Honestly the girl yes did murder her but was manipulated her charges should have been lessoned she was devastated by what she did she deserves a second chance at life
Sexual and financial. It's a shame the life insurance company couldn't call please and say policies have been changed and the wife is now worth so much money when I'm just a truck driver. Especially because when you set up insurance, we look at everybody's contributions to the household. Some people that murder for life insurance have insurance through other companies. But this seems to be from what they've said one company. We all want to make sure our kids have college funds or whatever. But it's so unusual in my thinking that a truck driver would want this. Especially if he's concerned enough that the family be cared for. You would think he would make sure his insurance is in place and quadrupled or whatever
@@insanitycompromiseentertai7665I agree 100%. To me it wouldn't matter if that was her birth mother or Foster mom. How hard would it be to manipulate a child that's never known any great stability? And then you twist things even more in her mind by making it a sexual relationship. I would bet money this child is probably been molested sexuality before. But even if not, she was still a child that doesn't know a normal family dynamic. Most of us grow up and it never occurs to us that we would be taken away from the family we live with. Not to say parents don't divorce and things are divided. But when you have something like that looming over you I can't imagine what this kid must have felt.
and relaizing all this time she was living with a monster of a "father"... after many years though, I know she will never forgive brie, but I hope she will also understand that Sabrinna was also a victim of this.
@@LucyFerr000 Its been many years. I don't think it will happen unless she has her own child and then sees the damage to her foster sister. I can't blame her for her feelings because she watched it happen. When a child takes responsibility and shows such remorse that says so much.
What’s sad for me is that this whole time Sabrina probably didn’t know she was being abused. Since she never had a proper family she probably thought what “love” her foster dad gave her was what a normal family was supposed to do to her.
Yes and she was abused by both parents. Isolating a child because of a grooming husband us also abusive. Doesnt make it okay in anyway whatsoever still..
When you're a child you don't know because you're taught adults are good and are the authority. So when an adult does this you feel like you must have done something to deserve it. Or even though it makes you feel dirty and violated as a child you don't know how to express that. And when you do express that a parent or guardian often children are not believed or told they're lying.
*a social worker who is a professional in child sa, realizes her husband is a predator, does nothing but isolate and punish the young girl being abused*
Wow, I had no idea the younger daughter was such a crucial & important part to this case. She was 13 when the stabbing occurred, she fought her while the stabbing occurred, she was the most important witness to her dad's messed up actions after her mother's murder. It is INSANE how the dad was able to collect all that money, he didn't even attempt to fake things around his daughters. I'm so glad his daughter was so observant and caught on to every messed up thing her twisted father did. This is Such a sick and insane case...
@@Cosplay_anime1997 she caught on to what her step-dad did, it wasn't her bio dad. 12:20 it's mentioned she moved in with her bio dad shortly after losing her mom. the youngest girl was the bastard's one and only bio child
He took advantage of an already troubled girl that craved acceptance and love and made her do something so heinous. I'm so sad for all the little girls involved.
I cannot help but wonder how many of our children have ended up like this out of the shitty circumstances life hands them. How many have killed, stolen, assaulted just because life had not awarded them the belief that there was any other choice. I think Sabrina also understands that she deserves to be in jail, but I hope the people in her life understand how much a victim of circumstance she was too. And I hope they understand that she has changed.
@@senaeu i agree. and i personally feel like sabrina didn’t have much of an option on her and kevins relationship because he groomed her and threatened her if she told.
Kevin is completely despicable... When Lisa brought Sabrina home to take care of her, he probably only saw her as an object for his sick desires... He couldn't even keep a facade, not even for his grieving daughters, his wife was murdered and he just took the insurance money and spent it like he had won the lottery. They sure didn't deserve the same sentense, Sabrina was being groomed by Kevin, it was all his fault, he had her in his hands, coached her and manipulated her into doing his bidding...
This is one of the few times that I feel the killer is genuinely remorseful. Sabrina seems to feel the full weight of what she did. She’s not asking for leniency in the justice system, just forgiveness from what used to be her family. I don’t know that I could grant it, so I don’t blame the girls at all. It’s just an absolute tragedy all around. It’s too bad Lisa didn’t report that her daughter was being abused instead of being jealous of a child. She’d probably be alive today.
@@bewilderedwomenstravels6776 Oh i absolutely agree with that. I personally see the 'father' as far worse than her, and by NO means was lisa completely innocent. They were both abusive.
@@bewilderedwomenstravels6776 ur crazy, she tried to protect Sabrina by keeping Kevin away from her. She wasn't jealous and was even going to divorce him.
The regret in Sabrina’s voice in her interview is so genuine that you can feel it through the screen. I feel for her and i dont believe she deserves life, and her step father needs to rot. Poor girl. I understand being manipulated in a horrible place in my life so i definitely feel for her.
@@ThouSwell-zx3fdyou don't understand how sexual abuse and manipulation can absolutely warp the mind to make people do horrible things. there's so many examples of it, this is the most extreme ive ever seen.
Lisa didn’t deserve to die…but she betrayed Sabrina as well…she was the social worker and chose to stay with him..and isolate her as if she did something wrong..literally was going to just give her back
I hate so much that jealousy clouded Lisa’s better judgement. I’m in no way victim blaming; rather, I’m afraid many women may have had a similar response. But working in *that very field* and knowing he groomed her and then directing the anger toward the child in that scenario is so sad. Sabrina should’ve been protected, embraced and surrounded by family - not isolated and most importantly, Kevin should’ve been reported to the authorities because he’s a pedophile. I can’t imagine how hard this was for Lisa, she must’ve been absolutely devastated. Betrayal is the worst but what Kevin did is a whole different level of disgusting. Look at Megan, though! What a beautiful and brilliant young woman she’s turned into. Lisa would be so proud of her. I mean, I’m proud of her!
Honestly Meghan needs to get some really intense therapy if she's ever going to have a happy life. The level of bitterness and the hardness in her at her age is horrifying. I understand that what she's been through is more trauma than anyone should ever have to deal with but she needs to start dealing with it. Her mother was not a saint. She took in a vulnerable teenager and, rather than protect her when she found out that she was being SA'ed by her pedophile husband, she got jealous of her and locked her up, preventing her from finding help or at least comfort elsewhere. I'm not saying she deserved what happened, I'm saying Meghan needs to recognize that her mother was a fallable human, Sabrina was victimized, and holding on to all that rage is going to ruin her life. It's not hurting anyone but her. I really hope she gets some help. I wonder how the little one is doing.
It’s sickening she chose to protect that vile monster and put that child through further trauma and isolation. That child had put in so much work and effort just wanting love and acceptance in return and when she finally thought her wish had came through she was further and more violently abused, manipulated and then abandoned once again with isolation and jealousy. It’s so heartbreaking she never got a chance with that pos in her head. As a child/adolescent survivor of such horrific trauma I can’t imagine if being put through further pain and suffering at my absolute lowest
Not saying it was right, but maybe Lisa was in denial that it was actually happening in her home. Imagine being a social worker and realizing the man you're married to and love is possibly doing the same things as the people you've removed kids from. Plus, a lot of times, you're guilty by association. You don't commit any crimes or abuse, but you're treated the same as the one doing it because you're in the same home. Again, not saying it was right and there's no excuse at all for not reporting him if she suspected, but I imagine she may have been scared about being lumped in with him if she voiced concerns with dcf and risk her own kids being removed from her while hoping it wasn't true.
I am 100% convinced that if Lisa had lived, she indeed would have divorced Kevin. However, I don’t believe she would have reported him or made a police report. She would have shipped her “problem” off to another foster family. Lisa slept soundly in her bed at night while her husband was raping that poor child in the room over. Bunch of sickos.
This case shows that the BEST actions to take in suspected CSA is reporting it. If her foster mom reported the suspicions, she would be alive today. She wanted to try and manage it, which kept the two murderers in the home.
Exactly. It also shows how child abuse doesn’t just hurt the child, it also shapes the way the victim behaves towards others, thus creating more victims
I'm not blaming any one! However! I think it was the dont talk ! Don't touch don't feel rule is responsible for the unliving of the mom Wow pretty bad!
This i a really sad case. I will also add that here in Cleveland, DCFS is a huge mess. The kids are removed from home only to be put in worse homes. There are kids that were removed from their home and are now sleeping in the DCFS building downtown with no ssupervision. These kids get no help or redorection and no hope for reunification. The dcfs workers are all corrupt, and the whole dcfs needs to be revamped.
i feel like once kids enter the system, that's it, they're done. As we've seen with so many cases, they usually end up in worse situations and even dead.
There are so many terrible stories of parents having very young children removed for nothing other than a messy house, not dirty just messy. Only to lose that child to a judges family member or friend. Even going so far as to break protocol and have that baby adopted off within months while the case is still open. Then you have the risky fostering and state abuse. The point here is that we need to protect children with a collective agency but talking children from parents should be rare.
Here in Europe they remove kids from homes, and from the parents without an actual reason. Kids that are severely abused and mostly end up dead , in the hands of the biological parents, even after hundreds of rapports towards “cps” won’t get removed. It’s twisted and disgusting. They also make a bonus for every removed child. A few days ago a girl was found , chained in the house of the foster parents.
@@princesabonita79 I completely agree that the whole system is completely broken, but I think we need to remember that we don't hear about the stories that have a happy ending. But there's hundreds upon hundreds of them.
@@Lovedance5678Not saying she is in the right but it's easy for you to speak when you aren't put in a situation like this. What seems easy to say isn't easy to do.
"Sabrina betrayed Lisa" Lisa noticed her husband's behavior and her response was to ignore and isolate Sabrina from the family. She betrayed Sabrina long before Sabrina did anything to her.
Yes! It straight out sickens me that she knew her husband was sexually abusing that girl but then, on top of it, she was a caseworker... & in the sex abuse division! Would she have done the same if it was the daughter she birthed? Not report it, stay with the man & punish the child. Disgusting! No one should take in a child that they wouldn't treat the same as their birth children.
I don't understand how a grown woman can be jealous of a child. She was SA by the husband. I swear some women rather be with their man and not protect a child. I will never choose a man over my kids.
It's set uo thay way by the court system. If she wpuld have left he would have gotten no punishment. Sex crimes are a joke in courts and then he would have gotten custodial rights and then she would have lost everything the child would have continued to be abused and or literally fully with the child in a full relationship. All the way around she lost adnwould have lost and no reprocussion placed on him. Almost garanteed.
I think 90% of the women choose an abusive partner over their children. It's what you usually see in these cases on youtube. My mom did the same, many women love the drama, animals.
