New Details of FBI Raid on Mar-a-Lago and "Deadly Force," with Charles C.W. Cooke and Rich Lowry
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- Опубликовано: 21 май 2024
- Megyn Kelly is joined by Charles C. W. Cooke and Rich Lowry of National Review to discuss the new details about the FBI’s raid on Mar-a-Lago, the inclusion of "deadly force" language and whether that was just standard operating procedure, whether the raid was necessary at all, and more.
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Why, why keep asking the National Review anything these days? I don't ask that lightly. They no longer deserve respect.
Megyn I love your show ❤
@@thomass5169why? I am asking honestly.
@@radagastbrown9001 Because they have as much TDS as anyone on the left. They are the establishment, and they can't stand "populism" in any form. They worked with the left to keep and remove and then keep Trump out of the WH. They fear losing the loser influence they have had on conservatism. In fact, I'm not sure they actually wanted/supported Reagan when he needed him. In a word, they see themselves as elitist.
I don't say any of that easily. I am a conservative, my grandfather kept the National Review on his coffee table, and I was pleased he did. But their behavior on all things Trump has destroyed what good will I had for them my entire life. If it helps, I am 59. I am a Reagan conservative.
@@radagastbrown9001 I just attempted to send you a detailed answer, but it seems to be blocked. I'm glad you asked however.
The raid was ridiculous and totally unnecessary.
why? it found documents that were a threat to national security.
Putting that aside (i.e. assuming the raid was the right call), the FBI did do the right thing by contacting the Secret Service first. But that's not the issue. The issue came before that in that they were given a standard use of force order when you have anything but a standard situation. You have 2 separate federal agencies that have a use of force authority on opposite sides. Luckily, (as far as I understand it) the FBI did give a heads up.
@@krishanpaul2 Don't they always have the right to defend themselves? Why would they need an order?
Exactly. It was unnecessary. So why did they really do it? Hoping for an "excuse" to "mistakenly" end DJT?? Woops, we thought he was pulling a gun!
@@krishanpaul2 was trump present? if he wasnt it is unlikely the Secret service was either.
This is far more dangerous than most Americans realize.
Way more ...but she brings on spineless and nutless to discuss it.
It's funny how doctors, teachers, and law enforcements officers all became 'dangerous' only because they don't let Trump get away with his BS. A news flash: the ONLY people who let Trump get away with his BS are his supporters, they are the outliers, not everyone else.
I know how dangerous it is. The ATF killed a man in Arkansas during a predawn raid that was to serve a search warrant. He woke up to pounding on his door. He went to the door with a gun. He was killed. It was not a clear dangerous crime. It’s infuriating.
They went in to get the cross fire hurricanes documents they proved India flues in before n during his presidency
Sheer treason
@@davidgerald133
Really.
The place was already secured by the Secret Service. "Standard operating procedure" doesn't apply.
This channel is really a mixed bag. It's better than Ben Shapiro, but only by a little.
Guy is talkin bullcrap, no way is this S.O.P.
Since when it's SOP to raid former president's home? This is third world country SOP.
He seems smug and full of himself.
It is SOP in Venezuela.
@randyboggs3269 both those guys are
Is it S.O.P. to not wear FBI markings during a RAID? Is it S.O.P. NOT to wear body cameras during a RAID of a former President's home? Is it S.O.P. to tamper with and stage pics of the documents? Total corruption
It is unacceptable to raid a former U.S. President’s home. It is also unacceptable to do so w/ armed agents. Sorry, this was an entirely unique and unprecedented situation that at the very least required an entirely unique and unprecedented approach! I’m incredibly uncomfortable w/ the whole thing!
Biden's penchant for demonizing his political enemies rivals that of Stalin.
Biden's DOJ indicting the leading other party candidate Trump for dozens of fake felonies.
Those actions are worthy of Stalin and Lenin and Mao Zedong and Pol Pot and Mussolini and others.
it is unexeptable for the former president to not return the documents when requested.
@@edthebumblingfool imagine how unprecedented it is that the current President removed (stole) and kept documents from his time as Senator and VP when he had no legal right to do so, and then had his DOJ drop the charges against him.
