@@digita1hero It’s not indoctrination if they have the free will to decide for themselves. Indoctrination is abusive, this guy is not abusing anyone only offering wisdom to young people.
@@DaleBrose lies? Can *you* prove and demonstrate the object of your claim? We are talking about "historical" things sir Now, can *you* demonstrate it is a *lie* Gosh! Jim Wallace was a hardcore atheist. Including Lee Strobel. Again, it's debating history! Bart Ehrman, to mention, is also an atheist. His bias is saying that the New Testament is unreliable but not claiming that they are not true. It is merely his *position* BUT MAJORITY of Historians/ancient manuscripts Text Critics believe the reliability of the New Testament I am wonder *you* are claiming "it is a lie"? I mean, those historians are not academically ignorant or religious emotionals. They have come from non-joke universities gosh
@@riseupchapel5854 When you claim the reliability of the new testament, exactly what part are you calling reliable? I don't need to prove a lie. But the only evidence I need is the past 1900 years to see the claims of text such as Mathew 16:18 did not come to pass. I will concede that for the first century messianic Jews that this text was written for, it was not a lie. But it was propaganda and good marketing to give these people hope after watching their temple destroyed. The place where they had been told there entire life, was where their god dwelled. To witness the destruction of the temple by pagan forces had to have been traumatic for them. So, with good marketing, the idea of a mashiach that would drive out the Romans, reunite Israel and rebuild the temple gave these people hope. After all, their god fell to another power. How could this be? But, looking at scripture critically, the jewish text was grossly misrepresented, changed and taken out of context to make the Christian case. Just reading the jewish text in context and then looking at new testament writings is all the evidence I need to see that Christianity was established on falsehoods from the start. If indeed there was a historical Jesus and if indeed he did and said all the things that were claimed by writers decades later, then he was, in fact, a false prophet. If he was the Jewish Messaih, find me the text in the Tanakh were the god of the jews instructs Isreal to worship the messiah as god. But here we are, in 2022. Nothing has come to pass and people continue to build careers off of promoting all of this nonsense.
@@Shiloh2rtn Well, I would use the word "think" loosely in your case. But, since the church is an expert at child abuse, subjecting them to mental manipulation is just a part of it I suppose.
Thank you for this video. Very interesting to have a real life crime detective to dissect the case and form a firm conclusion. Very good apologetic talk.
@@canadiankewldude Which of his claims do you want to get refuted? The funny thing is that even the vast majority of Christian historians disagree with him.😂
@@ramigilneas9274 Please offer a link to which ever Christian historian that disagrees with him. A simple link and or direct debate providing and/or presenting the evidence.
Thank you very very much for all your videos. Praise Our Heavenly Father for the huge amount of effort, research and devotion you have put into these videos. I truly enjoy every single video I have watched of yours. Pray our Heavenly Father blesses you 🙏. Thank you
Thank you! Please tell detective to tighten up his presentation. Also, why is a Christian apologist using such a gruesome murder scenario involving his son to young kids to make a point when there are NUMEROUS other examples to drive home the point. NOT APPROPRIATE AT ALL FOR KIDS THAT YOUNG. PERIOD.
@@sk-un5jq Welp I guess it's because it's his job and it's just how he's able to connect his profession to the evidence. And, he's literally talking about the death of Jesus, it's not entirely unreasonable to talk about the process of death of the human body.
you ought to bear in mind no one comes back from the dead, that the definition of dead is "dead forever" - if jesus is god them he is also immortal, so he can't die even when he thinks a crucifiction will look good on his cv. you have been conned. explain to me how an immortal can decide to die, but then come back to life and that not be a deception?
@@HarryNicNicholas Hello, it was HIS body that died, not HIS Spirit and Soul. That's what happens to every human. Death is the separation of the spirit and the soul from the body (speaking of humans). Get the picture?
Maybe the church didn’t know for hundreds of years, about the water coming out of Jesus side when he was stabbed with a spear, but the Roman soldier knew - they were experts at death - and the reason they didn’t break his legs to make him die faster, is because they knew that if they stabbed his side and water came out, that he was definitely completely dead.
@@somerandom7672 Even more impressive since John didn't know: He just wrote what he saw however stup1d it may have looked at that time and for hundreds of years later.
@@derhafi The Bible is God's truth written on paper. Man would never write down all of humanity bad side, but only the good things humans do on earth. Why do bad when you know you can do good? There's around 5 thousand original New Testaments written in Greek found in the past. God has shown himself to humanity and man chose to not follow God. God is good and merciful. Jesus died for you on the cross to save you from sin and for love.
@Rob Davis... except when it's not lying. maybe you should look up recent studies overwhelmingly showing the positive health benefits of having a faith-in- God world view.. especially compared to the naturalistic world view "believing by faith" that all we see today came out of nothing. talk about lala land.
I am someone who was highly influenced by the word of faith doctrine. I am still trying to figure out if there is anything else that is still there in me which came from WOF.
I think this presentation went way over these kids head , they just want to hear police stories , I didn’t even realize he was talking to a kid audience until I started hearing the questions
They didn't get the jokes throughout the lecture. I have done confirmation classes with fifteen year olds it's like drawing blood , to get a conversation out of them. Only after about six weeks of chatting do they finally start opening up alittle.
@@randomcitizen9909 My mind is open, but my brains are not falling out. I am really trying to find some reason to believe. If someone can provide solid reasons to believe Jesus was resurrected, I will believe it. Water coming from his side is not incredible proof or evidence that it happened. The fact that an unknown number of randos wrote it in some books is also not a good reason. I'm not trying to be dismissive, demeaning or rude about it, but do people really think the water thing is incredible proof?
45 minutes explaining the deepest mystery known to mankind... any questions? Yes, what's it like being a policeman... I'd never have made it as a teacher.
45 minutes of nonesense, people don't die then come back from the dead. and immortal people don't die at all. if jesus is god, then tell me how can he die? cos he's immortal too, which means he can't die. you are so dumb it beats the crap out of me.
@@HarryNicNicholas Jesus wasn't just able to die, He had to die. If you were the slightest bit interested in truth you might have paid attention to the lecture and learned something.
@@Cpthilton why did he have to die? btw, death is the seization of life. if jesus is alive, he didn't die. if he died, he is not alive. make up your mind.
@@louiscyfer6944 If Jesus hadn't died we would still be on the hook for all of our sins. Jesus' torture and death allowed God a way to pour all of His wrath, that should have fell on us, onto Jesus (onto Himself). Having done this, God raised the name of His son above all other names, that any who would be saved must enter through HIS name, all others have to face the punishment for their own sins. So He was raised from the dead and glorified bodily that He would never see death again and that is our great hope that we will be like Him and live in a body free from sin and death. There is spirit and there is flesh; what is impossible with the flesh is possible with God. In addition to our salvation, Jesus also had to die to fulfill all that had been written of Him in the prophets. The Old Testament told us God would send a redeemer who would take our punishment; and God is no liar. So Jesus had to die to fulfill all the promises of God that had been written down over thousands of years.
Is this same presentation (46 minutes) available on DVD?? I teach at a Christian high school and we have Tuesday and Thursday Chapels that are about 35 to 40 minutes long and this would be an EXCELLENT presentation for our Students!!
@@salmonkill7 Guess I can call myself lucky not to be an American. Haha you guys are just adorable. They seem not to have tought you enough skills to see Jimmy here as what he is.
@@derhafi Yes you are indeed lucky!! I didn't respond to your text to be punitive, I was communicating everybody gets Indoctrinated into something! I worked 34 years as a National Laboratory Scientist and made many practical inventions in ionizing radiation detection, including the medical dosimetry used in 95% of US hospitals and about 60% Worldwide. I also was an expert at measuring the radioactive emissions of Uranium and Plutonium and I measured nuclear weapons often (full up) including the UK nuclear weapons. I suspect your British by your name. I was invited to work at Aldermasten (sp?) not too long ago. We have excellent teachers at our small Private school I teach at now, I am retired from my National Laboratory Scientist job and I enjoy teaching a great deal! My point is a fair one. Everyone is Indoctrinated in something, most people don't even realize it. The current religion of the day for Atheists is Scientific Materialism and it's shallow Worldview that struggles to explain much of anything. Best of luck to you!!
@@salmonkill7 As you should be aware but seem to hage forgotten ....science, which has absolutely nothing to do with Atheism ,is inherently materialistic and responsible for every explanation we have in regards to nature. Whereas supernatural fantasies including religious mumbo jumbo, has no explanatory power at all and thus has contributed nothing to our understanding of nature. One mystery is not explained by appealing to another. All thise years and you failed to understand those basics. What a shame.
I don’t know if I like “conspiracy theories” but if thinking for myself when what I’m told in school and/or on TV contradicts what my gut tells me or what defies common sense, count me in in the conspiracy theorist camp!
