My husband worked a serial pedo case and the main girls who had to testify against the POS, wore these dresses from Target. I didn’t know. I ended up getting the same ones for our girls (very simple polka dot dresses with pockets. When my girls ran out with them on on Easter, that was the first time I saw the toll his job took on him. He threw them away and my oldest got hers out and slept in it. He was crying. There’s so much they see. I’m glad u mentioned it and as a wife of someone who sees a small portion of this evil, it does change them. They are different. I need to show him this. There are a lot of great organizations out there that help officers, support staff, and the like. One is COPS. THERE ARE FREE RETREATS. If u think ur loved one is going through this and u are worried, look into it. The suicide rate is high.
What a crazy story, I can't imagine how one copes with witnessing these crimes in order to solve them. And nowadays there are so many predators that are getting away with their crimes, Social media is infested with them. All this woke nonsense is making it so easy for men with bad intentions to get close to kids too. Any adult who tries to talk about sexual stuff to kids should be put in the registers. That's for the parents only and it's not rocket science either, they'll be perfectly fine figuring that stuff out themselves. It has worked out since the beginning of humanity. Thank god for people who sacrifice themselves and take on this burden to get these people off the street. I met a lot of people who were abused as a kid, it takes a lot out of a person and it is a wound that doesn't heal. There's no excuses for doing that to another person and certainly not to a child.
Incredible. Thank him for me. It's a terrible, but necessary service that he saved the rest of us from seeing. I'm so sorry he's gonna take it with him, so I admire his sacrifice. Hugs to you and your family from Colorado.
We had a case in NZ where a 13 year old girl had been abducted, kept alive for days and tortured and repeatedly sexually assaulted by a subhuman monster. He then bashed her over the head and buried her on a Wellington beach. But she was still alive.....A week later the sands had shifted after a storm and she was found. The police photographer who had to photograph her in situ, and later at the morgue, had a mental breakdown and had to leave the force. No amount of therapy could erase from his mind what had been done to that little girl. They caught the subhuman and he went to prison.......but the victims father said he would be waiting for him when he came out. That gorgeous wee girl was named Karla Cardno....her case outraged the entire country. She had just gone out on her bike to buy soft drink and snacks for a family movie evening.....
I was the victim of a pedophile sadist. I just wanted to say I'm so glad your husband was able to get the help needed after having to walk through that world. I only know it from a victims perspective but I can say I am so grateful for people like your husband without officers like him I may not be here today. ❤
Trauma from child hood has made me a person who STRUGGLES with developing emotional ties with others because of fear of being hurt as well as hurting others because of it. I cannot fathom the depths of CRAZY this man has experienced and the fact that he can function at all. GOD SPEED to you sir.
I can relate as well. Not many days go by where some negative memory or thought doesn't pass my mind. Trauma manifests in many ways which is not easy to identify much less understand or overcome. Wishing you the best.😢🤗
Speaking as a True Crime genre nerd with a lot of female True Crime genre nerd friends, the draw for us is twofold: usually women are the victims. So obsessing over True Crime maybe, maaaaybe makes sure we aren't a statistic. And secondly, it's the most complex mystery ever trying to understand the human psychology behind these types of behaviors. So if you're fascinated by psych, it's interesting from that angle too.
I like knowing what criminals are up to. I definitely want to learn from past crimes to avoid becoming a current victim. It’s also my conviction to support the victim by listening to their stories.
Agreed the psychology part to it has always fasincated me, especially when many have appeared like regular people that were well liked or shown no signs, as well as the other ones and straight evil ones. I love understanding or figuring out people and why they do what they do. I agree some woman don't want to be a statistic or a parent on the look out, but I've also found there are many of us in the true crime community that have been a victim of abuse or some trauma.
Women’s obsessions with true crime, according to research done on the subject, is due to a subconscious desire to learn something from it due to their gendered/disempowered identification with the victim.
Yep I've come to the same conclusion! I know only one guy who is mildly interested in true crime but women tend to be overwhelming consumers. When my guy friend asked me why, I was offended he'd make such an assumption but he was right.
Thanks for two reasons why I've noticed females being the majority of viewers of serial killer content. I just thought they were more sick and twisted than me 😇
I was the victim of a pedophile who was also a sadist for 3 years, I'm lucky he didn't kill me thank god. I know the damage it can do from the victims perspective, but I can't imagine being a detective and seeing what it can do to so many people on an almost daily basis for 30 years. I am still working through my 3 years of hell in therapy and it been 30 years since the first time it happened. I don't know that I will ever get over it.
I'm sorry 😞 that has happened to you , you probably will never be over it, but hopefully you have amazing people around you and have got a support system ! Also your absolutely right about about the detective seeing horrible situations especially cases like these, me personally I'd be in therapy continusly but I'm really thankful for cops/detectives like this guy he's a smart bulldog that doesn't quit !!
As a criminal justice student I did a semester internship with the state police crime scene services unit in my state. I did an autopsy of a recently released gang banger shot with a small caliber to the head. and also went to the scene of a drug overdose death. You know the grayish green color body dies near a steam radiator, needle still in the victims arm just a little smelly. Livamortis set in. Dead more than 24hours I think Luckily I wasn’t brought to a serious crime scene, I don’t think I could’ve handled it! I think back to that and laugh to myself good thing I didn’t do that for a living. Detective, CSI, Police Officers I don’t understand how you can do that for a living. I will say though that those officers are definitely seeking truth for the victims. Much respect
As a mother, you think that one of your children being a victim of one of these vile creatures, is the most heartbreaking thing that could happen…Learning that you are the mother of a vile creature is unthinkable!! 😔😢😔😢😔
When I was about 20 y.o, I once asked my mother ( _who passed away unexpectedly 6 months ago_ ), what would she do IF I committed a 'crime' ( _I remember having watched a documentary on Aileen Wuornos_ ); and I found her crimes inconceivable for one human being to have committed. Especially her being a _woman._ So, I posed the question to my mom, as to what would she have done IF I were like her? My mom looked at me so seriously, and without blinking said to me: "IF you were such a monster, I would either kill you myself in your sleep, or I would be the first person to hand you over to the Authorities, and I would simply make believe that I had a child and it died in some freak accident. You would be dead to me, and I would never ever come to visit you in prison until the day you died, or if they put you to death. You would no longer be considered 'human' in my eyes. Just a monster, and I would die feeling the guilt of your actions for the rest of my life, questioning myself as to where I went wrong with you. So, you would be condemning us both in such a case." Yea. My mother meant every word she said to me in that moment. It was just a 'question' --- I wanted to know WHAT the mothers of such people did or felt in knowing that their children were MONSTERS? My mom didnt hold back. RIP Mom, you were the best mother ever.
The worst scream the dude heard from his mom wasn't seeing her dead. It was realising as a woman what the demon had done physically to her cherished child and there was nothing she could do. The damage left of what was a beautiful human to the remains in front of her? Heart and mind breaking.
Excellent brake down of the reality of the thoughts ,emotions ,experience ,visual terrior and the memory's and dreams of the mother's in that scenario have rushing through there mind soul and spirit that would create a uncontrollably overwhelming out poor of all those things in bodied in a scream that can only be vocalized when all those things are present just a devastating and horrible thing to realize that there are people in this world that have and will continue to make a reality for undeserving loving people unfortunate people around the world great summation you really embodied that experience well in you're comment
@@GiantsXbox I guess "which" ever one pops up first in my spell check is the one that I would have to suspect will become the runner up as my most viable option even if it shouldn't have been hahaha!! "Witch" one do you use? lmfao!!!! 🤣🤣🤣
As a writer who minored in psychology, I can say that this topic fascinates me because it helps me understand the extremes of how people might think, and gives me several perspectives to consider. As a survivor of traumatic brain injury, I've gained some insight into my own struggles and learned a little about what others might experience. As a woman, it's fascinating because I've learned some signs to look for and have formed ideas of what I'd do if in such a situation. None of this means I enjoy it, only that I understand why true crime is a popular genre.
