Russia first proposed the SU-30MKI to China, but China was not interested, so Russia recommended it to India. For so many years, the SU-30MKI has been trying to improve the avionics, radar level, but has not been smooth. In addition to its appearance, the J-16's avionics, radar, and data link are all standard for fifth-generation aircraft. These are two eras of fighter aircraft, there is no comparison.
@@AbhaySharma-xu6jn Indeed! What you said was very correct before the WS-10C/WS-19/WS-13/WS-15 aviation engines were mature. But now China has solved the problems of materials and lifespan for the engine! The lifespan testing of the WS-15 prototype has exceeded 50000 hours and is still ongoing. The relevant information has been published on the official website of Beihang University. This is the latest engine that can compete with the American F119!
Yes according our bakchodi indian random defencers. russian fighters are junk who are now wipping the whole western force and america. Lol stop this type of bakchdi bro😂😂
This comparison should be done once again now with new upgrades happening on both the sides. Major points: -Super Sukhoi upgrade SU30 MKI -Astra MK2 Integration SU30 MK -Missed to mention Canards in CRC SU30 MKI -New WS engines J16
Iaf nye fighter jet nhi le sakti or purane su30 upgrade b nhi kr rhi aisa lagta h iaf or sarkar hamari security ki lge China k agents jyada lagne lge h muhhe
Vintage airforce IAF na new upgrade time pe hota hai na inse new aircraft procurement hota hai alag seen hai inhone SBI bank ke management ko bhi piche kar dia h
It's sad to see that we lag behind china in almost every area. Reason is we have always been competing with Pak & china has always been competing with US. That is the difference.
I am a Chinese very happy to watch this video with you, our country also bought a lot of Russian Su 30 MKK fighters, It used to be our most powerful plane, until we had the J-16, Our domestic pilots have commented that the Su 30 MKK and J-16 are not the same generation aircraft, The two look similar but electronic equipment radar weapons and so on are very different, but you MKI also have many upgrades that we do not know, China now mainly produces the J-16 and J-20, both of which are currently in service with more than 300 aircraft Finally hope that world peace away from war🎉
This is the result of decades long Chinese appeasement and Pakistan centric defence planning. Things are changing now, but we are decades behind and will take long time to level up.
Fighter jet ka comparison krna se koi fyda nhee on paper acha lagta ha bus, but dog fight mein all depends upon pilots experience and presence of mind seconds ka khel ha, mig 21 se f16 udana khud americans ka hosh udd gaye😅 tha, f35 ko kyee bar take down kiya 4 generation jets na in training, yes mission ho koi jo bina enemy ko alarm kiya krna ha uska liya yeh diffrenciation dekha ja sakta ha
Bhai su 30 mki is upgrading with some ordinary capabilities and I am working in drdo so I know what capabilities su have .... But those information are not publically available...and I don't want to share those secret info so my indian brothers don't afraid... Su 30 is updated with some unique features... China can be easily knocked down
Bhai kyun bewkoof banate rehte ho yaar??? Pehle Russia tumko bewkoof bana ke chala gaya, ab tum public ko bewkoof bana rahe ho 😂. Kisi na kisi din, ye logon pata chal hi jayega, ki Sukhoi SU-30MKI is biggest failure.
@@flightengineer1990 tumolog wahi mustande ho jo drdo agar kahe toh manoge nahi. Matlab hotel ki delivery jaise tej chahiye kya. Matlab kuch bhi fighter jet ka upgradation chal raha hai ya chai banaya ja raha hai be. Hum indian ki yahi ek kahrab chis hai time line ka liye wait nahi kar sakta sab time line ka pahle chahiye.😂😂 Burbak
We have compared both the aircraft with available details only. There should be no doubt that J-16 is better as it is a modern aircraft and got benefitted from the J-20s development. In this comparison video we tried to point out, where we can improve the Su-30MKI which can help us match J-16.
@@DefenceMatrix u have exact or atleast authentic information of Su-30 mki , but u , yourself admitted that , information on j-16 is not fully available or not up-to-date, now how can we compare two fighters if we donot have authentic information of one of the two , moreover we all know Chinese claims and realities ,
@@DefenceMatrix all these videos create negativity or creates inferiority complex in the minds of are fellow Indians , and this is want our adverseries want , u know , IW
@@madhavindian1609 Our fellow Indians should accept the reality, J-16 is a better aircraft, personally I don't believe in creating a rainbow world where everything Indian weapon is better than any other weapons our rival have. We are not Pakistan that we will claim JF-17 is world's best aircraft. We accept fact. J-16 is better than current Su 30MKI and it's a fact. Even if we don't like it.
