This scene feels extremely Lovecraftian: the feeling of cosmic horror, that human beings are nothing compared to what’s up there and besides it exists, there’s something we shouldn’t mess with
That´s the thing with Lovecraft´s work, the fear of the unknown, the lack of explanations, this is why i just don´t consider Prometheus as part of the saga.
@@sandmanmho8153 despite it’s flaws, Prometheus (not counting the sequel Covenant) shares a bunch of similarities with Lovecraft’s Mountains of Madness (Elder Gods involved in mankind’s origins, and murderer creatures messing up with researchers)
Fun fact: the backround is always the same wall, and the space jokey's chair is a spinning disk. They made only one wall in this set to reduce costs because Fox wanted it to be a low budget movie. Fox even didn't wanted this scene to be filmed, but the crew convinced the executives that this scene was too important for the plot. Thank god they listened
Yeah that’s why the movie worked, they beautifully nailed that aspect of cosmic horror in such an organic way. Only a few modern movies have reached this kind of elements (my favorite: 2018’s Annihilation)
No it wasn’t. It was set on fire by a religious zealot who believed it to be the work of Satan. Just goes to show how terrifying this thing was even to real people.
I remember seeing Alien first week in the theater in '79 (Gary, Indiana). This scene was shocking. The whole vibe of the movie up until this point was something new and unsettling- the effects, the music, the lighting. We were all drawn in. Seeing the "space jockey" for the first time pushed the creepy meter off the chart. People in the theater literally and audibly gasped with a collective W-T-F. It was like horror/sci fi found an entirely new angle to explore.
I wish I cld experience seeing this scene for the 1st time inthe theaters! Absolutely claustrophobic and creepy. The unknown is the scariest concept for our minds
These scenes in Alien are fantastic: really takes you out of your comfort zone: terrifyingly beautiful. What was done with the idea makes my blood boil
But is the explanation going to make any sense or is it going to be full of holes and amess that just doesnt add up?? It damn well better make sense!!!
Ridley has almost had 3 DECADES, (79' Alien movie to now is 28yrs) to make a story from prequel to Alien 5 and it is still not looking good for a good well written story but we can hope. Of course we know that the next Alien movie will answer a few questions but leave us with 10x more questions.
Nah I think Prometheus ruined the engineer/space jockey. I prefer to think this is the real alien, not a suit or whatever the Prometheus engineer got in to. You can see it's all bone in this scene too. This part of the film was more creative when it came to capturing the 'cosmic horror' feel because the space jockey's design was more unique. The Prometheus engineer's design was underwhelming and just a reskin of a human.
@315katty u r ignoring the fact that humans were made because of the one engineer that sacrificed their self to create humans. So we are reskined as engineers
This deserved to have no official explanation in the subsequent Alien movies. The mystery of it is much cooler when we could just use our imagination of what it was.
now there is the infantile need for everything to be explained right to the nth degree which seems to me to be totally against the spirit of film-making.
Seeing how they ruined the lore and completely destroyed the mystery, I agree. I really did not imagine in a million years that Ridley Scott of all people would take such an iconic character and turn it into a bald dude in a spacesuit. I'm glad there's Alien: Isolation so the Alien trilogy is now complete and has a good final chapter. EDIT: And before some hard core fans reply with the "that space engineer is a different species!!" theory, I don't care. Imo, they were supposed to be the same character but clearly the execution sucked and so they came up with the lousy backstory how there's a hierarchy of space engineers
Not at all because there was plenty of comics even before Prometheus that answered what the space jokey even is because fans wanted to know what it was. People aren’t against answers in the films, people are against BAD answers for questions in any media. The mystery would eventually be undiscovered and be fleshed out eventually so no point crying about it now.
huge mysterious looking creature discovered to have died from something bursting out of its chest. what could possibly do this and how did it happen? gives you a very ominous feeling about what happened. this is 1 of the reasons why the original is far better than the rest. I never got this spooky ominous feeling from the other alien movies
DALLAS' ASSESSMENT: "The bones are bent outward... Like it exploded from inside..." LAMBERT'S ASSESSMENT: "Let's get the hell out of here!" BEST ASSESSMENT CONCLUSION: LAMBERT'S
odiemodie1 yeah, she probably was the one (maybe the only one), who had that 'gut feeling' that all of this is just one, big mistake... "IT'S A TRAP!" Lol...
WAIT OMG DUDE I remember you from that sad AoT video 3 years ago!! I swear I saw you in another comment section on a separate video and was like "Nah it can't be" but now you're here in this one and I finally checked the AoT comment section and BAM there you were lmao
@@mr.hannes2057 Dude you were on the exact same videos comment section for the AoT song for the Season 2 finale. I just hopped on my computer and felt like watching Alien stuff and holyshit what a coincidence I recognize two internet strangers from a video 3 years ago.
Remember when Alien was misterious, when it gave you this feeling of a much bigger picture we were yet to understand? But now we know better don't we?, everything was created by a resentful, vengeful robot dude. Thanks Riddley!
I personally see those prequels as something apart. They strongly lack continuity with the original movies, which had no lame ''engeneer'' background behind them.
@@capscaps04 You didn't get it. Yes, the ''space jockey'' (now called Engeneer) was there in the first alien movie, but it wasn't this creator of humans and xenomorphs bullshit; it was conceived as what it was: a mysterious alien creature, who was transporting a bunch of xenomorph eggs for reasons unknown and ended up killed by one of them, crashing on that desert planet. You see, it was only now with those prequels that Ridley decided to come up with this 'engeneer' crap, on a desperate attempt to sound 'deep' and 'meaningful'.
That's not the scary part, it's when you think about what could have possibly taken it out with the only clue being that the bones on its chests are bent outwards?
I always thought that what the space jockey was controlling was a giant cannon and he was defending the ship from an outbreak of the xenomorphs but he failed.
Or transporting the xenomorphs somewhere, and the ship is overtaken. the space jockey scuttles the ship, and sends a distress signal out that will never be received.
My imagination ran wild when I saw this years ago... a mystery of an unknown creature... hauntingly beautiful and at the same time the background music made all the more mysterious.
Once you learn those where Ridley Scott's kids in small suits so the scenery would seem larger you can't unsee how their movements are actually childlike.
@@salimel4835 They used child actors here so everything would look much larger, it saved them time and money building it smaller, their clumsiness adds to the overall feeling of unease and people being in a place they shouldn't
When I first saw this, I thought it was a medical room and the telescope like device was an actual laser, trying to kill the Xenomorph inside the Space Jockey. Sadly, it was far too late.
This scene is still much better than most CGI Crapfests made today. There's hardly any suspense in modern sci-fi these days. This is what superb direction looks like.
YOUR RIGHT! We should get the director of the original Alien movie to direct the Alien prequels. He would do a much better job at making a good, suspenseful sci-fi movie than this crap director we have now making the prequels. Who is the director from the first Alien movie? WHAT?! The same guy that directed both the prequel Alien movies? Never mind.
You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become a villain. I Sorta agree with this but hey what can we do now? I already joined the new trilogy army.
I don't care what the haters of today say... I love old school tech... Alien is the one of the finest examples in that ancient practice in film making... ;)
This looks organic, like a skeleton and flesh, rather than the big albino guy in a metallic suit you've been beaten over the head with in the prequels. If you're supposed to believe the two are the same Ridley gets a big FAIL on this one.
They scary I thought aliens were supposed to be human friend in suits not like dinosaur skeleton and with snapping pincers how tall is the alien mother anyway and how much engineering weight in pounds and if she is full of acid no wonder she lays all those eggs for her pesky children to attack humans I don’t think she was born of birth unlike the predator.
it would've been (in my eyes) so much more horrifying knowing these elephantine looking creatures had created the xenomorphs themselves. i would have preferred movies about that instead of david (although david is interesting buuuuut still) BUT THAT'S JUST ME
Now, THAT'S an alien. A unique spinal structure that runs down the front rather than the back, nothing like anything one Earth. I wanted to see what it looked like alive for decades after the 1st movie. Then Prometheus had to ruin it all by re-vamping the so-weird mummified skeleton into a protective flight suit of sorts for a near-human-looking alien. What a let-down that was.
I dont know why its nose is connected to his ribs. The comic book lore is very confusing. He could be forced to sit there. He could be in charge, could use that thing as a telescope or a weapon, dunno.
I have heard he was grown to be in that chair, and there is a comic picture of him as a big fat man with a pink elephant trunk going to the ribs, like he never moved.
kaleb prinze not everyone will be an apologist and see the film that way. Also, I stand by my assertion that they fucked up the dimensions of the space jockey.