@@derhafi And some end up disagreeing with him and trusting their gut when their gut is just warning them about the Taco Bell they ate last night. They disagree with the idea based on pure feelings and have no facts to back it up. They jsut don't want to believe that they'll be held accountable for their sins
@@NovusIgnis There is so much wrong with your statement so that's its really hard to decide where to begin. You are basically a believer in magic, not much different from a dim witted peasant in the dark ages. Running on superstition and gullibility.
PRAISE THE LORD FOR THIS MAN AND HIS WORK IN THE RESTORING OF CHRISTIANITY TO IT'S RIGHTFULL POSITION. EVERYTHING J.W.W. SAYS MAKES ABSOLUTE SENSE. I HOPE ALL WHO'VE WATCHED THIS VIDEO WILL INFORM THEIR FRIENDS & AQUAINTANCES SO THEY'LL ALSO WATCH THIS VIDEO AND BE ENABLED TO DEFEND THE TRUTH OF THE GOSPEL (and at the same time support the Great Commission to go into all The World and preach the Gospel to every creature).HIS LOGICAL ANALYSIS OF THE FACTS CONNECTED TO CHRIST AND HIS MESSAGE, SPEAKS TO RATIONAL MINDS, CHRISTIAN AND NON CHRISTIANS ALIKE.
What a silly talk, trying to prove what he believes beforehand by faith. The Jesus story is just that: a story. You have much recent stories of thousands seeing apparitions of the Virgen Mary, I bet this guy don't believe any of those. Aside from a story, there is absolutely no evidence of Jesus having lived, much less rising from the dead. You have to believe it by faith, because you want to believe it, don't try to make it any other way.
That is exactly what I thought, Huberd. Also, I believe the lack of comments could be because he's not as entertaining as the other Apologetist (sp?). It's rough (for me) getting through the first 20 minutes.
@@mmitro2 Were you impressed by any of them? It has been three months since I watched this so I can't remember the specifics anymore. And do I have any arguments? Yes. No valid proof of God has been presented so there is no reason to believe in one.
@@mmitro2 For example, we didn't know what caused thunder and lightning so we said it was gods. Then we looked into it and found it was a natural phenomenon. No gods were necessary. Repeat for every claim about gods doing things.
@@myquestforfaith409 Bishop Irenaeus (disciple of Bishop Polycarp, who was the disciple of the Apostle John) writing in 180 AD in 'Against Heresies' says: “All the elders testify, those who were conversant in Asia with John, the disciple of the Lord [Ἰωάννῃ τῷ τοῦ κυρίου μαθητῇ], that John conveyed to them that information. And he remained among them up to the times of Trajan. Some of them, moreover, saw not only John, but the other apostles.” Trajan became Emperor in 98 AD.
@@rembrandt972ify Where is your evidence that he made it up? Stuffing your head in the sand might be your prerogative, but that doesn't eliminate his early testimony.
**Wrong about conspiracy. Properly defined, it only requires dupes (conned) plus (2+) plotters. Dupes help, or don't believe it. Then it can be an open collusion: no pressure to admit full reality directly.** But yes, it is ruled out with apostles.
"Call your first witness please" " um eh I don't have one" "What do you have?" "I have a non-eyewitness testimony written 40 years after the event" "Written by whom?" "I don't know" "Do you have any witnesses?" "Um no" "You say 500 people saw the zombie" "Oh yes I forgot, we have 500 witnesses for that" “this is one guy claiming that there were 500 witnesses, that is still only one guy from am anonymous letter, that is one not 500. Do you at least have their names?" "Ah" "One name will do" "Ah" "Not even one name out of 500?" "No" "You're making shit up aren't you" "Well, I have a book coming out..."
Your evidence is compelling. Assuming you're willing to accept anonymous non-eyewitness testimony of events written decades after the fact. You got any affidavits to go with that testimony?
@@gregoryt8792 Yes, well concerning Mr. Wallace. We must start with the understanding that the job of a detective is to present evidence to get a conviction, not reveal the truth. There are more than enough examples of people that were later discovered to be innocent that were sent to prison based on the evidence presented to a jury. So that is not an infallible method of proof. Especially when the jury is biased. I don't believe that you'll find many atheists that will argue that there are not examples of historically accurate elements in the bible. If historical and geographical accuracy was all this was about then there would be no debate. But it all falls short of proving God. If historical or geographic accuracy was the only standard of proof, then we would be compelled to apply the same standards to any and all religious text of all faiths and ancient religions.
Well he broke down why it's reason to believe it's true. Is it possible it could be a lie, yes anything is possible but it's not reasonable considering the fact that a lot of other spiritual books also mentions Jesus as a real person. Like the Quran. Again is it possible he not real yes . Is it also reasonable that he could be yes. But it's either he's really important or he's not important at all.
@@derrickevansjr3564 I'd say it's fully possible there was messianic Jew named Joshua wondering about in the first century. But he was certainly not the Jewish messiah.
Seriously?!? There are no known eyewitness accounts of this Jesus or any of the supposed events surrounding him. Flavius Josephus wasn't even alive when this Jesus supposedly resurrected from death. Are you trying to be the fool?
This has been up for two months. How are there no comments, either for or against? Are comments being deleted or blocked? I thought JWW was a bigtime apologist...
It is weird that there is nothing else here, right? Ok, so what do you think of JJW? I don't trust his ability to use logic to solve or argue for anything.
@@allan4210 It is certainly odd. Probably just the RUclips algorithm acting up. I was, and still am, unfamiliar with JWW. I honestly didn't finish the video. I've watched and enjoyed many hours of other apologists, though. I've come to the conclusion that the answer to my question won't be found in any video. I wouldn't say I am obsessed, but at least once a day I question reality/religion/life, those sorts of things. I'd like to be a Christian but Jesus' actual literal resurrection, among a couple other things, is kind of a hold-up for me. I just don't know how to get past that!
@@kevster288 Same here. I am also struck by the fact that if hell was real, my body wouldn't last five minutes unless it was being miraculously healed by god every second in an effort to prolong my misery and suffering. I can't square that with a loving god.
Since people were in contact with death (and often more violent deaths from battle, executions, etc.) , would they not have often seen the clear fluid from lungs/pericardium from stabbings with spears, etc., pretty often or at least more than modern Americans? Not a skeptic, just asking.
10:31 Jesus didn’t die 18:02 the apostles conspired to lie about Jesus 25:36 it was only hallucinations 30:25 the appearances of a risen Jesus were a(n) imposter(s) 32:46 the miracles were added after the fact
that guy is pretty useless as a detective. Mark didn't mention the resurrection, he also gave a hint that Jesus wasn't the son of god - why would the son of god expect god to have forsaken him? Luke and Matthew copied of Mark adding their own opinions. John didn't know what he was talking about and wrote an new fairytale to make Jesus seem more heroic. A resurrection would require magic and magic should never be the explanation in the real world. Imagine the repulsive liar Kat Kurr becoming the next Jesus in a few hundred years when everything about her has been twisted and misunderstood
@@georgewagner7787 supernatural doesn't exist. It is pretty easy to rule out. If you are a detective and include supernatural in your conclusion - you simply made the wrong conclusion, and you are in the wrong business - may I suggest priest or another kind of charlatan.
"Did Jesus Really Die and Come Back to Life?" You would have to prove Jesus existed first, then present evidence that he rose from the dead. If you wanted to prove that the stories in the Bible are true, you can't use those stories as the evidence.
prbably as a coffee boy, he's a useless cop. jesus died and never came back. 45 minutes of nonesense, people don't die then come back from the dead. and immortal people don't die at all. if jesus is god, then tell me how can he die? cos he's immortal too, which means he can't die. you are so dumb it beats the crap out of me.
@@HarryNicNicholasJesus did the will of the Father. He had a divine mission to fulfill. In order to redeem all of us, he needed to be born of Mary. During His ministry, he preformed miracles. His birth, his ministry, his betrayal his crucifixion and his resurrection three days later fulfilled the prophesy of Isaiah. I choose to take my beliefs on faith. You choose not to believe. One day both of us will find out who was correct. Good luck.
@@HarryNicNicholas I have read several comments from you cursing both Jesus and even now you are saying Jim is a useless cop although he is well known detective that solved the killing decades old. I know, I know you don't like us (the Christian) but I will pray for you. Base on your actions I think you are quite miserable somehow, because how can a happy person with reasonable mind can watch a video like this, don't try to dispute the logic but only throwing hate in the comment section. If you don't care, don't throw hate, just watch something else, I bet you have alot of other things better to do than this man. And if the people in Christianity hurt you somehow, I'm so sorry for that. I wish you the best and again, I will pray for you
What a waste of time. You already accepted the bible to be true. So whats the case of 'proving' a particular part of it, when you already say the whole book is true. You're not investigating whitout bias.
