Pentium PRO is ONLY good for 32 bit apps! They have a 16 bit "bug" that makes them superslow in DOS and 16 bit. There are many videos about it. A so called "flush" feature in the CPU makes it have to do twice the same in 16 bit. Thats why MANY MANY MANY was disappointed thinking that buyingf a PRO was superior to gaming and what not! Turned out this was a PRO cpu only for PRO work in 32 bit apps! This is a fact and many videos about it. The normal Pentium was way better at dos and 16 bit because of it did not have this flush feature! But the PRO was of corse superior in 32 bit apps! ... In the next generation Intel fixed this, but the Pentium PRO also due to its naming became a nightmare to gamers spending a fortune thinking this was the best choice for games and windows 16 bit apps.
you should donate more , I'm a owner of a bunch of pentium III S tualatin 1.4ghz cpus , but I can"t find compatible motherboards , especially dual socket . the few available on ebay are exaggeratedly over priced $400 or sometimes $600
Running Bentley Microstation or AUTOCAD R13/14 would be a good benchmark test for a 90's workstation. Especially if the computer was used by a telecommunications business.
That case made me laugh out loud at work. I used to work for Teleflora, I worked at the Oklahoma City office, not Paragould, but I did work with them. I actually have one of those workstations at home. I got one after they were decommissioned. T1 built them for their higher end customers. The hot glue and tape was standard as it was T1's version of "military grade". Basically they were supposed to withstand a drop of a certain height (6 feet, I believe), so hot glue was their solution. The case was made by Lian-Li, the same company that built the Megaluminum Monster. The one I have at home is the same aluminum case as the said Monster. I've intended to message you to see if you wanted the Tandberg drive and controller card from mine, but I see you have one now.
I've worked with other tape drives of that era but not this one so I'll ask you: Does that tape have a write protect scheme of some sort and is it causing those errors? (Although it should say tape is write protected if that's the reason)
@@TheOtherBill it does have write protect, but it's pretty obvious when it's on, it's a big red plastic "switch". And his were brand new, so it wouldn't be in accidentally.
@@KlipschHead281 Yup, crazy that these were the first multi-processors by Intel. I worked at a CAD/drafting shop that ran NT 4 way back. We needed dual PPros to run AutoCAD.
@@purplepeak8575 Nice. Multiple processes makes a difference that we take for granted nowadays. It's crazy how many cores are on die now and how many processes run simultaneously. Back in the PPros days, the motherboards could do 2 to 4-way CPUs. I heard 8-way was possible, like with IBM's stuff, but I never worked with those board. Nowadays, many CPUs have 4 cores if not more. To think that most of what Clint does on LGR is single thread, single process, single CPU. This vid is the beginning of the multi-processing advancements.
@@AdBlock-User No IDE hard disk: "Damn, those alien bastards are gonna pay for shooting up my hard drive!" RAM Error: "Get that crap outta here." Successful POST: "Hail to the king, baby"
I appreciate that you have good subtitles. I have a speech processing disorder and your audio dynamic range is very easy to listen to and your subtitles are absolutely perfect. Thank you for being accessible!
@@SeeJayPlayGamesmaybe for PPRO it wasn't all that worthwhile cost wise but a couple years later you could rig together a dual celeron rig with NT4 and have a really solid experience. This is what I did (dual boot with Linux). People don't remember how unresponsive single core systems used to be. The step up to dual CPU was a revelation.
I started my career building an NT 4.0 server and a number of workstations - the amount of times I yelled at my monitor during this "don't worry, it'll detected the 2nd processor", "yup, 2GB was the limit", "don't worry it'll convert to NTFS", etc. was SO MUCH FUN. Thanks for the GREAT blast from my past!
NT4 was quite the interesting OS…fond memories of having to reboot in order to acquire a new DHCP lease…6 Service Packs in total back when those were still a thing. But setup correctly with good hardware, NT was a best compared to regular Windows 3.11 or 95 🤘
The reason keen was so slow is the NT4 fully buffered VGA ram access, so instead of writing to the video card the dos app writes to a ram buffer and then NT writes it out to video. This was done to fully isolate dos apps. It's also why the sound blaster doesn't work.
Would you mind explaining that a bit further? I don’t understand what that buffering achieved. Isn’t the isolation part achieved by having the memory region access protected? So as long as the dos apps couldn’t access anything outside that region it should be fine. And therefore mapping the memory would have worked I guess.
@@Dangling-Pointer yes, and that’s what they did starting in NT 5.0, aka Windows 2000. I suspect they were just being overly conservative and didn’t view it as a significant cost given the target market of NT 4.
WHAAAAAT??? That case was from MY hometown??? I remember driving by that Teleflora office almost everyday, and I even had a few family friends who worked there! Man, it is truly a once-in-a-lifetime thing to hear one of your favorite RUclipsrs stumble upon your small town by complete chance!
I used to work in an IT department in 2000 and built plenty of NT4 systems. When computers started getting much faster, and you logged off of NT account, the system would wait until the log off sound would play entirely before presenting you with the login window. Thought that was pretty hilarious back in the day.
Windows 98 would play the whole sound too. I had a minute long song as a shutdown sound for a while and noticed it would play the whole file before continuing.
I found NT 3.51 having some neat features to allow ROM diskless booting from network cards. (or a floppy) - I used it to boot PC, then select different install media (Win98, NT 3.51 or DOS)
This really touched me, because many retro enthusiasts usually focus on the 9x series and XP, but NT 4.0 is often overlooked. It has the same appearance as Windows 95, which leads many to mistakenly believe that it works the same way. However, once you actually use it, you realize they're completely different. Just dealing with the drivers and software support separately for 95 and NT 4.0 is enough to drive you crazy. When you get into NT 4.0, you'll discover an interface that's deep and complex, clearly designed for engineers without any "dummy mode." But for hardcore enthusiasts, this makes it even more fascinating to dig into. Keep up the good work!
@18:40 I used to work at a Harbor Freight, and indeed, "I don't *need* one, but you know..." was what everyone said when they bought one of those knives.
I had a talking bios and I loved it as a kid, felt so scifi. Pentium 4 prebuilt beige box back in 2001, Asus motherboard I believe. "System completed power on self test, computer now booting to operating system" was its full spiel.
The speech is provided by a Winbond W83791SD chip. I've heard it on an Asus A8N-SLI Premium (very fancy socket 939 motherboard, sadly dead) as well as on the original P4B, which I think was the first motherboard to use this technology.
41:22 This takes me back. My friend's older brother had an NT machine with a Matrox Millennium (and an AWE32) back in '98. He showed us exactly this, Quake 2 in OpenGL running at ~1 FPS and said "Now imagine this ... running smoothly." We were blown away. 😁
My best friend in Highschool spent a summer working at a baseball stadium to get both a Matrix Millennium and a fancy 21 inch 1600x1200 monitor. Don't ask how much it cost. It really blew my crap (forgot what I had) card out of the water. That said, I always teased him about haling that 70 pound thing when we did lan partys. I might of had a crappy 800x600 monitor but at least I didn't throw my back out when I was 16.