@@DefenceMatrix i m not saying j- 16 is a bad aircraft, i m saying we donot have authenticated information on Chinese weapons and according to there past history, there claims cannot be trusted, moreover , j-16 has never participated in war where as , su 30 in its different versions have faced real battles and proved its worth , e.g balakot strikes , where su- 30 dodged American missiles used by porkis ,
Modernization is taking place and a lot of equipment is already modernized it takes time for a force as big as ours to fully modernize we are taking around 500 billion usd if memory serves (said by some important officer rank i forgot who tho)
@@WiggleDraggy I agree but if earlier government have fulfilled and completed all the deals of Indian armed forces in their respective time then probably upto now whole modernation plan was completed..... A conflit with China gives a necessary wake up call to Indian Government
@@ravindersinghpanwar3929 the previous govt wanted India to be a vassal state of China, so obviously they didn't spend money on defence modernisation. In 2024 the same scenario will repeat if congress comes in power, all defence projects will be scrapped.
Bhaiya please can you make one video on AL-31FU variant Saturn's Russian fighter jet engine technology especially your suggestions for Super Sukhoi su-30 mki programme Success with this engine facilitate because as per information it has got overall thrust power of 146 kns in it we can change without any modification
6:29 BC Towed decoy ka acahr daloge jab Maws to hai hi nahi to pata kese cahlega Picche missile ari hai ki nahi?😢💔 20sal pehle duniya ka best fighter ko aaj Hamne Kuda banadiya hai...(wait for super sukhoi wait for Super...) Kab se sunte are hai wait hi to karre hai..udher China knock-off version bhi 300+ bana chuka hai.
We can make a composite material su30mki as we have donw with tejas. And make electronic warfare system testbed like j16. So we will have tejas mk2 , tedbf, amca and su30 mk1 composite for our 4.5 gen and 5th gen fighters.
Certainly J16 is superior to Sukhoi 30 MKI. However, lot depends on the skill levels of the combat pilots. There have been instances during WW2 and also during 1971 India Pakistan war when fighters(allied forces in WW2 and Indian forces in 1971) perceived to be inferior shot down superior fighters(German in WW2 and Pakistan in 1971). Now the question is whose combat pilots ave better skills? India or China ?
One more thing chinese have J-10, J-11, J-15, j-16, And J-20 with very large numbers which we dont have so they have quanity also where we lag a lot. 20/05/2023 Saturday 01:45PM
Defense Matrix, you keep saying Su30mki fired R-77-1. While it can, IAF DOES NOT HAVE R-77-1’s in its inventory. India only operates RVV-AE which is the export variant of the R-77. IAF does NOT have R-77-1’s. I have researched quite a lot and have found no evidence of IAF possessing any R-77-1’s. Please fix that point.
Hello, well IAF has R-77-1, and I have the proof but can’t share it. So you can believe the source which is “Trust Me bro” here. But if you choose otherwise then also it’s fine.
@@DefenceMatrix can you share what you googled to find that proof? I’ve looked everywhere on the internet. All I see are RVV-AE orders. RVV-SD would be what IAF would have ordered if we operated the R-77-1’s. And no “trust me bro” isn’t a real source. No article, no official, nothing shows that IAF has R77-1’s.
@@aliarham7158 i don’t trust him. He’s made a lot of false claims in the past. Simple google searches have proved him wrong. I strongly suggest you try googling this yourself. Don’t accept anything you hear from these RUclipsrs just because they have a channel.
@@boejiden7093 personally, I have seen a Su 30 Flying with one and it is confirmed it was the SD. The picture is there but can't be shared. Second, there was this news after the 27Feb incident. Hope you did your research, right. www.google.com/amp/s/sputnikglobe.com/amp/20190620/india-begins-user-trials-of-russian-air-to-air-missiles-destroys-uk-made-drone-in-drill-1075979034.html
Dont worry pple. Sooner or later.. we're gonna upgrade our Sukhois.. with - GaN based AESA radar with 1300+ T/R modules -Full Glass cockpit with 2 touchscreen MFDs - New RWRS and IRSTs. - Anyway we're replacing most of the Parts of the Al41Fp engines with indian parts to make it more reliable and to increase its thrust a little bit - And lastly the Best weapon package on the planet. Astra MK3 and Python 5.
