Sims 5 is dead. Now what? The Sims 4: 10 Years of Meh
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- Опубликовано: 23 сен 2024
- Rambling about the current state of The Sims 4 after having just passed the ten year anniversary of the game's release. Also the future of the series now that The Sims 5 is confirmed as no longer happening. Eh. Meh. Bleh. Whatever.
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I can imagine EA eventually rebranding the game from "The Sims 4" to just "The Sims".
exactly what i thought when i saw their investors day presentation
Why haven't they???? I've been thinking this since 2017 lol.
Just like Sim city?
They’re doing a similar thing with what would have been Skate 4
@@JPacerox1yup! Glad someone else noticed that. I have no hope for skate though. 2000s EA was God-Tier gaming.
I'm sure EA deliberately ignored Sims 4's 10 years anniversary precisely to avoid reminding people that they've been taking the whole franchise for a nosedive, as they plan to make this last longer than Sims 1, 2, and 3 combined.
My theory is they refuse to make a bundle with all the dlc content and if they were to do it, it would be now. BUT we all know that won't happen.
@@user-fo1ow1jq3b Yooo hooo, time to sail the seven seas laddy, there be fine booty fer any sailer willin te risk the waves.
It has not been 10 years…
….
My god.
I’m glad I got out of the Sims sphere when I did.
Holy moly this comment blew my mind !
@@user-fo1ow1jq3b of course they won't do that. They want you to pay for EA Play - at one point they even tried swapping the "buy" buttons for "Get EA Play" and buried the "buy" buttons because they want people to think the only way to get the content is with Play and that you can't get actually buy it like you used to. Luckily they got slapped with "misleading business practices" (at least in the EU) and had to make it more obvious how to buy their games
Why does every franchise or series have to build off the weakest entry possible instead of making a solid foundation
Laziness and money making
It's a 50/50 gamble
That's what happens when original devs that were passionate & ambitious, about the games they were making leave. Now they are replaced by greedy business people, & people that aren't passionate gamers at heart.
This is a big reason why I gave up trying to ever think I'm gonna play Crusader Kings 3. I already have too many DLCs from 2 and it was a solid game.
@@Labergemusic kinda why I gave up on Halo Infinite. Game launching with a major mode not working for months post launch was not a "platform for the next decade" lmao
I find it hilarious that EA is saying that they're going to keep Sims 4 running so players don't have to "start over again" or whatever, but then they'll quite happily re-release the same football game every year with minor changes and a different roster for full price + microtransactions... Really just boils down to minimizing the amount of work and maximising the profits.
And it is especially funny that "game as a service" would make a lot of sense with certain sports games.
they're panicking with all the new competitors releasing soon (inzoi and paralives). EA doesn't have any faith in Sims as a franchise because they know people are asking too much for a new base game, so they chose to milk TS4 until people finally vote with their money (there are too many sheep in the community and EA like that)
crystal clear, transparent
Will their NFL license ever expire? I haven't bought a sports title from EA in years ever since they added loot boxes and other gross money laundering schemes into their games.
I was buying the argument, but that’s a really good point 🙂 . . . It would be terrible to stop support the old game though.
Sims 4: 10 years of meh
Sims 2: 20 years of being awesome
Sims 3: 15 years of being the best of the franchise
And with the site called Modthesims you can still get updated items for the Sims 2.
Sims 2 is goat.
@@ROCKNROLL947it’s good but definitely not the best, that’s 2.
@@ROCKNROLL947the sims 3 is my favorite. hands down ... but i won't lie, the sims 2 is to be appreciated. i didn't realize it until i got sick of the sims 4 lol the sims 2 is pretty incredible when you realize how much depth it has.
Calling it now: They're going to make it a subscription service. All that company speech sounds to me like it's headed towards that.
I would not be at all surprised.
Like what Paradox did with CK2. F2P + subscription to be able to play with all the goodies. Sadly for them it may not work so well. The problem with subscription model is the fact that you don't have the sunken cost fallacy at play. It is very easy to stop the subscription once a new shiny game comes out that fills the niche. On the other hand if you paid $1000+ for the game then you will play it to justify the amount of the money you have already spent on it.
COMING 2025: SIMSNITE LIVE.
It practically already is. All the content costs more than a thousand dollars, but if you pay monthly for EA play you get access... as long as you keep paying of course.
Keep in mind how unsubscribing will then practically break all your sims 4 saves and families.
What a deal!
They already did that 2 decades ago with The Sims Online and failed. Would they make the same mistake?
Hundreds of packs split off the base game and expansions over the course of 10 years, “We don’t want players to start all over again after 10 years of gameplay.”
Nobody at EA knows how games work.
I always played a family for like a week before starting a new one. Playing a fam for even a month let alone years seems impossible to me
Yeah, it's not like people couldn't keep playing Sims 4 when the new game comes out. They are acting like Sims 4 will just stop working as soon as Sims 5 comes out.
@@Matt92Machine Games evolve, we adapt, just like in real life. All this stuff should have been around since the start or in the 4-5-6 year gap.
@Matt92Machine to be fair that's what happened to the sims 3
@@RiverTheOneandOnly And the Sims 2, Sims 1, etc. When the new Sims games come out, the previous game always had more content.