This era is one where I started my tech career. First recommendation, SCSI hard drive to boot off of *however* make sure you have working SCSI drivers first as they’ll be needed in the boot process probably. Workstations of this era and especially that Mobo would have done IDE as an afterthought, hence the weird CD issues. Also during this time, removeable media came around and I suspect NT4 didn’t consider that thus that could also be the above problem if it is treating IDE as non-removeable storage but isn’t clearing the cache before it powers down. That could also relate to the USB driver install. But I’d suggest SCSI boot drive. Also, while I love the big foot drives, they couldn’t compete with SCSI in performance. Also, I’m surprised no one has made a website to spit out 3D printed IO shields for the back of the case. Drag and drop your ports in place, save as a specific model, etc. I am not talented enough to make but can’t be THAT complex.
This takes me back 25 years. I was floundering academically in college and took a break in 1999. I didn't know crap about computers and I decided to jump right into a MCSE program ("MCSE's earn on average more than $80k/year!") in NT 4.0. I was a little out of my depth and then Windows 2000 was right around the corner making the course near obsolete. By the time I got into the workforce, seeing a NT 4.0 machine was like seeing a unicorn. Never did get that MCSE credential. Not being diagnosed with ADHD until your mid-30s, folks.
“ADHD didn’t exist back in my day” I’ve heard a thousand times. It sure did Hubert, you just blamed the people for it like it is a personal failing instead of helping in any way. Anyway, I’m glad you did get diagnosed eventually even if you deserved to be seen earlier! 💛
@@mialemon6186 I was more on the inattentive side. I was able to skate by with it until 8th or 9th grade before my grades went from A's and B's to B's, C's, and the occasional D. And then it got completely masked when I was diagnosed with depression at 16.
As an old dude who paid $400 cash in a "back door deal" for 8 MB/ram in Sept 1995 to run Windows 95 better on my 486 sx-50 (no math coprocessor) 512 MB is insane. That rig in 1996 would have been 5 figures plus. I used to lust after the dual P-Pro 200 - remember they had that RISC capability? Also I think Quake had actual dual processor / SMP support by the way too. Maybe Quake 2? What a case, what a rig, what a setup and what a video. Love that you took the time to clean and fully restore this buying new castors. Another LGR masterpiece as always.
Seeing Asymetrix 3D FX absolutely blew my mind! I had this program on my first computer as a kid, Windows 95, no sound card, no CD drive, but a Lexmark X11 printer and this program!!! I've not been able to find this program anywhere, at least not in a usable form. I was super psyched to see this finally again after all these years. It took ages to fully render and and then print out a full page of whatever I made, but I used to make little CD covers and wall art with this program. One was a truck with a giant TV loaded in the bed, I remember. Thank you so much for showing this! Never knew that it came on a Matrox CD, that's why I could never find it. Also never got a chance to use Windows NT, so thank you for bringing both of these to life for me today!!!
This video brought me back to a summer break from college. Microsoft sent out free beta copies of NT 4 and I scrapped together some parts and built a little PC to run it on. It was familiar but different at the same time! I managed to get IIS working on it and hosted a tiny website that I would dial into from upstairs on a 14.4 modem :).
Matrox was my first video card. My Dad was a drafter and needed it for AutoCad. We had dual 21 inch CRTs, making me king of the neighborhood. I thought so anyway.
I know this is primarily a retro PC gaming channel, but I absolutely love 80s and 90s workstation hardware of all brands and stripes. I wish there were more channels that showed off this kind of stuff... but it's hard to come across. So as soon as I read the title I was excited! And I appreciate how this system was demoed in a fair way, not just running games, and also running it's proper OS. So thanks, Clint! I'd love to see more of this kinda content in the future!
I had a desktop system, Dual Pentium Pro, 166mhz system for many years as my daily driver back in the day.... got it in 1996... Windows 95 ran beautifully on it.... Come the release of Win98, I was able to use Multi-link Modems for about an avg of 80kpbs speeds... then I got 1-way cable (For those who don't know, 1 way cable is a single box, Download is via Coax, and Upload is via Phone Line), and with that system, downloading FreeBSD ISO, I was able to reach 95mbit downloads, in 1999.... Truly a powerhouse of a system.... I was able to upgrade the processors to 200mhz and get more ram.... and the stability was just insane. Once windows 2000 came out... I was able to get a Daily Use uptime of over 2 years. Sadly that system no longer exists as a PSU Going back fried the board.... It was awesome while it lasted that's for sure!
Pentium PRO is ONLY good for 32 bit apps! They have a 16 bit "bug" that makes them superslow in DOS and 16 bit. There are many videos about it. A so called "flush" feature in the CPU makes it have to do twice the same in 16 bit. Thats why MANY MANY MANY was disappointed thinking that buyingf a PRO was superior to gaming and what not! Turned out this was a PRO cpu only for PRO work in 32 bit apps! This is a fact and many videos about it. The normal Pentium was way better at dos and 16 bit because of it did not have this flush feature! But the PRO was of corse superior in 32 bit apps! ... In the next generation Intel fixed this, but the Pentium PRO also due to its naming became a nightmare to gamers spending a fortune thinking this was the best choice for games and windows 16 bit apps.
Since LGR foods is on permanent Hiatus can we get an LGR odds & Ends where you talk about your deck project and how its coming across. Heck the 8 bit guy did a bunch of videos like that, especially when he built his new studio. I would love to see it.
But also not far at all. Still the same mounting hardware, still the same protocols just dressed up. We've come so far technologically but the actual physical pc standard has changed hardly at all.
I believe Pentium Pro had an issue where if you run 32 bit and 16 bit processes at the same time it would slow down dramatically making it worse that the standard pentium for things like dos which might be what is going on.
A 200 Mhz PPro even if significantly slower, could have been still crazy-fast for dukenukem3d or even better for a lame commander keen, dont you think so? We have played these on 486dx2-66, and it was still running acceptable. A PPro 200Mhz would run circles around such slow 486s, even if running in that strange 16bit slowdown mode.
@@ricsip You'd think so, but no. The issue is mainly to do with maths and the register sizes. The Intel designers did not expect people to be running 16 bit code on the Pentium Pro. It was indeed worse than a 486 when doing maths. And games do a lot of maths. It's far too complicated to explain in the comments. But if you search RUclips, you'll find plenty of illsutrative videos that shows you in one picture that would take me several boring paragraphs to even attempt to explain.
Indeed, I took drafting classes in high school in the late 90s. From a 1998 tech upgrade until after I graduated in 2001, all the school PCs were running Windows NT4 with a Novell network. So yah, AutoCAD on NT4 is a somewhat familiar thing for me. 😎 (As are a couple other programs like Chief Architect.) Though the drafting classroom computers were nothing quite like _this_ beast! 😁
Really fun watching you discover Windows NT 4. That was actually the first version of Windows I ever used! Unlike most kids my age who got the Win9x experience, my dad refused to get anything DOS-based back then. Until the mid-90s we were a Mac household (classic Mac OS up through 9), but around '97-'98 switched to our first PC, a Pentium II tower on which we installed Windows NT 4 and later upgraded to Windows 2000. It turned out being convenient growing up on that platform, because when Windows eventually became entirely NT-based in the form of WinXP, I was more familiar with it than my peers coming from the 95/98/ME lineage. So much NT 4.0 dna persisted (and still does even into modern Windows), that I remember you could install NT 4.0 tools to add functionality to XP, like the Security Configuration Manager Tool for NT, which would add back the File Properties Security Tab that Microsoft disabled in XP Home Edition. 🤣
This video has everything the great LGR videos have. An interesting case, cleaning, a unit with clues of its past life, an unusual OS, interesting bios, driver hunting, unusual media formats, parts hunting from storage... love it all!
