I'd be really happy even if they limited that sensor to 4K, but these days for marketing purposes the 6K seems minimum, otherwise people would complain.
From all the footage you've posted agree the BM FF sensor has a great look.There seems to be a lot of misconception regarding dynamic range and braw etc. Many of the negative comments parrot claimed specs of other brands without actually using the BM camera.
This is why im happy with my 6K full frame and the form factor isnt enough reason for me to upgrade. Blackmagic has done a good job listening to customers requirements but also accidently showing the stupidity of RUclips Filmmaking Influencers 😂 1 year old camera in fresh body = tons of “gamechanging camera” click bait titles” from the same influencers that bashed the camera 1 year ago. This is why i prefer to form my own opinions and were lucky now as most cameras in the last 3-4 years are capable of delivering a master piece in the right hands.
Really enjoying my Pyxis so far. I stepped away from Blackmagic for a while but very glad to be back. After shooting red for a year and dealing with those limitations, the limits of the FF sensor don’t bother me at all. Just excited to do some real shoots with it here soon.
I'd choose BRaw over prores any day of the week, and I really don't get the complaints about not being a "true raw" because in most ways, its way better than prores. I really like the pyxis, I have no complaints about the read out speed, its fine, what I'm truly disappointed and sure I know how to light my scenes but the ISO performance on the 6K FF/ Pyxis is not charming, one of the advantages of having a FF sensor is not present on that sensor, shame really, its not the end of the world, again, proper lighting and that ISO performance is irrelevant. The form factor and build quality of the Pyxis, for my kind of work would be fantastic really, like a mini ursa, in shape obviously, something I'm not a fan of the 6K FF, I get the form factor but its a little to big for me to have that form factor, its a little awkward in certain cases, It's not like the P4K which has the same form factor but way smaller, I'll be adding the Pyxis when the time is right as a companion to my Komodo, either as an A or B cam depending on the job. The L Mount is the right choice too, so many great lenses to adapt and even first party ones, fantastic really, great video Matteo, and nice watch ;)
Been following your content for a while. I really love how you call out the nonsense and give your true opinions. I've been a sony guy my whole career. Mainly because of the low-light capabilities. But theres something special about the look coming out of Blackmagic cameras that kept catching my eye. Sony has always felt a little plastic/videoy to me, but it was great for "getting the job done". As I'm maturing in my career, I'm starting to get more into the importance of color science and skin tones over low light. Its great to rely on the 12,800 iso on my a7Siii in a pinch, but I've realized I started to rely on it a little too much, making me a little lazy when lighting a scene properly. I almost bought the BMPCC 6K FF many times, but the form factor kept me from making the move. Now that the same sensor is in the new premium-built box shape, I decided to pull the trigger and get the Pyxis. This will be my first BM camera, so I'm excited to see what I can do with it! Oh and great call on the L-mount, much more versatility!
One of the complaints when the new full-frame black magic camera was released was that the image was similar to the old super35 sensor, and that both of these cameras did not produce an organic image, but rather gave a cheaper and "flat" image. But is this true in your experience of using and editing? I mean, we're talking about a sensor. This sensor also stands in the Kinefinity 6k camera, which everyone praises for its "film organic" image.
@@IlyaPodnebesmiy i am sorry, but who said that? For sure someone that never used a Blackmagic camera in their entire life. I highly recommend you to check out my past videos shot on those cameras and judge by yourself. Unfortunately there are a lot of complete amateurs out there (especially on RUclips) that call themselves filmmakers.
So glad to hear your opinion on the Pyxis. I'm sticking with my BMCC 6K FF and BMPCC 6K Pro. I love the look and I've come to enjoy the flexibility of just grabbing them without a rig. Oh... and I love the price. I got the FF when they were on sale for only $1500. :)
@@머리속에수레바퀴 Both are great cameras, so the choice comes down to the lenses you plan to use, where you plan to shoot and whether you need ProRes. The FF does not record in ProRes, so keep that in mind. I always use BRAW, so that isn't a factor. When I'm outside, I prefer the Pro because of the simplicity of the built-in ND filters, but if you have a good set of easy to use filters, then it comes down to lenses and aspect ratios. The FF has a much wider range of lens options and aspect ratios so you can shoot wide open and crop all sorts of ways. I don't have any anamorphic lenses, but if I did, the FF would be an even bigger choice. I use the FF in my studio because I keep the camera pretty close to my face with a simple 24mm lens. The same lens on the Pro would need to be much further away because of the crop.