@@alexthedeal182790%? That’s ridiculous! Way too many do but no way the stats are that high. I remained single when my relationship broke down. My children deserved a parent that was fully committed and engaged with them. Have you thought about the amount of men that can walk out of their children’s lives and start a new life? Those stats would be pretty high.
@@rebeccahughes7766that’s because our entire government and system is run by pedophiles… hence the incremental changes both judicial and social to normalize this disgusting demonic practice
Rishro...of course everyone is focussed on Megan's testimony...but let's give more thought to little Hayley who barely gets a mention in this whole sordid horror story...Hayley lost her Biological Mother..and her Biological father is serving life for conspiracy in the Murder...at least Megan can go home to her real father and normality and stability..Hayley lost everyone..how that affects the child I can not imagine..
@@markianclark9645the only thing I can say is thanks. So many others feel for Lisa and Megan. And even to a very small feeling for Sabrina. That Hayley will never know a normal life. Ever. It's a valid point you brought up. My only thought are yes I feel for them both Megan and Hayley. May the good in life come to them. Nothing vut the best for them both. And again thanks for pointing out poor Hayley in all of this.
22:18 Sabrina was betrayed by Lisa first as a child under her care, as a foster parent and social worker. She was aware of the situation. It's extremely important for victims to not be blamed and it's beyond disappointing her foster mother kept her with this man
@AmandaabnamATotally agreed. It's so sad to see people in the comments are blaming Sabrina, when she was failed by everyone and knew nothing but abuse.
I feel so bad for most involved in this case. All except the husband. Yes, even Sabrina. I'm not saying it's right and she definitely deserves to be in prison for what she did. However, that monster, knew how to take advantage of and manipulate a young, vulnerable girl. She craved love and acceptance and he used that for his own sick ends. I wish she would have went more for the emotional attachment with Lisa as a mom than with that sicko. Things would have been so much different. I also wish she would have stopped either when Lisa was begging her to or when Megan was trying to stop her. It's just awful that those young girls had to witness that and will have to live with that image in their minds for the rest of their lives. It's possible that the little one has completely blocked it out but she still had to grow up without a mom. Megan will never be able to forget. Lisa did nothing but want to help kids in foster care and she lost her life, brutally because of it. Completely terrible 😞
I don’t believe Lisa deserves justice, but her daughter does. Lisa was keeping Sabrina as a sex slave, she knew her husband was SAing her but she didn’t do anything about it.
Thanks for the response guys, I didn't notice the puppy in the profile photo. I admit I initially thought the #Doge reference was an attempt at trolling. I was wrong and I apologise for any potential stress caused due to my understanding. HAGD
Megan is so strong, I cant imagine what it feels like to go through what she has but she carries herself and her mum's memory with great dignity and class
Tf are you on about? She literary restricted Sabrina from seeing her stepdad when it became clear, AND she was on her way to leave him! It’s pretty easy to sit there and judge after the fact huh?!
@@CursedCompass restricted, didn't get any legal action involved? You think stopping someone from seeing the other person would solve things? Which world do you live in 💀
@@brotherofthesouthNo it’s not easy as someone that was abused as child it’s disgusting that this wasn’t reported by adult that was educated in sexual abuse instead she punished the child that was being raped by her husband
Agreed. I think she should have reported what she knew immediately and allowed law enforcement to take over. She would surely have known she was far too closely involved to be trusting her own judgment.
The weird part is that Lisa didn't leave Kevin as soon as she found out that he was a sexual predator, and she kept the kids in the same house with him.
you can really tell how much this has affected both Sabrina and Megan. it's so awful. none of those girls deserved this, and i hope that Sabrina can be forgiven, and both of the girls can heal 🙏
I am disgusted by the groomer. But the deceased victim; damn, she had no business doing her day job. I want to think that, in her final moments, she finally figured it all out. "Each unhappy family is unhappy in its own way". And the wrap up? No, Sabrina did not betray Kevin; she just stopped betraying herself.
Just because she was a victim,let’s not forget that Lisa failed Sabrina too.How could she as a social worker not report what her husband was doing to a vulnerable child.I am in no way excusing the husband’s behaviour and people might disagree but I get a feeling that she put the stability of her life over a child being abused
Sabrina had never known what real love is. She committed a crime and repented for it, and destroyed so many lives in the process, but shes also a victim herself. If someone had just shown ans taught her what love is, she wouldn't have committed a crime she would later regret. She's no psychopath with murderous tendencies, just a terribly lost soul. I pray for healing for everyone who suffered due to the evil act of one individual. 😢
The only person in this situation that I do NOT feel sorry for is the Father. Megan and her sister have lost their Mother, and will have to live with the trauma of what they witnessed, and living without their Mother, for the rest of their lives. But I also feel so badly for Sabrina, and I feel like her remorse is genuine. She realizes what a horrific thing she did, and will have to live with that for the rest of her life. That said, I certainly understand why Megan can't forgive Sabrina. As a society, we insist on "turning the other cheek" way too much. Megan has been through a nightmare situation, and has no reason to forgive. She has taken her trauma and turned it into her strength, to help others, and become a strong young woman in her own right. Even if she understands the reasons for why Sabrina did what she did, even if she understands that Sabrina is genuinely sorry for what happened, it's within her own rights to deny forgiveness. Sabrina will not only need to be remorseful for her actions, but she will need to understand that Megan can't forgive her for it. That's a very hard pill to swallow. She has to live with her actions for the rest of her life, and recognize that some things just can't be undone.
Unfortunately Megan has to put some of the blame on her mother. when her mother found out what the pedo was doing to her forster child, she did nothing about it. She decided to keep it quiet and keep that girl in that house until she graduated high school her and the pedo made that decision. Lisa also decided to stop Sabrina from interacting with her forster sisters I suppose as punishment for sleeping with her husband. All of the decisions she made after finding out what her husband was doing to Sabrina!
If a foster mother notices her husband grooming their foster or adopted daughter, she should speak with the girl and report the situation to social services and the police without the husband's knowledge in order to remove the husband before he further manipulates and harms the girl. But I realize how difficult it is to empathize with a girl you cared for just to betray you.
@@jfoetidnwo56 However, seeking assistance in defending yourself and your daughter against the groomer by getting a restraining order against him is legitimate, as is seeking help from the police if you feel he would harm you if he knew you had filed a restraining order. If you don't stop a husband, boyfriend, or lover from abusing your child, even if it means leaving or causing him to leave, you might as well let it happen. I'm not blaming the victim; she may had a reason to act the way she did. However, I believe that moms, in general, should take action, even if it means separating their families from the father.
That girl didn't betray her foster mother. Not when that waste of oxygen touched her, not when that piece of garbage had sex with her, not even when that no-account walking pile of dog diarrhea guilted and conned her into committing murder. I know you don't understand how grooming works, so it probably DOES look like betrayal to you. That woman was a sex abuse "expert" and damn well DID. She allowed her ego and her feelings to override her training and her knowledge. That not only cost HER her life, but it cost her daughter her peace and a portion of her heart, and it cost this girl her freedom, her safety and her future. Call it victim blaming if you'd like to. I personally don't think that being realistic with the facts qualifies, but I don't care if it does.
It isn't a betrayal for a child to be abused. She (the mother) should have gotten her out of the house immediately upon realizing he was sexually abusing her-or, considering he was living there with her two daughters as well, gotten HIM out of the house. Blaming the child victim in the situation is NEVER the takeaway. Sincerely, a CSA survivor. (Edit: edited for clarity.)
This case is just sad. Sabrina was taken advantage of and is clearly remorseful. She understands that her foster sisters may never forgive her. Sabrina was just a child who needed and wanted to be loved and it should have never ended up this way. I’m glad Megan is working to help others and bring criminals to justice. I think it’s insane though this happened in Ohio and I never heard of it. I’ve driven past Dayton Correctional so many times and never knew Sabrina was in there.
In this case it's probably sabrina who manipulated her friend into thinking what she's gonna do is right and have no other option. She might have made her friend emotional telling her struggles and her own problems and as a close friend of sabrina, her friend decided to understand her problems and didn't care to stop her. But still who the hell keeps his/her mouth shut when things have escalated this much and doesn't try to stop them or call the cops. People should have at least this level of emotional intelligence to decipher whats wrong and what's not. Considering they aren't 2 Y/O they should have that much of maturity. Even her younger sister had more maturity and emotional intelligence. I literally feel the same what you feel about such dumb people.
@@HPY07 right… nobody should be able to be ‘manipulated’ into agreeing with murder 🤦♂️ and agreed, 16 is a kid but it’s not even remotely a little kid. They know murder is wrong, that’s pretty basic.
@@OscarLangleySoryu yeah exactly dude it's understandable if a kid says to his friend my parents don't understand me and what not with exaggeration trying to manipulate the friend for what he's demanding basically a new bicycle is right and true according to him/her otherwise he will not talk to his parents but it's a thing of murder right here and 16 is more than enough to understand that it's a hell of a crime. People be lackin' some common sense fr bruh!
This is so nitpicky in the grand scheme of things but I hate how the cops somehow think that _getting pulled into a police station for questioning over a murder_ isn't also incredibly anxiety inducing for people who are innocent.
I hated how he was like "the first thing she did was scratch her forehead" or whatever, so that means she's lying. I get itches on my head/face all day so apparently I must be a huge liar lol.
@@deadbythirty4254 First of all that's deliberately not how the law works, and second of all, if my family member was murdered I wouldn't want the police dicking around with body language pseudoscience instead of sticking to the hard facts of the case.
@@ville666sora No seriously, the actual facts of body language and how complicated it can be has been completely over shadowed by pseudoscientific bullshit that hurts people and wastes everyone's time.
😮🤔🫣 The irony in him telling that girl, he couldn't do it, because his daughter would lose both parents, if he was caught. But in his next breath, tell her to do it, because she wouldn't, wasn't lost on me.
Why didn’t Lisa do anything if she knew her husband was abusing the child? Instead she just punished the child. She shouldn’t have been so selfish as to protect a child molester. Even if it’s her husband. It killed her.
@bewilderedwomenstravels6776 Yeah it was the victims fault she was BRUTALLY stabbed by the foster daughter she took on board to try to provide her with a loving family/home?!?!?! Oh pls.. talk about victim blaming What’s wrong with u ppl? We don’t even know this happened, just from others perspectives but she can’t defend herself as she’s DEAD! How was she to prove her suspicions? My guess is she didn’t want to believe it but suspected it, and no doubt was likely gaslit into thinking otherwise. She probably was told she was just being paranoid due to her daily job..
