Eh sorry, not so fast! Not all best friends that do those things together equal lovers. I have several best friends to this day and we did all of the above together EXCEPT sleep with each other.
It's weird to say, but the letter Elisa wrote to her daughter really is beautiful. It sounds like she truly understood her mistakes and just wanted to apologize and finally return all the love and support she got from Haylei over the years. No child should ever have to do that, but at least she finally acknowledged it.
@@fourfurrypaws9294 Me too. I think her mother held on to sanity as long as she could for her daughter and she just snapped coz she realized she put her child in danger.
Are you serious? Her mom wrote what her daughter needed to hear, so she could move on with her selfish life. Her mom was completely heart broken & devastated. She couldn’t fathom that the only person she ever truly loved & would do anything in this world for, could turn her in & take her life always from her. Your Hallmark ignorance is hilarious. You don’t understand the true situation here, obviously.
I’m actually proud of her for writing that letter to her daughter! Although she was selfish in her life the love for her daughter can’t be denied ,in that letter she took complete accountability …. I respect that
She wasn't selfish. She knew that she'd ignored her mental health issues, but sometimes they just can't be ignored any longer. It's an awful, heartbreaking story.
Bro I literally started F*CKING BAWLING, straight up UGLY CRYING in my room alone as the letter was being read lmao… darn onion cutting ninjas strike again.
Yup. A This is Monsters fan and all true crime I watch. I think it’s like when you hear a song in a different language at first your mind trys to make sense of the lyrics. I think people can’t believe it’s a dead body so go straight to mannequin- which is more rare. Thanks for the made for TV movie- still think we or I ha can do better…
“They had dinner together, living together, sleeping in the same room together, bought matching underwear together… they were best friends” uh huh, yeah. Let’s call it that😅
right? I remember 9/11 like it was yesterday, so I know the craziness that ensued, and how they managed to roll a dead dude out the door, and weekend at bernies his ass, taking him on a trip to go back home. This some wild shit.
@@ShawnicornMindshiftCoaching lol ikr? I myself was only 1 so I don’t have memory of it but always find it so interesting to hear peoples recounts and where they were at the time
I have seen videos on this case on multiple other shows/channels and this was the best coverage by far. You guys got all the important details, clips, photos etc and uniquely told the story from her daughter’s perspective. Which I had not heard before and is actually very powerful to the dynamics of it all. Thank you for your great work on all the cases you guys cover. 🎉
@@terrikeentk Enjoy your 30s, even your late 30s.. they are the best decade by far. Maturity, beauty, physical strength. Don't waste them wishing you were younger. When you're older, you'll WISH you could look and feel like you did in your 30s. Enjoy it. :)
My heart is broken for haley. I wish she would release herself from that guilt because no matter what, she's the child and it was not her job ever to protect her mom.
My mom passed from overdose when I was only 17, she also put me through quite a lot of bad stuff growing up. Although the situation here was different in many ways, there were also many similarities between my life and childhood to Haylei’s. I didn’t get a note like Haylei did, I wish I did. But hearing what her mom said in the note made me cry like a baby. While listening to the reading of the note, I imagined my mom saying some of those same things to me. Miss you mom, rip and sleep with the angels ❤️
So sorry for your hard upbringing and losing your mum so young, your love for her and obviously she loved you or you wouldn't feel the bond like you do for her, I'm sure if she could your mum also would have written you a letter, a lot of people just can't put their feelings on paper, she just assumed you knew her feelings, I know you were her last image before she was free. I hope you're are living a happy life.
@@suegoulding1341 Thanks a lot, I appreciate all of that very much. She did love me and I could tell when she was sober, she just fell victim to addiction for reasons of her own like so many of us do. I don’t shame anyone for not being able to overcome addiction, it’s tremendously difficult and unfortunately sometimes simply loving your family and friends isn’t quite enough to steer you away from the clutches of your addiction. I know she tried hard for a long time but eventually lost. I’ve thought about that a lot, what she felt and thought about as the overdose set in and she might have had some moments to realize the mistake she had made. Not even sure if there was any time to think clearly before it took effect, but if there was I believe she would have thought of me and wanted to say goodbye. She always felt horrible about putting me through tough times, so I’m sure she would have considered how her passing might affect me. I hope she somehow knew in that moment as overdose set in that I would forgive her for the mistake she seemed to have made, so that she might feel some sense of ease as she passed. It took me a long time but I think I’ve forgiven her as far as I know how to. I’m doing alright, I try to live my life as happily as I can, I have my troubles as anyone does. Thank you though for that 🙏 I hope all is well in your life as well, hope that you are getting along as happily as you can everyday. All the best wishes to you moving forward. Stay safe
@@suegoulding1341 I wrote a big response to you and posted it but idk why it didn’t post :/ In short I just said thank you for all the kind words, thank you for taking the time to read and respond to me. I appreciate it a lot. I’m trying to live as happy of a life as I can, it’s a process as we all know. All the best wishes to you as well 🙏
Wow, Alisa's letter to Haylei had me in tears. I love the advice she gave about being honest and seeking help when needed. I wish that Alisa had been able to do this for herself. 🕯
She put her daughter in that position in the first place though. Of course we should protect our kids but we should also know better than to put them in danger in the first place. She's not some kind of saint and it's weird to act like she's just an innocent victim in all this.