It appears to me that Mr. Wallace’s presentation has significant holes in it concerning the “death” of Jesus. He seeks to “prove” the death of Jesus based on one account in the gospels, John 19:31-37. This story appears only in John’s gospel which, of course, is the latest account written, perhaps 90-110 C.E. Who was there to either corroborate or disprove the story? Virtually, no one. Wallace commits a serious flaw, and that is the flaw of assumption. He is happy to accept the account because he thinks it supports his tautology that Jesus died, which, of course, is a logical necessity for proceeding to “resurrection”. Unfortunately for Mr. Wallace there is much internal evidence from the gospels themselves that calls this account and its veracity into question. Now that’s real news to evidential apologists because they have never searched the documents searching for actual evidence, or so it would appear. Mr. Wallace makes the very mistake he warns people to avoid, that is, Jesus died. As a result he becomes a victim to assumptions and in so doing loses his curiosity and simply winds up where he began, believing that Jesus died. And young, impressionable minds become victims to this thinking and teaching. Sad, but true. Many beliefs and the arguments to support them are simply houses of cards built on wrong/false assumptions. I would expect more from people honestly searching for reasonable answers. Thanks. Thom Waters.
Sadly, your entire assertion is full of holes. John and both Marys were at the crucifiction. They not only relayed what they saw to the other disciples, but were also interviewed by Luke. Paul met with John and Peter twice in order to assure that he was teaching the gospel according to those who were with Jesus from the beginning. It didn't really matter to anyone that water came from Jesus being pierced with a spear until people discovered that's how the human body works when they are dead. And yes, there is no doubt that Jesus was killed on the cross. It's also documented by the Romans and some Jewish historians.
@@silentghost751 I was hoping for something more concrete. Where is the evidence for the stories in the Bible, including the eyewitnesses? It may as well be a fiction. I don't know what the dead sea scrolls prove. This video, to me, is only evidence that there are a lot of gullible people in the world.
One additional word because it has, through many years, become more increasingly more frustrating dealing with Christian apologists who often disregard their own structures or “rules” for making their case or argument. Mr. Wallace is no different and either is not consciously aware of it or simply chooses to ignore it. This would be in his use of eyewitnesses, how to examine them, and what to consider. One of these, of course, is verification. Who verifies John’s “spear story@? No one does. Yet, Mr. Wallace is more than happy to use it as the critical piece of “evidence” for the death of Jesus. Sure, why not? It fits his belief and argument. Much more could be said along these lines, but I feel it to be somewhat self-serving when apologists do such things. Thanks again.
You already said this, and it's still wrong. What is interesting is that John wrote about something that people at the time did not know--but yet he recorded it because that's what he saw. That's why he mentioned it in his talk.
@@ronaldmorgan7632 How can you verify that's what he saw? How can you verify people at that time, in that area, didn't know about it? They may not have known the underlying mechanism, but it is likely that at least tens of thousands of people were crucified by the time the first "spear story" was written. It seems probable that at least some people knew about it. Wallace tried using it as "evidence" for the credibility of the Bible, but Thomas is right, he didn't (and can't) verify it ever happened.
@@myquestforfaith409 Eventually, people get to the point of questioning everything that they don't want to be true. Why should we believe anything in history that has been written? Should I only believe what I've seen, and you what you've seen? I mean, we didn't really land on the moon, right? How do we know for sure? See how ridiculous it gets? The apostles wrote about what they saw, and the others who wrote books in the NT interviewed all of the eye witnesses. Not sure why people hav such a hard with that. Well, I know why, but I'll just leave it there.
@@ronaldmorgan7632 I can't speak for anyone else, but it has nothing to do with what I want to be true. I want to know the truth. I don't care what it is. That's a good question. I think you should view everything from history with some level of skepticism, and determine if you believe it based on circumstances and evidence. This seems obvious, because events from history cannot be repeated. In the end, all you will have is your best guess. Maybe you shouldn't even believe what you've seen without question; again, depending on the circumstances. Magicians, illusionists and scammers make livings out of tricking people. Some people do hallucinate. If I tell you I saw something crazy, I hope you will at least think about it before believing me. I don't think it's ridiculous. They are fair questions. If you don't have the complete evidence for something, you cannot be sure it happened. You can make a decision based on what you do have about the probability that it did happen. However, whether we landed on the moon or not, either of those outcomes would be more easily believable than what Jesus did, and less important. Nobody lives their life based on the moon landing. Maybe we have different definitions of evidence. The fact that someone wrote something down doesn't make it true. This is obvious. You don't KNOW anything about the NT except what it currently says. You don't know what it originally said, or who wrote any of it, or when it was written, or if it was changed over time, or who was an eyewitness, or if there were any eyewitnesses at all, or if anyone was ever interviewed for it. You don't know if anything written in it ever really happened. There's no evidence of any resurrection, ever. They are a bunch of stories written around 1,900 years ago by unknown people. I have a hard time believing it because of all of this. It seems MUCH more likely that these stories are pure fiction, designed to attract followers with wild claims of divinity and eternal life (and threats of hell if you disobey), than it is that Jesus really came back to life after three days. You choose to believe it. I do not know why. It does not make sense to me. I assume most believe because someone told them it was true. I can't think of anything else that is so unquestioningly believed as the Bible.
Also, forgot to mention. This notion of Mr. Wallace that all the people during this time of Jesus knew what a dead person looked like and felt like is not only silly and at best is an exaggeration that he conveniently uses to “prove” his belief that Jesus died, but it is discredited by Scripture itself. In Acts 14:19-21. Here we find the account of Paul stoned, believed to be dead, dragged out of the city and left, but turned out to be very much alive. Not only was he not dead, must have looked pretty bad, but the VERY next day left with Barnabas to continue preaching. This assumption that Jesus was dead is beginning to look more and more suspect, and my rebuttal is just beginning. Further dialogue or interest? Experience has told me “no interest”. Thanks again.
Another dumb post. A major difference between crucified (which the Romans were experts at, and no one would have remained alive after), and presumed to be dead by someone because they look bad and they are not responsive. You have very weak arguments.
His easy embrace of fundamentalism shows how tendentious he is: he reaches his preselected conclusion with little resistance, like slipping down an ice sheet.😇
I see... this is a great conclusion you reached, at the end of a long list of really strong arguments! And your arguments are...? Can you at least be honest with yourself? Think about it.
nobody comes back from the dead, the definition of dead is not people who are nearly dead then revive, the definition of dead is being dead and staying dead. if jesus is god then he is immortal, you cannot be mortal and immortal, you cannot be immortal, decide to be mortal for a while, die, not really die, then come back to life and be immortal again, that is how nonsensicle religion is. dead = dead forever. immortal = alive whether you like it or not. if you think you have free will please explain how you think it works, because for one, no one can "give you" free will, it's yours or it's someone elses. second, either you make a choice for reasons, or you make a choice randomly, where is the free will in that? if you have free will choose to be atheist for a while, you can always change back because you have free will, no?
The definition of dead does not imply being dead forever. It simply means that you are no longer alive. Jesus's spirit is God, but his flesh is not. Therefore, his spirit is immortal, but his flesh, being flesh, is mortal. Jesus's flesh died, but never his spirit. You can be given free will; I don't see an argument that says that God can't make a person with free will. Having free will is simply having the ability to choose what you want to do. You wanted to make this RUclips comment, and you had the power to do so, so you did. For anything we can do, we decide whether we do it or not based off of what we know and desire.
Free will means you can do whatever the hell you want from the time you’re born to your last breath. You don’t have to pay taxes. You don’t have to work. However, there will be consequences to your actions. The only thing you have to do is die.
@@justinbrentwood1299 If we have free will why were the names of the saved written into the Book of Life BEFORE the world was created? Clearly scripture and doctrine disagree with themselves, again.
To understand the answer you need to understand who Jesus is. As humans we are a work in progress. Jesus, through many incarnations had reached a state of perfection, which meant he was Love personified, a Master soul. Such people have power over the material, which is why he could perform miracles and walk on water. Only a Master soul who is pure love has such powers, there is no way anyone who had not evolved to that point of pure love could do what Jesus did. This is a safeguard to prevent Divine powers being misused.
@@ayolovephat It's just as valid as all the other thousands of claims Christians have or what they understand the Jesus character to be. The only difference is you can't screech HERESY!!! and then kill James in the name of Jesus for not believing the same thing as you do...as was the common practice of Christians for the majority of the 2000 years of christian history. since the beginning of Christianity there has never been a consensus as to the understanding of who or what Jesus is.
