@@TheJesterOAO : I think this is only a demonstration of the machine capability. If the purpose is mass production, making it out of two pieces would make it much economical. Not to mention using this machine for the surgical hammer is overkill and not productive. A cnc lathe for the handle and a cnc mill for the head; and proper tooling would make the product much more cheaper. Then again for some hospitals even if it costs them 400-1000 usd would be cheap and good investment.
@@comprehendnature2404 exactly what I meant 😉 but it's nice to watch nonetheless.
@@TheJesterOAO from what i saw that was the smallest stock possible. Making parts out of two pieces of material is often worse for the end product because of the introduced joint(s) which can introduce flex and/or stress points that weaken the end product,. Even welding can create differences in heat treatment in local areas which can have a tendency to fail. A piece of stock that you can make the whole hammer out of in this instance is much preferred (even if for this specific example it doesn't matter one bit). You could alternatively cast something, but depending on the material it might not be feasible (read: cheaper), as well as unless you're doing large runs (probably 100's or more, maybe even 1000's or more) it really isn't worth it when any local supplier can give you on pretty quick notice 20 foot bars of material of almost any heat treat or metal you need
@@TheJesterOAO Time is money. It's actually way more wasteful to do what you're saying with how fast today's cutters can cut in modern cnc machining. If it's not your profession, I guarantee your idea would create more waste. Trust the machinists.
als maschinenbau-student muss ich sagen: wirklich beeindruckend!
@@ndanda1693 na das hast du dir ja schon ganz toll selbst erklärt.
allerdings würde mich mal interessieren, was hier grammatikalisch falsch war.
immerhin habe ich bei dieser transkription versucht meinem umgangssprachlichen ausspruch umgangssprachliche betonung zu verleihen. daher der doppelpunkt, falls der der grund für deine antwort war...
@@ndanda1693 geh hier den leuten nicht auf die nerven und kümmer dich um deinen kram
@@ndanda1693 stell dir vor, ich habe auch Abitur , mit einem Schnitt von 1,4 um genau zu sein, aber das bringt mich trotzdem nicht dazu anderen Leuten irgendwas von wegen Grammatik und Orthographie aufzuschwatzen
@@ndanda1693 in der Tat
@@ndanda1693 wieso jetzt auf einmal rechtschreibung? ich dachte du hättest dich an der grammatik aufgehangen? groß- und kleinschreibung vernachlässige ich absichtlich, weil ich kein vernünftiges 10-finger-tastaturschreiben beherrsche und es hier nicht um eine diplomarbeit geht.
was war denn nun oben grammatikalisch falsch?
То самое , когда слюни текут вместе со слезами ... 😊
Слезы потому что центр убрал токаря,фрезеровщика как отдельные специальности?)
@@googlofan Слюни - потому что у меня такого нет , а слёзы - потому что никогда не будет . 😊
Traditional anaesthesia for me, please.
Question: can I get that hammer with a good surface finish, what the hell is that?
0:38 somebody please explain that to me. How is it possible that it has two flat sides opposite to each other as seen at 0:46? I mean it was spinning, how does that work? Or was the part actually elliptical and the tool just cut off that "overhang" with a large radius and those sides are not actually flat? I don't get it
I think there is a sight curve, but like it's small enough to be negligible? Idk maybe they did most of the cut as elliptical and finished with the mill
Its called polygonal milling. Its an efficient way to make polygonal faces on lathe(which traditionally was done by the y-axis mill). Its already used in high volume manufacturing, like making hexagonal bolt heads on multi spindle CNC machines.
@@l0_0l45 thanks for the info, really appreciate it!
@@athmaid 👍
@@l0_0l45 this is so much easier to understand than rotary broaching though imho, but maybe I'm just dumb haha
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Nice I ve been shown a machine I have no place to store, nor will I ever afford
This is a good machine. But is that a common design for hammers used by doctors?
To many holes and ridges it seems to me. Hard to clean.
They're cleaned with enzymes and power washers. As for the design, yes, for doing long bone implants into the femur or tibia, you'll see things like this. You can also use a more standard looking hammer. This was clearly a design meant to show off the robot mill's capabilities.
Weiß jemand, ob der in Serie auch so gefertigt wird oder ob das nur eine Demo ist?
50 Minuten auf so einer Maschine ....da würde der Hammer etwa 300-500 eur kosten.
Ja, wird tatsächlich so gemacht. Die kosten am Ende sogar weit mehr als 500 Euro.