"Sims 4 Ever " is absolutely genius and true.
the problem whit the sims4 is that the sims4 engine is god avfull it was designed as a multiplayer game (some kind) but that was changed late in devlopment whit most of its online feature removed causing the sims4 to become who fully under cooked as a single player game.
and now the sims4 have a incredible buggy mess cobbled together, just the fact that every time the sims add in an expansion whit appartment.
sims4 city living the first one, then there was another one and that broke all apartments they fixed it and then a few expansion later a new world whit apartments and all apartments broke again presuming you did not play base game plus that one expansion.
The Sims 4 actually has an in-game game your Sim can play called 'The Sims Forever', which has the potential to be hilarious foreshadowing, since the gameplay you can see on the computer is literally just The Sims 1 from what I remember lol
The way, we all hear that phrase like the THREAT it is!
😭
@@theuberedredspy8791 Reminds me of how many MMOs get bought, get a suffix like "forever" or "reloaded", and made worse to extract all the money from players.
@@theuberedredspy8791 More hilarious when considering that Sims 4 regressed back to Sims 1 in some ways.
No drivable cars. No custom worlds, lot sizes, and lot placements. Have to buy new packs just to get more building plots.
Worst AI in the franchise despite marketing it as "smartest ever" - they even proudly named Sims 4 AI engine as "SmartSim" live on stage back then at Gamescom.
That footage of the couch being customized fills me with such longing for what could have been. Sims 3 gave us an open world and custom colours and that's what I wanted to see return for Sims 5.
Hoping Project Rene will maintain that level of detail, whatever it ends up being!
@@LGR It looks and feels like the Creation Kit but for The Sims.
I'll try to see the positive here: no more Sims to destroy and ruin by EA.
It was once possible to own a copy of a Sims game with all DLCs. It is not impossible to do that without being extremely rich.
Each game was worse in that regard, now with DLC with sub-DLC.
Imagine what a Sims 6 would be like. Thousands of DLCs. DLCs for the DLCs for the DLCs for the DLCs. Microtransactions all over the place. Pay to win multiplayer. I don't want to see the brand go into further destruction.
Sometimes it's better for a brand to simply die.
All of this makes me appreciate the simplicity of the first 2 games more and more as the years go by, even the spin off entries like Urbz and Sims Bustin Out
"It was once possible to own a copy of a Sims game with all DLCs. It is not impossible to do that without being extremely rich."
you can find it all for free on the high seas, well supported too.
EA needs to lose the rights to this franchise asap and give it to a company that's passionate about The Sims and we the people. EA needs a good reminder that we are the ones that pay there bills
Live service is a plague.
The masses need to revolt by not paying for this shit. Any subscription. Adobe, etc.
Live service could've been cool. But it was born out of the intent to maximize profit for most of them. Very much a waste
makes lootboxes look like a less grim future now.
@@AD-Dom Good luck with that lmao, the masses are braindead.
To be fair, it can be done well e.g. valorant
Watch EA losing the entire Sims market to another upstart publisher/developer, like they did with sim city. I already see the first signs of this happening.
With both Paralives and inZOI coming out in the future, I also think this is very likely to happen. Players have been complaining about The Sims 4 for years and we will finally have other life simulators to replace it
TBH I wonder if that's why they're hesitant to move onto a new game. A lot of live service games can comfortably coast on success because they're in a space of large scale multiplayer games and unless you have a freak stroke of luck like Fortnite putting out a free Battle Royale mode to compete with PUBG the game will struggle and die off. The difference here and with SimCity is that Sims has been traditionally a singleplayer game, something that a competitor can much more easily provide. SimCity did have an online social aspect to it but it wasn't critical to the SimCity experience so City Skylines ended up eating its lunch.
So I assume EA has opted to just keep the current gravy train rolling because they know it's successful.
Nah with Life By You getting the plug pulled I don't forsee a decent competitor coming anytime soon. EA knows this and that's why they get away with this
@@CherryPixelBun "Live service" games should be illegal.
I welcome it
I honestly wasn't looking forward to Sims 5 because of how badly Sims 4 burned me, but hearing Sims 5 isn't happening is still upsetting. Especially with their bs "We don't want you to start over
the only good whims in this game are wicked, and those are mods lol
Right? Look at the Crusader Kings series. II had numerous paid DLC and expansion packs so what did threy do with 3? Incorporate all of them into the base game (or pretty close anyway) and come up with NEW ideas for expansions for the new title. Amazing huh!
not just fill the void, but replace The Sims like Cities Skylines did with SimCity
Man.. I just want The Sims 1 on gog
Hear hear!
I want Sims 3 remastered
Until then, it's on myabandonware 😉
"Resetting progress" is part of the fun. Starting fresh, especially if there is a whole new game to explore is one the best things about playing games.
I do agree that it is a silly excuse because countless F2P games have developed their business models on having "seasons," which have regular game resets.
However, I do think that game companies force themselves into a corner when they continue making expansions to an old game rather than developing a new one. They have the conundrum that they know the game is old and want to develop something completely new, but if they were to make a sequel, it would not have all the features of all the predecessor's expansions at launch, and that would result in negative reviews and sales problems. This happened to Cities:Skylines 2, and I think that launch had a chilling effect on sequels to games that have lots of expansions.
what sucks is that most of these new sims players haven’t played the old games; they aren’t used to the QUALITY base games we got. they’re used to paying out of the nose for these bare minimum packs and honestly? i’d be upset too if the sims 4 was all i knew and i’d paid hundreds just to get a mediocre (at best) game. that being said, i don’t care. we still need sims 5, 4 is trash 😭😭
RIGHT! The whole “want to keep your save file” nonsense is BULL because in the sims especially, we’re all used to creating new families whether it’s because we’re bored of the current ones or sometimes mods break it. It’s all part of the sandbox experience. They were just looking for reasons to keep milking this sad entry. Thank goodness for INZOI and Paralives 🙄
inZOI and Paralives truly are the distant light at the end of the tunnel at this point. Neither are guarantees, but even a glimpse of light after years of darkness is exhilarating.
