Why YELL at New Marine Recruits?
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- Опубликовано: 6 июн 2024
- What does it take to become a marine? Answer with "Yes Sir!" or "No Sir!"
Marines are #NotWhatYouThink #NWYT #longs
Music:
Hold on to That - Experia
Old School Hotshot - Pip Mondy
Grit and Danger - Craft Case
Marching On - Jon Bjork
Pull Back - Brendon Moeller
Soaring - Brendon Moeller
Mars Adventure - Brendon Moeller
Fight for Glory - FormantX
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0:00 Intro
0:21 Receiving
3:11 The Arts of War
4:19 Team Work
6:28 Isolation
6:56 The Yelling
8:19 This is NOT for everyone
The real question, of course, is how do you turn marines back into civilians.
Then comes the question, do they really get good enough training in the marines?
Simple you don’t Because once a Marine always a Marine
@@madman6743 yee
@@greengosha lmaooo what the heck
There are always free beds for them in the psychiatric hospital.
We need to shout Marines back into civilians.
"You will stop having PTSD and not be homeless!"
_Sir, yes, sir!_
You go be successful and get a good job and live a decent life
Sir yes sir!
YOU DONT NEED TO GET A HAIRCUT EVERY MORNING,
NOOR DO YOU NEED TO SHAVE.
@@ComsicHatM Aye sir!
NOW GET YOUR ASS UP AND MAKE YOURSELF A CUP O COFFEE!!
@@animasityal-waafy4713 Sir yes sir!!
"There's no "I" in Marine", spoken like a true marine
Soo most marines don't know how to spell?
@@havoknkhaos91 who need big brain when u have big bicep and big gun and fight for "freedom"
I really don’t understand this idea, most marines, or any military roles, really, require at least average intelligence. Sure, there are a few dumb dumbs, but those probably aren’t going to get far
@@12D_D21 It's a joke in the military that Marines are dumb, soldiers are weak, sailors are gay, and airmen are pussies.
-inteeligence Not Essential
I think the most useful reason for the incessant yelling is, because of the fact of being sleep deprived, it helps to keep recruits awake and alert. The worst thing in training is the classroom learning because it was brutal trying to stay awake
I remember that first "AM I BORING YOU?"
@@benb9151 YES U R
I serve in the idf and i can confirm classroom lessons are the toughest when trying to stay awake
They want to discomfort you
@@viarnay That's true but there's much more to it than that
if screaming at civilians turns them into marines then does whispering at marines turn them into civilians ?
Good question 🤔
Very underrated comment
I wonder if a person who can't speak can join.
So stupid
Look at Bob Ross. He wasn't a marine, though.
The civilians: suffering
The cameraman: *I have never felt such immunity*
The cameraman is usually already a marine
Nice
yes
cameramen never die
@@justsomeordinarykid923 and almost nobody remembers them... fucking nat 20s on stealth checks and invisibility potions.
The best takeaway from bootcamp is that screaming solves everything. Works great when reentering civilian life.
"It's worth noting that no one is ever physically touched by the DI's."
This is false. They arent supposed to, but they do. I didn't experience anything too painful, but they certainly do "touch" you. I heard from a friend that in his platoon a kid was kicked in the chest because he fell asleep sitting down one time, and he was head butted another time.
I was told in my basic training in Canada if an instructor was going to touch, “I am going to touch you “ they wait for a nod and then fix whatever it was. Usually it was correction of uniform . Sometimes the weapon.
Lol I still remember the recruit who they threw into those industrial sized washing machines because he was sleeping while firewatching for the laundry room
Yea, I chuckle every time they say the DIs never touch you.
Nobody ever mentions how they get the other recruits to beat the shit out of recruits during mcmap training.
@@tricopimp Or how they'll single a recruit out for the entire platoon to hate knowing the next time we get IT'd for his ass he'll get his ass beat at night, probably by firewatch who will then say 'nothing to report' in the log. lmao
We were briefed (army) dozens of times that the DSs could only touch us in a life/death situation. Those briefings did nothing to keep some privates from getting decked in the face.
I legit thought that drill sergeant was gonna pass out of screaming
From what we've researched, they are called drill "instructors", and DIs take drill "sergeant" as an insult (if said intentionally). Just saying, in case you get bidirectionally ass chewed by 3 DIs 😁
@@NotWhatYouThink well, guess who's living in Iran 😂
I love your content btw ❤️
You are probably currently dealing with multi-"dimensional" ass chewing in Iran, with with electricity and water situation 😉
@@NotWhatYouThink Yes! You're well informed.
Keep it up👍
@@NotWhatYouThink The Marines call them Drill Instructors, and the Army calls them Drill Sergeants, which is where the confusion (and the "insult") comes from. Also, never call anybody "Sarge", as that is considered an insult as well. The proper enlisted way to shorten it is "Sar'n", which you'll hear used in some of the more authentic movie/TV depictions. Some officers tend not to appreciate its use, though.
I was always immune to the yelling, and saw it as part of the game. I would always stare at the area between the eyes and slightly above. My senior (SDI) appeared to have caught on and would instead talk to me in a low voice up close. Maybe he assumed I was blocking out the yelling even though I wasnt. I just decided to not react to it. I remember one recruit getting dogged out in a corner of the squad bay. Poor recruit jumped back in fear when a DI got on him. The DI quickly took him aside and in a low voice told him to not be scared, and jump back like that. He told him he was not going to hit him, and he didnt need to react in that manner. The DI was annoyed the recruit would overreact like that. That moment really humanized the DIs for me, and confirmed the mental game I had assumed all along.
I imagine this is how I'd be, but having never been through it, I can only wonder.
Soooo... having to whip people into shape, but you can't use the whip. Guess they are trying to make the most of what they're allowed to use--a commanding voice.
I can imagine a lot of sadist go out their way to be DIs and don't share your perspective.
@@lachlanmclennan2188 Masochists, more like! Imagine the strain all that yelling would have on your throat.
The first interaction I had with my DI was the "steers and qu**rs" routine. My shrug and "I don't care who you date" had the other sergeants laughing their heads off and me doing the first of many, many pushups. In the end, I got through Basic and the psychopath lost his Smokey hat and a stripe.
"During bootcamp, no-one is physically touched by the DI."
I saw one of the other guys in my dorm get his head bashed against a white-board for not following instructions.
You just finished Watching jar heads didn’t you
@@josephbrumfield8741 No, it happened. Guy was shivering in the corner afterwards and left the navy the day after.
@@josephbrumfield8741 i dont know you proly you got good life but school i been through is mess up people mess up i mess up my famly mess up even now not everywhere like what you see on tv and what you been through
@@heavenonearthmemes830 r/thatHappened
@@skaldlouiscyphre2453 If you don’t think Superiors attack their subordinates then you’re living in a fantasy land. People with power will always abuse those who have none.
I was FMF corpsman. Attached to the infantry.
I had great plans for my naval career. Sending me to the infantry derailed all that.
I made great friends, I have mad respect for marines, and I have fond memories of my 3 years with them. However, I was dysfunctional when I got out.
The first sergeant spoke with a handful of us getting out soon. Our transition consisted of him berating us )in formation) that we would amount to very little and we would be back in the SUCK within a year.
It has taken almost 4 decades to recover - and I’m still not ok.
I used to ponder the _”some gave all, and all gave some”_ claim, wondering what I gave. I never saw combat. It was the quiet of the Reagan years. I treated combat-like traumas. Marines do stupid things. But that was the worst of it.
I gave 5 years of time? Ok. But those 5 years would have gone by regardless of what I was doing. It took a long time to realize that I had become a jarhead. My head was opened up, my brains were scrambled and the lid put back on.
