Check out this guys comments on edward snowden. He claims edward snowden went to the russians when in reality snowden just had a connecting flight in russia but the us gov revoked his passport before he landed. Leaving him trapped in Russia. He often tells little lies and gets away with it. Go watch his interview on konkrete, at least there he gets called out on them several times by john kyriakou. In that interview its very clear he has zero respect for the constitution. I wish ppl could see the grift for what it is. Im not even sure he's off the payroll of the CIA, they have infiltrated media in the past, its not a huge leap. But it doesnt matter if he is on the payroll or not, he tows the line perfectly anyway
@@danielsmith1202 Dude just told you that he is a professional liar and perhaps CIA murderer and you're lapping it up. You can't take anything he says at face value. Plus never trust a man that wears a hair band. I rest my case 🤡
I think based off other interviews it’s safe to say - he has engaged professionally in morally questionable actions & is this skilled at manipulation & “charm” - BUT in spite of that work experience he also has moved onto a mission of spreading awareness in order to protect oneself, one’s community and one family so - that in itself is a solid, balanced turnaround.
So true when he said, paraphrasing here"we have the right to be happy, but not at the expense of our neighbors, we have to co-exist". And "the primary job of Congress is protecting American national security interests and making sure our society gets stronger, NOT undermine the purpose and intent of your office". Some in Congress are intent on taking away individual citizens right and also fundamentally changing government to a more authoritarian regime
@@apex71 actually the constitution says these individual rights are self-evident and should be protected by our government by the people for the people
Mr. Bustamonte. is probably the most fascinating I have seen on your program. He held my attention deeply. I originally began to watch simply because it was the next video in line and your videos are part of my routine. I have learned several bullet points from these few minutes of his discussion, the importance of questions being able to redirect energies and engaging within individuals. Absolutely fascinating. If this young man has a book, I am most certainly going to read it. Thank you for introducing me to AndrewBustamonte.
And when are you going to investigate your "American interests" foreign policy that determines that no African country has a right to its own resources? You do know that your CIA foments coups to overthrow and often assassinate any African leader that shows signs of governing for his people, don't you? These ambitions do not include attacking the USA, but rather to feed, house and cloth his people, using the natural resources found within his borders. American national security interests include economic interests, at the expense of everyone else's economic interests, and its protection by any means, fair or foul. And it is really only the one percent who benefit!
Congratulations David - great interview. This is by far the most fascinating conversation I have heard in a long time. Your questions were excellent and Mr. Bustamante's answers were extremely clear and to the point.
pakman didn't really offer any pushback i.e. the cia's history of interfering in democratically elected governments such as Chilie in 1973, Iran 1953, and Central America via the united fruit company
@@marcoszavala8435 bless you. I know you wont engage with this but. Men, the gendered term, can apply to a person birn female who has transitioned into a man. That means they can still have female reproductive organs. From this fact, i can show its a fact if you want, we can say these men with female reproductive organs can get pregnant. Try and engage
@marcoszavala8435 Why don't you call in and ask David that? I'll tell you why. It's because you're incapable of understand the concept behind your question 🤦🏻♂️ You must also have only 2 brain cells 😂
I understand your point although the interview was conducted in a specific allotted time frame which probably didn’t give way to more specific issues of CIA history so David kept it mostly Current Events and the like. I read in the comments that Bustamante was on Lex Friedman so perhaps that interview is longer and more informative.
@jool7793 Yeah, I assume he knows how dangerous tRump and his followers are, but I believe he down plays it in fear of losing money that he can use to make a better life for his family. He does say he plans on leaving the US, because he doesn't think it will offer the opportunities to his kids that it once would.
I was wondering why he didn’t tell Packman the truth, about how Trump is most likely to do the best for America, its citizens and freedom .. have you ever wondered why Packman has such a bias?
As a person who works in federal government consulting industry across agencies for 16 years - Bustamante is 100% correct that the majority of people who go into the national security arena are more progressive and liberal overall. And it’s also entirely correct to say each agency has its own culture. Even in DHS - there are a lot of more liberal people there. Be glad there are both “sides” because Bustamante is also correct that the world is not as ideal right now as one would hope. For example- I’m left of center, but I don’t care about the “feelings” or childhood trauma of sex traffickers, drug lords and I’m no longer naive enough to think they can be “rehabilitated”. Or, in DOD, you had better be pretty cognizant that Putin, Xi Jinping, and many of their followers, are psychopaths and “negotiating” with them not to release some bio agent somewhere in the US water supply. Negotiating with them would be like negotiating a car ride with Ted Bundy or a dinner date with Jeffrey Dahmer - sure, you can try - but you’re stupid if you think negotiating with them in normal terms will never matter to them, and you better be on your toes, and have your gun ready.
@@toriless Agreed. And this is another important reason for liberals and progressives to consider roles in national security. Those checks and balances at the ground level are what keeps the federal system from devolving into an autocracy.
I don’t see the “but” with which you start your last paragraph. I’m not anywhere near the center, I’m left wing. I agree with you point for point on what you say.
He really cut in twice when the guest was saying something that I wanted to hear, and on top of that it seemed that Packman didn't fully get the breadth guest's information. But I do appreciate Packman.
People need to be sceptical and careful of Bustamonte because even though he seems smart and well-spoken, he is quick to talk about his subjective opinions as if they are objective reality.
I don’t think he was really an employee of the CIA. He may of had some tenuous, superficial connection. But likely not an agent. It’s suspicious that his long green comes from “training” wealthy wannabes in spy-craft. I had a pretty good education. I’m certainly not an expert in diplomacy, foreign affairs, military history, or any other such things. But, I do know enough to recognize that some of the things he says, are total nonsense.
I've only watched about 7 mins of this, but I can tell you that the interviews with older former officers are much more interesting because they can actually go into quite a few details about the actual operations they were involved with...a really good one i watched recently is The Team House - The first female spy in Moscow.