Speak for yourself buddy. In Sims 2 I've been tending for a neighborhood for 10 years now. Rarely do I make new households. Most sims alive after 12+ generations are either decendents of those few households I made over the years or from adopted townies. Mods have come and gone but the neighborhood stil survives.
@@OnionChoppingNinja I mean, you're still playing the Sims 2 as you said. EA isn't targeting this kind of playerbase.
I don't know if people do the same thing in the sims 4.
@@OnionChoppingNinjaYeah, and where did Sims 2 go? Exactly! You're making an excellent point for why EA's argument is bs. Nobody is losing their progress, they can always keep playing the old games even when there are new releases.
I don't think they wanted to do this.
Similar to the way they didn't want to release TS4 the way they did.
I think they INTENDED to milk TS4 for many more years, got caught with their pants down with tons of competitors.
At that point they're barely into production against these games dropping in 2025.
So do they A, release something in 2028(or beyond) as they should, after watching their position dwindle, or, should they reuse assets, code, etc, to make a new project, then claim the asset re-usage is "better for the players because they get to keep their stuff" and try to sell that.
If they can do this, and launch by 2025, they likely think they won't lose their position.
This is clearly some EA exec trying to twist an L (taking a loss on position), and trying to screw players over (asset re-usage) as a W (players will get to keep their stuff and their saves!).
What's ironic is that I highly suspect they won't release anything worth playing by 2025.
Despite the hate, I genuinely used to think TS5 would kill any competitor, but I guess EA's incompetence literally is insurmountable.
The myth of infinite growth is killing each and every single thing we enjoyed as kids. One of these days the bubble WILL burst, but that means we all lose.
Billionaires will always find a way to win, even if the market crashes
@@XError40404 They always do, as the poor and middle class are forced to sell off what very little assets they have, guess who buys them up for cheap?
Capitalism must go.
@@GruntoSkunko What are you suggesting we replace it with, huh co.mmie?
considering all the recent AAA flops, I think that time might come before the end of this decade
'The Sims 4. 10 years of meh, bleh. ' You could have ended it right there 😂
Gaming is in such a weird fucking spot in 2024. I have never in my life had so little excitement about things. I wasn’t alive for the gaming crash of 1983 but it feels like we’re due for another catastrophe, but for different reasons this time.
There are no more generational leaps. Everything is expensive. Everything is a subscription. Everything is pay to win. Nothing feels new.
Agreed on all counts. I don’t think I’ve been interested in so few new games in my life (indies being the exception)
It's because game companies who have no desire to innovate are being rewarded by ignorant phone millennials who have no care about gaming. They were raised on phone app Chinese garbage and that's what they expect. They just take one game and then play that game for 20+ years and just buy every little $100 DLC pack over and over and over again. Wash rinse repeat. Then you have where we are now. You get 1 game for 1/4 of your lifespan and you just pump money into it like a gas station.
The last “game” I was excited for in recent history was Fallout London, and that’s a third party mod, not even a for profit official Bethesda title.
@@LGR I got off keeping up with the latest stuff around the Xbox One era, and I can say that I am VERY happy I did so right now.
@V3ryan To be fair, it is very good.
You know what's funny? In the past, developers who worked on the game played previous entries growing up. Now developers of Sims 4 potentially played Sims 4 growing up
Sheesh. Yeah, a 22 year old developer would’ve been 12 when Sims 4 started!
@@LGRas a 22 year old, my first Sims game was The Sims 2 and I absolutely loved The Sims 3. Granted, I was a huge gamer since I was literally 3 lmao, but have some hope for us! We still remember!
@@Zeroes47 That's also my case, I started with the sims 2 for ps2, and eventually sims 3 pets for xbox 360, got to play sims 3 on pc with my friends old shitty laptop for a while and was quite fun, and remembered watching so many sims 3 videos as a kid. Sims 4 was the first pc Sims I owned, and while I did enjoy it, it couldn't keep my attention for long considering how hollow of an experience it was and continues to be.
It's really sad what the series has become. Clint, thank you for all of your awesome videos on the Sims games over the years. Those expansion pack reviews are so re-watchable. They still hold up great!
Thanks to everyone being suckerd into all the "Microtransactions".
EA see that Fortnite and CS:GO makes millions of dollars on "Microtransactions" and they glance over to the Sims 4 and and idea came to them...oh! We make the game "Free" to play and pump it full of Microtransactions and we to will make millions of dollars...
I HATE MICROTRANSACTIONS!
IT HAS DESTROYED GAMING AS WE KNEW AND LOVED....
I agree. I used to watch them when I was a kid and deciding whether or not to get expansion packs. Sometimes I go back just for nostalgia!
This! The reviews playlist is such a comfort watch for me when I need something chill to work to. :')
This is why I hope sims like indie games do well like paralives
What happened to that game? We just stopped hearing about it lately. Now that Inzoi game is the most talked about life sim game on the horizon
they just updated a video based on levels of dancing 4 days
@@willthomas2310 Inzoi has Krafton's massive PR engine and marketing budget behind it, while Paralives is funded on Patreon. That's probably why you've heard a lot of Inzoi buzz and sponsored contents these past couple of weeks, they're trying to up the hype.