My Dad was a state Highway patrol officer for 20 years.I am over 55 years old now.He has been passed away since 1984,now I really know what he must have been dealing with.Better late than never knowing.thank you both.Thank you for your service.God Bless 😢
There's always been true crime. Yes that's a fact. Since internet came we can watch the old Hollywood movies, and I have done that often, and I notice that the old crime thriller drama plots were mostly from novels, meaning stories made up by authors. Now times are so morphed, we see the movies are more and more based on true events, real people and real police records. It's super nauseating, but how many creepy demons got their inspiration from Hollywood, can we imagine? And why does media now almost without fail, post the full up close personal photo of the horrid criminal, while the victim is given mention , but is not the main spotlight. If the thugs have been caught, for God's sake keep their ugly faces hidden. The old frontier days are over that had the WANTED alive or dead pictures of the bad guys splashed all over in public places. Thanks for this interview. I'll likely read Paul's book.
From what I've read most wives of serial killers never suspect them as killers but do suspect them of having affairs....which some of them did as well. Wife, mistresses, victims.....Ted Bundy cheated on his gf Liz all the time. Many women had consensual relationships with him all the while he was living with Liz and promising her marriage. I remember one wife of a serial killer did suspect him....he often had jewellery and purses and clothing which he gave away to family members. His wife went snooping in his shed where she had been forbidden to go and she found things......she called police who came and collected the items which could be traced to various victims.....he went on the run but was caught. Another wife suspected her husband was a serial rapist and she wrote a book about it, how and why her suspicions were building up until one night she followed him from a distance right to a victims house. She parked down the road hidden by trees and watching him breaking into the house and she called police...she heard the victim screaming as she tried to fight him off but police arrived and caught him in the act. He was dumbfounded when he was arrested in front of his wife.......needless to say he didn't get bail and his wife got all kinds of threats. He got life in prison and his wife moved far away.
At 7:30 I totally can relate. My spouse & I have asked a similar thing amongst ourselves, would you rather have a deceased child or a missing child never found...
I had a serial killer living at my home for a few months. I thought I was helping an Air Force veteran until I was informed he never served combat. The creepy part was he used trauma based control on me. I used to smirk a few years back on MK Ultra mind control videos. But it happened to me.
YOU SURVIVED! I am so relieved to know you escaped his influence. There are a lot of people out there claiming "stolen valor". Sometimes the criminally-minded look things up and gather just enough information to be convincing. The dangerous ones often are control freaks and manipulators from early in life.
Thank you for this show. Thank you for helping to find the man who killed Carla. I have thought about her several times over the years and I wondered if he would ever be caught. When I found out that he had been, it hit me hard and I began crying. Our families both attended Church of Christ in Western Hills, but I didn’t know her except from seeing her there (I think I noticed her because she was so pretty and smiled a lot, because I didn’t pay attention much to adults when I was 9 and to 9 year old me she was an adult). I hope a lot of killers who have not been caught are terrified right now.
Nothing better than falling asleep to the detailed accounts of a serial killer. Just grateful to still be so blissfully ignorant to the levels of dark depravity some humans exist in.
My oldest brother who had been around the world many times as a sailor and ship's captain told me as a cautionary tale that any horror I could imagine was without a doubt being done to someone, somewhere at that very moment. His message being "there are monsters among us"
Paul Holes is an exceedingly interesting man. His skills are legendary and I will be immediately ordering his book "Unmasked". We can all be grateful for people like him and others like John Douglas, Robert Ressler, Candice DeLong, Roy Hazelwood and Gregg McCrary to name a few, for doing the brutal work that needs to be done to help protect us all. I cannot begin to imagine the horrific crimes they've been subjected to in order to bring these monsters to justice.
Its true that you can't always tell a serial killer just by looking at them. I knew Israel Keyes and to me he just seemed kinda like a dud. I never would have hung out with him but I certainly wouldn't have guessed he was potentially one of the most prolific and detailed serial killers in the US.
Looked like Keyes belonged to a cult and was trained and used to kill people for a particular reason. He would have been programmed to kill himself when caught. Apparently, Keyes would have been trained or groomed from an early age. I can't help but think that something similar was going on with Gabby Petito and Brian Laundrie. Drugs, military connections, and satanic cults seem to appear in many cases. They like to blend in with the community and appear normal.
And I also wanted to add to the eyes being black..he was bipolar 1 and 2 and he would go into these psychotic rages..or called psychosis. After seeing that I never ever could look at him the same again. Worst thing ever.
I have to tell you, you are a great interviewer that asks in debth questions that even amaze the person you are interviewing and catch them off guard an thus get a real genuine interview. Good work!
When I was a kid of 11 or 12 years old I was at a friend's house. And while there his dad told us to dig up a area under the backyard clothes line because he was going to concrete it so my friends mom didn't have to stand in mud hanging clothes out to dry. It wasn't long before it was discovered we had dug the shallow grave of a woman he had abducted after killing her boyfriend. He was a truck driver and had abducted the woman and repeatedly raped her before murdering her. It's more than just a possibility that he is responsible for the abduction, rapes and murders of at least 26 girls and women who disappeared along his truck route in the few years before his arrest. His name in Ward Weaver Jr. Hes on death row in California. His oldest son is the rapist and murderer of the 2 girls in Oregon City,Or. The girls were likely just Ward Weaver the 3rds last 2 victims. He lived up in the area of far north coast of California prior to moving to Oregon. And there were many missing women and girls from the time he lived there. My friend is nothing like his father and older brother. They are monsters and my friend is a good man
@@JordanHarbingerShow yes it is. You can read all about it online. Ward Weaver Jr and Ward Weaver III are the names. I've always felt guilty having helped dig her grave even though I was just a innocent kid. Her name was Barbara Ann Levoy and it was 1981 when she was murdered
I was a little girl, living on the Presidio when a lot of that stuff was going on. I was too young to be aware of any of it. I find it so incredible how innocent we were. Going about our little kid lives while our parents where , most likely, expressed their horror during their morning coffee clatch. Now days, kids of that age could very well be fully aware when things like this are going on.
Thank you so much for this podcast. I have wondered why there isn't more emphasis placed on the victim's network of family and friends. Most of use, of course, cannot imagine the catastrophe that will flow through those connections forever. I personally think the offender deserves the death penalty, and within a short time, not after years and years or possibly forever. Why is BTK alive today? Why was his daughter able to write a book about her great relationship with her father? These people are evil. Full stop.
i agree with your general sentiment (i'm not in favor of the death penalty. but there do seem to be cases that deserve an exception), but the daughter should not be held liable for the sins of her father. a person can be "evil", but yet still treat those that they care about with love. i'm sure the daughters memories of her father, are of a loving and caring dad. just my thoughts on it.
@@JordanHarbingerShow You need to know that “these monsters”as you call them have mothers and fathers and they were once innocent children which grew up to become killers. The luck of information and the problems of the society which they grew up in had formed them to become who they are and the gaps in the education and the law (or the luck of religious belief) also played a big role. If you don’t see the hand of 👑God in this case, it would be very hard to speak to you because even this guy who rescued life’s don’t believe that 👑Jesus Christ is our savior although the evil and the demonic is so evident that you would logically believe in the good and that the only salvation can come from a Devine power! Something else people don’t see is how the people in most cases died was not a coincidence and the evil possessing the perpetrator lead him precisely where he was supposed to go and do what he was supposed to do! To the normal person this might seem random, but there is nothing random in this world and even before something is about to happen, 👑Heavenly Father knows about it so one thing for sure is that evil is not allowed to do certain things and only when people allow the devil in their lives then only he can torment them and kill them!
love You need to know that “these monsters”as you call them have mothers and fathers and they were once innocent children which grew up to become killers. The luck of information and the problems of the society which they grew up in had formed them to become who they are and the gaps in the education and the law (or the luck of religious belief) also played a big role. If you don’t see the hand of 👑God in this case, it would be very hard to speak to you because even this guy who rescued life’s don’t believe that 👑Jesus Christ is our savior although the evil and the demonic is so evident that you would logically believe in the good and that the only salvation can come from a Devine power! Something else people don’t see is how the people in most cases died was not a coincidence and the evil possessing the perpetrator lead him precisely where he was supposed to go and do what he was supposed to do! To the normal person this might seem random, but there is nothing random in this world and even before something is about to happen, 👑Heavenly Father knows about it so one thing for sure is that evil is not allowed to do certain things and only when people allow the devil in their lives then only he can torment them and kill them!