Thank you Matteo for creating such useful content for those of us considering buying a PYXIS. Your hands-on experience and detailed explanations are exactly what we needed. I can’t believe how noisy is this FF sensor in low light! Keep up the great work 🔥
The one thing that the Cinema 6K/Pyxis miss for me is a slightly faster readout. I don't need 120fps, but my minimum is 50-60fps in max resolution of the camera. I'm still rocking with the Pocket 4K, but I will be adding the Ursa Broadcast G2 to my kit for the 6K resolution and a much easier body to handle and rig.
BM sensors have some "curve kind of thing" in the highlight rolloff that make it so smooth even without diffusion filters. Compared for example with the DJI cameras that they feel too digital to me. You're basically shooting towad the sun and the transition to clipping part looks so smooth.
@@dreamancyfilms yes, mainly true in the Pockets/6K FF, Ursa is a bit different, more info in the shadows so you have to expose differently, but still looks fantastic
I agree with most of what you said. This is a strictly 400 iso production camera. I think the image is arguably the best out of any camera ive seen from blackmagic other tham some ursa models. Secon iso is NOT vvery usable in my experience like you said. So if you are gonna be shooting with avaiblable light in dark places, avoid this camera.
Hi Matteo, we met in Ferrara in 2022. The paradox of Pyxis, at least for me, is that now I prefer the old form factor of the cinema 6K FF. If you want an easier camera, lighter, with a good built in monitor and with the same picture quality the 6K FF it's better. This is the first release and maybe in the next evolution we'll see a better sensor, ND or something like dual card recording that make me want to switch to the Pyxis. If you don't need to rig too much the 6K FF it's a better choice and even cheaper.
Ahah yeah for most of the stuff I do the 6Kk ff body is simply perfect. Ultra light, ready to shoot. I shot my latest documentary just like that. It’s for sure good to have a full production camera like the 12K for bigger stuff :)
Hello Mateo. Do you think it is worth buying the 12k OG versus the Pyxis for narrative work. I know the answer is yes but do you think the difference justifies the difference in price? Also looking at the Komodo X. What do you think? Thank you.
@@showreelseafins7364 i think the price difference is not that much. A used 12K goes for 3.5/4k euros I think. The image out of the Ursa 12K is truly incredible. Yes, easily comparable to an Arri Alexa. It has a bit of weight, but that also helps with getting stable footage and there is a way to keep it very light. Pyxis is amazing for sure, but the Ursa footage is just something else.
@@1bertoimagemaker i don’t know why people keep comparing it to blackmagic. It’s doesn’t shoot internal raw, doesn’t even shoot 4k internal prores. You always need an external recorder and even there, from the footage I graded it doesn’t come even close to Blackmagic.
I'd be more interested if there was a S25 model. Even if it was with the old 6K sensor. I have the Broadcast G2 with a bunch of mounts. It's great but it's formfactor and weight is not always great.
Excellent points! Been looking to buy the BMCC 6K FF, but you mentioned it’s not the best for sports. Which I shoot from time to time. But maybe it’s a bad investment? Currently have a Lumix S5 Thanks
@@matteobertoli yes I saw that, it looked great. Maybe i should go for Sony instead but the IQ of black magic is incredible so I think I have to buy it haha
Question to the comment who asked BRAW is not a real RAW if so What is RED RAW ? That too visually compressed RAW or someone need C-DNG RAW or Uncompressed RAW ? Which requires a super computer to playback or post?
I don't understand English very well, but what you're saying is that the bmcc 6k ff sensor seems to be better than the pocket 6k, right? (Except for noise processing function)
It definitely seems like the state of the current Pyxis is just a transition phase to roll the new body out. They focused on the new body and used an older (but good) sensor. But the actual sensor they envisioned the camera with, that will be specifically made for the Pyxis, I assume is just around the corner. Kinda feels like when I bought the Pocket 4k and a few months later the 6K was introduced 😆
Manufacture Color science only matters if you are using the out of the camera color with rec709 slapped on. If you do any color grading at all, it's out the window. Any camera with a log image can match any other camera with a log image.. no one should buy a camera based on "color science" unless thet never plan on doing any post color work
@@Milan-cf1xe yes, like i said.. if you are just using the camera for an AS IS picture, and dont do any color grading, then factory color science is a big deal.. but if you do any color grading at all, it doesnt matter
@@dp_zee you have a completely different idea of what color grading is. And definitely A LOT of time. Except for this, I disagree. Different cameras/sensors have different color science. You can try to match a camera in case of a multi cam shoot? Absolutely. But saying buying whatever camera and the image is the same with some color grading is just a lie.