Also, I remember from back then, you had to install an inf file to activate plug and play detection: Locate the Pnpisa. inf file in the Drvlib\Pnpisa\ folder (ex. x86) on the Windows NT 4.0 CD-ROM. Right-click the Pnpisa. inf file, and then click Install on the menu that appears. Restart your computer.
Wasn't the point of NT4 and subsequently NT5 (2000) to not use plug and play to keep the install streamlined or something? I use to work for the air force and dod reimaging workstations and we had a driver suite of only exactly what programs and drivers were needed
@@jsteezy80 I wouldn't be surprised if it was purposely omitted to reduce any potential stability issues. I do remember plug and play on Windows 95 being (sometimes) unstable, there's that infamous video of that tech guy plugging in a scanner at the Microsoft show for 95 and it bluescreens and restarts, to much applause lol. NT seemed like a very lean version of windows 95, just a lot more stable (No MS Dos for one!) Ah how I miss Windows 2k Professional!
That will only work for ISA cards (it's in the name) and generally only works to allow it to detect and potentially work with some BIOS-configured ISA PNP cards. It's not full PNP support nor will it work with PCI. It's mainly intended for a handful of Sound Blaster cards and will be automatically installed as part of their drivers, IIRC.
I was lucky to score a PR440FX with dual Pentium Pro 180’s in 1998 or so for pretty cheap. This machine served as a server (running Solaris/x86 and eventually FreeBSD) and as a workstation (running Windows NT 4 and 2000) for many years. I think i finally took it out of service in 2008 or so. I have many fond memories of this motherboard - it is rock solid, flexible, and quite performant for its time.
I used to build specs for a firm like this one in the vid in the UK back in the 90's. I was 24 and the 1st one I built we had to buy in the case from the US. I built it all and it cost a fortune. It was for a ISP back in 1997. Of course with it being US the voltage was switched for US. I plugged in the kettle lead powered in and BANG!!....every component blown!! good times....exciting times....a frontier time!! hahaha
That little switch was so critical back in the day, seemed like a lot of stuff we bought in the UK came set to 120V... I guess a lot more was coming from the USA back then.
My first IT job out of the military was supporting NT4. Ahh.. the good old day. I got a lol when you tried that 6GB drive. I don't remember running into that install drive limit because I think most drives we used where not even that large yet. I remember configuring dual CPU workstations and being amazed how "smooth" they felt vs. a single core cpu we where used to back in the day. As great as it was I could never afford or justify the price back then.
I miss my Pentium Pro motherboard, It was the only motherboard I had with an ISA slot. I gave it to one of my professors to use as a visual aid in their lectures for describing PC components. They said that it was nice to have a board with a processor that was large enough to see from the back of the classroom, so at least it was useful.
Hi Clint, Just saw you on the panel at VCF and didn't want to bother you afterwards, but I just wanted to say, thanks for doing this work. Your videos bring me a lot of joy and it's always a bright spot when I get to watch a new LGR video.
Thanks for a great video. I had a custom built Pentium Pro 200MHz w/256k cache, SCSI-3, 128MB RAM and Matrox Millenium w/8MB. The processing for SolidWorks was very fast back in 1996. The Matrox card was inadequate for 3D CAD, an upgrade to dual boot Windows 95 and NT 4.0, a Diamond FireGL 1000 graphics card along with a Monster 3D (3D/FX) card made it great for gaming and 3D CAD. It's lack of MMX started to make it irrelevant for gaming a couple years later. I later updated to a Pentium II 400 MHz PC which felt noticeably slower in some respects, probably due to the P2 400's L2 cache not being on-chip.
Cool video @LGR ! I used to troubleshoot old PCs like this in the early 2000s. Regarding your boot issue, my first suspect would be the BIOS battery. Back in the olden days some computers would refuse to boot if the BIOS battery was low. After that, my second suspect would be boot order - both the boot order of the BIOS and the jumper settings on the HDD. I found that setting my jumpers to "cable select" and putting my boot drive at the end of the cable was the most reliable way to go.
This takes me back to college in '96. A handful of guys in my dorm were making and selling computers out of their dorm room. They had a lot people requesting network card upgrades because the school had ethernet which was mind blowing.
My older brother was a 3D animator and his first PC that he built specifically for work had dual Pentium II’s and man was that thing a beast! (By like 1996 standards lol). He then went on to do some work for Zeiss the optics company and he did the 3D for the Pixar logo with the jumping lamp. Unfortunately tho, his life was cut short and he passed away in 1998 but man I’ll nvr forget what a crazy machine that was back in the day and def something he was rly proud of.
Machines like these were what I grew up on at home. We never had pre-packaged, personal computers. We always built our own professional rigs. This is the way.
Oh man, I love this. I haven't been keeping up with you as much in the last couple of years and this takes me right back to the days of the Woodgrain 486 and the Megaluminum Monster. Whenever you build these niche and completely over my budget for the period computers, I geek out to the limit. That's why I'm still subscribed, great fun.
I got a job at a small insurance company just before Y2K and my boss was a rebel - my NT Workstation was open to the Internet and he expected me to keep it secure any way I wanted. I learned a lot about system administration and security - my daily log checks were interesting.
God this rules; I've always wanted to see you cover the more workstationy side of Windows - these old versions of NT, the insanely powerful for the time systems that ran them etc. Honestly for a first attempt with this sorta system, it didn't turn out too bad! Also that is one hell of a case, and just... the way this thing chomps through multitasking productivity shit like it's nothing is crazy. Really cool to see NT 4.0 in action too - the ways that it it's like 95 aesthetically whilst so clearly being its own thing that preceded 2000 and XP is fascinating. Also - coolest startup sound in Windows' history
Perfect cozy viewing. Thanks Clint. Edit - On the tape drive - run a cleaner on it - sounds stupid I know - but I used to have to clean those types of drives all the time - that may help the tape backup run.
About the start-up issue, the BIOS should have an option somewhere called 'Hard Drive spin-up time'. increasing the delay gives the HDD enough time to spin up before the OS is loaded. The BIOS: 'You load now!' Quantum Bigfoot: 'But I'm still sleepy, one more minute please?' 😂
I’m so proud of you LGR, I’m 40 this year and you make me feel still young even though I love old tech. A beautiful testament to what you do and this community. So thank you so much for this and keep being amazing 🎉🎉😊❤
18:13 immediately got to this and recognized the song in the background. easily my favorite song ngl and certainly an interesting appearance. Your Love by The Outfield. great song.
Just decided this content is far more interesting to me than the beginning of the Soccer European Championship. Greeting from Germany! btw: This case looks freaking awesome! Edit: There is a nice YT from RetroBytes - Pentium Pro, was it a lemon ? - that perfectly explains why the Pentium Pro sucked at 16-bit applications, and was a beast within a purely 32-bit environment. Worth watching!
That's not the "old days"... back in the "old days" we had 8 bit computers with just a few Kilobytes of RAM, and a cassette recorder to store and load programs, and maybe a floppy disk if we were really lucky! 😉 Someone will come along and tell us that in the "old days" the first computer they used had vacuum tubes and punched cards or paper tape, and filled the ground floor of a building. I guess these things are relative. 😂
There's something beautiful about loving a thing for the thing itself. Not for how advanced or new or cutting-edge it is. But just for what it is. How it was made. How it came to be and what it does because of that. It's why I love older consoles and hardware. I don't think many modern things can compete with a PS2 or a Gamecube in terms of how much I love the things for what they are.