I'm sure she is. Her presence in her documentaries show she is an amazing person. I hope her life is turned out to be wonderful as well as he children and h3r mother
Apparently these psychopathic monsters were just the type of people the army were looking for in previous wars to join special ops teams that went into enemy camps at night and killed soldiers whilst they slept. They knew they would have no problem doing this sort of work because they had no empathy or sympathy for other human beings and in fact enjoyed killing. They psychologically profiled men with these tendencies and recruited them for these types of missions.
It's scary that some of these killers are married with kids. BTK gave up his murderous activities when he had children and was required to be a good father hands on and helping around the house. As his kids grew older he began killing again.
I can't even understand how people want to marry them. They never come off as normal/healthy. They aren't always obvious creeps, of course, but there's always some "ick" factor, people seem to love it. So many kind people are single and deserve the families they wish for while these monsters don't deserve anything.
23 & me as well as AncestryDNA does not share your dna with the cops. I did both and because my husbands father was adopted at birth. We both downloaded our raw data onto GED to help law enforcement if someone is In our family and happens to be one of these monsters. We both agreed that it was the right thing to do. In the process, I found out I grew up not knowing I had a different biological dad, and my bio dad had no idea that I was his child until I found him through his brother that had just so happened to do 23 & me the same year me and my husband did ours. It really messed my head up, really bad😰 both my parents that raised me knew, they were the only ones that knew and they thought it was right to not say a word they both would have taken it to their grave. I think they were just as devastated as I was when I found out. I think a lot of women that had kids back in the 70’s, 80’s and even killers that never thought that technology would get to the point it’s at. I’d guarantee the ones that haven’t been caught are worried af if they left any dna behind. I feel so sorry for anyone that goes through these horrific crimes. What a interesting episode.
Strange that you'd both think to upload your raw data to see if anyone in your family was to be part of a crime leaving their DNA. It bears the question, did you suspect someone in your family of a crime?
@@kellykirkpatrick4416 It works both ways, up the generations or down the generations...ex. their DNA could catch a future family member aka grand/great grandchildren.
.. i worked with child vic's and witness', for 13 yrs. in the District Court. women .... the mothers, the girlfriends, the wives ... were often actively involved. most ppl are shocked when they learn how willing or compliant women can be. they always have an excuse. ... but in my opinion.. there is No Excuse.
That's the awful thing about these serial killers, they are extremely rare in numbers, but the waves of destruction they cause is huge. Thank God, there are heros like Paul who make it their lives work to hunt these predators down, and give back a little something to all the victims these evil people have wronged! I think the whole "true crime" popularity is based on the good guy vs. bad guy scenario, which has always been popular within society. In a world of grey, nothing is more black and white then the true crime genre. We are horrified and fascinated by how evil people are and we cheer and are comforted by the good guys who destroy them.
I cannot fathom how these monsters could be devoid of any guilt or could not empathise with the victims families for their loss. How could they take a life and not feel anything and then lead a normal life with a wife and children of their own? They must surely realise that they are the lowest of the low and that murdering is the worst crime of all. They must know they are mentally sick.
If they are a psychopath they don’t get it. The frontal lobe of the brain isn’t developed properly to understand empathy so killing would be like spilling ice cream. You clean it up and move on w/your day and don’t think of it again unless they want to, you’re not upset about it, it doesn’t bother you. I feel like so many forget that they lack the same empathy we do. They are indeed subhuman. The only thing they care about is self preservation; they do know it’s wrong societally but being able to do the actual acts are not something they see as wrong / hard or harmful.
@@Grayyy__ But it is not just that they can commit these horrific acts and not feel anything, they do it because it gives them pleasure, so they are not just thinking of self preservation. They are actively premeditatiing these murders because they enjoy doing it.
Great interview, this is the reason I decided not to go into criminolgy due to the impact on you mental health . Thank GOD there are people like him and others to preservere and get a few bog ones convicted awesome work. haaa I was eating when you said that, hit pause lol, you were right glad I waited lol, How can these serial killers have a family and kids and then go out and do bad things and put on a false facade, what a terrible betrayal, its the same as killing your family too once they really found out what they were doing. Intersting to know the Bay area had the most of them
1:16:18 here's some comic relief for a very dark podcast... I seriously thought this was heading into an ad segment, "One of the only things that makes me feel a slight sense of relief... is that my browsing history won't be tracked because I'm using Nord VPN™" 🤣
Very interesting & informative yet terrifying throughout. You can see how this type of work could burn you out; what is sad is that these investigators can understand the criminals mind & actions to ultimately solve cases. Yet at the same time not understand what these horrors are psychologically doing to them.
What a great interview. I’m familiar with the cases and it’s interesting to hear more behind the scenes. His attitude towards criminals and victims is the standard to meet. Or beat. I posted to my Twitter account. Thank you!
I read some of that girl who was a slave for 18 years diary. And she wrote in it at 9. It broke my heart. She went through everything you imagine your child probably feeling and going. It broke me!
Paul Holes has become one of my heroes in recent years, and as a 40+ year-old woman there aren't many left because most men are more interested in controlling a fake narrative than walking the actual walk. The difference he has made for the GSK victims and their families alone deserves a medal. I am grateful for him as a human being and a role model. I still remember slapping my head when the police chief the EAR/GSK worked for fired him for stealing a dog-repellent and a hammer (perfect for rapists that break and enter) and threatened to kill him - and he didn't even become a suspect.
I've heard the cia creates assassins and I'm wondering if they created serial killers as well. They take children and abuse them horribly to such a degree that they create split personalities in them which are compartmentalized separate personalities from their original, then they implant in them certain triggers words that can be remotely sent to the brain of the victim of mk Ultra mind control. You can research everything I've said. I don't know of anyone who is making the connection to the serial killer being under mind control operations. How many times have you seen someone be interviewed after being caught and the investigators ask them to explain why they did the murders and the answer is always "I don't know" Think about it Remember this. They have used fear to control the public and what a perfectly diabolical way to control the people by ùnleashing psychopathic killers onto he public. Diabolical indeed.
Rather than listening to all the lurid details of the crimes committed, I was hoping to hear what makes this horrible behavior begin in a murderer . . . is there something that can be done in early childhood education for little boys to protect them from the mental twisting that must have occurred in their early lives? Also, do victims ever fight back, significantly wound and stop the attack or ever kill the attacker? BTW: a universal DNA database is OK by me. I'm not a murderer or a law breaker so I don't care if law enforcement has mine. Many thanks to Investigator Paul Holes for his heroism and its healing effect upon us, clearing up part of this dismal aspect of our world.
I've watched enough true crime documentaries to know that if my son was wetting the bed, torturing animals, abusing siblings, isolating himself, consuming p0rn, setting fires, and/or having fascination with odd hobbies, I'd get him in therapy, committed to an institution or in jail ASAP. There are clear, documented signs however many seem to be able to hide in plain sight. None of that worked for Ed Kemper and others. True Demons!
There's always been true crime. Yes that's a fact. Since internet came we can watch the old Hollywood movies, and I have done that often, and I notice that the old crime thriller drama plots were mostly from novels, meaning stories made up by authors. Now times are so morphed, we see the movies are more and more based on true events, real people and real police records. It's super nauseating, but how many creepy demons got their inspiration from Hollywood, can we imagine? And why does media now almost without fail, post the full up close personal photo of the horrid criminal, while the victim is given mention , but is not the main spotlight. If the thugs have been caught, for God's sake keep their ugly faces hidden. The old frontier days are over that had the WANTED alive or dead pictures of the bad guys splashed all over in public places. Thanks for this interview. I'll likely read Paul's book.
I NEVER Forgot about the little 5 year old Samantha Runyan,who was stolen from her grandmas yard,by an illegal male immigrant.He raped her,killed her and didn't just throw her out.He placed her precious little body and defiled it and placed it .She was same age as my neice.I often cry over this precious baby.
Paul your book was great! You are a champion for the victims, thanks for your personal sacrifices in trying to catch these predators. Congrats on finding the GSK.
They found him at Hobby Lobby?!!? Mannnn no where is safe anymore 😭 Can you imagine you're walking to the scarp booking aisle and you pass by the Golden State Killer. 😅
Makes me think of Dr Dobsons interview with Ted Bundy prior to his execution warning that there are others. Just watched "Nefarious". An interesting Parallel 🤔
Jerry Mitchell is a cold case hero (journalist) that cracked some pretty old cases. His book is "RACE AGAINST TIME". I'd love to hear an interview with you Jordan.