The set design, and artistry involved in designing the space jockey and his seat is simply breathtaking. They wouldn't do this today; they would just CGI it. Looking at this video clip transports my mind to a wondrous place of dreams.
Man this scene, even with the poor video quality, still gives me more creeps than Alien Covenant. I mean the new movie is just okay, I don't hate it and there were some good scenes. But almost ever scene with an alien murdering someone was boring. Only genuinely scary thought was an airborne infection virus and that was under used.
@MateoPep hello anyway there are two sci-fi horror movies that are my favorite Alien (1979) directed by Ridley Scott and The Thing (1982) directed by John Carpenter and I consider both of them the perfect horror movies ever created as well:).
I don't think I've been more disappointed the mysterious being in Alien (often called Space Jockey) being explained with just a large humanoid in a suit since George Lucas had the "bright" idea it was Darth Vader/Anakin Skywalker who made C3PO - as a 9 year old kid no less!
As if it couldn't get worse he then has the Xenomorphs created just a few years prior to the events of Alien by an evil robot as the product of his supervillain plot to destroy the world.
In the comics there's different types the ones in prometheus are military while this one was science oriented if I remember right. they're biologically the same species but have different structures to serve different purposes
this is why I called bullshit on Ridley's 'Prometheus' where the explanation on the space-jockey was an 'engineer' wearing a suit of some kind, when clearly this being was reduced to skeletal remains, there's no suit on it, where the chest-burster came out it's clearly bone, I don't know what Scott was thinking but he fcuked-up royally with that explanation in Prometheus.... this is one of those times were, the question is far more interesting than the answer and the 'space jockey' mystique was totally and completely ruined! STUPIDLY SO!
@@brucechamberlin2545 go ahead and tell me I'm wrong with EVIDENCE I gave you the obvious---from his own film--go ahead genius, refute my argument...you've got nothing, but regardless...TRY LOL
For the storyline's sake, and keeping them bewildered but rather chilled, we get to absorb the scene and what is going on... In real Life, YEAH, I WOULD BE FREAKIN' IN MY PANTS BIG TIME IN SEEING ALL OF THIS. Having that would detract us from observing the entire scene and horrors to came. Lambert's over cautious fear was enough to balance it.
They are flying some old ass space tug across the Milky Way. And bitching how coffee is only good thing in that tug. Of course they don´t react some long dead ET same way as we would. We would be awed by old ass space tug flying across the Milky Way. Even flying to Moon nowdays is more sci-fi than realistic thing
The music...the lighting...the words from Dallas...H.R. Giger art design...the set that they built for this...BRILLIANT...VERY REALISTIC...VERY SPOOKY...THIS COULD BE MY FAVORITE SCENE IN THE HISTORY OF FILM...CERTAINLY THE SET THEY BUILT...MAGNIFICENT...
At 0:19 There was an unused cue of music which used low horns instead of the flute; for me at least, that cue really brought home the fact that this was an actual alien lifeform with some kind of culture we humans could barely conceive. It also served as a type of funeral dirge for our main characters, because once they find this guy, they are pretty much doomed. I have to agree with the others who dislike the direction Ridley took with this species. Its the fact that we knew so little about them, that they were a "lost species" that made them so intriguing. By the way, you cut it right before the best part, when the camera zooms in on that glassy, staring eye....as if even in death its trying to warn them to get the fuck out.
Trestan Emperor i know! isnt it wonderful! i remember the sense of wonder and the feeling of awe i had in the mystery wrapoed in an enigma shrouded in secrecy! its.... a suit!!!!!! my vivid imagination that i was forced to use with the brilliant a picture tells a 1000 words in action could never have foreseen the brilliance in that it was a magnificent suit! yay!
When you look at the measurements of this Engineer, his arm is longer than that of the explorer, but in Prometheus he's much smaller. Would have been more interesting and scarier in Prometheus if this guy and his size dimensions stood up from that sleep chamber to greet the Prometheus crew.
i totally disagree with what Ridley is doing. Its basically destroying 30 plus years of books, stories, comics etc. that people have accepted as the "Alien universe", just to say "the bad robot did it". Its why Covenant isnt doing that great..Ridley is acting like a real life David, trying to destroy to create and its not being well received because people HAVE seen and read those stories and theres no way to just forget them..
That is a good point, it really has raised a lot of concern with the true fans. i believe in the end it will all come full circle and make seance in the end i hope lol
Look at the size of that thing. There's no way an 'engineer' would fit inside that suit. It's even got teeth ffs! To be honest, they should've explored the xeno more instead of the engineers. There's infinite things you can do with them as they're so mysterious.
The true story is this: The jockey (there was just 1) lived with the aliens in synthesis as "One Single Life Form" some millions of years ago. Also the ship itself consisted of aliens and their different variations, but the jockey controlled the ship by his mind. One day the aliens converted against their master and killed him.
Why are they not surprised by the discovery of this? Has other life already been discovered by humans in this universe and that's why they're more scientific and nonchalant about it rather than shocked or excited?
One of the things that would help understand the entire back story of the Alien movie has to do with the unique amalgamation of top notch teams who created this franchise initially. The strongest element by far was the story, and the script which was honed and reshaped (although trimmed very thin in the end due to budget and time). It excelles as a Sci-Fi, and creatively impregrantes (pardon the pun) intense horror sporadically. But, leaving long enough periods of suspense and wonder that keeps pulling you in. You just have no idea what's around the corner. Beautifully crafted, directed, acted and envisioned. The writing process had taken about 2 years if not more (prior to the movie) by Dan O'Banon et al by the time the studio finally allowed the final cut. Another point I'd like to share if you would not mind, is the fact that this movie is saturated with all sorts of lore from various fields and social issues, most notably the corporate structure and materialsim. I enjoyed the documentary I am linking here below so much as it really goes inot the guts of the movie and gives us a wider perspective. It is really an education in an entertaining way, and clearly highlights so much about the difference in attitudes we now have as opposed to movie goers in the late 70s. Alien today is a classic and it has aged extremely well, far better than most of its contemporary hits, imho. That's quality! The documentary is called Memory: The Origin of Alien www.documentaryarea.com/video/Memory:+The+Origins+of+Alien/
Its not an engineer. The engineer creation was a fix, the SJ was designed in one piece: no helmet...thats its head. Completely fused with machine in a biomechanical way. The SJ and engineer are or were two seperate entities, later merged idiologically to serve as story continuity. The SJ was used by ridley as a wow factor: contextualised within GEIGERS world....a stand a lone item. The engineer context was an after thought, therefore didn't match the SJ dimension wise etc.
Production members used to call it "the engineer" during the development of the film. So yeah, it's an engineer and the precuels just shoved all the design and the mistery where the sun never shines.
@@puchopucho7790 "Production members used to call it "the engineer" during the development of the film." You misinterpreted it, they called it "the engineer" not an "engineer" because it was fused with the ship and had a symbiosis with the ship and piloted it until it was facehugged and killed by a Chestburster. The Space Jockey was 18 feet as the Engineers were 8 feet. There are huge differences between the Engineers and Space Jockeys.
@Robb H "Wrong, he's an engineer wearing a bio suit as by Ridley". Ridley never said full on that it was an Engineer, no one at the time of the film's release said it was an Engineer but they called it "Space Jockey" because of its appearance and supposed function. You see: The Space Jockey was symbiotically attached to the ship and so was one with the ship. Haven't you noticed the ship from Prometheus has differences in texture and architecture? That's because the Engineers mimicked the Space Jockey's technology just like humans wanted to mimic the Engineers technology. There was never doubt that the Space Jockey and Engineers were both different in the way they looked and functioned. Also, the Engineers averaged at 8 feet whereas this Space Jockey was far larger at 18 feet. The Engineers and Space Jockeys both have huge differences between each other.
@Robb H "The creator of the series has gone on record explaining this many time." They haven't, I've even seen and heard their explanations. "The sizes were scaled down because it was impractical for shooting and originally this story line was not intended." Wrong, they never said that. Haven't you noticed that they have the habit of just abruptly changing things around? They aren't even good at doing a series, which is why the Engineers and Space Jockey actually aren't one and the same. "Typical hollywood stuff." You misinterpreted everything judging from your comments.