The bios speech was on almost all Asus high end board between 2000 and 2005ish. I have a collection of all asus A8N boards, and they all have the POST reporter. Funny thing is that it's customizable. You can put your own voice in there if you wanted.
Back in the day, I worked in a computer store that built primarily with ASUS motherboards. They all came with that stupid speech BIOS thing enabled. We had to remember to disable it because it was confuse/scare the crap out of customers. 🤣
That sounds like fun! I'd look high and low for a way to have it sound like HAL9000. I used to have a theme for my Win98 that had all the sound bytes from the film! ;-] Dave: "Open the pod bay doors, Hal..." _"I'm sorry, Dave, but I'm afraid I can't do that..."_
I had more dead Quantum Bigfoots than any other hard drive back in the day. I'm amazed there are any that still actually work. They sound cool but were mostly trash.
Hello LGR, In the late 90's I built a dual CPU system based around the Abit BP6 mobo, with dual Intel Celeron 466's overclocked to 525 MHz, I was the coolest dude at work 🙂
As someone who is fairly familiar with Windows NT, it's fun to see the amazement as the novelty of it in someone who never really worked on it back in the day.
The Pentium Pro processors are getting hard to find, because they contain about 1/3rd of a gram of gold in them. Because of that, the scrappers like them.
Yeah I doubt there's any left to be discovered really, to get one you kinda have to go to a collector since the scrappers have been searching them out for a long time now. I think the very late models aren't as desirable to them, the gold plating was removed from the IHS and they just have a black top, there's possibly some of these still in the wild.
Lemme know your ideas for upgrades and things to test/tweak on this build! Lots of potential here.
Do you think you'll do VCF West eventually?
Any chance we can come see you at the new Microcenter in Charlotte??
That would be awesome, i have to make the trek down there from up in the great north one day.
Are you going to check out 8bit guys new arcade?
I'll be driving down as soon as I finish dealing with my tires! But I'm about 5 hours away so I'll probably miss most or all of what's going on today
Wheels AND a door?!?!? It’s practically a car!!!
And it costed as much as a car!
It's more of a car than the Renault Twizy then, the doors are optional extras on that.
I'd drive it
Imagine popping the E-Brake on this bad boy and drifting it to a LAN party
@@SkyOctopus1 NGL, I'd love to shoehorn a stupid motorbikle engine into a Twizy, haha
Glad to see my donation (motherboard, CPU's, RAM) went to good use! Looking forward to seeing the future video covering Windows NT!
That's so awesome!
Thanks for helping show us this. All of this stuff was before my time and is fascinating.
Pentium PRO is ONLY good for 32 bit apps! They have a 16 bit "bug" that makes them superslow in DOS and 16 bit. There are many videos about it. A so called "flush" feature in the CPU makes it have to do twice the same in 16 bit. Thats why MANY MANY MANY was disappointed thinking that buyingf a PRO was superior to gaming and what not! Turned out this was a PRO cpu only for PRO work in 32 bit apps! This is a fact and many videos about it. The normal Pentium was way better at dos and 16 bit because of it did not have this flush feature! But the PRO was of corse superior in 32 bit apps! ... In the next generation Intel fixed this, but the Pentium PRO also due to its naming became a nightmare to gamers spending a fortune thinking this was the best choice for games and windows 16 bit apps.
you should donate more , I'm a owner of a bunch of pentium III S tualatin 1.4ghz cpus , but I can"t find compatible motherboards , especially dual socket . the few available on ebay are exaggeratedly over priced $400 or sometimes $600
@@Themantogoto it was a great time and i loved it to be without merkelchilds at the year 2000 updates in big buisness
"this is not a gaming system"
*proceeds to install and play games*
If it’s not recommend it must be attempted.
What else are ya gonna do? Unless you're one of those weirdos that gets off on looking at spreadsheets...
@@mushroomsamba82 Is that why weird Al printed them out on his bedsheets?
Running Bentley Microstation or AUTOCAD R13/14 would be a good benchmark test for a 90's workstation. Especially if the computer was used by a telecommunications business.
@@LGR It's tempting to attempt something. I don't feel sorry for making that pun.
Blocking out the thermal paste at 16:55 is a brilliant move. This man is a master of avoiding controversy.
But he learned, the hard way
I don't get it. Whats controversial about it?
@@mato87 Just normal internet nerds calling, only this specific method is the right one and others are all wrong.
@@Swisshost Just never show your soldering technique. The bridges will empty of trolls racing to tell you what you are doing wrong.
That case made me laugh out loud at work. I used to work for Teleflora, I worked at the Oklahoma City office, not Paragould, but I did work with them. I actually have one of those workstations at home. I got one after they were decommissioned. T1 built them for their higher end customers. The hot glue and tape was standard as it was T1's version of "military grade". Basically they were supposed to withstand a drop of a certain height (6 feet, I believe), so hot glue was their solution.
The case was made by Lian-Li, the same company that built the Megaluminum Monster. The one I have at home is the same aluminum case as the said Monster. I've intended to message you to see if you wanted the Tandberg drive and controller card from mine, but I see you have one now.
i'm sure he'd love a backup.....shit pun entirely intended....
Probably his Tandberg drive is broken, so I suggest you wait a bit, before throwing yours away.
I've worked with other tape drives of that era but not this one so I'll ask you: Does that tape have a write protect scheme of some sort and is it causing those errors? (Although it should say tape is write protected if that's the reason)
@@d.e.v.z.e.r.o I've already messaged him on Patreon
@@TheOtherBill it does have write protect, but it's pretty obvious when it's on, it's a big red plastic "switch". And his were brand new, so it wouldn't be in accidentally.
Having a dual cpu setup in the single core days must have made you feel like god
It made Windows NT run like butter.
@@KlipschHead281 Yup, crazy that these were the first multi-processors by Intel. I worked at a CAD/drafting shop that ran NT 4 way back. We needed dual PPros to run AutoCAD.
Absolutely. I got a Dual Slot 1 motherboard and got 2 Pentium 3s in there with Windows 2000 and it feels incredibly.
@@purplepeak8575 Nice. Multiple processes makes a difference that we take for granted nowadays.
It's crazy how many cores are on die now and how many processes run simultaneously. Back in the PPros days, the motherboards could do 2 to 4-way CPUs. I heard 8-way was possible, like with IBM's stuff, but I never worked with those board. Nowadays, many CPUs have 4 cores if not more. To think that most of what Clint does on LGR is single thread, single process, single CPU. This vid is the beginning of the multi-processing advancements.
@@vap0rtranz 4 Cores has been standard for a long time now. Mainly because of lack of innovation from Intel.
That talking BIOS is really something
Yeah i hope he change them with his Duke Nukem voice.
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No IDE hard disk: "Damn, those alien bastards are gonna pay for shooting up my hard drive!"
RAM Error: "Get that crap outta here."
Successful POST: "Hail to the king, baby"
@@gentuxable Yeah Perfect!!! Hope Clint see this.
made my jaw drop, it sounds so crunchy and cool
"Good morning Dave." NO!
I appreciate that you have good subtitles. I have a speech processing disorder and your audio dynamic range is very easy to listen to and your subtitles are absolutely perfect. Thank you for being accessible!