@@FrankskinOrweed-ep4ij the matter wouldn't have escalated to this point if Lisa would have taken proper measures beforehand. She knew what her husband was doing yet she only blamed sabrina and punished her. Isn't that Victim Blaming??? Isn't Lisa blaming Sabrina for her husband's deeds?? What about that?? Planing to divorce isn't the solution, you brought that child into your house so it is solely your responsibility to take care of her, especially when that child already had a troubled past. If Lisa would have taken actions then all of these could have been prevented. So, yeah if we are blaming Lisa is regarded as victim blaming then what lisa did was also Victim blaming
@@FrankskinOrweed-ep4ijyes we are victim blaming because the victim escalated the situation. Even if that wasn’t her intention, she still escalated it. We aren’t doing this to be malicious. We are simply acknowledging the victim made some mistakes which costed her own life. Yes it’s sad, but we can’t lie to ourselves that the victim did nothing wrong like you’re Trynna do
Sabrina shiuld not have been given liflfe in prison. She was a child who was used, manipulated, and abused. She was also a victim. Thats not to say she shiuldnt serve a sentence, she did what she did, but life is way too long.
Same. Especially because Lisa did literally nothing to get her husband to stop r*ping her. Honestly the "she just wanted to help people" line at the end made me nauseous knowing her response to her husband being a predator was to isolate the victim and let the predator makes decisions about the victim. Gross. That man would have been out of my house instantly or she'd have been, I'd have called the phone company for txt records, I'd have reported my suspicions. I'm not saying she deserved death for that mistake or anything but she 100% made her bed as well and this treating her like a perfect victim at the expense of the CHILD she let get SAed repeatedly is terrible.
she's eligible for parole in 2042, when she will be 48. Depending on varying state laws, life can mean 10-30 years or more, unless it specifies life without parole. 10 is usually a minimum reserved for minors though.
Especially with how he carried on after and trying to visit her. I pray the parole board has mercy on her. And she's able to live some type of life. I hope she can heal during this time and can prove everyone wrong. She was worth having a life!
The thing is the lady knew he was abusing her so she had a duty of care to remove either her husband or her foster daughter, to say she did nothing but help others in her life is rubbish she didn’t report anything she let this poor young girl get abused by her husband she is not the victim
She seemed more like she viewed the abuse of their foster child as her husband cheating and got jealous. She didn't deserve to be murdered, but the fact that she knew what he was doing to Sabrina and she didn't call the authorities, but instead chose to isolate Sabrina from the rest of the family, speaks volumes about who she was as a person.
Lisa was a murder victim who didn't respond promptly to a super toxic family situation. Obviously she didn't deserve to die. Her daughters have suffered all these years from witnessing the attack and not having their mom by their side. They certainly didn't deserve to lose her.
@@sarahevanson-isaac7237"didn’t respond promptly" she let a child get sexually abused until she was the victim of murder. I’m not saying she’s at all to blame nor does she deserve to die but she had it coming.
She's still a minor today so she probably can't be shown or doesn't want to, nor was she old enough to remember to be included in this as it's specifically about the murder and not life after
Kevin managed to groom/SA Sabrina for years, managed to make Sabrina go from the victim in this situation to the ab*ser by making her k!ll his wife infront of her daughter and he almost got away with it too bc Sabrina kept quiet for some time. Gross. I really wish Megan all the best and healing. I can never imagine having to go through all of that at the hands of your stepdad and someone you consider your “big sister”. This case is a perfect example of how a whole family became a victim basically bc of one person.
Bro. I disagree with the prosecutor it's not a perfect circle of betrayal. Sabrina did not betray Kevin. There is no betrayal when she didn't owe him a damn thing.
I rarely believe apologies that murderers give to the victim's family, but somehow Sabrina's apologies strike me as genuine. She is taking accountability, doesn't play the victim and speaks about what she's done. She believes in her sentence, even if it is poor justice to the victim's family. I think deep down, Sabrina is a good person, but being young and groomed and manipulated, she became a monster who would do such horrible things. Sad. At least Kevin was also caught and sentenced too.
I believe the samething. She was groomed. She didn’t have a family growing up. She didn’t know what love was or what a healthy parent - child relationship was like.
I personally think it was more a feeling of betrayal that the girl she took off in and made part of the family would do such a thing. But either way you're right, if she'd gotten Sabrina help for SA from her husband and maybe went to the police about it, this situation wouldn't of happened.
Again how did she betray her when she was so obviously targeted & groomed by the husband so the foster mom in fzct shoukd of done much more@@kingmary2268
@@kaleido457 she didn't have a choice in the assault but she did after. I was a child of SA and I spoke up immediately and told on the person the second i could. So others wouldn't be hurt in the same manner. I didn't plot with him to kill my mother and one loving caregiver. Yes of course he tried to manipulate my child mind and whats more is i was much much much younger than her, but we all still know not to murder. I chose to tell and not murder anyone. My mom was less than helpful, she didn't get me any help or even talk to me about it....still decided to not murder.
@@kingmary2268 Not everyone is able to speak out against their abuser. Especially as a child. On top of that, Lisa herself didn't help protect Sabrina. She isolated her and didn't report the abuse. You're blaming a child for not reporting her abusive stepfather. Shame on you.
Lisa is unfortunately the one to blame here. She was a social worker if you suspect sexual abuse you must report it is your duty under law. No matter who it is and even if and especially if it's your husband. It's disgusting that she didn't leave him immediately and take Sabrina with her when she found out or even suspected anything.
@@lamortexotiqueyou don't have to be so mean. Everyone has different triggers when they see this kind of news. Be a bit more compassionate even if it's online communication😔
@@annalisa4558I’m sorry you suffered in your past because you didn’t deserve that. But in that same breath, you should be able to understand how being abused changes you, especially when it’s repeatedly as a child. She was 18 and while that’s legally an adult, she had no proper guidance up until that point on what’s an appropriate loving relationship between children and their parents. Nobody is saying she was right, but we ARE saying we understand how she got to this point. 18 is still extremely young and impressionable. You’d think you would have some more sympathy for someone who ultimately was failed repeatedly by every single adult in her life considering you claim you were as well.
What I love about this channel is its to the point. Short videos showing all the facts, filled with empathy and understanding for all the victims in these cases. Well done unseen, in giving these precious people a voice.
I feel hurt that Sabrina never got what she wanted. She wanted a loving home and got s3xu@lly abused by her father and groomed to killing the one personally who tried to give her love. And the justice system failed her. And now Sabrina getting shamed when manipulated into a situation. Kevin is a disgusting excuse of a man. Having hurt who was to be his child. And he took what Sabrina never got and used it against her twisted it to where she believed SA was love and the only way to have that was to hurt the only person who wanted to love her. This case is just hurtful not only for Sabrina but her sister it hurts seeing how Sabrina in the end never got what she needed. Love and help. Rip Lisa.
I really feel for Sabrina. She was still basically a child with a history of abuse who was manipulated by a predatory adult. It doesn't excuse her actions but I do feel for her.
This young woman, who was an abused child, was 100% manipulated, taken advantage of by a sad excuse of a parental figure is a victim too! How she received life in prison is an absolute failure and the worst travesty of justice I've ever seen!!! What in the Actual F?! How did this happen?! MAJOR FAILURE OF JUSTICE FOR A VULNERABLE CHILD!!! I'm disgusted!
I AGREE. She needed rehabilitation so she could be reintegrated into society. Instead, she got abused and then thrown in jail because she was a victim.
I waited to watch this until I had seen every other episode on UNSEEN... BC I've seen it over and over on other channels. However, THIS was done SO much better. UNSEEN is my new favorite channel, you rock!!! THANK YOU for the hard work and HEART you guys put into everything!
What a sad case , that sick monster , and when cops went to arrest him he was sleeping in Sabrina's room , what a sico . They both were wrong so they deserve jail time
True. Yet she was tried as an adult despite being a manipulated and abused child, and ended up getting the same sentence as the mastermind. That is messed up.
@@AHMADKIOSK a man who was supposed to be a father figure to an abused girl got into her pants and into her head to manipulate her. She was a victim to gaslighting that was beyond her understanding
@@AHMADKIOSKabsolute was. Maybe even more than Lisa. Sabrina was a child, thinking like a child, abused like a child. Lisa KNEW she was being abused, and didn’t report her husband. Lisa was not only an adult, she was a mandated reporter. She was jealous and let it cloud her vision, and it cost her her life.
Beyond being shocked at the father, I am so stunned and surprised the mother who specializes in sexual abuse cases decided it was the SMART maneuver to not only NOT report her pedophilic and grooming husband, but to further isolate sabrina from her support system (lisa and her sisters). Before people get outraged about 'badmouthing the dead' or 'victim blaming'-- it was genuinely bad parenting and gross negligence to allow a pedophile to remain in the same house as the girl he is already assaulting. But to have a background in cases like it-- I am beyond baffled at her response. Maybe it was due to the shock and horror of living under the same roof as this kind of man, or raising so many young girls around him and worrying about them seeing, or maybe it was disgust and shame that she was married to such a creep that kept her silent but... Wow.
This... Was probably one of the worst cases I ever heard of, it's downright unbelieveable how depraved and hellish it is. I'm angry, I'm frustrated, I'm sad, I'm absolutely flabbergasted. How can someone instigate this, how can someone go along with this, how evil do you have to be to even consider this. It just doesn't compute.
not to defend sabrina but the parents were both awful, if you know your husband is taking advantage of your foster daughter you dont isolate and become strict on her? she was punished for being abused. So yeah Lisa was not innocent, not as bad as the "dad" but she was a pos
I appreciate your content, your respect for the victims and the way you adopt the victims' and family's point if view instead of being fascinated by the murderer's acts and behavior. I'm French and was struck when I realized the family's lived in Chagrin Drive. Chagrin is the French word for "sorrow" and it IS exactly that. So much sorrow both for Lisa's children and relatives and for this young 18-year-old woman who was psychologically abused and instrumentalized by her foster father and whose life is shattered too, as a result.
its easy to do because all they did was take apart an already produced documentary on the subject and piece it together differently so they can act like it was their own video
Lisa wasn’t a great social worker if she thought keeping this girl when her husband was SAing her was a great idea. I’m sorry it’s just the truth. It’s unfortunate that this lapse in judgement ended up in taking her life.
I don’t think it was a lapse in judgement. I think it was her trying to figure out how to facilitate that without escalating it and putting her as and the girls in danger. I think she rightly feared her husband and sadly ran out of time to get the best of him first.