I recognize now that I had PTSD when I first got out. (I’ve dealt with that.) I treated my kids like they were in bootcamp. I’m always _’on’_ and paying attention. I avoid crowds. I have difficulty forming healthy relationships.
i propose that 30 days before detachment an enlisted man is transferred to a detachment company. He wears civies. He attends classes. He gets his exit physical and he’s slowly transitioned back to the world.
_once a marine, always a marine_ is true. But it does not have to include the negative effects of serving.
PTSD without ever beeing in combat? It's a fucked up process.
@@jasperzanovich2504 …
Not as severe as anyone that has experienced combat. I have experienced mass casualty situations and treated severe combat-like casualties.
Coupled with the stress of boot camp and always being “on” as well as having no roots and living for 5 years in barracks and eating from chow halls - it has an effect on you.
You’re not normal when you get out. Learning to be a civilian is a difficult process.
@@jasperzanovich2504 It's not even necessarily PTSD in all cases either. I remember conversing with a retired officer after dropping off a car on a tow, and he told me that the hardest part about it was to go from having high spikes of adrenaline practically every day in service to suddenly leaving for a completely relaxing civilian life by comparison. Pretty much leaves people feeling as if they're missing something significant in their life, especially since adrenaline can actually be pretty dang addicting (hence why many can wind up reckless when they leave service). So if someone's somehow completely unfazed by the horrors of combat, they can still wind up mentally fucked up just from the high stress lifestyle alone because of that.
Also apparently the guy I was talking to only had an okay time coping because he went right to a police job afterwards, so he could still get some level of adrenaline in daily activities, cause going with lower and lower doses is far less stressful than essentially going cold turkey by getting a chill office job.
Corpsemen
@@thewizard1 ...
Immediately after boot camp i want to corps school with a few other guys.
First night on liberty one of them got a tattoo that said _CORPSEMAN_ 😂
Either he didn’t know how it was spelled or the artist screwed up.
He caught hell from the rest of us.
The next night he went back out and had it changed to:
_CORPS_ ❤️ _MAN_
Step 1: Feed them crayons
Step 2: Feed them more crayons
Lmaooo bro I'm dead can't even stop laughing while I'm dead hahahah
I am turning myself into a marine
@@whitepirate4098 liar your not dead
@@jitt9264 I'm dead u idiot can u see this is my soul typing this comment
I always wonder how their throats feel after yelling so much
I wouldn't be surprised if some really hurt their vocal cords.
Some do lose their voices but part of drill instructor school is devoted to yelling in a way that doesnt rip apart your vocal cords. That is why you will hear them yelling in that "frog voice"
A lot of that yelling is pent up anger from having to do boot camp over and over again with a bunch of new recruits.
Was in 94-98...all 3 juniors and the senior lost their voices atleast once throughout...and that includes all us recruits...I lost mine too
My voice went away for a few weeks during boot camp but it came back my drill hat also lost his voice so bad one night he literally made us sprint back home cause he couldn’t call cadence anymore
4:27 So when I was doing this drill, when they activated the CS gas, all over your body wherever skin was exposed you felt an intense burning sensation. They instructed us to remove our masks and I immediately squatted down thinking that smoke rises but I was wrong, the CS gas was everywhere, and in retrospect probably more concentrated towards the ground since that's where the canister was. Anyways I was promptly lifted and slammed against the wall by a (DI) drill instructor. Everyone was coughing, eyes watering, noses running. There was a guy who bolted for the exit and I shit you not, was clotheslined by a DI and promptly put back into place. It felt like you were breathing needles. We all had to take our masks off and one at a time say our name and a couple other things, like maybe our weapon serial number or social security number, I cant remember exactly what we had to say but we couldn't put our masks back on and leave until everyone said their info. I distinctly remember afterwards that I'd rather sit in jail for a month then have to breath that shit for 10 minutes. Even when you got out you still felt the burn. We were instructed not to touch our faces. I can't remember if they sprayed us down with a solution to neutralize the gas or not but I do remember that it sucked MAJOR ASS!
Why would they even do that, why not just burn the recruits with a flamethrower? Lol
I went through boot camp in 1990. I’ll never forget the misery of the gas chamber or the fact that gas masks were shared. Recruits coming out of the gas chamber handed recruits going in the disgusting, snot filled gas mask. 🤢
@@Vasily_dont_be_silly 🤣🤣🤣
That gas has to have some long term side effects to surface down the road
the gas chamber traumatized me for life 😂
I know what I went through in Boot Camp in ‘68 and it was an experience, to say the least. Back then, we were hit by our DIs, among other types of abuse and I just saw it as a part of Marine Boot Camp. My dad was in Boot Camp in ‘38 and while he never spoke of his time in the Marines or his time in the South Pacific or the 8 years he served, I can’t imagine what Boot Camp was like back then. He passed before I turned 17, so he never got to see me join.
They warned us on the first day why they would be yelling at us. To condition us against stress. Because it was better to snap in boot camp than it was to snap out in the field, where people would be depending on us. I encountered more stress during my first marriage, years later. Didn't lose that anxiety until I retired.
Lmao you're seriously saying your marriage life is more stressful than a literal military bootcamp? Welp, I guess my parents are much more mentally strong than the average soldiers then
@@enterurnamehere27 You fail to understand. Please try harder. My first marriage, to an incompatible mate, was stressful. Mismatched people are more stressed than military basic training causes people to be. Your parents must be strong, to have spawned deformed children such as you. They deserve better.
@@enterurnamehere27 his marriage life. Not your parents’ 🤨
@@victory7302 I'm using his marriage life to judge how stressful those average married couple, bcuz personally I can see how stressful some aspect of being married and having a family can be based on my personal experiences witnessing married people around me
@@enterurnamehere27 there are some crazy bitches around
"It's all about not quitting" Proceeds to make everyone want to quit as fast as possible
Right! But those who don't quit will become marines 😉
That's my "couple life" technique, the one that stays is the only one worthy 🤣
I look up to DI
If you want to quit after the first day you're not cut out for the Marines, or any other branch of the military for that matter(with the exception of Chair Force MAYBE). We don't need soft people in our Military.
Yes that's the point..
It's not that complicated; it's about acclimatization to pressure with the added bonus of consciously and subconsciously learning to do things "the Marine way" being made into one of the best ways to manage/reduce that pressure. Whether it makes for better soldiers, it turns out the product the Marines thinks it wants, which is really all that matters within an organization which doesn't really question itself and allows few others to question it.
I spent 14 years in the Army and basic training is such a small part of what you experience. Its like having a college age kid and thinking back about that time you had to wake up every few hours when they were a baby or had to change diapers. You just kind of shrug it off about the well that kinda sucked but pretty much everything else was pretty awesome and you wouldn't give up the total experience for anything. Once you make it thru basic and your MOS job training you get promoted back to human with a full time job and you live a normal life again... until you need to go back to another difficult school for your career.
I have never served in the Marine Corps but was enlisted in the US Army for 20+ years. I have never understood why all the "over the top" shenanigans are allowed or even revered of Drill Instructors in the Marine Corps. I don't see how this is even close to being conducive to creating or developing warriors. It appears to be a bunch of "showing off" and buffoonery. Just nonsense.