She did kill in cold blood - she could have left with her daughter. This was not the same thing as self defense that happens in the moment as you are being attacked. My heart goes out to the mother - she made a lot of bad choices and was in trouble a lot, but she obviously had a tenderness for her daughter. Ultimately, we can't take the law into our own hands as civilians and murder another, yes in cold blood.
@@elsvaughn795980’s and 90’s it was normal to have those types of small town ads on tv. It was hilarious. One kids family owned a funeral home. She got asked all kinds of odd questions.
I went to Highschool with Sarah Dutra. She was our senior class president. Never in my wildest imagination would I picture Sarah would take this road in life. Just goes to show you don't know people. At our last HS reunion we weren't allowed to talk about her.
I know she was a con artist, and even a murderer, but she was being abused by her husband and so is her daughter. I think if she wouldn't have killed herself, then maybe she could got a pretty lax sentence. Sadly, her criminal background probably would have prevented that.
I thought that at first too and then I realized that me and my best friend do all of that stuff. She's literally my best friend, of course we're going to basically be twins and do everything together. Some people are platonic soul mates, not romantic ones.
My ex best friend and I used to buy matching everything from underwear to clothes and shoes and we did sleep in the same bed together sometimes but there was never anything sexual about it. We weren't lovers.
Every time I watch one of these videos I'm always blown and heartbroken for all the kids that are involved at such a young age. Please keep up with these amazing videos!!!
She was incredibly intelligent. You'd have to be to remember all those names, birthdays, social security numbers. I'm barely getting by with one identity.
“They had dinner together, living together, sleeping in the same room together, bought matching underwear together… they were best friends” "To the point Elisa slept with her best friend more often than Larry" yeah, and historians will call them best friends, roommates, colleagues...
3:05 side note completely unrelated to the video but who else remembered Saul Goodman when they saw the commercial 😂 it’s his exact style just more realistic and tamed down
Lauren’s AKA Elisa’s letter to Haylei made me bawl my eyes out. I could tell that it was so genuine and really showed how much she loved her daughter and regretted everything she put her through and hated that she was unable to provide any kind stability in her life. She tried her best in my opinion considering the circumstances. I do wish things could have been different for both of them. I never relate to anyone who murdered someone but for some reason that I can’t put my finger on I have a lot of empathy for Elisa..Idk maybe I’m crazy. She did end someone’s life and I obviously don’t agree with that but I do feel and understand how things got to where they did I guess. My heart hurts most of all for Haylei. 💔
Very sad case. And Haley your mum would be so proud of you .We can never change our past but can change our future. And it's great to see you have done so well in all aspects of your life
She protected her daughter what's so bad about that part??? So the man who abused a woman and her daughter isn't at fault??? Women who kill their abusers should never go to prison
I am absolutely amazed at the quality of your videos. So compassionate and moving. Look forward to seeing you reach 1 million. It will be so well deserved. Blessings to you and yours.
She really wasnt a good mother, her daughter lived in constant anxiety worrying abt her & living a life on the run. She had stable parents that could assist her but chose to be a thief & con artist intead of looking 4 a stable job & raising her daughter peacefully. She also could have left her husband but chose to kill him
I lived with my alcoholic mom who always tried to be a great mom but…when I was 14 I ended up going to live with my sister while my Dad worked in Chicago…the unstableness of daily life with my mom was scary, I learned stability and dependability from my sister and did well for decades but once my divorce came about I went through that instability for a couple years and fully regret putting my kids through those years, my kids were very fortunate that their dad was a good father but I know I scarred my kids 😢
I’m glad her mother wrote her such a heart warming letter. I have no doubt that letter got Halei through some tough times. I’m so sorry your Mom took her life away from you!
Wow.. all i can say is wow.. i have seen.. probably upwards of a few thousand true crime videos/documentaries an this one.. Thisss one.. is going to stay w/ me forever.. im not going to go into detail here but.. myself an this daughter, Now incredible mother have alot in common with our childhoods and in watching this she gives me so much inspiration to continue along my path to a brighter future.. As i too was asked to not let my past overcome me.. but to take everything i learned (both the good and bad) and use it as a lesson to become the amazing Mom and person that i am today.. You are truly incredible.. inspiring and heart warming when for a long time i didn't know my heart would ever be complete again.. Seriously you should have a book written! lol Continue to stay strong beautiful! Your Mom is so proud of you.. and so are the rest of us! just as i know my Mother would be of me.. Xoxo
Omg for some reason i haven't had notifications for your last 2 videos i just saw this by chance, i was waiting for another video from u too 😊 well ive got 3 to watch now! Ill listen while cleaning this afternoon 😊 ❤ ya unseen!
This gutted me in ways I was not expecting, quite honestly. Beautifully told story. Haley is truly something special. And one thing that I hope she knows for sure is that despite her mom’s sickness ~ she clearly loved Haley with her entire soul. I almost feel like she sacrificed her life in the belief that continuing to live would hold Haley back. That, along with her decision to drop Haley off on the side of that road, was the most selfless, courageous thing that she had probably ever done in her life. In hearing all sides of the story, I do feel as though there were definitely mitigating circumstances in this situation. It seems to me like she truly felt trapped, already had tons of years worth of trauma resting on her shoulders (even if some of it was self-induced trauma) and didn’t think there was any other option than what she and her cohort did to Larry. I think that she didn’t feel good about what she did. I don’t think she was a terrible person. I think she was just so very mixed up and continued living the only way she knew how to live. There is such beauty in this story, although I am still mindful that a man’s life was taken. I just feel this immense sense of pride, wonder and gratitude for the path that Haley chose to take for her own life. Her mama knew that her daughter was so incredibly special~ and she was right. Haley’s story is an amazing testimony for anyone who is able to listen to it. No matter where you come from, no matter what awful things may come your way throughout this crazy thing called life~ we can choose to do something different and do things that we might never have thought we could do. Sorry for the long post~ I am just stunned at who Haley has become and how she has turned out. May God continue to bless this woman and her lovely family ~ she is deserving of all the beauty that she has created for herself. In closing~ the words that her mother wrote to her was so much more than just a goodbye letter. It was a gift to her daughter and also the ultimate act of making amends in the only way she felt she had left.