@@dp_zee There is a difference in Color Grading and Color Correction. If you have to tweak the image a lot in order to get a good starting point before the color grading, it costs time and money.
Waiting for gen 2 pyxis, maybe with the exist sRGB sensor Ursa Mini Pro 12K, but just 6K with faster speed, with articulating screen, with better CFExpress card sloty (maybe not at the back, but behind the articulating screen) so we can get better batterry mount at the back (still sony BPU, but better placement like Komodo X)
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Totally agree. If they use their 12K FF sensor but limit it to 8k for the next version, that would be a power move from them !
@@krmparysee5958 i’ll be incredibly happy even with the s35 ursa sensor to be honest :)
Even 6K man, that would be freaking awesome.
I'd be really happy even if they limited that sensor to 4K, but these days for marketing purposes the 6K seems minimum, otherwise people would complain.
@@Siimkristjanpariis Gyro data + 6K is a sweet spot honestly.
You can’t downscale braw, it’s not like prores where you can downscale
From all the footage you've posted agree the BM FF sensor has a great look.There seems to be a lot of misconception regarding dynamic range and braw etc. Many of the negative comments parrot claimed specs of other brands without actually using the BM camera.
@@csound55 because they believed when sony claimed 14 stops on the a7s ii that that was actually true.
This is why im happy with my 6K full frame and the form factor isnt enough reason for me to upgrade.
Blackmagic has done a good job listening to customers requirements but also accidently showing the stupidity of RUclips Filmmaking Influencers 😂
1 year old camera in fresh body = tons of “gamechanging camera” click bait titles” from the same influencers that bashed the camera 1 year ago.
This is why i prefer to form my own opinions and were lucky now as most cameras in the last 3-4 years are capable of delivering a master piece in the right hands.
Really enjoying my Pyxis so far. I stepped away from Blackmagic for a while but very glad to be back. After shooting red for a year and dealing with those limitations, the limits of the FF sensor don’t bother me at all. Just excited to do some real shoots with it here soon.
Guess I will keep my 6k g2 modified to full frame and watch the used market for the 12k. We are in the golden age of camera tech.
The 6kFF is awesome. I don't need more
I'd choose BRaw over prores any day of the week, and I really don't get the complaints about not being a "true raw" because in most ways, its way better than prores. I really like the pyxis, I have no complaints about the read out speed, its fine, what I'm truly disappointed and sure I know how to light my scenes but the ISO performance on the 6K FF/ Pyxis is not charming, one of the advantages of having a FF sensor is not present on that sensor, shame really, its not the end of the world, again, proper lighting and that ISO performance is irrelevant.
The form factor and build quality of the Pyxis, for my kind of work would be fantastic really, like a mini ursa, in shape obviously, something I'm not a fan of the 6K FF, I get the form factor but its a little to big for me to have that form factor, its a little awkward in certain cases, It's not like the P4K which has the same form factor but way smaller, I'll be adding the Pyxis when the time is right as a companion to my Komodo, either as an A or B cam depending on the job.
The L Mount is the right choice too, so many great lenses to adapt and even first party ones, fantastic really, great video Matteo, and nice watch ;)
@@AndyLSB agree. I think the Pyxis is like a Ferrari with the engine of a BMW. I’ll seriously think about one when it can at least shoots 4K 120p 😂
I love my 6K G2.
I might wait for a Pyxis G2 as well
Been following your content for a while. I really love how you call out the nonsense and give your true opinions. I've been a sony guy my whole career. Mainly because of the low-light capabilities. But theres something special about the look coming out of Blackmagic cameras that kept catching my eye. Sony has always felt a little plastic/videoy to me, but it was great for "getting the job done".
As I'm maturing in my career, I'm starting to get more into the importance of color science and skin tones over low light. Its great to rely on the 12,800 iso on my a7Siii in a pinch, but I've realized I started to rely on it a little too much, making me a little lazy when lighting a scene properly.
I almost bought the BMPCC 6K FF many times, but the form factor kept me from making the move. Now that the same sensor is in the new premium-built box shape, I decided to pull the trigger and get the Pyxis. This will be my first BM camera, so I'm excited to see what I can do with it! Oh and great call on the L-mount, much more versatility!
One of the complaints when the new full-frame black magic camera was released was that the image was similar to the old super35 sensor, and that both of these cameras did not produce an organic image, but rather gave a cheaper and "flat" image. But is this true in your experience of using and editing? I mean, we're talking about a sensor. This sensor also stands in the Kinefinity 6k camera, which everyone praises for its "film organic" image.