And I am a non-native english speaker and I feel better reading than listening
As a fellow Haver of an auditory disability, I agree. I love channels that put the effort into adding quality subtitles.
My buddy in high school had a Windows NT workstation running dual Pentium 200's... to say everyone was jealous of him was an understatement lol.
and looking at this, one wonders why... honestly for all the money it cost, not worth it.
@@SeeJayPlayGames this was back in '99, I'm sure the prices weren't as egregious since the Pentium II and K6-2 were becoming more mainstream.
I reminder my college roommate’s bought him a Dell with a Pentium processor running 100 MHz. We were all drooling.
@@livefreeprintguns I assure you, it was still expensive, just for a dual-socket MB alone.
@@SeeJayPlayGamesmaybe for PPRO it wasn't all that worthwhile cost wise but a couple years later you could rig together a dual celeron rig with NT4 and have a really solid experience. This is what I did (dual boot with Linux). People don't remember how unresponsive single core systems used to be. The step up to dual CPU was a revelation.
I started my career building an NT 4.0 server and a number of workstations - the amount of times I yelled at my monitor during this "don't worry, it'll detected the 2nd processor", "yup, 2GB was the limit", "don't worry it'll convert to NTFS", etc. was SO MUCH FUN. Thanks for the GREAT blast from my past!
@@bukaratmuhammad9995NoThInG eVeR hApPeNs
NT4 was quite the interesting OS…fond memories of having to reboot in order to acquire a new DHCP lease…6 Service Packs in total back when those were still a thing. But setup correctly with good hardware, NT was a best compared to regular Windows 3.11 or 95 🤘
and "there is no device manager"
Win2000 was a breeze compared to this, thanking myself for not trying out the older NT OSes lol
Wait did the Pentium Pro not have PAE support? I thought a lot of these chips often times just straight up support 4gb if not more
The reason keen was so slow is the NT4 fully buffered VGA ram access, so instead of writing to the video card the dos app writes to a ram buffer and then NT writes it out to video. This was done to fully isolate dos apps. It's also why the sound blaster doesn't work.
Additionally Pentium pros are not good with 8 and 16 bit code.
Guess overlays weren't a thing back then?
Would you mind explaining that a bit further? I don’t understand what that buffering achieved. Isn’t the isolation part achieved by having the memory region access protected? So as long as the dos apps couldn’t access anything outside that region it should be fine. And therefore mapping the memory would have worked I guess.
@@Dangling-Pointer yes, and that’s what they did starting in NT 5.0, aka Windows 2000. I suspect they were just being overly conservative and didn’t view it as a significant cost given the target market of NT 4.
They specifically had issues running 8 and 16 bit games. Try Tomb Raider.
"I don't know anything!" - Clint ... proceeds to demonstrate a Herculean grasp of everything....
WHAAAAAT??? That case was from MY hometown??? I remember driving by that Teleflora office almost everyday, and I even had a few family friends who worked there! Man, it is truly a once-in-a-lifetime thing to hear one of your favorite RUclipsrs stumble upon your small town by complete chance!
Love that you can lock the smoked plastic door and then pull the entire front panel off 😂
I used to work in an IT department in 2000 and built plenty of NT4 systems. When computers started getting much faster, and you logged off of NT account, the system would wait until the log off sound would play entirely before presenting you with the login window. Thought that was pretty hilarious back in the day.
So in other words, you can annoy people for having it play a 30 minute long wav file as the logout tone.
It was still like that on Windows XP as far as I recall.
Windows 98 would play the whole sound too. I had a minute long song as a shutdown sound for a while and noticed it would play the whole file before continuing.
I found NT 3.51 having some neat features to allow ROM diskless booting from network cards. (or a floppy) - I used it to boot PC, then select different install media (Win98, NT 3.51 or DOS)
@@richkawaiipikachu If you were willing to sacrifice the 250 megabytes or so of hard drive space it would take to store such a thing, sure.
The taller the case the more powerful the computer.
There's mini, mid, full, and Sears
Pentium pro cpu is massive, you need a big boy case for that
The tallerer the case, the gooderer.
It's monster case for my..magnum processor
I would call that a Full Tower case.
This really touched me, because many retro enthusiasts usually focus on the 9x series and XP, but NT 4.0 is often overlooked. It has the same appearance as Windows 95, which leads many to mistakenly believe that it works the same way. However, once you actually use it, you realize they're completely different. Just dealing with the drivers and software support separately for 95 and NT 4.0 is enough to drive you crazy. When you get into NT 4.0, you'll discover an interface that's deep and complex, clearly designed for engineers without any "dummy mode." But for hardcore enthusiasts, this makes it even more fascinating to dig into. Keep up the good work!
@18:40 I used to work at a Harbor Freight, and indeed, "I don't *need* one, but you know..." was what everyone said when they bought one of those knives.
I sure did lol
I had a talking bios and I loved it as a kid, felt so scifi. Pentium 4 prebuilt beige box back in 2001, Asus motherboard I believe.
"System completed power on self test, computer now booting to operating system" was its full spiel.
These things really needed a setting to only speak on critical error
The speech is provided by a Winbond W83791SD chip. I've heard it on an Asus A8N-SLI Premium (very fancy socket 939 motherboard, sadly dead) as well as on the original P4B, which I think was the first motherboard to use this technology.
that's so cool, had no idea this exists, I want it on my modern PC for real
41:22 This takes me back. My friend's older brother had an NT machine with a Matrox Millennium (and an AWE32) back in '98. He showed us exactly this, Quake 2 in OpenGL running at ~1 FPS and said "Now imagine this ... running smoothly." We were blown away. 😁
My best friend in Highschool spent a summer working at a baseball stadium to get both a Matrix Millennium and a fancy 21 inch 1600x1200 monitor. Don't ask how much it cost. It really blew my crap (forgot what I had) card out of the water.
That said, I always teased him about haling that 70 pound thing when we did lan partys. I might of had a crappy 800x600 monitor but at least I didn't throw my back out when I was 16.
This era is one where I started my tech career.
First recommendation, SCSI hard drive to boot off of *however* make sure you have working SCSI drivers first as they’ll be needed in the boot process probably. Workstations of this era and especially that Mobo would have done IDE as an afterthought, hence the weird CD issues.
Also during this time, removeable media came around and I suspect NT4 didn’t consider that thus that could also be the above problem if it is treating IDE as non-removeable storage but isn’t clearing the cache before it powers down.
That could also relate to the USB driver install.
But I’d suggest SCSI boot drive.
Also, while I love the big foot drives, they couldn’t compete with SCSI in performance.
Also, I’m surprised no one has made a website to spit out 3D printed IO shields for the back of the case. Drag and drop your ports in place, save as a specific model, etc. I am not talented enough to make but can’t be THAT complex.
Yes, maybe going to the config.sys and move the scsi driver up so it loads first may solve the problem. Too long ago, but hope its the fix.
Could watch this sort of videos all the time. From step by step to editing, great video.
Thank you!
I love the use of "Too Hot for TV" to avoid the ridiculous debates on how to apply thermal paste.
This takes me back 25 years. I was floundering academically in college and took a break in 1999. I didn't know crap about computers and I decided to jump right into a MCSE program ("MCSE's earn on average more than $80k/year!") in NT 4.0. I was a little out of my depth and then Windows 2000 was right around the corner making the course near obsolete. By the time I got into the workforce, seeing a NT 4.0 machine was like seeing a unicorn.