I agree that Jesus is love personified; however the statement regarding him going through many incarnations is odd. Is this a belief based on Hinduism? I despite the word “ heresy.” I rather ask and learn. 😀
@@BlessedGJ Thanks for your response. This comes back to what are humans in essence? I believe that we are energy that takes on form, to experience a separate identity through a body, and that this occurs many times on the path to enlightenment. I understand that at Nicea, it was thought that people would not try if they knew that they had more than one chance, but consider this; God is Infinity! Could we really expect to have the remotest concept of the Creator in one short life? The Hindu version believes that we are trapped in form, but I believe that we choose to come here in order to make spiritual progress, many times over, and that the afterlife is multi-layered, with realms that can be resided in according to that progress, with the possibility of reaching higher when that happens. I refer you to 'My Father's house has many mansions', and also 'There are many things I could tell you but you could not bear them now'. In this time we can have greater understanding. I wish you well, truly!
John saw the water come out of Jesus side but he didn't know the science behind it. True. However, crucifixions were common. It's reasonable to assume that stabbing someone in the side to see if they were dead was common. Every time they stab someone in the lungs what appeared to be water would come out. There's nothing special about this observation. Like most apologists, this guy shades the truth to make his point.
The special nature of the observation was just that! A common occurrence, that otherwise would have been overlooked was both found to be significant and written down. Sounds like you might be doing a little shading yourself.
@@Cpthilton being crucified was also a common occurrence. so was torturing a criminal before they were crucified. yet christians make out like it was some special sacrifice. It wasn't. it was all mundane and ordinary. But Wallace claims that no one knew that water would come out of lungs when you stabbed the executed criminal. But they did. Even an uneducated and illiterate Roman soldier would especially know this as it was a common occurrence. They may not have known the biological mechanism to explain why it happened but that it happened would not have been a surprise. Maybe the writers of the jesus stories were ignorant of such facts, but not those back in that time who were familiar with crucifixion. So yes, Wallace is shading the truth to make a point.
@@jaclo3112 If not for your arrogance I would almost feel sorry for people like you. It was long prophesied that the Savior would be "numbered with the transgressors" and die a common, humiliating death. The fact that it fulfilled prophecy was what made it noteworthy; just as riding a donkey into Jerusalem wasn't an extraordinary event except that it had been prophesied for centuries that it would happen. The only reason Jesus was stabbed in this manner was because Passover was about to begin and they needed to quickly verify that he was dead, otherwise they would have let him hang there for days if necessary. So, most of the time this type of stabbing was unnecessary and even if the average Roman soldier knew it, the general population likely did not. Now, perhaps Wallace shouldn't have made a blanket statement but the larger point is clear, that being this seemingly benign detail provides astounding eyewitness evidence that Jesus was verifiably dead.
@@Cpthilton naawwww. You're upset at facts so need to make personal attacks. Doesn't change the fact that fluid from the lungs was not uncommon to those familiar with the common practice of crucifixion at the time. The technical details of the crucifixion and death of the jesus character was nothing special.
@@jaclo3112 I'm not upset at all, the only point you made had no effect on the overall conclusion. I mentioned your arrogance, not as an insult, but in reference to the fact that people like you think you can dismiss Christ with a wave of your hand. That's either arrogance or stupidity and I thought you would prefer arrogance, so I was actually trying to be nice.
Sir, I am baffled as to why such young children are at such a talk. Would they understand this? Maybe they do, it's possible, but it's not quite reasonable. LOL! I'm quite advanced in my age compared to these children, and I can just keep up only because I have already heard this similar talk a few times on RUclips, and it is hard. Using the same powerpoint presentation, I would not be able to explain it properly to someone else. Maybe you have had far more practice, that's probably it.
There should be no reason they can't keep up. The subject isn't particularly heavy or hard to grasp. I would have loved to attend such a lecture when I was a kid.
He happens to be quite wrong about what the watery liquid was that came out of Jesus at the cross. The prophecy of Job 16 tells EXACTLY what it was. Would YOU like to know what it was? Read Job 16: 6-14 and ask yourself why you and your church never read this before?
Hi, Paul. I read the Job 16 but I don't see the connection. Could be the translation I used? Could you explain further. Secondly I am not sure what you mean by your last comment about the church. Could you explain as well. Thanks for your time.
People open their mouths to jeer at me; they strike my cheek in scorn and unite together against me. God has turned me over to the ungodly and thrown me into the clutches of the wicked. All was well with me, but he shattered me; he seized me by the neck and crushed me. He has made me his target; his archers surround me. Without pity, he pierces my kidneys and spills my gall on the ground. That's just from verse 10 -13 to save space. Obviously its not Job since when did they strike Job's cheek in scorn or when was Job pierced and have his vital fluid poured out onto the ground? He is prophesying about Jesus just as David did in Psalm 22.Even the term 'He crushed me' echo's Isaiah 53's "But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities;"
"read the bible cos the bible proves the bible is right" look mate, no one is interested in what the bible says when it cmes to looking for truth, the bible was written by liars from the outset.
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Jim's work has greatly influenced my journey to Christ. His book Cold Case Christianity is really good.
Can you please elaborate on how he influenced you?
I just bought the book today and then saw this video. I'm excited for a really good read!
@@myquestforfaith409 You'll still be waiting for that 'elaboration' on your death bed ..
@@Theslavedrivers Yep...
planting seeds in these blessed children's lives. Some of them will be called by God.
And the rest? They will go to hell?
I hate when people say this because it makes it sound like only some people are special or worthy of God..
I'm pretty sure all of them are called by God.
@@madelynhernandez7453called not for salvation but discipleship
...or you could just be honest and call it indoctrination!
@@digita1hero It’s not indoctrination if they have the free will to decide for themselves. Indoctrination is abusive, this guy is not abusing anyone only offering wisdom to young people.
Just noticed that the audience are young souls. I am blessed and encouraged that talking to children is just possible.
Yup, it's important to start them early with the lies before they have well developed critical thinking skills.
@@DaleBrose lies?
Can *you* prove and demonstrate the object of your claim?
We are talking about "historical" things sir
Now, can *you* demonstrate it is a *lie*
Gosh! Jim Wallace was a hardcore atheist. Including Lee Strobel.
Again, it's debating history!
Bart Ehrman, to mention, is also an atheist. His bias is saying that the New Testament is unreliable but not claiming that they are not true. It is merely his *position*
BUT
MAJORITY of Historians/ancient manuscripts Text Critics believe the reliability of the New Testament
I am wonder *you* are claiming "it is a lie"?
I mean, those historians are not academically ignorant or religious emotionals. They have come from non-joke universities gosh
@@riseupchapel5854 When you claim the reliability of the new testament, exactly what part are you calling reliable?
I don't need to prove a lie. But the only evidence I need is the past 1900 years to see the claims of text such as Mathew 16:18 did not come to pass.
I will concede that for the first century messianic Jews that this text was written for, it was not a lie. But it was propaganda and good marketing to give these people hope after watching their temple destroyed. The place where they had been told there entire life, was where their god dwelled.
To witness the destruction of the temple by pagan forces had to have been traumatic for them. So, with good marketing, the idea of a mashiach that would drive out the Romans, reunite Israel and rebuild the temple gave these people hope. After all, their god fell to another power. How could this be?
But, looking at scripture critically, the jewish text was grossly misrepresented, changed and taken out of context to make the Christian case. Just reading the jewish text in context and then looking at new testament writings is all the evidence I need to see that Christianity was established on falsehoods from the start.
If indeed there was a historical Jesus and if indeed he did and said all the things that were claimed by writers decades later, then he was, in fact, a false prophet.
If he was the Jewish Messaih, find me the text in the Tanakh were the god of the jews instructs Isreal to worship the messiah as god.
But here we are, in 2022. Nothing has come to pass and people continue to build careers off of promoting all of this nonsense.
@@DaleBrose lol, and we're to think you have critical thinking skills. 🤣😂🤣
@@Shiloh2rtn Well, I would use the word "think" loosely in your case. But, since the church is an expert at child abuse, subjecting them to mental manipulation is just a part of it I suppose.
Thank you for this video. Very interesting to have a real life crime detective to dissect the case and form a firm conclusion. Very good apologetic talk.
wallace must have put so many innocent people away, thank god he's not a cop in my country.
@@HarryNicNicholas Do this scientifically, take these issues one at a time and refute the logic.
@@canadiankewldude
Which of his claims do you want to get refuted?
The funny thing is that even the vast majority of Christian historians disagree with him.😂
@@ramigilneas9274 Please offer a link to which ever Christian historian that disagrees with him.
A simple link and or direct debate providing and/or presenting the evidence.
@@HarryNicNicholas Do you have any credible evidence or is this a personal opinion.
Amazing video. Pass over closing in so this is just perfect to watch
Honest investigation and loved the reason you became a Detective. 🙏🥰
Outstanding and perfect to see Easter week. Thank you!