Back in the 70s I had a stalker for a year that knew every move I made. I was working nights and as soon as I walked in the door to my home. The phone was ringing and that man knew everything I did that day and everything that I wore down to the t. I always thought it was somebody I knew or a neighbor and then one day. I get a phone call that he was moving out of state and getting married. He was sad because he couldn't call me anymore. I never gave it much thought until now that he could have been a serial killer. But I did find out it wasn't a neighbor because none of my neighbors moved out of state. After all these years I still have no clue who could have been.
Judges, politicians should replace those murdered with images of their own!!! As horrible as that statement is. They must protect the children especially now when thousands of children at border have gone unaccounted for!
... yes.. humans can be quite resilient . i have known a lot of Survivors. I am a Survivor myself the struggle to survive is very real, but we never give up. and we fight till the end. [a happy life is still obtainable]
Edward Tice. Yes. I heard that too. And on the other side of the coin, there are stories where populations with high lithium intake have significantly less crime.
@@DavidBrown-bp4iq also, i heard that when the mob ran Vegas, of course their business included murders, extortions, prostitution & other vice, but they supposedly wouldn't tolerate random criminals who preyed on regular citizens, the working class & tourists, those predators would he warned, beaten up to spread the word or planted in the desert.
David Brown relatively speaking, literally, I have a relative that finally got put on lithium. Our lives were and still are permeated with the behaviour displayed by #45. There is a hunger for things violent and dark. The speech is peppered with threats and violence desired. The only person that counts is them. Narc. Don't you dare answer back, have a differing opinion, attempt to correct an incorrect piece of information twisted to suit their path. Retaliation if any percieved slight is felt or seen will be fast, viscious and personal. No remorse, no apology, no empathy. Just a cold laugh with a side of derision. Expect permanent verbal digs to open wounds of the heart and mind, just when you thought you were over it. Evil is real. Demons are too. You can be possessed and controlled. Never mind the mind control done on all of us in school and via tv and phones and pcs and laptops. Governments and their military's abuse all of us on the daily. Lithium levelled the racing highs and lows. But the mind can beat it if it so chooses. Some are born with a blip on the radar, others are traumatized by religious orders in school, in church. Military training programs break many young guys. Cults abound. Two sides. You choose God or the devil himself will surely destroy you to show God..see what I did to you and one of yours. Pride booted me from heaven. Payback. You pray for them without ceasing. Fasting works even better alongside prayers. Growing up the paint on the walls, doors, windows and furniture was lead based. A family friend painted houses inside and out back in the 1960s. Affected him very badly. Severe debilitating depression. I intuitively said that was the cause when I was a kid visiting their house. Got shot down verbally. After his early death in his early 40s his autopsy confirmed it. His heart quit on him. His brain was destroyed. Only part of the problem.
@@sheilasullivan1950 Don't I "dare answer?" Oh no, I DO "dare answer." I was talking about naturally occurring levels of lithium in the public water supply. Not dangerous overdoses of medical lithium carbonate. I was talking about large populations, not some relative of yours.
We are all pieces of a puzzle working together without having the box at the start..some will try and start in the corners , others match by looking at the colors, and there are a few great ones who know the picture not the pieces. You watch them over and over wondering how they do it?? We as puzzle enthusiasts all love the process, however you will forever remember to stay humble
Oah my... you just asked a tinglie question....they had to use jetmatch and public information because it was not only illegal but unlawful to get that information from private databases......I'm so glad to see he didn't expound on that point because Snowden says that that very legal but unlawful thing is actually being done.
Why would you ask if he ever pictured his own kid? Who would want to do that? It's more interesting to talk about the actual serial killers than it is to talk about the guys' feelings about all this.
I would really be interested in his thoughts on the killing fields murders !!! I've been researching these cases for 4+ years and there's at least 30+ females that I've researched 😞😞😞😭🙏🙏🙏
I am almost done my masters in Forensic Psychology. I want to work with LEOs, vets, FF/EMTs, and others who experience occupational trauma. The world is becoming increasingly more violent.
@@mauricemorning yeah, that one wasn't making sense, & i doubt insanity was ever listed as cause of death, tho it probably has been the cause of countless deaths, as has ignorance, bravado, people overestimating their fighting skills/ underestimating their opponent, also not listed as official causes of death.
How can people be so cruel as to threaten the CHILDREN of these offenders, who not only are having to face the horror that the person who is supposed to be their "protector"..their Dad, is actually a serial killer, but the heartbreak of not realizing what an açtual total stranger to them has been. And then, top all that off with having their very lives threatened over what their Parent has done. I understand extreme anger, however don't blame the "innocent," parties for something they have had NO CONTROL over.
19:15 Russia had a cop serial killer just like this. He would pick up night walkers offering to take them home because it’s dangerous, and if they were at all drunk he would attack and kill them. If you want to hear more about some nuts like this, Casual Criminalist is one that tries to avoid the gore and you can see the actual disgust and frustration on the presenters face when he reads the things he does not say. A few people have actually reached out to him and his writers about their own family members who were killed by less well known serial killers asking to share what happened to their loved ones.
My husband worked a serial pedo case and the main girls who had to testify against the POS, wore these dresses from Target. I didn’t know. I ended up getting the same ones for our girls (very simple polka dot dresses with pockets. When my girls ran out with them on on Easter, that was the first time I saw the toll his job took on him. He threw them away and my oldest got hers out and slept in it. He was crying. There’s so much they see. I’m glad u mentioned it and as a wife of someone who sees a small portion of this evil, it does change them. They are different. I need to show him this. There are a lot of great organizations out there that help officers, support staff, and the like. One is COPS. THERE ARE FREE RETREATS. If u think ur loved one is going through this and u are worried, look into it. The suicide rate is high.
What a crazy story, I can't imagine how one copes with witnessing these crimes in order to solve them.
And nowadays there are so many predators that are getting away with their crimes, Social media is infested with them. All this woke nonsense is making it so easy for men with bad intentions to get close to kids too.
Any adult who tries to talk about sexual stuff to kids should be put in the registers. That's for the parents only and it's not rocket science either, they'll be perfectly fine figuring that stuff out themselves. It has worked out since the beginning of humanity.
Thank god for people who sacrifice themselves and take on this burden to get these people off the street.
I met a lot of people who were abused as a kid, it takes a lot out of a person and it is a wound that doesn't heal. There's no excuses for doing that to another person and certainly not to a child.
Incredible. Thank him for me. It's a terrible, but necessary service that he saved the rest of us from seeing. I'm so sorry he's gonna take it with him, so I admire his sacrifice. Hugs to you and your family from Colorado.
We had a case in NZ where a 13 year old girl had been abducted, kept alive for days and tortured and repeatedly sexually assaulted by a subhuman monster. He then bashed her over the head and buried her on a Wellington beach. But she was still alive.....A week later the sands had shifted after a storm and she was found. The police photographer who had to photograph her in situ, and later at the morgue, had a mental breakdown and had to leave the force. No amount of therapy could erase from his mind what had been done to that little girl. They caught the subhuman and he went to prison.......but the victims father said he would be waiting for him when he came out. That gorgeous wee girl was named Karla Cardno....her case outraged the entire country. She had just gone out on her bike to buy soft drink and snacks for a family movie evening.....
@@juanitarichards1074 I just read that he'll be in prison until at least December '23. Good gawd what a horrific case.
I was the victim of a pedophile sadist. I just wanted to say I'm so glad your husband was able to get the help needed after having to walk through that world. I only know it from a victims perspective but I can say I am so grateful for people like your husband without officers like him I may not be here today. ❤
Trauma from child hood has made me a person who STRUGGLES with developing emotional ties with others because of fear of being hurt as well as hurting others because of it. I cannot fathom the depths of CRAZY this man has experienced and the fact that he can function at all. GOD SPEED to you sir.
... i can relate to your comment,
sending all best vibes your way, from Australia .. x
Okay Becky, you and every other female on the internet 🙄
I can relate as well. Not many days go by where some negative memory or thought doesn't pass my mind. Trauma manifests in many ways which is not easy to identify much less understand or overcome. Wishing you the best.😢🤗
All I see is “struggles” “crazy” and “god speed”
@@mphase7575why? Has a lot to say about you….. that’s all I’m gonna say darling.