Being from Sacramento I remember his commercials and always wondered what happened to him. I know murder isn’t the answer but, I believe most of us would’ve killed behind our children too. Hailey sweetheart you were an innocent child and it wasn’t your responsibility I know that you feel like you failed but living a happy successful life is and will always be a win! 🙏🏽❤️
That was the most reassuring final letter. It was worded in a way that Haylei cam live a full life without blaming herself for what had happened to her mother.
Hard to dare to judge Knowing how conflicted that young woman's life had to be because of her mother, but Larry put her life in danger, and both were abused by him. I don't know, some part of me is wishing she tuck the decision let her go and not give her away. But I understand that maybe she was afraid after her mother had already crossed that line, wondering if she was capable of doing it again, and even for love feel the need to stop her. I accept that everything is more complicated than I could ever understand.
That letter had me bawling. I truly feel through all her mistakes and everything she could’ve done better, at the end of the day she did it for her baby. She clearly was very mentally ill and needed help long ago- but I think everything she did is what she felt she had to. It was all for her. That’s so much trauma to handle, I’m so glad she’s doing okay.
It’s amazing how differently the same crime can be covered. I’ve heard this story before told by someone else on RUclips. The focus was on Elisa’s and Sarah’s relationship, both at work and personal. According to that channel they were more than just co workers and completely drained Larry’s business out of money by committing fraud and forgery and spent his money on luxuries for themselves. And here the focus is on Larry and how bad he was, and the woman is almost a hero, who was protecting her daughter at all cost. So.. who knows what the truth really was.🤷♀️
Idk man. I’m actually torn on this one. Elisa seemed to have a bad go from the start and I don’t think she would’ve committed m.urder if her daughter hadn’t been attacked. I think if she hadn’t taken her own life she could’ve gotten paroled after time served and been properly rehabilitated. It’s great to see her daughter thriving though despite how chaotic her early years were.
Yep. I'm no psychologist but I think it's safe to say that mom was a sociopath. Whether it was sincere or not, if the letter that she wrote helped her poor daughter heal, then I guess I can give her credit for that. The poor girl was the only adult in this mess. The daughter seems to have turned out rather well, considering.
This is like real life Georgia and Ginny. really sad story but just like this real life version the mother just wants to protect her daughter. I feel so sorry for the daughter.
man it seems people have more sympathy for the mom than the poor daughter. 😕 not only did she have any chance at a normal and safe childhood taken away because of the selfishness of her only parent, but she was eventually just abandoned on the side of the road like garbage then forced to live with this horrific trauma for the rest of her life, all alone. she grew up in constant terror, danger, craziness and paranoia, surrounded by abuse, lies and unchecked mental illness. never having any actual friends or roots anywhere. no fun memories with friends or family. no one to ever turn to, being forced to become the mom to *her* mother as a small child. then instead of just packing up and leaving the man who abused and threatened her daughter for years like she did 100 times before, she murders him, tells her child, throws her out on the street and makes her live with the guilt of having to turn the only person she has in the world in to the police knowing she’d get life or even the death penalty. i mean come on guys. the daughter is the one still suffering.
Thank you! All these people saying she was such a great, loving mom. While she parentified her child in the worst way. There were grandparents who could have taken care of her child. She could have worked on treating her mental illness. Plus, I’ve seen this case covered years ago, and iirc, Elisa and Sarah had embezzled a lot of money from Larry’s law office, from the account that was supposed to pay out to clients who won their case. Larry was an abusive asshole, but they really planned his murder to cover up their theft. And Elisa killed herself rather than face what she did, and left her child to pick up the pieces. And in the letter, she showed she knew what she needed to do, and hadn’t done.
I do feel for the mom, but I’m confused about why she did all that just to go on the run and go back to shoplifting anyway. Seems like she could’ve just emptied the bank account and dipped with a new identity, no murder needed. Or just let them find him and think he drank himself to death. The logic just isn’t making sense to me
This case is one giant contradiction. Her daughter loves her but snitches her out. Sending her to her death… then the mom is a dishonorable witch by rolling on the friend she tangled up in her bs. 🤦♀️
Exactly my thoughts! Everyone saying she protected her daughter too! Smh! She's the one who cut her house arrest bracelet and went on the run with her 8yo child! Then gets with an abusive drunk and stays bc he was rich! She's selfish and drug her daughter thru the mud! Then took her own life bc she always ran from her problems! A good mother would have faced her punishment for the crime she committed and let her parents help raise her daughter while she faced them. The trauma and anxiety she fully caused her child is very sad.