What will happen if war broke out now ... We are lagging behind by far...And we don't know when these upgrades will take place or if at all will take place...
@@rakishansh ok so lets mention those too. Thrust vectoring control isn’t just for dogfights. It’s used for evading BVR missiles too. They provide the pilot with more control of the plane. Close range missiles are more for interceptions when an enemy fighter enters our air space and need to be escorted away. Example: 1999 Atlantique incident. IAF mig-21 fired R-60 close range missile at PAF intelligence aircraft. Theres even a video of the shootdown on youtube.
In the Within Visual range, I don't think the comparison is proper because MICA IR is not a dedicated close combat missile, it is a medium range Imaging Infrared missile, similar to Russian R-27T missiles but with better sensor and performance. In WVR, which is normally 20km or lower, it is as effective as any modern IR missiles may be slightly better than Chinese PL-10. But just because it has higher range doesn't make it better because on that range, J-16 can actually use their Active radar guided missiles like PL-12 and PL-15 which will always offer better performance on longer than 30km targetting range, as >30km normally falls under BVR, not WVR. You need to consider how it performs in short ranges against the enemey's short range missile which in this case, almost similar, based on the specification in the video.
I guess the best WVR is Python 5 it's a scary missile in close range I watched the video about this missile they say even the missile misses the enemy in first attempt the missile will come back to hit the target again 🤷🏽♂️
Because MICA-IR is infrared homing missile , it can be launched passively (not using radar) and thus no RWR notification would be given to the enemy aircraft , so its entirely dependent on the tactical situation of the engagement and the pilot's skills
@@TheUnsungHeroes I am not countering the advantage of passive tracking missiles. What I am saying is that just because one has higher range does not make it a berrer Close Combat Missile.
Su 30 is almost 20yrs old is and ageing. Mk2 will take at least 12-15 years. Amca is still 2-3 decades away. 3-4 Squardons of F35 would be the best bet for tilting the balance in favour.
India needs to have a cyber security regiment. It should shield sensitive institutions from cyber attacks as well as carry out counter attacks on the enemy.
Anime ka choda when he realises they can't deploy all of them at same place against one country. They would need to deploy 80% of their air assets in Taiwan strait. That too is very less considering usa naval Air arm
@@sigmachadtrillioniare6372 China has Rocket force. It can crush Taiwan and USA with just 20% of their airforce. Missiles will rain down over entire sector in South China sea.
Haa IAF toh soyi hui ha par humare defence channel vale hi jaag re ha... Yrr jaha teri soch khatam hoti ha na uske aage se IAF ki planning shuru hoti ha😂😂... Remember mig31😂😂
There is no doubt that the new generation active phased array radar and weapons equipped by the J-16 are much better than the SU 30 MKI. The SU30MKI is better than the previous SU 27MKK and SU30MKK of the Chinese Air Force, but it is now old. The latest official pictures It shows that the J-16 can carry the ultra-long-range PL17. Previously, they could carry the PL15 and PL10. The PL15 has a range of more than 200 kilometers, and the PL17 has a range of more than 300 kilometers. The PL10 is a high-mobility short-range combat missile.
Chinese j 16 has Aesa radar but su 30 mk1 using old pesa radar 😂😂
Russia first proposed the SU-30MKI to China, but China was not interested, so Russia recommended it to India. For so many years, the SU-30MKI has been trying to improve the avionics, radar level, but has not been smooth. In addition to its appearance, the J-16's avionics, radar, and data link are all standard for fifth-generation aircraft. These are two eras of fighter aircraft, there is no comparison.
俄罗斯搞结构设计还是很牛的，他们的飞机在气动设计还是数一数二的，我们很多时候都是把他们的SU27当做一个平台在使用。
Are you sure?
@@preetpalsinghdhindsa3507 indeed, only one fighter is better than j-16 in this world, F-15EX.
@@dingyipu9372j16 is not a 5th generation fighter
We really appreciate the unbiased comparison.