@@willthomas2310inzoi got big publisher krafton behind them paralives is crowd funded and they release updates on the game still although small since they're pretty much indie
@willthomas2310 it's in development
The end of an era. The Sims franchise going out with a wet fart..
more like an endless stream of diarrhea
that fart was 10 years ago, sadly its stench can never go away and gets worse and worse with time
Lmao 😂
Thank you for this I needed a laugh lmao
More like a fart you passed into your sheets then put the sheets in an airtight, clear box and let it sit in the sun for 10 years, then opened and inhaled deeply
Y'know when I saw that Sims could play a game "Sims Forever" in the Sims 4. I chuckled. Who would've thought it was an omen for the future of the Sims 4?
Ha!
Honestly I feel like if EA just remastered Sims 3 with optimisation for newer computers (mainly using its resources properly) everyone would be happy ☠️
Poor Ralph. He would've been dead 50 times over at this point. EA is trying to pull a Rockstar/Bethesda approach to the Sims 4, but it should've been phased out about 3 or so years ago, especially during the pandemic. Live service was a mistake. I started watching your channel in the early-Sims 3 expansion pack cycle, and your reviews have saved me so much money over the years. Thank you so much for everything you've done for us.
EA : Who's ready for another 50 years of a broken game with still some missing features!
Literally everyone : No. Just. No.
I never got over finding out the game engine for TS4 was originally developed for a mobile app. They built a ferrari around a lawnmower engine, that's why the game feels so underdeveloped and empty no matter how much content gets poured into it. I think you're spot on saying they just keep building up and up over a crumbling foundation.
One other thing that bugs me here is when people rage at the developers over things that were clearly management decisions meant to appease the shareholders and which, based on my experience as a software developer, they probably hate even more than we do. It's a bit like raging at the McDonald's cashier about McDonald's shady business practices. Which, yes, literally did happen when I worked at McDonald's in high school.
This right here. I know there are at least some people who are passionate about Sims 4 on the development team. The reason I don't hate Sims 4 is because there are small, neat details. But it is on a shitty foundation, and that foundation is so aged from constant updates. Like the game is rotting away. The only way to fix it would be moving the game to a better engine, but knowing EA they either 1) would never do it, 2) if they did, make you buy all the DLC again or something, or 3) hastily slap it onto new, even more broken engine to save money.
My McDonald's was fine, but my husband's was shady. It depended on the owner.
The palette in Sims 3 was the best feature they didnt bring back.
"Cool fridge, I just wish the metal trim was brass not chrome"
You can just do that
I def understand why. They chose the normies over the hardcore fans. Normies spend way more and barely give a shit about quality.
100%
Paid $400, played for 20 hours. It's geared towards people with more dollars than sense.
most of these new fans have never played the old games, they don’t even KNOW about the quality in the old games
Geez Sims 4 has been around for 10 years. Crazy. 😱
And how many of us have stopped opening the game altogether?
🙃
Just so y'all understand the scope here - The Sims 3 was released about nine years after The Sims.
The last 10 years of The Sims have been the franchise just slowly dying with a whimper under EA's corporate boot.
Yep 10 years and over $1000
It’s wild to me that EA aren’t planning a new entry. It’s like they’re just asking for another Cities Skylines situation to come along and rid them of the burden of having to make a new game
That probably will be Paralives
Of course, it could be the debacle of Cities Skylines 2 that kind of made them rethink about pushing out another game that's gimped of all the DLC goodies. You can live a fantasy life in Sims 4 only to be forced back down to live in a 4 room shack with limited options in Sims 5.
The lazy route is to just keep jucing thr remaining series
@@CCJ1998 there's more than enough dlc features that IMO they could just bundle one or two popular ones like weather and such and still have tons of content for expansion packs and limited time collabs with other brands
As for CS:2 irrc the main complaints were it being buggy, not that it lacked features.
@@detfan1982Paralives is a victim of feature creep. I don't really see it coming out.
I'll forever hold on to my Sims 1 Complete Collection.
10 years without a color wheel is insane
When it was confirmed Sims 4 would not have 3s open world, I was done. Didn't buy it, wasn't interested.
I'd come back when the inevitable expansion added it back in.
Except it'll never be put back in. So I stuck with 3.
You know, ten years ago I felt petty for refusing to play the Sims 4 since they reduced the scope of the game so much after 3's open towns. I told myself I'd just wait for the Sims 5 before getting back into the series. I have never felt so justified/frustrated at the same time before as once this news hit.
sims 3 was the best one. Sims 4 was a regression.
I'm like you. Then Sims 4 became free, so I thought I'd give it a try, and I got bored after two days, and went back to my legacy neighbourhood in Sims 3.
Now it has become clear to me, I will continue playing Sims 3 and probably never buy anymore of EA Sims product. That's it.
I genuinely enjoyed the sims 4 cas it was an upgrade and played the demo a lot but when i got the full game it was a downgrade from ts3 it was a bad attempt at the sims 2 been playing ts2 and 3 and never looked back
@DizzyBusy are there any mods that make Sims 3 run better on modern systems?
I did the exact same thing. I even kept up with all the expansion packs just hoping there would be an excuse for me to finally get Sims 4. It never happened.
"Windows 10 will be forever"...few years later Windows 11...Windows 12
Whomever believed that lie needs to have their eyebrows singed. That was such Bulldust.