Never did get that MCSE credential.
Not being diagnosed with ADHD until your mid-30s, folks.
I hear ya. I was nearly 40 before I was diagnosed with ADHD and put on medication.
“ADHD didn’t exist back in my day” I’ve heard a thousand times.
It sure did Hubert, you just blamed the people for it like it is a personal failing instead of helping in any way.
Anyway, I’m glad you did get diagnosed eventually even if you deserved to be seen earlier! 💛
@@mialemon6186 I was more on the inattentive side. I was able to skate by with it until 8th or 9th grade before my grades went from A's and B's to B's, C's, and the occasional D. And then it got completely masked when I was diagnosed with depression at 16.
Beige and smoked glass is an iconic combination, what a tank!
It’s pretty average as far as mid-90s cases go,actually. A full server case is significantly taller and deeper.
Pretty classy too
that plexiglass was probably transparent 30 years ago when the case was manufactured 🤣
As an old dude who paid $400 cash in a "back door deal" for 8 MB/ram in Sept 1995 to run Windows 95 better on my 486 sx-50 (no math coprocessor) 512 MB is insane. That rig in 1996 would have been 5 figures plus. I used to lust after the dual P-Pro 200 - remember they had that RISC capability? Also I think Quake had actual dual processor / SMP support by the way too. Maybe Quake 2? What a case, what a rig, what a setup and what a video. Love that you took the time to clean and fully restore this buying new castors. Another LGR masterpiece as always.
Quake 3 has "incomplete" SMP support too, works with GPU acceleration too.
I love these old workstations. The quality and sheer "power" they give off... it's got such a vibe
Seeing Asymetrix 3D FX absolutely blew my mind! I had this program on my first computer as a kid, Windows 95, no sound card, no CD drive, but a Lexmark X11 printer and this program!!! I've not been able to find this program anywhere, at least not in a usable form. I was super psyched to see this finally again after all these years. It took ages to fully render and and then print out a full page of whatever I made, but I used to make little CD covers and wall art with this program. One was a truck with a giant TV loaded in the bed, I remember. Thank you so much for showing this! Never knew that it came on a Matrox CD, that's why I could never find it. Also never got a chance to use Windows NT, so thank you for bringing both of these to life for me today!!!
This video brought me back to a summer break from college. Microsoft sent out free beta copies of NT 4 and I scrapped together some parts and built a little PC to run it on. It was familiar but different at the same time! I managed to get IIS working on it and hosted a tiny website that I would dial into from upstairs on a 14.4 modem :).
When Clint showed that drive my inner Druaga1 came out and said "Its a Quantum BIGFOOT!"
I have a bigfoot waiting to go in a retro build. I think it's 8gb
They sound pretty cool when seeking.
On ice!
@@volvo09 They do sound amazing. Such a beast of a drive.
Gimme the power, bitch!
this ain't no maxtor
The smokey glass gives it a seventies vibe, like a seventies coffee table. If it had wood side paneling it would be even more awesome!
Don't give him ideas! He already has multiple woodgrain computers!
Matrox was my first video card. My Dad was a drafter and needed it for AutoCad. We had dual 21 inch CRTs, making me king of the neighborhood. I thought so anyway.
Same here. Matrox mystique. And I even became to be a draftsman myself.
I know this is primarily a retro PC gaming channel,
but I absolutely love 80s and 90s workstation hardware of all brands and stripes.
I wish there were more channels that showed off this kind of stuff... but it's hard to come across.
So as soon as I read the title I was excited! And I appreciate how this system was demoed in a fair way,
not just running games, and also running it's proper OS. So thanks, Clint! I'd love to see more of this kinda content in the future!
I had a desktop system, Dual Pentium Pro, 166mhz system for many years as my daily driver back in the day.... got it in 1996... Windows 95 ran beautifully on it.... Come the release of Win98, I was able to use Multi-link Modems for about an avg of 80kpbs speeds... then I got 1-way cable (For those who don't know, 1 way cable is a single box, Download is via Coax, and Upload is via Phone Line), and with that system, downloading FreeBSD ISO, I was able to reach 95mbit downloads, in 1999.... Truly a powerhouse of a system.... I was able to upgrade the processors to 200mhz and get more ram.... and the stability was just insane. Once windows 2000 came out... I was able to get a Daily Use uptime of over 2 years. Sadly that system no longer exists as a PSU Going back fried the board.... It was awesome while it lasted that's for sure!
Pentium PRO is ONLY good for 32 bit apps! They have a 16 bit "bug" that makes them superslow in DOS and 16 bit. There are many videos about it. A so called "flush" feature in the CPU makes it have to do twice the same in 16 bit. Thats why MANY MANY MANY was disappointed thinking that buyingf a PRO was superior to gaming and what not! Turned out this was a PRO cpu only for PRO work in 32 bit apps! This is a fact and many videos about it. The normal Pentium was way better at dos and 16 bit because of it did not have this flush feature! But the PRO was of corse superior in 32 bit apps! ... In the next generation Intel fixed this, but the Pentium PRO also due to its naming became a nightmare to gamers spending a fortune thinking this was the best choice for games and windows 16 bit apps.
Since LGR foods is on permanent Hiatus can we get an LGR odds & Ends where you talk about your deck project and how its coming across. Heck the 8 bit guy did a bunch of videos like that, especially when he built his new studio. I would love to see it.
With the ammount of 90s stuff Clint has I'm sure he will figure out how to build a portal to the 90s in due time.
Yes mush to say!
When it happens, I'm going with him
@@hamc9477 Yes a scratch on her! *Slaps top, wheel falls off*
Be sure to warn them about the upcoming tragedy: Windows ME
Now we just need a nice color printer to complete the setup 😌
{Audible background sounds of plastic smashing into a wall}
Only if the printer is an enterprise grade Mannesman Tally dot matrix.
I see what you did there 😂
Dot Matrix colour you must mean? 24 pin hopefully for superb resolution.
As long as it's a bubble jet.
I can't get over how cool that case is
"They've hot-glued everything in place?" I like how that didn't blow your mind and you mostly shrugged it off lol
@@tim3172 Outrage over nothing? But he's just "advocating for the customer" by telling them what they should be outraged about for 30 minutes.
i love how these old vintage pcs remind us how far we have come in a relitively short period of time
Cheap disposable phone has way more power than this system
But also not far at all. Still the same mounting hardware, still the same protocols just dressed up. We've come so far technologically but the actual physical pc standard has changed hardly at all.
@@dreed100 Why so confrontational?
ECAD software that used to require a Sun Workstation far more expensive than this now runs on a $1000 desktop PC.
@@fus132 am i? Sorry. Not meant to
I believe Pentium Pro had an issue where if you run 32 bit and 16 bit processes at the same time it would slow down dramatically making it worse that the standard pentium for things like dos which might be what is going on.
Yes. Running pure 32-bit code on them was great, though.
A 200 Mhz PPro even if significantly slower, could have been still crazy-fast for dukenukem3d or even better for a lame commander keen, dont you think so? We have played these on 486dx2-66, and it was still running acceptable. A PPro 200Mhz would run circles around such slow 486s, even if running in that strange 16bit slowdown mode.
Epitronics (I think) posted a video that deals with this type of issue, I think.
