20 May 1536 - Henry VIII and Jane Seymour get betrothed
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- Опубликовано: 18 май 2019
- King Henry VIII wasted no time in May 1536. With wife number 2 dead and buried, he quickly moved on to wife number 3, getting betrothed to Jane Seymour the day after Anne Boleyn's execution and marrying her ten days later.
Claire Ridgway, author of "The Fall of Anne Boleyn", gives all the details in today's final Fall of Anne Boleyn video, including the "murmurings" about the king and his new sweetheart.
If I was Jane I would be terrified of marrying this serial- killing mass murderer
Henry was despicable in his crass actions on this date. Poor Anne's body wasn't even cold in the grave. Yet he was merrily off on his next pursuit to gain a son. I just feel so badly for the young, motherless, Elizabeth. Thank you again, Claire, for breathing life into these people's sad ends for the sake of the king's vanity and lust for a son.
Do you know who taught me to view these people as people and not just characters? You did, Claire. It is your passion, the way you tell us the details of their lives, everything, that brings them to life. I, for one, am incredibly grateful for that. I adore history, I love to learn about history, but I must admit that I would struggle to humanise people, but you helped me and for that, I truly am grateful.xx
Thank you, that means such a lot to hear that.
Totally agree!!
I agree ☝️
It just seems so ironic & hypocritical that Henry & Jane got married in secret to avoid scandal. He didn't care what people thought when he threw Katherine to the side for Anne, then sent innocent people to their deaths because Anne failed to give him a son. I can't make sense of it.
Well. He also married Anne in secret… he was a problematic person living in a problematic system
Given Henry VIII's propensity toward ridding himself of two previous wives in short order, did it NEVER occur to Jane's father that his daughter, too, could so easily be removed from her position as Henry's queen? Even though she did produce the required male heir, she, too, might have fallen out of favor and removed, one way or another. Her premature death due to puerperal fever made that answer forever unknowable, I know. However, apparently, being in the king's favor, even for a short time, was more important than the life of a daughter, who could be nothing more than a pawn in a game played by patriarchal males.
"Remember this Henry. Elizabeth will be a great Queen than any king of yours. She will rule a greater England than you could ever have built. Yes. My Elizabeth shall be queen and my blood will have been well spent". Anne of the Thousand Days (1969).
Anne had no reason to believe that Elizabeth would ever be queen at the time of her death, but it is a good dramatic device.
@@andrewschroeder7259 and Zachary Clark, yes, and it was written in the 1948 original Broadway play by Maxwell Anderson, acted by Joyce Redman as Anne and Rex Harrison as Henry. The 1969 film was based on this play. Anderson often gave his characters historical hindsight for dramatic effect.
YES - indeed, if Anne did ever speak words even similar to this in her lifetime, she would have been right. . .
Had she actually made that speech on the scaffold, she would have ensured Elizabeth's end was similar to poor Teddy, Earl of Warwick.
@@WomenOverPhotoProject No I do not think so... Henry VIII would not have killed his daughter... His eldest daughter Mary a devout Catholic surely would have spoken up and he would have looked all the more a tyrant had he killed a child! ...so, on this one, I tend to disagree. . . Henry would not have risked an uprising for the murder of a child... In those days, it would not have gone down well. . . This is one reason the killing of the Princes in the Tower was made 'under the cloak of secrecy' and never disclosed ...their bodies not to be found for centuries (and to this day, have they ever been discovered?). Henry VIII would have committed the ultimate stupid move had he dared touch a hair on Elizabeth's young head... - both for those of religious inclination and in political terms as well as in terms of morals and ethics... for most people it would not have been acceptable no matter how some hated Anne. . . Perhaps he could have risked an uprising among the nobility as well had he done such a thing. . . Elizabeth was an innocent Princess of the blood royal. . . A people's revolt would have been possible even if Anne Boleyn was considered a 'putain' (French for prostitute or whore). In what Claire presented here she does mention correspondence alluding to Anne Boleyn as such... - however, the man who wrote the letter condemns Henry VIII for his unscrupulous actions (betrothal and marriage soon after Anne's death) which come to think of it provides Anne with a better image in a sort of 'call to respect' for her death in some way. . . The 'putain' did not look so bad anymore when the letter itself defended respect for her in death if you can see what I mean here and the 'sentiment' was likely common in both in the hallways of the nobility as well as the proletariat who would not have stood by to see Elizabeth be killed no matter what Anne Boleyn would have said... Aside this, Anne was smart enough to have a document drawn whereby her children would sit on the throne (if I am not mistaken here) and such document protected Elizabeth from harm more than likely. . . Henry VIII would have risked his own head and throne had he touched Elizabeth.