Alternatively this could be like Mac OS X (roman numeral 10) which launched in 2001 and kept the name OS X for 15 years before eventually dropping the name OS X for just mac OS in 2016. They moved away from the version number 10 in 2020, but it's still mostly the same OS that launched 23 years ago.
Windows 7 is forever for me. Stop making OS'es for babies that need their hands held through every fucking function.
Then they erase all mention of it and pretend like they never said
Suddenly you're crazy for bringing it up
Yeah they just want to securing forever incomes with the Sims 4, so they'll have steady revenues, while also working on other projects.
The year is 3014. Intergalactic space travel is now possible. Earth was destroyed a few centuries ago. Peace for all of humanity was official with treaties across the galaxy outlawing war. Humanity now live with advanced technology increasing lifespans by 250 years.
And EA announce a 6000th expansion pack for the Sims 4.
Thankfully, they also announced a new game in the series at last:
The Sims 4 Remastered
EDIT: I forgot the final punchline; main feature of the remaster: 2024 graphics, and the need to purchase all 6000 expansions again to get all the content. Roadmap until 3055
3024: the church of Todd Howard adds Skyrim to the sims 4.
Of course it'll have a terrible base game 😂
EA has always been like this. I worked for Maxis when they bought it. They're all about the money and don't care about the creative side. When any game company gets too big, they stop being artists that create something and become managers that penny-pinch in order to please the shareholders.
Capitalism
I still want a Sims game where time flows for the whole neighborhood again. (Sims 2)
If I cause the neighbors to get a divorce or cheat, I want those actions to persist and not be stuck on an island under a specific family.
the entirety of the sims 4 has been EA adding bandages on things that can’t be fixed, you can’t improve a game engine from TEN YEARS AGO, especially considering it wasn’t even used for its intended purpose, they’re using an engine that was originally meant for a multiplayer game and made it a sandbox game and thought that would continue to be sustainable 😭 the EA app can barely function and they expect the sims 4 to run for how ever many years they plan to run it, please be serious
I wish it was 2013 again and I was watching one of your sims 3 EP reviews while deciding which one to ask for as a Christmas gift 😭
😢
EA literally just dropped the ball into Paralives and InZois court with this move. InZoi is already a big threat in my book from what I experienced from the character editor they had available for a weekend.
Coolest pillow I've ever seen? Yeah. Coolest pillow I've ever seen.
He calls himself lazy, but he's been constantly covering The Sims 4 for the last decade.
The one series driven by innovation finally halts to focus on monetization.
Rest in Peace, The Sims.
This happened with the release of Sims 2, and was clearly becoming their goal halfway through Sims 1.
@@CrAzYpotpie Exactly. Some people forget that the Sims 1 had about 10 expansions
sims died when Maxis did
The Sims died when Will Wright left.
Ten years ago when the Sims 4 came out, I remember deciding to wait until the graphics were more Sims 3 than Sims 2, they had the customization options of Sims 3, and they had the same level of content that was in base Sims 3. I'm still waiting on all but that last one, and it still has -- in my point of view -- less content than Sims 3 does, primarily because of the engine downgrade making it much harder to accomplish interesting, innovative tasks. I guess I'll be waiting ... forever, now.
Nah you'll have Inzoi soon don't worry :))
@@kime5776inzoi, while I’m glad it exists, doesn’t appeal to me in the slightest. Looks like gta. At least Paralives is a bit closer to classic sims
@@Wurmze I mean sure but the OP said they wanted graphics more like sims 3 so they would probably be more into the realistic graphics. In terms of gameplay, that's valid I guess, but it's also much more similar to sims 3 which is great if you ask me (and most people).
@@Wurmze I'm sure if the game mechanics are good enough and the options are expansive enough it'll change your mind. Can't be that hard considering Sims 4 is a downgrade of Sims 3
EA Games: "We don't want you to have to restart your save game. That sucks, right?!"
The Sims 4: "Duke Nukem has been crushed to death by a Murphy Bed!"
Also The Sims 4: "Duke Nukem has died from Being Angry!"
Also ALSO The Sims 4: "Duke Nukem has entered a rabbit hole and now you're playing a short text adventure game."
OR you sim decides on its own to go swimming in a thunderstorm and gets killed by lightning, or they die from some random mood buff.
My frustration was my sim was tired but still wanted to swim in the pool and died because they wouldn’t sleep they just wanted to swim I had to get rid of the pool it kept happening cause sims ai is so dumb … usually in sims 3 or 2 they nap or refuse to do that shit I have to make them
Speaking of the amazing mods, I'm firmly in the "Modders Have Kept The Sims4 Alive" camp. part of the reason long time players are so unimpressed with the sims is because modders have been improving the game and adding great content largely for free, and EA is asking for money for half baked content for a game that has largely been broken for most of its lifespan and broke more with each new release. Modders for TS4 weren't just releasing great extra content, they were FIXING the game so it could be played by more people.
The new attraction system is a watered down version of a really great mod that'd been out for years already and was updated regularly to make sure it kept working with each patch, which is, again, something EA cant manage to do for its paid content. I don't know if that mod is still compatible with the game since that update, but if it isnt and im stuck with a half assed version of it now that the game is finally (supposedly) optimized, im gonna be real bummed.
I never downloaded a single mod when playing sims 1, 2, or 3. Sims 4 is borderline unplayable without them, it's so bland.