Hello from Germany 🇩🇪 Blessings
Thank you very very much for all your videos. Praise Our Heavenly Father for the huge amount of effort, research and devotion you have put into these videos. I truly enjoy every single video I have watched of yours. Pray our Heavenly Father blesses you 🙏. Thank you
very interesting! Thank u for this video. All Glory to God
Just wow 🤯🙏💪
yeah, unbelievably dumb isn't he. but, well, starting with the assumption that "pixies" do everything, it has to be dumb.
@@HarryNicNicholas Why do you go around pushing your feelings, why are you not disputing the logic being used.
Amazing content❤
God bless you and your family Jim ❤
I love how you get to the truth of CHRIST THANKS!
Good information about the Lord's resurrection.
It anyone finds the pace too slow then, fast forward a little past 20 minutes.
Thank you! Please tell detective to tighten up his presentation. Also, why is a Christian apologist using such a gruesome murder scenario involving his son to young kids to make a point when there are NUMEROUS other examples to drive home the point. NOT APPROPRIATE AT ALL FOR KIDS THAT YOUNG. PERIOD.
@@sk-un5jq Welp I guess it's because it's his job and it's just how he's able to connect his profession to the evidence. And, he's literally talking about the death of Jesus, it's not entirely unreasonable to talk about the process of death of the human body.
you ought to bear in mind no one comes back from the dead, that the definition of dead is "dead forever" - if jesus is god them he is also immortal, so he can't die even when he thinks a crucifiction will look good on his cv. you have been conned. explain to me how an immortal can decide to die, but then come back to life and that not be a deception?
@@HarryNicNicholas Jesus has two natures, human and God, his human nature can die while his Godly Nature won't. That isn't a contradiction
@@HarryNicNicholas Hello, it was HIS body that died, not HIS Spirit and Soul. That's what happens to every human. Death is the separation of the spirit and the soul from the body (speaking of humans). Get the picture?
Thank you King's, I enjoy hearing Jim's talks.
Blessings, ⚓
wallace always sounds like he's trying to convince himself, i don't think he believes in god.
@@HarryNicNicholas You feel, you think but where is your scientific approach, piece by piece credibly.
I am looking for Jesus.
Pray and seek him
Maybe the church didn’t know for hundreds of years, about the water coming out of Jesus side when he was stabbed with a spear, but the Roman soldier knew - they were experts at death - and the reason they didn’t break his legs to make him die faster, is because they knew that if they stabbed his side and water came out, that he was definitely completely dead.
But the Roman soldier didn’t write that report.
@@somerandom7672 Maybe it was common knowledge back then, when crucifixions were a thing though.
@@somerandom7672 Even more impressive since John didn't know: He just wrote what he saw however stup1d it may have looked at that time and for hundreds of years later.
I thought they didn't break his legs because they didn't want him to die quickly
They didn't break his legs because he appeared to be dead already. They only broke legs of those who were alive.
This is very educative...thanks jimmy...
My uncle is a body collector, you might think its a bad job but he gets a chance to minister to the families.
You mean he talkes to grieving families about atavistic mythology which makes nonesensical claims about some BS realm after this life?
@@derhafi The Bible is God's truth written on paper. Man would never write down all of humanity bad side, but only the good things humans do on earth. Why do bad when you know you can do good? There's around 5 thousand original New Testaments written in Greek found in the past. God has shown himself to humanity and man chose to not follow God. God is good and merciful. Jesus died for you on the cross to save you from sin and for love.
@@derhafi If he is calming grieving families that's a good thing whether you believe in Christ that's gonna be your problem.
@@chuckyoneill9029 Lying to grieving families is a good thing in your opinion?
@Rob Davis... except when it's not lying. maybe you should look up recent studies overwhelmingly showing the positive health benefits of having a faith-in- God world view.. especially compared to the naturalistic world view "believing by faith" that all we see today came out of nothing. talk about lala land.
The arts are key in science. Yes. God bless.
Not only do you present a good case for Jesus, but you also defined the JFK assisnation.
I love how he just calls out stupidity for what it is. 🤣 You can tell he never got caught up in the Word of Faith doctrine. 👏
I am someone who was highly influenced by the word of faith doctrine. I am still trying to figure out if there is anything else that is still there in me which came from WOF.
@@deepjoydeb4330 Check out the following channel - he has many videos exposing the NAR, WOF, and other heresies: www.youtube.com/@bzel333
I think this presentation went way over these kids head , they just want to hear police stories , I didn’t even realize he was talking to a kid audience until I started hearing the questions
They didn't get the jokes throughout the lecture. I have done confirmation classes with fifteen year olds it's like drawing blood , to get a conversation out of them. Only after about six weeks of chatting do they finally start opening up alittle.
Incredible proof and scientific evidence with the water! I never knew that! That’s so cool.
What is the water proof of?
@@myquestforfaith409 Do you believe Jesus lived, died and lived again?
@@randomcitizen9909 No.
@@myquestforfaith409 Are you actually on a quest for faith or is your mind closed? Is your username meant to be sarcastic?
@@randomcitizen9909 My mind is open, but my brains are not falling out. I am really trying to find some reason to believe. If someone can provide solid reasons to believe Jesus was resurrected, I will believe it. Water coming from his side is not incredible proof or evidence that it happened. The fact that an unknown number of randos wrote it in some books is also not a good reason. I'm not trying to be dismissive, demeaning or rude about it, but do people really think the water thing is incredible proof?
45 minutes explaining the deepest mystery known to mankind... any questions? Yes, what's it like being a policeman... I'd never have made it as a teacher.
45 minutes of nonesense, people don't die then come back from the dead. and immortal people don't die at all. if jesus is god, then tell me how can he die? cos he's immortal too, which means he can't die. you are so dumb it beats the crap out of me.
@@HarryNicNicholas Jesus wasn't just able to die, He had to die. If you were the slightest bit interested in truth you might have paid attention to the lecture and learned something.
@@Cpthilton why did he have to die? btw, death is the seization of life. if jesus is alive, he didn't die. if he died, he is not alive. make up your mind.
@@louiscyfer6944 If Jesus hadn't died we would still be on the hook for all of our sins. Jesus' torture and death allowed God a way to pour all of His wrath, that should have fell on us, onto Jesus (onto Himself). Having done this, God raised the name of His son above all other names, that any who would be saved must enter through HIS name, all others have to face the punishment for their own sins. So He was raised from the dead and glorified bodily that He would never see death again and that is our great hope that we will be like Him and live in a body free from sin and death. There is spirit and there is flesh; what is impossible with the flesh is possible with God. In addition to our salvation, Jesus also had to die to fulfill all that had been written of Him in the prophets. The Old Testament told us God would send a redeemer who would take our punishment; and God is no liar. So Jesus had to die to fulfill all the promises of God that had been written down over thousands of years.
@@Cpthilton so god had to do this? who told god this was the rule? god was bound by the scribblings of men?
Excellent!!
So interesting!
Is this same presentation (46 minutes) available on DVD?? I teach at a Christian high school and we have Tuesday and Thursday Chapels that are about 35 to 40 minutes long and this would be an EXCELLENT presentation for our Students!!
" I teach at a Christian high school " = I commit intellectual vandalism for a living
@@derhafi Rob Davis
@@salmonkill7 Guess I can call myself lucky not to be an American. Haha you guys are just adorable.
They seem not to have tought you enough skills to see Jimmy here as what he is.
@@derhafi Yes you are indeed lucky!! I didn't respond to your text to be punitive, I was communicating everybody gets Indoctrinated into something! I worked 34 years as a National Laboratory Scientist and made many practical inventions in ionizing radiation detection, including the medical dosimetry used in 95% of US hospitals and about 60% Worldwide. I also was an expert at measuring the radioactive emissions of Uranium and Plutonium and I measured nuclear weapons often (full up) including the UK nuclear weapons. I suspect your British by your name. I was invited to work at Aldermasten (sp?) not too long ago.
We have excellent teachers at our small Private school I teach at now, I am retired from my National Laboratory Scientist job and I enjoy teaching a great deal!
My point is a fair one. Everyone is Indoctrinated in something, most people don't even realize it. The current religion of the day for Atheists is Scientific Materialism and it's shallow Worldview that struggles to explain much of anything.
Best of luck to you!!
@@salmonkill7 As you should be aware but seem to hage forgotten ....science, which has absolutely nothing to do with Atheism ,is inherently materialistic and responsible for every explanation we have in regards to nature.
Whereas supernatural fantasies including religious mumbo jumbo, has no explanatory power at all and thus has contributed nothing to our understanding of nature. One mystery is not explained by appealing to another.
All thise years and you failed to understand those basics. What a shame.
really wish you guys could translate this in other languages, such as Spanish, Russian, French, German
I don’t know if I like “conspiracy theories” but if thinking for myself when what I’m told in school and/or on TV contradicts what my gut tells me or what defies common sense, count me in in the conspiracy theorist camp!