Troll is under the bridge
@@edthebumblingfool There is a special place for you in Venezuela. You'll fit right in.
OMG THIS WAS A SWATTING ATTACK!
THEY WERE HOPING THE ELEMENT OF SURPRISE WOULD CAUSE CHAOS AND GIVE THEM THE EXCUSE TO SHOOT DJT
Plus the docs show that they were to do the assault in Street clothes. No jackets with FBI. Guns both hand and long were to be hidden.
Targets could be Trump's personal bodyguards and the Secret Service Detail TOOOOOOO.
All locks were to be broken by Force
Exactly what i have been saying. They wanted an excuse
Yes-just like Malinowski
Yes, just like Malin*wski
I m not so sure about your claim… the facts are that DJT did not return the documents and that the very last option available was to issue a search warrant . I think that we should all try to take a step back and try to think in terms of facts.
We have never seen this level of corruption in the Whitehouse.
Yes we have, Nixon and Trump.
@@2Bluzin Remove your Democrat blinders.
@@RobertLabonte-cw1bc Look in the mirror. Change the channel and watch an entire show of an apposing view. I do that all the time, I bet you cant do it. Would destroy your MAGA cult view of Democrats.
@@2Bluzin I was a Democrat until 2016. Voted for Obama twice. I watch and read numerous different channels and stories. If you can't see the corruption and EVIL being done to President Trump, by your Democrat party, then you are truly in the cult. Joey Biden has been dirty since the 1970s. Take off the blinders
Rich is suffering from severe TDS.
Both are, Charles is a whiner just like Lil davey
And if these guys are guests again, I'll unsubscribe from this channel.
You know what’s not standard? Raiding a former President’s home in that manner for shock value. You missed the pooch on this Mr supposedly smart guy
--- 'Shock Value' 👍
Right! This was so wrong
FJB
-- I love how they have a TRANSLATE option under 'FJB'!! haha
The FBI could have had a plan where if they met serious resistance that might otherwise precipitate the use of lethal force or any force, that the FBI should stop short of the use of force, retreat, and re-evaluate back at main Justice. Seems that's the most reasonable, sensible pla
solution. But not for Lowery, for him the solution is shoot Trump dead.
Didn't the FBI want all the surveillance cameras off and plant those 'classified' covers in that picture?
Yes. They wouldn’t allow Trump’s lawyers to witness what they were taking, demanded all security footage from the raid, and did stage photos, which is why the case has been indefinitely suspended.
That's right. They shut down all the surveillance cameras first.
Exactly! To think that they were not hoping for something to happen is being stupid
Shut down surveillance cameras, stopped Trump's attorney from going inside during the RAID. Did not wear standard body cameras on RAID. Harder to plant or tamper with documents if your wearing a body camera. All red flags pointing to corruption by these DC agents sent to Florida to conduct the RAID
It’s like watching a guest from MSNBC
purposefully acting stupid
National Review is a globalist, establishment front. They'd sell America out for a ten spot
There ya go, exactly right
Rich Lowry is talking BS
Agree
These guys are Uniparty.
Trump was cooperating with the Archives. Biden ordered the raid. This is in the prosecution memos released by judge Cannon.
And they were not in uniform. White polo shirts No badges showing
Exactly, like let us go unannounced, maybe people will freak out and think we are about to rob them, sorry who ever this Guy is , well I think he is Misinformed or trying to misinform us once again!
EXACTLY
Rich has the same problem Bill Maher does, Trump🤷🏻♂️
Yep.
So does Charles Cooke, even more so.
@Hard_Boiled_Entertainment exactly right
@@Hard_Boiled_Entertainment I watched a few more clips from that segment, you are correct 👍🏻
They will learn, THE HARD WAY....but they will learn.
Whether they want to or not.
You can't call that standard procedure. He was reportedly supposed to be there that night. They should have said "go in unarmed and if a confrontation occurs, withdraw."
Exactly, were they in unmarked white polo shirts with pre authorization when they entered Delaware residence??
NOPE, he was NOT REPORTEDLY supposed to be there, you are just making sh*t up. Provide the source or I call BS.
