If you want to use just analog, you can with that controller. I've done it with the latest Street Fighter. As for what you should buy, that's a choice you have to make.@@ryanl17_
You actually can remap the buttons or change the overall sensitivity of the d-pad without using a PC. There is a button on the face of the controller for this purpose. This is discussed in the physical manual that comes in the box but not in the online information as far as I could see.
Ah yes this is true. I didn’t mention it because the video was getting too long but yes, the assign button handles these functions but sadly doesn’t allow profile swapping without a pc
@@NihongoGamer Man , I'm not playing in this year , however my main difficult using control is one thing which is kind hard to perform in dpad : the small jump in SNK fighting games as Last Blade and or KOF , what do you think , this kind of dpad is better to small jumps in SNK fighting games as Last Blade and or KOF ?
Then i must be stupid because the instructions might as well be written in Chinese, i'd like to see an online video showing one how to setup, i have COD modern warfare II ready to go on steam but the thing's on but unresponsive
10:23 Thank you so much of mentioning this. It took me so much time and reading throght reddit threads to know about that way of handling a D-pad. This could have saved my thumb in Strive a long ago haha.
I agree, like it needs the first commander d-pad in this new commander and it's perfect. Having the L3 and R3 as options on the left side in addition to R1 and R2 is perfect for fighting games. Makes tekken REALLY interesting to play on it with all the combinations you can add to it.
@@MrHanzo507No, it’s not. The stick is meant for platformers. I have the controller and using it for a game like streetfighters is no different than using a normal stick.
@@JayFox128 it is! I have the Octa fightpad too and I play with the stick (even with my normal ps4 controller) and it works great, if it isn't working for you is cuz you're not a stick player, you're more a d-pad player, so you need a different controller like the Victrix Pro that has a better d-pad. These are fightpads, nothing is meant for platformers here. Theres is the regular dualshock 4/dualsense controller for that. At the end it's a prefference thing man. I have this controller and I have no complaints about it.
THX! Yes, pads have been killing my left thumb painfully. That's why I'm using heavy pro Hori Arcade Fighting Sticks. This Hori pad is still fun though!
NG I love the depth of your reviews! In this vid you talked a bit about the disadvantage of pad vs stick. I've always struggled to find a controller which doesn't make me feel restricted somehow. Using stick I find dashing one direction is more awkward than the other, for example. Do you have a video that talks more in depth about different controller setups and translating human mechanics efficiently? Ultimately I'm willing to invest in a top tier controller to give SF6 solid romp but not sure where to land.
What an awesome video. Im a guile main in SF6 and love the dpad if you use it properly (how you suggest in the video). Lots of options with this controller on how you want to hold it (over hand vs traditional, dpad vs analog). So far no real issues with it (have about 200 hours in SF6). Controller still going strong.
You should review the VICTRIX PRO BFG WIRELESS Controller. It a very high end and expensive Fighting Game Pad Controller, and want to know if it's worth the price. Love the content btw, keep it up!
been binge watching all your videos lately and I have to say the outro music in this is is top tier. As a pad player and owner of multiple pad controllers hearing your input on these make me happy knowing it is not just me having certain issues with these controllers.
I bought this controller last minute at EVO last year because I ended up forgetting my controller at my hotel room when my match came up for Tekken 7. I love the buttons and the clickiness of them as my PS4 controller can have constant missed inputs, the only problem I had is that it’s not too great for Korean Backdashing and had a lot of FHCF missed inputs as well (crucial for a King main) maybe I just suck at using this controller though 😂 My buddy likes it for playing GG Strive though, and It does feel nice playing claw-hand on it as well. Added bonus is that it’s wired so no having to desync after your match
This kind of d-pad is suposed to be used with that rocking motion, like you would do with a stick. Some old Sega Genesis pads actually had a threaded hole in the middle so you could screw a small arcade stick into it. I'd say stick to the dpad (no pun intended xd) on 2d games and use the analog octa stick for the 3d ones.
Just got mine and I love it. I honestly have no problem w the d pad, but the octo is the reason I bought it. I wouldn’t say it replaces an arcade stick, it’s truly an apples and oranges comparison, but it damn sure replaces my DualShock when playing fighters.
Thank you for putting out another video of this controller, but in the PS5 version. I hope Hori see this video and do take your suggestion into consideration of a Pro version of this controller. I do like the micro-switches buttons, but not so much of the other things on this controller as you mentioned in the video. D-pad is a bit too small for my liking. Make the d-pad a bit bigger, and whatever micro-switches in the buttons, put that in the d-pad. Put the micro-switches in the shoulder buttons as well. I don't use the joystick as much, but those who do would appreciates Hall-Effect sensors as that's the new wave on the market. I don't mind paying extra in exchange for a better overall controller that is durable and a joy to play with. Gamers are tired of going through controllers that feels cheap and don't last.
hmmmm yes all of this. The Fighting Commander Octa's every part is just a tiny bit short of perfect except the face buttons which are pretty much there.
One reason that some people switch to stick over pad is because of how often and easy it is to accidentally jump/jump forward/jump backward when attempting a quarter circle/half circle. Jumping when you don't intend to in a fighting game can be a dire mistake that will almost always be punished when facing a skilled player. I have an Xbox controller I used on PC that I modified to add ticks at the left and right, so I could feel that I was going too far during a half circle.
Great review on this controller especially about the ergonomics of it! I wonder if companies watch reviews like yours and make adjustments to their next versions because they certainly should. I take it you get sent a number of items to review and am curious if you've found any following sequential products with improvements you've touched upon? Have you considered making physical adjustments to controllers like the ones you've mentioned and doing videos on them or is that a legal issue and not allowed? Keep the great work!!!
I actualçly moding this controller to have keybord mechanical mouse switches in the place of the membrane in the DPAD and it's actually FANTASTIC! Its very very sensitive, precise, FAST and effortless to do the inputs... The funny thing is that its the SAME king of switches the Hori Octa use for the buttons. I don't understand WHY they didn't do it or why they don't go for it from factory 🤷♂
I bought it two years ago or so when it came out and I returned it. It was disappointing because the previous version of the Hori Fighting Commander (the 2016) was perfect in terms of design and how the D-pad felt. It took the popular Mad Catz SFIV fight pad design (basically a sega genesis controller) and slimmed it down a bit and added two extra shoulder buttons, which was great since the Mad Catz stopped making theirs and you couldn't find them. The new version, the OCTA, changed this design completely, the d-pad feels completely different as well as the buttons. It's very similar to Razer and Victrix "Fight controllers", which just feels like an aftermarket controller with microswitches and not one that is designed specifically for fighting games.