"thinking for myself " is not for everyone. Some end up thinking that Wallace here has a point.
@@derhafi And some end up disagreeing with him and trusting their gut when their gut is just warning them about the Taco Bell they ate last night. They disagree with the idea based on pure feelings and have no facts to back it up. They jsut don't want to believe that they'll be held accountable for their sins
@@NovusIgnis There is so much wrong with your statement so that's its really hard to decide where to begin. You are basically a believer in magic, not much different from a dim witted peasant in the dark ages. Running on superstition and gullibility.
PRAISE THE LORD FOR THIS MAN AND HIS WORK IN THE RESTORING OF CHRISTIANITY TO IT'S RIGHTFULL POSITION. EVERYTHING J.W.W. SAYS MAKES ABSOLUTE SENSE. I HOPE ALL WHO'VE WATCHED THIS VIDEO WILL INFORM THEIR FRIENDS & AQUAINTANCES SO THEY'LL ALSO WATCH THIS VIDEO AND BE ENABLED TO DEFEND THE TRUTH OF THE GOSPEL (and at the same time support the Great Commission to go into all The World and preach the Gospel to every creature).HIS LOGICAL ANALYSIS OF THE FACTS CONNECTED TO CHRIST AND HIS MESSAGE, SPEAKS TO RATIONAL MINDS, CHRISTIAN AND NON CHRISTIANS ALIKE.
Thank you
What a silly talk, trying to prove what he believes beforehand by faith.
The Jesus story is just that: a story.
You have much recent stories of thousands seeing apparitions of the Virgen Mary, I bet this guy don't believe any of those.
Aside from a story, there is absolutely no evidence of Jesus having lived, much less rising from the dead. You have to believe it by faith, because you want to believe it, don't try to make it any other way.
Who is your liter’s agent or publisher? I have never seen so many positive reviews!
Amen
This views and no of comments really infers that truth does tastes bitter in this world!!!
That is exactly what I thought, Huberd. Also, I believe the lack of comments could be because he's not as entertaining as the other Apologetist (sp?). It's rough (for me) getting through the first 20 minutes.
Or....
Very few views and comments because it is all rubbish?
@@allan4210 And your arguments are? Let's see them. Perhaps you can dismantle easily all his rubbish arguments. Let us know them, too, please.
@@mmitro2
Were you impressed by any of them?
It has been three months since I watched this so I can't remember the specifics anymore.
And do I have any arguments? Yes. No valid proof of God has been presented so there is no reason to believe in one.
@@mmitro2
For example, we didn't know what caused thunder and lightning so we said it was gods. Then we looked into it and found it was a natural phenomenon. No gods were necessary. Repeat for every claim about gods doing things.
John , the name given to the Gospel of John didn't see water come out because the writer was not an eye witness . The book was written in 90 to 100 ce
John, Mother Mary, and Mary of Magdala were all at the crucifiction. John was the youngest disciple and wrote until nearly 100.
@@ronaldmorgan7632 Is there any evidence for any of that?
@@myquestforfaith409
Bishop Irenaeus (disciple of Bishop Polycarp, who was the disciple of the Apostle John) writing in 180 AD in 'Against Heresies' says:
“All the elders testify, those who were conversant in Asia with John, the disciple of the Lord [Ἰωάννῃ τῷ τοῦ κυρίου μαθητῇ], that John conveyed to them that information. And he remained among them up to the times of Trajan. Some of them, moreover, saw not only John, but the other apostles.”
Trajan became Emperor in 98 AD.
@@Lepanto-1571 So a guy made up a story 80 years later. That is not evidence.
@@rembrandt972ify Where is your evidence that he made it up? Stuffing your head in the sand might be your prerogative, but that doesn't eliminate his early testimony.
Interesting.
**Wrong about conspiracy. Properly defined, it only requires dupes (conned) plus (2+) plotters. Dupes help, or don't believe it. Then it can be an open collusion: no pressure to admit full reality directly.** But yes, it is ruled out with apostles.
"Call your first witness please"
" um eh I don't have one"
"What do you have?"
"I have a non-eyewitness testimony written 40 years after the event"
"Written by whom?"
"I don't know"
"Do you have any witnesses?"
"Um no"
"You say 500 people saw the zombie"
"Oh yes I forgot, we have 500 witnesses for that"
“this is one guy claiming that there were 500 witnesses, that is still only one guy from am anonymous letter, that is one not 500. Do you at least have their names?"
"Ah"
"One name will do"
"Ah"
"Not even one name out of 500?"
"No"
"You're making shit up aren't you"
"Well, I have a book coming out..."
Your evidence is compelling. Assuming you're willing to accept anonymous non-eyewitness testimony of events written decades after the fact. You got any affidavits to go with that testimony?
@@gregoryt8792 Yes, well concerning Mr. Wallace. We must start with the understanding that the job of a detective is to present evidence to get a conviction, not reveal the truth. There are more than enough examples of people that were later discovered to be innocent that were sent to prison based on the evidence presented to a jury. So that is not an infallible method of proof. Especially when the jury is biased.
I don't believe that you'll find many atheists that will argue that there are not examples of historically accurate elements in the bible. If historical and geographical accuracy was all this was about then there would be no debate. But it all falls short of proving God. If historical or geographic accuracy was the only standard of proof, then we would be compelled to apply the same standards to any and all religious text of all faiths and ancient religions.
Well he broke down why it's reason to believe it's true. Is it possible it could be a lie, yes anything is possible but it's not reasonable considering the fact that a lot of other spiritual books also mentions Jesus as a real person. Like the Quran. Again is it possible he not real yes . Is it also reasonable that he could be yes. But it's either he's really important or he's not important at all.
@@derrickevansjr3564 so then you accept all other spiritual text, like the Quran, to be true and accurate text?
@@derrickevansjr3564 I'd say it's fully possible there was messianic Jew named Joshua wondering about in the first century. But he was certainly not the Jewish messiah.
500 people are recorded to have seen Jesus alive after the resurrection, including Josephus, who was not a believer, a Jewish historian.
Seriously?!? There are no known eyewitness accounts of this Jesus or any of the supposed events surrounding him. Flavius Josephus wasn't even alive when this Jesus supposedly resurrected from death. Are you trying to be the fool?
This has been up for two months. How are there no comments, either for or against? Are comments being deleted or blocked? I thought JWW was a bigtime apologist...
I happened to search the exact title.
It is weird that there is nothing else here, right?
Ok, so what do you think of JJW?
I don't trust his ability to use logic to solve or argue for anything.
@@allan4210 It is certainly odd. Probably just the RUclips algorithm acting up.
I was, and still am, unfamiliar with JWW. I honestly didn't finish the video. I've watched and enjoyed many hours of other apologists, though. I've come to the conclusion that the answer to my question won't be found in any video.
I wouldn't say I am obsessed, but at least once a day I question reality/religion/life, those sorts of things. I'd like to be a Christian but Jesus' actual literal resurrection, among a couple other things, is kind of a hold-up for me. I just don't know how to get past that!
@@kevster288
Same here.
I am also struck by the fact that if hell was real, my body wouldn't last five minutes unless it was being miraculously healed by god every second in an effort to prolong my misery and suffering. I can't square that with a loving god.
@@kevster288
I want to believe, want to have an afterlife with those I love, but can't buy in and drink the koolaid.
It's just a story, man. People don't rise from the dead.
Another word for supernatural would be unnatural. Now name one thing that is unnatural on this planet? If it's not natural it doesn't exist.
Men, believing they are women, makes them a woman?. is that "natural"?
Since people were in contact with death (and often more violent deaths from battle, executions, etc.) , would they not have often seen the clear fluid from lungs/pericardium from stabbings with spears, etc., pretty often or at least more than modern Americans? Not a skeptic, just asking.
10:31 Jesus didn’t die
18:02 the apostles conspired to lie about Jesus
25:36 it was only hallucinations
30:25 the appearances of a risen Jesus were a(n) imposter(s)
32:46 the miracles were added after the fact
that guy is pretty useless as a detective. Mark didn't mention the resurrection, he also gave a hint that Jesus wasn't the son of god - why would the son of god expect god to have forsaken him? Luke and Matthew copied of Mark adding their own opinions. John didn't know what he was talking about and wrote an new fairytale to make Jesus seem more heroic.
A resurrection would require magic and magic should never be the explanation in the real world.
Imagine the repulsive liar Kat Kurr becoming the next Jesus in a few hundred years when everything about her has been twisted and misunderstood
You didn't listen to the first 5 minutes. If you rule out the supernatural, you can't evaluate objectively.
Ps He's a pretty famous detective actually. He's regularly featured on Dateline.