Hona bhi yahi chahiye
Yes... ! Knowing your limitations is the first step for improvment
Bro agar esi tara reality ko like karogay na... to ya to ab be atheist ho ya buhot jald Hinduism chornay walay ho😂😂😂
Oh, still some rational Indians. I used to thought India only has cheap nationalist who can only say copy junk
Basically we are nowhere near china in any segment. they are the real superpowers. we are just powerful. there is a difference.
sorry mate, you are not even powerful yet.
Bro Tejas mk2 vs Rafal comparisons plz
Actually j16 is likely to be considered superior to su 35 by some experts.
Because it is.
It is rumored that China is actually quite successful in creating more superior engines than Western and Russian counter parts.
To be honest it is a better platform
Su 35 se bhetar toh nahi hoga
@@ajaykumarsingh702 you can't even compare Chinese engines with western engines lol...sasta nasha na kiya jyaye
@@AbhaySharma-xu6jn Indeed! What you said was very correct before the WS-10C/WS-19/WS-13/WS-15 aviation engines were mature. But now China has solved the problems of materials and lifespan for the engine! The lifespan testing of the WS-15 prototype has exceeded 50000 hours and is still ongoing. The relevant information has been published on the official website of Beihang University. This is the latest engine that can compete with the American F119!
There is no comparison between China and India because honestly China is superpower and India is power.
Seriously we need to upgrade our SU-30 MKI on urgent basis 😢
In case of india, "urgent basis" means Atleast 15 more years
Noooo Russian junk are best
😂😂😂 urgent
Yes according our bakchodi indian random defencers. russian fighters are junk who are now wipping the whole western force and america. Lol stop this type of bakchdi bro😂😂
@ashaykholkar2095 Sorry bro, I mean to day immediat 😆
Meanwhile HAL: 🥱🤔🥱😴😴😴😴
Not even comparable😂
You did not mention Canards. And please make a comparison of J 16 with Su-30 MKI after Super Sukhoi upgrades.
Bhai good or hatke video tha thank you 👍
China ne Democracy ko laat marke Totalitarian rule accept Kia🔥,ye uska result hai, Internal Disturbance na hone ki waja se devolpment hua China main,
Unknown aesa radar 😂😂
another fact is they started making that jet since 2012 and have more than 200 in numbers
NOT 200 . IS 300
Wow... That's a... Beautiful thumbnail...
Heh.. they look like two brothers fighting each other...
It clearly shows that J-16 is much much more better than SU-30MKI
This comparison should be done once again now with new upgrades happening on both the sides.
Major points:
-Super Sukhoi upgrade SU30 MKI
-Astra MK2 Integration SU30 MK
-Missed to mention Canards in CRC SU30 MKI
-New WS engines J16
Glad these videos are back🎉🎉
Yes finally we also want that explanations of old fighter jets
Iaf nye fighter jet nhi le sakti or purane su30 upgrade b nhi kr rhi aisa lagta h iaf or sarkar hamari security ki lge China k agents jyada lagne lge h muhhe
@@shyam419true lol aksai chin ki tarah poora ladakh or Arunachal jo gift mein dena hai 😂
Now in sukhoi we are using aesa Rador super-sukhoi upgrade
Su-30 MKI Super Suokhoi will be superior then Su-35 & J-16 performance wise
A 4.5++ Upgrade soon...
Sir plss j16 vs su 30mki air to surface video
Jo sach h wo sach h bharat ko ab apne fiter jet ki takat badani hogi 5 gen k fiter lena hoga or rafel bhi lena hoga
is this India's most upgraded Su-30MKI😭😭😭😭we need to do a lot more
Nope
Super Sukhoi upgrade has just started
@@fly463ab hoga fir 40 saal baad ?
@@L.K.P_
It has started
It will be fully completed before this decade ends
@@fly463
Super Sukhoi is inferior than J-16.
J-16D debuted much later than super Sukhoi upgrade.
@@ajaykumarsingh702
Oh yeah ?
Super Sukhoi upgrade has just started though? 🤔
Vintage airforce IAF na new upgrade time pe hota hai na inse new aircraft procurement hota hai alag seen hai inhone SBI bank ke management ko bhi piche kar dia h
Budget problems
@@legendslog3911 Corruption cut money problem not budget problem. Just like 2011 mirage 3 billion dollars scam upgrade deal.