@@2Bluzin his lawyer
OMG THIS WAS A SWATTING ATTACK!
THEY WERE HOPING THE ELEMENT OF SURPRISE WOULD CAUSE CHAOS AND GIVE THEM THE EXCUSE TO SHOOT DJT.
Megan Kelly why are those two clowns on here ? Dan Bongino got it right...
they knew he wasnt on site.
@@edthebumblingfool BS!! Joey the Braindead Cadaver was HOPING Trump and family would be there, or he never would have issued that order!!
@@edthebumblingfool only when they got there they found out he wasn't there
There was no surprise, they called his lawyer 45 minutes in advance of the raid. They knew he would not be there. TRUTH
PLUS they went in with no FBI insignia, so the danger of secret service defending was higher.
I agree. That situation could have gone south in a heartbeat. The court documents state that the FBI wasn't only authorized to use deadly force, but they were also instructed to raid Mar-a-Lago with unmarked clothing.
So one needs to ask themselves, what was their intention going in.
can you explain what the FBI uniform is? The agents would have identified themselves as required by the law.
They also requested the cameras to be turned off, glad that was denied, they didn't want any accountability for their actions.
@@edthebumblingfool A clearly marked and labeled tactical vest, kevlar BDU, jacket or windbreaker with "FBI" for starters!
@@TLL1969 Police are only required to display a badge, Pretty sure the FBI did that and clear identified themselves as who they were.
They gave Trump and his lawyer a 45 minutes heads up. The plain clothes was a courtesy extended to Trump so it would not make him look bad.
If the DOJ authorized lethal force then we need to know who authorized it and they should be immediately removed from office. That persons disregard for human life could have caused a national catastrophe
Merrick Garland is not a friend of Trump and he has supreme authority overall. He would be the first to come to mind.
Christopher Wray.
Really fbi was told to wear plains clothes
Someone tell Rich that the FBI was ordered not to wear any clothes identifying them as being FBI
Rich Lowry is pretty dense in this case.
He’s dense period
Pure NeoCon nevertrumper
Why she has him or that Brit fop on her show escapes me
On what case is he not?
Richie is a Trumpophobe
Not dense for playing it bc he’s a pos
So part of standard procedure was to have the agents to dress down?
Yes they do that some times for white collar crimes.
Disappointing debate on this subject. I would love to see you bring on Dan Bongino for his take on it...someone with knowledge and experience.
No! There is no way the FBI & Secret Service should have been put in this situation together!
PDJT still retains some loyal security private operators from before his oval office time. Wise move on his part. Unlikely they would have been in on the Security Service an Stasi conspiracy for the raid. Had he been present would they defend the family or turn tail and back stab?
The outrage is that the raid should NOT have happened that way. It should NOT have been ok'd even for a normal person when you are talking about a nonviolent crime.
They find Top Secret Docs containing nuclear weapons plans your only concern is about they trying to get them back? MAGA are odd birds.
Please national review never trumper have no place on your show my dearLady
I would rather watch you put on make up
Well, we ALL would!!
absolutely!
megyn knows what she's doing having anti Trumpers on her show. makes her show unwatchable
biden certainly has a unique legacy that nobody will ever be able to deny, fjb!
You mean like getting us out of Covid, Lowest unemployment rate in 50 years, Highest Stock Market in history?
Who do you call when the Law is breaking the law? When are the adults going to be back in charge? OMG!!!!
Do you mean : when are we finally get Trump in prison ? … sorry for being so provocative but 94 charges is quiet unprecedent… not returning the documents sounds like a problem, no ?
Nope they want him out of the way.
Dan Bongino said this isn’t standard procedure
Rich is 1,000 % wrong on this one ! C’mon man !
The guest in the middle said it's no big deal. LOL. There is a special place for him in Venezuela and he'll fit right in.
curious. Bob Menendez was not given the same treatment. and we ALL see more evidence of his doings. fbi went pre dawn through the garage. no use of force was issued it said. Why'd he get that benefit when in fact that man has been accused of crimes for years?
Ruby Ridge. ?? Remember. ??