David, Thank you. This was a very interesting conversation. Mr. Bustamante was articulate and clear, your questions were thoughtful and encouraging for him to answer. Great content.
Would be helpful to know Andrew’s take on MAL Documents Theft/Obstruction case, whether a detailed “Damage Assessment Report” covering potential security threats has likely been issued by ODNI, if such conclusions have been shared with foreign allies as they may also be impacted by those mishandled docs, and if a security threat still exists the longer the case is delayed (thank you, Judge Cannon) and the suspect is neither detained or given a verdict.
@@debrakron9049 he's been on a bunch, but the one I saw was Andrew Schultz. He made no less than 5 false or misleading claims within the first 12 minutes and I had to turn it off.
@@lyfsabych Same. I had a hard time listening without my bias about him and his own political bias, not for the center right, but for the far-crazy-right. Was very surprised to see him on this channel, but yet noticed he was very "diplomatic" about what he had to say.
I have only replied to 1 or 2 RUclips post over the last 20 years. I don't remember what was the topic. This was 2 very smart people that captured my mind. Andew open my thinking about intel as a retired law enforcement Deputy. Great interview!
This dude could pull off as your typical hipster stoner on the street. But after hearing him speak, he is very interesting and intelligent. He’s very well spoken and explains things clearly. I like him. Great interview David.
Wow I absolutely loved this interview, this man is genuinely intelligent, spoke well, I was fearful in the beginning thinking he was giving away too much information on the operational of government, but then I listen and he kept quiet about the inner workings of government, not revealing details. Great interview David, you ask all the right questions. Thank you.
@@therxlord3694 And I have heard another presentation just like this one, where a person claiming to be ex-CIA tells his cool stories, and by the end of the presentation he's explaining how the skills he supposedly learned at CIA could be useful for YOUR business. It's either a popular thing to claim to have been CIA, or it's how ex-CIA people tend to transition to civilian work. The guy in this presentation has the appearance that Jonna Mendez (supposed ex-CIA chief of disguise) would call a second-rate disguise. But then, maybe that was the intention...
State and local law enforcement, unfortunately, often start out middle to far-right. This is especially true in rural America. It is not good for America’s future. Fox News and Hannity plays on a lot of patrol room TVs-sadly.
John Kennedy would have been called far right today. That’s why so many are leaving the Dem party and Dem run cities and fleeing to red states. The extremism is turning so many. They’ve gone too far, against the best interests of America.
Hi David, this was a remarkable insight into how govenment works. I think Andrew Bustamante was beyond amazoning; was very credible and forthcoming into his experiences in his prior line of work. I absolutely resonated with the art of questions and perseption vs perspective. WOW. Kudos for such a fabulous and inteligent reporting/interview! Outstanding!
David, I greatly appreciated this interview, not just for the substance it conveyed, but by the method which it was conducted. You asked articulate and insightful questions without attempting to suggest that you were the expert, not the interviewee, And you did not try to guide his answers in a particular direction. A good lawyer tries to guide a deposition to get information helpful to his client. But a good journalist doesn’t try to guide the interview in this way, and you didn’t. Kudos.
You can take the part around the twenty one minute mark and make a RUclips short titled, "the difference between democrats and republicans is looking forward versus backward thinking" It really does summarize the main disparity. Democrats look forward and think about the future, republicans look backwards and think about the past.
Sure they do, Elizabeth Warren and Biden are trying to crush crypto while Trump just said he wants the future of bitcoin to be in this country. Get over yourself and leave your leftist bubble.
What a fascinating and delightful guest !!! The longer the interview lasted the more I liked this guy. THANK YOU TO BOTH OF YOU. (When I was in the army in the 1960s, my work was ultimately for the NSA. I was amazed at how much the army lied to us about true nature of our work was. Computer chis from about 59 years ago made my "human" work obsokute.)
I listened to his analysis of Israel Palestine conflict on another podcast and it was incredibly shallow and he gets some facts wrong but insisted he was correct. Of course this guy can't prove that he is ex CIA either.
Me too. He seems like the type to manipulate you by talking in a way that makes him seem smart and charismatic while not saying much. And he is on a lot of rightwing podcasts. Vote blue. And make sure to get your family, friends, neighbours and collegues to vote too. Voter turnout is what will decide this election.
Bustemante is saying recruits tend to be very liberal. I do not think the issues is Liberal vs Conservative, but rather idealists becoming realists over time.
You are an absolute moron. Dude is a wealth of knowledge. He’s only saying things you don’t like, that’s what you are bitter and negative, undeservingly
15:07 This is hugely important. The institutions act in their own interests first. Then, the executive. Then, eventually we get to individual agents who are serving the mission for their own motives - one would hope usually for the betterment of American society.
That’s the dude from the Lex Freedman podcast over a year ago who used his extensive experience in “intelligence” to tell us Russia would roll Ukraine in a couple of weeks.
Why do you feel like this is a ‘gotcha” ? Everybody thought this at the time, and quite frankly it’s a miracle eastern Ukraine didn’t immediately fall with the advantage russia had on them.
He claims to have commanded one of the 3 minutemen wings of the USAF. The commanders of those wings are public information going back decades, long enough to ensure he was not out of high school. He was not one of them. He claims to be former covert CIA agent but simply admitting that would be a violation of the Espionage act. That's why actual covert agents don't write books until they have been retired for decades, or like Valerie Plame revealed by someone else.
There's a huge difference between "government" and "politics". They are absolutely not the same thing. Most people don't understand that, and that lack of understanding makes the ground fertile for stupidly dangerous ideas like "project 2025."
Whenever you do drastic alterations to an existing large organization you make a bet. There is a risk of turning something largely functional into something completely dysfunctional. Incremental changes are nearly always better. This is why revolutions don't work. You can't just plan/imagine a new organization in the detail that's needed. Will stubborn people listen to this advice? Probably not
I missed the part of the interview where we find out his reasons for joining the CIA and the decision to leave it behind. Every time someone does an interview, unless the interviewee is pitching a book, I wonder what the agenda is. Bustamante said most of the sought after secrets aren't sexy. I was wondering whether his co-workers were boring or if they're all social butterflies. Basically, we all want to know if the job/vocation was ever fun or if it was always feeling like way too much work without much joy.