It's sad to see that we lag behind china in almost every area. Reason is we have always been competing with Pak & china has always been competing with US. That is the difference.
no，because you guys far away have a United Nations.play the
British old book will destroy your future
well done china💪💪💪💪
China India pe kabhi ese attack karne wala nahi hai😄😄😄,
India ki problem India ke andar hai
True comparison can be done after super Sukhoi upgrade
Our netas are useless they always raise useless issues this is injurious to country 🤦🤦🤦🤦
Jab Aksai Chin ki tarah ladakh Or Arunachal china le lega tab bhi aakhe nhi khulegi inki
India has no concept of urgent
In electrical equipments china is far ahead than us....
very honest,
Pakistan Vale video banaya tho brainless statements dete hai
"Hamare jf17 tumhare aircraft carrier se behtar hai,😝😝"
I am a Chinese very happy to watch this video with you, our country also bought a lot of Russian Su 30 MKK fighters, It used to be our most powerful plane, until we had the J-16, Our domestic pilots have commented that the Su 30 MKK and J-16 are not the same generation aircraft, The two look similar but electronic equipment radar weapons and so on are very different, but you MKI also have many upgrades that we do not know, China now mainly produces the J-16 and J-20, both of which are currently in service with more than 300 aircraft Finally hope that world peace away from war🎉
你的回复很得体！攒！
Excellent Comparison
Please consider doing these videos in English
not in same genaration. J16 is at least half genaraion ahead.
RANGES 0F CH!NA PL15 IT'S 200 - 300 KM, PL15 E EXP0RT VAR!ANS IT'S 150 KM!!!
Su 30mki k liye uttam mk3 radar and ganga engine dovelopment m h, jo engine 125-135kn thrust produce ker sakega
This is the result of decades long Chinese appeasement and Pakistan centric defence planning.
Things are changing now, but we are decades behind and will take long time to level up.
Uganda airforce pe video bnao.🙏
Indian to ro rhe hain cmnt me😂
Fighter jet ka comparison krna se koi fyda nhee on paper acha lagta ha bus, but dog fight mein all depends upon pilots experience and presence of mind seconds ka khel ha, mig 21 se f16 udana khud americans ka hosh udd gaye😅 tha, f35 ko kyee bar take down kiya 4 generation jets na in training, yes mission ho koi jo bina enemy ko alarm kiya krna ha uska liya yeh diffrenciation dekha ja sakta ha
苏30MKI只是一架苏霍伊飞机，J-16是一架西方式航电平台
Jai Hind 🇮🇳
Bhai su 30 mki is upgrading with some ordinary capabilities and I am working in drdo so I know what capabilities su have .... But those information are not publically available...and I don't want to share those secret info so my indian brothers don't afraid... Su 30 is updated with some unique features... China can be easily knocked down
🎉
Like we will believe you
Lol
Bhai kyun bewkoof banate rehte ho yaar??? Pehle Russia tumko bewkoof bana ke chala gaya, ab tum public ko bewkoof bana rahe ho 😂. Kisi na kisi din, ye logon pata chal hi jayega, ki Sukhoi SU-30MKI is biggest failure.
@@flightengineer1990 tumolog wahi mustande ho jo drdo agar kahe toh manoge nahi. Matlab hotel ki delivery jaise tej chahiye kya. Matlab kuch bhi fighter jet ka upgradation chal raha hai ya chai banaya ja raha hai be. Hum indian ki yahi ek kahrab chis hai time line ka liye wait nahi kar sakta sab time line ka pahle chahiye.😂😂 Burbak
And SU 30 MKI is the backbone of IAF ... ab batao
Another great and insightful episode!
Chinese have technology, budget, numbers, speed of production, everything on there side.
If India can down a F16 with mig, a chinese j-16 flown by a chinese pilot can be downed by kids flying kites.
Akal se aur sakal SE dono SE paidal.
On the one hand u r saying much details are not available for j- 16 ,and on the other hand , u r declaring J-16 is the winner , how hypothetical.
We have compared both the aircraft with available details only. There should be no doubt that J-16 is better as it is a modern aircraft and got benefitted from the J-20s development. In this comparison video we tried to point out, where we can improve the Su-30MKI which can help us match J-16.