@@IlyaPodnebesmiy i am sorry, but who said that? For sure someone that never used a Blackmagic camera in their entire life. I highly recommend you to check out my past videos shot on those cameras and judge by yourself. Unfortunately there are a lot of complete amateurs out there (especially on RUclips) that call themselves filmmakers.
So glad to hear your opinion on the Pyxis. I'm sticking with my BMCC 6K FF and BMPCC 6K Pro. I love the look and I've come to enjoy the flexibility of just grabbing them without a rig. Oh... and I love the price. I got the FF when they were on sale for only $1500. :)
@AskJoe Which are you recommend between 6k ff and 6k pro??
@@머리속에수레바퀴 Both are great cameras, so the choice comes down to the lenses you plan to use, where you plan to shoot and whether you need ProRes. The FF does not record in ProRes, so keep that in mind. I always use BRAW, so that isn't a factor. When I'm outside, I prefer the Pro because of the simplicity of the built-in ND filters, but if you have a good set of easy to use filters, then it comes down to lenses and aspect ratios. The FF has a much wider range of lens options and aspect ratios so you can shoot wide open and crop all sorts of ways. I don't have any anamorphic lenses, but if I did, the FF would be an even bigger choice. I use the FF in my studio because I keep the camera pretty close to my face with a simple 24mm lens. The same lens on the Pro would need to be much further away because of the crop.
Thank you Matteo for creating such useful content for those of us considering buying a PYXIS. Your hands-on experience and detailed explanations are exactly what we needed. I can’t believe how noisy is this FF sensor in low light!
Keep up the great work 🔥
@@NicolaBianchiDP thank you! Yes unfortunately is much noisier than the Pocket 6K. It’s a bummer!
The one thing that the Cinema 6K/Pyxis miss for me is a slightly faster readout. I don't need 120fps, but my minimum is 50-60fps in max resolution of the camera. I'm still rocking with the Pocket 4K, but I will be adding the Ursa Broadcast G2 to my kit for the 6K resolution and a much easier body to handle and rig.
BM sensors have some "curve kind of thing" in the highlight rolloff that make it so smooth even without diffusion filters. Compared for example with the DJI cameras that they feel too digital to me. You're basically shooting towad the sun and the transition to clipping part looks so smooth.
@@dreamancyfilms yes, mainly true in the Pockets/6K FF, Ursa is a bit different, more info in the shadows so you have to expose differently, but still looks fantastic
I have a panasonic, but this (Blackmagic PYXIS ) camera is a serious challenge for me, but without autofocus
@@ШотаГоголи that’s right. In facts nobody was shooting videos before auto focus 😜
Great video! I was wondering, are you going to review the Ursa Cine?
@@zinique8325 no unfortunately, that’s such an overkill camera for me.
Still shooting everything on a pocket 4k. There was no need to upgrate yet...
I agree with most of what you said. This is a strictly 400 iso production camera. I think the image is arguably the best out of any camera ive seen from blackmagic other tham some ursa models. Secon iso is NOT vvery usable in my experience like you said. So if you are gonna be shooting with avaiblable light in dark places, avoid this camera.
Hi Matteo, we met in Ferrara in 2022. The paradox of Pyxis, at least for me, is that now I prefer the old form factor of the cinema 6K FF. If you want an easier camera, lighter, with a good built in monitor and with the same picture quality the 6K FF it's better. This is the first release and maybe in the next evolution we'll see a better sensor, ND or something like dual card recording that make me want to switch to the Pyxis. If you don't need to rig too much the 6K FF it's a better choice and even cheaper.
Ahah yeah for most of the stuff I do the 6Kk ff body is simply perfect. Ultra light, ready to shoot. I shot my latest documentary just like that. It’s for sure good to have a full production camera like the 12K for bigger stuff :)
Hello Mateo. Do you think it is worth buying the 12k OG versus the Pyxis for narrative work. I know the answer is yes but do you think the difference justifies the difference in price? Also looking at the Komodo X. What do you think? Thank you.
@@showreelseafins7364 i think the price difference is not that much. A used 12K goes for 3.5/4k euros I think. The image out of the Ursa 12K is truly incredible. Yes, easily comparable to an Arri Alexa. It has a bit of weight, but that also helps with getting stable footage and there is a way to keep it very light. Pyxis is amazing for sure, but the Ursa footage is just something else.
Matteo, did you use the Lumix S5IIX? How is the S5IIX image compared with blackmagic?
@@1bertoimagemaker i don’t know why people keep comparing it to blackmagic. It’s doesn’t shoot internal raw, doesn’t even shoot 4k internal prores. You always need an external recorder and even there, from the footage I graded it doesn’t come even close to Blackmagic.