I was thinking the same thing. It's a tragedy for Lisa and the girls, no doubt. The thing is, why would she keep Sabrina with them? She should have had Sabrina removed from the home immediately. She kept her and isolated her from the rest of the family. How was this supposed to help? It's all a tragic story. Kevin is a monster, and Sabrina is where she needs to be sadly.
@admirallily bs!!! It's literally her fkn job to protect children. Her ego, and her fear if living her job was more important to her. Btch. Sabrina should be released. 0 sympathy for Lisa
The probable reason for why Lisa separated Sabrina from her sisters during her suspicions is that children who are survivors of childhood sexual trauma can become predators. I have seen it in several cases, where children who are exposed to that kind of abuse very early will prey upon other children. I think it was a wise precaution to take in most situations, but obviously Sabrina was too far gone. What a horrible situation. Kevin is responsible for so much harm.
sabrina needs to be in a mental health home, not jail she was a child and she was manipulated. she was also a victim she needs help she was dealt a bad hand since birth.
First time I have seen this channel. Very impressed with the professional documentary style video. Very informative. Such a messed up situation all round!
I feel so bad for Megan. But i also feel so awful for Sabrina... being manipulated like that, and absolutely regretting it to her core, and knowing nothing can ammend her for what she did, losing her whole support system over a tragic mistake... God i just want to give her a hug... i hope that father rots in hell!
Yeah she was groomed and Lisa didn’t really do anything about it, now did she?! The only victim is this girl who was groomed. And the other kids, left without parents.
It's so difficult to hear the word passed when someone's been murdered or committed suicide. It's unnatural to me. I hope the 2 sisters can heal. They didn't talk about the youngest much but I hope she and Megan can heal from this.
This situation is weird. The mom doesnt do anything to protect the girl except isolate her. And the sisters dont seem to acknowledge that she was a victim as well because she was being groomed
There's not enough time in this video spent on how the mother knew what was happening and actually made it even worse. As the "helper" she was... to punish the abused teenager for being abused by her own husband.... Come on now.... That's not total innocence.
ewu and the villians and beyond evil are soo sooooo much better. this is a good one too, but quite often they arnt making their own video, they piece together footage from documenteries and news feeds, only adding the bare minimum of customized scripts. not to mention the horrible AI generated captions in most of the videos
Good on Mr. Strunk for outing his "best friend." If someone you love does something wrong, it can be hard to do the right thing. Granted, this was downright evil.
Lisa is not innocent in this. She protected Kevin, the rapist, from the authorities and segregated Sabrina from Megan, so she had no one to talk to about the abuse. Lisa is complicit in Sabrina's abuse
Sabrina is a victim. He groomed her to murder, just as he did to control her sexually. And that was by putting her back in foster care or on the streets. Foster children are the most vulnerable. She shows absolute remorse and admitted everything with her own life on the line. Not hiding anything anymore. Surely, she was interviewed by male investigators, even during the proffer, and she most likely being sexually and physically abused since a young child. She has known nothing more but submission or the worst. She was the perfect target to do anything he wanted. The sister, I understand her pain, but being in criminal justice in college, she should understand the background and take into account every detail of a teenage child who had been subjected to such atrocities prior to being placed there and that this man preyed upon her to this extent. She was a child in the foster care system who was taken out of trauma only to be introduced to more trauma. She plead guilty and will spend the rest of her life and it truly is not her fault and she does seem truly remorseful. She lives in misery everyday and blames herself. It was that grown mans fault.
I have lost my twin, younger sister, and son. Each I deal with differently on who played what parts. For my younger sister, dying at 23, funeral on 24th birthday, is a hard one. She left behind a two and four year old. The drunk driver showed no remorse. His family paid his bail and he spent 2 days in jail after only a broken leg. After, he was seen in a bar drinking with his leg propped up. Broke conditions of bond numerous times, on camera the girlfriend and mother breathing into a breathalyzer. He was speeding a 100+ miles extremely intoxicated and my sister died instantly, such a forceful impact her seatbelt couldn't save her, it was shattered, thrown in the floorboard in fetal position with a piece of metal through her chest severing one of the two main arteries. I do hope she died instantly. He did not want to accept a plea deal. Therefore three years after we went through a trial for a week listening to details loved ones and I can never unheard. My parents having to walk out with the photos of her body taken out with the jaws of life, the medical examiner explaining every detail of the autopsy, first responders, officers, even the head of ER arguing with the defense in respect to my sister and the injuries sustained on another victim, surviving barely, and barely to this day. He received 2 years for my sister and 10 years probation for the survivor, in which the judge reduced to 5. The attorneys and judge had a history and the jury bought their charm hook line and sinker. Now he advocates for prisoners rights. Never mentioning what he did. But with that this is the first time I have thought about him. And I find him more a killer than this young teenage girl.
being a social worker and knowing your adoptive daughter is being groomed and not saying SHIT is WICKED work sabrina is a victim in this as well that man is evil. rot.
As a supplement, a detailed analysis of the photo at 0:28. Look at Sabrina's pose. She is cuddling up to her foster father. Her hand is stemmed on her hip. A gesture of dominance. Her gaze is challenging, her smile triumphant. Compare that with the pose and the facial expression of the older biological daughter; completely different. The foster mum Lisa must have noticed it and should have been warned. You can't miss it.
The guy is pure evil! Took a mother from her children and also ruined that girl's life for his own sexual desires. Sickening!
She ruined her own life. 17 is more than old enough to know that you don't effing MURDER people!
And don't forget the money.
Honestly the girl yes did murder her but was manipulated her charges should have been lessoned she was devastated by what she did she deserves a second chance at life
Sexual and financial.
It's a shame the life insurance company couldn't call please and say policies have been changed and the wife is now worth so much money when I'm just a truck driver. Especially because when you set up insurance, we look at everybody's contributions to the household.
Some people that murder for life insurance have insurance through other companies. But this seems to be from what they've said one company.
We all want to make sure our kids have college funds or whatever. But it's so unusual in my thinking that a truck driver would want this. Especially if he's concerned enough that the family be cared for. You would think he would make sure his insurance is in place and quadrupled or whatever
@@insanitycompromiseentertai7665I agree 100%. To me it wouldn't matter if that was her birth mother or Foster mom.
How hard would it be to manipulate a child that's never known any great stability? And then you twist things even more in her mind by making it a sexual relationship. I would bet money this child is probably been molested sexuality before. But even if not, she was still a child that doesn't know a normal family dynamic.
Most of us grow up and it never occurs to us that we would be taken away from the family we live with. Not to say parents don't divorce and things are divided. But when you have something like that looming over you I can't imagine what this kid must have felt.
Poor Megan. She fought for her mom and lost. I couldn’t imagine what she must have gone through everyday since then.
@@byewhobayou8868 Fr.
and relaizing all this time she was living with a monster of a "father"...
after many years though, I know she will never forgive brie, but I hope she will also understand that Sabrinna was also a victim of this.
@@LucyFerr000
Its been many years. I don't think it will happen unless she has her own child and then sees the damage to her foster sister.
I can't blame her for her feelings because she watched it happen.
When a child takes responsibility and shows such remorse that says so much.
What’s sad for me is that this whole time Sabrina probably didn’t know she was being abused. Since she never had a proper family she probably thought what “love” her foster dad gave her was what a normal family was supposed to do to her.
Absolutely, the dad abused his position and probably left her broken for the rest of her life.
Yes and she was abused by both parents. Isolating a child because of a grooming husband us also abusive.
Doesnt make it okay in anyway whatsoever still..
It’s so sad😢😢😢😢😢😢 all the way around. !
When you're a child you don't know because you're taught adults are good and are the authority. So when an adult does this you feel like you must have done something to deserve it. Or even though it makes you feel dirty and violated as a child you don't know how to express that. And when you do express that a parent or guardian often children are not believed or told they're lying.
@@user56gghtf exactly!!
*a social worker who is a professional in child sa, realizes her husband is a predator, does nothing but isolate and punish the young girl being abused*
This
THIS PART. I’m not trying to victim blame but what did she think she was doing??? She needed to report her husband not cover for him!!
@@eliza6971 true but you won’t understand
Tf you mean you wont understand theres nothing to understand?@Therealfloralzone
@@EnvyM3e they don’t understand the feeling of not being able to report stop being rude
The father is the common denominator in this entire situation. What a vile evil individual
It's always men
@@mimi.w667so why are all those female murderers on death row? Why are there thousands of women on the sex offender registry?
@mimi.w667 keep living ur fantasy. U got no idea
@@ChristopherDwigginsstatistics say it’s 95% men and 5% women. so it’s not a dream it’s real
@@mimi.w667 Be glad you never met my grandmother, lol.
Wow, I had no idea the younger daughter was such a crucial & important part to this case. She was 13 when the stabbing occurred, she fought her while the stabbing occurred, she was the most important witness to her dad's messed up actions after her mother's murder. It is INSANE how the dad was able to collect all that money, he didn't even attempt to fake things around his daughters. I'm so glad his daughter was so observant and caught on to every messed up thing her twisted father did. This is Such a sick and insane case...
You mean her step father
@ariawilliams7422 the dad have 2 other daughters, one of them caught on what her dad did
@@Cosplay_anime1997 she caught on to what her step-dad did, it wasn't her bio dad. 12:20 it's mentioned she moved in with her bio dad shortly after losing her mom. the youngest girl was the bastard's one and only bio child
He took advantage of an already troubled girl that craved acceptance and love and made her do something so heinous. I'm so sad for all the little girls involved.
I understand that Sabrina deserves to be in jail and she did very wrong, but I do feel bad for her. She was failed so badly
I cannot help but wonder how many of our children have ended up like this out of the shitty circumstances life hands them. How many have killed, stolen, assaulted just because life had not awarded them the belief that there was any other choice. I think Sabrina also understands that she deserves to be in jail, but I hope the people in her life understand how much a victim of circumstance she was too. And I hope they understand that she has changed.
heart out to the adoptive mother, but at the same time isolation was definitely a mistake :(
I dont think she deserves lufe in jail. Not one bit. That mother of hers let her be groomed, molested.
@@senaeu i agree. and i personally feel like sabrina didn’t have much of an option on her and kevins relationship because he groomed her and threatened her if she told.
@@RainbowPandaProducti yes!
That “father” was so freaking evil.
Absolutely, groomed her to do his bidding.
Yea
And not very smart.
FR
And, god, what a buffoon
Kevin is completely despicable... When Lisa brought Sabrina home to take care of her, he probably only saw her as an object for his sick desires... He couldn't even keep a facade, not even for his grieving daughters, his wife was murdered and he just took the insurance money and spent it like he had won the lottery.