These two waifs are the wrong "men" to ask about this.
They sent the murder squad to Roger Stone...and old man.
Did they? I didn’t know that
Any source to back up your claim ?
If you take contact on a raid, you do not need authorization to return fire. You just return fire.
Your guest Imagines a lot, I do mean a lot.
Don't gloss over the fact that the DOJ turned down the crazy alternative idea of JUST ASKING!
Dont gloss over the fact that HE LIED about having the documents in the first place, then LIED AGAIN saying he turned them all over while hiding even more in the bathroom and his bedroom.
@2Bluzin NO he didn't, they were in the middle of discussions of what was wanted (as is ALWAYS done), and can take months to years(as is ALWAYS the case), it was initiated by the FBI, NARA and the WH counsel came up with the idea of referring it to DOJ without informing Trump team.....read their OWN emails if you doubt.
NOTHING TO SEE HERE, CARRY ON.OMG.SMH
Lowry you goof. They were ordered not to wear any Law Enforcement gear. Lowry is drunk! He's under duress. I think he"s gonna barf...
The only thing I see with all this b******* crap going on with President Trump this opens up doors to go after former presidents. Booyah!!!!
No only criminal ones.
@@edthebumblingfool Don't worry - we'll indict Joey Bribem soon enough!!
@@edthebumblingfool... That's Not what they did to Trump, they went in there to orchestrate a Crime, the Warrant proved that.
Unbelievable what this government regime has come to ,sad times in America
Megyn Kelly should talk to Mark levin. He’s worked for AG Meese and says this was way overblown with a house raid. Reagan would have never authorized a raid on a former president.
None of it was necessary. The end!
Yes they needed that firepower to confiscate documents protected by the secret service, right?
It was said that the agents could have wore civilian type clothing. If the secret service saw men in civilian clothing with guns come in, then it could have been a shoot out. That wouldn't have been good.
Sorry Trump hating Lowry. You are dead wrong! This is totally unacceptable and you know it.
The FBI was hoping to have an engagement. They were wearing polos and not labeled as FBI.
Hey Rich!!! Stop defending this shit!!!
Interview Julie Kelly, AND MTG. Waiting.
This is so sick and planned‼️😱 everyone should be up in arms about this. This is ridiculous. This is horrendous. This is audacious.
Deadly force over documents. Makes sense.
Mr. Lowry is under the misconception that there are still rules.
I don’t think it’s such a far stretch that an assassination attempt is out of the cards and I’m sure it will look like an “accident”
A raid is not going to look like an accident. Grow up.
This is why I don't subscribe to NR anymore.
I haven't read National Review in over 25 years. I feel vindicated.
rich lowry sounds like such a fool. i’ve always liked national review but i have to question my judgement
This guy is saying what’s the outrage? I guess he’s clueless that you would have two federal agencies having a gunfight at a golf resort.
You don't raid a house wearing plain clothes and holding guns you look like a burglar then
Um, that place was secured by the Secret Service
My question is, why the hell is the republican party just letting this all just happen. Where is all this well hush money coming from. Is it us the American taxpayer. This just seems completely wrong, almost 4 years now.
I love the apologists for Biden. Good job, TDS, go government!!
Megyn you are completely right what they think will happen between two federal agencies for them to do their job is insane
Tee dee S in the air
Why would it be surprising that this could have been a botched attempt to enlist a violent response or hurt Trump?
Have we so easily forgotten the Governments past in doing such things?
Woah!!! is that Pinhead Larry?
What is so hard to understand???? FBI and no one needs a pre-auth to shoot back in Self-Defense. What the Pre-Auth does is give the FBI authority to ACT FIRST before anyone shoots at them. That's the shocking assessment of this new detail.
This conversation is moot ,they had no damed business being there in the first place! 😅😅😅 All they had to do is ask for the documents! 😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮
If you tell your guests to use wired earbuds so they can properly hear the host and the other guest then the whole interview will go a whole lot smoother.
In the TV interview biz we know that “open mic / open speaker” is a bad idea. Seriously, even $1.25 earbuds from Dollar Tree will fix this particular problem.