Again, thank you. Thanks to you, all the victims do feel like people..not just characters. They were real, and it feels (and has felt throughout your countdown) more real than ever hearing the contemporary accounts of those who were there.
Thank you, I'm so glad that I have brought them to life for you.
Eustace! Dude, how can you be shocked after Henry kicked the first Queen to the curb, killed Sir Thomas Moore, treated Princess Mary and Princess Elizabeth so terribly, killed Queen Anne and others on BS charges, and him marrying Jane one day later is shocking? Friend, it's just another day on the Henry crazy train.
If Henry had acted like he had empathy or humanity, I'd figure he was ill.
Thank you Claire, I so enjoyed this little series. 💕
Thankyou for this last video in this series Claire....I did send out a little prayer for Anne & her unfortunate companions in this unjust & farcical situation....May they all rest in peace.....
The characters I have read about for years have walked off the pages and become even more real.
The more I research them, the more real they are to me.
Oh, how tacky!! I'm surprised that they were not thrown from the country. People must have been aghast, but unable to do anything. Plus, those poor widows being left with the tarnished reputation of s husband who truly loved them and never did anything wrong.
Thank you again for bringing us this series!!!
Thank you for bringing all of these dark facts to light for us. I am completely disgusted with King Henry. I had no idea the betrothal was the day after the beheading. Anne was too good for him.
I am now fully convinced that Henry VIII was, at the very least, a narcissistic sociopath. Thank you so much for presenting Anne’s story with such lucidity. I feel that she is being vindicated at last. 💕
Thank you for these excellent videos Claire. The brevity of this series brings into sharp focus how quickly Anne’s fall was.
Hoping you continue your other series (On this day in Tudor history) beyond 31 December as you will be sorely missed.
Thank you for doing this series. Excellent! I wonder why Jane Seymour didn't fear for her life, rather than marrying Henry. At least Catherine got a divorce. Henry was one of the biggest jerks in history.
RoseLynn Covington perhaps as a way to keep her head it was slightly less dangerous than refusing him. Tragic that after producing a son she died soon after.
RoseLynn Covington...You didn't say no to the king. Also, women back then, since they had no rights, did what their family told them to do. If Jane's father and/or brothers told her "you will marry the king," then she really had no choice.
She probably didn’t have much of a choice. If King wanted to marry you, you got married to the king. Plus she was 27 years old. Probably not a lot of other suitors
Thank you for sharing your videos on this. It is so sad how Queen Anne was treated.
Thank you for this series Claire, it was really interesting but so sad- I see Anne Boleyn so differently now, in a much more human fashion. What a tragedy
Thank you for all your insight into the events that led up to the execution of Anne Boleyn. I agree that there was so much more tragedy than just her loss of life. Henry was a Terrible king who thought of no one but himself. I enjoy your explanations. Thank you.
Henry really took his time to mourn huh
According to Alison Weir….shrugs..Henry wore white mourning clothes on the day after he and Jane were betrothed so 21th May.(Six Wives p 342).
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All of 20 seconds! How did he see Elizabeth?
Thanks for this series Claire.
It would be really interesting to know more about who Jane Seymour was as she was always portrayed as very pious- but I am now seeing her as very manipulating. However, I am wondering if I am seeing her wrongly as I saw Anne for so long. I think all Henry's wives were victims and history has painted them in a very one dimensional way
Thanks so much, Claire for all the extra work you put into this series. Your deep knowledge and passion for the subject shone through and gave me a much clearer understanding of this fascinating woman and the tragedy of her ending.
Thank you so much for this series.
Thank you Claire. These are brilliant.
Well done, Claire. I just wonder when Jane took that boat ride to join Henry, if she ever considered that she could have the same fate as Anne, if she only produced female issues.
This series of videos was wonderful. Thank you!
These videos on Anne's fall have been informative and a lovely tribute to her. Thank you, Claire!!