@@DefenceMatrix u have exact or atleast authentic information of Su-30 mki , but u , yourself admitted that , information on j-16 is not fully available or not up-to-date, now how can we compare two fighters if we donot have authentic information of one of the two , moreover we all know Chinese claims and realities ,
@@DefenceMatrix all these videos create negativity or creates inferiority complex in the minds of are fellow Indians , and this is want our adverseries want , u know , IW
@@madhavindian1609 Our fellow Indians should accept the reality, J-16 is a better aircraft, personally I don't believe in creating a rainbow world where everything Indian weapon is better than any other weapons our rival have. We are not Pakistan that we will claim JF-17 is world's best aircraft. We accept fact. J-16 is better than current Su 30MKI and it's a fact. Even if we don't like it.
@@DefenceMatrix i m not saying j- 16 is a bad aircraft, i m saying we donot have authenticated information on Chinese weapons and according to there past history, there claims cannot be trusted, moreover , j-16 has never participated in war where as , su 30 in its different versions have faced real battles and proved its worth , e.g balakot strikes , where su- 30 dodged American missiles used by porkis ,
our flankers need serious upgrade
Individual aircraft is nothing. It is all about overall envelope
I feel like Indian airforce is using normal paint to paint there aircraft for ex in su 30 , jaguar, mirage 2000
This is what happens when you just keep playing modernization modernization game but actually does no work on ground .....
Modernization is taking place and a lot of equipment is already modernized it takes time for a force as big as ours to fully modernize we are taking around 500 billion usd if memory serves (said by some important officer rank i forgot who tho)
@@WiggleDraggy I agree but if earlier government have fulfilled and completed all the deals of Indian armed forces in their respective time then probably upto now whole modernation plan was completed..... A conflit with China gives a necessary wake up call to Indian Government
@@ravindersinghpanwar3929 the previous govt wanted India to be a vassal state of China, so obviously they didn't spend money on defence modernisation. In 2024 the same scenario will repeat if congress comes in power, all defence projects will be scrapped.
@@WiggleDraggye aa gya babus ka dalal jab arunachal or ladakh dono le jaayenge Chinese aksai chin ki tarah tab bhi aakhe nhi khulegi 😂😂
Bhaiya please can you make one video on AL-31FU variant Saturn's Russian fighter jet engine technology especially your suggestions for Super Sukhoi su-30 mki programme Success with this engine facilitate because as per information it has got overall thrust power of 146 kns in it we can change without any modification
Su 30 MKI me Astra MK 2 lagne ke bad BVR combate bhi Badal jayaga
Nope, SU 30 is still far superior to unreliable j 16. ☝️😎
Agreed 👍💯
8:58 9up 😏
What combat projectile has a range of 60 Km+?
Is it possible to trust data provided by the pla? Coz mostly their data is based on if, but, and lots of questionable content.
The best answer is take it with a pinch of salt. These days information is power. Especially don't underestimate your enemies.
@@asherkosmos4312 yes... Everyone knows how soft power works. For which China is expert in.
India has world's best piolets 👍🏻🙏🏼
Piolets Or Toilets? 😂😂😂
yeah like abhinandan
6:29 BC Towed decoy ka acahr daloge jab Maws to hai hi nahi to pata kese cahlega Picche missile ari hai ki nahi?😢💔
20sal pehle duniya ka best fighter ko aaj Hamne Kuda banadiya hai...(wait for super sukhoi wait for Super...) Kab se sunte are hai wait hi to karre hai..udher China knock-off version bhi 300+ bana chuka hai.
We can make a composite material su30mki as we have donw with tejas. And make electronic warfare system testbed like j16. So we will have tejas mk2 , tedbf, amca and su30 mk1 composite for our 4.5 gen and 5th gen fighters.
If India could then you wouldn't be typing this comment in the first place.
Lol !
Use your brain.
A very nice comparision and we need to overhaul our sukhois.
We are fked anyway 🤷🏽♂️
A video comparing F15EX and J16 is required
We are not getting F15EX
@@mr.mastermind4840 china has to counter them. India air force alone isn't alone enough for china.
In Chinese exercises, SU35 even lost to J10C. Is SU30MKI more powerful than SU35?