The secret service disarms other law enforcement officers who come into the president’s (former) home. It’s a major safety issue for the secret service and the persons they’re guarding. There should have been communication between the two federal agencies where the FBI would be allowed in upon being properly identified. They also should have been shadowed by secret service while inside of the property.
They were also told to show up in plain clothes. If armed people show up a shoot out could have happened. USS was not notified
Why would you need undercover anyone come on Megyn you seem smarter than that they sent all those docs to him gg how are people so blinded by their own biases wait til it happens to you or me this ain’t right for anyone
The line about engaging with the Secret Service POC under previous liaison relationship means if there are any problems they SPEAK with the authorized Secret Service contact with FBI. All the parts of the ops plan that are being spoken about with fake outrage, from the "use of force language" to the level I trauma are standard.
Why do you keep misstating the Mat a Lago defense?
They didn't mention that the agents were instructed to wear plain clothes and conceal any service weapons. That would heighten the resistance of the secret service agents.
That was a courtesy for Trump not to embarrass him. They do that a lot in white collar crimes. The also gave the secret service a 45 minutes heads up before they got there.
"This is standard operating procedure."
That's just a dodge. The place was already secured by the Secret Service.
All for documents, not drugs, guns anything dangerous, but document's, over the top raid
Anybody remember the FBI shoot to kill orders at Ruby Ridge? MTG may not have been as wrong as you think.
Every time u have Rich on it drives me crazy. First, he talks so slow and acts like he is the smartest alive
The idea that papers are more valued than the life holding them is evil. No justification that lives need to be ended if they forcefully deny complying with the warrant. How does someone not sensibly say, "if things get that escalated, withdraw and de-escalate the situation while maintaining the absolute siege of the compound"? This is absurd and people need to be removed from their positions over it. Why is it a must to show absolute authority over every spec of dirt, air, and space for all moments of time even at the cost of lives unnecessarily taken? When the govt plays these types of personal vindictive games, it is proof and validation that the same govt needs to be reduced in power and capabilities.
Well, they gave the same search warrant to Biden and Pence. Standard procedure. Why are you so historical? Were you this concerned when Biden got one?
If the FBI really intended to harm the old coot, as he's implying, wouldn't they have planned the search for a time when he was, I don't know, home? He was in New York at the time.
MTG was correct.
It common practice to give other law enforcement a heads up if they are known to be in the area. If you dont it does create a dangerous environment. I’m not sure if we can call the FBI agents “law enforcement” anymore. Not totally sure you could ever have labeled them as such. It’s well known, government agents in most departments are political enforcement officers.
Megan why are you talking to this Democrat anyway, we don't want to hear him defending Biden.
The guy in the middle says “if someone shoots at the FBI, don’t you want the FBI to have authorization to shoot back?”
Bro, who at Mar-a-lago is gonna shoot at the FBI? C’mon
Can we see the documents showing they allowed the use of deadly force?
So crazy
A dangerous way to do it when Andy and Barney could have just called SS and set an appointment.
Really? After what the ATF just did in Arkansas you honestly think the FBI doesn't overstep their authority. All the government alphabet are out of control bureaucrats.
....and they have out the ex-President on trial! - normal procedure there dude!
SOP when trying to retrieve PAPERWORK???? Maybe to catch a killer or kidnapper, etc. I also heard that they were plain-clothed officers.
You’re telling me that the only way they can defend themselves is with written instructions in the warrant? Additionally they were instructed to approach in regular polo shirts or collared shirts not containing FBI markings
Dressing down was a courtesy to Trump. They do it all the time for white collar crime.
I hope that Jack Smith has the common decency to perform a reach around while he mounts Biden.
Neither Megyn nor Lowry seem sure about whether the Secret Service was notified in advance of the search. So let me clear that up: They were. So, much of Megyn's criticism of the search goes out the window.
Im sorry Bangino will say you're wrong this isnt standard wearing plain clothes
Rich Lowry "never trumper" enough said
Megan you don’t know maybe marjorie Taylor Green know something that you don’t know ! ! !
Is the FBI aloud to go int the Whitehouse armed?