@@georgewagner7787 famous and useless doesn't exclude each other. I already gave the reasons why he is useless as a detective
@@georgewagner7787 supernatural doesn't exist. It is pretty easy to rule out. If you are a detective and include supernatural in your conclusion - you simply made the wrong conclusion, and you are in the wrong business - may I suggest priest or another kind of charlatan.
Supernatural does exist. You can't explain mind without it. Nor moral order
Gee Jim, maybe some people wrote some stories that weren't accurate portrayals of the events they describe. No magic or silliness required.
Do not send a text message to detective, as I got a reply from pyschic readings nothing to do with the guy in the video.
He is LYING down !! Not LAYING. Only chooks lay .
"Did Jesus Really Die and Come Back to Life?"
You would have to prove Jesus existed first, then present evidence that he rose from the dead.
If you wanted to prove that the stories in the Bible are true, you can't use those stories as the evidence.
Check out the video. Andrew D. Basiago-crucifixion
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Actually he wasn't LAPD although he worked in Los Angeles County for the Torrance Police Department.
prbably as a coffee boy, he's a useless cop. jesus died and never came back.
45 minutes of nonesense, people don't die then come back from the dead. and immortal people don't die at all. if jesus is god, then tell me how can he die? cos he's immortal too, which means he can't die. you are so dumb it beats the crap out of me.
Jesus did come back
@@HarryNicNicholasJesus did the will of the Father. He had a divine mission to fulfill. In order to redeem all of us, he needed to be born of Mary. During His ministry, he preformed miracles. His birth, his ministry, his betrayal his crucifixion and his resurrection three days later fulfilled the prophesy of
Isaiah. I choose to take my beliefs on faith. You choose not to believe. One day both of us will find out who was correct. Good luck.
@@HarryNicNicholas I have read several comments from you cursing both Jesus and even now you are saying Jim is a useless cop although he is well known detective that solved the killing decades old. I know, I know you don't like us (the Christian) but I will pray for you. Base on your actions I think you are quite miserable somehow, because how can a happy person with reasonable mind can watch a video like this, don't try to dispute the logic but only throwing hate in the comment section. If you don't care, don't throw hate, just watch something else, I bet you have alot of other things better to do than this man. And if the people in Christianity hurt you somehow, I'm so sorry for that. I wish you the best and again, I will pray for you
@@HarryNicNicholas I pray that you will meet God one day, but in good term.
J. Warner Wallace: Did Jesus Really Die and Come Back to Life?
and in s0 d0ing make a m0ckery 0f his s0 caIIed sacrifice?
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Conspiracy theories aren't real? I guess he never heard of mk ultra.
What a waste of time. You already accepted the bible to be true. So whats the case of 'proving' a particular part of it, when you already say the whole book is true. You're not investigating whitout bias.
You might want to investigate the intel community and then revisit that weak conspiracy theory section.
It appears to me that Mr. Wallace’s presentation has significant holes in it concerning the “death” of Jesus. He seeks to “prove” the death of Jesus based on one account in the gospels, John 19:31-37. This story appears only in John’s gospel which, of course, is the latest account written, perhaps 90-110 C.E. Who was there to either corroborate or disprove the story? Virtually, no one. Wallace commits a serious flaw, and that is the flaw of assumption. He is happy to accept the account because he thinks it supports his tautology that Jesus died, which, of course, is a logical necessity for proceeding to “resurrection”. Unfortunately for Mr. Wallace there is much internal evidence from the gospels themselves that calls this account and its veracity into question. Now that’s real news to evidential apologists because they have never searched the documents searching for actual evidence, or so it would appear. Mr. Wallace makes the very mistake he warns people to avoid, that is, Jesus died. As a result he becomes a victim to assumptions and in so doing loses his curiosity and simply winds up where he began, believing that Jesus died. And young, impressionable minds become victims to this thinking and teaching. Sad, but true. Many beliefs and the arguments to support them are simply houses of cards built on wrong/false assumptions. I would expect more from people honestly searching for reasonable answers. Thanks. Thom Waters.
There is evidence. What more do you want
Sadly, your entire assertion is full of holes. John and both Marys were at the crucifiction. They not only relayed what they saw to the other disciples, but were also interviewed by Luke. Paul met with John and Peter twice in order to assure that he was teaching the gospel according to those who were with Jesus from the beginning. It didn't really matter to anyone that water came from Jesus being pierced with a spear until people discovered that's how the human body works when they are dead. And yes, there is no doubt that Jesus was killed on the cross. It's also documented by the Romans and some Jewish historians.
@@silentghost751 Can you please elaborate on this evidence you speak of?
@@myquestforfaith409 the Bible, Dead Sea Scrolls, eyewitnesses, this video, etc.
@@silentghost751 I was hoping for something more concrete. Where is the evidence for the stories in the Bible, including the eyewitnesses? It may as well be a fiction. I don't know what the dead sea scrolls prove. This video, to me, is only evidence that there are a lot of gullible people in the world.
One additional word because it has, through many years, become more increasingly more frustrating dealing with Christian apologists who often disregard their own structures or “rules” for making their case or argument. Mr. Wallace is no different and either is not consciously aware of it or simply chooses to ignore it. This would be in his use of eyewitnesses, how to examine them, and what to consider. One of these, of course, is verification. Who verifies John’s “spear story@? No one does. Yet, Mr. Wallace is more than happy to use it as the critical piece of “evidence” for the death of Jesus. Sure, why not? It fits his belief and argument. Much more could be said along these lines, but I feel it to be somewhat self-serving when apologists do such things. Thanks again.
You forget he was an atheist before he did research
You already said this, and it's still wrong. What is interesting is that John wrote about something that people at the time did not know--but yet he recorded it because that's what he saw. That's why he mentioned it in his talk.
@@ronaldmorgan7632 How can you verify that's what he saw? How can you verify people at that time, in that area, didn't know about it? They may not have known the underlying mechanism, but it is likely that at least tens of thousands of people were crucified by the time the first "spear story" was written. It seems probable that at least some people knew about it. Wallace tried using it as "evidence" for the credibility of the Bible, but Thomas is right, he didn't (and can't) verify it ever happened.
@@myquestforfaith409 Eventually, people get to the point of questioning everything that they don't want to be true. Why should we believe anything in history that has been written? Should I only believe what I've seen, and you what you've seen? I mean, we didn't really land on the moon, right? How do we know for sure? See how ridiculous it gets? The apostles wrote about what they saw, and the others who wrote books in the NT interviewed all of the eye witnesses. Not sure why people hav such a hard with that. Well, I know why, but I'll just leave it there.
@@ronaldmorgan7632 I can't speak for anyone else, but it has nothing to do with what I want to be true. I want to know the truth. I don't care what it is.
That's a good question. I think you should view everything from history with some level of skepticism, and determine if you believe it based on circumstances and evidence. This seems obvious, because events from history cannot be repeated. In the end, all you will have is your best guess.
Maybe you shouldn't even believe what you've seen without question; again, depending on the circumstances. Magicians, illusionists and scammers make livings out of tricking people. Some people do hallucinate. If I tell you I saw something crazy, I hope you will at least think about it before believing me. I don't think it's ridiculous. They are fair questions. If you don't have the complete evidence for something, you cannot be sure it happened. You can make a decision based on what you do have about the probability that it did happen. However, whether we landed on the moon or not, either of those outcomes would be more easily believable than what Jesus did, and less important. Nobody lives their life based on the moon landing.
Maybe we have different definitions of evidence. The fact that someone wrote something down doesn't make it true. This is obvious. You don't KNOW anything about the NT except what it currently says. You don't know what it originally said, or who wrote any of it, or when it was written, or if it was changed over time, or who was an eyewitness, or if there were any eyewitnesses at all, or if anyone was ever interviewed for it. You don't know if anything written in it ever really happened. There's no evidence of any resurrection, ever. They are a bunch of stories written around 1,900 years ago by unknown people.
I have a hard time believing it because of all of this. It seems MUCH more likely that these stories are pure fiction, designed to attract followers with wild claims of divinity and eternal life (and threats of hell if you disobey), than it is that Jesus really came back to life after three days. You choose to believe it. I do not know why. It does not make sense to me. I assume most believe because someone told them it was true. I can't think of anything else that is so unquestioningly believed as the Bible.
Also, forgot to mention. This notion of Mr. Wallace that all the people during this time of Jesus knew what a dead person looked like and felt like is not only silly and at best is an exaggeration that he conveniently uses to “prove” his belief that Jesus died, but it is discredited by Scripture itself. In Acts 14:19-21. Here we find the account of Paul stoned, believed to be dead, dragged out of the city and left, but turned out to be very much alive. Not only was he not dead, must have looked pretty bad, but the VERY next day left with Barnabas to continue preaching. This assumption that Jesus was dead is beginning to look more and more suspect, and my rebuttal is just beginning. Further dialogue or interest? Experience has told me “no interest”. Thanks again.