Thank you so much for sharing these videos again. I have been thinking and praying for these people all day today. It is so horrible to ponder and yet know it is true. You have been so committed to keeping Anne Boleyn alive and educating us to know there is so much more to the person she was. Be well and be blessed. ♥️
Lucy Worsley said Jane was the only wife of Henry who got it right. She had a son and then died before Henry got tired of her.
There was a bit of discussion somewhere on the Anne Boleyn Files, that since we do not know her birth year, did Henry get rid of her because of her age, possibly as old as 36? I had read that Jane was 25 and here it is said she was twenty-seven. 27 years + 9 months gestation if she got pregnant on her wedding night = about age 28. If the first was a daughter or miscarried, Jane would have soon been over 30 when subsequent children would be born. I am surprised Henry did not choose a younger woman, say age 23 or so.
The whole thing with Jane was obscene. I wonder what Jane felt about Queen Anne when she served as lady in waiting?
Anna Morris...Jane didn't get pregnant on their wedding night. Henry and Jane married in May 1536 and their son Edward was born in October 1537. Do the math. They were married awhile before she got pregnant.
So tacky and tasteless!!! Shame on Henry and Jane!! May Queen Anne 👑 and the other innocent victims rest in eternal peace. Thank you again for this fantastic series!! ❤️
Will miss hearing more about Anne boleyn
Just go to Claire's website The Anne Boleyn Files.
Don't worry, I'll still be doing my Questions about Anne Boleyn videos.
It still blows me away how quickly Henry moved on!!
These timeline videos were fascinating. Love the detail and your insights of each days events. I look forward to reading your books.
Even a year after I watched one video a day to feel the countdown. And YES it has gone so fast. It's so shocking! Poor Anne. And Henry not only was he an egoistic cruel tyrant, but he had no more decency. Getting betrothed the day after his wife's death, and married 10 days after. It's awful.
Thank you so much for this countdown and all the fantastic work with your videos. I'll keep watching the others.
🇺🇸 By no means am I condoning what Henry VIII did to Anne & her brother and the faithful servants of the crown, however Katherine of Aragon was treated awfully & Anne knew this. Sometimes as women we think too much with our heart when we need to start thinking more with our head. That way we get to keep it!🇬🇧
True, although Anne didn't deserve the horrific suffering she went through, nobody does, there is an element of karma in it. She was fine with him treating Katherine and his own daughter horribly. What's the worst is all the completely innocent people who suffered as collateral damage. R.I.P. 🕯️
I think the buck has to stop with Henry for Catherine and Mary's treatment. He was the one in control and Mary's treatment got worse after Anne's death. Anne played her part in encouraging it, but she wasn't responsible for it.
Anne at LEAST had the good grace to escape court and try and cut Henry off as soon as he tried to court her. When Henry started saying his marriage was illegitimate and he was going to annul it and make her Queen, her escape routes were closed off. When you’re a subject and you’re dealing with a King as tyrannical as Henry, you WILL accept his proposal, and your only options are to learn to love him or to put on a mask and bear it.
There’s a reason Henry still managed to find 3 more wives even though every woman in Europe who had any semblance of a choice noped out of there.
Anne also probably didn’t have much of a choice when Henry started to pursue her. No other man in the kingdom would want to cut in on the Kings pursuit of her. Either be his mistress or maybe with some luck marry him if he got an annulment. She probably would have led a much happier life if Henry had left her alone.
@@aikikaname6508, you’re right. She did try to fade away from his attentions.
There is no reason for us to think Anne didnt believe Henry's marriage wasn't valid the way he told her. Also, I have been watching the Spanish Princess series that is on now and 1. Its really divorced from fact 2. The author and media really go out of their way to excuse Henry of blame in my opinion. The book series by Gregory and this show is setting it up like Katherine lied from the beginning so she should have known it would end badly...
It's not fair to judge these women from where we stand today. Woman have rights & freedom that these women could only dream of. Even though I'm critical of how Katherine handled Scotland & her divorce - I wouldnt ever say she deserved any of it and neither did Anne & the men. Henry was in charge! Henry was king! He has a pattern of behaviour that he repeated over and over and yet people still want to blame Anne. Smh.
thank you very much for this series that began in April and that I have followed daily with much interest, it has been great. I knew a lot about Anna Bolena (my favorite history character and opera by Donizetti ¡¡¡ :-) but thanks to these videos I have learned even more about a lot of things, so thanks a lot¡¡¡¡ it has been a great idea to make this series ¡¡ best regards :-)
So sad & just awful. I remember reading this little poem “Anne Boleyn you’ve been undone your mortal sin you bore no son”
Well done series!