Speaking as a True Crime genre nerd with a lot of female True Crime genre nerd friends, the draw for us is twofold: usually women are the victims. So obsessing over True Crime maybe, maaaaybe makes sure we aren't a statistic. And secondly, it's the most complex mystery ever trying to understand the human psychology behind these types of behaviors. So if you're fascinated by psych, it's interesting from that angle too.
I like knowing what criminals are up to. I definitely want to learn from past crimes to avoid becoming a current victim. It’s also my conviction to support the victim by listening to their stories.
Agreed the psychology part to it has always fasincated me, especially when many have appeared like regular people that were well liked or shown no signs, as well as the other ones and straight evil ones.
I love understanding or figuring out people and why they do what they do.
I agree some woman don't want to be a statistic or a parent on the look out, but I've also found there are many of us in the true crime community that have been a victim of abuse or some trauma.
Women’s obsessions with true crime, according to research done on the subject, is due to a subconscious desire to learn something from it due to their gendered/disempowered identification with the victim.
Yep I've come to the same conclusion! I know only one guy who is mildly interested in true crime but women tend to be overwhelming consumers. When my guy friend asked me why, I was offended he'd make such an assumption but he was right.
Thanks for two reasons why I've noticed females being the majority of viewers of serial killer content.
I just thought they were more sick and twisted than me 😇
I was the victim of a pedophile who was also a sadist for 3 years, I'm lucky he didn't kill me thank god. I know the damage it can do from the victims perspective, but I can't imagine being a detective and seeing what it can do to so many people on an almost daily basis for 30 years. I am still working through my 3 years of hell in therapy and it been 30 years since the first time it happened. I don't know that I will ever get over it.
I'm sorry 😞 that has happened to you , you probably will never be over it, but hopefully you have amazing people around you and have got a support system ! Also your absolutely right about about the detective seeing horrible situations especially cases like these, me personally I'd be in therapy continusly but I'm really thankful for cops/detectives like this guy he's a smart bulldog that doesn't quit !!
Bless you Dear Soul... Much Love 😍
As a criminal justice student I did a semester internship with the state police crime scene services unit in my state. I did an autopsy of a recently released gang banger shot with a small caliber to the head. and also went to the scene of a drug overdose death. You know the grayish green color body dies near a steam radiator, needle still in the victims arm just a little smelly. Livamortis set in. Dead more than 24hours I think Luckily I wasn’t brought to a serious crime scene, I don’t think I could’ve handled it! I think back to that and laugh to myself good thing I didn’t do that for a living. Detective, CSI, Police Officers I don’t understand how you can do that for a living. I will say though that those officers are definitely seeking truth for the victims. Much respect
Do you mean "rigor mortis"?😂
@virginiawilkinson5038 nah, they meant Liver'o'Tortoise. Delicious.
Paul Holes comes off as a compassionate guy for a crime investigator, victim's families were fortunate to have him working on their cases.
Yup .. truely dedicated to his work ...comes across as a really decent chap
As a mother, you think that one of your children being a victim of one of these vile creatures, is the most heartbreaking thing that could happen…Learning that you are the mother of a vile creature is unthinkable!! 😔😢😔😢😔
True too. Or the wife sister brother child. 😢
When I was about 20 y.o, I once asked my mother ( _who passed away unexpectedly 6 months ago_ ), what would she do IF I committed a 'crime' ( _I remember having watched a documentary on Aileen Wuornos_ ); and I found her crimes inconceivable for one human being to have committed. Especially her being a _woman._
So, I posed the question to my mom, as to what would she have done IF I were like her? My mom looked at me so seriously, and without blinking said to me: "IF you were such a monster, I would either kill you myself in your sleep, or I would be the first person to hand you over to the Authorities, and I would simply make believe that I had a child and it died in some freak accident. You would be dead to me, and I would never ever come to visit you in prison until the day you died, or if they put you to death. You would no longer be considered 'human' in my eyes. Just a monster, and I would die feeling the guilt of your actions for the rest of my life, questioning myself as to where I went wrong with you. So, you would be condemning us both in such a case."
Yea. My mother meant every word she said to me in that moment.
It was just a 'question' --- I wanted to know WHAT the mothers of such people did or felt in knowing that their children were MONSTERS? My mom didnt hold back.
RIP Mom, you were the best mother ever.
As a Son, I can only imagine how my own Mother would feel & react in the case of such a betrayal.
The worst scream the dude heard from his mom wasn't seeing her dead. It was realising as a woman what the demon had done physically to her cherished child and there was nothing she could do. The damage left of what was a beautiful human to the remains in front of her? Heart and mind breaking.
Agree completely
Excellent brake down of the reality of the thoughts ,emotions ,experience ,visual terrior and the memory's and dreams of the mother's in that scenario have rushing through there mind soul and spirit that would create a uncontrollably overwhelming out poor of all those things in bodied in a scream that can only be vocalized when all those things are present just a devastating and horrible thing to realize that there are people in this world that have and will continue to make a reality for undeserving loving people unfortunate people around the world great summation you really embodied that experience well in you're comment
Only the face is uncovered for identification.
The injuries to the body would be covered-there’s no point or reason for parents to see more
@@johncalia8598 do you hit the brakes, or hit the breaks? haha
@@GiantsXbox I guess "which" ever one pops up first in my spell check is the one that I would have to suspect will become the runner up as my most viable option even if it shouldn't have been hahaha!! "Witch" one do you use? lmfao!!!! 🤣🤣🤣
As a writer who minored in psychology, I can say that this topic fascinates me because it helps me understand the extremes of how people might think, and gives me several perspectives to consider. As a survivor of traumatic brain injury, I've gained some insight into my own struggles and learned a little about what others might experience. As a woman, it's fascinating because I've learned some signs to look for and have formed ideas of what I'd do if in such a situation. None of this means I enjoy it, only that I understand why true crime is a popular genre.
Lol
My Dad was a state Highway patrol officer for 20 years.I am over 55 years old now.He has been passed away since 1984,now I really know what he must have been dealing with.Better late than never knowing.thank you both.Thank you for your service.God Bless 😢
The reason True Crime is so popular as ‘entertainment’ is that unlike fictional crime stories, there are never any plot holes.
There's always been true crime. Yes that's a fact. Since internet came we can watch the old Hollywood movies, and I have done that often, and I notice that the old crime thriller drama plots were mostly from novels, meaning stories made up by authors. Now times are so morphed, we see the movies are more and more based on true events, real people and real police records. It's super nauseating, but how many creepy demons got their inspiration from Hollywood, can we imagine? And why does media now almost without fail, post the full up close personal photo of the horrid criminal, while the victim is given mention , but is not the main spotlight. If the thugs have been caught, for God's sake keep their ugly faces hidden. The old frontier days are over that had the WANTED alive or dead pictures of the bad guys splashed all over in public places. Thanks for this interview. I'll likely read Paul's book.
From what I've read most wives of serial killers never suspect them as killers but do suspect them of having affairs....which some of them did as well. Wife, mistresses, victims.....Ted Bundy cheated on his gf Liz all the time. Many women had consensual relationships with him all the while he was living with Liz and promising her marriage. I remember one wife of a serial killer did suspect him....he often had jewellery and purses and clothing which he gave away to family members. His wife went snooping in his shed where she had been forbidden to go and she found things......she called police who came and collected the items which could be traced to various victims.....he went on the run but was caught. Another wife suspected her husband was a serial rapist and she wrote a book about it, how and why her suspicions were building up until one night she followed him from a distance right to a victims house. She parked down the road hidden by trees and watching him breaking into the house and she called police...she heard the victim screaming as she tried to fight him off but police arrived and caught him in the act. He was dumbfounded when he was arrested in front of his wife.......needless to say he didn't get bail and his wife got all kinds of threats. He got life in prison and his wife moved far away.
At 7:30 I totally can relate. My spouse & I have asked a similar thing amongst ourselves, would you rather have a deceased child or a missing child never found...
Neither
"No knowing is always worse than knowing the worst."
I had a serial killer living at my home for a few months. I thought I was helping an Air Force veteran until I was informed he never served combat. The creepy part was he used trauma based control on me. I used to smirk a few years back on MK Ultra mind control videos. But it happened to me.