Didn't he give the reasons why someone would leave the CIA? First point was getting disillusioned by the reality of the job - and people in the comments have made it clear that the agency does make mistakes and this probably is connected to personal mistakes as well - and second point after years your work shifts from working in the field to more and more political games as you rise in the hierarchy which some would like and for some that is the point to quit and look for another job. And for why to join: he described the recruiting process, so indirectly how he joined himself.
I appreciate his opinion as a self admitted conservative, but having met and spoken with thousands of right-wingers, their worldview (in terms of facts) is typically driven by their short-sighted life experiences and their feelings. So it's hard for me to believe him when he says that most come in as liberal but turn conservative after being exposed to real-life situations. That's incredibly hard to believe, but to be fair, that's a right-wingers' point of view.
@spankyssurprise1361 Yes, you're right, but the left wing point of view is a fact based point of view. The right-wing points of view are based on bigotry, feelings, emotions, and indoctrination. That's why you guys are considered the backward political party. We look at history to learn from, you all look at history and long to go back.🤔
Agree completely. He’s speaking anecdotally as if factually. He does it a lot throughout the conversation. I get the sense here in the comments that too many are just accepting what he says without question.
This makes so much sense, you engage and employe progressives. Who bring on change and new ideas, creating new standards and culture. Who then reach a point where they want to maintain and keep the changes theyve brought on. Which turns them into conservatives. Because to simply put it, conservatives want to keep what they believe works unchanged. Mind blown 🤯
I wonder if Andrew knows Tom King? Tom King is currently one of the best writers in comic books. But he’s a retired spy like Andrew. And Tom has talk a little about his former job (not much) but when I met him (Tom) I was wearing a Trump shirt that said” nimrod “ over it Trumps face. It’s a Green Day nimrod anti trump anniversary shirt. And he said “great shirt” just for the comic fans Scott Snyder and Greg loved the shirt as well
I am increasingly concerned about Mexico's growing authoritarianism. Political candidates for Mexico's June election are being killed. We need a trifecta so Biden and Dems can begin to organize a functioning border.
Update for you from the future: 3 June 2024 - Mexico elected their first female president who is an environmental scientist and former mayor of Mexico City, winning through overwhelming numbers. Perhaps this is the first sign that the vast majority of people in the middle are shifting away from fear or apathy towards engagement; we can hope this spreads all over the world.
Here are some key takeaways from the video: - Andrew Bustamante was a former covert CIA officer who worked in the National Clandestine Service (NCS) from 2007-2014. His role was highly secretive - even his family and friends didn't know he worked for the CIA. - The CIA recruitment and vetting process is extensive, with multiple interviews and psychological evaluations to assess if candidates are suitable for clandestine roles. - Contrary to popular belief, intelligence "secrets" are often very mundane technical details rather than sexy plot lines like in movies. - Bustamante believes the intelligence community leans liberal when hiring younger employees, who then often become more conservative/centrist as they gain experience seeing global threats. - He cautions against overtly politicizing intelligence agencies, arguing they should be nonpartisan and focused solely on protecting national security interests defined by Congress. - For everyday people, useful spy skills include elicitation (getting information without revealing your intent), gaining perspective beyond your own perceptions, memory techniques, and managing fear/anxiety productively. - The anxiety management goes beyond therapy techniques by tying it to operational utility - redirecting energy purposefully after calming down.
@@Unhingedanduninformed I've watched enough to know that if he felt his prior employment claims were even the slightest bit uncertain, he would have introduced him with a modicum of skepticism rather than as a clear matter of fact. How did you read it?
That's the problem with people on "your side" . Most only want to hear the echo chamber of your side and silence anyone not on your side which is censorship not freedom .
@@mattstrat1 Noticing someone's point of view and their world view and identifying that as being different than ours is not an echo chamber. The current Trumpublican right wing (you?) belongs to a cult that mostly listens to what is essentially American State Media. The right worships a single man above Country, Constitution and Christ. There are bubbles, but that information bubble is so tiny that the most egregious lies possible are accepted as being true without even the slightest bit of critical assessment.
You have a lot of "experience" with what? This guy is no longer in any roles at the CIA ..... or is he? 🤣 Just turning his old job into a social media income.
Yes he did and I take all of what he said on the subject with a huge grain of salt. He is very quick to get into subjective territory and people here in the comments are quick to assume he’s speaking objectively.
I very much disagree with what Andrew Bustamante states at ~13:30: “as individual citizens, we have the freedoms and rights as granted to us by the U.S. government.” It’s my understanding that this nation was very much founded on the principle that we have GOD-given INALIENABLE rights that are NOT granted by any human authority or institution, including the U.S. government, and that, in fact, this nation was also founded with the expressed intent to LIMIT such government OVER-REACH and abuses of power (ergo the whole reason why we separated from England and fought the Revolutionary War … for our independence and freedom from oppressive authority).
Ummmmmm. Not buying what this fella is hawking. See what I did there? ;) Love your show, David. I've been 90% on board with everything you have said & offered. But you have interviewed a couple people I must say I cannot get on board with. Thanks though! You're fabulous in ALL the right ways! ❤❤❤😊❤❤❤
❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤I don't believe this guy at all. 1), people who work in clandestine roles rarely go public or want publicity. This guy is on every social media and podcast he can get on. 2), this guy claims his role is so deep: no one can confirm he worked at the agency and he can't talk about the specifics of his job. Rightfully so, how convenient, and great cover for him. Therefore, what he's saying is: I was there, I did this, I did that, JUST BELIEVE ME, AND TAKE MY WORD FOR IT. David, I love your show, please don't bring this guy on again. Your audience is much more intelligent that this. Thank you.