@@sweetie523out of all the perp i felt most compassion for the mother, even with getting financial stability with an abuser, conning, it was all to support her daughter. However, when u killed someone, there is this contradict i think transpired within her mind that she needs to support her daughter but also she is concerned and shocked of what she did. Then, her daughter told the police what happened because her mother was so mentally ill because of the uneasy feeling of covering the truth. Hence, her daughter's action was to release her mother from the weight despite that felt like a betrayal...very sad story
Kudos to Haylei for doing the right thing. It must have been a very difficult decision for her to make at such a young age. Despite all the MANY mistakes that Alyssa made (including murdering the man who laid his hands on Haylei)... Alyssa still managed to raise a level-headed, intelligent, caring daughter. Haylei is a perfect example of not having to let your past define you, and that a bad childhood doesn't excuse bad behavior.
"they bought matching underwear, slept together... They were best friends"
My guy 😂 they were LOVERS
HOLD UP BRO'S ACTUALLY ON TO SOMETHING!!! 🤯
Right. All I could think of was "they were roommates".
Eh sorry, not so fast! Not all best friends that do those things together equal lovers. I have several best friends to this day and we did all of the above together EXCEPT sleep with each other.
@@C-SD LOL 😂
@@C-SD "omg they were roommates"
It's weird to say, but the letter Elisa wrote to her daughter really is beautiful. It sounds like she truly understood her mistakes and just wanted to apologize and finally return all the love and support she got from Haylei over the years. No child should ever have to do that, but at least she finally acknowledged it.
this is a comment that I wanted to say but didn't know the words for.
@@tsukitomoon150 Glad it resonated with you! I'll be honest, it took me a bit to find them as well.
I cried on that part.
@@fourfurrypaws9294 Me too. I think her mother held on to sanity as long as she could for her daughter and she just snapped coz she realized she put her child in danger.
Are you serious? Her mom wrote what her daughter needed to hear, so she could move on with her selfish life. Her mom was completely heart broken & devastated. She couldn’t fathom that the only person she ever truly loved & would do anything in this world for, could turn her in & take her life always from her. Your Hallmark ignorance is hilarious. You don’t understand the true situation here, obviously.
I’m actually proud of her for writing that letter to her daughter! Although she was selfish in her life the love for her daughter can’t be denied ,in that letter she took complete accountability …. I respect that
she took 0, she checked out before taking accountability. she was still running away from everything, thats not accountability
She wasn't selfish. She knew that she'd ignored her mental health issues, but sometimes they just can't be ignored any longer. It's an awful, heartbreaking story.
@@joeallan3706 I said what I meant !
Selfish, or just a deeply troubled person trying to take care of her daughter?
@@AlinaTowers again I said what I meant ! Um she killed a man … selfish was generous!
ok I'm crying so much. that note just ripped my heart out, she is a strong person
Right? Tearjerker for sure. They were/are both strong. If there isn't already a film, I'm writing a treatment and pitching it.
Bro I literally started F*CKING BAWLING, straight up UGLY CRYING in my room alone as the letter was being read lmao… darn onion cutting ninjas strike again.
@@ItsNeverAManequinplease do! LOL fellow Monsters fan 🫶
@@ItsNeverAManequinthere was a made for TV movie called 'Lies my Mother Told Me'.
Yup. A This is Monsters fan and all true crime I watch. I think it’s like when you hear a song in a different language at first your mind trys to make sense of the lyrics. I think people can’t believe it’s a dead body so go straight to mannequin- which is more rare. Thanks for the made for TV movie- still think we or I ha can do better…
“They had dinner together, living together, sleeping in the same room together, bought matching underwear together… they were best friends” uh huh, yeah. Let’s call it that😅
Right😂
Coz you'd rather sleep in alcohol fumes being groped by a drunk or stoned husband trying to get it on? How delightful.
Lets not forget that "friend" was only a few years older than her own daughter 🤢🤮
“They were roommates”
Grow up Mate, maybe watch less porn eh.
BTW, 3-somes are no where near as good as the fantasy, not that you'll ever find out.
‘’And then 9/11 happened” caught me soooo off guard lmao
Right? I was like, oh damn what a convenient distraction 😂
right? I remember 9/11 like it was yesterday, so I know the craziness that ensued, and how they managed to roll a dead dude out the door, and weekend at bernies his ass, taking him on a trip to go back home. This some wild shit.
@@ShawnicornMindshiftCoaching lol ikr? I myself was only 1 so I don’t have memory of it but always find it so interesting to hear peoples recounts and where they were at the time
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@@KatieKillsjoyYou grew up in this crazy time! I wished I was your age but on the other hand...everything changed after that!
"So I'm under arrest now", don't know why but that killed me 😂😂😂
I doesn't make me Laugh Like Really???
39 likes is wild
It kills you when they say that to you😢 I mean that you're under arrest!
I KNOW CUZ I WAS LIKE ‘nah they gonna let you go, ofc you’re under arrest?!!’
I have seen videos on this case on multiple other shows/channels and this was the best coverage by far. You guys got all the important details, clips, photos etc and uniquely told the story from her daughter’s perspective. Which I had not heard before and is actually very powerful to the dynamics of it all. Thank you for your great work on all the cases you guys cover. 🎉
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As an abuse survivor myself, I give Haylei Jordan all the credit in the world for her courage in exposing the evil that she experienced.
100% agree. There's no way she doesn't have ptsd after being choked by Larry.
are you talking about the abuse larry put her through, or the abuse her mother put her through?