YOU SURVIVED! I am so relieved to know you escaped his influence. There are a lot of people out there claiming "stolen valor". Sometimes the criminally-minded look things up and gather just enough information to be convincing. The dangerous ones often are control freaks and manipulators from early in life.
@@anng.4542 Those demons are CPNs= Covert Pathological Narcissists‼️
He gave you LSD? NICE!
Thank you for this show. Thank you for helping to find the man who killed Carla. I have thought about her several times over the years and I wondered if he would ever be caught. When I found out that he had been, it hit me hard and I began crying. Our families both attended Church of Christ in Western Hills, but I didn’t know her except from seeing her there (I think I noticed her because she was so pretty and smiled a lot, because I didn’t pay attention much to adults when I was 9 and to 9 year old me she was an adult).
I hope a lot of killers who have not been caught are terrified right now.
Nothing better than falling asleep to the detailed accounts of a serial killer.
Just grateful to still be so blissfully ignorant to the levels of dark depravity some humans exist in.
Omg same 😂
indeed.
What we are capable of..................
My oldest brother who had been around the world many times as a sailor and ship's captain told me as a cautionary tale that any horror I could imagine was without a doubt being done to someone, somewhere at that very moment. His message being "there are monsters among us"
Paul Holes is an exceedingly interesting man. His skills are legendary and I will be immediately ordering his book "Unmasked". We can all be grateful for people like him and others like John Douglas, Robert Ressler, Candice DeLong, Roy Hazelwood and Gregg McCrary to name a few, for doing the brutal work that needs to be done to help protect us all. I cannot begin to imagine the horrific crimes they've been subjected to in order to bring these monsters to justice.
Its true that you can't always tell a serial killer just by looking at them. I knew Israel Keyes and to me he just seemed kinda like a dud. I never would have hung out with him but I certainly wouldn't have guessed he was potentially one of the most prolific and detailed serial killers in the US.
Do you ever sit and think about that and panic a little knowing you had someone like that around you and you never knew they were so evil?
@J Man
Now thinkin back is there something that seemed strange or eerie bout him? How well did u know him?
Looked like Keyes belonged to a cult and was trained and used to kill people for a particular reason. He would have been programmed to kill himself when caught. Apparently, Keyes would have been trained or groomed from an early age. I can't help but think that something similar was going on with Gabby Petito and Brian Laundrie. Drugs, military connections, and satanic cults seem to appear in many cases. They like to blend in with the community and appear normal.
I think one can never identify a (serial) killer by their looks.
That would be nice.
And I also wanted to add to the eyes being black..he was bipolar 1 and 2 and he would go into these psychotic rages..or called psychosis. After seeing that I never ever could look at him the same again. Worst thing ever.
I have to tell you, you are a great interviewer that asks in debth questions that even amaze the person you are interviewing and catch them off guard an thus get a real genuine interview. Good work!
When I was a kid of 11 or 12 years old I was at a friend's house. And while there his dad told us to dig up a area under the backyard clothes line because he was going to concrete it so my friends mom didn't have to stand in mud hanging clothes out to dry. It wasn't long before it was discovered we had dug the shallow grave of a woman he had abducted after killing her boyfriend. He was a truck driver and had abducted the woman and repeatedly raped her before murdering her. It's more than just a possibility that he is responsible for the abduction, rapes and murders of at least 26 girls and women who disappeared along his truck route in the few years before his arrest. His name in Ward Weaver Jr. Hes on death row in California. His oldest son is the rapist and murderer of the 2 girls in Oregon City,Or. The girls were likely just Ward Weaver the 3rds last 2 victims. He lived up in the area of far north coast of California prior to moving to Oregon. And there were many missing women and girls from the time he lived there. My friend is nothing like his father and older brother. They are monsters and my friend is a good man
This is horrific
@@JordanHarbingerShow yes it is. You can read all about it online. Ward Weaver Jr and Ward Weaver III are the names. I've always felt guilty having helped dig her grave even though I was just a innocent kid. Her name was Barbara Ann Levoy and it was 1981 when she was murdered
Why would he tell you to dig it up when he buried the body there? Am I missing something?
@@GorillaCookiesit’s not your fault.
They dug the hole *before* she was buried there. He gave these kids the task of digging the victim's grave.
GREAT GUEST ! THANK YOU
I was a little girl, living on the Presidio when a lot of that stuff was going on. I was too young to be aware of any of it. I find it so incredible how innocent we were. Going about our little kid lives while our parents where , most likely, expressed their horror during their morning coffee clatch. Now days, kids of that age could very well be fully aware when things like this are going on.
This channel is definitely one to watch.
Thank you so much for this podcast. I have wondered why there isn't more emphasis placed on the victim's network of family and friends. Most of use, of course, cannot imagine the catastrophe that will flow through those connections forever. I personally think the offender deserves the death penalty, and within a short time, not after years and years or possibly forever. Why is BTK alive today? Why was his daughter able to write a book about her great relationship with her father? These people are evil. Full stop.
Thanks Sandra. Kind of you!
i agree with your general sentiment (i'm not in favor of the death penalty. but there do seem to be cases that deserve an exception), but the daughter should not be held liable for the sins of her father. a person can be "evil", but yet still treat those that they care about with love. i'm sure the daughters memories of her father, are of a loving and caring dad. just my thoughts on it.
@@JordanHarbingerShow
You need to know that “these monsters”as you call them have mothers and fathers and they were once innocent children which grew up to become killers.
The luck of information and the problems of the society which they grew up in had formed them to become who they are and the gaps in the education and the law (or the luck of religious belief) also played a big role.
If you don’t see the hand of 👑God in this case, it would be very hard to speak to you because even this guy who rescued life’s don’t believe that 👑Jesus Christ is our savior although the evil and the demonic is so evident that you would logically believe in the good and that the only salvation can come from a Devine power!
Something else people don’t see is how the people in most cases died was not a coincidence and the evil possessing the perpetrator lead him precisely where he was supposed to go and do what he was supposed to do! To the normal person this might seem random, but there is nothing random in this world and even before something is about to happen, 👑Heavenly Father knows about it so one thing for sure is that evil is not allowed to do certain things and only when people allow the devil in their lives then only he can torment them and kill them!
love You need to know that “these monsters”as you call them have mothers and fathers and they were once innocent children which grew up to become killers.
The luck of information and the problems of the society which they grew up in had formed them to become who they are and the gaps in the education and the law (or the luck of religious belief) also played a big role.
If you don’t see the hand of 👑God in this case, it would be very hard to speak to you because even this guy who rescued life’s don’t believe that 👑Jesus Christ is our savior although the evil and the demonic is so evident that you would logically believe in the good and that the only salvation can come from a Devine power!
Something else people don’t see is how the people in most cases died was not a coincidence and the evil possessing the perpetrator lead him precisely where he was supposed to go and do what he was supposed to do! To the normal person this might seem random, but there is nothing random in this world and even before something is about to happen, 👑Heavenly Father knows about it so one thing for sure is that evil is not allowed to do certain things and only when people allow the devil in their lives then only he can torment them and kill them!
@@draco4540His daughter is really just as much a victim in my opinion.
I am listening to this as I install another security camera/ light on my house.
Jaycee Dugard is an amazing woman.
I'm sure she is. Her presence in her documentaries show she is an amazing person. I hope her life is turned out to be wonderful as well as he children and h3r mother
Apparently these psychopathic monsters were just the type of people the army were looking for in previous wars to join special ops teams that went into enemy camps at night and killed soldiers whilst they slept. They knew they would have no problem doing this sort of work because they had no empathy or sympathy for other human beings and in fact enjoyed killing. They psychologically profiled men with these tendencies and recruited them for these types of missions.
It's scary that some of these killers are married with kids. BTK gave up his murderous activities when he had children and was required to be a good father hands on and helping around the house. As his kids grew older he began killing again.
I can't even understand how people want to marry them. They never come off as normal/healthy. They aren't always obvious creeps, of course, but there's always some "ick" factor, people seem to love it. So many kind people are single and deserve the families they wish for while these monsters don't deserve anything.