Krass - kann jemand erklären warum der Hammer so gefertigt wird wie er es wird?
Naiv gedacht komme ich nicht drauf, warum ein Arzt ein derart aufwändiges Werkzeug benötigt.
@@chewinsky 1. Medizinisches Equipment muss, auch wenn es nur ein Hammer ist, sehr teure Zulassungen und Zertifizierungen erhalten. Das treibt zwar die Kosten für das Werkzeug in die Höhe, da aber die Hersteller genau wissen, dass Krankenhäuser keine andere Wahl haben, als eben deren zertifiziertes Werzeug zu benutzen, können sie den Preis in wahnwitzige Höhen treiben. Gleichzeitig ist der Absatzmarkt für medizinisches Werkzeug aber aucg winzig. Damit es sich wirtschaftlich für den Hersteller lohnt so etwas zu fertigen, muss er es eben teuer machen, damit er dennoch daran verdient. Die Stückzahlen sind sehr gering.
Durch die niedrigen Stückzahlen lohnt sich eine Großserienfertigung nicht, da Großserienanlagen sehr spezialisiert sind und dann eben nur Hammer herstellen könnte. Ein Medizintechnikhersteller fertigt aber auch diverse andere Geräte. Daher hat er einen Fuhrpark an CNC Fräsen, mit denen er eine Vielzahl an verschiedenen Produkten in Kleinserie fertigen kann. Das ist für ihn günstiger. Wenn er dann den hammer eh schon fräsen lässt, dann kann er den designtechnisch auch fancy gestalten.
2. Die verwendeten Materialien lassen sich nur schwer anders verarbeiten. Medizintechnische Materialien müssen autoklavierbar sein, sehr hochwertige und langlebige Oberflächen haben, die sehr gut zu reinigen sind und auch lange so bleiben. Während man den 0815 Baumarkthammer gesenkschmieden kann, wird diese Edelstahllegierung vermutlich so nicht zu verarbeiten sein. Außerdem könnte das Material von einem Zulieferer kommen und die medizinische Zertifizierung dieses Materials gilt nur für den Anlieferungszustand. Durch Gesenkschmieden verändert sich die kristalline Gefügestruktur und das Material besitzt andere Eigenschaften.
@@chewinsky das Ding ist aus hygienischen Gründen komplett aus Edelstahl (teuer!). Es darf keine Spalten oder Ecken haben, damit sich keine Microben in den Ecken niederlassen können. Die Oberfläche muss aus diesem Grund auch sehr glatt sein. Die Stückzahlen sind nicht hoch und das alles reicht dann aus.
@@mrl6105 Wow, das war ein sehr interessanter Einblick in den medizinischen Bereich. Sehr gut zu wissen, da unsere Firma wahrscheinlich in den Sektor einsteigen möchte
This is beyond satisfying
выглядит реально круто и красиво! жаль, что цены кусаются )
Такую куйню делать на таком станке это круто конечно и дорого.
Станки такого класса это высоко технологичное машиностроение.
Например производство газовых турбин.В частности лопаток.
@@АнтиИудаизм ты про какие турбины ведешь речь? на самолет там все подругомы делается! и допуска на много жестче!
@@SaloUhani Надо начать с основ и выучить класификацию деталей по способу обработки и форме.
Потом основы машиностроения зацепить хоть чуток.
Привыкли уже наЧПУ сгоны для сантехников точить без ЧПУ.
Все писец .Крокодил не ловится не растет кокос.
Was für ein Aufwand für einen Hammer. Warum muss so ein Werkzeug denn so präzise gefertigt werden? Das das Material gewisse Eigenschaften haben muss ist nachvollziehbar nur ist aus dem vollen Fräsen oder Drehen sicherlich kein günstiger Vorgang, speziell im Vergleich zum Gießen eines 0815 Baumarkthammers. Thx :-)
Я думаю его сделали для презентации, что такое молоток все знают, а какая то сложная деталь была бы многим не понятна
@@hibahprice6887 true
Ich könnte mir vorstellen, dass es aus der Sicht der Reinigung von Vorteil ist, wenn der Hammer aus einem Stück ist und keine Fugen zwischen Einzelbauteilen sind.
Außerdem müssen medizinische Instrumente aus Edelstahl sein, damit sie der Reinigung dauerhaft standhalten.