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You'd think so, but no. The issue is mainly to do with maths and the register sizes. The Intel designers did not expect people to be running 16 bit code on the Pentium Pro. It was indeed worse than a 486 when doing maths. And games do a lot of maths.
It's far too complicated to explain in the comments. But if you search RUclips, you'll find plenty of illsutrative videos that shows you in one picture that would take me several boring paragraphs to even attempt to explain.
@@curtdawe RetroBytes did as well. Unless that's who you were thinking of.
Man AutoCAD on NT4... there's some nostalgia I wasn't expecting this morning.
I was waiting to see some 3D Studio going
Indeed, I took drafting classes in high school in the late 90s. From a 1998 tech upgrade until after I graduated in 2001, all the school PCs were running Windows NT4 with a Novell network. So yah, AutoCAD on NT4 is a somewhat familiar thing for me. 😎 (As are a couple other programs like Chief Architect.) Though the drafting classroom computers were nothing quite like _this_ beast! 😁
Really fun watching you discover Windows NT 4. That was actually the first version of Windows I ever used!
Unlike most kids my age who got the Win9x experience, my dad refused to get anything DOS-based back then. Until the mid-90s we were a Mac household (classic Mac OS up through 9), but around '97-'98 switched to our first PC, a Pentium II tower on which we installed Windows NT 4 and later upgraded to Windows 2000. It turned out being convenient growing up on that platform, because when Windows eventually became entirely NT-based in the form of WinXP, I was more familiar with it than my peers coming from the 95/98/ME lineage.
So much NT 4.0 dna persisted (and still does even into modern Windows), that I remember you could install NT 4.0 tools to add functionality to XP, like the Security Configuration Manager Tool for NT, which would add back the File Properties Security Tab that Microsoft disabled in XP Home Edition. 🤣
This video has everything the great LGR videos have. An interesting case, cleaning, a unit with clues of its past life, an unusual OS, interesting bios, driver hunting, unusual media formats, parts hunting from storage... love it all!
that door is one of the best things I have ever seen! Smoke tinted acrylic just looks right
Also, I remember from back then, you had to install an inf file to activate plug and play detection:
Locate the Pnpisa. inf file in the Drvlib\Pnpisa\ folder (ex. x86) on the Windows NT 4.0 CD-ROM.
Right-click the Pnpisa. inf file, and then click Install on the menu that appears.
Restart your computer.
Nice!
Wasn't the point of NT4 and subsequently NT5 (2000) to not use plug and play to keep the install streamlined or something? I use to work for the air force and dod reimaging workstations and we had a driver suite of only exactly what programs and drivers were needed
@@jsteezy80 I wouldn't be surprised if it was purposely omitted to reduce any potential stability issues.
I do remember plug and play on Windows 95 being (sometimes) unstable, there's that infamous video of that tech guy plugging in a scanner at the Microsoft show for 95 and it bluescreens and restarts, to much applause lol.
NT seemed like a very lean version of windows 95, just a lot more stable (No MS Dos for one!)
Ah how I miss Windows 2k Professional!
That will only work for ISA cards (it's in the name) and generally only works to allow it to detect and potentially work with some BIOS-configured ISA PNP cards. It's not full PNP support nor will it work with PCI. It's mainly intended for a handful of Sound Blaster cards and will be automatically installed as part of their drivers, IIRC.
@@Scoth42 Nice, thanks!
I was lucky to score a PR440FX with dual Pentium Pro 180’s in 1998 or so for pretty cheap. This machine served as a server (running Solaris/x86 and eventually FreeBSD) and as a workstation (running Windows NT 4 and 2000) for many years. I think i finally took it out of service in 2008 or so. I have many fond memories of this motherboard - it is rock solid, flexible, and quite performant for its time.
Nothing is the world makes me happier than watching LGR fight our 90's technology difficulties in real time. LOL
Just commenting to say I typically have no idea what youre talking about, but its still comfy and fun to watch
I used to build specs for a firm like this one in the vid in the UK back in the 90's. I was 24 and the 1st one I built we had to buy in the case from the US. I built it all and it cost a fortune. It was for a ISP back in 1997. Of course with it being US the voltage was switched for US. I plugged in the kettle lead powered in and BANG!!....every component blown!! good times....exciting times....a frontier time!! hahaha
In the early 90s we made the same mistake with a £3000 340MByte hard drive.
That little switch was so critical back in the day, seemed like a lot of stuff we bought in the UK came set to 120V... I guess a lot more was coming from the USA back then.
I'm a simple man. I see wheels on a PC case and Clint in the same frame, I give a like.
yes maxtor
My first IT job out of the military was supporting NT4. Ahh.. the good old day. I got a lol when you tried that 6GB drive. I don't remember running into that install drive limit because I think most drives we used where not even that large yet.
I remember configuring dual CPU workstations and being amazed how "smooth" they felt vs. a single core cpu we where used to back in the day. As great as it was I could never afford or justify the price back then.
I miss my Pentium Pro motherboard, It was the only motherboard I had with an ISA slot. I gave it to one of my professors to use as a visual aid in their lectures for describing PC components. They said that it was nice to have a board with a processor that was large enough to see from the back of the classroom, so at least it was useful.
It’s crazy to think Clint is so successful with what he does, he can build a whole new deck. HAVE YOU SEEN THE PRICE OF LUMBER?!
For real. Apparently all the trees died in the pandemic. :-P
You're basically building my first work PC I was provisioned when I started my career. Nice job! NT4 was fun to do battle with!
Now THIS is the LGR content I crave.
Hi Clint,
Just saw you on the panel at VCF and didn't want to bother you afterwards, but I just wanted to say, thanks for doing this work. Your videos bring me a lot of joy and it's always a bright spot when I get to watch a new LGR video.
Thanks for a great video. I had a custom built Pentium Pro 200MHz w/256k cache, SCSI-3, 128MB RAM and Matrox Millenium w/8MB. The processing for SolidWorks was very fast back in 1996. The Matrox card was inadequate for 3D CAD, an upgrade to dual boot Windows 95 and NT 4.0, a Diamond FireGL 1000 graphics card along with a Monster 3D (3D/FX) card made it great for gaming and 3D CAD. It's lack of MMX started to make it irrelevant for gaming a couple years later. I later updated to a Pentium II 400 MHz PC which felt noticeably slower in some respects, probably due to the P2 400's L2 cache not being on-chip.
Cool video @LGR ! I used to troubleshoot old PCs like this in the early 2000s. Regarding your boot issue, my first suspect would be the BIOS battery. Back in the olden days some computers would refuse to boot if the BIOS battery was low. After that, my second suspect would be boot order - both the boot order of the BIOS and the jumper settings on the HDD. I found that setting my jumpers to "cable select" and putting my boot drive at the end of the cable was the most reliable way to go.
Next time: hot glue can be dissolved with isopropanol (I usually use more than 90%), which softens the hot glue and make it come off of surfaces
21:34
This takes me back to college in '96. A handful of guys in my dorm were making and selling computers out of their dorm room. They had a lot people requesting network card upgrades because the school had ethernet which was mind blowing.
The teleflorist thing is a good example of filling a need. Brilliant.
My older brother was a 3D animator and his first PC that he built specifically for work had dual Pentium II’s and man was that thing a beast! (By like 1996 standards lol).