I have seen a ton of interviews of people that retired as he has fro,m spy roles who are doing interviews now so he was correct when he said that, their topics are mostly about the govern,e t lies about ufo type things
"It's like other gov departments, but more interesting." Later-"Secrets are boring". What's the interesting part then, if not the secrets? The "pressure maintained in the hypersonic missile" is not boring, either. I beg to differ.
This was absolutely top notch. Really gives me a more intelligent overall perspective and appreciation for those committed to our way of life. Even if it's imperfect. We just need to get lobbyists out of our government.
My two daughters and I have been harassed and stalked for almost 16 years by two CIA officers that I turned in 2022. They’re not untouchable, yet we still have to suffer their harassment.
It is so refreshing to listen two smart people having a conversation.
So refreshing to be utterly taken by a grifter
Where can I find that?
Check out this guys comments on edward snowden. He claims edward snowden went to the russians when in reality snowden just had a connecting flight in russia but the us gov revoked his passport before he landed. Leaving him trapped in Russia.
He often tells little lies and gets away with it. Go watch his interview on konkrete, at least there he gets called out on them several times by john kyriakou. In that interview its very clear he has zero respect for the constitution. I wish ppl could see the grift for what it is.
Im not even sure he's off the payroll of the CIA, they have infiltrated media in the past, its not a huge leap. But it doesnt matter if he is on the payroll or not, he tows the line perfectly anyway
@@danmar007Well there is one here. There's also a YT... so called personality.
Andrew is an OG. You can tell he’s a good dude with a good heart but he’s also realistic. Love him. Glad you had him on David!
Incorrect assessment
@@hardtakeoff oh wow! I’m convinced! You made such an amazing argument! 😂🤡
@@danielsmith1202 Dude just told you that he is a professional liar and perhaps CIA murderer and you're lapping it up. You can't take anything he says at face value. Plus never trust a man that wears a hair band. I rest my case 🤡
I think based off other interviews it’s safe to say - he has engaged professionally in morally questionable actions & is this skilled at manipulation & “charm” - BUT in spite of that work experience he also has moved onto a mission of spreading awareness in order to protect oneself, one’s community and one family so - that in itself is a solid, balanced turnaround.
So true when he said, paraphrasing here"we have the right to be happy, but not at the expense of our neighbors, we have to co-exist". And "the primary job of Congress is protecting American national security interests and making sure our society gets stronger, NOT undermine the purpose and intent of your office". Some in Congress are intent on taking away individual citizens right and also fundamentally changing government to a more authoritarian regime
You misspelled GOP. 😂
I agree. The right and the left are trying to take our freedoms.
@@Damacles9 your a troll
I guess you missed the part where he said your rights and freedoms were granted to you by the government. False.
@@apex71 actually the constitution says these individual rights are self-evident and should be protected by our government by the people for the people
I was a Peace Corps Volunteer Bolivia 2000-2003 but stayed 5 years...I love this guy's stories
Its cia approved
Nowhere in the interview did Andrew Bustamante say that.
Mr. Bustamonte. is probably the most fascinating I have seen on your program. He held my attention deeply. I originally began to watch simply because it was the next video in line and your videos are part of my routine. I have learned several bullet points from these few minutes of his discussion, the importance of questions being able to redirect energies and engaging within individuals. Absolutely fascinating. If this young man has a book, I am most certainly going to read it. Thank you for introducing me to AndrewBustamonte.
And when are you going to investigate your "American interests" foreign policy that determines that no African country has a right to its own resources?
You do know that your CIA foments coups to overthrow and often assassinate any African leader that shows signs of governing for his people, don't you? These ambitions do not include attacking the USA, but rather to feed, house and cloth his people, using the natural resources found within his borders.
American national security interests include economic interests, at the expense of everyone else's economic interests, and its protection by any means, fair or foul.
And it is really only the one percent who benefit!
I watch him on Beyond the Secrets of Skinwalker Ranch
I love listening to that guy. He is so clear with his communication.
Andrew is a very well spoken guest. Appreciated his insights.
Congratulations David - great interview. This is by far the most fascinating conversation I have heard in a long time. Your questions were excellent and Mr. Bustamante's answers were extremely clear and to the point.
Your comment sounds like an AI bot.
I could listen to this guy all day. Andrew is such an interesting person with engaging opinions and stories.
One of the best interviews yet. Good job David and look forward to your next video.
Finally. Bustamante is interviewed by someone with more than two brain cells😂. Finally a good line of questioning for this dude..
Yea, the same guy who thinks men can get pregnant? Lol please
pakman didn't really offer any pushback i.e. the cia's history of interfering in democratically elected governments such as Chilie in 1973, Iran 1953, and Central America via the united fruit company
@@marcoszavala8435 bless you. I know you wont engage with this but.
Men, the gendered term, can apply to a person birn female who has transitioned into a man. That means they can still have female reproductive organs.
From this fact, i can show its a fact if you want, we can say these men with female reproductive organs can get pregnant.
Try and engage
@marcoszavala8435 Why don't you call in and ask David that? I'll tell you why. It's because you're incapable of understand the concept behind your question 🤦🏻♂️ You must also have only 2 brain cells 😂
I understand your point although the interview was conducted in a specific allotted time frame which probably didn’t give way to more specific issues of CIA history so David kept it mostly Current Events and the like. I read in the comments that Bustamante was on Lex Friedman so perhaps that interview is longer and more informative.
Great interview, David. I got a lot out of it. Love to buy Andrew a beer sometime
You and 10,000 others but you can buy me a drink and we'll talk 🤣
I'm amazed that he doesn't ring an alarm for how Trump would make America one of the chaos countries he describes
Don't be one of these libtards who think he is Hitler lol
@jool7793 Yeah, I assume he knows how dangerous tRump and his followers are, but I believe he down plays it in fear of losing money that he can use to make a better life for his family. He does say he plans on leaving the US, because he doesn't think it will offer the opportunities to his kids that it once would.