They sure didn't deserve the same sentense, Sabrina was being groomed by Kevin, it was all his fault, he had her in his hands, coached her and manipulated her into doing his bidding...
That's exactly how I felt, too. So damn upsetting.
Agreed!
This was not justice!
This is one of the few times that I feel the killer is genuinely remorseful. Sabrina seems to feel the full weight of what she did. She’s not asking for leniency in the justice system, just forgiveness from what used to be her family.
I don’t know that I could grant it, so I don’t blame the girls at all. It’s just an absolute tragedy all around.
It’s too bad Lisa didn’t report that her daughter was being abused instead of being jealous of a child. She’d probably be alive today.
Lisa is as culpable as that molester. I feel 0 sympathy for lisa. Sabrina should not be in jail. Period.
@@bewilderedwomenstravels6776 i mightve missed something, but what did lisa do? Other than immediately removing sabrina from the situation
@@joecalamari. she let the abuse continue, did not fkn report it, and then ISOLATED Sabrina, as if she's the bad one
@@bewilderedwomenstravels6776 Oh i absolutely agree with that. I personally see the 'father' as far worse than her, and by NO means was lisa completely innocent. They were both abusive.
@@bewilderedwomenstravels6776 ur crazy, she tried to protect Sabrina by keeping Kevin away from her. She wasn't jealous and was even going to divorce him.
The regret in Sabrina’s voice in her interview is so genuine that you can feel it through the screen. I feel for her and i dont believe she deserves life, and her step father needs to rot. Poor girl. I understand being manipulated in a horrible place in my life so i definitely feel for her.
She knew murder was wrong though. Even my five year old child knows that.
@@ThouSwell-zx3fdThats not the point…
@@ThouSwell-zx3fdyou don't understand how sexual abuse and manipulation can absolutely warp the mind to make people do horrible things. there's so many examples of it, this is the most extreme ive ever seen.
She did, but sexual abuse can scar someone. Meaning they go crazy, so they can kill unknowingly as they go crazy. @@ThouSwell-zx3fd
I still kind of agree, as the kid in the scene was scared ;still has flashbacks from it, which is NOT nice to have.@@ThouSwell-zx3fd
The father in this case is the fucking devil.
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I feel its such a tragedy. How can a person be such a monster…
He is made for hell
Honestly. The nerve of him to use an emotionally vulnerable teenager as a murder weapon is appalling.
Lisa didn’t deserve to die…but she betrayed Sabrina as well…she was the social worker and chose to stay with him..and isolate her as if she did something wrong..literally was going to just give her back
Yeah that part was weird to me like your mad at her cause ur husband was a sicko
The "divorce him and send her back to the foster care system" part was wierd, i was like What do you mean send HER back? What did she do?
The "divorce him and send her back to the foster care system" part was wierd, i was like What do you mean send HER back? What did she do?
@@ImPolish_maybe because she would have lost custody anyway( I don't know American law but...)
@@flyingmind3890 Yeah but then they lost custody and sendig her back is cruel, shes gonna think its her fault and they dont want her
I hate so much that jealousy clouded Lisa’s better judgement. I’m in no way victim blaming; rather, I’m afraid many women may have had a similar response. But working in *that very field* and knowing he groomed her and then directing the anger toward the child in that scenario is so sad.
Sabrina should’ve been protected, embraced and surrounded by family - not isolated and most importantly, Kevin should’ve been reported to the authorities because he’s a pedophile.
I can’t imagine how hard this was for Lisa, she must’ve been absolutely devastated. Betrayal is the worst but what Kevin did is a whole different level of disgusting.
Look at Megan, though! What a beautiful and brilliant young woman she’s turned into. Lisa would be so proud of her. I mean, I’m proud of her!
I completely agree. Instead of being jealous of a naive teenager, she should of take a different approach and turn her anger to her husband.
Honestly Meghan needs to get some really intense therapy if she's ever going to have a happy life. The level of bitterness and the hardness in her at her age is horrifying. I understand that what she's been through is more trauma than anyone should ever have to deal with but she needs to start dealing with it. Her mother was not a saint. She took in a vulnerable teenager and, rather than protect her when she found out that she was being SA'ed by her pedophile husband, she got jealous of her and locked her up, preventing her from finding help or at least comfort elsewhere. I'm not saying she deserved what happened, I'm saying Meghan needs to recognize that her mother was a fallable human, Sabrina was victimized, and holding on to all that rage is going to ruin her life. It's not hurting anyone but her. I really hope she gets some help.
I wonder how the little one is doing.
It’s sickening she chose to protect that vile monster and put that child through further trauma and isolation. That child had put in so much work and effort just wanting love and acceptance in return and when she finally thought her wish had came through she was further and more violently abused, manipulated and then abandoned once again with isolation and jealousy. It’s so heartbreaking she never got a chance with that pos in her head. As a child/adolescent survivor of such horrific trauma I can’t imagine if being put through further pain and suffering at my absolute lowest
Not saying it was right, but maybe Lisa was in denial that it was actually happening in her home. Imagine being a social worker and realizing the man you're married to and love is possibly doing the same things as the people you've removed kids from. Plus, a lot of times, you're guilty by association. You don't commit any crimes or abuse, but you're treated the same as the one doing it because you're in the same home. Again, not saying it was right and there's no excuse at all for not reporting him if she suspected, but I imagine she may have been scared about being lumped in with him if she voiced concerns with dcf and risk her own kids being removed from her while hoping it wasn't true.
I am 100% convinced that if Lisa had lived, she indeed would have divorced Kevin. However, I don’t believe she would have reported him or made a police report. She would have shipped her “problem” off to another foster family. Lisa slept soundly in her bed at night while her husband was raping that poor child in the room over. Bunch of sickos.
This case shows that the BEST actions to take in suspected CSA is reporting it. If her foster mom reported the suspicions, she would be alive today. She wanted to try and manage it, which kept the two murderers in the home.
Did you just blame the mother for being murdered
@@fearlessEmi mean she's also not innocent in all of this
@@fearlessEm also blamed Sabrina.....
Exactly. It also shows how child abuse doesn’t just hurt the child, it also shapes the way the victim behaves towards others, thus creating more victims
I'm not blaming any one! However! I think it was the dont talk ! Don't touch don't feel rule is responsible for the unliving of the mom
Wow pretty bad!
This i a really sad case. I will also add that here in Cleveland, DCFS is a huge mess. The kids are removed from home only to be put in worse homes. There are kids that were removed from their home and are now sleeping in the DCFS building downtown with no ssupervision. These kids get no help or redorection and no hope for reunification. The dcfs workers are all corrupt, and the whole dcfs needs to be revamped.
i feel like once kids enter the system, that's it, they're done. As we've seen with so many cases, they usually end up in worse situations and even dead.
There are so many terrible stories of parents having very young children removed for nothing other than a messy house, not dirty just messy. Only to lose that child to a judges family member or friend. Even going so far as to break protocol and have that baby adopted off within months while the case is still open.
Then you have the risky fostering and state abuse. The point here is that we need to protect children with a collective agency but talking children from parents should be rare.
Ohio CPS in general is a shitstain on the state.
Here in Europe they remove kids from homes, and from the parents without an actual reason. Kids that are severely abused and mostly end up dead , in the hands of the biological parents, even after hundreds of rapports towards “cps” won’t get removed. It’s twisted and disgusting. They also make a bonus for every removed child. A few days ago a girl was found , chained in the house of the foster parents.
@@princesabonita79 I completely agree that the whole system is completely broken, but I think we need to remember that we don't hear about the stories that have a happy ending. But there's hundreds upon hundreds of them.
Sabrina was a victim of her surroundings. I am not saying she shouldn't be where she is, but life did fail her.
People failed her,not life! People at every level
She failed herself. She didn't have to choose violence.
That doesn't mean you kill someone who is trying to help you in your life. It was a selfish childish thing to do
@@Lovedance5678 100% true
@@Lovedance5678Not saying she is in the right but it's easy for you to speak when you aren't put in a situation like this.
What seems easy to say isn't easy to do.
"Sabrina betrayed Lisa" Lisa noticed her husband's behavior and her response was to ignore and isolate Sabrina from the family. She betrayed Sabrina long before Sabrina did anything to her.
Yes! It straight out sickens me that she knew her husband was sexually abusing that girl but then, on top of it, she was a caseworker... & in the sex abuse division! Would she have done the same if it was the daughter she birthed? Not report it, stay with the man & punish the child. Disgusting! No one should take in a child that they wouldn't treat the same as their birth children.
I don't understand how a grown woman can be jealous of a child. She was SA by the husband. I swear some women rather be with their man and not protect a child. I will never choose a man over my kids.
Narcssism READ about that
It's set uo thay way by the court system. If she wpuld have left he would have gotten no punishment. Sex crimes are a joke in courts and then he would have gotten custodial rights and then she would have lost everything the child would have continued to be abused and or literally fully with the child in a full relationship.
All the way around she lost adnwould have lost and no reprocussion placed on him. Almost garanteed.
I think 90% of the women choose an abusive partner over their children. It's what you usually see in these cases on youtube. My mom did the same, many women love the drama, animals.
@@alexthedeal182790%? That’s ridiculous! Way too many do but no way the stats are that high. I remained single when my relationship broke down. My children deserved a parent that was fully committed and engaged with them. Have you thought about the amount of men that can walk out of their children’s lives and start a new life? Those stats would be pretty high.
@@rebeccahughes7766that’s because our entire government and system is run by pedophiles… hence the incremental changes both judicial and social to normalize this disgusting demonic practice
why is it so hard for grown people to just leave children alone?😐😐
I'll never understand it either
Men
@@Bsskhwvsh That's a not an excuse
@@That_KittyGirL ?
@@Bsskhwvsh Being a man is not an excuse to being a pedophile, if that's what you meant
Wow, what a dark and intricately woven tragedy. Both Megan and Sabrina will forever live with this in their own, torturous way.
No not forever.
Rishro...of course everyone is focussed on Megan's testimony...but let's give more thought to little Hayley who barely gets a mention in this whole sordid horror story...Hayley lost her Biological Mother..and her Biological father is serving life for conspiracy in the Murder...at least Megan can go home to her real father and normality and stability..Hayley lost everyone..how that affects the child I can not imagine..
@@markianclark9645the only thing I can say is thanks. So many others feel for Lisa and Megan. And even to a very small feeling for Sabrina. That Hayley will never know a normal life. Ever. It's a valid point you brought up. My only thought are yes I feel for them both Megan and Hayley. May the good in life come to them. Nothing vut the best for them both. And again thanks for pointing out poor Hayley in all of this.
