Imagine how successful the Sith would've been if Vitiate put the Empire first instead of himself. I know the nature of the dark side is to seek one's own advancement, but it gets to a point where its counterproductive to their success as a collective. If every Sith is only thinking of themself, how can an empire of Sith ever function? Vitiate could have been the leader who changed the Sith, but he never saw them as his people, only his slaves, fuel for his power. Rip to Darth Marr who did what Vitiate couldn't.
It is because the fact is that sith ideology is simply incompatible with a stable society and empire for that matter .A sith empire is simply not capable of having a stable and prosperous society .And whilst capitalism has its faults ,at the very least it is nothing compared to the depravity and degeneracy of the sith ideology .It simply is ridiculous to compare the two
Playing the Sith Warrior, I always saw Malgus and The Wrath as tragic. The latest story update, Old Wounds, cements this. Two warriors, both of whom recognise the Sith Empire is it's own worst enemy. Two warriors that genuinely respect each other and have a lot of the same values. But while the Wrath is willing to work inside the boundaries to bring about reform like Darth Marr and Darth Acina, Malgus is a true revolutionary. He needs a clean slate, right now. And in the end, both Warriors are doomed to forever hold true to similar values, whilst constantly fighting each other.
Sith are often good at planning ahead while being terribly short-sighted at the same time. Good villains usually have some sort of dissonance like that going on, whether it's moral, cognitive, or motivational.
I hate how people say SWTOR ruined Revan. I'd probably go on a galaxy wide purge if I was tortured for 300 years in stasis and not being able to see my wife and unborn son ever again. The picture of Revan absolutely broken looking at the holopic of Bastila and Vaner together is one of the saddest moments in Star Wars for me.
The Sith Empire of KOTOR3 would've been way more horrifying and dangerous then the Sith Empire we got in SWTOR, apparently they all would've been Nihilus-on-Steroids kind of Sith.
@@stevenschnepp576 It's what I'm doing for a Star Wars DND campaign with my friends. I compiled everything I could find about KOTOR 3 from dev quotes and fan speculation and mixed it with the elements that were basically in SWTOR. I'm basically rewriting SWTOR for my friends and setting it 300 years earlier. I read Tales of the Jedi, the KOTOR comics, Dark Empire (It has a lot of Old Republic lore and is the foundation of that era), and played KOTOR 1 and 2 for inspiration on what could be done in this unexplored time frame.
The Foundry actually wasn't a Sith Prison but one of the Star Forges built by the Rakata. The Maelstrom Prison was was the name of the Sith prison where Revan was held in the Maelstrom Nebula.
If only they did the same to Revan and the Jedi Exile. Seriously am tired of hearing of Revan as always a Light Sided Male all the time, and also the inanity that is "Meetra Surik" to the JE.
@michaelandreipalon359 It’s called having a canon storyline. Revan and Meetra Surik are their own characters outside of KOTOR, so of course they don’t play around using their actual names, because they were too impactful to remain the anonymous player character. Plus the only reason player characters are given titles in the first place is so that dialogue can make sense because the voice actors can’t record every possible name the player could choose.
I’m surprised Geestly’s hasn’t touched on Vitiate’s ritual on Natheema (I think that was the planet), where he devoured the life force of a thousand other Sith Lords. I’m pretty sure that occurred not long after the Great Hyperspace War. Also, seeing that planet and how all life on it was completely cleansed was a big part in what caused Lord Scourge to turn against Vitiate and ally with Jedi in the first place.
Also, another thing that wasn't mentioned - Ziost. Vitiate's spirit did return, and a combined Republic and Imperial force tried to stop him...they failed horribly.
Being unable to join Malgus is still one of SWTORs biggest wasted opportunities, I thought he was absolutely correct about everything when he first left the Empire
@@celestialyagg804 And he wanted to be immortal. Because instead of following the Rule of Two like Sith before him, he established the Rule of One. Where he would remain sole Ruler. He may have taken apprentices but he always made sure that they weren’t taught enough to overthrow him.
I loved how Vitiate is basically the galaxies' greatest Entrepreneur and job creator, the guy creates two galaxy spanning empires in centuries, and the Republic took like what twenty five thousand years to get to where it is. If the galaxy far far away had Stellaris as a video game, no doubt that would be his favorite. I'm pretty sure if he couldn't have been stopped the galaxy would have had ten empires and maybe even three republics just to help mix things up by the clones wars. Obviously he hates ruling but loves the building process.