You don't believe?
Another dumb post. A major difference between crucified (which the Romans were experts at, and no one would have remained alive after), and presumed to be dead by someone because they look bad and they are not responsive. You have very weak arguments.
So you're comparing Roman soldiers to guys at a riot
Roman soldiers were experts in killing prisoners. If they failed to do their jobs, they themselves would be executed
His easy embrace of fundamentalism shows how tendentious he is: he reaches his preselected conclusion with little resistance, like slipping down an ice sheet.😇
I see... this is a great conclusion you reached, at the end of a long list of really strong arguments! And your arguments are...?
Can you at least be honest with yourself? Think about it.
So you don’t know that he was an atheist detective? Did you not listen to what he said? Obviously not.
@@chadkincham
Listening and believing are two different things.😂
@@ramigilneas9274 why would he lie
It wasn't preselected. He was an an atheist who wanted to disprove it
nobody comes back from the dead, the definition of dead is not people who are nearly dead then revive, the definition of dead is being dead and staying dead.
if jesus is god then he is immortal, you cannot be mortal and immortal, you cannot be immortal, decide to be mortal for a while, die, not really die, then come back to life and be immortal again, that is how nonsensicle religion is. dead = dead forever. immortal = alive whether you like it or not.
if you think you have free will please explain how you think it works, because for one, no one can "give you" free will, it's yours or it's someone elses. second, either you make a choice for reasons, or you make a choice randomly, where is the free will in that? if you have free will choose to be atheist for a while, you can always change back because you have free will, no?
Jesus is God wrapped in the flesh, which made him mortal, but then he was resurrected. It seems you have some confusion of the Holy Trinity.
The definition of dead does not imply being dead forever. It simply means that you are no longer alive.
Jesus's spirit is God, but his flesh is not. Therefore, his spirit is immortal, but his flesh, being flesh, is mortal. Jesus's flesh died, but never his spirit.
You can be given free will; I don't see an argument that says that God can't make a person with free will. Having free will is simply having the ability to choose what you want to do. You wanted to make this RUclips comment, and you had the power to do so, so you did. For anything we can do, we decide whether we do it or not based off of what we know and desire.
Free will means you can do whatever the hell you want from the time you’re born to your last breath. You don’t have to pay taxes. You don’t have to work. However, there will be consequences to your actions. The only thing you have to do is die.
You are absolutely correct, Harry but you forgot the power of Christian Special Pleading to resolve all contradictions and over come the obvious.
@@justinbrentwood1299 If we have free will why were the names of the saved written into the Book of Life BEFORE the world was created?
Clearly scripture and doctrine disagree with themselves, again.
To understand the answer you need to understand who Jesus is. As humans we are a work in progress. Jesus, through many incarnations had reached a state of perfection, which meant he was Love personified, a Master soul. Such people have power over the material, which is why he could perform miracles and walk on water. Only a Master soul who is pure love has such powers, there is no way anyone who had not evolved to that point of pure love could do what Jesus did. This is a safeguard to prevent Divine powers being misused.
This is heresy. Drop it, for your soul's eternal salvation. Cheers.
@@ayolovephat It's just as valid as all the other thousands of claims Christians have or what they understand the Jesus character to be. The only difference is you can't screech HERESY!!! and then kill James in the name of Jesus for not believing the same thing as you do...as was the common practice of Christians for the majority of the 2000 years of christian history. since the beginning of Christianity there has never been a consensus as to the understanding of who or what Jesus is.
I agree that Jesus is love personified; however the statement regarding him going through many incarnations is odd. Is this a belief based on Hinduism? I despite the word “ heresy.” I rather ask and learn. 😀
@@BlessedGJ Thanks for your response. This comes back to what are humans in essence? I believe that we are energy that takes on form, to experience a separate identity through a body, and that this occurs many times on the path to enlightenment. I understand that at Nicea, it was thought that people would not try if they knew that they had more than one chance, but consider this; God is Infinity! Could we really expect to have the remotest concept of the Creator in one short life? The Hindu version believes that we are trapped in form, but I believe that we choose to come here in order to make spiritual progress, many times over, and that the afterlife is multi-layered, with realms that can be resided in according to that progress, with the possibility of reaching higher when that happens. I refer you to 'My Father's house has many mansions', and also 'There are many things I could tell you but you could not bear them now'. In this time we can have greater understanding. I wish you well, truly!
@@ayolovephat I would say that we have to look into our hearts for the truth because therein lays the connection to our souls.
John saw the water come out of Jesus side but he didn't know the science behind it. True. However, crucifixions were common. It's reasonable to assume that stabbing someone in the side to see if they were dead was common. Every time they stab someone in the lungs what appeared to be water would come out. There's nothing special about this observation. Like most apologists, this guy shades the truth to make his point.
The special nature of the observation was just that! A common occurrence, that otherwise would have been overlooked was both found to be significant and written down. Sounds like you might be doing a little shading yourself.
@@Cpthilton being crucified was also a common occurrence. so was torturing a criminal before they were crucified. yet christians make out like it was some special sacrifice. It wasn't. it was all mundane and ordinary.
But Wallace claims that no one knew that water would come out of lungs when you stabbed the executed criminal. But they did. Even an uneducated and illiterate Roman soldier would especially know this as it was a common occurrence. They may not have known the biological mechanism to explain why it happened but that it happened would not have been a surprise. Maybe the writers of the jesus stories were ignorant of such facts, but not those back in that time who were familiar with crucifixion. So yes, Wallace is shading the truth to make a point.
@@jaclo3112 If not for your arrogance I would almost feel sorry for people like you. It was long prophesied that the Savior would be "numbered with the transgressors" and die a common, humiliating death. The fact that it fulfilled prophecy was what made it noteworthy; just as riding a donkey into Jerusalem wasn't an extraordinary event except that it had been prophesied for centuries that it would happen.
The only reason Jesus was stabbed in this manner was because Passover was about to begin and they needed to quickly verify that he was dead, otherwise they would have let him hang there for days if necessary. So, most of the time this type of stabbing was unnecessary and even if the average Roman soldier knew it, the general population likely did not. Now, perhaps Wallace shouldn't have made a blanket statement but the larger point is clear, that being this seemingly benign detail provides astounding eyewitness evidence that Jesus was verifiably dead.
@@Cpthilton naawwww. You're upset at facts so need to make personal attacks. Doesn't change the fact that fluid from the lungs was not uncommon to those familiar with the common practice of crucifixion at the time. The technical details of the crucifixion and death of the jesus character was nothing special.
@@jaclo3112 I'm not upset at all, the only point you made had no effect on the overall conclusion. I mentioned your arrogance, not as an insult, but in reference to the fact that people like you think you can dismiss Christ with a wave of your hand. That's either arrogance or stupidity and I thought you would prefer arrogance, so I was actually trying to be nice.
Sir, I am baffled as to why such young children are at such a talk. Would they understand this? Maybe they do, it's possible, but it's not quite reasonable. LOL!
I'm quite advanced in my age compared to these children, and I can just keep up only because I have already heard this similar talk a few times on RUclips, and it is hard. Using the same powerpoint presentation, I would not be able to explain it properly to someone else. Maybe you have had far more practice, that's probably it.
There should be no reason they can't keep up. The subject isn't particularly heavy or hard to grasp. I would have loved to attend such a lecture when I was a kid.
He happens to be quite wrong about what the watery liquid was that came out of Jesus at the cross. The prophecy of Job 16 tells EXACTLY what it was. Would YOU like to know what it was? Read Job 16: 6-14 and ask yourself why you and your church never read this before?
Hi, Paul. I read the Job 16 but I don't see the connection. Could be the translation I used? Could you explain further. Secondly I am not sure what you mean by your last comment about the church. Could you explain as well. Thanks for your time.
People open their mouths to jeer at me;
they strike my cheek in scorn
and unite together against me.
God has turned me over to the ungodly
and thrown me into the clutches of the wicked.
All was well with me, but he shattered me;
he seized me by the neck and crushed me.
He has made me his target;
his archers surround me.
Without pity, he pierces my kidneys
and spills my gall on the ground.
That's just from verse 10 -13 to save space. Obviously its not Job since when did they strike Job's cheek in scorn or when was Job pierced and have his vital fluid poured out onto the ground? He is prophesying about Jesus just as David did in Psalm 22.Even the term 'He crushed me' echo's Isaiah 53's "But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;"
@@paulbriggs3072 really? Job prophecy about Messiah? 😒 How did all scholars miss this!! Damn...
@@paulbriggs3072 uh oh..there is no evidence his kidneys were pierced.
"read the bible cos the bible proves the bible is right"
look mate, no one is interested in what the bible says when it cmes to looking for truth, the bible was written by liars from the outset.
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