22:18 Sabrina was betrayed by Lisa first as a child under her care, as a foster parent and social worker. She was aware of the situation. It's extremely important for victims to not be blamed and it's beyond disappointing her foster mother kept her with this man
@AmandaabnamATotally agreed. It's so sad to see people in the comments are blaming Sabrina, when she was failed by everyone and knew nothing but abuse.
And as a social worker she's a mandated reporter so she had a duty to report it under penalty of law.
I feel so bad for most involved in this case. All except the husband. Yes, even Sabrina. I'm not saying it's right and she definitely deserves to be in prison for what she did. However, that monster, knew how to take advantage of and manipulate a young, vulnerable girl. She craved love and acceptance and he used that for his own sick ends. I wish she would have went more for the emotional attachment with Lisa as a mom than with that sicko. Things would have been so much different. I also wish she would have stopped either when Lisa was begging her to or when Megan was trying to stop her. It's just awful that those young girls had to witness that and will have to live with that image in their minds for the rest of their lives. It's possible that the little one has completely blocked it out but she still had to grow up without a mom. Megan will never be able to forget. Lisa did nothing but want to help kids in foster care and she lost her life, brutally because of it. Completely terrible 😞
emotionally she was still a child. It is to her credit that she did not even think of hurting her sister to get rid of a witness
The screams of Lisa and megan made me cry. This is such violent act. Justice for lisa
I like ur doge
@@OscarLangleySoryu "I like ur doge" ? What do you mean with your odd comment ?
@@thepeaksandthetroughs they have a cute pup
I don’t believe Lisa deserves justice, but her daughter does. Lisa was keeping Sabrina as a sex slave, she knew her husband was SAing her but she didn’t do anything about it.
Thanks for the response guys, I didn't notice the puppy in the profile photo.
I admit I initially thought the #Doge reference was an attempt at trolling. I was wrong and I apologise for any potential stress caused due to my understanding. HAGD
I really feel bad for everyone in this story besides that evil man. He’s it’s so clear how he took advantage of Sabrina.
Megan is so strong, I cant imagine what it feels like to go through what she has but she carries herself and her mum's memory with great dignity and class
“A social worker specializing in sexual abuse”
And yet did absolutely nothing to stop the sexual abuse. 🤷🏼♂️
Tf are you on about? She literary restricted Sabrina from seeing her stepdad when it became clear, AND she was on her way to leave him!
It’s pretty easy to sit there and judge after the fact huh?!
@@CursedCompass restricted, didn't get any legal action involved? You think stopping someone from seeing the other person would solve things? Which world do you live in 💀
@@photophobicblackoutIt’s easy to sit and judge after the fact, but “restricted” is a far cry from “doing absolutely nothing”
@@brotherofthesouthNo it’s not easy as someone that was abused as child it’s disgusting that this wasn’t reported by adult that was educated in sexual abuse instead she punished the child that was being raped by her husband
Agreed. I think she should have reported what she knew immediately and allowed law enforcement to take over. She would surely have known she was far too closely involved to be trusting her own judgment.
The weird part is that Lisa didn't leave Kevin as soon as she found out that he was a sexual predator, and she kept the kids in the same house with him.
you can really tell how much this has affected both Sabrina and Megan. it's so awful. none of those girls deserved this, and i hope that Sabrina can be forgiven, and both of the girls can heal 🙏
I am disgusted by the groomer. But the deceased victim; damn, she had no business doing her day job. I want to think that, in her final moments, she finally figured it all out. "Each unhappy family is unhappy in its own way". And the wrap up? No, Sabrina did not betray Kevin; she just stopped betraying herself.
Just because she was a victim,let’s not forget that Lisa failed Sabrina too.How could she as a social worker not report what her husband was doing to a vulnerable child.I am in no way excusing the husband’s behaviour and people might disagree but I get a feeling that she put the stability of her life over a child being abused
Sabrina had never known what real love is. She committed a crime and repented for it, and destroyed so many lives in the process, but shes also a victim herself. If someone had just shown ans taught her what love is, she wouldn't have committed a crime she would later regret. She's no psychopath with murderous tendencies, just a terribly lost soul. I pray for healing for everyone who suffered due to the evil act of one individual. 😢
Her apology was definitely sincere. Bless Sabrina for understanding what she did wrong and willing to take the consequences. So many hugs for Megan 💖
The only person in this situation that I do NOT feel sorry for is the Father. Megan and her sister have lost their Mother, and will have to live with the trauma of what they witnessed, and living without their Mother, for the rest of their lives. But I also feel so badly for Sabrina, and I feel like her remorse is genuine. She realizes what a horrific thing she did, and will have to live with that for the rest of her life.
That said, I certainly understand why Megan can't forgive Sabrina. As a society, we insist on "turning the other cheek" way too much. Megan has been through a nightmare situation, and has no reason to forgive. She has taken her trauma and turned it into her strength, to help others, and become a strong young woman in her own right. Even if she understands the reasons for why Sabrina did what she did, even if she understands that Sabrina is genuinely sorry for what happened, it's within her own rights to deny forgiveness.
Sabrina will not only need to be remorseful for her actions, but she will need to understand that Megan can't forgive her for it. That's a very hard pill to swallow. She has to live with her actions for the rest of her life, and recognize that some things just can't be undone.
Unfortunately Megan has to put some of the blame on her mother. when her mother found out what the pedo was doing to her forster child, she did nothing about it. She decided to keep it quiet and keep that girl in that house until she graduated high school her and the pedo made that decision. Lisa also decided to stop Sabrina from interacting with her forster sisters I suppose as punishment for sleeping with her husband. All of the decisions she made after finding out what her husband was doing to Sabrina!
If a foster mother notices her husband grooming their foster or adopted daughter, she should speak with the girl and report the situation to social services and the police without the husband's knowledge in order to remove the husband before he further manipulates and harms the girl. But I realize how difficult it is to empathize with a girl you cared for just to betray you.
its not as easy as your dummy tiny brain assumes !
it‘s so sad that grooming isn’t illegal. you have to let something bad happen before the police can do anything.
@@jfoetidnwo56
However, seeking assistance in defending yourself and your daughter against the groomer by getting a restraining order against him is legitimate, as is seeking help from the police if you feel he would harm you if he knew you had filed a restraining order. If you don't stop a husband, boyfriend, or lover from abusing your child, even if it means leaving or causing him to leave, you might as well let it happen. I'm not blaming the victim; she may had a reason to act the way she did. However, I believe that moms, in general, should take action, even if it means separating their families from the father.
That girl didn't betray her foster mother. Not when that waste of oxygen touched her, not when that piece of garbage had sex with her, not even when that no-account walking pile of dog diarrhea guilted and conned her into committing murder.
I know you don't understand how grooming works, so it probably DOES look like betrayal to you. That woman was a sex abuse "expert" and damn well DID. She allowed her ego and her feelings to override her training and her knowledge. That not only cost HER her life, but it cost her daughter her peace and a portion of her heart, and it cost this girl her freedom, her safety and her future.
Call it victim blaming if you'd like to. I personally don't think that being realistic with the facts qualifies, but I don't care if it does.
It isn't a betrayal for a child to be abused. She (the mother) should have gotten her out of the house immediately upon realizing he was sexually abusing her-or, considering he was living there with her two daughters as well, gotten HIM out of the house. Blaming the child victim in the situation is NEVER the takeaway. Sincerely, a CSA survivor. (Edit: edited for clarity.)
This case is just sad. Sabrina was taken advantage of and is clearly remorseful. She understands that her foster sisters may never forgive her. Sabrina was just a child who needed and wanted to be loved and it should have never ended up this way. I’m glad Megan is working to help others and bring criminals to justice.
I think it’s insane though this happened in Ohio and I never heard of it. I’ve driven past Dayton Correctional so many times and never knew Sabrina was in there.
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Random but do you know if can send a letter from outside the US?
It makes me so enraged when it’s revealed that an “innocent” friend of the killer KNEW THEY WERE GOING TO DO IT
In this case it's probably sabrina who manipulated her friend into thinking what she's gonna do is right and have no other option. She might have made her friend emotional telling her struggles and her own problems and as a close friend of sabrina, her friend decided to understand her problems and didn't care to stop her.
But still who the hell keeps his/her mouth shut when things have escalated this much and doesn't try to stop them or call the cops. People should have at least this level of emotional intelligence to decipher whats wrong and what's not. Considering they aren't 2 Y/O they should have that much of maturity. Even her younger sister had more maturity and emotional intelligence.
I literally feel the same what you feel about such dumb people.
@@HPY07 right… nobody should be able to be ‘manipulated’ into agreeing with murder 🤦♂️ and agreed, 16 is a kid but it’s not even remotely a little kid. They know murder is wrong, that’s pretty basic.
@@OscarLangleySoryu yeah exactly dude it's understandable if a kid says to his friend my parents don't understand me and what not with exaggeration trying to manipulate the friend for what he's demanding basically a new bicycle is right and true according to him/her otherwise he will not talk to his parents but it's a thing of murder right here and 16 is more than enough to understand that it's a hell of a crime.
People be lackin' some common sense fr bruh!
This is so nitpicky in the grand scheme of things but I hate how the cops somehow think that _getting pulled into a police station for questioning over a murder_ isn't also incredibly anxiety inducing for people who are innocent.
Not to mention that many people are naturally "twitchy " especially if they’ve been through something. :/
I hated how he was like "the first thing she did was scratch her forehead" or whatever, so that means she's lying. I get itches on my head/face all day so apparently I must be a huge liar lol.
If someone was murdered fuck your anxiety, everyone is guilty till proven innocent.
@@deadbythirty4254 First of all that's deliberately not how the law works, and second of all, if my family member was murdered I wouldn't want the police dicking around with body language pseudoscience instead of sticking to the hard facts of the case.
@@ville666sora No seriously, the actual facts of body language and how complicated it can be has been completely over shadowed by pseudoscientific bullshit that hurts people and wastes everyone's time.
😮🤔🫣 The irony in him telling that girl, he couldn't do it, because his daughter would lose both parents, if he was caught. But in his next breath, tell her to do it, because she wouldn't, wasn't lost on me.
That detective thinking is nonsense. "If somebody touches their face. They are lying." How many people were convicted because of these "detectives".
Why didn’t Lisa do anything if she knew her husband was abusing the child? Instead she just punished the child. She shouldn’t have been so selfish as to protect a child molester. Even if it’s her husband. It killed her.
Ya, because of Lisa, all lives are ruined.