@Robb H "Lmao sorry buddy you're completely wrong." No I ain't, sorry bud but you let Ridley mess with your mind=D "Look it up, Ridley specifically talks about scaling down the size from the old movie, he talks about creating prometheus from that scene in the old movie and that this was an engineer." You do know that Ridley loves to mess with people's minds about Alien, right? It seems as though you've fallen for his mind tricks whereas I was a lot more observant than he thought. "He then goes on to explain about the suit." Once again, the Space Jockey was fused to the seat, whereas the Engineer wasn't which proves you wrong. The suit of the Space Jockey was part of its body whereas it wasn't on the Engineer. Haven't you noticed how long the arms of the Soace Jockey were compared to its body? Whereas the Engineers was completely normal compared to a normal human's, which proves you wrong. Another thing is the head shape, you can see a mummified tongue and eye sockets whereas you don't see the tongue or eye sockets of the Engineers because they have a more human like appearance whereas the Space Jockeys had a more elephantine look. The chest was connected to the helmet and it turns out that the Derelict in Alien was more of a natural look than that of the Derelict in Prometheus which means that Ridley said what he did to try and mess with our minds and to try and make us all think the two are one in the same when in truth of reality, there are major differences between the two.
That is in my mind probably what they'd look like,in a way, being similar and recognizable as a pilot with eyes in it's skeleton,but at the same time totally different than anything we've seen before
I'm always seemed to me that in this creepy and mysterious scene there is a parallel with the crew of Nostromo. The fact is that in original script of O'Bannon and Shusset, Space Jockeys, drifting through the galaxy, once discovered abandoned remains of an ancient and unknown civilization in LV-426. Investigations inside the pyramids and archaeological structures were supposed to lead aliens to a chamber with egg, which would soon open up and infect one of Jockeys, after which they would all return back in derelict. What happened next remains a question, because script was rewritten, and huge humanoid alien became only a decoration dark architecture of Giger's derelict. But if we build theories, then most likely Jockeys suffered the same fate as the Nostromo crew. They decided to get out of planet, but an alien life form ripped the chest of infected Jockey, and then Xenomorph that got free began to terrorize the entire derelict, one by one killing and turning Jockeys into eggs during eggmorphing. This could explain biomechanical design of Xenomorph, since Xenomorphs and Jockeys are very similar in appearance. And perhaps one of surviving Jockeys would have had time to send a warning signal about an aggressive and dangerous organism, but it was too late
To all you idiots saying "no, Engineers and The Space Jockey are two different species, it'll be explained in later movies" ......in the original Prometheus script (Alien: Engineers) THE ENGINEERS were the creators of the Xenomorphs (no black goo involved). But no, wait, now it's David. You guys act like Ridley Scott has some grand vision of were these movies will eventually lead, when in fact, he's just making shit up as he goes along. STop encouraging his sloppy story-telling. He didn't even want Alien: Covenant to be an Xenomorph movie until he saw the social media reaction to Blomkamp's Alien 5.
The reasons behind this crash are not known. However, the ship was carrying a large cargo of Xenomorph Eggs, and at or around time of the crash the Pilot was impregnated with a Chestburster; it is possible this event played some role in the crash itself. The Pilot later activated a warning beacon in an attempt to prevent anyone else
I enjoy Prometheus, just as a big budget goof, but my canon stays and ends with the original Alien. The space jockey is still this mysterious elephantine creature that's just one random example of our limited view of the universe. In my mind, the space jockey is a race that is sorta like us: they don't have any of the answers, and they're just doing their thing and they happened to come across a deadly alien species.
Exactly just like I love to pretend the Lost clan from Predator 2 had the ability to time travel and that’s how they had that alien skull in their trophy room that’s why they are called the Lost Tribe Lost in space and time
@UltraBrian-e2q just because its officially canon, doesn't make it good... I've seen your comments throughout this thread, do you really like what has happened to the series?
@@JobForAMaxboy I liked what happened in the series, I mean it’s not perfect, but it’s still great of what happened to the series. You’re right, it’s not good because it’s great! It’s canon because it’s great.
They could’ve made the jockey a space trucker who was killed by his own cargo, to create a parallel with the Nostromo crew, and that would’ve been a much better backstory than what we got.
This 3/4-scale movie prop was destroyed at the movie primere (someone with a cigarette)... the sectional walls were re-positioned for the shots (to give the impression of a large circular chamber....) ... and children were dressed in 3/4 scale suits to give a feel of "size"... (and these same wall sections were used in the egg-chamber as well)...
Whole set was a big gamble because they built it way bigger than budget allowed to do. Then one day, producers visited the set and where in shock and mad as hell. Glad Alien became a hit movie Then on the other side you have Alien 3 (whole furnace room was build from scrap) set and movie bombed in box office
SethTheProphet I REALLY hate it when people want answers to a mystery but then complain about it and blame it on the director, when THEY WANTED ANSWERS!!!!!!!!!LIKE WHAT DO PEOPLE WANT?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
+ SethTheProphet I have ideas that give answers to the mysteries of the Alien, and it's connection to the Engineers and what the Engineers were trying to do with humans until they gave up and decided to wipe mankind out.
Actual canonical answers, not shit whipped together last minute. The Space Jockey was MASSIVE, at least twice the size of the engineer. It had bones, and clearly had eyes and a mouth. Why bullshit us?
The engineer had so so much to it, until they kinda dumbed it down. There was so much power to just seeing the dead one in this scene that the newer ones seem almost unrelated. Its feels like this engineer is creepy yet powerful while the new one feel flat and lackluster. Im just glad the xenos stayed the same
I hate the way every 70-80 movies are over-mythologised nowadays Why Alien was so great? Because it was simple: dudes meet some really nasty alien, try to survive all fail but one: GREAT Why Prometheurs and Convenant Sucks: they try to explain every freaking detail no one really asks back then Exactly same shit for Star wars: A farmer and an old man try to save a princess, meet and defeat a bad guy: simple efficient... GREAT Prequel-sequel-wankquel: they try to explain every single detail no one back then really asks: sucks Turns out the "fans" and their theory fights begging for answers ruins franchises I swear that If someday they try to make a movie to explain How Doc met Marty, I'm going to get really mad
WAIT HOLD THE FUCK UP. You complain about 70-80s movies to be over mythologicalized when Prometheus and covenant showers in that, ALSO how Prometheus and Covenant were hated for the plotholes and lack of explanation so you got it ALL wrong and mixed up. Also Alien is not a simple film, there is alot of running themes and a story that backs up from it.
Can't agree with you Kiliny. The same cliche won't work on the same audience again, the same scary shit won't be scary enough to the same original alien movie. Exploring details gives authors more chances and time to find out new scary shit for you.
This looks so good that it looks like it came from a much later year than 1979. I remember seeing this movie as a kid on HBO in the early 90's. The architecture alone creeped the hell out of me. The fact that this mummified alien corpse had a burt open chest made me even more uncomfortable, as it is not just humans the Xenomorphs prey on, but also other far more advanced alien people; whom I would think could combat or defend from the Xenomorphs easily with their far superior technology.
Question for anyone familiar with the Alien universe... Were people already familiar with the engineer species? It seems odd to me that none of the people in the crew were surprised to see the corpse of a giant 15' tall humanoid that was piloting a ship.
dreadtan I think David will somehow use that black goo unto himself causing him to morph into a chair since he is a robot and then morph into this giant freak eventually since David is so obsessed in perfecting the xenomorph he will put one inside him causing the very first Biomechanical Xenomorph just like in the original movie
dreadtan David will put one more Xenomorph inside of him as a last attempt to preserve his creation and maybe the end scene will be the alien queen bursting out of david and those 2000 eggs are probably the 2000 colonist
I really like how they focus on the Space Jockeys face, first illuminated then going back to the eternal darkness of a dead ship. I always found it sad.
Very interesting theory and I know we speak different languages but I know they aren’t doctors or medical experts but they really should have been armed if something exploded out of a being 😂which is not normal
@@johncarter579 And The Thing (1982) directed by John Carpenter it doesn't need a sequel and it never will it deserves to be in a class by itself as one of the greatest sci-fi horror movies ever created as well:).
Why is everyone complaining about the engeneers? I personally liked the Prometheus movie. I hadn't watched Alien since I was a kid and forgot they showed the engeneer in it. When I watched Alien again I understood what it was.
The whole beauty & horror of this scene was not knowing what it was. Prometheus then went and told us it was basically a big human in a suit. Utterly disappointing revelation, the same as the revelation that the Xenomorphs are essentially an accidental creation, as opposed to some naturally evolved ALIEN species. I don't understand this modern mentality of having to have everything in films explained away. We don't know everything about the universe, and films should reflect that fact.
The Prometheus engineers were massive too, there is a scene in covenant where the characters comment on their size when they entered the cavern and saw the statues of em, they looked at least 10ft tall. Now, the space jockey engineer seems to be a different race that is probably double the size of the Prometheus engineers and probably are their creators.