Another great video Matteo
I'd be more interested if there was a S25 model. Even if it was with the old 6K sensor.
I have the Broadcast G2 with a bunch of mounts. It's great but it's formfactor and weight is not always great.
Excellent points!
Been looking to buy the BMCC 6K FF, but you mentioned it’s not the best for sports. Which I shoot from time to time. But maybe it’s a bad investment?
Currently have a Lumix S5
Thanks
BMPCC6K rolling shutter wasn’t that great neither, but I shot sport and a Mercedes commercial and I was happy with the footage.
@@matteobertoli yes I saw that, it looked great.
Maybe i should go for Sony instead but the IQ of black magic is incredible so I think I have to buy it haha
@@alexanderjohanssonamigos I guess the rolling shutter is very comparable to the Lumix S5. So in terms of that you will have a similar experience.
@@Milan-cf1xe you’re right! Will probably give it a go
Going to order a Pyxis, sensor won’t be on par with the Ursa lines but that is to be expected. The Ursa FF will be 5x the price. 🤷🏻♂️
@@fullbars that’s the FF tho. A used Ursa 12K will probably go for $3,000 now.
@@matteobertoli would agree that the Ursa 12k is a better buy except for anamorphic shooting. Sensor is 17:9 so no 3:2 capture.
@@fullbars yes you lose 3:2, but the image is much better and you have high frame rates. Depends what you need!
@@matteobertoli Damn you got me thinking. Have a 12k rig video? 😎
@@fullbars i don’t even rig it. I have a viewfinder, rods with follow focus and a vmount in the back :) I think i have something online
Question to the comment who asked BRAW is not a real RAW if so What is RED RAW ? That too visually compressed RAW or someone need C-DNG RAW or Uncompressed RAW ? Which requires a super computer to playback or post?
@@arunr4103 people say a lot of weird things. This one has been around for a while. I don’t even know what they meant to be honest.
I don't understand English very well, but what you're saying is that the bmcc 6k ff sensor seems to be better than the pocket 6k, right? (Except for noise processing function)
The opposite
@matteobertoli Then 6k and 6k pro sensor better than 6k ff sensor? You recommend 6k, 6k pro than 6k ff?
@@머리속에수레바퀴for me yes, the big plus of the 6K ff is of course no crop. Depends what you need
How do u go about exposing for your 6k ff
@@jaysnappsmediallc there is a video on my channel about false colors and exposing. That’s all I do :)
Thank You Mateteo for saying this loud, yes 6k EF looks me much better than Full Frame L mount sensor
HONEST, like you've never been before?
Better make it always clear since there is a lot crap out there ;)
It definitely seems like the state of the current Pyxis is just a transition phase to roll the new body out.
They focused on the new body and used an older (but good) sensor.
But the actual sensor they envisioned the camera with, that will be specifically made for the Pyxis, I assume is just around the corner.
Kinda feels like when I bought the Pocket 4k and a few months later the 6K was introduced 😆
@@JoshSher_ yeah I was definitely expecting an in house sensor for the Pyxis. For sure in the future
Yes, there is a cheaper camera. Lumix S5II
@@juanenco doesn’t shoot internal raw. Actually it doesn’t even shoot prores in 4k
Yeah. I mean 6K opengate 3:2
@@juanenco codec is way more important then resolution
Manufacture Color science only matters if you are using the out of the camera color with rec709 slapped on. If you do any color grading at all, it's out the window. Any camera with a log image can match any other camera with a log image.. no one should buy a camera based on "color science" unless thet never plan on doing any post color work
Wow you have a lot of time for post...
A camera that gives you good colors out of the box or a good starting point saves you time and money
@@Milan-cf1xe yes, like i said.. if you are just using the camera for an AS IS picture, and dont do any color grading, then factory color science is a big deal.. but if you do any color grading at all, it doesnt matter
@@dp_zee you have a completely different idea of what color grading is. And definitely A LOT of time. Except for this, I disagree. Different cameras/sensors have different color science. You can try to match a camera in case of a multi cam shoot? Absolutely. But saying buying whatever camera and the image is the same with some color grading is just a lie.
@@dp_zee There is a difference in Color Grading and Color Correction. If you have to tweak the image a lot in order to get a good starting point before the color grading, it costs time and money.
Waiting for gen 2 pyxis, maybe with the exist sRGB sensor Ursa Mini Pro 12K, but just 6K with faster speed, with articulating screen, with better CFExpress card sloty (maybe not at the back, but behind the articulating screen) so we can get better batterry mount at the back (still sony BPU, but better placement like Komodo X)