Not everyone has to be political all the time
Grow up
I was wondering why he didn’t tell Packman the truth, about how Trump is most likely to do the best for America, its citizens and freedom .. have you ever wondered why Packman has such a bias?
As a person who works in federal government consulting industry across agencies for 16 years - Bustamante is 100% correct that the majority of people who go into the national security arena are more progressive and liberal overall. And it’s also entirely correct to say each agency has its own culture. Even in DHS - there are a lot of more liberal people there. Be glad there are both “sides” because Bustamante is also correct that the world is not as ideal right now as one would hope.
For example- I’m left of center, but I don’t care about the “feelings” or childhood trauma of sex traffickers, drug lords and I’m no longer naive enough to think they can be “rehabilitated”. Or, in DOD, you had better be pretty cognizant that Putin, Xi Jinping, and many of their followers, are psychopaths and “negotiating” with them not to release some bio agent somewhere in the US water supply. Negotiating with them would be like negotiating a car ride with Ted Bundy or a dinner date with Jeffrey Dahmer - sure, you can try - but you’re stupid if you think negotiating with them in normal terms will never matter to them, and you better be on your toes, and have your gun ready.
It seems you are right about Putin, Xi Jinping, etc being psychopaths. Yet I wonder how they can reach these conclusions definitively? Thanks.
Which is the danger of DJT, he thinks he can, totally delusional
@@toriless Agreed. And this is another important reason for liberals and progressives to consider roles in national security. Those checks and balances at the ground level are what keeps the federal system from devolving into an autocracy.
I don’t see the “but” with which you start your last paragraph. I’m not anywhere near the center, I’m left wing. I agree with you point for point on what you say.
@@i.ehrenfest349 Thats even better.
David Packman is a very good interviewer.
Not
He really cut in twice when the guest was saying something that I wanted to hear, and on top of that it seemed that Packman didn't fully get the breadth guest's information. But I do appreciate Packman.
This was an absolutely fascinating interview. I could watch many more episodes of it!
He is all over youtube, have fun 🎉
The artistry on both ends of this conversation, Is absolutely beautiful.
Oh yes. Such an artful job by David. Your such a pathetic ego stroker. Boring. Easy questions.
Interesting convo
People need to be sceptical and careful of Bustamonte because even though he seems smart and well-spoken, he is quick to talk about his subjective opinions as if they are objective reality.
Not once did he say 'I think ...' because he's repeating his training not his feelings
He seems extra suspect to me.
I can deny this guy is smart, but I don't trust him.
My thoughts as well
I don’t think he was really an employee of the CIA. He may of had some tenuous, superficial connection. But likely not an agent. It’s suspicious that his long green comes from “training” wealthy wannabes in spy-craft. I had a pretty good education. I’m certainly not an expert in diplomacy, foreign affairs, military history, or any other such things. But, I do know enough to recognize that some of the things he says, are total nonsense.
I've only watched about 7 mins of this, but I can tell you that the interviews with older former officers are much more interesting because they can actually go into quite a few details about the actual operations they were involved with...a really good one i watched recently is The Team House - The first female spy in Moscow.
Jack Barski is a good one to watch. He was a Russian spy here in the US
David, Thank you. This was a very interesting conversation. Mr. Bustamante was articulate and clear, your questions were thoughtful and encouraging for him to answer. Great content.
Boy you sure buy it all hook line and sinker on Mr David's channel eh
@@romper4444 sure do!!! Just like you Fox and OAN groupies.
Very informative. Hope this helps many understand how important government is! Thank you
You can write off MAGA.....
I work in government...most of their importance in self generated and highly overrated.
Lol who are you referring to?
It isn’t
@totozviarait is NATO’s fault. You should do your research.
What an incredible man! Thank you for your service to our country.
Thank you for the questions you asked. I found this very interesting and informative.
Andrew is 1000 times smarter than what delusional David ever could be…
Would be helpful to know Andrew’s take on MAL Documents Theft/Obstruction case, whether a detailed “Damage Assessment Report” covering potential security threats has likely been issued by ODNI, if such conclusions have been shared with foreign allies as they may also be impacted by those mishandled docs, and if a security threat still exists the longer the case is delayed (thank you, Judge Cannon) and the suspect is neither detained or given a verdict.
I've seen him run cover for Trump on a right wing podcast. I can't take anyone seriously who does that.
My, that’s disconcerting then.
@@lyfsabychwhat right wing podcast was he on? I’d like to watch it.
@@debrakron9049 he's been on a bunch, but the one I saw was Andrew Schultz. He made no less than 5 false or misleading claims within the first 12 minutes and I had to turn it off.
@@lyfsabych Same. I had a hard time listening without my bias about him and his own political bias, not for the center right, but for the far-crazy-right. Was very surprised to see him on this channel, but yet noticed he was very "diplomatic" about what he had to say.
I have only replied to 1 or 2 RUclips post over the last 20 years. I don't remember what was the topic. This was 2 very smart people that captured my mind. Andew open my thinking about intel as a retired law enforcement Deputy. Great interview!
This dude could pull off as your typical hipster stoner on the street. But after hearing him speak, he is very interesting and intelligent. He’s very well spoken and explains things clearly. I like him. Great interview David.
He doesn't like you
Then you need to talk to more stoners. We could teach you how to sniff out Feds.
I assume he is in disguise. I bet his hair is a piece and surely he can afford dental work
Wow I absolutely loved this interview, this man is genuinely intelligent, spoke well, I was fearful in the beginning thinking he was giving away too much information on the operational of government, but then I listen and he kept quiet about the inner workings of government, not revealing details.
Great interview David, you ask all the right questions.
Thank you.
Anybody could make a personal CIA story up, there is no way to verify it.
I am in the safari club, I have 300 passports, it is like I don't even exist. This isn't even me writing this message, it is AI.