Wonderful series, Claire! Brava!
Thank you for your videos. I'm no fan of Anne Boleyn but I have enjoyed every installment immensely. Cheers!
Hey Claire I've enjoyed this wonderful series soooo much and you know I subscribed the very second I saw your original content.. As my family On dad's side came from the union of Henry and Mary Boleyn I'm saddened by Anne's demise more than I can say.... Have a great day Paula 64 in the uk
Thank you! ❤
Your videos and perspective are excellent Claire. I laughed some when you said we come here to get our 'Tudor fix' ...I guess I am part of those now... *smile*
I remember how delighted I was when I discovered the Anne Boleyn Files website many years ago. It was so lovely to find a place that didn't defame or demean her. How lovely to find you here, Claire. You have edified and presented things in ways I'd not thought of before. What a complete ogre "Good King Hal" turned out to be. He brought nothing but tragedy to every woman he married, and to his friends as well.
Thank you for not ending your videos at 19th May and doing this one to finish, it feels less devastating this way. I listened to all your videos, each one several times, as I am doing the cross stitch portrait of Anne (based on Hever Castle one), so I cannot watch, but I listen. I never thought of any of the people involved as some text book characters, but as real people who lived in those scary times, tried to live as well as they could, and who suffered too. You now, we tend to think that tyranny, authoritarianism are 20th century realities and we tend to be sympathetic to the sufferings of people who faced the brutality of Stalin, Hitler, other such like leaders, and we understand the emotional climate of terror in which people lived and how that terror distorted human behaviour, and we excuse and sympathise even with less courageous behaviour. But we need to see the Tudor court also as a very dangerous place, and even though people thought their soul is eternal, they valued their human life on earth too and feared losing it. And that fear made them do horrible things to others. Anne, I believe, became the victim of Cromwell reading Henry's mind and anticipating his next wish, because he himself feared the consequences of not serving the king well, or even being afraid of the power Anne could have over him. Best defence is an attack, this sort of mentality.
Thank you Claire for a really moving series. It's struck me anew how quickly it all happened and how truly awful it was that so many innocent people suffered.
Thank you Claire. I am enjoying your daily videos, more than I can say. I find myself a bit obsessed with Anne. She was such an interesting woman. It breaks my heart that Henry's obsession with having a son caused him to turn his back on Anne.
It's shocking how quickly Henry moved on. I wonder how Jane Seymour really felt.
Thank you for The Fall of Anne Boleyn videos Claire. They are very interesting and educational.
You have worked very hard. Keep up the good work. 😃
Just when I think my opinion of Henry can sink no lower, Claire reminds me just how evil he was. Rest in peace, Queen Anne
Thank you for presenting this series, Claire. Watching everyday's events has really bought it home to me just how tragic, and how frightening, it must have been for the victims and their loved ones. As you rightly point out, these were human beings not fictional characters, and Tudor justice was swift and brutal. I also wonder how Jane Seymour felt about what was happening to her, and what might happen if she could not produce the longed-for son? Surely she must have had some level of fear for her own future? No English king had ever executed a consort before, so he was capable of anything. Thank you again for your intelligent and insightful series. Regards Margie.
Thank you so much Claire for doing this countdown . A job well done. I also appreciate your reminders of the fact that they were real people and that there were consequences effecting those very real lives. Thank you again.
Thank you for this wonderful series. I really enjoyed it despite the sadness it’s made up of. I learned so many interesting things I wasn’t aware of and you make a very good point about keeping in mind the fact that these were real people who were executed under totally fabricated charges.
Thousands of people were beheaded during Henry's reign. He was an egotistical monster.
Thank you.
Thank you Claire for all you've done for these victims and their families.
If Anne boleyn could talk to you i feel. She would thank you for believing her of her innocence plus I'm sure she would thank you for keeping her memories alive .thank you so much.
I hope so!
Thank you Claire. I will remember all the victims of 1536 today. May they rest in peace.