Thats a face hugger attached to its face, I know they say its part of its suit but it clearly looks like a dead hugger on its face and they decided to retcon the suit after. I've always said this to my fellow alien nerds.
Prometheus and Covenant should never have happened. The mysteries should've stayed as mysteries. Ridley screwed up yet he was one of those people who made the Alien franchise possible. Shame.
Nah, Prometheus should've still happened IMO. However, it should've been way different than what we got. I agree though that Covenant was a mistake. Ridley Scott lost his goddamn mind.
I really like Prometheus but this would be so much cooler if the space jockey actually had an elephant face. Those comics from the '90's had some sweet storylines.
The novel adaptation of Covenant is implisit that David just re-creat something that already existed and also created some variants, shuch as the Neomorph and the Deacon. We know this because there were a pretificated/fossilised egg in the Engineer's Homeworld (Paradise) and also an ancient statu of a CLASSIC XENOMORPH, with all of it, David said that he was trying use it as model for his experiments trying to re-creat them, also there are even more things that Ridley Scott didn't use (and should) add to the movie. Why? i don't know nigga, i just think he is senil and very old, also FOX didn't help to much
Thing for me....i always thought it was an alien being manning a gun turret ...secondly the creature is way bigger in this than the engineers in prometheus etc ..
Maybe some of the size change has to do with story telling. when the engineer fights the cool squid alien in Miss Vickers pod at the end of Prometheus he had to physically be able to get into the pod. Maybe they just thought the original sized dudes were too big?
that whole size thing to do with him inside the medpod, was Ridley and the crew messing up the size comparisson, cause hes really tall when hes standing up alongside the humans when hes awoken from hyper-sleep. The size thing in general purely comes from the fact the Engineer has fossilized inside his organic "chair-suit". The engineer's technology is purely "biomechanoid". His suit is like bone and is organic. Look at the inside of the Engineer's helmet when it closes arnd him, look at his general size when hes sitting in his chair, hes does not fill that chair. Over time, he has fossilized because the odd mix of synthetic and organic tissue fused.
This being with an unknown alien wrapped around it absolutely looks like what the crew will soon see with one of there own crew members. And they could see that something had exploded out of its chest. So in my opinion nothing that happened soon after should’ve been a surprise and they should’ve anticipated it.
shit but what if there is a way to save this somehow. The space jockey DID exist but died (somehow) and is like a defacto leader for the engineers. There may be more than one giant one and the smaller engineers are the "workers" of the bigger space jockeys, even modeling their creations off their own structure, the queen alien and the workers. its a possible theory
I have an idea that connects everything and could save this franchise, Ive even tried to post my story to Ridley Scott himself, but obviously he wont bother with fan-mail, thinking its all the same, and mostly attacks on him for how hes done his Alien prequels. I can see where he is going with it, its actually amazing that not one person on here, or any other videos has worked it out.
People will bang on about Carpenter's The Thing being superior in terms of It's 'cosmic horror' but nothing is more 'alien' than this. It's Giger's feverish nightmare unleashed and it's terrifying.
This scene feels extremely Lovecraftian: the feeling of cosmic horror, that human beings are nothing compared to what’s up there and besides it exists, there’s something we shouldn’t mess with
I agree...who knows what we will find out there if and when we do leave our house.
That´s the thing with Lovecraft´s work, the fear of the unknown, the lack of explanations, this is why i just don´t consider Prometheus as part of the saga.
@@sandmanmho8153 despite it’s flaws, Prometheus (not counting the sequel Covenant) shares a bunch of similarities with Lovecraft’s Mountains of Madness (Elder Gods involved in mankind’s origins, and murderer creatures messing up with researchers)
Original
It's kind of a shame this element was fizzled out in the other movies.
Fun fact: the backround is always the same wall, and the space jokey's chair is a spinning disk. They made only one wall in this set to reduce costs because Fox wanted it to be a low budget movie. Fox even didn't wanted this scene to be filmed, but the crew convinced the executives that this scene was too important for the plot. Thank god they listened
They also used children dressed as astronauts to make it look more bigger
They then went on to f**K up Prometheus with the deleted scenes
And sadly after they used this set it was cut to pieces and thrown away. Some of the crew members understandably felt really bad about this.
Yeah that’s why the movie worked, they beautifully nailed that aspect of cosmic horror in such an organic way. Only a few modern movies have reached this kind of elements (my favorite: 2018’s Annihilation)
No it wasn’t.
It was set on fire by a religious zealot who believed it to be the work of Satan.
Just goes to show how terrifying this thing was even to real people.
One of the most mysterious, horrifying, and unique creatures teased in a beloved franchise, reduced to being an albino basketball player.
I like to pretend those films don’t exist
TheRubberStudiosASMR really? I rather liked Prometheus and covenant
Space Jockey predates the Engineers. Probably they are the ones who created the Engineers.
Are those albino things the same? These engineers are way bigger and imposing
Dr.perspectiveX yeah they’re two branches of the same species
I remember seeing Alien first week in the theater in '79 (Gary, Indiana). This scene was shocking. The whole vibe of the movie up until this point was something new and unsettling- the effects, the music, the lighting. We were all drawn in. Seeing the "space jockey" for the first time pushed the creepy meter off the chart. People in the theater literally and audibly gasped with a collective W-T-F. It was like horror/sci fi found an entirely new angle to explore.
I wish I cld experience seeing this scene for the 1st time inthe theaters! Absolutely claustrophobic and creepy. The unknown is the scariest concept for our minds
Gary, Indiana??? sh man, i heard about that place.
I’m from Gary too but I didn’t see Alien in theater
These scenes in Alien are fantastic: really takes you out of your comfort zone: terrifyingly beautiful. What was done with the idea makes my blood boil
I hear ya, i am banking on them explaining it in the future i hope lol
But is the explanation going to make any sense or is it going to be full of holes and amess that just doesnt add up?? It damn well better make sense!!!
THANK YOU! We need to delete Prometheus and Covenant from canon and make these space jockeys back into alien beings with elephant-like trunks again!
Ridley has almost had 3 DECADES, (79' Alien movie to now is 28yrs) to make a story from prequel to Alien 5 and it is still not looking good for a good well written story but we can hope. Of course we know that the next Alien movie will answer a few questions but leave us with 10x more questions.
Goliath sparrow yep
The mystery of the space elephant alien turned out to be an albino alienbodybuilder.
Nah I think Prometheus ruined the engineer/space jockey. I prefer to think this is the real alien, not a suit or whatever the Prometheus engineer got in to. You can see it's all bone in this scene too. This part of the film was more creative when it came to capturing the 'cosmic horror' feel because the space jockey's design was more unique. The Prometheus engineer's design was underwhelming and just a reskin of a human.
@315katty u r ignoring the fact that humans were made because of the one engineer that sacrificed their self to create humans. So we are reskined as engineers
Prometheus and Covenant are not canon.
@@EdmundLohYes they are. Stop living in denial
@@Rushman666 No they are not.
This deserved to have no official explanation in the subsequent Alien movies. The mystery of it is much cooler when we could just use our imagination of what it was.
now there is the infantile need for everything to be explained right to the nth degree which seems to me to be totally against the spirit of film-making.
True
Seeing how they ruined the lore and completely destroyed the mystery, I agree. I really did not imagine in a million years that Ridley Scott of all people would take such an iconic character and turn it into a bald dude in a spacesuit. I'm glad there's Alien: Isolation so the Alien trilogy is now complete and has a good final chapter.
EDIT: And before some hard core fans reply with the "that space engineer is a different species!!" theory, I don't care. Imo, they were supposed to be the same character but clearly the execution sucked and so they came up with the lousy backstory how there's a hierarchy of space engineers
Not at all because there was plenty of comics even before Prometheus that answered what the space jokey even is because fans wanted to know what it was. People aren’t against answers in the films, people are against BAD answers for questions in any media.
The mystery would eventually be undiscovered and be fleshed out eventually so no point crying about it now.
Thank you!!!... finally someone said it
huge mysterious looking creature discovered to have died from something bursting out of its chest. what could possibly do this and how did it happen? gives you a very ominous feeling about what happened. this is 1 of the reasons why the original is far better than the rest. I never got this spooky ominous feeling from the other alien movies
By removing the unknown, the alien universe just got smaller. It is a typical franchise problem: taking away by adding stuff.
One, not 1.
DALLAS' ASSESSMENT: "The bones are bent outward... Like it exploded from inside..."