Ya, not sure I’d call Vitiate a ‘builder.’ More like he conquered stuff already built by the backs of those he killed or enslaved for the sole purpose of going from planet to planet to consume their Living Force. The ultimate communist.
Malgus: None who have stood by my side have understood this, the only one who could have is my enemy. A shame that you and I must remain that way. Malgus regarding the player character Player character: Nothing lasts forever.
That hurt a little. Two warriors, who've seen the rot and corruption and have two different paths to sort it, destined to clash until one of them finally dies, much to the regret of the other.
The Sith Empire founded by Darth Vitiate deserved better. It was the best of the Sith Empires. Sure, the Galactic Empire finally won the Republic and the Jedi. But when it comes to the functions of the society, the Empire that Darth Vitiate founded is way more progressive, especially after Darth Marr became the de facto leader of the Empire and after Darth Acina issued what basically is her own version of the Tanzimat Reforms on the Spheres of Influences and the Imperial society. With the other species are welcomed into the ranks, the humanocentric culture has been greatly curbed and slaves most likely have certain rights and the ability to climb up the social ranks, the Sith Empire of this era has become the Republic's equal. If there is a great galactic polity that deserved a fair share of the galaxy, it will be the Sith Empire founded by Darth Vitiate and reorganized by Darth Marr and Darth Acina.
I don't know much about this True Sith Empire, but it seems to be a civilization that was initially founded on an evil religion and morally corruptive magic, but which was made up of real people, and was large enough and stuck around for long enough that the efforts of those people to improve themselves and their society actually led to positive change. People began realizing the practical values of virtues and eventually pushing for their large-scale adoption, while other people took the religious idea of believing in something greater than themselves and shifted it until the thing they believed in was actually worth believing in, and still others decided that true patriotism meant trying to correct their nations flaws, not blind loyalty. All of this makes the system less hostile to those people with some understanding of morality, leading to them growing in numbers and in power, further transforming the society they live in. Maybe I should play this game at some point, because that seems like a pretty interesting setting.
@@samueldimmock694 yes the true sith were an evil cult of dark siders led by darth vitiate who wanted to destroy life itself. The empire however changed for the better after they overthrew Vitiate and his cultists.
Dude, when start splitting hairs about slaves, at least have rights now, need take serious look at what you’re saying 😂 They were all garbo, and evil as sin.
Another moral to Revan's story is: 'You either die a hero or live long enough to watch yourself become the Villain' If you're a republic character and freed Revan, in the Shadow of Revan Expansion your character can respond :' he/She freed Revan from the Maelstrom Prison and heared he died not long afterward.' so the Empire beaten Revan anyway in the foundry, he swore he would crush the Sith Empire, but he din't live long enough to even try... Revan also refers to his killers in the foundry as 'The Emperor's Followers' so if a Imperial Player team din't defeat revan there, "Followers of the Emperor" would have.
Slight errors on the part about Revan's rescue. The Foundry wasn't the prison, it was the facility Revan went to after his rescue from the Maelstrom Nebula Prison. It was on the Foundry where Revan was initially "killed" causing his strange mental and physical shattering.
This series has been great. With all the bits and pieces of information out there it is so nice to finally have a timeline put together. Thanks for the content.
Taral V leads to Maelstrom Prison, not the Foundry. Revan only goes to the Foundry after he is liberated from the Sith Prison, where he then dies to a task force from the Imperial side. (Or your character alone if you play the flashpoint Story mode.)
(Although Revan doesn't stay dead. He comes back in Story of Revan, and yet again in the finale against the Emperor. Just as Malgus originally dies in "False Emperor" Flashpoint after Ilum, and comes back on Ossus and is imprisoned on whichever Fleet your character is from and still is there as of 7.3 updates). And Vitiate/Tenebrae/Valkorian also have a nasty habit of returning from the dead. And... in the movies.... Somehow Palpatine returns. At least in EU, Palpatine's return is explained in a way that doesn't make Vader's sacrifice meaningless. So... in Star Wars, people have a way of popping back from death. Not to mention Force Ghosts (Jedi) and Force Apparitions (Sith tho are usually confined to areas near their tombs).