Das ist nur ein Beispiel um die Funktion zu zeigen :)
As a CNC machinist when I saw em hanging their stock out like that I got a little paranoid cuz I've seen that go wrong MANY TIMES. But damn that was clean
Can you elaborate, please? I didn't get it. Where in the video the thing can go wrong?
@@ssshhh_4238 Stock was sticking out of the collet or chuck about as far as possible until 30 second in when they put a center on the end to stabilize it. Metal bends, you get deflection and chatter. Looked alright though.
Turning with two turrets no problem👍🏼
@@TheAedalas ye like when you see videos like this you know these done this before and nothing bad is gonna happen but having worked on MUCH worse off machines than this I wouldn't dare try that shit the first time some engineer walked up to me and pitched the idea XD
@@jakepat8603 Lol yeah I'm kind of out of my element here, I've never worked on a machine half as nice. I wouldn't know what to do with one that isn't already clapped out and rusting.
I really don't want to know what they use that for
That is very impressive
Today I subscribed to an Industrial equipment RUclips Channel
Amazing
not so impressed by milling surface finishing shown a the end. Maybe due to lack of coolant.
But to be fair, it wouldn't look good for a promo video if all you saw was coolant
@@cv3174 There's so much wrong with that statement.
Mori has become a part of DMG Mori, it's one company.
They still make those mashines in Germany to very high specs.
I know because I've been there, like 2 moths ago.
You might be confusing that with their DMC line which is produced in Poland.
(Also surface finish is highly dependent on the tool, coolant, feeds and speeds. Not necessarily the mashine)
Just keeps adding to the ridiculous cost of healthcare. In my grandpappy’s day, they’d just borrow the blacksmith’s hammer and tongs, clean them in a barrel of whiskey and get on with it. You could get a lobotomy and leg amputation for under $10😂
And after the lobotomy it wouldn't even sound like that bad of a deal
It reminds of the intro for West World.
Cool machine!
What's the slot for?
ruclips.net/channel/UCaHc-0hG_b2Xc_R__pid2xQ
@@2511jeremy I feel there's better ways to reduce weight than to put a slot in that part of the hammer. Or they could have simply made the hammer smaller
Maybe they can crack ribs with it or something like that
It is a sliding hammer. The slot fits over the hip replacement prothesis to bang it into the bone.
@@Engineer9736 Crack ribs? WTF kind of medical treatment do you expect?
Beautiful finish .a lot going on with this run .and the part is not that critical.I would stick to a moreiseiki machine.
Really impressive. With machine tools it's like cars and all other high-tech products, buy Japanese and you buy reliability. I just hope that Dmg-Mori, as a Japanese company, also builds the machines in Japan.
Some are built in Germany, since Deckel Maho and Gildemeister are german.
@@MrZeal1k I was about to say : Deckel, Maho, Gildemeister and Mori Seiki ("DMG Mori")all have their respective manufacturing plants across the world :)
wish i had a machine like this at home :)
You can buy a mini 5 axis CNC machine. Or purchase a 3D printer, of which even the good ones are cheap and you can keep them on a tabletop unlike CNCs.
Your mom has one
Booom
@@xzaz2 Well, are you talking about the one with the batteries or something else? Wait.....
@@l0_0l45 OMEGALUL
1:50 is pretty nuts when you realize that anything surgical needs to have a really good surface finish quality, so they calculated a constant surface speed on that wild flip
Insane 🔥
in which cam system?
Den Hammer bekomme ich auf Traub TNX in 20 min fertig ;)
Challenge accepted
Классная машинка
can you make steel reproduction n64 joysticks
So smooth. Nice work.
ruclips.net/channel/UCaHc-0hG_b2Xc_R__pid2xQ
good machine
god this is so pleasent
Solo DMG morí puede fabricar estas impresionantes maquinas CNC saludos desde argentina*
Son una cagada total esas máquinas dmg - para hacer una cosa simple debes apretar cinco botones por lo menos. El control es una pesadilla comparado a fanuc o okuma
@@thelostgeneration2000 si es verdad yo manejo control fanuc lo dije por el diseño*
2 minutes? ?? ?? really?
can we see the whole operation ? ?
Cool😄
Cool music....whose playing?
Hello @georgecarenzo3890,
the sound was composed by us for the video.