As a veteran of the Marine Corps and a mentor to future Marines for about 15 years, I clicked on this video thinking it was gonna be a lot of nonsense. To my surprise it is well done and mostly accurate. The isolation isn't as bad as the video makes it seem and only those on the west coast's MCRD San Diego will have to do those uphill hikes. And to make it very clear, ANYONE who ships to boot camp can become a Marine if they want it bad enough seeing as the purpose of boot camp is to pass you and not to fail you. Most who fail boot camp do so due to injury and not because it was too hard. And there is no "special" type of person that becomes a Marine. Ask any honest Marine and they will tell you the USMC is made up of all sorts of characters the same way a police force, sports team, Home Depot crew, etc etc is made up of all sorts of characters.
Iv never been in the military, but that "isolation" part seems litterally blissfull bruh.
Imagine not having any phones or devices, and going throughout your entire day, where someone tells you what to do.
Like it sounds bad, but come to think of it, waking up everyday with some work to do, sounds litterally so good man. Even tho its litteral work, waking up with shit to get done every day, even if its useless, and going through life with someone telling you what to do, honestly is underated.
@@honkhonk8009 speak for yourself; I for one like to decide what I want to do.
@@honkhonk8009 If you don't like being told what to do, the military is definitely not for you dude. Isolation? When I was a recruit I didn't feel isolated at all. You have a whole course of guys going through the same experience with you. I didn't even miss home. I was 19 and it was one big adventure. But if you want to do your own thing, you are the exact type of person who shouldn't join the military.
@@honkhonk8009 been in military for 15 years now as an officer trust me the process works just fine and yes you don’t miss anyone and we were made to go thru an entire year in isolation and by the end of it no one even wanted to get connected back to the online world
@@vikramATtube1 I do not understand why the recruites don't smack the shit out of the instructors, if any person yells at me like that, that close (literally asking for a head but in the mouth) for any reason, that person would better know how to fight or that person is ending up un the ground :)
"The DI's never physically touch a marine"
A DI bit my dad's thumb because he didn't salute the right way . . .
Just imagine What else he would bite for serious offences 🌚
@@ragnarlothbrok2150 ooookkkkkk
But... your dad... thumb...
@@ragnarlothbrok2150 he would ass chew
In times past the rules for Drills were a bit different.
I had my shares of being yelled at. The Drill Instructors knew which Recruits to strengthen more than others. To be quite honest, I'm beyond blessed I had the Drill Instructors I had when I went to Boot Camp. They never gave up on me and I never gave up them, nor myself. I may have only done 8 active years as a Marine, they were the best years of my life. Semper Fi to all of my Marine Brothers and Sisters; Active, Former, Reserve, and Deceased. We all earned the Title. We are the Few, the Proud and we are Marines.
Just goes to show you sometimes the brainwashing never wears off.
@@Shanbo26 a lot of people do not understand the mentality of a Marine. The 14 Leadership Traits still apply and who could ever forget: "J.J.D.I.D.T.I.E.B.U.C.K.L.E.?"
@@kevinpflaum19 I have no idea what this means. Is it supposed to impress me?
And yeah, we figured out the mentality of a marine long ago. It's really not that difficult.
As a Marine and subscriber I am personally love the way you made this video! Thank you sir
What always amazes me is how the DIs can do all of that yelling, constantly, yet actually NOT be angry. You gotta admit, THAT'S impressive.
Well, cocaine is a hell of a drug.
@@PefectPiePlace2 i hope i have ur skill. Its really hard to yell at people for me
Trust me they’re angry haha nobody wants to be a DI, they’re made to work 18 hours a day every day away from their families
I'm not even surprised by not being angry, I'm more surprised these guys don't lose their voice
I'm not sure I've ever yelled at anyone in my life, certainly not in anger
Mr Beast should do a “becoming a marine for 24 hours” video
He would probably just buy them all cars or something 😅
He should become a Marine, then go invade a third-world country but then turn around and buy it.
@@NotWhatYouThink lol
@@NotWhatYouThink buy all tanks.
@@oldmandoinghighkicksonlyin1368 I don't think thats how being a marine works, I've been a marine for some time and haven't seen a check box to invading another country lol
I remember doing a slow jog one morning for PT in AIT at Fort Lee, VA. I remember it was a slow jog because I wasn’t focused on my breathing that morning and was looking around at my environment instead.
I watched a Marine unit also doing PT. They were running with rucks (also a slow jog), but one Marine wasn’t keeping up. His DI kicked him in the chest with a front thrust, knocking him off his feet completely.
I remember being grateful that Army DIs do not put hands on their recruits.
When was this? I was stationed on Fort Lee for my last three years in the Army. I know there's a Marine Detachment but I've never seen Marine Drill Instructors on Fort Lee!
@@KreationsOvMatt
2006
By far the most all around accurate and summed up explanation Marine Corps of boot camp that I've seen on RUclips.
The Finnish Defence Forces Jaeger Brigade was relax, we werent screamed at unless we were in range with earprotection or if someone fucked up bad, the DIs were chill, on the first week after getting our RK-62s, there were cases of accidental fire but the DIs walked up to the guy and just slid the gun to safety and reminded of the safety rules
Exactly. And, are the Finnish bad soldiers because of it?
@@TK-ve1uo well in a military training operation called the "Cold response" which was held in Norway this march. The Finnish defence forces beat the United States marines pretty easily. Not saying that the marines performed poorly, just that the finns were way superior in intelligence and setting up good/hard to see defence positions.
@@walterwichma4474 That's my point. You don't need this de-humanising training to be a good soldier.
@@TK-ve1uo Exactly! I'm myself in the Finnish readiness unit right now and it's really laid back but still we getting the training we require and need and I don't think I'm going to worse in a combat situation because my co didn't scream at me😂😂
@@walterwichma4474 Interesting to hear, especially considering that military service in Finland is compulsory, and in the US only those who willingly want to become soldiers go through the training (I guess, this is comparable to Finnish under-sergeants course).
If you're looking at this getting prepared to go to bootcamp, listen up. The hardest day in the entirety of bootcamp isn't a crucible day. It isn't the first day, it's not final drill or initial drill.
It's CARRY day. Somewhere between phase 1 and 2 you'll be told to grab your war belt, Kevlar, and canteen and to go outside to a field near your squad bay (or inside your squad bay if it's too hot out, you'll have to move your racks to the walls)
You will then be forced to perform combat carries for about 6 hours straight. Then you'll go to chow, and then do it some more. PLEASE HYDRATE. We had more recruits pass out on that day than any other. If you're short, you'll be pair up with a tall person and have to carry them. If you're tall you'll be with someone taller. It's a shit show, easily the worst day.
I found the worst day was actually Gas Chamber day, i still have nightmares about the CS gas.
Its literally 110 fahrenheit at 7pm
So i don't have to worry about the weather.
@@sleeplesshollow4216 I've been wondering if that happens to anybody due to how terrifying it seems and how helpless one must feel. Seems a little different for everyone :/
We had a day like that in the squad bay I can admit I almost passed out lol. We moved every rack to the corners and raced to the front and back hatch. Good times…
I used to think it was the gunshots that damaged the ears of so many in the military (debilitating tinnitus is very common), but maybe the screaming contributes too. Screaming into someones ear can definitely cause permanent damage.
I doubt it.
Drill Sergeants are taught the "frog-voice" to not cause (or at least lessen) hearing damage.
Gunshots are incomparably louder than somebody screaming in your ear
@@sulphuric_glue4468 Yeah, but constant screaming is also pretty terrible
@@sulphuric_glue4468 someone screaming In your ear comes to at the very least 110 decibels. That's enough to cause hearing loss in 2 minutes. Basically, if you don't want hearing loss, don't join the marines.
Royal Marines: 32 weeks brutal training, only shouting when necessary and actually leading recruites in a calm commanding manner.