Sith Empire in SWTOR, ever since kotet is a pretty much sith utopia and imperial utopia in general under leadership of Empress Acina, if you want to experience sith utopia play this game, you won't be dissapointed what Empire becomes during later stages.
1:26 Ah yes... politicians doing what politicians do best. Scapegoat, scapegoat, scapegoat! Like you said, the Jedi were thrown under the speeder and turned into convenient scapegoats despite everything they did for the Republic.
@@Bluepizza1684it was the _ATTENTION! SERGEANT ON DECK!_ guy - Geetz didn’t finish the monologue before the Sergeant entered the deck & that dude’s ONE job is to announce it.
Hey Geetsly, we have seen a couple of Jedi wookies in legends. but i was wondering is there any sith Wookie out there? in wookie culture there is afther all mentions of mad claws etc that was wookies that broke some of the taboos that the wookies had like using their claws in battle.
The cold war and resulting return to galactic war, served no one except the eternal empire and the seemingly unkillable vitiate as it further weaken and warred down the military strengths of the two respective main galactic powers and left them eventually ripe for the picking by said eternal empire, attacking from the shadows and unknown regions with unstoppable might.
All these rich, full, interesting stories and lore with complex characters... and disney wants to dismiss all of them in favor of Rey Palpa... Skywalk... errr whatever...🙄😆
Okay, my knowledge of Legend lore is rather limited but wasn't Vicionit already a ghost at the time when Revan was trying to summon him, wasn't he the one hiding in the Unknown Region? If so, then how could Revan revive his spirit if it was already revived? Was Revan just insane at this time or what? I mean I know his psyche had been fractured, but I didn't think it was that bad.
I believe at that point, the Jedi Knight playable character killed the Emperor and Revan's dark side was trying to bring him back. While Revan's dark side was stopped, the Emperor was actually brought back, leading directly into the events of the Eternal Empire expansion. The EE was something Vitiate worked beforehand as a pastime, but it was after the Shadow of Revan expansion he committed to it fully.
Vitiate split himself in 3. Make it work in your head from there and you're good. Vitiate's a plot device disguised as an extremely overpowered Darth Sidious knock off.
@@michaelandreipalon359 Oh were allowed to make our own personalized records now. If you'll excuse me, I have the entire Clone Wars(both versions) to try and make a record of. lol.
Wait wait wait why’d you change the ending here? 😂 Revan was successful in resurrecting the emperor though. But he did still decide to rest afterwards and leave the rest of the galaxy to clean up after his mess
To be blunt, utopias even by folks who are true and pure of heart are just impossible if not foregonely inane. Heck, though they may actually succeed in the initial short run, will they ultimately succeed to last for, say, ten thousand years if not forever, such a concept? Then again, this is just a blood knight, occasional jingoist, and well-intentioned benevolent templar speaking, so don't mostly take my word for it.
And they usually come with a hell of a lot of morally questionable, often outright heinous, deeds that make the falling apart of these systems even worse.
I am not a good person so i would not be a jedi and I truly believe in that state ment that the Sith are their own worst enemy always! If I was to be in a situation where I had the powers and the decision I would make it just 1 Sith alot of collaborators but with no real power and they would never know my true power...and then pass on all my knowledge by searching my entire life span to find the perfect pupil...Manipulate the situation and have him trained...Then when I was finnally ready to die I would give him a sith Holocron with all my knowledge to do with it as he pleased...Then noone to bicker....no different factions...each sith that rises to the title of dark emporer is alone in that and would kill all others even trying to be come sith as well with all jedi...But there would no in fighting...no backstabbing by ppl with equal power...Democracy is any more like a council is almost against the way the sith is supposed to think!
The yavin plot point was a major plot hole as vitiate was already alive as he had built his other empire also the sith losing Corelia is a republic propaganda lie my sith inquisitor won it for the empire 😆
"The Sith Emperor was bored of his empire and left to pursue other endeavors."
Lord Vitiate, Entrepreneur extraordinaire!
sometimes you just to have to take a hands off approach to your businesses 🤷♂
😂😂😂
Other endeavors?
What's he gotta do, start running another empire on the side?
Imagine how successful the Sith would've been if Vitiate put the Empire first instead of himself. I know the nature of the dark side is to seek one's own advancement, but it gets to a point where its counterproductive to their success as a collective. If every Sith is only thinking of themself, how can an empire of Sith ever function? Vitiate could have been the leader who changed the Sith, but he never saw them as his people, only his slaves, fuel for his power. Rip to Darth Marr who did what Vitiate couldn't.