Certainly J16 is superior to Sukhoi 30 MKI. However, lot depends on the skill levels of the combat pilots. There have been instances during WW2 and also during 1971 India Pakistan war when fighters(allied forces in WW2 and Indian forces in 1971) perceived to be inferior shot down superior fighters(German in WW2 and Pakistan in 1971). Now the question is whose combat pilots ave better skills? India or China ?
One more thing chinese have J-10, J-11, J-15, j-16, And J-20 with very large numbers which we dont have so they have quanity also where we lag a lot.
20/05/2023 Saturday 01:45PM
Among J-11 B and J-16 which is more strong?
J16。中国空军只购买了少量SU35用于过渡，后来觉得远不如自己的J16就没买了
Defense Matrix, you keep saying Su30mki fired R-77-1. While it can, IAF DOES NOT HAVE R-77-1’s in its inventory. India only operates RVV-AE which is the export variant of the R-77. IAF does NOT have R-77-1’s. I have researched quite a lot and have found no evidence of IAF possessing any R-77-1’s. Please fix that point.
Hello, well IAF has R-77-1, and I have the proof but can’t share it. So you can believe the source which is “Trust Me bro” here. But if you choose otherwise then also it’s fine.
@@DefenceMatrix yeah we trust you brother
No worries
But it would literally confirm your claim if you are somehow able to show it
@@DefenceMatrix can you share what you googled to find that proof? I’ve looked everywhere on the internet. All I see are RVV-AE orders. RVV-SD would be what IAF would have ordered if we operated the R-77-1’s. And no “trust me bro” isn’t a real source. No article, no official, nothing shows that IAF has R77-1’s.
@@aliarham7158 i don’t trust him. He’s made a lot of false claims in the past. Simple google searches have proved him wrong. I strongly suggest you try googling this yourself. Don’t accept anything you hear from these RUclipsrs just because they have a channel.
@@boejiden7093 personally, I have seen a Su 30 Flying with one and it is confirmed it was the SD. The picture is there but can't be shared.
Second, there was this news after the 27Feb incident. Hope you did your research, right.
www.google.com/amp/s/sputnikglobe.com/amp/20190620/india-begins-user-trials-of-russian-air-to-air-missiles-destroys-uk-made-drone-in-drill-1075979034.html
Dont worry pple. Sooner or later.. we're gonna upgrade our Sukhois.. with
- GaN based AESA radar with 1300+ T/R modules
-Full Glass cockpit with 2 touchscreen MFDs
- New RWRS and IRSTs.
- Anyway we're replacing most of the Parts of the Al41Fp engines with indian parts to make it more reliable and to increase its thrust a little bit
- And lastly the Best weapon package on the planet. Astra MK3 and Python 5.
What will happen if war broke out now ... We are lagging behind by far...And we don't know when these upgrades will take place or if at all will take place...
@@subhro1019 for now rafaels have to do double duty
@@Stephen7344
Lol !
Those rafales are nothing but white elephants.
And China will stall all development work till we catch up, eh?
J-16 airframes are new. All Su-30MKI airframes are 15+ years old, what’s the point to upgrade old airframes?
Sukhoi 30 mki vs Sukhoi 30 mkk??
We need to buy rafael for mrfa..
Guy's what hurry to upgrade su30.... rajasthan telagana madhya pradesh elections are coming... can't it wait? 😂😂😂
Our pilots dare to hunt down F16s with MIG21.
Don't worry, J-16 vs SU30MKI air battle will prove how talent & daring wins over superior machines.
Your media fooling you
@@A_Shanto unlike you, I donot believe in lies told by the woke media
You didn't spoke of the upgrades planned for mki. Just mentioning the flaws does not make a good discussion
they have a dedicated ew flankers...😢😢😢
ok. so whey India air force not upgraded su30mki
How can u forget canards in Su 30 which has an advantage in close combat?
Arey bhai, close combat aayega toh na? Sniper ko haath se maarne ke liye uske nazdik toh pochna chaiye na!
@@boejiden7093 right, but us logic ke hisaab se to thrust vectoring control, close range missile b nahi mention karni chahiye thi fir.
@@rakishansh ok so lets mention those too. Thrust vectoring control isn’t just for dogfights. It’s used for evading BVR missiles too. They provide the pilot with more control of the plane. Close range missiles are more for interceptions when an enemy fighter enters our air space and need to be escorted away. Example: 1999 Atlantique incident. IAF mig-21 fired R-60 close range missile at PAF intelligence aircraft. Theres even a video of the shootdown on youtube.