LAMBERT'S ASSESSMENT: "Let's get the hell out of here!"
BEST ASSESSMENT CONCLUSION: LAMBERT'S
odiemodie1 yeah, she probably was the one (maybe the only one), who had that 'gut feeling' that all of this is just one, big mistake...
"IT'S A TRAP!" Lol...
@@mr.hannes2057 Admiral Ackbar is that you?
WAIT OMG DUDE I remember you from that sad AoT video 3 years ago!! I swear I saw you in another comment section on a separate video and was like "Nah it can't be" but now you're here in this one and I finally checked the AoT comment section and BAM there you were lmao
@@mr.hannes2057 Dude you were on the exact same videos comment section for the AoT song for the Season 2 finale. I just hopped on my computer and felt like watching Alien stuff and holyshit what a coincidence I recognize two internet strangers from a video 3 years ago.
Alien bust out of its chest
Remember when Alien was misterious, when it gave you this feeling of a much bigger picture we were yet to understand? But now we know better don't we?, everything was created by a resentful, vengeful robot dude. Thanks Riddley!
Remember when people whined 35 years how nobody ain´t making a movie about space jockey nor derelict ship? Thanks whiners!
You either make an outstanding, powerful exclamation of an already one of a kind story, or let the mystery be as it should be... A mystery...
I personally see those prequels as something apart. They strongly lack continuity with the original movies, which had no lame ''engeneer'' background behind them.
@@yurilouback6331 "No lame engeneer behind them.
Are you sure about that?
You sould rewatch the beggining of the first alien movie then.
@@capscaps04 You didn't get it. Yes, the ''space jockey'' (now called Engeneer) was there in the first alien movie, but it wasn't this creator of humans and xenomorphs bullshit; it was conceived as what it was: a mysterious alien creature, who was transporting a bunch of xenomorph eggs for reasons unknown and ended up killed by one of them, crashing on that desert planet.
You see, it was only now with those prequels that Ridley decided to come up with this 'engeneer' crap, on a desperate attempt to sound 'deep' and 'meaningful'.
imo the scariest moment of the film. The sight of dead alien life immediately fills you with dread
That's not the scary part, it's when you think about what could have possibly taken it out with the only clue being that the bones on its chests are bent outwards?
I always thought that what the space jockey was controlling was a giant cannon and he was defending the ship from an outbreak of the xenomorphs but he failed.
it does look like some kind of weapon
You mean firing a cannon from inside a ship?
I always assumed he was the pilot, & the thing he was facing was some sort of navigational device like a periscope sort of thing.
Or transporting the xenomorphs somewhere, and the ship is overtaken.
the space jockey scuttles the ship, and sends a distress signal out that will never be received.
c0l1n_M4 does make one wonder whatever happened to that or those Xenomorphs that attacked him...
My imagination ran wild when I saw this years ago... a mystery of an unknown creature... hauntingly beautiful and at the same time the background music made all the more mysterious.
Once you learn those where Ridley Scott's kids in small suits so the scenery would seem larger you can't unsee how their movements are actually childlike.
Wait , what?
@@salimel4835 They used child actors here so everything would look much larger, it saved them time and money building it smaller, their clumsiness adds to the overall feeling of unease and people being in a place they shouldn't
Same with the external shots of the nostromo after they land and go outside
@@Hagmire2plus the gravity is probably a little different
When I first saw this, I thought it was a medical room and the telescope like device was an actual laser, trying to kill the Xenomorph inside the Space Jockey. Sadly, it was far too late.
DEMIAN Zarnoski cool thought
I like that idea to be honest.
interesting theory. That's the beauty of it... the scene leaves us to speculate many things
What?
Never thought about it that way, it makes sense
One of the very few truly interesting aliens I've ever seen.
Dallas touched his bones in this scene, not some damn elephant armor. His whole fossilized skeleton is exposed.
This scene is still much better than most CGI Crapfests made today. There's hardly any suspense in modern sci-fi these days. This is what superb direction looks like.
YOUR RIGHT! We should get the director of the original Alien movie to direct the Alien prequels. He would do a much better job at making a good, suspenseful sci-fi movie than this crap director we have now making the prequels. Who is the director from the first Alien movie? WHAT?! The same guy that directed both the prequel Alien movies? Never mind.
You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become a villain.
I Sorta agree with this but hey what can we do now? I already joined the new trilogy army.
Eh, it's alright.
Mike Emerson you think thats bad? you should see ratatoing...
I don't care what the haters of today say... I love old school tech... Alien is the one of the finest examples in that ancient practice in film making... ;)
This looks organic, like a skeleton and flesh, rather than the big albino guy in a metallic suit you've been beaten over the head with in the prequels. If you're supposed to believe the two are the same Ridley gets a big FAIL on this one.
Very true it looks like a exoskeleton.
They scary I thought aliens were supposed to be human friend in suits not like dinosaur skeleton and with snapping pincers how tall is the alien mother anyway and how much engineering weight in pounds and if she is full of acid no wonder she lays all those eggs for her pesky children to attack humans I don’t think she was born of birth unlike the predator.
In the the sumerian tablets it looks like a breathing apparatus, they made it look more organic in the movie
it would've been (in my eyes) so much more horrifying knowing these elephantine looking creatures had created the xenomorphs themselves. i would have preferred movies about that instead of david (although david is interesting buuuuut still) BUT THAT'S JUST ME
It's a bio suit made by organic materials
Now, THAT'S an alien. A unique spinal structure that runs down the front rather than the back, nothing like anything one Earth. I wanted to see what it looked like alive for decades after the 1st movie.
Then Prometheus had to ruin it all by re-vamping the so-weird mummified skeleton into a protective flight suit of sorts for a near-human-looking alien. What a let-down that was.
I dont know why its nose is connected to his ribs. The comic book lore is very confusing. He could be forced to sit there. He could be in charge, could use that thing as a telescope or a weapon, dunno.
I have heard he was grown to be in that chair, and there is a comic picture of him as a big fat man with a pink elephant trunk going to the ribs, like he never moved.
Prometheus never ruined anything, it perfectly explained the backstory of space jockey
Alien feels like one of those franchises that should only go forward and keep the origin a mystery.
Prometheus got the proportions of the Space Jockey all wrong.
He would have been 15 feet tall plus, not 8 feet.
They screwed up Giger's art.
Dumb
kaleb prinze not everyone will be an apologist and see the film that way. Also, I stand by my assertion that they fucked up the dimensions of the space jockey.
mfriedrich2012 yeah it looks kind of.. exactly the same.
MUTHUR says engineers are like 10ft+
plot twist. It's been cut in half
mfriedrich2012 engineer and space jockey two different species.
The set design, and artistry involved in designing the space jockey and his seat is simply breathtaking. They wouldn't do this today; they would just CGI it.
Looking at this video clip transports my mind to a wondrous place of dreams.
Loser🤡
I hate cgi. Films are like cartoons nowadays
@@thechunkyone7118 boo hoo, boo hoo hoo
Lots of films today have extensive sets. Just watch Blade Runner 2049 or The Lighthouse, or Mad Max. They're full of them.
Man this scene, even with the poor video quality, still gives me more creeps than Alien Covenant. I mean the new movie is just okay, I don't hate it and there were some good scenes. But almost ever scene with an alien murdering someone was boring. Only genuinely scary thought was an airborne infection virus and that was under used.
Irrelevant402 I LOVE this scene
Always will
Take Lambert's advice: Get the Hell out of there!
That final shot too when they leave the Jockey & you see the dark silhouette.......so creepy! This is the perfect Horror movie
@MateoPep hello anyway there are two sci-fi horror movies that are my favorite Alien (1979) directed by Ridley Scott and The Thing (1982) directed by John Carpenter and I consider both of them the perfect horror movies ever created as well:).
To think it's been sitting there in the cold and absolute blackness potentially for thousands of years
There’s something very Lovecraftian about this scene
All of H.R Giger's work is a tribute to Lovecraft. Hell Prometheus is literally H.P Lovecraft's In The Mountains of Madness. (1936)
@@sadistikalchemist not really no. Is there a source for this or just your assumption?
I don't think I've been more disappointed the mysterious being in Alien (often called Space Jockey) being explained with just a large humanoid in a suit since George Lucas had the "bright" idea it was Darth Vader/Anakin Skywalker who made C3PO - as a 9 year old kid no less!
Yeah, I wouldn't go that far but I don't consider any of those prequel/cash grab films canon.
kaleb prinze just shut up dude everyone can tell youre insanely annoying just from that one comment
As if it couldn't get worse he then has the Xenomorphs created just a few years prior to the events of Alien by an evil robot as the product of his supervillain plot to destroy the world.