@@dwilsx Her mother and Larry.
38?! doesn’t seem like a large number, but having 38 different identities is insane!!
You’re not joking
@@Cowlover973 right
I'll never look at being 38 as a bad thing again now (I'll be 38 in August 😂)
@@terrikeentk Enjoy your 30s, even your late 30s.. they are the best decade by far. Maturity, beauty, physical strength. Don't waste them wishing you were younger. When you're older, you'll WISH you could look and feel like you did in your 30s. Enjoy it. :)
@@wandertree personally enjoying my 40s more than my 20s or 30s
My heart is broken for haley. I wish she would release herself from that guilt because no matter what, she's the child and it was not her job ever to protect her mom.
She is trying to be a best mother she can but struggles with mental health..that’s really sad 😔
Or she's just simply a selfish criminal who only considers what's best for herself, and not her daughter...?
@@RetardationAwareness … did u watch the video craefully 🤨
She is trying to be a best mother she can't but struggles. With mental health that really said
The letter that she wrote to Haylei probably saved her life.
My mom passed from overdose when I was only 17, she also put me through quite a lot of bad stuff growing up. Although the situation here was different in many ways, there were also many similarities between my life and childhood to Haylei’s. I didn’t get a note like Haylei did, I wish I did. But hearing what her mom said in the note made me cry like a baby. While listening to the reading of the note, I imagined my mom saying some of those same things to me. Miss you mom, rip and sleep with the angels ❤️
So sorry for your hard upbringing and losing your mum so young, your love for her and obviously she loved you or you wouldn't feel the bond like you do for her, I'm sure if she could your mum also would have written you a letter, a lot of people just can't put their feelings on paper, she just assumed you knew her feelings, I know you were her last image before she was free. I hope you're are living a happy life.
@@suegoulding1341 Thanks a lot, I appreciate all of that very much. She did love me and I could tell when she was sober, she just fell victim to addiction for reasons of her own like so many of us do. I don’t shame anyone for not being able to overcome addiction, it’s tremendously difficult and unfortunately sometimes simply loving your family and friends isn’t quite enough to steer you away from the clutches of your addiction. I know she tried hard for a long time but eventually lost. I’ve thought about that a lot, what she felt and thought about as the overdose set in and she might have had some moments to realize the mistake she had made. Not even sure if there was any time to think clearly before it took effect, but if there was I believe she would have thought of me and wanted to say goodbye. She always felt horrible about putting me through tough times, so I’m sure she would have considered how her passing might affect me. I hope she somehow knew in that moment as overdose set in that I would forgive her for the mistake she seemed to have made, so that she might feel some sense of ease as she passed. It took me a long time but I think I’ve forgiven her as far as I know how to. I’m doing alright, I try to live my life as happily as I can, I have my troubles as anyone does. Thank you though for that 🙏 I hope all is well in your life as well, hope that you are getting along as happily as you can everyday. All the best wishes to you moving forward. Stay safe
@@suegoulding1341 I wrote a big response to you and posted it but idk why it didn’t post :/ In short I just said thank you for all the kind words, thank you for taking the time to read and respond to me. I appreciate it a lot. I’m trying to live as happy of a life as I can, it’s a process as we all know. All the best wishes to you as well 🙏
Wow, Alisa's letter to Haylei had me in tears. I love the advice she gave about being honest and seeking help when needed. I wish that Alisa had been able to do this for herself. 🕯
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everything about this channel is 100% what a true crime channel should be
I just wish more people would give credit where credit is due - to Dateline, where this channel gets a ton of footage.
“Cold blooded killer” but all she did was protect her daughter.
She put her daughter in that position in the first place though. Of course we should protect our kids but we should also know better than to put them in danger in the first place. She's not some kind of saint and it's weird to act like she's just an innocent victim in all this.
She did kill in cold blood - she could have left with her daughter. This was not the same thing as self defense that happens in the moment as you are being attacked. My heart goes out to the mother - she made a lot of bad choices and was in trouble a lot, but she obviously had a tenderness for her daughter. Ultimately, we can't take the law into our own hands as civilians and murder another, yes in cold blood.
Classic feminist comment she WAS a cold blooded killer
@@Monstrosity993fr lol
@@Monstrosity993fax
Those tv lawyer ads are gold😂
I went to school w a girl whose father has been THE ambulance chaser here for the past 30+yrs. She got mad fun of pretty badly 😅
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@@elsvaughn795980’s and 90’s it was normal to have those types of small town ads on tv. It was hilarious. One kids family owned a funeral home. She got asked all kinds of odd questions.
I went to Highschool with Sarah Dutra. She was our senior class president. Never in my wildest imagination would I picture Sarah would take this road in life. Just goes to show you don't know people.
At our last HS reunion we weren't allowed to talk about her.
Not allowing free speech for adults at a reunion is crazy.
Freedom of speech
You should be proud of her. She helped a woman live an abuse free life.
Really? I would prefer ppl to not gossip about me at a reunion of murdered. @@Karla-mq8oi
@@VK_BeautifulLifeyeah right ! Go down what road is this person referring to?
I know she was a con artist, and even a murderer, but she was being abused by her husband and so is her daughter. I think if she wouldn't have killed herself, then maybe she could got a pretty lax sentence. Sadly, her criminal background probably would have prevented that.
She killed somebody
If she was such a good person why did she change her identity so many times? Why did her daughter turn her in? Stop it!