Thank you for this super in depth review, I've been looking around to buy a pad and can't be buying every single one so seeing a very through review like yours is always apreciated
I got this controller a couple months back and it has been reliable and no issues so far. The DPad is less of an issue than I thought it would be. I’ll admit I rarely use the analogue stick, but I’m glad it’s there at all. Long story short, the software was a game changer when it comes to optimising certain games.
I really like the dpad of this controller personally. However I'm pretty disappointed with the stick. I used to play melee and was excited of the idea of a responsive octagonal gate joystick on a controller with 6 face buttons but I wouldn't get this if you're looking to primarily use the joystick
I REALLY want to say thank you to the comments! They said the important point this video doesn't really seem to have a prolonged section in it (though I admittedly skimmed) is that the D-pad which is THE MAIN REASON YOU GET A FIGHT PAD is garbo.
I have a love-hate relationship with the d-pad. Its kinda small and lightweight, so I dont feel that im hitting the input(s), but at the same time, I've never been able to buffer commands this quickly. I can do standing 720s with this thing. One thing I'm trying today is to play with plastic wrap on my left thumb to see if that helps with the hard plastic.
Have the xbox version. Love it. It's my main controller for fighting games and 2D platformers. Dpad feels great, though it might be a bit stiff. That never really bothered me all that much, but I know others dislike it. I think the octa stick is best used for charge characters, though that could just be me. I haven't really messed around with it all that much. This controller aside, have you heard of the Victrix Pro BGF controller that should be coming out next month? It's a modular controller that have a separate 6 button layout specifically for fighting games. I know you've tried the last Victrix controller and I'm wondering how did you feel about the dpad, particularly the diamond layout attachment? Out of all the reviews I've seen, you're the only one who talked about the dpad and to great length. I'd like to see if that controller can not only be a great pro controller, but also an amazing fightpad as well.
In SF6 you can now map L3/R3 (and possibly touchpad) to an attack button) As far as CPT (Capcom pro tour) goes you can't have double buttons. You'd have to set it to something that isn't an action button but then you lose one action or physically disable the button. ---- Attacking Action The maximum number of input systems that can be used as attacking actions is eleven(11). However, the same offensive action cannot be assigned to multiple input systems. For example, it is not allowed to have more than one light punch button. When using a controller with more than eleven(11) input systems for attacking actions, measures must be taken in advance to disable the use of unnecessary input systems as attacking actions. Note that the above does not apply to input systems that cannot be used as inputs for attacking actions in the "Controller Settings" in the game (DualSense PS button, mute button, etc.).
I bought it since I was tired of charging my controllers for tournaments, without knowing much about it. I’ve been enjoying it, sadly I’d go back to regular ps4 controllers when casually playing other games that are not fighting games. But otherwise I don’t regret it!
Wtf is a thumb glove?! I use the analogue stick as the dpad hurts my thumb after about 10 seconds but constantly struggle with things like dashing and double quatre circle motions with the analogue. I'm off to Google to see what this mysterious thumb glove is 😅
@@phase_1471 ahah I know I know, it might sound weird but we are living in a world with arcade stickless and other alternatives. Anyway I saw some videos about that trick and for me it’s a game changer. It also helps when it’s hit and your thumb stick to the buttons ;-) playing analog is rare for fighting games as it’s not as accurate as the dpad but some pros use it ( ex: Akaraien). For the thumb glove you can buy some for mobile phone FPS on Amazon or just like me glove for hairdryer and cut off the thumb ;-) whatever make your life better is good. I have been looking for an entire year to be confortable with the right device. My conclusion is Hori Octa + thumb glove 👍. Xbox series x pad is good too.
we always used our t-shirt on the thumb on street fighter snes back in the days with my brother, then recently I found that some face mask can do the job better, but never heard of thumbs glove or just cutting a regular glove in fact is going to be better, thanks.
@@sombatone hehe true for the t-shirt. Honestly it changes a lot my gameplay and avoid a lot of frustration. And no pain anymore. Only problem is when my wife sees me with that thumb glove, she looks desperate ;-)
I kind of want to try this as I just struggle a bit with consistent execution on the dualsense d pad (altho i love the dualsense for non fighting games). But it’s just a lot of money for something I’m not sure if I’ll want to stick with. I wish there were more ps5-compatible options.
I love this pad and have been using it for a while, MK1 however doesn't recognise L3 as remappleable buttons, Tekken 8 atleast does. Tekken 8 and SF6 work very well in my opinion.
Do you have plans to review the victrix pro BGF Pro pad that releases next month? I saw it as an Amazon listing pre-order and it looks really interesting because it's the first ever Pro Controller that I've seen that is specifically designed for fighting an FPS games together like a cross fusion between the Hori Octa fighting pad and a Xbox elite series 2 with a color black and purple Color theme with switchable button layout I've been hesitating to pull the trigger of pre-ordering it because I always wait on your reviews you're my go-to channel for this type of stuff.
Thanks for putting so much effort into these controller videos, they are great to see. I wanted to share with you something you may want to try yourself when playing fighting games on the steam deck. I've been experimenting with the left track pad as I find the built-in dpad a little uncomfortable when playing hand held. I currently have the track pad set as "Directional Pad" with the "requires click" option off, this allows me to slide my thumb around for QC, HC, DP inputs with ease. I've also disabled the up input and assigned it to left track pad click so I can avoid accidental jumps. Give it a try, I'd love to hear your thoughts on it. Keep up the awesome informative content!
It’s been suggested to me frequently so I might try it but I’m not convinced it’s a very efficient input method for switching between walking and blocking quickly.
Madcatz just needs to bring back those amazing gamepads they had around when SF4 came out. It was basically a Sega Genesis controller with cool designs.
Honestly if they just combine the raion construction with this design it would be a best fight pad. I prefer the weight of the raion, as well clickiness and size of the raion dpad much better, and the version with the pivot works well. I actually like this pad having the gate on analog too, because I actually do a lot of my special moves with the analog and switch back to dpad for movement (not ideal I know, but my special inputs are way faster and easier to do accurately in panic/scramble situations). I ride the gate like you mentioned so I don't drop inputs so it works for me in that sense, but the reason I use the dpad for movement is because I have trouble locking down back instead of down or back for blocking and fuzzy guarding. I would like larger divits for that reason rather than the one you mentioned. It's almost the perfect pad for me.