@bewilderedwomenstravels6776
Yeah it was the victims fault she was BRUTALLY stabbed by the foster daughter she took on board to try to provide her with a loving family/home?!?!?! Oh pls.. talk about victim blaming
What’s wrong with u ppl? We don’t even know this happened, just from others perspectives but she can’t defend herself as she’s DEAD!
How was she to prove her suspicions? My guess is she didn’t want to believe it but suspected it, and no doubt was likely gaslit into thinking otherwise. She probably was told she was just being paranoid due to her daily job..
@@FrankskinOrweed-ep4ij the matter wouldn't have escalated to this point if Lisa would have taken proper measures beforehand. She knew what her husband was doing yet she only blamed sabrina and punished her. Isn't that Victim Blaming??? Isn't Lisa blaming Sabrina for her husband's deeds?? What about that?? Planing to divorce isn't the solution, you brought that child into your house so it is solely your responsibility to take care of her, especially when that child already had a troubled past. If Lisa would have taken actions then all of these could have been prevented. So, yeah if we are blaming Lisa is regarded as victim blaming then what lisa did was also Victim blaming
@@FrankskinOrweed-ep4ijyes we are victim blaming because the victim escalated the situation. Even if that wasn’t her intention, she still escalated it. We aren’t doing this to be malicious. We are simply acknowledging the victim made some mistakes which costed her own life. Yes it’s sad, but we can’t lie to ourselves that the victim did nothing wrong like you’re Trynna do
Sabrina shiuld not have been given liflfe in prison. She was a child who was used, manipulated, and abused. She was also a victim.
Thats not to say she shiuldnt serve a sentence, she did what she did, but life is way too long.
Ok
Same. Especially because Lisa did literally nothing to get her husband to stop r*ping her.
Honestly the "she just wanted to help people" line at the end made me nauseous knowing her response to her husband being a predator was to isolate the victim and let the predator makes decisions about the victim. Gross. That man would have been out of my house instantly or she'd have been, I'd have called the phone company for txt records, I'd have reported my suspicions. I'm not saying she deserved death for that mistake or anything but she 100% made her bed as well and this treating her like a perfect victim at the expense of the CHILD she let get SAed repeatedly is terrible.
She wasn't h9lding the murder weapon. She WAS the murder weapon.
she's eligible for parole in 2042, when she will be 48.
Depending on varying state laws, life can mean 10-30 years or more, unless it specifies life without parole. 10 is usually a minimum reserved for minors though.
Especially with how he carried on after and trying to visit her. I pray the parole board has mercy on her. And she's able to live some type of life. I hope she can heal during this time and can prove everyone wrong. She was worth having a life!
The thing is the lady knew he was abusing her so she had a duty of care to remove either her husband or her foster daughter, to say she did nothing but help others in her life is rubbish she didn’t report anything she let this poor young girl get abused by her husband she is not the victim
Amen. I just watched a video of an almost identical case. If course Lisa didn’t deserve to die, but had she lived, she definitely deserved jail.
She seemed more like she viewed the abuse of their foster child as her husband cheating and got jealous. She didn't deserve to be murdered, but the fact that she knew what he was doing to Sabrina and she didn't call the authorities, but instead chose to isolate Sabrina from the rest of the family, speaks volumes about who she was as a person.
@@ville666sora precisely.
Lisa was a murder victim who didn't respond promptly to a super toxic family situation. Obviously she didn't deserve to die. Her daughters have suffered all these years from witnessing the attack and not having their mom by their side. They certainly didn't deserve to lose her.
@@sarahevanson-isaac7237"didn’t respond promptly" she let a child get sexually abused until she was the victim of murder. I’m not saying she’s at all to blame nor does she deserve to die but she had it coming.
what happened to hailey? the 3 year old that literally just lost both her mom and dad?? why does no one talk about her or if shes ok
She's still a minor today so she probably can't be shown or doesn't want to, nor was she old enough to remember to be included in this as it's specifically about the murder and not life after
Two kinds of evil here. Being a predator, and marrying someone who’s living it is to protect girls from him.
Kevin managed to groom/SA Sabrina for years, managed to make Sabrina go from the victim in this situation to the ab*ser by making her k!ll his wife infront of her daughter and he almost got away with it too bc Sabrina kept quiet for some time. Gross. I really wish Megan all the best and healing. I can never imagine having to go through all of that at the hands of your stepdad and someone you consider your “big sister”. This case is a perfect example of how a whole family became a victim basically bc of one person.
Those screams from her mother on the 911 call are so haunting and chilling. This whole case is so freakin sad. 😢
Bro. I disagree with the prosecutor it's not a perfect circle of betrayal. Sabrina did not betray Kevin. There is no betrayal when she didn't owe him a damn thing.
I rarely believe apologies that murderers give to the victim's family, but somehow Sabrina's apologies strike me as genuine. She is taking accountability, doesn't play the victim and speaks about what she's done. She believes in her sentence, even if it is poor justice to the victim's family. I think deep down, Sabrina is a good person, but being young and groomed and manipulated, she became a monster who would do such horrible things. Sad.
At least Kevin was also caught and sentenced too.
I believe the samething. She was groomed. She didn’t have a family growing up. She didn’t know what love was or what a healthy parent - child relationship was like.
The Fact that she still call brie her sister on 911 call it tells how loving this girl was
Gross. Lisa effed herself by not helping Sabrina sooner/more. Being jealous of an abused child is WILD and disgusting.
I personally think it was more a feeling of betrayal that the girl she took off in and made part of the family would do such a thing. But either way you're right, if she'd gotten Sabrina help for SA from her husband and maybe went to the police about it, this situation wouldn't of happened.
Again how did she betray her when she was so obviously targeted & groomed by the husband so the foster mom in fzct shoukd of done much more@@kingmary2268
@@kingmary2268 Feeling of betrayal for what? Being the interest of her stepfather? Sabrina had no choice in the matter.
@@kaleido457 she didn't have a choice in the assault but she did after. I was a child of SA and I spoke up immediately and told on the person the second i could. So others wouldn't be hurt in the same manner. I didn't plot with him to kill my mother and one loving caregiver. Yes of course he tried to manipulate my child mind and whats more is i was much much much younger than her, but we all still know not to murder. I chose to tell and not murder anyone. My mom was less than helpful, she didn't get me any help or even talk to me about it....still decided to not murder.
@@kingmary2268 Not everyone is able to speak out against their abuser. Especially as a child. On top of that, Lisa herself didn't help protect Sabrina. She isolated her and didn't report the abuse.
You're blaming a child for not reporting her abusive stepfather. Shame on you.
Lisa is unfortunately the one to blame here. She was a social worker if you suspect sexual abuse you must report it is your duty under law. No matter who it is and even if and especially if it's your husband. It's disgusting that she didn't leave him immediately and take Sabrina with her when she found out or even suspected anything.
Yes,but also this girl murdered at age 18 and is an adult. I was sexually abused by 2 family members and didn't kill anyone.
@@annalisa4558if you’re expecting a pat on the back for that, no, you’re not getting one.
Get a life@@lamortexotique
@@lamortexotiqueyou don't have to be so mean. Everyone has different triggers when they see this kind of news. Be a bit more compassionate even if it's online communication😔
@@annalisa4558I’m sorry you suffered in your past because you didn’t deserve that. But in that same breath, you should be able to understand how being abused changes you, especially when it’s repeatedly as a child. She was 18 and while that’s legally an adult, she had no proper guidance up until that point on what’s an appropriate loving relationship between children and their parents. Nobody is saying she was right, but we ARE saying we understand how she got to this point. 18 is still extremely young and impressionable. You’d think you would have some more sympathy for someone who ultimately was failed repeatedly by every single adult in her life considering you claim you were as well.
What I love about this channel is its to the point. Short videos showing all the facts, filled with empathy and understanding for all the victims in these cases.
Well done unseen, in giving these precious people a voice.
Honestly, I do believe Sabrina’s emotion in that final interview. What she did is monstrous, but because she was molded and wielded by a monster.
I feel hurt that Sabrina never got what she wanted. She wanted a loving home and got s3xu@lly abused by her father and groomed to killing the one personally who tried to give her love.
And the justice system failed her. And now Sabrina getting shamed when manipulated into a situation.
Kevin is a disgusting excuse of a man.
Having hurt who was to be his child. And he took what Sabrina never got and used it against her twisted it to where she believed SA was love and the only way to have that was to hurt the only person who wanted to love her.
This case is just hurtful not only for Sabrina but her sister it hurts seeing how Sabrina in the end never got what she needed.
Love and help.
Rip Lisa.
Rip? d-did she die?
@@i-love-cringe-jennaYeah, Lisa, AKA Foster mom died :(
@@i-love-cringe-jenna the mom died Sabrina is incarcerated
Why tf r u stuttering over text@@i-love-cringe-jenna
@@Cicifx idk it wasn't me, my little sister had my phone and she dose those weird cringy Ai chats
I really feel for Sabrina. She was still basically a child with a history of abuse who was manipulated by a predatory adult. It doesn't excuse her actions but I do feel for her.
He ruined her and she was already so ruined it seemed to NOT matter to anyone In ANYTIME of Sabrina’s life!!!😢😢😢
This young woman, who was an abused child, was 100% manipulated, taken advantage of by a sad excuse of a parental figure is a victim too! How she received life in prison is an absolute failure and the worst travesty of justice I've ever seen!!! What in the Actual F?! How did this happen?! MAJOR FAILURE OF JUSTICE FOR A VULNERABLE CHILD!!! I'm disgusted!
Can we do anything?
I AGREE. She needed rehabilitation so she could be reintegrated into society. Instead, she got abused and then thrown in jail because she was a victim.
I agree. After 10 years or something, she could have gone into rehabilitation and got proper psychological treatment....
I waited to watch this until I had seen every other episode on UNSEEN... BC I've seen it over and over on other channels. However, THIS was done SO much better.
UNSEEN is my new favorite channel, you rock!!!
THANK YOU for the hard work and HEART you guys put into everything!
What a sad case , that sick monster , and when cops went to arrest him he was sleeping in Sabrina's room , what a sico . They both were wrong so they deserve jail time
Sabrina was a victim in all of this as well.
Nope
True. Yet she was tried as an adult despite being a manipulated and abused child, and ended up getting the same sentence as the mastermind. That is messed up.
@@AHMADKIOSK a man who was supposed to be a father figure to an abused girl got into her pants and into her head to manipulate her. She was a victim to gaslighting that was beyond her understanding
@@AHMADKIOSKabsolute was. Maybe even more than Lisa. Sabrina was a child, thinking like a child, abused like a child. Lisa KNEW she was being abused, and didn’t report her husband. Lisa was not only an adult, she was a mandated reporter. She was jealous and let it cloud her vision, and it cost her her life.