True words
Scourge acknowledged this too in the book. He admired the jedi for fighting for a cause bigger than themselves
That's the point... selfishness, hate, fear, etc. all lead to destruction
Compare this to capitalism and you got yourself a conundrum.
It is because the fact is that sith ideology is simply incompatible with a stable society and empire for that matter .A sith empire is simply not capable of having a stable and prosperous society .And whilst capitalism has its faults ,at the very least it is nothing compared to the depravity and degeneracy of the sith ideology .It simply is ridiculous to compare the
two
Darth vitiate (dies) every other Sith: my turn to rule
Darth vitiate says hold my beer
Other Sith: sure, wait what?!
Playing the Sith Warrior, I always saw Malgus and The Wrath as tragic. The latest story update, Old Wounds, cements this. Two warriors, both of whom recognise the Sith Empire is it's own worst enemy. Two warriors that genuinely respect each other and have a lot of the same values.
But while the Wrath is willing to work inside the boundaries to bring about reform like Darth Marr and Darth Acina, Malgus is a true revolutionary. He needs a clean slate, right now.
And in the end, both Warriors are doomed to forever hold true to similar values, whilst constantly fighting each other.
Brothers, in many ways.
Sith are often good at planning ahead while being terribly short-sighted at the same time. Good villains usually have some sort of dissonance like that going on, whether it's moral, cognitive, or motivational.
Just one of the reasons why I love them.
Make long plans to victory, focus mainly on "What I want" then stop planning.
I hate how people say SWTOR ruined Revan. I'd probably go on a galaxy wide purge if I was tortured for 300 years in stasis and not being able to see my wife and unborn son ever again.
The picture of Revan absolutely broken looking at the holopic of Bastila and Vaner together is one of the saddest moments in Star Wars for me.
The 300 year stasis is why people don’t like it. We should have gotten KOTOR 3 instead of SWTOR. It never should have been an MMO.
It wouldn't have been hated had the MMO became an Infinities storyline instead.
The Sith Empire of KOTOR3 would've been way more horrifying and dangerous then the Sith Empire we got in SWTOR, apparently they all would've been Nihilus-on-Steroids kind of Sith.
Yeah, I generally ignore SWTOR for my headcanon.
@@stevenschnepp576 It's what I'm doing for a Star Wars DND campaign with my friends. I compiled everything I could find about KOTOR 3 from dev quotes and fan speculation and mixed it with the elements that were basically in SWTOR. I'm basically rewriting SWTOR for my friends and setting it 300 years earlier. I read Tales of the Jedi, the KOTOR comics, Dark Empire (It has a lot of Old Republic lore and is the foundation of that era), and played KOTOR 1 and 2 for inspiration on what could be done in this unexplored time frame.
The Foundry actually wasn't a Sith Prison but one of the Star Forges built by the Rakata. The Maelstrom Prison was was the name of the Sith prison where Revan was held in the Maelstrom Nebula.
It's so very funny listening to them playing around the names of the player characters of SWTOR.
If only they did the same to Revan and the Jedi Exile. Seriously am tired of hearing of Revan as always a Light Sided Male all the time, and also the inanity that is "Meetra Surik" to the JE.
@michaelandreipalon359 It’s called having a canon storyline. Revan and Meetra Surik are their own characters outside of KOTOR, so of course they don’t play around using their actual names, because they were too impactful to remain the anonymous player character. Plus the only reason player characters are given titles in the first place is so that dialogue can make sense because the voice actors can’t record every possible name the player could choose.
I’m surprised Geestly’s hasn’t touched on Vitiate’s ritual on Natheema (I think that was the planet), where he devoured the life force of a thousand other Sith Lords. I’m pretty sure that occurred not long after the Great Hyperspace War. Also, seeing that planet and how all life on it was completely cleansed was a big part in what caused Lord Scourge to turn against Vitiate and ally with Jedi in the first place.
Also, another thing that wasn't mentioned - Ziost. Vitiate's spirit did return, and a combined Republic and Imperial force tried to stop him...they failed horribly.