US Marines: unintelligible screeching for 12 weeks
Lies again? Gold Yellow
Having served as a former DI back in 2000 and going in as a recruit in the early 90s, it was great to see this video and having flashbacks of seeming the island. Shoutout to Tootie the barber at 2:10, a Parris Island legend cutting hair for more than 20 years.
I always wondered: what would happen if a recruit would respond or rebel?
@@florian2199 lol
That's cute.
Wow you guys have one too? Ours is the Dragon Lady.
@@florian2199 They apparently just keep on yelling at them and making them run laps, untill they just deem the guy to be unreliable, and kick him out
@@honkhonk8009 wow that's fucked up
Marine training: Nonstop screaming, getting smoked, and insults
Cadet training: Only time time you’ll hear a cadre member raise their voice is to make themselves heard, I’ve never even heard of a cadet getting smoked, and the closest thing to an insult you'll hear from cadre is "You can do better than that."
2:44 those DIs shouted themselves sweaty.
You can get smoked in Cadet Training.
@@griffin_5979 I feel I should clarify that I'm referring to college ROTC, not the cadet training many nations have for high-school age kids.
The sergeants in cadre are in an interesting spot. Depending on how you read AR-620-100, we may or may not outrank them, and in any case it's bad form for NCO's to smoke their soon-to-be officers.
Now, the _officer_ cadre could smoke us all they wanted, unless there's some prohibition I'm unaware of. But they don't, because it would be useless and counterproductive. Everyone there is fit, highly motivated, and quite intelligent, or else they wash out in their first term as an MS I.
@@jamesharding3459 i was referring to JROTC
@@griffin_5979 Hence our different experience and expectations.
this will be me in a month, these videos are helpful for getting me excited rather than indifferent
"It's worth noting that no one is ever physically touched by the DI's."
I have multiple buddies who went through Parris Island who have some insane stories that don't exactly support that lol
Shouldn’t is the better term lol
@@josephbrumfield8741 This video is propaganda. Take it with a grain of salt.
Not touched without provocation*
My most emotional moments were watching my parents pass away after a long, happy life. My second most emotional moment was having SDI SSgt Leanos placing my EGA in my hand July 1st, 2003. Before, it was always "this recruit," but that emblem was earned.
I saw a goose wandering around my university eating grass looking for food. Even though geese hiss at you when you get close, beneath it all they are just struggling to survive. It was emotional for me.
GIRLY GIRLY
"Emotional"
These replies have the emotional maturity of a 4 year-old. Thanks for the comment klonk.
@@Vurinati you are yet to understand the journey that is existence
They don't do well getting back to civilian life. My father was a Marine, and I could not stand being around him. For 60 years.
Thanks for sharing. I get that this was *your* *experience* but is this common? (I just don't know)
@@NotWhatYouThink sady yes it is
It's gotten a lot better. A guy I work with was a DI, and they have him a couple months off when his duty was done so he could be with his wife and cool down the attitude. They also gave him classes when he was getting out that helped reacclimate to civilian life. In my dad's day, they didn't have this, so at least not the military is trying to help them out.
@@NotWhatYouThink the US military use to be bad about their personnel well being but from what I heard is they finally realized they can't just replace people once it becomes inconvenient. For moral reasons but also because they don't have replacements.
It's breaking the humanity, and reprogramming them, and it triggers aggressions, also being punished for the faults of others or because of a tiny thing, add the lack of sleep and you will hate yourself the staff sergeants and the guys who mess up, it's a circle of hate. I don't think you make truly good soldiers like that, you make good dogs like that, but human should understand why he is wrong, why he should improve and behaviour science has shown time and time again that yelling leads to the opposite. They will swallow their hate and keep it and that's dangerous. I did boot camp in the German army with the mountaineers so we had 30kg of gear and gowing up mountains, but we could joke and have fun sometime, but still delivered and got yelled at for stupid things.
Scary as hell at the time, but one of the best decisions I ever made! Thanks for creating this video.
One of my favorite memories of MCRD San Diego in the fall of 1990 was having to take “cattle cars” to the navy boot camp while our chow hall was under renovation. As we stood silently in formation at parade rest waiting for our ride back to MCRD one evening, our drill instructor called us to attention as the navy recruits walked by on the way back to their barracks. We were commanded “right face” and had to respond “cock and drive” as we executed the movement. The sound of nearly 100 Marine recruits sounding off that response after standing in silence all those minutes caused some passing navy recruits (female by their voices) to scream as we startled them.
You are a part of the Navy. Remember, Marines stands for "My a** rides in naval escort services" For all we know, those females were your captain later.
@@zulimi god i gotta use that acronym thats perfect. true though, thats what i was saying to someone else. you can have the best military spirit in the world but without infrastructure to move said troops around and supply said troops they may as well be armed with rocks and clubs
I serve in Ukrainian Army for 3 month since the russian invasion to my homeland. And here nobody never yells to anybody. As my colonel said: nobody is higher or lower in Ukrainian Army, we all just have different tasks. That makes the atmosphere of friendship and brotherhood for all of us and everyone trusts to everybody. I think it's really important goal and it really works.
Сил вам. Побыстрее бы это безумие кончилось.
@@folou9199 дякую!
Good luck! Hope you win.
@@saumitrsharma2816 thanks! We'll win for sure!
You are in an actual large scale war where imposing these conditions on you would only make you perform worse so that may be part of why your experience is like that. However, it does seem to be a universal thing that the US is much more ruthless in their training.
My grandfather fought on the Eastern front in WW2 as a volunteer in the Waffen SS. After the war he migrated to the US. I once watched a documentary about how marines are trained with him and he was astonished as to how much the recruits were mentally abused. Then he explained how nothing like that happened to him or was even necessary because in the society he grew up in discipline and these values were already instilled in the youth.
Yeah, the SS especially were structured as a "warrior scholar" organization, something like the Teutonic Knights of old which they were descendants of.
Punishment exercises were entirely banned in all branches if the Reich's military, and training consisted, surprisingly, of a decent amount of playing games or events like rowing and whatnot.
Honestly sounds like a good time. Probably should've taken every page from the SS training manuals seeing as they were certainly elite troops.
I hope your grandfather is chilling out with God, and I hope they're both watching over your family.
@@Aqueox You're exactly right! Surprised someone else knows about this haha. He passed a good while ago, was always a devout Christian which was actually his reason for volunteering to fight against the Godless communists in the East. So I think he was definitely right with God.
@@Aqueox I wonder alot what Germany could of become if they never went to war for a second d time
@@thewildcardperson Well... They almost had to.
See, there's this evil thing called the communist ideal... Yeah. Germany wouldn't have stood up to that alone. It's why they got involved in the Spanish Civil War, kept France under their thumb, invited everyone they could into the Axis, including Britain and Poland before the war, and so on.
The cause was just, but history is written by the victor.
The marines usually take in the bottom of the barrel discipline is very much not on the list of American values.
Honestly, I always used to think it was just a way of getting people to follow orders instantly, but the factor of tuning out distractions would be really helpful too. Still, on the whole I'm pretty happy that if we go to war my bad lungs and terrible vision will probably get me out of this training.
Getting yelled by the Drill Instructor also makes your mentality better and it also builds up your character.
Alright, so my dad is a Marine. I am going to send him this video then ask if all of this is what he experienced. I will get back to you with an "Edit:" saying if it was accurate or not
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So you're put through hell while being shouted at and demeaned, fed poorly and deprived of sleep. If you make it through, you earn the privilege of being sent to war. Oh boy, where do I sign up?