Why not compare mki and mkk/k2 instead?
What compare then if not showing detail china hide don't need to give info
In the Within Visual range, I don't think the comparison is proper because MICA IR is not a dedicated close combat missile, it is a medium range Imaging Infrared missile, similar to Russian R-27T missiles but with better sensor and performance. In WVR, which is normally 20km or lower, it is as effective as any modern IR missiles may be slightly better than Chinese PL-10. But just because it has higher range doesn't make it better because on that range, J-16 can actually use their Active radar guided missiles like PL-12 and PL-15 which will always offer better performance on longer than 30km targetting range, as >30km normally falls under BVR, not WVR. You need to consider how it performs in short ranges against the enemey's short range missile which in this case, almost similar, based on the specification in the video.
I guess the best WVR is Python 5 it's a scary missile in close range I watched the video about this missile they say even the missile misses the enemy in first attempt the missile will come back to hit the target again 🤷🏽♂️
Because MICA-IR is infrared homing missile , it can be launched passively (not using radar) and thus no RWR notification would be given to the enemy aircraft , so its entirely dependent on the tactical situation of the engagement and the pilot's skills
@@TheUnsungHeroes I am not countering the advantage of passive tracking missiles. What I am saying is that just because one has higher range does not make it a berrer Close Combat Missile.
Su 30 is almost 20yrs old is and ageing. Mk2 will take at least 12-15 years. Amca is still 2-3 decades away. 3-4 Squardons of F35 would be the best bet for tilting the balance in favour.
US has not officially made any announcement about it's F-35A offer to India, so we can't make strategies based on speculations
I think 36 f-35+ 100 more Rafal would be a great combination
AMCA is clearly not 2-3 decades away.
Mk 2 induction is in 2028 stop crying
@@sigmachadtrillioniare6372 samosa
Honestly speaking missing MAWS is a very very bad thing!
we need to add new engines for su 30 mki
India needs to have a cyber security regiment. It should shield sensitive institutions from cyber attacks as well as carry out counter attacks on the enemy.
Godi use them to attack the opposition instead of enemies.
Loving this series ❤
Need to upgrade SU30 MKI
Can India get the hypersonic R37 which is dominating Ukraine now
Rafael vs j 16
Numbers is also a big factor.
China has more J-16, J-15 and J-11 than entire Indian airforce that is capable for modern warfare.
Anime ka choda when he realises they can't deploy all of them at same place against one country. They would need to deploy 80% of their air assets in Taiwan strait. That too is very less considering usa naval Air arm
@@sigmachadtrillioniare6372
China has Rocket force.
It can crush Taiwan and USA with just 20% of their airforce.
Missiles will rain down over entire sector in South China sea.
Haa IAF toh soyi hui ha par humare defence channel vale hi jaag re ha...
Yrr jaha teri soch khatam hoti ha na uske aage se IAF ki planning shuru hoti ha😂😂...
Remember mig31😂😂
Tujhe doubt hai ki Airforce soyi huwi hai? Our Airforce is one of the most corrupt and incompetent airforces
Eye opener😂😂
MKI definitely need a better paint job
Since when PL-12 range is 80KM?
what's the range?
@@averagestudent522370-100km
We need the urgent upgrades on RAM coating, AESA and IRST .
Urgent matlab 400 saal ka toh time de re baba 😢😂
@@L.K.P_ 😂😂😂
उत्तम राडार और अस्त्र mk2 की जरुरत है सुखोई को
J16 if jam you what India can do nothing
what is a flanker series aircraft ?
air superiority aircraft it mostly engages in air to air fights to maintain air superiority.
There is no doubt that the new generation active phased array radar and weapons equipped by the J-16 are much better than the SU 30 MKI. The SU30MKI is better than the previous SU 27MKK and SU30MKK of the Chinese Air Force, but it is now old. The latest official pictures It shows that the J-16 can carry the ultra-long-range PL17. Previously, they could carry the PL15 and PL10. The PL15 has a range of more than 200 kilometers, and the PL17 has a range of more than 300 kilometers. The PL10 is a high-mobility short-range combat missile.