@@filthypagan3639killing to protect yourself and your kid from abuse is not the same as killing for fun.
@@filthypagan3639she literally said that she knows that in the very first sentence of her comment.
I know you’ve got some asshats in the comments but I agree with you.
Best friends DO NOT buy matching underwear and sleep in the same bed together. They were obviously in a relationship together.
Me and my best friend do this... We're not lovers.
Not everyone does this but, like... It's not OBVIOUS they were in a relationship.
I thought that at first too and then I realized that me and my best friend do all of that stuff. She's literally my best friend, of course we're going to basically be twins and do everything together. Some people are platonic soul mates, not romantic ones.
My ex best friend and I used to buy matching everything from underwear to clothes and shoes and we did sleep in the same bed together sometimes but there was never anything sexual about it. We weren't lovers.
Okay that's not common for straight adult women though lol
I have a friend like that. You start buying same cloths and end up same underwear too.
Every time I watch one of these videos I'm always blown and heartbroken for all the kids that are involved at such a young age. Please keep up with these amazing videos!!!
How does somebody go about life and even go to jail with a false identity? It seems like you have to prove your identity for many things in life.
This woman was not all evil,she loved her daughter never harmed her physical.,sad story all round.
Taking someone's life is always wrong and sometimes horribly wrong. That being said this man sounds like he needed his life removed from him
38 identities is crazy! 🥴
🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
She was incredibly intelligent. You'd have to be to remember all those names, birthdays, social security numbers. I'm barely getting by with one identity.
Pretty sane if youre evading a killer
You can tell the most horrible story, but your voice is so calm, and you end with such a positive note that I love your videos.
Wow, this one made me very emotional. Mental illness is complicated, but the unconditional love between Mother & Daughter is real.
“They had dinner together, living together, sleeping in the same room together, bought matching underwear together… they were best friends”
"To the point Elisa slept with her best friend more often than Larry"
yeah, and historians will call them best friends, roommates, colleagues...
What an absolutely insane story. Remarkable. I live about half hour out from brooksville too this completely blew me away.
She could have said he died suddenly and declined an autopsy. No hiding, no running.
She made a lot of bad decisions
The balance of narration , and footage / interviews is wildly perfect.
I love everything about your videos
3:05 side note completely unrelated to the video but who else remembered Saul Goodman when they saw the commercial 😂 it’s his exact style just more realistic and tamed down
One HELL of a story! Haley, i’m sorry for what you went through, your mom, just everything. i’m elated your life turned out well.
I have watched a lot of true crime and nothing has brought me to tears like that letter.
Lauren’s AKA Elisa’s letter to Haylei made me bawl my eyes out. I could tell that it was so genuine and really showed how much she loved her daughter and regretted everything she put her through and hated that she was unable to provide any kind stability in her life. She tried her best in my opinion considering the circumstances. I do wish things could have been different for both of them. I never relate to anyone who murdered someone but for some reason that I can’t put my finger on I have a lot of empathy for Elisa..Idk maybe I’m crazy. She did end someone’s life and I obviously don’t agree with that but I do feel and understand how things got to where they did I guess. My heart hurts most of all for Haylei. 💔
Very sad case. And Haley your mum would be so proud of you .We can never change our past but can change our future. And it's great to see you have done so well in all aspects of your life
What a sad story this was! At least Haylei changed the course of her life-what a WONDERFUL HUMAN, she is!❤❤❤
The letter she wrote made me tear up 😭
I’m crying at the letter Elisa wrote her daughter.
ty for uploading all of these videos for us unseen! u really are the best with this stuff
She protected her daughter what's so bad about that part??? So the man who abused a woman and her daughter isn't at fault??? Women who kill their abusers should never go to prison
You should upload more, i like your videos.
I am absolutely amazed at the quality of your videos. So compassionate and moving. Look forward to seeing you reach 1 million. It will be so well deserved. Blessings to you and yours.
She really wasnt a good mother, her daughter lived in constant anxiety worrying abt her & living a life on the run. She had stable parents that could assist her but chose to be a thief & con artist intead of looking 4 a stable job & raising her daughter peacefully. She also could have left her husband but chose to kill him
I agree,the mother and Larry were both toxic horrible people,no sympathy for them,glad haylei is doing well
That has to be the best but saddest letter ever
I started crying when hailey was grieving to her mom..
Oh ya! I'd definitely catch a charge protecting my family!
I lived with my alcoholic mom who always tried to be a great mom but…when I was 14 I ended up going to live with my sister while my Dad worked in Chicago…the unstableness of daily life with my mom was scary, I learned stability and dependability from my sister and did well for decades but once my divorce came about I went through that instability for a couple years and fully regret putting my kids through those years, my kids were very fortunate that their dad was a good father but I know I scarred my kids 😢
it’s not too late to be better for your children. don’t adopt a victim mentality
I’m glad her mother wrote her such a heart warming letter. I have no doubt that letter got Halei through some tough times. I’m so sorry your Mom took her life away from you!
The letter.... Can you imagine.