Or if you look at it from a nationalistic or patriotic point of view, you're put through hell while being shouted and demeaned, fed poorly and deprived of sleep, so that when the time comes to defend your country from terrorists and foreign powers, your country, your people and your culture might have a chance to prevail
Well, this job is something that you really REALLY want to do. If you want to go to war then you need to be properly conditioned for it. The main difference between this and real war is probably how you most likely wont die
Lets go in and out, twenty minute adventure
VA benefits? But there's the PTSD.
@@zero123alpha6 medical costs > VA benefits. You go broke
I will start a training in the bulgarian army soon .
Thank you for the video.
I went through the Australian regular army training for 12 and half weeks at Kapooka NSW back in the 90's. Arrived by bus on a Wednesday early evening where everything was relatively calm asides from a 2am fire drill. The first 4 days was pretty much induction/admin stuff, the real shit began on the first Monday morning. A mate of mine held the rank of Captain, before I joined he told me not to take shouting and swearing personally which was easy for me because I like it when foul language and verbal abuse are turned into an art form. The fulltime army has the best teaching methods you could ever hope for that yoiu caertainly dont realise at the time.
“No one should be forced into it”
The Vietnam draft wants to know your location
The root of the Marines' snobbishness over the Army is based on the fact that they have NEVER been draftees, only volunteers. The Vietnam draft (and every other draft) was for the Army. This goes clear back to the founding era, when the Army was merely the conglomeration of state militias (read: everyday civilian men, all were required by law to own and maintain their weapon & equipment and drill regularly) organized in response to an invasion or insurrection, while the Navy and thus Marines were a standing, professional force all along due to the nature of having the capital built and operational before it's actually needed. It's hard to build ships and teach sailors and marines how to fight on them when the enemy fleet is already in your harbor.
Steinhauer There have definitely been drafted Marines, including in Vietnam. They weren’t all volunteers. But I’ve read that in WW2 most of the draftees in the USMC then volunteered for USMC while in the draft pool, rather than go for army or whatever.
Everybody should have at least two years of military duty!
@@michaelvandyke6715 and what? Be armed a fucking shitty gun? The Americans have the luxury of having stockpiles or relatively modern guns other countries with male conscription are small enough to make it work but everyone? How the fuck are most countries gonna arm their entire population fucking hell countries like the Philippines which have a median age of 25.6 would need to arm tens of millions people already past the age of 18 and then they need to arm 29 million more people still to young to be conscripted
@@michaelvandyke6715
Everybody calling for the enslavement of young men should be publicly hanged and displayed to deter others.
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In the UK we were run ragged but any shouting was generally encouragement unless you did something really stupid. We were more thinking soldiers, rather than automatons who ran at bullets. A lot is probably down to the starting educational level and quality of the recruit. The shouting and bawling bewilders me. Still the US Marines did storm places like Iwo Jima, Tarawa and Okinawa in WW2 and you can only salute and admire the bravery of those guys. It's a lot to live up to and they were and are effective soldiers.
really the biggest strength of the U.S. isn't the quality of the soldiers (which American soldiers don't have any special fighting spirit but 1. the ridiculous amount of funding and crazy military tech the engineers come up with but especially 2. the infrastructure. so many planes and boats to move around said troops and to fly bombs into enemy territory.
also with a population of 300 mil we can simply out number a good portion of enemies (with the exception of china, although china has its own problems, but thats another story)
So much respect for these soldiers. Imagine the courage and guts it takes to VOLUNTEER yourself into this. To all military personnel, Thank you!
Kindly speaking, Marines are not soldiers. The Army has soldiers. Marines are Marines. Thank you for your support of our military. Cheers!
"Never actually touched by The DIs" *me remembering watching someone getting kicked in the chest during bootcamp* 🤔
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Allegedly...
Got punched in the chest and fell back hitting the back of my head on my front site hanging on my rack. Had to get stitches. DI looked pretty nervous for the next week. But i just said i fell.
haha “never got touched” riiiiiight...
Me remembering getting kicked in the chest...
and punched
and ear boxed
and slapped
and my forehead used to mush a guys face lol
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Graduated in 2000
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Wasn't a Marine. I will tell you when I left Basic Training though and went to my technical school across the street that it was almost surreal how "large" the basic training area felt during basic. You see it from the outside and it was just a few buildings but while inside those building every little step outside your dorm had some form of risk associated with it. I can only imagine how a prisoner feels when they leave prison and see the facility from the outside.
Or a hot zone or whatever in a war
It's an amazing feeling, leaving prison and watching the fence that kept you in getting smaller and smaller in the rear view
Incredibly accurate. Marine Corps Bootcamp is in two places. Paris Island and San Diego. The Parris Island one is massive but the San Diego one sooooo small. I was at San Diego and because you were a little afraid to go anywhere it felt much bigger. I was shocked years later when I went back to the base for fun and saw just how small it really was.
Never been a soldier, never plan to be, but I can confirm that's the feeling you get when you're released from prison.
air force?
Wasnt a fan of your thumbnails but NCD said to give you a go and im glad i did.
I thoroughly enjoyed boot camp because I had been in several Jr boot camps in various cadet programs as a kid. So I viewed it as just part of the game/training/challenge to stay focused under pressure.
some people are made for pressure and even thrive better when pushed hard... others are not and break .
i was not. lets just say i grew up with one of those super religious families that controlled their children like it was their personal kingdom. spent long enough building my own self worth back up again, sure as hell not resetting that progress for the military which sees me (at best) like a piece on the board
Those DI's probably have severe hoarse throats from doing that so much
I think that they depart when they are mute
I did the PLC route when I went to Marine OCS in Quantico so I actually had to do two 6 week "bootcamps" in the summer of 2006 and 2007. Absolutely cherished my times in the Marines, served till 2011 with two deployments to Afghanistan. Pretty awesome to see a couple of my buddies now being Majors when we first started out as boot Lieutenants.
Hey another PLCer. Graduated Seniors last summer and did Juniors in 2019. Headed to TBS in the fall
@@NoL1c Awesome, good luck with everything. Before you know it, those 6 months will be done and then off to your MOS school.
Sorry sir, but Marines aren’t made at Quantico.
Marines are the toughest branch of the service; their basic training is longer than the Army, Navy, or Air Force. But they all serve America as a unit, just in different ways.
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“There’s no I in Marine”
LMAO!!!!!
Former DI here. 2nd Bn Echo Co, 2013-2016. This is pretty accurate, for what’s shown.
Edit: I know a few of the hats in the video. We did it better at Parris Island, though. Just saying.
Thanks Patrick, it’s good to hear that.
Btw, I’m standing straight, with my feet at 45 degree angle as I type this 😁
@@NotWhatYouThink as they should be👀🗣
My grandfather was a DI at Paris Island. It was always my understanding they yell at recruits to get them used to functioning normally while undergoing trauma. That and the simple fact that in battle communication is of utmost importance so you establish a baseline where everybody talks loudly.
Right! So we basically inflict a little trauma on our personnel to prepare them for the greater trauma of war and then we send them back into society with all this trauma so that they can traumatize others. War is so stupid.
I've shined those Brass doors that you're only supposed to enter once. Spit shined.scream shined. Anything shined. Even when I was leaving the island. I always kept those doors shined. Bless any body that walks through then to become Marines.
I'll be shipping to bootcamp november, im frickin excited.
Boot camp is honestly not that hard if youre trippin out about it, just do what youre told you get 3 meals a day and a bed. Receiving week is the worst of it.
What if you can't make it till the end of the different parkours? Because you can ignore people yelling, but if you don't validate the different tests, it willn't work. The real difficulty is here, yelling is just a background where you have to evolve, not a point where you can fail
@@zXHAcKeRzXz that's why its over weeks if you fail they make you do it over and over again.