The raion had terrible construction from my experience. Tried 3 in the matter of a week. Either the shoulder buttons or face buttons would get stuck, and become unresponsive. The dpad felt great but I had to give up on it
Having owned the Hori Fighting Commander and now the Octa version... I can say the older fighting commander is way better. The dpad on the older pad is much smoother and doesn't hurt your thumb. Even resting your thumb in the middle as you described, you will occasionally rub the edges and it irritates my thumb.. I am also dropping certain inputs on the newer dpad that I never drop on the older one, after trying for days to adjust... It's a shame they don't sell the Fighting Commander 3 anymore, so I bought the Switch version and may seek out a converter for tournaments, but I'm not sure they make one for that controller... bummer.
The diagonal on the stick is my worst problem as well. in SF6 the game seems to fill in the gaps by itself. But games like kof the diagonals a lot of the times just don't happen. I wish there was a deadzone adjustment in the software so adjust for the diagonals because the amount of times I'm holding a diagonal to crouch block but my character just walks backward and I get hit by a low is ridiculous.
I think the Sega Saturn USB pad works best if you're looking for something like this especially because the top and bottom rows of buttons have a distinctive feeling separating kicks and punches.
I have the Xbox version, and I honestly love it more than my arcade stick. The options to control the Dpad sensitivity and button mapping makes it more universal between games. I have a street fighter profile, tekken profile and a KOF profile. Its just a lot easier to use than the arcade stick
I think the analog stick will be better for motion input if its elevation is lower and almost like dpad's height. I bought the octa thinking that I can finally use analog stick for fighting game, but it's still not good enough. Fortunately its dpad is a perfect small size for me.
@@NihongoGamer yeah, I always think that flat analog stick, like the one from original PSP, with proper octogonal gate can be very good for fighting games. Never see one in action though, it's just my theory.
I miss the eight-way directional buttons that were on the Sega Genesis and Sega Saturn controllers back in the Sega Genesis and Sega Saturn days. Four-way directional buttons are not all that great for fighting games.
I just dropped a rant on your Discord regarding my personal issues with "fight pad" design. For the past few years, I've ditched the arcade stick for the fight pad because 1) I don't really have the space to keep a stick, 2) I don't have the money to get a stick worth maintaining, and 3) sticks are too noisy for my household. I currently have a Razer Raion (apparently, a newer version where Razer added a fulcrum to the D-Pad to resolve the previous "bad 360 motion" issue), but like all other fighting-game-oriented controllers, I have an issue with its ergonomics because I've been one of those "hand-over grip" players since the SNES era. If I had the time, money, and resources, I'd design my own controller, but I guess I can hold my own with what I have, but can't reach my full potential.
Now I only used the PS4 Hori controller for platformers, but I found the D-pad on it to be absolutely horrible. Stiff, prone to malfunctions, and sharp to the point where it hurt. Any other design than that one should be a step up!
I'm that pyscho that bought this controller to not use the d-pad at all. I'm working on it just wished there was a way to recalibrate the analog stick/replace it when It starts drifting. Other than that love the controller
I recently tried this controller, and although I really do love the clicky buttons, the d-pad just doesn't do it for me and I ended up returning it. The d-pad started digging into my thumb after about 30-45 mins of using it, its just not comfortable for long term use. I ended up getting a PS5 Brooks converter and a 8bitdo m30 2.4ghz controller to hold me up until the Retrobit Sega Saturn Pro controller comes out. I just found out about the Betop controller that's supposed to be really good, but you need the converter to use it.
Hori should make a new Fighting Commander... A Dual Sense Fighting Commander(based on the first version), with 1, Dual Sense vibration & 2, a Modular D-Pad\Stick capable of switching between the traditional cross D-pad of the first version, the circular version of the version displayed in this video & a thumb stick... I prefer the size & shape of the original(which I own), but the latest version has great new features - & I believe in adjusting tactics whilst I play a game instead of adjust to new pads & buttons of game controllers... >.>
@@BikerLobster Yes... I guess I'm a bit spoiled by what the DualSense controller can do... Imagine charging Sakura's hadoken - the building of the intensity as it get's stronger before releasing it... There are MANY cool things a Developer can do with haptics to make their game more immersive(it not all about competition performance)... I bet they can imitate the crackling of ice for when Sub Zero freezes you - wouldn't that sensation be cool? =] (at least for while you're stuck doing nothing waiting to get pounded... o.O)
Nice and honest review. I have the controller since one month now and i like/dislike it. Your video gave me some idea (placement of my thumb, use of face boutons, remapping). hnaks i will train that. Example i never thought of using triangle, circle R1, and R2 instead of the "legacy" square, cross. That game changing for me cause it feels like my rest postion is more around the circle than the cross ! i will train this the week. I'm thinking of remapping cross an square to direction (up and jump or maybe left and right) either to have acces to dash backdash or to help fuzzy guard. Thanks !
I got this just because for ps5 I still prefer my razoro ps4 controller because the d bad is clickly I like click d pads over mushy mushy just feels so stiff and less responsive but i feel like im force to use this because their no other pad option yes I can use my may flash and plug in my razor but the set up and wires are not simply I like the plug in play feeling. I cant wait until a button pad is mad for ps5
Really good video! Thanks. The point about the D-Pad and Analog-Stick makes it a No for me sadly. the rest seems pretty good but my finger starts to hurt fast and if the analog stick is not good as well, idk. A Arcade stick is a bit too much for me as a casual. And a normal Dualsense has its limits in terms of fighting games. Is there a good alternative? Or is Hori the only one?
Depending on your platform you can do some interesting stuff. On PC you could do pretty much anything that a stick or hitbox can do on a keyboard. It might be a bit odd to start with, but if you already play keyboard and mouse games then you can just map the keys to WASD (and maybe space bar for the jump button, so that both hands can press it) for movement and your choice of keys for attacks with the other hand. I did have an idea for a game called "keyboard warriors" that was a fighter designed for keyboard. Essentially the idea was to allow the player to map any move to any button on the keyboard, so you could essentially play it like a regular game, or set up macros to make certain things easier to accomplish. I don't think it would be balanced, but I think that there's an interesting metagame of how many things you set up as a one button move, how you lay them out, and whether the player has the ability to accurately locate and press the button in order to react to the opponent.
Thanks for going more in depth on this one. You think you'll revisit the Razer Raion that was quietly updated with a pivot now? Wonder how that would now stack up against the Octa.