@@BandlerChing Yup. I'm sorry but Lisa was a terrible person for that.
This is so sad that it makes me cry. RIP Lisa Knoefel.
Beyond being shocked at the father, I am so stunned and surprised the mother who specializes in sexual abuse cases decided it was the SMART maneuver to not only NOT report her pedophilic and grooming husband, but to further isolate sabrina from her support system (lisa and her sisters).
Before people get outraged about 'badmouthing the dead' or 'victim blaming'-- it was genuinely bad parenting and gross negligence to allow a pedophile to remain in the same house as the girl he is already assaulting. But to have a background in cases like it-- I am beyond baffled at her response. Maybe it was due to the shock and horror of living under the same roof as this kind of man, or raising so many young girls around him and worrying about them seeing, or maybe it was disgust and shame that she was married to such a creep that kept her silent but... Wow.
This... Was probably one of the worst cases I ever heard of, it's downright unbelieveable how depraved and hellish it is.
I'm angry, I'm frustrated, I'm sad, I'm absolutely flabbergasted. How can someone instigate this, how can someone go along with this, how evil do you have to be to even consider this.
It just doesn't compute.
not to defend sabrina but the parents were both awful, if you know your husband is taking advantage of your foster daughter you dont isolate and become strict on her? she was punished for being abused. So yeah Lisa was not innocent, not as bad as the "dad" but she was a pos
We don’t actually even know if Lisa was involved with that stuff. It’s completely possible. We will never know.
@@OscarLangleySoryu involved or not she knew
She may not have handled it the best way but she couldn't prove anything so he couldn't be charged and she was trying to get a divorce.
Agree!!! I don't feel sorry for her. I feel sorry for Sabrina, for being put into the lions den
@@jiggnorth3593oh bs
I appreciate your content, your respect for the victims and the way you adopt the victims' and family's point if view instead of being fascinated by the murderer's acts and behavior.
I'm French and was struck when I realized the family's lived in Chagrin Drive. Chagrin is the French word for "sorrow" and it IS exactly that. So much sorrow both for Lisa's children and relatives and for this young 18-year-old woman who was psychologically abused and instrumentalized by her foster father and whose life is shattered too, as a result.
its easy to do because all they did was take apart an already produced documentary on the subject and piece it together differently so they can act like it was their own video
I wonder why they let the case go cold when there were countless VERY OBVIOUS red flags from Kevin. Ugh.
They can’t convict on red flags. They didn’t have evidence.
As a former foster kid from my experience most families are like this well without the murder. Idk about other kids but the system is failing us
Lisa wasn’t a great social worker if she thought keeping this girl when her husband was SAing her was a great idea.
I’m sorry it’s just the truth.
It’s unfortunate that this lapse in judgement ended up in taking her life.
I don’t think it was a lapse in judgement. I think it was her trying to figure out how to facilitate that without escalating it and putting her as and the girls in danger. I think she rightly feared her husband and sadly ran out of time to get the best of him first.
@@admirallily she was a fucking social worker. She would have known what to do. She just didn’t want to do it.
You have no idea how low the bar is.
I was thinking the same thing. It's a tragedy for Lisa and the girls, no doubt. The thing is, why would she keep Sabrina with them? She should have had Sabrina removed from the home immediately. She kept her and isolated her from the rest of the family. How was this supposed to help? It's all a tragic story. Kevin is a monster, and Sabrina is where she needs to be sadly.
@admirallily bs!!! It's literally her fkn job to protect children. Her ego, and her fear if living her job was more important to her. Btch. Sabrina should be released. 0 sympathy for Lisa
How do two people like that end up married? Honestly.
Camouflage and opportunity to victimize more kids.
@@wildershoney2439 I was more asking why she was with him lol
@@OscarLangleySoryu He certainly seems like a Narcissist, probably can turn on the charm when he wants to
@@OscarLangleySoryudo you think he goes around announcing he's a predator??
Well, her views on Sabrina's grooming and abuse certainly matched his, sadly
I’ve heard this story before but didn’t realize it was only 2 years into fostering Sabrina before she turned on her.
Megan has grown to become a beautiful woman, both inside and outside. Her mom taught her well and she'll continue to live inside her.
The probable reason for why Lisa separated Sabrina from her sisters during her suspicions is that children who are survivors of childhood sexual trauma can become predators. I have seen it in several cases, where children who are exposed to that kind of abuse very early will prey upon other children. I think it was a wise precaution to take in most situations, but obviously Sabrina was too far gone. What a horrible situation. Kevin is responsible for so much harm.
💔💔 Poor Meagan and Hailey 😢 I wish them healing and blessings 🙏🏼
sabrina needs to be in a mental health home, not jail she was a child and she was manipulated. she was also a victim she needs help she was dealt a bad hand since birth.
Not to mention, thinking she finally got a loving home, only to be abused by the dad, isolated and punished for it by the mom😢
Can't believe people can take out life insurance on other people without their knowledge
First time I have seen this channel. Very impressed with the professional documentary style video. Very informative.
Such a messed up situation all round!
same
The first time I saw a video on this case, I thought Sabrina was the only one at fault. That's the way the story was spun, that she was just insane.
The way she (the daughter)said “then I knew he did it “ I could feel it in my soul ..
I feel so bad for Megan. But i also feel so awful for Sabrina... being manipulated like that, and absolutely regretting it to her core, and knowing nothing can ammend her for what she did, losing her whole support system over a tragic mistake... God i just want to give her a hug... i hope that father rots in hell!
Yeah she was groomed and Lisa didn’t really do anything about it, now did she?! The only victim is this girl who was groomed. And the other kids, left without parents.
she was separating her from the family? and wanted to put her back in the foster system? are you stupid?
Based off the insurance that should have been flagged and an investigation done. Like wtf does this justice system do for real?
It's so difficult to hear the word passed when someone's been murdered or committed suicide. It's unnatural to me.
I hope the 2 sisters can heal. They didn't talk about the youngest much but I hope she and Megan can heal from this.
Ooo i so do love thid channel when it comes to true crime stories .. thank you for all ur hard work you put into sharing these sad stories with us❤
This situation is weird. The mom doesnt do anything to protect the girl except isolate her. And the sisters dont seem to acknowledge that she was a victim as well because she was being groomed
Dispatcher: Who has a knife???
Megan: My sister¡¡¡
Megan still thinks Sabrina as "My SISTER" but Sabrina thought of herself as "A Wicked Step MOTHER".
There's not enough time in this video spent on how the mother knew what was happening and actually made it even worse. As the "helper" she was... to punish the abused teenager for being abused by her own husband.... Come on now.... That's not total innocence.
Ik this is unrelated, but this is one of the best, if not THE best crime channel.
ewu and the villians and beyond evil are soo sooooo much better. this is a good one too, but quite often they arnt making their own video, they piece together footage from documenteries and news feeds, only adding the bare minimum of customized scripts. not to mention the horrible AI generated captions in most of the videos
How horrifying 😢 sad case. Thank you for your time and work on it ❤
Good on Mr. Strunk for outing his "best friend." If someone you love does something wrong, it can be hard to do the right thing. Granted, this was downright evil.
I have to say, Megan is one heck of a woman. Such strength. I really admire her.
Guy brings in your lawyer and not talking. First day, RED FLAGS!! GUILTY!!!
Poor Lisa and her children - This breaks my heart. This is just horrible and a tragedy. I wish Kevin the worst. Hope god will judge him!
Lisa is not innocent in this. She protected Kevin, the rapist, from the authorities and segregated Sabrina from Megan, so she had no one to talk to about the abuse. Lisa is complicit in Sabrina's abuse
Sabrina is a victim. He groomed her to murder, just as he did to control her sexually. And that was by putting her back in foster care or on the streets. Foster children are the most vulnerable. She shows absolute remorse and admitted everything with her own life on the line. Not hiding anything anymore. Surely, she was interviewed by male investigators, even during the proffer, and she most likely being sexually and physically abused since a young child. She has known nothing more but submission or the worst. She was the perfect target to do anything he wanted.
The sister, I understand her pain, but being in criminal justice in college, she should understand the background and take into account every detail of a teenage child who had been subjected to such atrocities prior to being placed there and that this man preyed upon her to this extent. She was a child in the foster care system who was taken out of trauma only to be introduced to more trauma. She plead guilty and will spend the rest of her life and it truly is not her fault and she does seem truly remorseful. She lives in misery everyday and blames herself. It was that grown mans fault.
I have lost my twin, younger sister, and son. Each I deal with differently on who played what parts. For my younger sister, dying at 23, funeral on 24th birthday, is a hard one. She left behind a two and four year old. The drunk driver showed no remorse. His family paid his bail and he spent 2 days in jail after only a broken leg. After, he was seen in a bar drinking with his leg propped up. Broke conditions of bond numerous times, on camera the girlfriend and mother breathing into a breathalyzer. He was speeding a 100+ miles extremely intoxicated and my sister died instantly, such a forceful impact her seatbelt couldn't save her, it was shattered, thrown in the floorboard in fetal position with a piece of metal through her chest severing one of the two main arteries. I do hope she died instantly. He did not want to accept a plea deal. Therefore three years after we went through a trial for a week listening to details loved ones and I can never unheard. My parents having to walk out with the photos of her body taken out with the jaws of life, the medical examiner explaining every detail of the autopsy, first responders, officers, even the head of ER arguing with the defense in respect to my sister and the injuries sustained on another victim, surviving barely, and barely to this day.
He received 2 years for my sister and 10 years probation for the survivor, in which the judge reduced to 5. The attorneys and judge had a history and the jury bought their charm hook line and sinker.
Now he advocates for prisoners rights. Never mentioning what he did. But with that this is the first time I have thought about him. And I find him more a killer than this young teenage girl.
being a social worker and knowing your adoptive daughter is being groomed and not saying SHIT is WICKED work
sabrina is a victim in this as well
that man is evil. rot.
As a supplement, a detailed analysis of the photo at 0:28. Look at Sabrina's pose. She is cuddling up to her foster father. Her hand is stemmed on her hip. A gesture of dominance. Her gaze is challenging, her smile triumphant. Compare that with the pose and the facial expression of the older biological daughter; completely different. The foster mum Lisa must have noticed it and should have been warned. You can't miss it.
Stop with this pseudoscience bullshit.
She was a child not the seducer. Obviously she committed an incredibly evil act but your take on this is very telling.
Stabbing is very very personal & motivation driven! This is so brutal 😢😢 This case is not exactly black and white...
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You really have a way of finding and highlighting the most triumphant survivors 👏