@@eziokill9112 okay so you can permit yourself to be bad, as long as they give you time to become good enough
@@eziokill9112 or you can be held back in boot camp in order to give you more time.
And if you're not psychologically able to handle boot camp...
This video was fantastic. Thanks for sharing! I love your content. Looking forward to more!
-SIR! The trans platoon have taken 80% casualties!
-WE HAVENT DEPLOYED YET PRIVATE
-SHUT UP AND KISS ME SIR!
Almost hitting 40, and beeing a dad of three, bootcamp sounds lika a vacation and good way to get back in shape..
2:31 I had that DI in my barracks during my training lol, he came from Lejeune. He was always talking how our final weeks wasn't as bad as camp Lejeune's till he had to make that 20 mile hike up the mountain. Dude was on all fours crawling up that mountain in the rain with full gear. That satisfaction was amazing.
Been there - I still remember my arrival at MCRD Parris Island SC in September 1967 - I remember it every time I go through airport security and see those yellow footprints on the deck of the scanning machine. But the pride on the day of graduation almost makes up for the pain. "Semper Fi" to all of my brother and sister Marines!
I grew up in an Irish family. Yelling at me is literally the quickest way to make me bust out laughing.
To all that went through this, I salute you.
The brotherhood and sense of being part of something larger than yourself is truly a wonderful thing. God forbid you have to see real combat, but even if and when you do you know your brothers are there with you.
After being at MCRDSD for 6 months in 2013 (I got sick) I remember realizing at graduation week that I never had physical contact with a DI. It was surprising, I think most of us were expecting to get the shit kicked out of us but it turns out they were able to transform us from shitty high school students without ever needing to even touch us.
After hearing about what goes on at PI compared to SD, it seems like the commands at SD are a lot more involved than the ones at PI. We saw at least one officer almost everyday who would pull random recruits to probe and see if the DIs were doing anything they shouldn’t be.
Years later I put in a DI package and they sent back orders to Recruiting school. Good times.
yeah can confirm, I went though PI in 2010 and one of my drill instructors got in trouble for beating the living shit out of a recruit lol
@@MJ-it8ru wtf could someone possibly do, to make a DI beat the shit out of them.
@@honkhonk8009 that DI had issues, he was new and just before our platoon picked up his best friend killed himself
I went though in 2005. Other than maybe being shown how to do a movement for drill or MCMAP, they never touched us.
@@huasohvac I had friends in the same company but different platoon as me that had the same experience as you, its not like its guaranteed to happen but it I saw it all the time lol.
It was such a good video
Hi, i’m in the ARMY, the yelling helps a lot to be focused on things, specially on simple stuff.
Some European militaries are among the best-trained in the world (British, German, French), and there is no crazy yelling there. It is a strange American tradition (especially in the Marine corps). It’s very annoying and there’s no way the drill instructors can be mentally healthy, playing such a role for years.
It's not a zero sum game, different branches have different methods, different countries etc etc
These marines are the ones who runs straight thru the meat grinder, and it takes a different level of mentality to be in that situation. If those you mention were the best trained in the world, the marines are the best of the best.
@@forsaturn4629 If what you're saying about their mindset is true then I seriously doubt their collective mental capacity is high enough to be much more than meat for a grinder, the grinder being a machine gun crewed by far superior soldiers, probably child conscripts from South Sudan.
Trust Americans to do something over the top and counterproductive.
@@forsaturn4629 Ah, good old American exceptionalism
Bro - Not what you think: you just keep pumping out short and informative videos, always info I didn't already know. Well done sir. Please keep it up.
I wrestled for 4 years and our coach was a VPSO who wanted to become a state trooper and used his regiment to make a adapted version for us. Most of this is something you can't understand if you didn't go in yourself wanting the fight and if you go in getting far enough to see the true fight but don't finish it that messed with your head more then all the screaming does because it feels so much worse proving to yourself you can't fight then being told you won't make it
Graduated from Charlie Company yesterday. The mental part was definitely a LOT more challenging then the physical.
Congrats!
Don't wear your MCMAP belt in public and don't wear a backpack unless you actually have to.
honestly, i think this guy is the most accurate bootcamp video ive seen. all the big ones like Vice or others really just dont do a good job. this is just how i remembered it
This is typically American: "psychological retraining" ... If it works in the Marine Corps in this way, good for you but there are other ways, even very tough, to train soldiers than yelling at them like this. I have been an officer in another army where there are also very famous units, for 30 years, and I can tell you that this "method" would not work at all. It depends on the mentality and the culture. The Marines want robots, we want adherence to the cause and capacity for initiative. This doesn't prevent the recruits to obey or to face very hard training but they must feel respected as human beings anyway. If they fail they are fired and that's it. It's a different concept. In the Marines boot camp it's ... special, to say the least and the respect for the recruits doesn't appear very obvious...
Let me be clear: I'm not saying that the Marines basic training is bad but it's probably just consistent with American mindset. Eventually, the Marines are good indeed but not better than other good military units.
What is true for some people is not systematically good for others. Just my opinion ...
I entirely agree with the last sentence of your comment.
@@alwynwatson6119 PTSD is another story, it's usually due to the horrors soldiers have to face at war and happens "after" the war, in general, to make it short. "P" is "Post"=after and moreover it doesn't affect everyone. It has little to do with training. You can train soldiers to be tough , resilient and technically good, but you cannot train anybody for hell ...
Btw, PTSD is a trauma, not a "mental illness".
Well pat, you need to understand one thing: Officer training is not the same as enlisted. OCS (Officer Candidate School) for the USMC is less screaming, more physical. They still yell, yes, but its way less robotic stuff. Marines are trained to be robotic in the first stages of their career, and once they hit the fleet (their unit) they are trained to become leaders, take initiative, and do what needs to be done for Marines in their care. The fact you did not say which military you're in speaks volumes. I guarantee the average Marine Rifleman is leaps ahead of one of yours, and that's not boastful. Marines are well respected (or feared, depending on who you are) around the world, and not just American Marines. British Royal Marines, South Korean ROK Marines. They're specialized troops for a reason. Yelling works, even if it is "American". Softer countries that rely on American money to fund their military might not yell as much, but the ones who hold their own are certainly similar in a training aspect.
@@potatogenerator6363 Well, I understand your point and I respect it but I still think that it's a matter of culture. That’s why, in my view, what is good in the Anglo-Saxon world (and their Asian imitators like South Korea) might not necessarily be good or efficient elsewhere.
I was in the French army and I know how people are trained, not only in the officers’ school, and nobody is yelling in this way, not even in the toughest units of the Foreign Legion (the paratroopers). I don’t say it’s “soft” and obviously the instructors are yelling as well but they are never dragging people down which would be completely counter-productive regarding our mindset.
We don't have "Marines" comparable to the USMC: the name exists, "troupes de Marine" referring to the infantry boarded on Navy ships in olden days but nowadays they are not very different from the other regular infantry regiments. On the other hand we have also "elite" troops like the Foreign Legion, the Airborne division, the Mountain troops or the Army Aviation among othersm not to mention Special Forces and (no boastful either) no way inferior to US or British Marines despite no initial brain washing.
Let me be clear again: I was not questioning the efficiency of the US Marines. If this way of training is good for them, it’s fine for me. I was just wondering why they have chosen this method since it’s not “universal”, so to speak and that’s it.