Jessie Mann yea man i agree...could have been a t rex. And shit
Daniel Drake I personally like the idea of chosen one xD
The space jockey was gigantic ... even bigger than the engineers seen in Prometheus ...
In the comics there's different types the ones in prometheus are military while this one was science oriented if I remember right. they're biologically the same species but have different structures to serve different purposes
this is why I called bullshit on Ridley's 'Prometheus' where the explanation on the space-jockey was an 'engineer' wearing a suit of some kind, when clearly this being was reduced to skeletal remains, there's no suit on it, where the chest-burster came out it's clearly bone, I don't know what Scott was thinking but he fcuked-up royally with that explanation in Prometheus....
this is one of those times were, the question is far more interesting than the answer and the 'space jockey' mystique was totally and completely ruined! STUPIDLY SO!
"You just didnt get it!!"
~douchebag fanboy~
@@GnosticTheist and fuck ridley scott, he's become a bitter anti-Trumper old man...too bad, he 'had it' for a while but....
@@GnosticTheist there's too many of those marxist moron celebs be they has-beens or not...no wonder hollywood is hemorrhaging money
@@BlacKnightRising great point 👍
@@brucechamberlin2545 go ahead and tell me I'm wrong with EVIDENCE I gave you the obvious---from his own film--go ahead genius, refute my argument...you've got nothing, but regardless...TRY LOL
0:00 - 0:12 That music always gives me chills.
It's almost like music that an alien being would listen to
You'd think the crew would have more of a reaction to the giant fossilized alien.
Still waking up from hyper sleep. xD
it wasn't 2019, people don't have to throw tantrums, scream, shout, cry at any single thing
maybe they watched the film before ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
For the storyline's sake, and keeping them bewildered but rather chilled, we get to absorb the scene and what is going on... In real Life, YEAH, I WOULD BE FREAKIN' IN MY PANTS BIG TIME IN SEEING ALL OF THIS. Having that would detract us from observing the entire scene and horrors to came. Lambert's over cautious fear was enough to balance it.
They are flying some old ass space tug across the Milky Way. And bitching how coffee is only good thing in that tug.
Of course they don´t react some long dead ET same way as we would.
We would be awed by old ass space tug flying across the Milky Way. Even flying to Moon nowdays is more sci-fi than realistic thing
The music...the lighting...the words from Dallas...H.R. Giger art design...the set that they built for this...BRILLIANT...VERY REALISTIC...VERY SPOOKY...THIS COULD BE MY FAVORITE SCENE IN THE HISTORY OF FILM...CERTAINLY THE SET THEY BUILT...MAGNIFICENT...
At 0:19
There was an unused cue of music which used low horns instead of the flute; for me at least, that cue really brought home the fact that this was an actual alien lifeform with some kind of culture we humans could barely conceive. It also served as a type of funeral dirge for our main characters, because once they find this guy, they are pretty much doomed.
I have to agree with the others who dislike the direction Ridley took with this species. Its the fact that we knew so little about them, that they were a "lost species" that made them so intriguing.
By the way, you cut it right before the best part, when the camera zooms in on that glassy, staring eye....as if even in death its trying to warn them to get the fuck out.
It seems Ridley Scott changed the Space Jockey from a being whether an Engineer or not INTO A SUIT !!
Trestan Emperor i know! isnt it wonderful! i remember the sense of wonder and the feeling of awe i had in the mystery wrapoed in an enigma shrouded in secrecy! its.... a suit!!!!!! my vivid imagination that i was forced to use with the brilliant a picture tells a 1000 words in action could never have foreseen the brilliance in that it was a magnificent suit! yay!
no one grows out of a stiupid chair or looks like an frickin elephant, not even teh Alienz^^ i always found that totally goofy and unrealistic.
@@tB3o3tR9o9nah it’s realistic
When you look at the measurements of this Engineer, his arm is longer than that of the explorer, but in Prometheus he's much smaller. Would have been more interesting and scarier in Prometheus if this guy and his size dimensions stood up from that sleep chamber to greet the Prometheus crew.
Alien will always be one of the best films. My favorite scene where they discovered the mysterious space jockey.
No, not one of the best, THE best !
@@frankblafhoed4116 The first two films are the best. Alien now turns 45.
very clear it was the skeletal remains of a long dead being and not a suit..whats happening in the prequels is terrible..
There must be one more engineer alive, they will have to show what happened to this space jockey.
i totally disagree with what Ridley is doing. Its basically destroying 30 plus years of books, stories, comics etc. that people have accepted as the "Alien universe", just to say "the bad robot did it". Its why Covenant isnt doing that great..Ridley is acting like a real life David, trying to destroy to create and its not being well received because people HAVE seen and read those stories and theres no way to just forget them..
That is a good point, it really has raised a lot of concern with the true fans. i believe in the end it will all come full circle and make seance in the end i hope lol
I dont think the prequels are bad movies, its just hard to understand the why of it..
if you don't like his movies don't watch them
Look at the size of that thing. There's no way an 'engineer' would fit inside that suit. It's even got teeth ffs!
To be honest, they should've explored the xeno more instead of the engineers. There's infinite things you can do with them as they're so mysterious.
My most favourite scene of all the franchise
The true story is this: The jockey (there was just 1) lived with the aliens in synthesis as "One Single Life Form" some millions of years ago. Also the ship itself consisted of aliens and their different variations, but the jockey controlled the ship by his mind.
One day the aliens converted against their master and killed him.
Wow where can I read this ? Its similiar to God with lucifer and the angels story wow im so amazed
Why are they not surprised by the discovery of this? Has other life already been discovered by humans in this universe and that's why they're more scientific and nonchalant about it rather than shocked or excited?
Agreed. I guess they were concerned about survival, but still you just found proof of alien life and they never even talk about it really.
Prometheus is a prequel, so I'm assuming they know about them already?
@@diouranke
The company probably did, but not the crew of the Nostromo.
I love how the original Alien film provided far more questions than it did answers. For me it was a huge part of the allure of the film....
Such a awesome movie.
I haven't seen the original film since 2009, but after re-watching this scene, I can now understand why so many fans hate Prometheus so much.
They’re no fun haters mate
One of the things that would help understand the entire back story of the Alien movie has to do with the unique amalgamation of top notch teams who created this franchise initially. The strongest element by far was the story, and the script which was honed and reshaped (although trimmed very thin in the end due to budget and time). It excelles as a Sci-Fi, and creatively impregrantes (pardon the pun) intense horror sporadically. But, leaving long enough periods of suspense and wonder that keeps pulling you in. You just have no idea what's around the corner. Beautifully crafted, directed, acted and envisioned. The writing process had taken about 2 years if not more (prior to the movie) by Dan O'Banon et al by the time the studio finally allowed the final cut. Another point I'd like to share if you would not mind, is the fact that this movie is saturated with all sorts of lore from various fields and social issues, most notably the corporate structure and materialsim. I enjoyed the documentary I am linking here below so much as it really goes inot the guts of the movie and gives us a wider perspective. It is really an education in an entertaining way, and clearly highlights so much about the difference in attitudes we now have as opposed to movie goers in the late 70s. Alien today is a classic and it has aged extremely well, far better than most of its contemporary hits, imho. That's quality!
The documentary is called Memory: The Origin of Alien
www.documentaryarea.com/video/Memory:+The+Origins+of+Alien/
Its not an engineer. The engineer creation was a fix, the SJ was designed in one piece: no helmet...thats its head. Completely fused with machine in a biomechanical way.
The SJ and engineer are or were two seperate entities, later merged idiologically to serve as story continuity.
The SJ was used by ridley as a wow factor: contextualised within GEIGERS world....a stand a lone item.
The engineer context was an after thought, therefore didn't match the SJ dimension wise etc.
Production members used to call it "the engineer" during the development of the film. So yeah, it's an engineer and the precuels just shoved all the design and the mistery where the sun never shines.
@@puchopucho7790
"Production members used to call it "the engineer" during the development of the film." You misinterpreted it, they called it "the engineer" not an "engineer" because it was fused with the ship and had a symbiosis with the ship and piloted it until it was facehugged and killed by a Chestburster.
The Space Jockey was 18 feet as the Engineers were 8 feet. There are huge differences between the Engineers and Space Jockeys.
@Robb H
"Wrong, he's an engineer wearing a bio suit as by Ridley". Ridley never said full on that it was an Engineer, no one at the time of the film's release said it was an Engineer but they called it "Space Jockey" because of its appearance and supposed function.