@@Hungarycloud💯 agree. I have experience and read their description show dedication, time and actual care from TS4 modders from Mod The Sims, Pinterest, Tumblr and Patron (free public file) to download when I was attended my university year in mid and late 2010s. Plus, some of the TS4 programmers have copy and paste some good features, skills, game play from PG to Adult (water down version than the original, obviously) from them without permission, which isn't secretive. I think it happened to upcoming simulation game like Paralive with their building tools (2025) past years.
I have experience in coding. One day Mayor whiskers died of old age, and I was struggling to find where he died. So instead of doing it though the game play, I wanted to resurrect him in the code. When I went into the actual code of the game, I was shocked. The code is incredibly shabby and not professional as one would except. It’s literally held together with scotch tape.
Now we're forever stuck with no open worlds, crappy wants, emotions system, tiny worlds, and likely no create a world tool. A new game could have solved these issues, but oh no, Sims 4 fans will have to restart, so sucks to be you if you want a better base game
I miss the good old Sims 1 and 3 where I felt that I took my Sim on a development adventure. In 4 I just watch animations and fill up progress bars :(
low res progress bars too. The skill up bar is a 2D image in the Sims 4 whilst its 3D in The Sims 2 and 3... The Sims 4 has the most uninspired and bland UI of the franchise. The only good thing about The Sims 4 is the building, that's it.
Considering current EA, do we want a Sims 5? There's probably an indie developer somehere making a Sims-like game that would be much better than the microtransaction nightmare that Sims 5 would end up being.
there are two, look up paralives and inzoi :)
I gave up hope on 5 years ago. At this point I don’t trust ea with the ip anymore. If they made 5 it’d just be horrible and even more full of micro transactions and ways to nickel and dime their players. At least the sims 3 and 2 are still there and a blast to play.
You made LGR upset, EA. That's a bridge too far.
Will Wright made an amazing series and TS4 ruins the legacy that was built. EA knows they can get away with all of this.
The once beloved SimCity franchise being long dead and has been dethroned by other titles was already bad enough, but now, Sims4 is going to be hooked up to a life support machine and be kept alive 4ever? Jesus, I thought R* games milking the heck out of GTA5 for 11 years (and it will be for another 2 years it seems) was the most cruel thing, but seeing the Sims planned to be milked indefinitely is way too much for me...
The mod community really saved Sims 4. So many things that were missing and we waited for when the mods community came in with the cape. I don’t play Sims 4 anymore but I wanna give it up for the mods community. 👏🏾
If it wasn't for mods I would have never played the Sims 4 past the base game. Modders really are keeping the game alive.
The downfall of Sims needs to be studied. Just can't believe how bad this franchise has gotten...
Once alternatives hit the market, they'll make The Sims obsolete like Cities: Skylines made Simcity obsolete.
We're getting GTA 6 before The Sims 5.
Yeah
Way its getting I don't see that happening.
we aren’t getting the sims 5 at all atp 😭
Ten more years of CHAAAAIIIIIRSSSSS!
I still play SIMS 2 and 3 now and then. I have not touched sims 4 since its first year.
Maybe if they didn't do 500 shitty half assed "packs" and build a full fledged functional game no one would really have to start over to begin with...
Project Rene was a red flag and we didn't even know it. Rene was clearly short for "Renege", as in going back on a promise.
Dang, bud
Omg can't wait for your Sims 2 retrospective! I enjoyed your TS2 content back in the days so this should be a gem of a dozen!
Sims 2 is fully free now ;)
@@TerrorSyxke Where at???
@@SJ-ru4ej a little friend named Mr Torrent can get it for free.
@@SJ-ru4ej Sims 2 starter pack ;)
@@TerrorSyxke Would you per chance also know something about the Sims 1?
I don't even need to see the video that thumbnail tells me everything I need to know.
Continuously "bandaging" a program is a bad idea. Kludges create unstable and unpredictable messes. OTOH, The Sims 2 is held together by hopes, dreams, bubblegum, and duct tape from what I can tell.
I miss old Maxis. I've been missing them all weekend because of A-Train.
As someone that's been watching since your reviews of the Sims 3 packs and is in the same boat of "Tired of The Sims 4", I'd like a "Sims Year in Review". Also I cannot *wait* for that Sims 2 retrospective.
wait ... a Simcity 1 pillow! I need this!
I second this.
Same reaction. Just ordered one 😂
"doesn't mean that we're going to start you over, reset all your progress" EA I already do that a day after each new playthrough, PLEASE reset and start over so you can fix the core problems in your boring game
A Sims 4 executive infamously threatened the user community, after people grumbled about Sims 4's lack of an open world and CAST. He said that, if people did not support Sims 4, there would never be a Sims 5. Well, people DID support the Sims 4, but EA broke its promise on coming forth with a Sims 5.
Well, now they're not getting my money anymore. EA is not doing me any favour, so I'm not going to do them any favour either by buying their bad products. I'm not supposed to get this riled up about this, but here we are
While EA is 99% to blame for this I can't help but think the fans (not all of them, but there's definitely a few of them) need to stop buying their crap. People will complain but still buy the crappy product....
Some of us started going to this channel back when you're reviewing TS3 packs and we thoroughly enjoy it. I still like the TS4 reviews as a form of showing the state of the game and to keep track of those CHAIRS! If you still like making these videos, I'm sure to be one of those who will look forward it.
The series peaked somewhere in the middle of the sims2
3 was pretty good, but was terribly optimized and runs really bad on new systems. Sims 4 was always mid, though. I had hopes it'd get better and it did, somewhat, but not quite to the Sims 2/3 spec. I'll sometimes pick up an EP on sale and then get bored after a few hours of it.