@@NihongoGamer i have the Raion with the pivot but the skipping down input during half circle is still present when you do motion fast... (i have open my controller to see the pivot). My thought about this issue is that direction have "latency". When you press 41236 really fast, the switching still trigger previous input even if you think have release the position so at some point when you are at 2, the controller still see you have pressed 4 (because 1 = 4+2) so when you go to 3 the game see 4+2+6 and register that like a 3. The result is you skip 2 because it never know about 2 alone . The way to fix this is maybe SOCD implemantation in the firmware (4+6 = neutral) like stickless or switchs which are more faster to release the input.
skipping down is really a big problem for advanced motion like super in kof xv or guilty gear strive. The game is ok for normal half circle if you miss the down input. But when you need two half circle in a row, it's require the down input because otherwise no super and instead you only get the special attack :(
Thanks for mentioning the down input. I have both a modded v1 and new Raion (w pivot). On both, my execution seems fine for half circles, but I do seem to miss my down blocks and attacks alot more often. I'm coming from an 8bitdo m30, so I thought maybe it was bc the dpad is tighter. But maybe there's something off w/ the down input as you mentioned.
@@tobylee1170 i plan to mod the razer to figure out if it's can be fixed by SOCD. Not an easy task but if manage to achieve that i will tell you the result. it will take time though and it's risky (mod the pcb). But as you said the down input is really an issue. I still like the pad since i play dnf duel mainly but for kof and sf6...
I have both. Save your money for the arcade stick unless your want faster execution by playing with a Dpad. I use the controller only when I don't want to bring my stick.
I had a GameCube controller specifically made like this with Nodules for the stick it’s way better then a fighting pad if your trying to switch into one but if your already adapt it’s not worth it
I have one octa for xbox and the answare is NO. It's a great improvement compared to the default analogs but it's lower diagonals kinda suck, some times it's even worse for games that require fast directions change. Imo the best improvement that it gives is the ability to use buttos to dash while using analog stick since you can map directions for the buttons.
The button microswitches are the same as those in your typical computer mouse. I don't think it's accurate to say they're like a laptop chiclet keyboard. Unless you mean specifically those MacBook air keyboards with basically 0 travel? Then yeah I agree.
Also I agree they should have used something like a Cherry low profile for the buttons. And mechanical switches would be way more appropriate on the d pad. For reliability, durability and accuracy. Why won't manufacturers do this?!
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That link to the firmware update no longer works. Help!!! How can I update the hori Octa ps5 firmware ?
Been using this controller for over a year. With SF6, MK1 & Tekken &, it’s been holding up very well for me
Hi, I'm a only analog user, would this controller be viable for me or should I just spend the extra and get the DualSense?
If you want to use just analog, you can with that controller. I've done it with the latest Street Fighter. As for what you should buy, that's a choice you have to make.@@ryanl17_
You actually can remap the buttons or change the overall sensitivity of the d-pad without using a PC. There is a button on the face of the controller for this purpose. This is discussed in the physical manual that comes in the box but not in the online information as far as I could see.
Ah yes this is true. I didn’t mention it because the video was getting too long but yes, the assign button handles these functions but sadly doesn’t allow profile swapping without a pc
@@NihongoGamer Man , I'm not playing in this year , however my main difficult using control is one thing which is kind hard to perform in dpad : the small jump in SNK fighting games as Last Blade and or KOF , what do you think , this kind of dpad is better to small jumps in SNK fighting games as Last Blade and or KOF ?
Then i must be stupid because the instructions might as well be written in Chinese, i'd like to see an online video showing one how to setup, i have COD modern warfare II ready to go on steam but the thing's on but unresponsive
@@geemonster9179you bought a controller designed for fighting games to use it for CoD?
I actually have this Pad. I'm still learning to use it because it's so light. It's definitely way more responsive
Does it work on ps5??
@@فرجمناورالرشيدي-ذ3د yea
10:23
Thank you so much of mentioning this. It took me so much time and reading throght reddit threads to know about that way of handling a D-pad. This could have saved my thumb in Strive a long ago haha.
My thumb is sore right now from tekken 8 a year later and is still relavant
I had a ohhhhh moment when I clicked on your time stamp I almost picked a different video since I watched one similar
I hope Hori could make a new fightpad like this one, but without the stick, a slightly bigger and slightly less stiff d-pad. Man that would be great.
yea i had to return mine, the d pad is super stiff and stick is not needed.
Like the Street Fighter 4 fightpad. That is still the best fightpad I've ever used.
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I agree, like it needs the first commander d-pad in this new commander and it's perfect. Having the L3 and R3 as options on the left side in addition to R1 and R2 is perfect for fighting games. Makes tekken REALLY interesting to play on it with all the combinations you can add to it.
They had a perfect d-pad for their PS3 - PS4 fight pad Not sure why they had to screw it up for the new gen one.
a pad designed specifically for fighting games and doesn't have a clicky dpad. wow.
Microswitches tend to be kinda fragile in d pads.
Cuz it's designed to play with the stick...
I don’t like clicky dpads, it hurts my thumb when I try to do Half-circles or Z-motions
@@MrHanzo507No, it’s not. The stick is meant for platformers. I have the controller and using it for a game like streetfighters is no different than using a normal stick.
@@JayFox128 it is! I have the Octa fightpad too and I play with the stick (even with my normal ps4 controller) and it works great, if it isn't working for you is cuz you're not a stick player, you're more a d-pad player, so you need a different controller like the Victrix Pro that has a better d-pad. These are fightpads, nothing is meant for platformers here. Theres is the regular dualshock 4/dualsense controller for that. At the end it's a prefference thing man. I have this controller and I have no complaints about it.
THX! Yes, pads have been killing my left thumb painfully. That's why I'm using heavy pro Hori Arcade Fighting Sticks. This Hori pad is still fun though!
NG I love the depth of your reviews! In this vid you talked a bit about the disadvantage of pad vs stick. I've always struggled to find a controller which doesn't make me feel restricted somehow. Using stick I find dashing one direction is more awkward than the other, for example. Do you have a video that talks more in depth about different controller setups and translating human mechanics efficiently? Ultimately I'm willing to invest in a top tier controller to give SF6 solid romp but not sure where to land.
I’ve mentioned it here and there especially during live streams but I don’t have a specific video on it yet. Might do one in the future!
@@NihongoGamer Thanks NG!