@@patolt1628 All the bs you're trying to tell yourself about the USMC not being better than your average units is hilarious and cringe worthy at the same time. As for your criticism of the American mindset, your logic can be picked apart with very simple basic facts about our societies. If you wanna see societies that have a flawed mindset look no further than.. any country in Europe, and any country in the world other than the US. The US is a warrior nation that was born out of war, its in the culture, blood, mindset, as it should be. Thats exactly why they value freedom so much and individual rights are paramount. The only real way to measure how free a country is, is to take a look at whether they have 3 basic rights that make a society truly free. 1 - Right to free speech, 2 - Right to self preservation, 3 - Right to own the tools used to ensure self preservation.
There is only ONE country in the entire world that has all 3 of these rights at the same time, and that is the US. Sure some countries have 1 or maybe 2 of these at the same time, but not all 3. For example in Europe we don't even have free speech, you'd like to think your country does, but when free speech is truly tested not a single country in Europe has it.
So while in Europe we have hordes of people that keep voting for the same utopian promises that come from an ideology that has murdered 100 million people in the past century, and these hordes of people outnumber those of us who truly value freedom, in the US they don't have this problem as the people who truly value freedom have outnumbered the indoctrinated hordes for centuries.
I'd much rather have this type of yelling during basic training and live in a country that has a mindset like Americans do, than to have less yelling because "muh humane treatment" and live in a country where most people have no spine.
The contrast of this compared to my own life is insane. I could never do shit like this myself, hell, I cry if anyone raises their voice at me. It's extremely impressive and really gives me some perspective.
Completely with you here
don't let it drag you down though. we all have our own problems and we all have own goals and struggles. plus the marines is really only for the hardest of the hard or absolute crazy people and nothing inbetween, so just keep that in mind.
really i would never suggest anyone to go into the military willingly due to the possible mental issues.
Youre a bit of a wimp , arent you?
I’d laugh
I liked and subscribed! SIR!
You really havent lived without experiencing adults threatening to beat the shit out of you or kill you. This coming from people who were no doubt capable of, but seemed just a very slight push to motivate them to do it. These guys will go the whole 3 months without breaking character, its wildly impressive and blurs that line of this is a show or act. They cant be that intense about everything. But they are, and the way it affects recruits for a good amount of time in boot camp is strange. Adjusted and capable people will say and do some dumb dumb things. Theres not a funnier place that your not allowed to laugh at on the planet 😂😂😂
Idk about you buy my DIs were not acting or putting on a show at all lol those guys were straight up killers
but yeah a lot of it was hilarious
@@MJ-it8ru One of the Drill instructors in this video is actually a friend of mine, we deployed three times together. This just reminds me of DI training where they had to practice so they go yell at a tree. He is one of the nicest guys I know.
"I need to follow this man or I get yelled at for 5 more seconds, and if a behave ill only get yelled at for 64 hours instead of 64.1 hours"
I imagine a new recruit being yelled at, then suddenly remembers 21st century humor videos and suddenly giggled for no reason
Yelling does not just get recruits accustomed to stress. It also breaks down any internal resistance they have to orders. Mindless obedience becomes their life. That's why soldiers are so adept at carrying out heinous acts: "I was just following orders."
To be fair, people already were ok with inflicting pain on others if an authority figure told them to in those experiments in the Milgram Experiments
That's not why soldiers do fucked up shit.
They do it because they don't care whether they live or die, don't care whether others live or die, and have no shortage of hatred for the people they're killing.
Civilian casualties as a business arrangement isn't the source of atrocities, it's the unfortunate reality of war. It's the lack of discipline, not the presence of it, that leads to criminal behavior.
Fool.
Proudest I have ever been in my life of anything or anyone...including myself, my daughter, my brother, etc. was to watch my step-son graduate "Globe and Anchor" at MCRD San Diego after knowing vaguely as sideline observer in another place, state, and situation...of everything he had been through and accomplished! Semper Fi. Marines...put simply...are the best!
Well its true that Marines, SAS and GROM all are op and have their own ways of training but allow me to tell about the training of a gc(gentleman cadet) of NDA. There is this camp called ROVERS, in 4th term of NDA.(ALL GCS ARE AGE GRP OF 18-20)During this time the GCs are no allowed to sleep for around 6 to 7 days. Here is an experience from quora if you would like you can read:- "Camp Rovers : Boys to Men
Camp "Rovers" took place in the 4th term of NDA. This camp has the unique distinction of being classified as one of the toughest camps in the world for the age group.
It was a camp where the "thin" kids gloves used during camp Greenhorn were totally discarded and the only aim of this camp was to show us the limits of endurance of our body and mind. It was held on the hills surrounding the Khadakvasla lake. These hills were mostly barren and dry with a splattering of thorny bushes. This terrain, coupled with the heat of the month of May, made for a heady cocktail.
No wonder that "ROVERS" was lovingly called "Ragda Over the Vast & Endless Ranges of Sahyadri"...... How apt.
Map reading woes
By this term we had matured to the ways of the Academy and our physical conditioning was superb...... But....... for most of us the map still appeared as a document generated by the "Enigma" coding machine of Hitler's army. Our map reading practice was carried out on the hills around the NDA campus, the layout of which we as it is knew by heart and by lungs (x-country practice zindabad).
A few of us, as usual, where somewhat aligned towards reading maps and could navigate with a little decency. These map reading stalwarts, some of whom were involved in the navigation debacle of "camp Greenhorn", were designated as map readers for "Rovers". Their past was neither forgotten nor forgiven, the fear of God was instilled in them by rest of the course mates using threats to life and limb.
The camp started as usual with full Josh and exuberance. We were transported to the camp site on buses and were immediately put on task setting up the camp. Some training was given to refresh our survival and navigation skills. The first couple of marches went off well.
The third day was a route march of almost 25 kms . We were transported to the start point on vehicles. At the start point we were given the coordinates of the first check point (CP). The map readers went into a huddle and decided on a direction to follow. They led and we followed with unquestionable trust. we maintained a steady pace and reached the first two CPs in good time.
At the second CP we were given the coordinates for CP 3 and as was customary the map readers spread their maps and started plotting, while the rest of us filled our water bottles and rested our legs. As usual there was some disagreement amongst the navigators regarding the next point. This time Bihari babu lost out to Khalsa Randy. He called out to us to get moving and we followed his lead.
We walked for some distance and in front of us loomed a formidable rocky hill, Randy started climbing. We stopped him and asked him to confirm again before starting the climb. We opened our maps and he pointed to a magenta line and said "yar yeh ‘skyline’ marked hai aur yeh dekho CP 3 yahan skyline ke upar marked hai. We will have to climb this hill", this deduction was supported by the rest of the navigators. Our lost looks helped them quell our doubts quickly.......... and we marched on.
After a great deal of effort we reached the top of the hill and faced another slope ahead. We kept climbing and climbing and climbing till we reached the actual top of the mountain (it was no longer a hill).
The time was 1230h and we had been climbing for almost an hour and a half. From where we stood we could see the barren, rocky mountain top stretching as far as eye could see.
Randy was all excited as he pointed out that this was the skyline marked on the map and we just had to follow that to reach the CP, and thus we continued. The afternoon sun was beating down on us mercilessly and our water supply had dwindled to critical levels. We kept following Randy's skyline for the next 2 hours, with no sign of the next CP. Our water had finished a long time ago and the thirst was getting to all of us.
We caught hold of the navigation party and tried to negotiate a solution with them. We had to take some decision as we knew we could not survive long on top of this mountain without water. We spread out to search for some clue and saw a village way down in the valley, some distance away from the foothill. We reached a consensus that we had to quit our quest for CP 3 and had to climb down to survive. Having decided on the best course of action we started our descent.