Thank you so much for offering some closure on the sad execution videos with this addition to the Fall of Anne Boleyn series. It seems that not only were Anne's and the other men's executions carried out with great speed but so was Henry's remarriage, Do you think his character changed after he received a severe head injury during his jousting accident for him to act so weirdly?
It is possible. I recommend the documentary Inside the Body of Henry VIII. They make a strong case that his moods and behavior may have been caused in part by traumatic brain injury.
No, I don't think he changed after his accident. Before his accident he'd already executed Empson, Dudley, Elizabeth Barton, More, Fisher, the Carthusian monks, boiled a man alive....
Claire, Thank You so much for this series. I've learned so much more about what happened during these past weeks of the Series & have loved each & every one because of that. I've sent links to friends who are History Teachers & they're going back & updating their Lesson Plans on Anne's Fall due to you doing this.
It's truly terrifying just how fast this all happened to Anne & the Men who were all unjustly Executed. It's equally chilling that, the day after Anne was executed, Henry & Jane are betrothed. I mean it's just so...sorry, but only word I can come up w/....Icky!!
All this bloodshed & carnage & all for the want of a Legitimate Baby Prince. I've gotten nailed for saying that in the past, because it's an over simplified summing up of things, but is it really? It was Henry's driving force behind everything he did after all. So is it over simplifying everything Henry VIII did? IMO, no.
Anyway....You didn’t bring any gloominess into my day, because it's been gloomy enough!! Never fails...Victoria Day Long Weekend here in Canada & the weather's cold, damp, rainy & miserable!! Add on that I'm a Game of Thrones fan & I'm just not ready for tonight's Final Episode, as I've got a very strong feeling there's still at least one big twist coming our way. Regardless, I fully expect to have my heart shattered at the end of it. So for me, no worries about adding more gloom to my day. 😄😁😄
Thanks again for this Series & Take Care!! 😊
I am also waiting for GOT's final episode, just 35 more minutes 💁♀️🔥💔💔
4 of Henry's queens on the wall, 4 of Henry's queens . . .
If one of those queens should happen to fall. . . . 👑
The emotional damage Henry caused radiated out ad infinitum through the families, friends, aquaintences, etc of the executed for his own selfish reasons. I know of no other historical figure as cold and callous as he.
There are, though!
Anne lived on in her daughter Elizabeth I ...
The Greatest Prince Henry VIII could ever have hoped for. 💕
And Henry's insanity doesn't stop with Jane Seymore's death. He marries 3 more times after that, as we all know. Given that he became King because his older brother had died before him, I suppose he thought that having a male heir and a male spare was prudent.
Thank you Claire for these videos. They are very interesting. I actually feel very sad for Catherine of Aragon. She really didn't deserve the horrible treatment she received from her husband. And she died sad, humiliated and hurt.
Beautiful tribute to remember Queen Anne. Ty, Claire for all your work. Certainly, Elizabeth was affected by this tragic event and loss...a girl always needs her mother, and the effects of this loss likely shaped the monarchy's future...hmmm... Lots to think about...🌹
You are absolutely right. No one deserves to be executed on false charges. Their families suffered loss and shame. Elizabeth had to grow up without her mother. I can’t imagine what she felt towards her father knowing he had her mother beheaded.
With sounding like prude. I can't even date a girlfriends' ex boyfriend or husband, yuck. Poor Queen Anne her best friend Jane S. marring her husband and having a child with Henery VIII. Self centered didn't even let the marriage bed get cold.
Is there anything like a rebound betrothal? Not even 24 hours after Anne is dead, Henry is back at it! C.S. O'Loughlin's outrage is so on point. What a nasty, vindictive, amoral man. He must've had a serious brain problem. Nothing like moving into a dead woman's house, eh Jane? Getting married in it? Is that also where Henry's son was born? He probably would've gotten bored with Jane, had she not died from childbed fever. No family deserves what those people received at Henry's hands. Thank you for this amazing upload, Claire.
Ive enjoyed this series, but please would you film the next one in a location more conducive to decent audio quality? Thanks.
The casual use of “karma” is how we reassure ourselves that bad things will never happen to us. It’s an incredibly destructive mindset and we should all eradicate it from our thought processes.
I think we reap what we sow, but I don't believe in karma or fate.
is it not ironic that 11 days after Anne's execution Henry and Jane get married and 12 days after Jane gives birth she dies?