Being unable to join Malgus is still one of SWTORs biggest wasted opportunities, I thought he was absolutely correct about everything when he first left the Empire
Vitiate was more evil than Palpatine for one reason: He was willing to devour all life in Galaxy just to make himself immortal.
He makes Palpatine look like a tinpot by comparison.
Nihilus + Sidious = Vitiate
@@Official_Kayde_Games + a little more evil on top
nah difference is he wanted to just be immortal, sidious wanted everything and everyone under his control forever
@@celestialyagg804 And he wanted to be immortal. Because instead of following the Rule of Two like Sith before him, he established the Rule of One. Where he would remain sole Ruler. He may have taken apprentices but he always made sure that they weren’t taught enough to overthrow him.
Dude, notification just appeared and stole me from what I was doing. Guess the force willed it.
In terms of his antics Revan trying to resurrect Vitiate was definitely his dumbest
he went insane after the centuries of torture so i don't rlly hold it against him. the revan we know would never.
I loved how Vitiate is basically the galaxies' greatest Entrepreneur and job creator, the guy creates two galaxy spanning empires in centuries, and the Republic took like what twenty five thousand years to get to where it is. If the galaxy far far away had Stellaris as a video game, no doubt that would be his favorite. I'm pretty sure if he couldn't have been stopped the galaxy would have had ten empires and maybe even three republics just to help mix things up by the clones wars. Obviously he hates ruling but loves the building process.
Slave isn’t much of a job opportunity 😂
Ya, not sure I’d call Vitiate a ‘builder.’ More like he conquered stuff already built by the backs of those he killed or enslaved for the sole purpose of going from planet to planet to consume their Living Force. The ultimate communist.
Malgus: None who have stood by my side have understood this, the only one who could have is my enemy. A shame that you and I must remain that way.
Malgus regarding the player character
Player character: Nothing lasts forever.
That hurt a little. Two warriors, who've seen the rot and corruption and have two different paths to sort it, destined to clash until one of them finally dies, much to the regret of the other.
The Sith Empire founded by Darth Vitiate deserved better. It was the best of the Sith Empires. Sure, the Galactic Empire finally won the Republic and the Jedi. But when it comes to the functions of the society, the Empire that Darth Vitiate founded is way more progressive, especially after Darth Marr became the de facto leader of the Empire and after Darth Acina issued what basically is her own version of the Tanzimat Reforms on the Spheres of Influences and the Imperial society. With the other species are welcomed into the ranks, the humanocentric culture has been greatly curbed and slaves most likely have certain rights and the ability to climb up the social ranks, the Sith Empire of this era has become the Republic's equal. If there is a great galactic polity that deserved a fair share of the galaxy, it will be the Sith Empire founded by Darth Vitiate and reorganized by Darth Marr and Darth Acina.
Bro it’s an empire. It was ruled by a select group of elites based on strength. It never was progressive.
I don't know much about this True Sith Empire, but it seems to be a civilization that was initially founded on an evil religion and morally corruptive magic, but which was made up of real people, and was large enough and stuck around for long enough that the efforts of those people to improve themselves and their society actually led to positive change. People began realizing the practical values of virtues and eventually pushing for their large-scale adoption, while other people took the religious idea of believing in something greater than themselves and shifted it until the thing they believed in was actually worth believing in, and still others decided that true patriotism meant trying to correct their nations flaws, not blind loyalty. All of this makes the system less hostile to those people with some understanding of morality, leading to them growing in numbers and in power, further transforming the society they live in.
Maybe I should play this game at some point, because that seems like a pretty interesting setting.
@@samueldimmock694 yes the true sith were an evil cult of dark siders led by darth vitiate who wanted to destroy life itself. The empire however changed for the better after they overthrew Vitiate and his cultists.
Dude, when start splitting hairs about slaves, at least have rights now, need take serious look at what you’re saying 😂
They were all garbo, and evil as sin.
@@PutYourQuarterUpGaming The point is that if the liberation of slaves is not an option, then giving the slaves certain rights is required to happen.
When even Darth Pleaguis was happy you died you know you messed up.
Revan will always be an exceedingly curious character
Sith are evil.
@@jmgonzales7701---Yes and Revan's been both Jedi and Sith.
Moral of the story Revan is literally a legend because the only person that can beat Revan is Revan.