23 & me as well as AncestryDNA does not share your dna with the cops. I did both and because my husbands father was adopted at birth. We both downloaded our raw data onto GED to help law enforcement if someone is In our family and happens to be one of these monsters. We both agreed that it was the right thing to do. In the process, I found out I grew up not knowing I had a different biological dad, and my bio dad had no idea that I was his child until I found him through his brother that had just so happened to do 23 & me the same year me and my husband did ours. It really messed my head up, really bad😰 both my parents that raised me knew, they were the only ones that knew and they thought it was right to not say a word they both would have taken it to their grave. I think they were just as devastated as I was when I found out. I think a lot of women that had kids back in the 70’s, 80’s and even killers that never thought that technology would get to the point it’s at. I’d guarantee the ones that haven’t been caught are worried af if they left any dna behind. I feel so sorry for anyone that goes through these horrific crimes. What a interesting episode.
Strange that you'd both think to upload your raw data to see if anyone in your family was to be part of a crime leaving their DNA.
It bears the question, did you suspect someone in your family of a crime?
They sell our DNA to insurance companies so they can secretly check for genetic history and pre-existing conditions
I would NEVER trust that
They can do whatever they want
Who is stopping them? The corrupt government 🤔
@@kellykirkpatrick4416 It works both ways, up the generations or down the generations...ex. their DNA could catch a future family member aka grand/great grandchildren.
They USED to.
How these individuals can have such a compartmentalised mind loving and kind to own children wife etc . Then cruel and evil to others is mind blowing
Personality disorders.
@Ann G. for sure, it's the bit where they're loving parent husbands, etc, and separated their minds from the horror
Literally like split personalities..... Alter egos etc.
This is an amazing interview. Please have him back on again and conduct more interviews with people that do this for a much
God bless these brave people who have to do this kind of work. I feel sick just hearing about what he had to think about daily.
Never be surprised by what a woman knew or that they were willingly involved. Gross when they get ignored or let off for their part in these crimes.
.. i worked with child vic's and witness', for 13 yrs. in the District Court.
women .... the mothers, the girlfriends, the wives ... were often actively involved.
most ppl are shocked when they learn how willing or compliant women can be.
they always have an excuse. ... but in my opinion.. there is No Excuse.
That's the awful thing about these serial killers, they are extremely rare in numbers, but the waves of destruction they cause is huge. Thank God, there are heros like Paul who make it their lives work to hunt these predators down, and give back a little something to all the victims these evil people have wronged!
I think the whole "true crime" popularity is based on the good guy vs. bad guy scenario, which has always been popular within society. In a world of grey, nothing is more black and white then the true crime genre. We are horrified and fascinated by how evil people are and we cheer and are comforted by the good guys who destroy them.
This was such a great and awesome episode!
Got to know this detective when he was solving the golden state killer case. He is amazing!😊
You can see what these cases do to a man who takes this job so serious , to see his eyes well up with tears 20 or 30 years later
I cannot fathom how these monsters could be devoid of any guilt or could not empathise with the victims families for their loss. How could they take a life and not feel anything and then lead a normal life with a wife and children of their own? They must surely realise that they are the lowest of the low and that murdering is the worst crime of all. They must know they are mentally sick.
If they are a psychopath they don’t get it. The frontal lobe of the brain isn’t developed properly to understand empathy so killing would be like spilling ice cream. You clean it up and move on w/your day and don’t think of it again unless they want to, you’re not upset about it, it doesn’t bother you. I feel like so many forget that they lack the same empathy we do. They are indeed subhuman. The only thing they care about is self preservation; they do know it’s wrong societally but being able to do the actual acts are not something they see as wrong / hard or harmful.
@@Grayyy__ But it is not just that they can commit these horrific acts and not feel anything, they do it because it gives them pleasure, so they are not just thinking of self preservation. They are actively premeditatiing these murders because they enjoy doing it.
As long as there is life, there is hope with God. He is able to heal physical and mental wounds. I am living proof of that.
For some of us who watch true crime stories, it makes us and our families more alert and aware. Some of us even pray for those families.
HE IS RIGHT ON, THERE IS NO CLOSURE EVER.
what an awesome interview
5 mins in and I'm already in tears. However, I'm glad I found this channel. Super important content.
Harbinger is one of if not the best interviewers.
It was like BTK was in a competition with Gacy to see which one could look creepier with that mask on
they both won.🥇🏆
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there is always something in a person's eyes who have seen terrible death..I have seen it with cops and soldiers...i see it here...
Great interview, this is the reason I decided not to go into criminolgy due to the impact on you mental health . Thank GOD there are people like him and others to preservere and get a few bog ones convicted awesome work. haaa I was eating when you said that, hit pause lol, you were right glad I waited lol, How can these serial killers have a family and kids and then go out and do bad things and put on a false facade, what a terrible betrayal, its the same as killing your family too once they really found out what they were doing. Intersting to know the Bay area had the most of them
Thanks for the podcast mate
Wow!What a powerful video! It’s pretty amazing how these predators were found.
1:16:18 here's some comic relief for a very dark podcast... I seriously thought this was heading into an ad segment, "One of the only things that makes me feel a slight sense of relief... is that my browsing history won't be tracked because I'm using Nord VPN™" 🤣
Very interesting & informative yet terrifying throughout. You can see how this type of work could burn you out; what is sad is that these investigators can understand the criminals mind & actions to ultimately solve cases. Yet at the same time not understand what these horrors are psychologically doing to them.
Great guest 👍
What’s the name of the dude?
A truly humble person can serve 👑God without knowing and catch people who are serving evil
I knew almost the entire GSK story including screaming he hated Bonnie but I didn't know he cried after
What a great interview. I’m familiar with the cases and it’s interesting to hear more behind the scenes. His attitude towards criminals and victims is the standard to meet. Or beat.
I posted to my Twitter account. Thank you!
I read some of that girl who was a slave for 18 years diary. And she wrote in it at 9. It broke my heart. She went through everything you imagine your child probably feeling and going.
It broke me!
Paul Holes has become one of my heroes in recent years, and as a 40+ year-old woman there aren't many left because most men are more interested in controlling a fake narrative than walking the actual walk. The difference he has made for the GSK victims and their families alone deserves a medal.
I am grateful for him as a human being and a role model.
I still remember slapping my head when the police chief the EAR/GSK worked for fired him for stealing a dog-repellent and a hammer (perfect for rapists that break and enter) and threatened to kill him - and he didn't even become a suspect.
The Oakland county child killer. 1976 to 1978 never solved .
I've heard the cia creates assassins and I'm wondering if they created serial killers as well.
They take children and abuse them horribly to such a degree that they create split personalities in them which are compartmentalized separate personalities from their original, then they implant in them certain triggers words that can be remotely sent to the brain of the victim of mk Ultra mind control.
You can research everything I've said. I don't know of anyone who is making the connection to the serial killer being under mind control operations.
How many times have you seen someone be interviewed after being caught and the investigators ask them to explain why they did the murders and the answer is always "I don't know"
Think about it
Remember this. They have used fear to control the public and what a perfectly diabolical way to control the people by ùnleashing psychopathic killers onto he public. Diabolical indeed.
I appreciate the content warning! Thank you.
Thanks Jordan and Paul for all you do to help the victims of these monsters.
Rather than listening to all the lurid details of the crimes committed, I was hoping to hear what makes this horrible behavior begin in a murderer . . . is there something that can be done in early childhood education for little boys to protect them from the mental twisting that must have occurred in their early lives? Also, do victims ever fight back, significantly wound and stop the attack or ever kill the attacker? BTW: a universal DNA database is OK by me. I'm not a murderer or a law breaker so I don't care if law enforcement has mine. Many thanks to Investigator Paul Holes for his heroism and its healing effect upon us, clearing up part of this dismal aspect of our world.
Often these are people with severe personality disorders. I would think that might be a place to start looking for information on early intervention.
I've watched enough true crime documentaries to know that if my son was wetting the bed, torturing animals, abusing siblings, isolating himself, consuming p0rn, setting fires, and/or having fascination with odd hobbies, I'd get him in therapy, committed to an institution or in jail ASAP. There are clear, documented signs however many seem to be able to hide in plain sight. None of that worked for Ed Kemper and others. True Demons!