I am watching your video today, which is actually the 19th of May in the USA, and oddly enough, being Sunday here, the 3rd episode of "THE SPANISH PRINCESS" will be airing on the 482nd anniversary of Anne's death.
483rd.
🇭🇲🦘 There is no way that Jane Seymour didn't know what was going on behind the scenes, in regard to Anne Boleyn's circumstances or end.
Then, the next day, to be betrothed to marry the King. Not sure who to be angrier with - Jane or Henry. Probably Henry! ...
CLAIRE: .. This series of videos on "The fall of Anne Boleyn" have really opened my eyes to what actually took place during these final days. It was a great idea of yours to produce this Series, but I do feel that it took a lot 'out of you' emotionally, especially given your passion for your historical heroine. cont....
Please know that all of your work is very much appreciated. A big WELL DONE. "Thank you" Claire 💓👑👍.. Take care!
What did George Bolyne look like? Are there any portraits of him?
I like your posts bc of the compassion you bring to these situations in 1536. Question about Jane Seymour: being in her late 20s, was she already regarded as a spinster of few options? Had she other opportunities for marriage in the past? Thank you!
She was quite "old" to be unmarried and it has been said that she had another match break down.
Henry had already left Anne Boleyn in his mind and heart some time ago. He had transferred his loyalty to her, so that she was nothing, just a memory of someone who didn't count for him anymore. That's why he could be so cheerful with Jane Seymour, and become betrothed. Anne was a nuisance, in that he had to wait until she was dead in order to pop the question. They could have been secretly betrothed even earlier than this day, in a conversation like "What would you say if I asked you....?" Henry was not loyal to others, but demanded loyalty from them. He could not tolerate another viewpoint, or any difference of opinion (which was demonstrated in narcissistic rage). I have no doubt that had Edward VI not lived, that something would eventually have happened to Jane. She would have ended up in a nunnery, since she was so compliant, is my guess.
Anne got back exactly what she did to the true and lawful queen Catherine of Aragon. Catherine was a real person too, who did nothing, nothing to deserve her own cruel fate. I have very little sympathy for Anne Boleyn
Catherine wasn't beheaded, so your point is ridiculous.
Very sad.. I'll remember them
So was Queen Jane already pregnant when she got married? Or was this a premature birth?
i just finished reading your book, and you have an amazing point on page 229 the speed of events, on how with catherine howard's case ittook so long comparing to annes; it was all a plot, not doubt, poor anne God bless her innocent soul
What sad ending for all the innocent men and anne. Makes me angry that Henry disrespected anne by trying to replace her with Jane Seymour what a horrible man x
Mzrry in haste. repent at leisure but who was the one repenting? Henry or Jane?
Duty before love and Anne and George already were saying Henry was impotent so he had to hurry
I recently came across a documentary called 'Henry and Anne, the lovers who changed history'. In this docu, the host, Dr Lipscomb, makes absolutely no reference to the timeline of April - May 1536 re. the development of Henry's interest in Jane Seymour. Ives's well researched and well trusted biography of Anne Boleyn, published during the 1980s, does mention this timeline, including even a moment where Henry was asking the Seymour family about the women's ability to bear sons. I just cannot fathom how Dr Lipscomb could not know about this. I was further disturbed when she stated that she thinks Henry 'believed' in the accusations thrown at Anne.
The whole Seymour courtship timeline points at a completely different interpretation: Henry had to trash Anne's reputation using the notion of hyper sexuality (to be fair on Lipscomb, she does say that this notion is traditionally used to destroy women)....because he coldly wanted rid of her to make way for a son producing machine, and one was already lined up. Chapuis's well known line 'she [Anne] miscarried of her saviour' is to be trusted here, in spite of what we know about the diplomat's biased opinions...Anne's miscarriage of a son very probably marked the point where Henry made up his mind to get himself a new spouse....at any cost.
So very sad.. have mercy on Anne’s soul
I would love a miniseries on the wives and their stories leading up to marrying Henry.
How cold hearted Henry VIII was. I wonder how the common people felt at having their Queen so brutally murdered and then replaced. Some may not have liked her for her role in the divorce of Henry's Queen Catherine, but seeing the King as a tyrant may have been an eye-opener. Shocking even in this day and age!