Exactly, then grift $$$ out of people and claim to be a consultant!
i kinda hate this bustamante guy. seems like a hard-core grifter.
This is cia approved
@@therxlord3694 And I have heard another presentation just like this one, where a person claiming to be ex-CIA tells his cool stories, and by the end of the presentation he's explaining how the skills he supposedly learned at CIA could be useful for YOUR business. It's either a popular thing to claim to have been CIA, or it's how ex-CIA people tend to transition to civilian work.
The guy in this presentation has the appearance that Jonna Mendez (supposed ex-CIA chief of disguise) would call a second-rate disguise. But then, maybe that was the intention...
Loved this one. Excellent interview! This gentleman's experience is super fascinating.
State and local law enforcement, unfortunately, often start out middle to far-right. This is especially true in rural America. It is not good for America’s future. Fox News and Hannity plays on a lot of patrol room TVs-sadly.
John Kennedy would have been called far right today. That’s why so many are leaving the Dem party and Dem run cities and fleeing to red states. The extremism is turning so many. They’ve gone too far, against the best interests of America.
Great interview David! Extremely interesting subject and love Andrew Bustamante as an interviewee. Very interesting subject to listen to.
This man is a PR wizard. He sure put a friendly spin on unelected government.
Can’t wait for Parkman to go back to lecturing us on how the deep state is a crazy conspiracy theory now.
Maybe he never left the CIA and is doing PR and recruitment.
What an intriguing conversation between two very articulate people. Enjoyed every minute of it and even learned something in the process.
you may be extremely gullible. look again. think critically
Hi David, this was a remarkable insight into how govenment works. I think Andrew Bustamante was beyond amazoning; was very credible and forthcoming into his experiences in his prior line of work. I absolutely resonated with the art of questions and perseption vs perspective. WOW. Kudos for such a fabulous and inteligent reporting/interview! Outstanding!
David, I greatly appreciated this interview, not just for the substance it conveyed, but by the method which it was conducted. You asked articulate and insightful questions without attempting to suggest that you were the expert, not the interviewee, And you did not try to guide his answers in a particular direction. A good lawyer tries to guide a deposition to get information helpful to his client. But a good journalist doesn’t try to guide the interview in this way, and you didn’t. Kudos.
You can take the part around the twenty one minute mark and make a RUclips short titled, "the difference between democrats and republicans is looking forward versus backward thinking"
It really does summarize the main disparity. Democrats look forward and think about the future, republicans look backwards and think about the past.
Put another way, Democrats have learned absolutely nothing from history while Republicans try to conserve historical wisdom.
Republicans are consumed by hatred, jealousy and bitterness
Sure they do, Elizabeth Warren and Biden are trying to crush crypto while Trump just said he wants the future of bitcoin to be in this country. Get over yourself and leave your leftist bubble.
Right…
Not really. It's a pretty childish level of analysis. I guess it sounds good though. 👍
Absolutely FABULOUS conversation!!! Thank you Mr. Bustamante for your service to our country!! 🇺🇸🗽
This was an excellent interview. Thank you!
Very good interview. Easy to understand and intelligent. Thank you.
He in on Discovery Channel on the series "Beyond Skinwalker Ranch'! Great show!
"The CIA has six ways from sunday to get back at you" chuck schumera warning to trump when trump was in office.... who is the real power in America?
It's Hollywood Bustamonti!
What an incredible interview!! Thank you David and Andrew
I was reading some book written by an ex CIA guy, the mental makeup required to be one is extraordinary.
I wonder if he wrote the book I read
What a fascinating and delightful guest !!! The longer the interview lasted the more I liked this guy. THANK YOU TO BOTH OF YOU.
(When I was in the army in the 1960s, my work was ultimately for the NSA. I was amazed at how much the army lied to us about true nature of our work was. Computer chis from about 59 years ago made my "human" work obsokute.)
I'm incredibly skeptical of this guy; especially given some of his ridiculous 'self-help' products.
Same here
I listened to his analysis of Israel Palestine conflict on another podcast and it was incredibly shallow and he gets some facts wrong but insisted he was correct. Of course this guy can't prove that he is ex CIA either.
Me too. He seems like the type to manipulate you by talking in a way that makes him seem smart and charismatic while not saying much. And he is on a lot of rightwing podcasts.
Vote blue. And make sure to get your family, friends, neighbours and collegues to vote too.
Voter turnout is what will decide this election.
@jool7793He is a snake oil salesman. Just the freaky hair in this video is a sign to back off.
Yeah, absolutely.
Bustemante is saying recruits tend to be very liberal. I do not think the issues is Liberal vs Conservative, but rather idealists becoming realists over time.
I have seen this guy in other podcasts. He seems to say a lot of nothing and isn't exactly dropping truth bombs for someone who was a secret spy.
You are an absolute moron. Dude is a wealth of knowledge. He’s only saying things you don’t like, that’s what you are bitter and negative, undeservingly
My buddy was like you have to listen to this guy. I was like he said absolutely nothing which isn't common knowledge.
Why would he drop truth bombastic a former spy? So he can get arrested?
Truth bombs are boring 😅
@@rahusphere The "truth bombs: are not enlightening at all.
He is a master of the bleeding obvious.
Great interview!!
15:07 This is hugely important. The institutions act in their own interests first. Then, the executive. Then, eventually we get to individual agents who are serving the mission for their own motives - one would hope usually for the betterment of American society.
you can find awesome conversations with Andrew on Julian Dorey podcast, Danny Jones podcast, not just rogans. great guest David.
To me, this was the most fascinating interview that you have ever done.
That’s the dude from the Lex Freedman podcast over a year ago who used his extensive experience in “intelligence” to tell us Russia would roll Ukraine in a couple of weeks.
Most 'experts' thought exactly that.
This was the consensus at the time. People didnt expect russia to be so unprepared and ukraine to come together as a nation in the way it did.