But you do beat him in the Imperial campaign
@@leonardomarquesbellini1.5 times
I've never played SWTOR so
Revan is overrated
Another moral to Revan's story is: 'You either die a hero or live long enough to watch yourself become the Villain'
If you're a republic character and freed Revan, in the Shadow of Revan Expansion your character can respond :' he/She freed Revan from the Maelstrom Prison and heared he died not long afterward.' so the Empire beaten Revan anyway in the foundry, he swore he would crush the Sith Empire, but he din't live long enough to even try... Revan also refers to his killers in the foundry as 'The Emperor's Followers' so if a Imperial Player team din't defeat revan there, "Followers of the Emperor" would have.
The game was rigged against Malgus
Isn't everyone in the Star Wars realms?
Malgus the Based, may he become canon
Nihilus’ ghost: Look what he does to gain even a fraction of my power
When Sith Gets Real, it is never in a small margin.
Dark Side does not do things halfway.
Slight errors on the part about Revan's rescue. The Foundry wasn't the prison, it was the facility Revan went to after his rescue from the Maelstrom Nebula Prison. It was on the Foundry where Revan was initially "killed" causing his strange mental and physical shattering.
This series has been great. With all the bits and pieces of information out there it is so nice to finally have a timeline put together. Thanks for the content.
Taral V leads to Maelstrom Prison, not the Foundry. Revan only goes to the Foundry after he is liberated from the Sith Prison, where he then dies to a task force from the Imperial side. (Or your character alone if you play the flashpoint Story mode.)
(Although Revan doesn't stay dead. He comes back in Story of Revan, and yet again in the finale against the Emperor. Just as Malgus originally dies in "False Emperor" Flashpoint after Ilum, and comes back on Ossus and is imprisoned on whichever Fleet your character is from and still is there as of 7.3 updates). And Vitiate/Tenebrae/Valkorian also have a nasty habit of returning from the dead. And... in the movies.... Somehow Palpatine returns. At least in EU, Palpatine's return is explained in a way that doesn't make Vader's sacrifice meaningless.
So... in Star Wars, people have a way of popping back from death. Not to mention Force Ghosts (Jedi) and Force Apparitions (Sith tho are usually confined to areas near their tombs).
Please do a video on cis navy structure and ranks
Republic, “Should we chase the Sith down? Finish them off?”
Jedi Order, “Naaa! Let them destroy each other for us.”
Bro just called Vitiate the fake Nihilus 😂
8:51 they look like the hardest boy band in the galaxy.
Vitiate: HA! Nice try, Revan! Next time, give it your A-game!
“Wookie arm wrestling a preschooler” 😂😂 damn I kinda wanna see how that goes
7:56 *Later...*
"Somehow, Malgus returned".
Sith Empire in SWTOR, ever since kotet is a pretty much sith utopia and imperial utopia in general under leadership of Empress Acina, if you want to experience sith utopia play this game, you won't be dissapointed what Empire becomes during later stages.
My guy just summed up the post game of swtor 😊
These Star Wars history videos are amazing and always a fun watch. Great work
facts, here's hoping we get jedi history after sith history
1:26
Ah yes... politicians doing what politicians do best. Scapegoat, scapegoat, scapegoat! Like you said, the Jedi were thrown under the speeder and turned into convenient scapegoats despite everything they did for the Republic.
1:05 why was there a cut off?
The formidable foes sliced his recording
@@Bluepizza1684it was the _ATTENTION! SERGEANT ON DECK!_ guy - Geetz didn’t finish the monologue before the Sergeant entered the deck & that dude’s ONE job is to announce it.
Loving this series!
and that is a story for a foundling! Left is off there and only ppl that know what a foundling is would know!
10:45 What about Independent Operation Sebaddon? The Republic and Empire worked together.
ironic how Yavin 4 ended up as the rebel base SOOOOO many years later.
Hey Geetsly, we have seen a couple of Jedi wookies in legends. but i was wondering is there any sith Wookie out there? in wookie culture there is afther all mentions of mad claws etc that was wookies that broke some of the taboos that the wookies had like using their claws in battle.
The cold war and resulting return to galactic war, served no one except the eternal empire and the seemingly unkillable vitiate as it further weaken and warred down the military strengths of the two respective main galactic powers and left them eventually ripe for the picking by said eternal empire, attacking from the shadows and unknown regions with unstoppable might.