What an awesome video. Im a guile main in SF6 and love the dpad if you use it properly (how you suggest in the video). Lots of options with this controller on how you want to hold it (over hand vs traditional, dpad vs analog). So far no real issues with it (have about 200 hours in SF6). Controller still going strong.
200 hours????
You should review the VICTRIX PRO BFG WIRELESS Controller. It a very high end and expensive Fighting Game Pad Controller, and want to know if it's worth the price. Love the content btw, keep it up!
been binge watching all your videos lately and I have to say the outro music in this is is top tier. As a pad player and owner of multiple pad controllers hearing your input on these make me happy knowing it is not just me having certain issues with these controllers.
Sega Genasis: laughing in doing this many years ago.
Honestly as soon as I heard the buttons were clicky I was sold. I had the fight pad for the ps4/3 awhile ago and I still love it.
I love how sensitive the buttons are. It’s helped a lot with SF6 drive rush execution. Before buying the Octa, I was using an old Xbox 360 controller.
I bought this controller last minute at EVO last year because I ended up forgetting my controller at my hotel room when my match came up for Tekken 7. I love the buttons and the clickiness of them as my PS4 controller can have constant missed inputs, the only problem I had is that it’s not too great for Korean Backdashing and had a lot of FHCF missed inputs as well (crucial for a King main) maybe I just suck at using this controller though 😂 My buddy likes it for playing GG Strive though, and It does feel nice playing claw-hand on it as well. Added bonus is that it’s wired so no having to desync after your match
This kind of d-pad is suposed to be used with that rocking motion, like you would do with a stick. Some old Sega Genesis pads actually had a threaded hole in the middle so you could screw a small arcade stick into it. I'd say stick to the dpad (no pun intended xd) on 2d games and use the analog octa stick for the 3d ones.
Just got mine and I love it. I honestly have no problem w the d pad, but the octo is the reason I bought it. I wouldn’t say it replaces an arcade stick, it’s truly an apples and oranges comparison, but it damn sure replaces my DualShock when playing fighters.
Love using this thing for 360 grapplers and goldlewis, can't wait to see how zangief feels in SF6 to get the most out of this PAD
Thank you for putting out another video of this controller, but in the PS5 version. I hope Hori see this video and do take your suggestion into consideration of a Pro version of this controller. I do like the micro-switches buttons, but not so much of the other things on this controller as you mentioned in the video. D-pad is a bit too small for my liking. Make the d-pad a bit bigger, and whatever micro-switches in the buttons, put that in the d-pad. Put the micro-switches in the shoulder buttons as well. I don't use the joystick as much, but those who do would appreciates Hall-Effect sensors as that's the new wave on the market. I don't mind paying extra in exchange for a better overall controller that is durable and a joy to play with. Gamers are tired of going through controllers that feels cheap and don't last.
hmmmm yes all of this. The Fighting Commander Octa's every part is just a tiny bit short of perfect except the face buttons which are pretty much there.
Yeah if Hori just made the d-pad slightly bigger and slightly less stiff I would love this pad.
Can’t wait to hear your thoughts on the Victrix Pro BFG when that comes out next month
One reason that some people switch to stick over pad is because of how often and easy it is to accidentally jump/jump forward/jump backward when attempting a quarter circle/half circle. Jumping when you don't intend to in a fighting game can be a dire mistake that will almost always be punished when facing a skilled player. I have an Xbox controller I used on PC that I modified to add ticks at the left and right, so I could feel that I was going too far during a half circle.
If you use a dpad you'll have full control and not accidentally jump. I don't know how anyone can play any 2d fighting games with a pad analog stick
thats because your using an analog stick instead of the dpad. dont know why u would use an analog stick over dpad
I’m pretty sure veteran D pad fighting game players have built up a nice callus on their thumbs
Sometimes I use both the Dpad and Analog stick especially when playing a sharp game of footsies
I used to compete with a USB Sega Saturn controller before switching to stick and keyboard, so I'm interested in this controller!
the you from back then sounds like an absolute chad
Great review on this controller especially about the ergonomics of it! I wonder if companies watch reviews like yours and make adjustments to their next versions because they certainly should. I take it you get sent a number of items to review and am curious if you've found any following sequential products with improvements you've touched upon?
Have you considered making physical adjustments to controllers like the ones you've mentioned and doing videos on them or is that a legal issue and not allowed? Keep the great work!!!
I actualçly moding this controller to have keybord mechanical mouse switches in the place of the membrane in the DPAD and it's actually FANTASTIC! Its very very sensitive, precise, FAST and effortless to do the inputs... The funny thing is that its the SAME king of switches the Hori Octa use for the buttons. I don't understand WHY they didn't do it or why they don't go for it from factory 🤷♂
I bought it two years ago or so when it came out and I returned it. It was disappointing because the previous version of the Hori Fighting Commander (the 2016) was perfect in terms of design and how the D-pad felt. It took the popular Mad Catz SFIV fight pad design (basically a sega genesis controller) and slimmed it down a bit and added two extra shoulder buttons, which was great since the Mad Catz stopped making theirs and you couldn't find them. The new version, the OCTA, changed this design completely, the d-pad feels completely different as well as the buttons. It's very similar to Razer and Victrix "Fight controllers", which just feels like an aftermarket controller with microswitches and not one that is designed specifically for fighting games.
What do you use rn if I may ask?
I hate the octa, fighting commander 4 is the best imo.
Thank you for this super in depth review, I've been looking around to buy a pad and can't be buying every single one so seeing a very through review like yours is always apreciated
Thanks! Since I lightly covered the Xbox version I thought this was a good opportunity to go deeper into the octa :)
That pad will be really useful for sf6 with all the mechanics
I got this controller a couple months back and it has been reliable and no issues so far.
The DPad is less of an issue than I thought it would be. I’ll admit I rarely use the analogue stick, but I’m glad it’s there at all. Long story short, the software was a game changer when it comes to optimising certain games.
I really like the dpad of this controller personally. However I'm pretty disappointed with the stick. I used to play melee and was excited of the idea of a responsive octagonal gate joystick on a controller with 6 face buttons but I wouldn't get this if you're looking to primarily use the joystick
Coming from Smash Kazuya Terry and Ken would this stick be good or not rlly?
I REALLY want to say thank you to the comments! They said the important point this video doesn't really seem to have a prolonged section in it (though I admittedly skimmed) is that the D-pad which is THE MAIN REASON YOU GET A FIGHT PAD is garbo.