Ukraine IS actually using. Lmao
@@ghstletter5978Using?
Why do you feel like this is a ‘gotcha” ? Everybody thought this at the time, and quite frankly it’s a miracle eastern Ukraine didn’t immediately fall with the advantage russia had on them.
Phenomenal interview! Great questions, David!
He left the tooth with the cianide capsule in it at home for this interview.
I don't understand how he goes around not getting his tooth fixed ESPECIALLY since he's in the public eye (online interviews, etc) Ridiculous
@@PATMCKEON007maybe its in case he gets lockjaw?
He need to go the dentist before coming on podcasts
Maybe the missing tooth is part of his disguise.
Maybe his years of training have made him invulnerable to embarrassment/vanity as it'd cloud his ability to see clearly during an operation.
Excellent interview!
This man has never shown a single shred of evidence of ever being what he claims, and no one pushes back on it
He seems extremely suspect to me.
Hahahaha Compared to all the other retired cia people we've heard from?
Disinformation.
He claims to have commanded one of the 3 minutemen wings of the USAF. The commanders of those wings are public information going back decades, long enough to ensure he was not out of high school. He was not one of them.
He claims to be former covert CIA agent but simply admitting that would be a violation of the Espionage act. That's why actual covert agents don't write books until they have been retired for decades, or like Valerie Plame revealed by someone else.
@@noreenconstantine4612 so close to the point….
I was watching Andrew on Lisa Bilyeu's channel the other day, and really enjoyed his talk. It's great to see him here! 😃
There's a huge difference between "government" and "politics". They are absolutely not the same thing. Most people don't understand that, and that lack of understanding makes the ground fertile for stupidly dangerous ideas like "project 2025."
Whenever you do drastic alterations to an existing large organization you make a bet. There is a risk of turning something largely functional into something completely dysfunctional. Incremental changes are nearly always better. This is why revolutions don't work. You can't just plan/imagine a new organization in the detail that's needed. Will stubborn people listen to this advice? Probably not
Damn didn’t know Russ was in the cia 😆
This was a very interesting interview and David you asked some really good questions that I've also wondered about myself.
Good interview, but I'm still skeptical.
Thank you Andrew! I love learning from you!
I missed the part of the interview where we find out his reasons for joining the CIA and the decision to leave it behind. Every time someone does an interview, unless the interviewee is pitching a book, I wonder what the agenda is. Bustamante said most of the sought after secrets aren't sexy. I was wondering whether his co-workers were boring or if they're all social butterflies. Basically, we all want to know if the job/vocation was ever fun or if it was always feeling like way too much work without much joy.
Didn't he give the reasons why someone would leave the CIA? First point was getting disillusioned by the reality of the job - and people in the comments have made it clear that the agency does make mistakes and this probably is connected to personal mistakes as well - and second point after years your work shifts from working in the field to more and more political games as you rise in the hierarchy which some would like and for some that is the point to quit and look for another job. And for why to join: he described the recruiting process, so indirectly how he joined himself.
I appreciate his opinion as a self admitted conservative, but having met and spoken with thousands of right-wingers, their worldview (in terms of facts) is typically driven by their short-sighted life experiences and their feelings. So it's hard for me to believe him when he says that most come in as liberal but turn conservative after being exposed to real-life situations. That's incredibly hard to believe, but to be fair, that's a right-wingers' point of view.
And yours is a lefty point of view...see how that works.
@spankyssurprise1361 Yes, you're right, but the left wing point of view is a fact based point of view. The right-wing points of view are based on bigotry, feelings, emotions, and indoctrination.
That's why you guys are considered the backward political party.
We look at history to learn from, you all look at history and long to go back.🤔
I'm sure it pays well 😊
Thanks!
19:50 He's playing you. That's not true. It is especially untrue of the subcontractors who make up the vast majority of the IC.
Can you expand on that?
@@andrewn6384 I disagree with his opinion that the IC is full of liberals. Further, what he describes as liberal sounds very ill-informed.
Agree completely. He’s speaking anecdotally as if factually. He does it a lot throughout the conversation. I get the sense here in the comments that too many are just accepting what he says without question.
Can you elaborate on how it’s not filled with liberals and instead conservatives? Or are you speculating too? Or is it just your feeling?
@@seoigh Thank you. I concur.
This makes so much sense, you engage and employe progressives. Who bring on change and new ideas, creating new standards and culture. Who then reach a point where they want to maintain and keep the changes theyve brought on. Which turns them into conservatives. Because to simply put it, conservatives want to keep what they believe works unchanged. Mind blown 🤯
Love the hair Andrew!
I wonder if Andrew knows Tom King? Tom King is currently one of the best writers in comic books. But he’s a retired spy like Andrew. And Tom has talk a little about his former job (not much) but when I met him (Tom) I was wearing a Trump shirt that said” nimrod “ over it Trumps face. It’s a Green Day nimrod anti trump anniversary shirt. And he said “great shirt” just for the comic fans Scott Snyder and Greg loved the shirt as well
This is just 2 coworkers chatting it up.
💯
lol
literal lol
Nah, David is the master and andrew his slave.
Good one 😂
I have seen Andrew on many shows and it never gets boring.
I am increasingly concerned about Mexico's growing authoritarianism. Political candidates for Mexico's June election are being killed. We need a trifecta so Biden and Dems can begin to organize a functioning border.
Update for you from the future: 3 June 2024 - Mexico elected their first female president who is an environmental scientist and former mayor of Mexico City, winning through overwhelming numbers. Perhaps this is the first sign that the vast majority of people in the middle are shifting away from fear or apathy towards engagement; we can hope this spreads all over the world.
Fascinating interview!!! Don’t know how I missed it… thank you, David!
THE MISSING TOOTH LOL 😆
I loved the difference between perception and perspective.
Here are some key takeaways from the video:
- Andrew Bustamante was a former covert CIA officer who worked in the National Clandestine Service (NCS) from 2007-2014. His role was highly secretive - even his family and friends didn't know he worked for the CIA.