Just shows you, that it had NOTHING to do with love or affection. But all about the important heir. Sad thing is, genetics or the will I have a girl or boy depends on the man. Henry killed her for absolutely no reason other than she didn’t give him a son. Not that I’m talking ill of Anne, but didn’t she look at the example of how Henry discarded Katherine??? That should have shown her his lack of “respect” for females, and how easily he tossed Katherine aside. His ego was astounding, Jane would have been in the same boat, had she not given him a living heir. Heck he would have stayed with Katherine, had their son survived. Another great video lady Claire, albeit a sad one😥🇬🇧😥🇬🇧😥🇬🇧
As much as I love your videos as long as you keep taping in the kitchen I simply can't listen to them. The sound quality is appalling and irritating!
I turn the volume down and turn on the closed captioning. It is not 100% correct but easy to follow.
Always makes me feel so sad for Anne. Also for all the other innocent souls executed by Henry to further his rutting cause.
Unseemly haste. Gad! What a piece of work Henry was.
Tell me Jane, was it worth it? At 27 you must have been really desperate to allow him to kill 6 people to get you a wedding ring!
Thank you, Claire, for this very real look into the past. It really hit home. The last couple of days I’ve been immensely sad, today, I’m angry!!!
lhzook and on top of that she will end up dying shortly after their son was born. What’s to say if she had lived and the child had not that she would have wound up just like Anne. 😕
lhzook I doubt she was desperate, her family would have been. After all they had seen all the honours Henry bestowed upon the Boleyn family to get Anne and marry her. They knew that there was a strong possibility that they would climb the court ladder, be given titles and land if Henry married Jane. Women in those days were pawns in the marriage market and marriage for was political and financial gain. If love was involved you were lucky. Henry seemed to be prone to romanticism and Jane giving him a son and then dying kept him in that honeymoon period. I did read that even while married to Jane he became anxious she was not falling with child fast enough and was already having affairs.
@@mariafury1047 Lordy! Is that true? This is the first I have heard that. He did appreciate Jane most, in hindsight, given his chosen burial site, it seems.
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@@kkay3784--You are correct; he is buried beside Jane. However, in life, I think he most appreciated Anne of Cleves. He was generous and kind to her, since--of all his wives--she was the most willing to accede to his wishes and lived on in England as his "sister" and lived out her life in Hever Castle (yes. the Boleyn's Hever Castle). Her submission to Henry's wishes is what probably saved her life--that, and Henry didn't need to be at war with Anne's brother, the Duke of Cleves and his allies.
Very sad events that are unthinkable on so many levels. He had already broken with the Church; why couldn't he have annulled the marriage. Why such cruelty? It was ironically Elizabeth I who became the Queen in the golden age. I always wondered why she never married. This knowledge must have been so traumatic.
you should commission a company to make replicas off Anne’s famous necklace so your fans can purchase them
That's almost worse than the execution - so dismissive of the woman who had once been so important to him.
Poor Anne 🌹🌺
That is appalling. You called her , Jane, Mrs. Was she widowed ?a proven brood mare ? Sorry so crass. But that is what Henry did. Search for a mare to foal him a little stud colt to continue his line of breeding so a Tudor male would reign. Sorry, horse analogies . I had horses for 35 years. You would be maybe a bit surprised at the parallels between breeders and, well, breeders.😉
"You called her , Jane, Mrs" Chapuys called her Mrs Semel, i.e. Mrs Seymour, but that would have meant "mistress" in those days. She hadn't been married.
@@anneboleynfiles Thanks Claire.
I have always heard Jane Seymour described as a quiet little mouse of a woman, but after watching this video I have changed my mind. It takes a lot of -- I'm not sure of the word to use here -- to step into another woman's shoes while they are still warm. Especially when they have been vacated in the way this particular pair was. Although it is not entirely appropriate I am reminded of Hamlet's comments on his mother's remarriage. "A beast that wants discourse of reason would have mourned longer."
With The possible exception of Elizabeth I, all of the Tudors were a _DISEASE,_ in my opinion. Henry VIII inherited his horrible father's (Henry VII) murderous selfishness and complete sociopathic disregard for any consideration but his own greed, lust, and ambition. He could not possibly have suffered enough at his own death to make up for the horrors he created in the lives of others.