Can we get a comparison between the Commander Octa and the previous Commander that we all know and love?
I have a love-hate relationship with the d-pad. Its kinda small and lightweight, so I dont feel that im hitting the input(s), but at the same time, I've never been able to buffer commands this quickly. I can do standing 720s with this thing.
One thing I'm trying today is to play with plastic wrap on my left thumb to see if that helps with the hard plastic.
The gamecube main analog stick does have an octo gate. It's one of the reasons smash players love that pad so much.
It’s been so long since I used one that I forgot! Thanks!
Have the xbox version. Love it. It's my main controller for fighting games and 2D platformers. Dpad feels great, though it might be a bit stiff. That never really bothered me all that much, but I know others dislike it. I think the octa stick is best used for charge characters, though that could just be me. I haven't really messed around with it all that much.
This controller aside, have you heard of the Victrix Pro BGF controller that should be coming out next month? It's a modular controller that have a separate 6 button layout specifically for fighting games. I know you've tried the last Victrix controller and I'm wondering how did you feel about the dpad, particularly the diamond layout attachment? Out of all the reviews I've seen, you're the only one who talked about the dpad and to great length. I'd like to see if that controller can not only be a great pro controller, but also an amazing fightpad as well.
"though it might be a bit stiff." You want this bc it will loosen as it ages.
I’m hoping to cover the new Victrix. Hopefully they send me one!
In SF6 you can now map L3/R3 (and possibly touchpad) to an attack button)
As far as CPT (Capcom pro tour) goes you can't have double buttons. You'd have to set it to something that isn't an action button but then you lose one action or physically disable the button.
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Attacking Action
The maximum number of input systems that can be used as attacking actions is eleven(11). However, the same offensive action cannot be assigned to multiple input systems. For example, it is not allowed to have more than one light punch button. When using a controller with more than eleven(11) input systems for attacking actions, measures must be taken in advance to disable the use of unnecessary input systems as attacking actions. Note that the above does not apply to input systems that cannot be used as inputs for attacking actions in the "Controller Settings" in the game (DualSense PS button, mute button, etc.).
I use my L3 and R3 for OD moves in sf6 and for grabs in tekken 7 🙂
is this controller good?
Can I make the shoulder R1 and R2 my EX moves now???
@@pastorsson1052if you want
I got the figting commander controller and it's amazing. Been a gamechanger for me.
I bought it since I was tired of charging my controllers for tournaments, without knowing much about it. I’ve been enjoying it, sadly I’d go back to regular ps4 controllers when casually playing other games that are not fighting games. But otherwise I don’t regret it!
The gamecube had an octagonal gate for both sticks actually. I wish more controllers did this.
so did the wii. it definitely makes much more sense for some games. using a pro controller for smash bros feels wrong
The street fight 4 fighter madcatz pad on the PS3 was the best fightpad. I love this D pad and ordered this controller last night.
😂😂 you know that Mister Crimson plus with th stick of his pad😂😂
Nice video as always. I use that pad with a thumb glove and it just works like a charm. Best dpad ever.
Thumb glove is a good idea for harder d-pads! Clever!
Wtf is a thumb glove?! I use the analogue stick as the dpad hurts my thumb after about 10 seconds but constantly struggle with things like dashing and double quatre circle motions with the analogue. I'm off to Google to see what this mysterious thumb glove is 😅
@@phase_1471 ahah I know I know, it might sound weird but we are living in a world with arcade stickless and other alternatives. Anyway I saw some videos about that trick and for me it’s a game changer. It also helps when it’s hit and your thumb stick to the buttons ;-) playing analog is rare for fighting games as it’s not as accurate as the dpad but some pros use it ( ex: Akaraien). For the thumb glove you can buy some for mobile phone FPS on Amazon or just like me glove for hairdryer and cut off the thumb ;-) whatever make your life better is good. I have been looking for an entire year to be confortable with the right device. My conclusion is Hori Octa + thumb glove 👍. Xbox series x pad is good too.
we always used our t-shirt on the thumb on street fighter snes back in the days with my brother, then recently I found that some face mask can do the job better, but never heard of thumbs glove or just cutting a regular glove in fact is going to be better, thanks.
@@sombatone hehe true for the t-shirt. Honestly it changes a lot my gameplay and avoid a lot of frustration. And no pain anymore. Only problem is when my wife sees me with that thumb glove, she looks desperate ;-)
I kind of want to try this as I just struggle a bit with consistent execution on the dualsense d pad (altho i love the dualsense for non fighting games). But it’s just a lot of money for something I’m not sure if I’ll want to stick with. I wish there were more ps5-compatible options.
sony problem
I love this pad and have been using it for a while, MK1 however doesn't recognise L3 as remappleable buttons, Tekken 8 atleast does. Tekken 8 and SF6 work very well in my opinion.
Do you have plans to review the victrix pro BGF Pro pad that releases next month? I saw it as an Amazon listing pre-order and it looks really interesting because it's the first ever Pro Controller that I've seen that is specifically designed for fighting an FPS games together like a cross fusion between the Hori Octa fighting pad and a Xbox elite series 2 with a color black and purple Color theme with switchable button layout I've been hesitating to pull the trigger of pre-ordering it because I always wait on your reviews you're my go-to channel for this type of stuff.
I’ve contacted them but remains to be seen whether a review unit arrives
What worries me about these is that it's apparently really easy to break
Thanks for putting so much effort into these controller videos, they are great to see.
I wanted to share with you something you may want to try yourself when playing fighting games on the steam deck.
I've been experimenting with the left track pad as I find the built-in dpad a little uncomfortable when playing hand held.
I currently have the track pad set as "Directional Pad" with the "requires click" option off, this allows me to slide my thumb around for QC, HC, DP inputs with ease.
I've also disabled the up input and assigned it to left track pad click so I can avoid accidental jumps.
Give it a try, I'd love to hear your thoughts on it.
Keep up the awesome informative content!
It’s been suggested to me frequently so I might try it but I’m not convinced it’s a very efficient input method for switching between walking and blocking quickly.
@@NihongoGamer it's better than you might expect, certainly not a perfect system. I think it depends on the game also.
ive been waiting for this ¡¡¡¡
Madcatz just needs to bring back those amazing gamepads they had around when SF4 came out. It was basically a Sega Genesis controller with cool designs.