Wow.. all i can say is wow.. i have seen.. probably upwards of a few thousand true crime videos/documentaries an this one.. Thisss one.. is going to stay w/ me forever.. im not going to go into detail here but.. myself an this daughter, Now incredible mother have alot in common with our childhoods and in watching this she gives me so much inspiration to continue along my path to a brighter future.. As i too was asked to not let my past overcome me.. but to take everything i learned (both the good and bad) and use it as a lesson to become the amazing Mom and person that i am today.. You are truly incredible.. inspiring and heart warming when for a long time i didn't know my heart would ever be complete again.. Seriously you should have a book written! lol Continue to stay strong beautiful! Your Mom is so proud of you.. and so are the rest of us! just as i know my Mother would be of me.. Xoxo
Thank God that young woman made her life better in spite of what she went through
man this was so sad. I wish her mom didn't choose that ending. no matter how old we are, we always need our moms. sad story.
I needed to hear that letter. 😢 I hope we all make it through.
This is so tragic 😢. Hope the girl is okay
The girl will never be okay.
@@JrueThrondsenUm.. did you watch the video? She is doing wonderful. Sure she had something horrible happen to her, but she will be okay.
It's giving "goodbye earl" vibes. I'm so sorry for Hailey that she went through all that though and lost her mom. Glad she's doing so well. ❤️
"They were best friends" Bro, they were secret lovers😂!!
Omg for some reason i haven't had notifications for your last 2 videos i just saw this by chance, i was waiting for another video from u too 😊 well ive got 3 to watch now! Ill listen while cleaning this afternoon 😊 ❤ ya unseen!
Reading the wiki page I feel like some was left out about this. Like she stole identities of actual people
I also don’t believe the daughter’s self defence story. Her mom is a con artist and a sociopath.
@@shambolicrhetoric6143The guy was an alcoholic with a history of abusing women. Yes, she was a con artist but two things can be true at once.
@@melancolie83 a con artist, parasite and murderer actually
This gutted me in ways I was not expecting, quite honestly. Beautifully told story.
Haley is truly something special. And one thing that I hope she knows for sure is that despite her mom’s sickness ~ she clearly loved Haley with her entire soul. I almost feel like she sacrificed her life in the belief that continuing to live would hold Haley back. That, along with her decision to drop Haley off on the side of that road, was the most selfless, courageous thing that she had probably ever done in her life.
In hearing all sides of the story, I do feel as though there were definitely mitigating circumstances in this situation. It seems to me like she truly felt trapped, already had tons of years worth of trauma resting on her shoulders (even if some of it was self-induced trauma) and didn’t think there was any other option than what she and her cohort did to Larry. I think that she didn’t feel good about what she did. I don’t think she was a terrible person. I think she was just so very mixed up and continued living the only way she knew how to live.
There is such beauty in this story, although I am still mindful that a man’s life was taken.
I just feel this immense sense of pride, wonder and gratitude for the path that Haley chose to take for her own life. Her mama knew that her daughter was so incredibly special~ and she was right. Haley’s story is an amazing testimony for anyone who is able to listen to it. No matter where you come from, no matter what awful things may come your way throughout this crazy thing called life~ we can choose to do something different and do things that we might never have thought we could do.
Sorry for the long post~ I am just stunned at who Haley has become and how she has turned out. May God continue to bless this woman and her lovely family ~ she is deserving of all the beauty that she has created for herself.
In closing~ the words that her mother wrote to her was so much more than just a goodbye letter. It was a gift to her daughter and also the ultimate act of making amends in the only way she felt she had left.
Best friends sleeping together and buying matching underwear…. They was lovers😂
Being from Sacramento I remember his commercials and always wondered what happened to him. I know murder isn’t the answer but, I believe most of us would’ve killed behind our children too. Hailey sweetheart you were an innocent child and it wasn’t your responsibility I know that you feel like you failed but living a happy successful life is and will always be a win! 🙏🏽❤️
I couldn’t help but tear 😢up with the moms last letter to haylee
That was the most reassuring final letter. It was worded in a way that Haylei cam live a full life without blaming herself for what had happened to her mother.
I’m so sorry to that poor girl… 😢
One of the most powerful cases I've ever heard.
icl she did nothing wrong she just wanted to protect her daughter
Love the fact that we were formally introduced to Ralph, the dog.
Hard to dare to judge Knowing how conflicted that young woman's life had to be because of her mother, but Larry put her life in danger, and both were abused by him. I don't know, some part of me is wishing she tuck the decision let her go and not give her away. But I understand that maybe she was afraid after her mother had already crossed that line, wondering if she was capable of doing it again, and even for love feel the need to stop her. I accept that everything is more complicated than I could ever understand.
According to her. His side of the story is missing for some reason - oh yeah, she killed him.
That letter had me bawling. I truly feel through all her mistakes and everything she could’ve done better, at the end of the day she did it for her baby. She clearly was very mentally ill and needed help long ago- but I think everything she did is what she felt she had to. It was all for her.
That’s so much trauma to handle, I’m so glad she’s doing okay.
Even thought that woman was a bad person she left the most beautiful note
One thing she did great was raising this amazing human. I hope your life is always good going forward sweet Hailey ❤
I think the two women were more than just friends 🤔
It’s amazing how differently the same crime can be covered. I’ve heard this story before told by someone else on RUclips.
The focus was on Elisa’s and Sarah’s relationship, both at work and personal.
According to that channel they were more than just co workers and completely drained Larry’s business out of money by committing fraud and forgery and spent his money on luxuries for themselves.
And here the focus is on Larry and how bad he was, and the woman is almost a hero, who was protecting her daughter at all cost.