I'm hoping the SIms-like games can come out and remake some of the earlier game's magic. Paralives promised no DLC, but that brings new concerns about their monetization model, Inzoi looks interesting but I'm less trusting of Inzoi than Paralives, for some reason. Gut feeling.
The Sims 3 was good, too, but yeah, I missed a lot of 2 things in 3.
My favorit is still 3 since it allows me the most creative freedom, and I like the holistic world. But Sims 2 was great to..
@@TruFalcofix 3, make it way less ugly and maybe more stylized like 4 and 2 and its there. Modders are already halfway through that tho
I don't sim much these days but if I do it's the Sims 2
LGR treats Sims 4 like a disappointed father.
More like a stepfather that is hoping Sims 4 would run away from home
The sims 4: Ever is a stupidly genius name for such an evil scheme and I bet some sort of executive actually put a name like that forward
Out of all sims games the sims 4 should NOT have been the last instalment in the franchise 🙄
TS4 is a good example of Sunk Cost Fallacy
Folk who prefer they only add to it, or EA who prefers not to put the effort into the long overdue redo. They just keep throwing money at it in hopes it miraculously changes for the better
BTW I also wanted to say that the "positive spin" of them doing us a "favour" by not making the Sims 5 is pretty much what they all learn to do in school, where they're all taught to treat things they do for THEIR benefit as if it's for OUR benefit, and shroud everything in corporate BS speak...
It will work on some people, of course, but an interesting trend in games specifically is that many gamers are starting to see past that, and it actually discourages interest and purchases. EA is probably too big to care, but authenticity is key. Eventually, stealing from cooler, smarter people is going to stop working for them.
I just remember what you said years ago: "best friend, lover, or arch enemy, all are just a few clicks away." Even ignoring the other problems with the Sims 4, the shallowness of the gameplay just keeps it all "meh" no matter how much DLC EA releases.
As a lifelong EA hater, I will admit it's frustrating having to upgrade to the bland base game after every new Sims release (which becomes even more annoying as the base games continue to get worse as standalone titles), so I'm not fundamentally opposed to a permanent Sims platform so I don't have to pay a billion dollars for pets, seasons, and nightlife AGAIN. I think we've all made that complaint at least once. But why oh why did it have to be The Sims 4 that they kept around, with its bland personalities and musical chairs and spontaneous push ups and 5 distinct animations in total with thousands of lines of mere flavor text. I wish we could have gotten one more engine upgrade to TS5 with a major focus on efficiency and animation variety in the sims themselves, since they almost have building nailed down. I'd even give up an open world if we could at least have efficent open "neighborhoods" like the Sims 4 approach but with open houses.
Of course, a much better solution to this is to do what any other game studio would do, which would be to repurpose the instutional knowledge you've already made with the last 4 entries, use that institutional knowledge to put that content in the new base game in the first place at a major man-hours discount, and monetize *new* content and the increased user experience brought about by your modern game engine. There's no reason why the base Sims 4 doesn't have RAIN when RPGs like Pokemon and Morrowind could pull off dynamic weather in 2003.
On the bright side, a modern top of the line gaming PC can finally sort of run The Sims 3 + EPs with what I'd call "almost good" performance so booting that up again 15 years later *almost* felt like getting a new Sims game....
It's easy to see this situation from our perspective as old time players and think negatively about it. I remember when this game came out, I was about 11, and super excited. I've been playing this game at this point on and off for 10 YEARS and it's why I'm tired of it. But most of the playerbase is relatiely new, they didn't have time to get tired of the same constant loop yet.
Isn't that depressing to think about? I was 12 when Sims 4 came out. I had only ever played a bit of 1 but a lot of 3. I've played on and off 4 for the past 10 years and it never holds my attention past cas like 3 did. But I can imagine that if I was a 12 year old now playing sims 4 and only ever sims 4, if someone handed me sims 3 to play I'd say it was ugly and not give it a chance. Too bad
It's been 20 years since The Sims 2. We're never getting an interesting entry in the franchise again.
I'm just waiting for a game to do for The Sims what Cities: Skyline did for SimCity at this point.
Clint/LGR is the only Sims reviewer I trust at this point.
i used to watch other reviewers, until they got in some early access program with EA and now it's illegal for them to say anything bad about the sims. kinda makes me sad because i liked their content up until i had to watch them pretend to get hyped over the 50th rabbit hole in the game coming in whatever latest expansion
NotMalcolm is great
@@Te3time Are they? In that case, I'll check them out. I'm so tired of the videos that are more ad than review.
Over* $1000 of expansions. Jeez... I miss the old days where you get a complete game and actually play it to unlock stuff. Every now and then we get something like that, but at least from these big publishers that seems more and more rare. Thanks for the rant.
The Sims truly pioneered this model all the way back to the beginning. Nothing has changed.
@@Hebdomad7games in the 1990s had expansion packs but yeah the Sims took it way over the top
They’re gonna “disrupt the sequel model”? You mean the natural progression of things? Improvement? They can’t be serious
My interpretation is that they're trying to steer away from the numerical naming convention because it brings with it the expectation of reimagining the previous iteration, but better/improved, etc. I suppose I get that - from a business standpoint it makes sense considering how large the player base is for TS4. Since it went FTP, the player base almost doubled. A great business move I guess to continue to support it and profit off of all the newer players with more DLC and whatnot.
So glad you noted that Project Rene was never intended to be The Sims 5. Everything was exceptionally vague; plus they noted it would be developed and launched alongside The Sims 4, so it wasn't meant to be it's successor.