Honestly if they just combine the raion construction with this design it would be a best fight pad. I prefer the weight of the raion, as well clickiness and size of the raion dpad much better, and the version with the pivot works well. I actually like this pad having the gate on analog too, because I actually do a lot of my special moves with the analog and switch back to dpad for movement (not ideal I know, but my special inputs are way faster and easier to do accurately in panic/scramble situations). I ride the gate like you mentioned so I don't drop inputs so it works for me in that sense, but the reason I use the dpad for movement is because I have trouble locking down back instead of down or back for blocking and fuzzy guarding. I would like larger divits for that reason rather than the one you mentioned. It's almost the perfect pad for me.
Glad to hear it working for you!
The raion had terrible construction from my experience. Tried 3 in the matter of a week. Either the shoulder buttons or face buttons would get stuck, and become unresponsive. The dpad felt great but I had to give up on it
Having owned the Hori Fighting Commander and now the Octa version... I can say the older fighting commander is way better. The dpad on the older pad is much smoother and doesn't hurt your thumb. Even resting your thumb in the middle as you described, you will occasionally rub the edges and it irritates my thumb.. I am also dropping certain inputs on the newer dpad that I never drop on the older one, after trying for days to adjust... It's a shame they don't sell the Fighting Commander 3 anymore, so I bought the Switch version and may seek out a converter for tournaments, but I'm not sure they make one for that controller... bummer.
Do tournaments play on Xbox or somethin? I use my Switch version on PC and its great
Thinking about it, that would be the perfect modern controller for N64 emulation!
The diagonal on the stick is my worst problem as well. in SF6 the game seems to fill in the gaps by itself. But games like kof the diagonals a lot of the times just don't happen. I wish there was a deadzone adjustment in the software so adjust for the diagonals because the amount of times I'm holding a diagonal to crouch block but my character just walks backward and I get hit by a low is ridiculous.
Got mine and love it 🤙
I think the Sega Saturn USB pad works best if you're looking for something like this especially because the top and bottom rows of buttons have a distinctive feeling separating kicks and punches.
I have the Xbox version, and I honestly love it more than my arcade stick. The options to control the Dpad sensitivity and button mapping makes it more universal between games. I have a street fighter profile, tekken profile and a KOF profile. Its just a lot easier to use than the arcade stick
I have a arcade stick and I'm struggling so bad
@@lordhave4420 Same, my controllers broken so i'm stuck with an arcade stick, hard to get used to it.
I think the analog stick will be better for motion input if its elevation is lower and almost like dpad's height. I bought the octa thinking that I can finally use analog stick for fighting game, but it's still not good enough. Fortunately its dpad is a perfect small size for me.
Interesting. I’d like to try a low profile analog stick. Honestly what we really need is the neogeo pocket color stick
@@NihongoGamer yeah, I always think that flat analog stick, like the one from original PSP, with proper octogonal gate can be very good for fighting games. Never see one in action though, it's just my theory.
I was just thinking about this! I’m very new to fighting games so I figured there would already be one with a low profile analogue
he get th feeling of pushing the buttons harder than what it needed lol
That looks like a perfect controller for N64, Sega Saturn and Genesis.
I miss the eight-way directional buttons that were on the Sega Genesis and Sega Saturn controllers back in the Sega Genesis and Sega Saturn days. Four-way directional buttons are not all that great for fighting games.
If you Prefer controllers on and on budget this is a really good option if you dont have money for a victrix.
If the D pad was the size of the old SF4 Mad Catz D pad, I'd be in heaven.
I just dropped a rant on your Discord regarding my personal issues with "fight pad" design. For the past few years, I've ditched the arcade stick for the fight pad because 1) I don't really have the space to keep a stick, 2) I don't have the money to get a stick worth maintaining, and 3) sticks are too noisy for my household. I currently have a Razer Raion (apparently, a newer version where Razer added a fulcrum to the D-Pad to resolve the previous "bad 360 motion" issue), but like all other fighting-game-oriented controllers, I have an issue with its ergonomics because I've been one of those "hand-over grip" players since the SNES era. If I had the time, money, and resources, I'd design my own controller, but I guess I can hold my own with what I have, but can't reach my full potential.
Considering purchasing this for SFVI on PC, but I think I'm doing ok with my dualsense. May wait until a sale or get a fightstick eventually.
My issue if the life expectancy of the D Pad.
I have no problem getting used to it, if it will actually last longer then 6-8 months lol.
I love the Yope/Nope! section if the vid!
I use analog sticks to play fighting-games because d-pads hurt my thumb. Gamecube's main stick did have an octagonal gate as well.
Watching you describe the problems with controllers is like watching infomercials when the person doesn't know how to use a ladder
Now I only used the PS4 Hori controller for platformers, but I found the D-pad on it to be absolutely horrible. Stiff, prone to malfunctions, and sharp to the point where it hurt. Any other design than that one should be a step up!
I'm that pyscho that bought this controller to not use the d-pad at all. I'm working on it just wished there was a way to recalibrate the analog stick/replace it when It starts drifting. Other than that love the controller
The control stick is like the GameCube controller which is something I’ve been waiting for a modern controller to have
I’d buy this controller if that was the only standout feature
I recently tried this controller, and although I really do love the clicky buttons, the d-pad just doesn't do it for me and I ended up returning it. The d-pad started digging into my thumb after about 30-45 mins of using it, its just not comfortable for long term use. I ended up getting a PS5 Brooks converter and a 8bitdo m30 2.4ghz controller to hold me up until the Retrobit Sega Saturn Pro controller comes out. I just found out about the Betop controller that's supposed to be really good, but you need the converter to use it.
Hori should make a new Fighting Commander... A Dual Sense Fighting Commander(based on the first version), with 1, Dual Sense vibration & 2, a Modular D-Pad\Stick capable of switching between the traditional cross D-pad of the first version, the circular version of the version displayed in this video & a thumb stick... I prefer the size & shape of the original(which I own), but the latest version has great new features - & I believe in adjusting tactics whilst I play a game instead of adjust to new pads & buttons of game controllers... >.>
You really need vibration playing fighting games?
@@BikerLobster Yes... I guess I'm a bit spoiled by what the DualSense controller can do... Imagine charging Sakura's hadoken - the building of the intensity as it get's stronger before releasing it... There are MANY cool things a Developer can do with haptics to make their game more immersive(it not all about competition performance)... I bet they can imitate the crackling of ice for when Sub Zero freezes you - wouldn't that sensation be cool? =] (at least for while you're stuck doing nothing waiting to get pounded... o.O)
I just got one yesterday and it was perfectly fine right out of the box with zero adjustments made. We'll see how it holds up.