- The CIA recruitment and vetting process is extensive, with multiple interviews and psychological evaluations to assess if candidates are suitable for clandestine roles.
- Contrary to popular belief, intelligence "secrets" are often very mundane technical details rather than sexy plot lines like in movies.
- Bustamante believes the intelligence community leans liberal when hiring younger employees, who then often become more conservative/centrist as they gain experience seeing global threats.
- He cautions against overtly politicizing intelligence agencies, arguing they should be nonpartisan and focused solely on protecting national security interests defined by Congress.
- For everyday people, useful spy skills include elicitation (getting information without revealing your intent), gaining perspective beyond your own perceptions, memory techniques, and managing fear/anxiety productively.
- The anxiety management goes beyond therapy techniques by tying it to operational utility - redirecting energy purposefully after calming down.
Amazing interview, David.
Lets have a guy on the show who is maybe the most skilled liar and deciever you could ever imagine. Then believe anything he says..........hmmmmmm.
Andrew: "Trust me, bro."
David: "Absolutely!"
THANK you srsly th
yeah ... my gut says be wary about what this guy says.
If that’s how you guys read this interview, you clearly haven’t watched a lot of the Pak.
@@Unhingedanduninformed I've watched enough to know that if he felt his prior employment claims were even the slightest bit uncertain, he would have introduced him with a modicum of skepticism rather than as a clear matter of fact. How did you read it?
It's been great to watch the Bustamante's and their progress over the years, love it!
This conversation has been absolutely profound in its implications for civic responcibility and political leanings
Fascinating interview!
I'm surprised to see David talking to this guy. Bustamante is not on our side.
lol and you are part of the issue. Don’t want to speak with someone who isn’t on “your side”? Typical liberal
Agreed
That's the problem with people on "your side" . Most only want to hear the echo chamber of your side and silence anyone not on your side which is censorship not freedom .
Not on USA side?
@@mattstrat1 Noticing someone's point of view and their world view and identifying that as being different than ours is not an echo chamber. The current Trumpublican right wing (you?) belongs to a cult that mostly listens to what is essentially American State Media. The right worships a single man above Country, Constitution and Christ. There are bubbles, but that information bubble is so tiny that the most egregious lies possible are accepted as being true without even the slightest bit of critical assessment.
Wow, that was a very interesting interview, hopefully you'll have more like it in the future.
This guy again... isn't he regularly on every podcast? My experience is that those who work in 'clandestine' roles, don't give interviews at all.
You have a lot of "experience" with what?
This guy is no longer in any roles at the CIA ..... or is he? 🤣
Just turning his old job into a social media income.
He retired in 2014 after 7 years. Started his own business teaching and training some of what one needs to know to be in that business,
did he say he currently works in " clandestine' role?
Why bother commenting at all man, you don't have any experience in this
I think less talk more listening would be helpful to you
I enjoy Beyond Skinwalker Ranch. That is the series that Mr. bustamante is currently in.
He clearly said that liberal is more idealogical than conservative, did he not?
Yes he did and I take all of what he said on the subject with a huge grain of salt.
He is very quick to get into subjective territory and people here in the comments are quick to assume he’s speaking objectively.
@NickHolum 100%
He told us he's a right-winger. That already told me to question everything he says. Never trust a right-winger! They lie for fun!🤔
I very much disagree with what Andrew Bustamante states at ~13:30: “as individual citizens, we have the freedoms and rights as granted to us by the U.S. government.” It’s my understanding that this nation was very much founded on the principle that we have GOD-given INALIENABLE rights that are NOT granted by any human authority or institution, including the U.S. government, and that, in fact, this nation was also founded with the expressed intent to LIMIT such government OVER-REACH and abuses of power (ergo the whole reason why we separated from England and fought the Revolutionary War … for our independence and freedom from oppressive authority).
Wait, we've had PROGRESSIVE presidents before? WHEN?!?!?!
We've had right-wing liberals, but no progressives.
FDR was progressive. One could argue Kennedy/LBJ were, since they were both responsible for The Civil Rights Act.
Ummmmmm. Not buying what this fella is hawking.
See what I did there? ;)
Love your show, David. I've been 90% on board with everything you have said & offered.
But you have interviewed a couple people I must say I cannot get on board with.
Thanks though! You're fabulous in ALL the right ways! ❤❤❤😊❤❤❤
❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤I don't believe this guy at all. 1), people who work in clandestine roles rarely go public or want publicity. This guy is on every social media and podcast he can get on. 2), this guy claims his role is so deep: no one can confirm he worked at the agency and he can't talk about the specifics of his job. Rightfully so, how convenient, and great cover for him. Therefore, what he's saying is: I was there, I did this, I did that, JUST BELIEVE ME, AND TAKE MY WORD FOR IT.
David, I love your show, please don't bring this guy on again. Your audience is much more intelligent that this. Thank you.
I have seen a ton of interviews of people that retired as he has fro,m spy roles who are doing interviews now so he was correct when he said that, their topics are mostly about the govern,e t lies about ufo type things
This was a wonderful conversation. Ty
"It's like other gov departments, but more interesting." Later-"Secrets are boring". What's the interesting part then, if not the secrets? The "pressure maintained in the hypersonic missile" is not boring, either. I beg to differ.
This was absolutely top notch. Really gives me a more intelligent overall perspective and appreciation for those committed to our way of life. Even if it's imperfect. We just need to get lobbyists out of our government.
so interesting. thanks for sharing.
My two daughters and I have been harassed and stalked for almost 16 years by two CIA officers that I turned in 2022. They’re not untouchable, yet we still have to suffer their harassment.
This guy sounds like the Jordan Peterson of the spy world. I think I'll pass on this one. 😏
Great questions David!
Really enjoyed this exchange.
Davis Sir , not this guy! grifting his way round every podcast that will pay him!
Why not ,birds of a feather flock together