So.. who knows what the truth really was.🤷♀️
The letter made my cry
Idk man. I’m actually torn on this one. Elisa seemed to have a bad go from the start and I don’t think she would’ve committed m.urder if her daughter hadn’t been attacked. I think if she hadn’t taken her own life she could’ve gotten paroled after time served and been properly rehabilitated. It’s great to see her daughter thriving though despite how chaotic her early years were.
Protecting her daughter isn’t all she did. She was a crook, stole others identity
It’s hard to believe anything she says with her previous history and the amount of identities she’s had, she’s practically spent her entire life lying
Yep. I'm no psychologist but I think it's safe to say that mom was a sociopath. Whether it was sincere or not, if the letter that she wrote helped her poor daughter heal, then I guess I can give her credit for that. The poor girl was the only adult in this mess. The daughter seems to have turned out rather well, considering.
the way this is so close to home is insane!!
This is like real life Georgia and Ginny. really sad story but just like this real life version the mother just wants to protect her daughter. I feel so sorry for the daughter.
Haley I believe you saved your mama and yourself for the life that you're living today. Your Mama would be proud of you ❤
man it seems people have more sympathy for the mom than the poor daughter. 😕 not only did she have any chance at a normal and safe childhood taken away because of the selfishness of her only parent, but she was eventually just abandoned on the side of the road like garbage then forced to live with this horrific trauma for the rest of her life, all alone. she grew up in constant terror, danger, craziness and paranoia, surrounded by abuse, lies and unchecked mental illness. never having any actual friends or roots anywhere. no fun memories with friends or family. no one to ever turn to, being forced to become the mom to *her* mother as a small child. then instead of just packing up and leaving the man who abused and threatened her daughter for years like she did 100 times before, she murders him, tells her child, throws her out on the street and makes her live with the guilt of having to turn the only person she has in the world in to the police knowing she’d get life or even the death penalty. i mean come on guys. the daughter is the one still suffering.
Facts. The mother was horrible.
But we're also seeing how the daughter still loves her anf keeps her in her heart.
Thank you! All these people saying she was such a great, loving mom. While she parentified her child in the worst way. There were grandparents who could have taken care of her child. She could have worked on treating her mental illness. Plus, I’ve seen this case covered years ago, and iirc, Elisa and Sarah had embezzled a lot of money from Larry’s law office, from the account that was supposed to pay out to clients who won their case. Larry was an abusive asshole, but they really planned his murder to cover up their theft. And Elisa killed herself rather than face what she did, and left her child to pick up the pieces. And in the letter, she showed she knew what she needed to do, and hadn’t done.
I do feel for the mom, but I’m confused about why she did all that just to go on the run and go back to shoplifting anyway. Seems like she could’ve just emptied the bank account and dipped with a new identity, no murder needed. Or just let them find him and think he drank himself to death. The logic just isn’t making sense to me
This! Thank you for pointing out exactly what I was thinking. Completely agree with you.
That final note DESTROYED me.
There is NO doubt about the love that woman had for her daughter... The letter at the end had me 😭😭 NGL
Call the cops and don’t be a manipulative sociopath putting your children in bad situations if you ACTUALLY “love” your daughter.
This case is one giant contradiction. Her daughter loves her but snitches her out. Sending her to her death… then the mom is a dishonorable witch by rolling on the friend she tangled up in her bs. 🤦♀️
Exactly my thoughts! Everyone saying she protected her daughter too! Smh! She's the one who cut her house arrest bracelet and went on the run with her 8yo child! Then gets with an abusive drunk and stays bc he was rich! She's selfish and drug her daughter thru the mud! Then took her own life bc she always ran from her problems! A good mother would have faced her punishment for the crime she committed and let her parents help raise her daughter while she faced them. The trauma and anxiety she fully caused her child is very sad.
@@sweetie523out of all the perp i felt most compassion for the mother, even with getting financial stability with an abuser, conning, it was all to support her daughter. However, when u killed someone, there is this contradict i think transpired within her mind that she needs to support her daughter but also she is concerned and shocked of what she did. Then, her daughter told the police what happened because her mother was so mentally ill because of the uneasy feeling of covering the truth. Hence, her daughter's action was to release her mother from the weight despite that felt like a betrayal...very sad story
Kudos to Haylei for doing the right thing. It must have been a very difficult decision for her to make at such a young age. Despite all the MANY mistakes that Alyssa made (including murdering the man who laid his hands on Haylei)... Alyssa still managed to raise a level-headed, intelligent, caring daughter. Haylei is a perfect example of not having to let your past define you, and that a bad childhood doesn't excuse bad behavior.
UNSEEN is the best channel on RUclips!
Damn.. this is the first case where I’ve been genuinely impressed and sympathetic for them. Wow.
I'm Always wondering 2:04 about those who discover dead bodies how do they recover such a horrific discovery 😮😢
Tears started pouring with the mom’s letter. WTF!
PLEASE make videos more frequently!!
i freaking love this channel its one of my utmost favs. thanks for all your hard work and dedication
Oh my god they were roommates.
A couple of gals bein pals.
Just a couple of besties.
What? What does Sappho have to do with this?
Jfc
That letter got me ugly crying, my god.
Larry is Saul Goodman 😂
That was an incredible story. What a brave child she was. You do feel very sorry for her mom. She desperately needed psychological intervention.
"So, I'm under arrest now?"
"Uh, yeah. That's kinda how this homicide thing works."
"They were best friends" oh my sister in Christ, no baby, no. 😂