Did it hold up? Thinking of switching to this now that my discontinued 4 is going up in value
@@ParisLikeHilton so far so good.
Thank you for the thumb guide 😅❤
Nice and honest review. I have the controller since one month now and i like/dislike it. Your video gave me some idea (placement of my thumb, use of face boutons, remapping). hnaks i will train that. Example i never thought of using triangle, circle R1, and R2 instead of the "legacy" square, cross. That game changing for me cause it feels like my rest postion is more around the circle than the cross ! i will train this the week. I'm thinking of remapping cross an square to direction (up and jump or maybe left and right) either to have acces to dash backdash or to help fuzzy guard. Thanks !
I got this just because for ps5 I still prefer my razoro ps4 controller because the d bad is clickly I like click d pads over mushy mushy just feels so stiff and less responsive but i feel like im force to use this because their no other pad option yes I can use my may flash and plug in my razor but the set up and wires are not simply I like the plug in play feeling. I cant wait until a button pad is mad for ps5
Really good video! Thanks.
The point about the D-Pad and Analog-Stick makes it a No for me sadly. the rest seems pretty good but my finger starts to hurt fast and if the analog stick is not good as well, idk. A Arcade stick is a bit too much for me as a casual. And a normal Dualsense has its limits in terms of fighting games. Is there a good alternative? Or is Hori the only one?
Depending on your platform you can do some interesting stuff.
On PC you could do pretty much anything that a stick or hitbox can do on a keyboard.
It might be a bit odd to start with, but if you already play keyboard and mouse games then you can just map the keys to WASD (and maybe space bar for the jump button, so that both hands can press it) for movement and your choice of keys for attacks with the other hand.
I did have an idea for a game called "keyboard warriors" that was a fighter designed for keyboard. Essentially the idea was to allow the player to map any move to any button on the keyboard, so you could essentially play it like a regular game, or set up macros to make certain things easier to accomplish. I don't think it would be balanced, but I think that there's an interesting metagame of how many things you set up as a one button move, how you lay them out, and whether the player has the ability to accurately locate and press the button in order to react to the opponent.
Thanks for going more in depth on this one. You think you'll revisit the Razer Raion that was quietly updated with a pivot now? Wonder how that would now stack up against the Octa.
I’m curious about Raion. They consulted with me on improving it but then never contacted me again so i just haven’t got round to picking one up
@@NihongoGamer i have the Raion with the pivot but the skipping down input during half circle is still present when you do motion fast... (i have open my controller to see the pivot). My thought about this issue is that direction have "latency". When you press 41236 really fast, the switching still trigger previous input even if you think have release the position so at some point when you are at 2, the controller still see you have pressed 4 (because 1 = 4+2) so when you go to 3 the game see 4+2+6 and register that like a 3. The result is you skip 2 because it never know about 2 alone . The way to fix this is maybe SOCD implemantation in the firmware (4+6 = neutral) like stickless or switchs which are more faster to release the input.
skipping down is really a big problem for advanced motion like super in kof xv or guilty gear strive. The game is ok for normal half circle if you miss the down input. But when you need two half circle in a row, it's require the down input because otherwise no super and instead you only get the special attack :(
Thanks for mentioning the down input. I have both a modded v1 and new Raion (w pivot). On both, my execution seems fine for half circles, but I do seem to miss my down blocks and attacks alot more often. I'm coming from an 8bitdo m30, so I thought maybe it was bc the dpad is tighter. But maybe there's something off w/ the down input as you mentioned.
@@tobylee1170 i plan to mod the razer to figure out if it's can be fixed by SOCD. Not an easy task but if manage to achieve that i will tell you the result. it will take time though and it's risky (mod the pcb). But as you said the down input is really an issue. I still like the pad since i play dnf duel mainly but for kof and sf6...
button boxes are the most effective but least fun. Stick is just fun to play with even if it takes a bit more work and is abit more inconsistent.
Why is your arcade stick so far in the background I was confused for a couple of second when I looked at the thumbnail
I have both.
Save your money for the arcade stick unless your want faster execution by playing with a Dpad.
I use the controller only when I don't want to bring my stick.
Might pick this up since my FC4 is worn out and SF6 is right around the corner.
i like that the controller is very light.
only thing i wish for is wireless capability.
I have this for streetfighter 6, just last week for series x, its much better then i thought it would be.
Bro I think the octagonal gate is probably exactly what I need on a pad controller
Nothing will replace my Victrix Pro FS for beatem ups and fighting games or anything that plays like a game from the arcade.
I had a GameCube controller specifically made like this with Nodules for the stick it’s way better then a fighting pad if your trying to switch into one but if your already adapt it’s not worth it
Thank you man. Bought 2 of them.
I have one octa for xbox and the answare is NO. It's a great improvement compared to the default analogs but it's lower diagonals kinda suck, some times it's even worse for games that require fast directions change. Imo the best improvement that it gives is the ability to use buttos to dash while using analog stick since you can map directions for the buttons.
Be aware, there's a firmware update for the Xbox version, fixing extra directions registering issue
Can I use this Controller as an alternative for my dual sense? My Dualsense broke and planning to buy this as replacement
as a pad user, this is the best fightpad i've ever used.
Really? I’ve been hearing a lot of issues with both the dpand and stick. Movement not registering / breakage / bad ergonomics / etc
@@hahahahahohohoho5085 true, but only if you're using the stock settings. just simply adjust the sensitivity you'll be fine
@@domikaseable arent stock settings on max sensetivity by default?
@@hahahahahohohoho5085 is not
@@domikaseable thanks
I'm personally use dpad like arcade stick style. Like good old good sega 6 button
The issue for me is you cannot customize the shoulder buttons so you cannot have the L1-L2 on the left... in the PS4 SF5 controller you can do that...
buying this this for Tekken 8
I just might replace my razer raion pad for this
The button microswitches are the same as those in your typical computer mouse. I don't think it's accurate to say they're like a laptop chiclet keyboard. Unless you mean specifically those MacBook air keyboards with basically 0 travel? Then yeah I agree.
Also I agree they should have used something like a Cherry low profile for the buttons. And mechanical switches would be way more appropriate on the d pad. For reliability, durability and accuracy. Why won't manufacturers do this?!
Which Control Pad you think is better?
Hori Fighting Commander Octa
Victrix Pro BFG
Thanks for your reply.
One is 60 bucks and one is 180...come on bro.