There's always been true crime. Yes that's a fact. Since internet came we can watch the old Hollywood movies, and I have done that often, and I notice that the old crime thriller drama plots were mostly from novels, meaning stories made up by authors. Now times are so morphed, we see the movies are more and more based on true events, real people and real police records. It's super nauseating, but how many creepy demons got their inspiration from Hollywood, can we imagine? And why does media now almost without fail, post the full up close personal photo of the horrid criminal, while the victim is given mention , but is not the main spotlight. If the thugs have been caught, for God's sake keep their ugly faces hidden. The old frontier days are over that had the WANTED alive or dead pictures of the bad guys splashed all over in public places. Thanks for this interview. I'll likely read Paul's book.
I NEVER Forgot about the little 5 year old Samantha Runyan,who was stolen from her grandmas yard,by an illegal male immigrant.He raped her,killed her and didn't just throw her out.He placed her precious little body and defiled it and placed it .She was same age as my neice.I often cry over this precious baby.
The Forensics side & the criminal psychycology are what fascsinates me with true crime
Very informative show.
Paul your book was great! You are a champion for the victims, thanks for your personal sacrifices in trying to catch these predators. Congrats on finding the GSK.
They found him at Hobby Lobby?!!? Mannnn no where is safe anymore 😭
Can you imagine you're walking to the scarp booking aisle and you pass by the Golden State Killer. 😅
Very informative, thanks
Makes me think of Dr Dobsons interview with Ted Bundy prior to his execution warning that there are others. Just watched "Nefarious". An interesting Parallel 🤔
Great questions Jordan, ThanQ
I would pay good money to learn what is meant by a ‘normal dream’…
The Bay Area must be cursed.
Also, a spike in serial killers has a lot to do with wars having happened 10 to 20 years before they start murdering.
Fascinating stuff, thank you.
"Not knowing is always worse than knowing the worst." *Some Buddy
Great interview
Great program.
Jerry Mitchell is a cold case hero (journalist) that cracked some pretty old cases. His book is "RACE AGAINST TIME". I'd love to hear an interview with you Jordan.
I wonder if having children got him to eventually stop, and not because he gained empathy, more because he was too busy to kill himself.
The passed tense of "to drag" is not "drugged". It's "dragged" I'm just saying
*Past*
I love your show and I LOVE Jumbo's!!
Back in the 70s I had a stalker for a year that knew every move I made. I was working nights and as soon as I walked in the door to my home. The phone was ringing and that man knew everything I did that day and everything that I wore down to the t. I always thought it was somebody I knew or a neighbor and then one day. I get a phone call that he was moving out of state and getting married. He was sad because he couldn't call me anymore. I never gave it much thought until now that he could have been a serial killer. But I did find out it wasn't a neighbor because none of my neighbors moved out of state. After all these years I still have no clue who could have been.
Judges, politicians should replace those murdered with images of their own!!! As horrible as that statement is. They must protect the children especially now when thousands of children at border have gone unaccounted for!
Im a firm believer that "The Apple Don't Fall Far From The Tree"
Humans can withstand a lot. Better to be alive than a memory.
... yes.. humans can be quite resilient .
i have known a lot of Survivors. I am a Survivor myself
the struggle to survive is very real, but we never give up.
and we fight till the end. [a happy life is still obtainable]
True story:When they took lead out of gasoline in the late 70's crims rates began too drop. Like your show🎉
Edward Tice. Yes. I heard that too. And on the other side of the coin, there are stories where populations with high lithium intake have significantly less crime.
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also, i heard that when the mob ran Vegas, of course their business included murders, extortions, prostitution & other vice, but they supposedly wouldn't tolerate random criminals who preyed on regular citizens, the working class & tourists, those predators would he warned, beaten up to spread the word or planted in the desert.
David Brown relatively speaking, literally, I have a relative that finally got put on lithium. Our lives were and still are permeated with the behaviour displayed by #45. There is a hunger for things violent and dark. The speech is peppered with threats and violence desired. The only person that counts is them. Narc. Don't you dare answer back, have a differing opinion, attempt to correct an incorrect piece of information twisted to suit their path. Retaliation if any percieved slight is felt or seen will be fast, viscious and personal. No remorse, no apology, no empathy. Just a cold laugh with a side of derision. Expect permanent verbal digs to open wounds of the heart and mind, just when you thought you were over it. Evil is real. Demons are too. You can be possessed and controlled. Never mind the mind control done on all of us in school and via tv and phones and pcs and laptops. Governments and their military's abuse all of us on the daily. Lithium levelled the racing highs and lows. But the mind can beat it if it so chooses. Some are born with a blip on the radar, others are traumatized by religious orders in school, in church. Military training programs break many young guys. Cults abound. Two sides. You choose God or the devil himself will surely destroy you to show God..see what I did to you and one of yours. Pride booted me from heaven. Payback. You pray for them without ceasing. Fasting works even better alongside prayers. Growing up the paint on the walls, doors, windows and furniture was lead based. A family friend painted houses inside and out back in the 1960s. Affected him very badly. Severe debilitating depression. I intuitively said that was the cause when I was a kid visiting their house. Got shot down verbally. After his early death in his early 40s his autopsy confirmed it. His heart quit on him. His brain was destroyed. Only part of the problem.
@@sheilasullivan1950 Don't I "dare answer?" Oh no, I DO "dare answer." I was talking about naturally occurring levels of lithium in the public water supply. Not dangerous overdoses of medical lithium carbonate. I was talking about large populations, not some relative of yours.
@@sheilasullivan1950 what or who are you referring to when you say #45?
Thanks to molecular analysis of DNA, we never have to give up again.
We are all pieces of a puzzle working together without having the box at the start..some will try and start in the corners , others match by looking at the colors, and there are a few great ones who know the picture not the pieces. You watch them over and over wondering how they do it?? We as puzzle enthusiasts all love the process, however you will forever remember to stay humble
How do you not know who BTK is?
The unfairness of killers living free until caught decades later is exactly why I don’t believe in god.
Well you sure are missing a lot then...
What does that have to do with there being a God?
Oah my... you just asked a tinglie question....they had to use jetmatch and public information because it was not only illegal but unlawful to get that information from private databases......I'm so glad to see he didn't expound on that point because Snowden says that that very legal but unlawful thing is actually being done.
Why would you ask if he ever pictured his own kid? Who would want to do that? It's more interesting to talk about the actual serial killers than it is to talk about the guys' feelings about all this.
What is - BTK ? Where have u been living Harbinger ?....I live in EUROPE and even I know what BTK is
I would really be interested in his thoughts on the killing fields murders !!! I've been researching these cases for 4+ years and there's at least 30+ females that I've researched 😞😞😞😭🙏🙏🙏
ALWAYS ON GUARD….its exhausting 🙄
I am almost done my masters in Forensic Psychology. I want to work with LEOs, vets, FF/EMTs, and others who experience occupational trauma. The world is becoming increasingly more violent.
Fortunately that’s not correct. Violent crime is much lower than in past decades
@@JordanHarbingerShow Not according to NCIS data
Until this society is willing to deal with degenerate male and their true nature, this will unfortunately continue.
Really well done ✅ but yes what is in the waters around the world 🌍
Paul's POI had the same history of harassment as the earonsgsk, just based off of detective work.
I know a lady who was in the Fort Worth area and was murdered under similar circumstances. She went insane and died a year later.
Neat trick--dying a year after you are murdered. Was insanity the official cause of death?
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yeah, that one wasn't making sense,
& i doubt insanity was ever listed as cause of death,
tho it probably has been the cause of countless deaths,
as has ignorance, bravado, people overestimating their fighting skills/ underestimating their opponent, also not listed as official causes of death.
How can people be so cruel as to threaten the CHILDREN of these offenders, who not only are having to face the horror that the person who is supposed to be their "protector"..their Dad, is actually a serial killer, but the heartbreak of not realizing what an açtual total stranger to them has been. And then, top all that off with having their very lives threatened over what their Parent has done. I understand extreme anger, however don't blame the "innocent," parties for something they have had NO CONTROL over.
Kinda funny how during the " serial killer Era " was the same time as MK-ULTRA, the acid tests and in the same areas
19:15 Russia had a cop serial killer just like this. He would pick up night walkers offering to take them home because it’s dangerous, and if they were at all drunk he would attack and kill them. If you want to hear more about some nuts like this, Casual Criminalist is one that tries to avoid the gore and you can see the actual disgust and frustration on the presenters face when he reads the things he does not say. A few people have actually reached out to him and his writers about their own family members who were killed by less well known serial killers asking to share what happened to their loved ones.