Your DMG MORI Social Media Team
@@DMGMORI So, aside from the fact that DMG MORI makes awesome machines, you also have musicians and composers in your Social Media Team. Whoa! Well, please thank them for creating this awesome music. I sent this video to all my co-workers and family members -mostly for the music since no one can afford your amazing NTX 2500 machine... lol. I hope you don't mind, but I recorded it as part of my music collection. Speaking of which, may I share with you a track from E.S. Posthumus?
It could be used for inspiration for your next machine video. ruclips.net/video/YA7utoXsyfk/видео.html&ab_channel=SubZero90EpicMusic
Thank you for your feedback! 👏 We will share your music suggestions internally for inspiration.
Excellent in machining
Wow 😳
Aight how much do I owe ya
amazing....👌👍
instead of fi 50 you can use a router with more power so you can save time
I think I'm in love
Da wird Thor neidisch 😁
Please send me programming lathe cnc mori ctx beta 1250
Cool
I'd think you could sterilize a harbor freight hammer...
Very nice peice. Always wanted to work on a dmg mori.
Tidak ada lagi komentar wujud dari kepastian.🙏👍
Love this
piękna maszyna !
ruclips.net/channel/UCaHc-0hG_b2Xc_R__pid2xQ
Цена вопроса?
No wonder they cost so much!
i want one.
if it's good to be true it probably is
Great, now I want one. Not the hammer, the CNC lathe
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DMG，先进的工业技术👍
牛逼德企
Очень символично...
I tried to find one of these hammers to buy..... I found one only close to this and it was $815. My guess is that each of these hammers is $5,000 or more. Imagine having a machine that can print $5,000 dollar bills. $$$$$$
Still a good investment even if the machine fetches ~$750,000 new...
Hey! We were responsible for the process and design of the tools for the hammer.
If you would like to have more informations about our service and tool offers feel free to contact us on our website www.hb-microtec.de
A little bit of arithmetic involved.
Trig
@@JiveDadson if you listen carefully you can hear the machine quietly muttering "soh cah toa" over and over
Sen nasil bir makinasin👍👍
Hitchi Seiki Super HiCell3
👍
😳😲🤤🤗👏⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐Humans can't make these machines by themselves, I think help is from heaven.
Tanrı yardım ediyor 👏
This is WAY more precision than a HAMMER needs.
"But what if our handle had HOLES in it?!?!?!"
Just... why? Your tactical red-dot attachment?
So you can do a para cord handle
@@MrAdeuhtyr Survival surgery, I guess.
Why you are not using 60fps in late 2021? Why so extreme and pointless corner cutting?
no one can even tell the difference between 30 and 60 fps
@spambot71 Only blind people can't see difference between 30 and 60fps. It is night and day difference. 24 and 30fps feels horrible and very laggy and stuttery.
Are you sure that you even have enabled 60fps by watching at least 720p or higher? On lover resolutions YT does not support 60fps, therefor you will not see a difference.
@@spambot7110 I see you never played any game ever apparently. 30 Fps / 60 Fps there is a huge difference in feel/smoothness... lmao
@@spambot7110 there is a reason many sporting events are now streamed at 60fps
It's hard to get enough light into the machining room to shoot at higher frame rates. But at least the footage would be 8k ;-)
While watching I was like….where the is the coolant!?
No coolant for demonstration purposes, or else how will you see the parts?
So much runout on the stock!
Poetry!)
👍👍👍
1:32
Для чего продемонстрирована эта операция?
Yet another reason why surgeries are so much money.
out of pocket expense for most developed countries is $0 so... /shrug
i want that NTX 2500.
0:37 Oh, I know the use case for that!
Polygonal milling. Or anal beads. You choose.
That certainly doesn't look like a hammer to me
You're not alone in thinking that 🙃
OMG, the music sucks. Please let us hear the sounds of the machine.
хороший фалоиметатор забабахал! терь осталось на бабе провести испытания!
oh my lord this worked
I want this machine with all my heart
Just think someone programmed and designed all of this
You can do everything in CAM software like MasterCAM or NX.
Looks like the least practical hammer you could have possibly designed apart from not giving it a weighted end at all.
I'm sure you know all the ins and outs of surgical hammers. It's designed very carefully to maximize control instead of force.
@@hatemyusername13 By having the least ergonomic handle imaginable? Have you ever seen surgical hammers before?
Thanks for sharing!
Joke is : most of the functions shown here cost extra ;)
ebin