He then went on to do some work for Zeiss the optics company and he did the 3D for the Pixar logo with the jumping lamp. Unfortunately tho, his life was cut short and he passed away in 1998 but man I’ll nvr forget what a crazy machine that was back in the day and def something he was rly proud of.
Machines like these were what I grew up on at home. We never had pre-packaged, personal computers. We always built our own professional rigs. This is the way.
Honestly, these are my favorite types of videos you do.
25:26 the QUANTUM BIGFOOT! Man, I miss Druaga1........
Yes Hp bar though lol
I had forgotton about Duraga1. Wonder what happened. Used to like his videos.
it's Druaga
Dude, loved the video as always. Such an old computer cozy vibe. Like playing Diablo while it's cold, dark, and rainy outside with a warm cup of tea.
30:59 Its' amazing to see Clint geek out over something unfamiliar; that seems to rarely happen on this channel. :)
Oh man, I love this. I haven't been keeping up with you as much in the last couple of years and this takes me right back to the days of the Woodgrain 486 and the Megaluminum Monster. Whenever you build these niche and completely over my budget for the period computers, I geek out to the limit. That's why I'm still subscribed, great fun.
I got a job at a small insurance company just before Y2K and my boss was a rebel - my NT Workstation was open to the Internet and he expected me to keep it secure any way I wanted. I learned a lot about system administration and security - my daily log checks were interesting.
41:16 that is no longer measured in frames a second, but in seconds per frame.
It’s honestly impressive in how infrequently frames show up, ha
God this rules; I've always wanted to see you cover the more workstationy side of Windows - these old versions of NT, the insanely powerful for the time systems that ran them etc. Honestly for a first attempt with this sorta system, it didn't turn out too bad! Also that is one hell of a case, and just... the way this thing chomps through multitasking productivity shit like it's nothing is crazy. Really cool to see NT 4.0 in action too - the ways that it it's like 95 aesthetically whilst so clearly being its own thing that preceded 2000 and XP is fascinating. Also - coolest startup sound in Windows' history
Perfect cozy viewing. Thanks Clint.
Edit - On the tape drive - run a cleaner on it - sounds stupid I know - but I used to have to clean those types of drives all the time - that may help the tape backup run.
Any chance the tapes are set to write protect?
The thermal paste application is fantastic. Awesome build.
About the start-up issue, the BIOS should have an option somewhere called 'Hard Drive spin-up time'. increasing the delay gives the HDD enough time to spin up before the OS is loaded.
The BIOS:
'You load now!'
Quantum Bigfoot:
'But I'm still sleepy, one more minute please?'
😂
"Not tonight, babe. I'm building a new computer from 1996". "Police. Yeah, it's me again".
I’m so proud of you LGR, I’m 40 this year and you make me feel still young even though I love old tech. A beautiful testament to what you do and this community. So thank you so much for this and keep being amazing 🎉🎉😊❤
18:13 immediately got to this and recognized the song in the background. easily my favorite song ngl and certainly an interesting appearance. Your Love by The Outfield. great song.
Just decided this content is far more interesting to me than the beginning of the Soccer European Championship.
Greeting from Germany!
btw: This case looks freaking awesome!
Edit: There is a nice YT from RetroBytes - Pentium Pro, was it a lemon ? - that perfectly explains why the Pentium Pro sucked at 16-bit applications, and was a beast within a purely 32-bit environment. Worth watching!
I remember the old days... when we had to add a PCI card that had a huge heat sink on it for a 5V to 3.3V linear regulator. It was weird times...
That's not the "old days"... back in the "old days" we had 8 bit computers with just a few Kilobytes of RAM, and a cassette recorder to store and load programs, and maybe a floppy disk if we were really lucky! 😉 Someone will come along and tell us that in the "old days" the first computer they used had vacuum tubes and punched cards or paper tape, and filled the ground floor of a building. I guess these things are relative. 😂
I had the Pentium Pro 180mhz system in the mid 90s. One of my favourite chips
There's something beautiful about loving a thing for the thing itself. Not for how advanced or new or cutting-edge it is. But just for what it is. How it was made. How it came to be and what it does because of that. It's why I love older consoles and hardware. I don't think many modern things can compete with a PS2 or a Gamecube in terms of how much I love the things for what they are.
LOVED the video. Those are the days of building computers I miss.
Words cannot express how much I want that workstation case.
The bios speech was on almost all Asus high end board between 2000 and 2005ish. I have a collection of all asus A8N boards, and they all have the POST reporter. Funny thing is that it's customizable. You can put your own voice in there if you wanted.
They really should bring it back. I could easy see newer ASUS boards like the modern day ROG Strix motherboards have a Speech POST reporter on it.
Really valuable video, school memories. I remember Windows NT very well... wonderful times
Perfect viewing on a wet Saturday breakfast morning here in the UK.
Perhaps you could replace the sounds in that talking BIOS error thing with your wonderful Duke Nukem impression.
I used to build dual Pentium's at Vtech back around '95. I wish I saved one, it was an incredible machine.
Vtech, as in the kids computer company?
Back in the day, I worked in a computer store that built primarily with ASUS motherboards. They all came with that stupid speech BIOS thing enabled. We had to remember to disable it because it was confuse/scare the crap out of customers. 🤣
Thats hilarious! xD
@@TheInternetLord Sometimes, when our system QA guy wasn't looking, we'd leave the setting on and turn his speakers up full blast. Got him every time.
That sounds like fun! I'd look high and low for a way to have it sound like HAL9000. I used to have a theme for my Win98 that had all the sound bytes from the film! ;-]
Dave: "Open the pod bay doors, Hal..."
_"I'm sorry, Dave, but I'm afraid I can't do that..."_
NT4 hold s a spot in my heart, as I used it for many years at the university for work and LAN gaming 🙂
It was the very 1st OS that introduced me to domains and networking.
Funny how fast PC's changed. I had most pc's you show, but i forgot most of it. Brings back memories. We are spoiled now.
25:26 I KNEW YOU HAD A STASH OF THEM, YOU ABSOLUTE GOD. BIGFOOT FOR LIFE!!!
I had more dead Quantum Bigfoots than any other hard drive back in the day. I'm amazed there are any that still actually work. They sound cool but were mostly trash.
new lgr video calms my soul
Ah yes, that used to be a power house computer setup at the time. Exciting and cool to see you making this build with this hardware!
Hello LGR, In the late 90's I built a dual CPU system based around the Abit BP6 mobo, with dual Intel Celeron 466's overclocked to 525 MHz, I was the coolest dude at work 🙂
As someone who is fairly familiar with Windows NT, it's fun to see the amazement as the novelty of it in someone who never really worked on it back in the day.
another great idea for a video,
I LOVE THAT CASE
The Pentium Pro processors are getting hard to find, because they contain about 1/3rd of a gram of gold in them. Because of that, the scrappers like them.
Which equals about $25-$30. For a single chip, that's a literal gold mine.
I remember seeing that they were the most desirable processor for gold recovery.
I have one in my stash of crap, but no board.
Dang! I had many of the PPros and didn't think of scrapping them.
Yeah I doubt there's any left to be discovered really, to get one you kinda have to go to a collector since the scrappers have been searching them out for a long time now.
I think the very late models aren't as desirable to them, the gold plating was removed from the IHS and they just have a black top, there's possibly some of these still in the wild.
@@Toonrick12 Which is FAR less than the actual CPU is worth so scrapping them for gold is idiotic.