And I said the EXACT same thing about the creator kits! Contractors, they don't need to pay a full-time employee benefits, etc. A cost effective way to bring new content, involve the community, but also save a significant buck.
I'd bet the new Sims games, whatever they may be, will be subscription based. They've already tested out the in-game rewards and quests components of live service games. Though I enjoy TS4 greatly, I do share a lot of your thoughts and feelings as well!
Thanks for taking the time to make this video and share your thoughts, LGR! I've always enjoyed your stuff.
You could argue The Sims is not in a very good place right now but honestly the whole gaming industry is in a pretty bad place too, with little hope for the future.
@@LGR At-least we can still find solace in over four decades of brilliant video games from the past, more than enough to cover a backlog for a lifetime.
Honestly didn't mean for that comment to come off as all doom and gloom though, there really is an ocean of great content to salvage from the past and indie games will likely not be very taxing on my aging i7 8700k and RTX 2070 Super for the foreseeable future so I'm not all that worried about the future of gaming even if it does look bleak. Just a bummer that AAA gaming has ended up in the place it has with out-of-control budgets and development schedules, greedy monetization practices on-top of price spikes, and hardware inadequacies plaguing games in areas where they weren't a problem in the past.
It's all so tragic yea, it feels like the initial push to do something fun that everyone enjoys turned into "how much we can squeeze" A lot of old games are my go to, now more than ever for that reason.
I've played a lot of awesome games in the last year. Some old, some new. Many AA and indie devs/pubs are still carrying the torch and honouring the craft.
Just let the trash take itself out, like Concord did recently. The AAA live service model is slowly collapsing on itself, while for instance Satisfactory had 80k concurrent viewers on all streaming platforms for their 1.0 release stream followed by pretty high player counts and raving reviews.
It's just one example...
IMHO it's getting better, slow but steadily. The weight of the super huge games is crushing companies, and the live service model has already filled their possible market. Concord and Suicide squad were the canaries, it will be flop after flop until things change.
And in this case, making Sims 4 into MP and keeping it going forward is completely unsustainable. Other games made specifically for MP that have had constant updates are barely holding and incredibly hard to maintain. I don't see how EA can do this, and i doubt that they've kept most of the staff that worked the core coding of the game around after so long. And you can tell just by looking at how each expansion and update gets buggier than the last. The tape holding the game together is giving out.
Ehhhh nah, the gaming industry as a whole is fine. We got some big failures, but the amount of great games and big successes really shows me the industry is in a nice spot.
The most sad thing for me is that it is so easy to monetize The Sims. They've done brand deals before, they've done celebrity crossovers before. They've worked with fashion brands and interior design brands constantly before. And creator content, other games have used that before, to great success. This is easy to do.
But EA is so up their own butt. They can make a few million a year, but if you say, "Hey, if you spend that $1mil, you could earn $30mil," they start gagging as if you told them to eat their dog.
It's just the rot of corporate greed in AAA, that sucked the soul out of everything everyone loved. Now every big AAA studio keeps releasing stinkers, and are confused why they didn't make "the next Star Wars" with board-room decided features and sterile corporate creations. I don't hate new games. But man, these AAA studios make me want to, sometimes.
When people gobble up mediocre games and products, those will be what we get served.
I still remember your two years of “meh” look back on the Sims 4 back in 2016. To think it’s now been a full decade and we’re still on the same game…
I think the biggest thing to me about the whole engine/base game upgrade is:
Some issues we have had since release day, like simulation lag, ‘musical chairs’, etc.
If it were possible for them to fix this stuff (and in a way that doesn’t break all of their DLC) would they not have done it already?
Sims 4 and all of its packs is basically the “overconsumption core” trend as a video game
I honestly think they are looking at it like this: "We have 85 million players buying stuff and making us rich.... Why should we create a Sims 5 and start from zero? That's a huge gamble!". I'm not a sims player myself but my partner plays Sims4 a lot. One of the core pain points for me is the technology. Long loading times, UI that doesn't scale with modern resolutions, a disjointed world system. Yup. the game needs a completely overhauled engine for modern hardware.
And they're honestly falling into one of the dumbest pitfalls of game developing. Making such a game into multiplayer will be hell, 10 years of spaghetti code to deal with; no sane programmer was in the same room this decision was taken. I think they'll be stuck in dev hell for years until it fizzes out and a new exec sees a Sims 5 as a good way to sell the same expansions again.
Vote with your dollar! I blacklisted EA and Ubisoft in my steam. Eventually, they will listen.
honestly comparing your Sims 3 videos to your Sims 4 you can see the enthusiasm for the series slowly die out and be replaced with just boredom and almost a contempt. And like when they lose someone so dedicated to the series it’s a huge warning sign they’re ignoring.
Thanks for the update, time to download a, uh, "backup" of Sims 4 and a ton of mods before it goes full live service mess.
And then once again go back to Sims 2 😂
As a Destiny 2 fan, I feel this. No new entry, just keep adding more mediocre content seems to be the general direction the industry is moving.
Feels like everyone saw Minecraft's success and thought they could just do that again.
Unfortunately its cheaper to add more then start with a new project. Cause thats sadly the mindset for alot of higher ups, I say higher ups cause in this day and age most Devs don't even have control over what they want/can make, is to make more and more money not prioritize player enjoyment.
@@mjdxp5688Minecraft has so few updates, as a result of the Game 15+ year old engine. While the recreated one in C++ is just buggy