You see:
The Space Jockey was symbiotically attached to the ship and so was one with the ship. Haven't you noticed the ship from Prometheus has differences in texture and architecture? That's because the Engineers mimicked the Space Jockey's technology just like humans wanted to mimic the Engineers technology. There was never doubt that the Space Jockey and Engineers were both different in the way they looked and functioned.
Also, the Engineers averaged at 8 feet whereas this Space Jockey was far larger at 18 feet. The Engineers and Space Jockeys both have huge differences between each other.
@Robb H
"The creator of the series has gone on record explaining this many time." They haven't, I've even seen and heard their explanations.
"The sizes were scaled down because it was impractical for shooting and originally this story line was not intended." Wrong, they never said that. Haven't you noticed that they have the habit of just abruptly changing things around? They aren't even good at doing a series, which is why the Engineers and Space Jockey actually aren't one and the same.
"Typical hollywood stuff." You misinterpreted everything judging from your comments.
@Robb H
"Lmao sorry buddy you're completely wrong." No I ain't, sorry bud but you let Ridley mess with your mind=D
"Look it up, Ridley specifically talks about scaling down the size from the old movie, he talks about creating prometheus from that scene in the old movie and that this was an engineer." You do know that Ridley loves to mess with people's minds about Alien, right? It seems as though you've fallen for his mind tricks whereas I was a lot more observant than he thought.
"He then goes on to explain about the suit." Once again, the Space Jockey was fused to the seat, whereas the Engineer wasn't which proves you wrong. The suit of the Space Jockey was part of its body whereas it wasn't on the Engineer.
Haven't you noticed how long the arms of the Soace Jockey were compared to its body? Whereas the Engineers was completely normal compared to a normal human's, which proves you wrong. Another thing is the head shape, you can see a mummified tongue and eye sockets whereas you don't see the tongue or eye sockets of the Engineers because they have a more human like appearance whereas the Space Jockeys had a more elephantine look. The chest was connected to the helmet and it turns out that the Derelict in Alien was more of a natural look than that of the Derelict in Prometheus which means that Ridley said what he did to try and mess with our minds and to try and make us all think the two are one in the same when in truth of reality, there are major differences between the two.
This appearance, music and atmosphere of 79' was the top of space horror! Engineer was alot bigger and morbid 😬
I love those brief seconds were they hold camera on its head after they leave
That is in my mind probably what they'd look like,in a way, being similar and recognizable as a pilot with eyes in it's skeleton,but at the same time totally different than anything we've seen before
I'm always seemed to me that in this creepy and mysterious scene there is a parallel with the crew of Nostromo. The fact is that in original script of O'Bannon and Shusset, Space Jockeys, drifting through the galaxy, once discovered abandoned remains of an ancient and unknown civilization in LV-426. Investigations inside the pyramids and archaeological structures were supposed to lead aliens to a chamber with egg, which would soon open up and infect one of Jockeys, after which they would all return back in derelict. What happened next remains a question, because script was rewritten, and huge humanoid alien became only a decoration dark architecture of Giger's derelict. But if we build theories, then most likely Jockeys suffered the same fate as the Nostromo crew. They decided to get out of planet, but an alien life form ripped the chest of infected Jockey, and then Xenomorph that got free began to terrorize the entire derelict, one by one killing and turning Jockeys into eggs during eggmorphing. This could explain biomechanical design of Xenomorph, since Xenomorphs and Jockeys are very similar in appearance. And perhaps one of surviving Jockeys would have had time to send a warning signal about an aggressive and dangerous organism, but it was too late
That Space Jockey's ALOT Bigger Than The Engineers In Prometheus
Almost as if they were capable of genetic engineering or something
It looks really different & larger than the Engineers & their mech suits from Prometheus. The eyes looks like it rotted out
That is a good point.
Space Jockeys are the Navigators...Engineers are Engineers.
To all you idiots saying "no, Engineers and The Space Jockey are two different species, it'll be explained in later movies" ......in the original Prometheus script (Alien: Engineers) THE ENGINEERS were the creators of the Xenomorphs (no black goo involved). But no, wait, now it's David. You guys act like Ridley Scott has some grand vision of were these movies will eventually lead, when in fact, he's just making shit up as he goes along. STop encouraging his sloppy story-telling. He didn't even want Alien: Covenant to be an Xenomorph movie until he saw the social media reaction to Blomkamp's Alien 5.
bingo
damn u ruined it all
I always get the chills when that music starts playing. Also, it's cool how this ties into Prometheus.
The reasons behind this crash are not known. However, the ship was carrying a large cargo of Xenomorph Eggs, and at or around time of the crash the Pilot was impregnated with a Chestburster; it is possible this event played some role in the crash itself. The Pilot later activated a warning beacon in an attempt to prevent anyone else
Original engineer from Alien film was massive.
These days they are as big as any regular human being for some reason : )
現代のCGテクノロジーを使ってもこのシーンを超えられない。音楽と共に完璧な芸術
I love these movies ❤
I enjoy Prometheus, just as a big budget goof, but my canon stays and ends with the original Alien. The space jockey is still this mysterious elephantine creature that's just one random example of our limited view of the universe. In my mind, the space jockey is a race that is sorta like us: they don't have any of the answers, and they're just doing their thing and they happened to come across a deadly alien species.
Exactly just like I love to pretend the Lost clan from Predator 2 had the ability to time travel and that’s how they had that alien skull in their trophy room that’s why they are called the Lost Tribe Lost in space and time
Prometheus is canon to the Alien universe and the space jockey is officially an engineer
@UltraBrian-e2q just because its officially canon, doesn't make it good... I've seen your comments throughout this thread, do you really like what has happened to the series?
@@JobForAMaxboy actually it’s both canon and it’s not good because it is great. Prometheus and Covenant are great films rather you like them or not.
@@JobForAMaxboy I liked what happened in the series, I mean it’s not perfect, but it’s still great of what happened to the series.
You’re right, it’s not good because it’s great! It’s canon because it’s great.
So David can time travel and he created the Xeno's. What a feat.
I refuse to believe David created xenomorphs. He just created his own version or something.
Long distance shot's were done by using Scott's kids to make the set look bigger in the distance to save money
They could’ve made the jockey a space trucker who was killed by his own cargo, to create a parallel with the Nostromo crew, and that would’ve been a much better backstory than what we got.
Nah, Prometheus was a great back story, so we don’t need a better one.
This 3/4-scale movie prop was destroyed at the movie primere (someone with a cigarette)... the sectional walls were re-positioned for the shots (to give the impression of a large circular chamber....) ... and children were dressed in 3/4 scale suits to give a feel of "size"... (and these same wall sections were used in the egg-chamber as well)...
No effects, no computer. The statue was made by HR GIGER using his hands. Incredible.
Whole set was a big gamble because they built it way bigger than budget allowed to do. Then one day, producers visited the set and where in shock and mad as hell. Glad Alien became a hit movie
Then on the other side you have Alien 3 (whole furnace room was build from scrap) set and movie bombed in box office
Still the best scene in alien franchise
People want answers to the mysteries of Alien?! People get MAD when they get answers to Alien!
This is a very. true statement.
SethTheProphet I REALLY hate it when people want answers to a mystery but then complain about it and blame it on the director, when THEY WANTED ANSWERS!!!!!!!!!LIKE WHAT DO PEOPLE WANT?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
+ SethTheProphet I have ideas that give answers to the mysteries of the Alien, and it's connection to the Engineers and what the Engineers were trying to do with humans until they gave up and decided to wipe mankind out.
Actual canonical answers, not shit whipped together last minute. The Space Jockey was MASSIVE, at least twice the size of the engineer. It had bones, and clearly had eyes and a mouth. Why bullshit us?
We want 1979 Ridley Scott answers not 2012 Ridley Scott answers. We certainly don't want 2017 Ridley Scott answers.
The engineer had so so much to it, until they kinda dumbed it down. There was so much power to just seeing the dead one in this scene that the newer ones seem almost unrelated. Its feels like this engineer is creepy yet powerful while the new one feel flat and lackluster. Im just glad the xenos stayed the same
Is this Alien 1979?
yes
The size of this engineer here looks lots more bigger than the one they found him alive!! Still one of the best movies!!
It´s like EVA suits.