The descent was way more difficult than the ascent. It was a sheer slope with loose rocks, I felt like Sylvester Stallone in the movie "Cliff Hanger". Each step would send rocks flying over the ones below. Half way down we entered a large bushy patch with thorny branches. We were getting a complimentary herbal scrub over and over again, scratching our exposed skin.
It was 3.00 pm and we had been moving without a drop of water for the last 2 hours in this heat and had been on the go for almost 8 hours. The effects of dehydration were setting in and tempers were running high. Someone at the end of the line shouted "यार अगर मैं map reader party तक पहुंच गया तो यह लोग नही बचेंगे"...... but the poor chap could not muster enough energy to reach them, so the map readers were safe for the moment.
We finally reached the bottom of the hill and trudged towards the village. On the outskirts we came across a shallow well, the water in the well was covered with algae and had a bunch of frogs frolicking in them, just like in the fairy tale of the princess and the frog. I removed my bottle cover, cleared the surface and filled it with water. A voice from behind said "bhai, yeh pani ganda hai" .…... Ganda..... Itni der se pani ko taras raha tha, aur ab milte hi attitude..... I replied "dekh frogs saare zinda hain, unko kuch nahi hua toh humko bhi nahi hoyega..... Just bloody drink it", luckily sense prevailed and we had some water (no one kissed a frog because had the frog turned into a princess then uske liye pani kahan se laate)
Rejuvenated after the drink we continued in search of CP 3. A few miles out of the village the map readers started shouting in excitement... "Oye Cp 3 mil gaya, come fast". We all ran as fast as we could and reported to the officer there, who gave us a surprised look and informed us that this was not CP 3 but CP 5..... We had missed two CPs. It was getting very late and there was a night march also planned later, so we were told to proceed directly to the finish point.
The map readers remained incognito for the rest of the day. No one knew where we had gone wrong. Our squadron instructor got all of us together and burst a few blood vessels trying to get to the root of the problem. It was enlightenment for him when he caught our mistake. It seems that what the map readers had called the skyline was actually the district boundary, he explained to us that skyline can never be marked on the map.
Had our water not finished we would have measured the mountain tops of the complete Sahyadri range, all thanks to our mahan navigators.
The rest of the camp went of normally without any incident and we all returned wiser, with a resolve to take more interest in the map reading classes."
And honestly please dont think this comment as a comparison. All military forces around the world have their own ways of operating. It was told in video that the probationers have never had experience of team work and other stuff, but when you join NDA you are expected to have these qualities at least. Thank you Jai Hind.
Damn I miss this. Only the ones that did it, understand why you’d miss it.
There are tricks to human memory where 1) people remember time poorly. 3 weeks or 3 months of pain are remembered similarly; 2) people give positive ratings to memories as long as the end of the experience has an uptick in positivity. So the experience is remembered in a positive manner because no matter how long it went on, the end was positive. If the end of training/indoctrination were terrible or bad then the entire experience would be remembered poorly. If the end has a nice ceremony and you're given some kind of positive experience then suddenly the experience is a positive one.
There are more tricks to all this like defining the length of the experience, optimizing groups, and quantification of results but the core principals are pretty simple. You could make your own special branch if you wanted to by just following a few principals of indoctrination.
That feeling of missing it but at the same time you don’t wanna experience it ever again.
@@haijin7484 exactly.
Yep
@@c.c.5910 That's a pretty shallow explanation of his longing. The ceremony is not the positive ending he misses, it's the genuine personal development and clear sense of purpose he's longing. Not having any questions about which way to go, what to do, or how to act, because the correct answer is laid clearly in front of him for a time. The fact is that pain and hardship are the most potent of life's teachers, so as long as the person chose to learn the lesson rather than reject it, they're going to appreciate having been through the experience. That's not a "trick of memory", as if it's some software bug, it's a psychological design feature meant to encourage individual improvement and achievement.
I generally practice a policy of deferring to expertise in all areas in life. Everyone should. However, i will admit that I still think the way we do boot camp is probably going to always traumatize some minority of recruits. I really hope their screening process has solid and reliable psychological screening as part of it.
It’s weird in this and almost every other video I’ve seen about drill instructors and drill sergeants they always have these horse broken voices but when I went through Boot Camp they had very strong healthy voices. I have a theory that it’s because the Drills that they show in these documentaries and such are normally the higher enlisted that don’t normally do the screaming so they get horse really quick or it’s nerves.
Back in the 80’s (I don’t know about nowadays) UK basic training must have been harder because our DI’s most definitely DID lay hands on us. One DI took it too far and got sent to the glasshouse while another Warrent Officer broke a recruit’s elbow with his pace stick (think a maths compass with two spikes instead of a spike and a pencil… then scale them up so they come up to waist height).
We got hit with any number of things. Swagger sticks, lengths of rope, items of clothings etc, etc… we got told that the pain is all in our mind and if we are strong enough we can overcome it.
I think a lot of our DI’s were suffering from PTSD from the Falklands war. One corporal used to be a staff sergeant and was busted down in rank because he failed to follow an officer’s order and then punched the officer in the nose when said officer started yelling in the staff sergeant’s face.
It turned out the officer wanted to take the squad across an open field where the staff sergeant wanted to follow the hedgerows. Knocking the officer out actually saved lives because they later found out on the far side of the open field was an Argentine machine gun nest hidden in a drainage ditch. So the staff sergeant only lost a couple of ranks instead of getting booted out of the army. I don’t know what happened to the Lieutenant but I guess he got shouted at for risking soldiers lives recklessly.
My point is… they used unstable DI’s to train us. One told a recruit to stand there and not move while he practiced martial arts on him. That recruit was put on light duties for over 2 months while the DI was sent to the glasshouse (like previously said).
Yeah, basic wasn’t fun back then.
The jrotc instructor I had was always pushing us to be our best and the day of graduation he screamed out that we'd always be his sons and daughters so everyone loved him like a dad more than a teacher.
8:25 - 8:34 I never knew I was being trained as a marine since childhood, good to know it was all worth it in the end to be twice the marine you could ever be
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I'd like to see a comparison of how many different branches or many different nations train.
In out basic training we called it "breaking and rebuilding"
But in many modern Forces this is not done anymore.
Cult tactics
Something that's pretty much never mentioned in these videos is that while Marine Corps boot camp is supposed to be only 13 weeks long, it can actually take longer, sometimes a lot longer. Starting from Black Friday on you can be dropped from your platoon and reassigned to another (further behind your current platoon) for any number of reasons. It can be anything from being overweight and not losing the weight quick enough, not meeting the minimum physical fitness requirements, getting injured, failing rifle qual, and so on. Any of these things (and more) can set you back and you won't be graduating on time or with the people you entered boot camp with.
For me, graduating on time and not having to spend one day beyond the 13 weekds was my big motivation for not getting dropped. I was absolutely determined to graduate on time with my original platoon, and I did. No injuries, no sickness, no fails.
Chad right here fr
I rolled my ankle so bad that I had black lines running up my leg. They told me to go to medical, but I was afraid of being dropped. I hid behind a dumpster for a couple hours, then went back and told the DI's that I was fine. I think they knew I lied, but they understood why. That last month was miserable. Doing the Crucible on a swollen ankle was pretty treacherous.
The first time I ran a range, yelled at the top of my lungs over gun fire to communicate, and clearly heard a response, it sorta clicked to me that it all made sense
When not what you think makes a not what you think video but it is exactly what I think…
While I never received US Marine training, I did experience Australian Army Basic Training. It's all a bit of a shock at first, but you realize that these people are trying to save your life if you were ever on the battlefield.