Uh the foundry was another Rakata factory like the Star Forge, not a Sith prison
"In a war more one sided than a wookiee arm wrestling a preschooler."
kotor did revan dirty
Aw man, Malgus was spaced? What novel is that?
All the lore is why I think they never should have shut down the PvP servers. You’re goddamn joking!
All these rich, full, interesting stories and lore with complex characters... and disney wants to dismiss all of them in favor of Rey Palpa... Skywalk... errr whatever...🙄😆
I dunno, do we want dinsey rootin’ around TOR?
7:34 who is “Magnus”? did the chess guy really make a play on the _galaxy?!_
What was the empire that supposedly humiliated both the republic and sith empire called?
In The Knights of the Old Republic...everyone dies... Allegedly.
Makes me wonder what kind of Sith Empire we'd have gotten if plans for KOTOR 3 weren't scrubbed.
What's the name of the video you mentioned at the very end?
Can't wait for Malgus to die again then come back and then we join together with the revived Revan in defeating the Emperor for the 4th time!!
So good. Hteat storutelling
Okay, my knowledge of Legend lore is rather limited but wasn't Vicionit already a ghost at the time when Revan was trying to summon him, wasn't he the one hiding in the Unknown Region? If so, then how could Revan revive his spirit if it was already revived? Was Revan just insane at this time or what? I mean I know his psyche had been fractured, but I didn't think it was that bad.
I believe at that point, the Jedi Knight playable character killed the Emperor and Revan's dark side was trying to bring him back.
While Revan's dark side was stopped, the Emperor was actually brought back, leading directly into the events of the Eternal Empire expansion. The EE was something Vitiate worked beforehand as a pastime, but it was after the Shadow of Revan expansion he committed to it fully.
My knowledge is sizable, but believe me, I treat this MMO as Infinities-style apocrypha, so I don't include it in my personal Legends records.
Vitiate split himself in 3. Make it work in your head from there and you're good. Vitiate's a plot device disguised as an extremely overpowered Darth Sidious knock off.
@@michaelandreipalon359 Oh were allowed to make our own personalized records now. If you'll excuse me, I have the entire Clone Wars(both versions) to try and make a record of. lol.
@@XXMatt0040XX So basically Sidious from Episode 9. XD.
You also skipped over the events on Ziost, which precededs Zakuul.
He touches on this in the next chapter.
He was split after he died on the foundry...
His name as MULGUS not MAGNUS
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Wait wait wait why’d you change the ending here? 😂
Revan was successful in resurrecting the emperor though. But he did still decide to rest afterwards and leave the rest of the galaxy to clean up after his mess
To be blunt, utopias even by folks who are true and pure of heart are just impossible if not foregonely inane. Heck, though they may actually succeed in the initial short run, will they ultimately succeed to last for, say, ten thousand years if not forever, such a concept?
Then again, this is just a blood knight, occasional jingoist, and well-intentioned benevolent templar speaking, so don't mostly take my word for it.
And they usually come with a hell of a lot of morally questionable, often outright heinous, deeds that make the falling apart of these systems even worse.
I am not a good person so i would not be a jedi and I truly believe in that state ment that the Sith are their own worst enemy always! If I was to be in a situation where I had the powers and the decision I would make it just 1 Sith alot of collaborators but with no real power and they would never know my true power...and then pass on all my knowledge by searching my entire life span to find the perfect pupil...Manipulate the situation and have him trained...Then when I was finnally ready to die I would give him a sith Holocron with all my knowledge to do with it as he pleased...Then noone to bicker....no different factions...each sith that rises to the title of dark emporer is alone in that and would kill all others even trying to be come sith as well with all jedi...But there would no in fighting...no backstabbing by ppl with equal power...Democracy is any more like a council is almost against the way the sith is supposed to think!
The Senate has the biggest Adv the Sith have EVER had.
Why would you resurrect the Emperor just to kill him again?
It's even funnier the 2nd time?
The yavin plot point was a major plot hole as vitiate was already alive as he had built his other empire also the sith losing Corelia is a republic propaganda lie my sith inquisitor won it for the empire 😆
no way you actual played the games or anything and found a way to mispronounce so many words and ppl names
All I hear is lore for gamers to switch sides in an mmorpg. Freddie Prince was right
As a commander in swtor I absolutely hate how these characters keep getting away with shit. I have to kill malgus too many times.