Suit makes one wear it look bigger
Even Nostromo crew (and real astronauts) looked bulked up, when wearing EVA
I hate the way every 70-80 movies are over-mythologised nowadays
Why Alien was so great? Because it was simple: dudes meet some really nasty alien, try to survive all fail but one: GREAT
Why Prometheurs and Convenant Sucks: they try to explain every freaking detail no one really asks back then
Exactly same shit for Star wars:
A farmer and an old man try to save a princess, meet and defeat a bad guy: simple efficient... GREAT
Prequel-sequel-wankquel: they try to explain every single detail no one back then really asks: sucks
Turns out the "fans" and their theory fights begging for answers ruins franchises
I swear that If someday they try to make a movie to explain How Doc met Marty, I'm going to get really mad
That is a good point
WAIT HOLD THE FUCK UP.
You complain about 70-80s movies to be over mythologicalized when Prometheus and covenant showers in that, ALSO how Prometheus and Covenant were hated for the plotholes and lack of explanation so you got it ALL wrong and mixed up.
Also Alien is not a simple film, there is alot of running themes and a story that backs up from it.
Kiliny Agreed
Can't agree with you Kiliny. The same cliche won't work on the same audience again, the same scary shit won't be scary enough to the same original alien movie. Exploring details gives authors more chances and time to find out new scary shit for you.
I think maybe u just might be stupid
This looks so good that it looks like it came from a much later year than 1979. I remember seeing this movie as a kid on HBO in the early 90's. The architecture alone creeped the hell out of me. The fact that this mummified alien corpse had a burt open chest made me even more uncomfortable, as it is not just humans the Xenomorphs prey on, but also other far more advanced alien people; whom I would think could combat or defend from the Xenomorphs easily with their far superior technology.
Fused together with a chair? Story of my life
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To this day there’s still something very unsettling and sinister about that space jockey.
I preferred this decomposed cadaver of a benevolent elephantine creature to the nasty bald humanoid giants in Prometheus.
Not one of the sequels was necessary. Not one. This is perfection.
Question for anyone familiar with the Alien universe... Were people already familiar with the engineer species? It seems odd to me that none of the people in the crew were surprised to see the corpse of a giant 15' tall humanoid that was piloting a ship.
That creature is much bigger than the engineers in prometheus
This particular Space Jockey will be David eventually...
that is a cool idea but can a synthetic have a chest burst-er?
Umit Balioglu Hmmm if it is then that would be very lame.
dreadtan I think David will somehow use that black goo unto himself causing him to morph into a chair since he is a robot and then morph into this giant freak eventually since David is so obsessed in perfecting the xenomorph he will put one inside him causing the very first Biomechanical Xenomorph just like in the original movie
dreadtan David will put one more Xenomorph inside of him as a last attempt to preserve his creation and maybe the end scene will be the alien queen bursting out of david and those 2000 eggs are probably the 2000 colonist
I really like how they focus on the Space Jockeys face, first illuminated then going back to the eternal darkness of a dead ship. I always found it sad.
スペースジョッキーの正体が実はデイヴィッドっていう説もあるんだよね
Very interesting theory and I know we speak different languages but I know they aren’t doctors or medical experts but they really should have been armed if something exploded out of a being 😂which is not normal
i shited my pants when i was 7 years for this scene creepy i was so scared
Alien is one of the all time great films. They should have just left it as a single film, rather as they did with ET.
“Aliens” was a pretty damn good sequel . Should have stopped after that
@@archdukefranzferdinand4429 yes , good film , but I still prefer one alien to a whole horde of them...
@@johncarter579 And The Thing (1982) directed by John Carpenter it doesn't need a sequel and it never will it deserves to be in a class by itself as one of the greatest sci-fi horror movies ever created as well:).
Why is everyone complaining about the engeneers? I personally liked the Prometheus movie. I hadn't watched Alien since I was a kid and forgot they showed the engeneer in it. When I watched Alien again I understood what it was.
The whole beauty & horror of this scene was not knowing what it was. Prometheus then went and told us it was basically a big human in a suit. Utterly disappointing revelation, the same as the revelation that the Xenomorphs are essentially an accidental creation, as opposed to some naturally evolved ALIEN species. I don't understand this modern mentality of having to have everything in films explained away. We don't know everything about the universe, and films should reflect that fact.
The Engineer is much bigger in here, creating a more intimidating feel towards it. Unlike Prometheus...
It´s like EVA suit. Makes every human look like a body builder
The Prometheus engineers were massive too, there is a scene in covenant where the characters comment on their size when they entered the cavern and saw the statues of em, they looked at least 10ft tall. Now, the space jockey engineer seems to be a different race that is probably double the size of the Prometheus engineers and probably are their creators.
Funny that the "Space Jockey race" turned out to not be alien looking at all. That just undermines the entire concept of the original Alien film.
When you invent FTL before fog resistant visors.
Thats a face hugger attached to its face, I know they say its part of its suit but it clearly looks like a dead hugger on its face and they decided to retcon the suit after. I've always said this to my fellow alien nerds.
Hey im here a fellow alien nerd let me see if its true let me see it closely lol
Prometheus and Covenant should never have happened. The mysteries should've stayed as mysteries. Ridley screwed up yet he was one of those people who made the Alien franchise possible. Shame.
Nah, Prometheus should've still happened IMO. However, it should've been way different than what we got. I agree though that Covenant was a mistake. Ridley Scott lost his goddamn mind.
Fun fact: this scene was shot with kids in spacesuits so they can reduce the size of all the props while making the set look bigger than they are
At least the prequel Prometheus explained how that happened.
It’s a different ship not the same engineer in the chair. Different planet too.
I really like Prometheus but this would be so much cooler if the space jockey actually had an elephant face. Those comics from the '90's had some sweet storylines.
The count down is on for alien covenant, can't wait.
Start count down for Alien Awakening.
hell ya i hear ya
MOAR ENGIES, MORE DAVID.
FUCK THE CAMERON BUGS
dreadtan now is for alien awakening
Yeah too bad it was bad
Experience this scene first hand in the game ALIEN ISOLATION
The novel adaptation of Covenant is implisit that David just re-creat something that already existed and also created some variants, shuch as the Neomorph and the Deacon. We know this because there were a pretificated/fossilised egg in the Engineer's Homeworld (Paradise) and also an ancient statu of a CLASSIC XENOMORPH, with all of it, David said that he was trying use it as model for his experiments trying to re-creat them, also there are even more things that Ridley Scott didn't use (and should) add to the movie. Why? i don't know nigga, i just think he is senil and very old, also FOX didn't help to much
Yeah, i don't know why people act like David was a creator of xenomorhs
Thing for me....i always thought it was an alien being manning a gun turret ...secondly the creature is way bigger in this than the engineers in prometheus etc ..
I would hate to be that one person who encounter the space jockeys chest buster that thing would have been human sized by the looks of it
Maybe some of the size change has to do with story telling. when the engineer fights the cool squid alien in Miss Vickers pod at the end of Prometheus he had to physically be able to get into the pod. Maybe they just thought the original sized dudes were too big?
True, that is a really good point. Maybe it was a bigger engineer, we don't know much about their race,
that whole size thing to do with him inside the medpod, was Ridley and the crew messing up the size comparisson, cause hes really tall when hes standing up alongside the humans when hes awoken from hyper-sleep.
The size thing in general purely comes from the fact the Engineer has fossilized inside his organic "chair-suit". The engineer's technology is purely "biomechanoid". His suit is like bone and is organic. Look at the inside of the Engineer's helmet when it closes arnd him, look at his general size when hes sitting in his chair, hes does not fill that chair. Over time, he has fossilized because the odd mix of synthetic and organic tissue fused.
This being with an unknown alien wrapped around it absolutely looks like what the crew will soon see with one of there own crew members. And they could see that something had exploded out of its chest. So in my opinion nothing that happened soon after should’ve been a surprise and they should’ve anticipated it.
shit but what if there is a way to save this somehow. The space jockey DID exist but died (somehow) and is like a defacto leader for the engineers. There may be more than one giant one and the smaller engineers are the "workers" of the bigger space jockeys, even modeling their creations off their own structure, the queen alien and the workers. its a possible theory
It will all come around and make seance.
I have an idea that connects everything and could save this franchise, Ive even tried to post my story to Ridley Scott himself, but obviously he wont bother with fan-mail, thinking its all the same, and mostly attacks on him for how hes done his Alien prequels. I can see where he is going with it, its actually amazing that not one person on here, or any other videos has worked it out.
People will bang on about Carpenter's The Thing being superior in terms of It's 'cosmic horror' but nothing is more 'alien' than this. It's Giger's feverish nightmare unleashed and it's terrifying.
Reminds me on how I met my wife.
lol that is funny
mother in law*
I like how by trying to explain something that didn’t need to be explained, they just made more questions and answered nothing