We should do a live stream together and just have a bro-hang-AMA about all kinds of lighting. I've been firing up live streams late Saturday morning US central time. People seem to be digging it. Thanks for another great video 👍🏼👍🏼
I used these with an 8ft ceiling, starting my plants with the lights about 5 feet from the pots. When the plants get bigger, they can tolerate more light. I had plants that grew to within inches of the lights, with zero burn on the plants. Went from yielding 4-5 lbs to over 9 with the same number of plants, and the same genetics. It's more a matter of letting the seedlings not get light poisoning, they'll adjust, and go crazy once they get some size. If you're growing tall ass Christmas trees, then it's a problem. Keep them bent down and the room cool, and you'll get gains like you've never seen before. Don't listen to this bullshit, you're restricting your capabilities.
I call BS on that. A plant getting within inches of a 1000de and not getting burnt?? Yeah, no. I’ve grown with Hellion 600/750 that are arguably the coolest running reflectors with the super spreaders fitted, in a heavily airconditioned room and even on 750 you have to be careful and an close then a bit over a foot and you can either get taco shelling of leaves including trim leaves or fox tailing. Unless you’re running pretty high levels of CO2 as well there’s no way what you said is remotely true, and even so the inches within a 1000de is BS. The ppfd would be off the charts but the radiant heat alone would be insane.
The only reason I have ANY 1000 se in my set up is because I could not find a 4th double bulb raptor, because they were discontinued. So I have three, with 6 600s, checkering red and blue, and then one single bulb raptor with a 1k, then 2 radiant 8s, one with a 1k and one with a 600. You can get better buds from 600s, and if you use them right the yield can be the same as 1k lights. Again, great video
I have a 1000w DE on a mover over a 6'x8' in a 10'x11'x8' room with an active intake and I haven't had to run an AC to cool my room yet but I'm preparing for the temperatures to start getting back up there in the NW. I'm considering getting another 1000w and mover to max out the room but then I'm pretty sure I'll need to run an AC no matter what. Thank you for the helpful videos!
This is a great video about some quick points about sodium bulbs and how their relative cost to entry can be cheaper. I grow indoors with LEDs but I still bust out a sodium bulb at home in the winters because like the video says, they put off significant heat. 600w HPS will cover a 4x4 area pretty well or tighter if you're growing something like cannabis that requires more intensity. It's challenging to control the heat levels in the summer which is where the LEDs help since no extra cooling is needed. Prices have come down a lot on quantum boards and other LED light setups, it just requires some research so you don't just pay a middle man a premium price.
One 1K DE light will cover a 10x10 foot space. There's no need for 2 in a 5x10 foot space. So you're saving money on power with the DE, and spending more and creating more heat with 3/600's.
Great how you rattle off the facts - like a Grow Rapper. Agreed. 1000W Bulbs are almost certainly a mistake with an 8' ceiling - an Expert with Air Cooled lighting might get away with it, but they'd be too busy to watch this. With DE 6/7's there's a chance to get down to 18" away (without cooling, but with good room air circulation) but you'll need to grow Seeds for a few seasons to acclimate the strain to the conditions. Way far away at 24" should always be OK or you should try a different variety - close saves electricity, far away is for multiple Fixtures and Sun supplementation. If you can afford quality LEDs so much the better.
If you have small place yeah a 400 will do the job just fine ^^ Im using a 1000watt but i need to turn it down to 750 anyway because my ceiling is too low!
@@GodNuVo would you not be better with a 600w, not sure about DE but normal HPS bulbs perform really bad when you dim them. Edit, guessing you just put a 750w bulb when the ballast is set to that so it won't be out of spectrum, prolly better than a 600w for yoooour situation then 😁
@@HAPPYHERBS1 No im using a 1000watt Bulb i had no idea it was bad for the spectrum. I learn thing every day thanks for the info ill take a look into that!!
i've been growing 35 years and have had my 1000 watt lamps INCHES from my plants, with a fan blowing on them of course....they love it and give me monster buds ...rethink your ad ...im not sure you are familiar with sativas they live in very hot equatorial regions where the sun will burn the flesh off you
Its good advice 600w is efficient some times 2 600w instead of 1000w are sold as units these days but DE have better cri. For all the led crew the photon flux density fields are heavier in HID have more penetration there is no comparison I use osram SSL 80s and hps sorry but there is no comparison a 600w hps is way more efficient than the high end clw led I also use they target 660 nm and trichromes well but fat flowers love hps
If you don’t have the height for the DE you just run at 820. disconnect the ballast from the fixture and run them from outside the room. it’s responsible for a lot of the heat
Nice--I hear that they are significantly more efficent sending more of their energy out as light--less as heat--that is my biggest issue with HID is the heat produced--and the fact that you not only pay for the power that creates that heat--you also have to pay for more power to cool off that heat with AC. But with Ceramic MH and double ended HPS... that numbers are improving. The longevity will be the key factor...how often you have to change out the lights. I am not married to any technology--be it HID, LED or plasma... or whatever else may come up... I look at (1) yield (2) ease of use and (3) electric bills and decide based on those three factors, probably in that order (2 & 3 are probably somewhat inter-changable unless one is very hard to use).
You wanna sell that HPS? I'll buy it from you if you're within 300 miles from St. Louis, Missouri. I'll never convert to LEDs, so I'll buy as many used HIDs setups as i can find.
I just bought an open "gavita" type 1000W DE. Well what a fiasco! First I didn't realize it was 240v, so I had to get a new ballast as I can't mess with the electric where I'm at, second, once I did get everything squared away, turns out a 1000w DE bulb runs hot like a freaking IRON! So I bought a 600w bulb as ill be growing in a very small area. I was used to big open areas and thought I could get away with just running a exhaust duct right on top of the light but considering how hot that little bulb gets, I don't think that's going to work...Anyways, what is the heat difference from a1000w DE compared to the 600w?
Hi Everest! Have you ever tried using LED for vegging and flowering? If the canopy is consistently 75-85 F and the humidity and air circulation are dialed in, why should it matter what type of light that's used? the LED's cover the photosynthesis spectrum and then some. Thanks for another cool video!
I have 4 reservoirs with canopies that are 3x3. Would I be better off lowering the lights and wattage or keeping them as high as possible? My thoughts are I'm wasting a lot of light on the floor if they are higher. I would love your input! Thanks!
Another great one brother. Excellent info here. I have a 600w in a 3x3 and ended up in a cool tube. Works very well but I think a rectangular air cooled reflector is easier to get at for cleaning.
Everest I would like to know what you suggest for a beginner that would like to start growing indoors. I have watched a lot of your videos and enjoy the info you produce but I'm overwhelmed on the info dump. What do you recommend for a budget of $400.
It's funny how you watch this video now and the double ended systems now are cheaper or the same price as single ended, aside from Gavita brand specifically because they have the extra features for remote control via the Gavita Master.
I absolutely love your humor and puns. " 600W HPS in an open fixture can still still produce a footprint of intense light that's ideal for some light hungry species" heh heh
Yo brother I have a large room wich is 19 ft long 14 ft wide and and 12 ft ceiling heights. I want to use 5 1000w de hps fixtures and 4 630w de cmh. Starting with a hps then cmh then hps then cmh etc. So any tips before I begin.. example is this over kill I hear each light covers a 1.2 m2 area maybe slightly more, when using many together. Was thinking of buying a quantum sensor for ppfd readings to so I can be more accurate with hanging heights I will make sure I'm well ventilated and lots of oscillating between canopy and bulbs. I also was going to try the lumatek fixtures mainly because they have large warranty on them and they are UK built which of course should mean less problematic if any issues arise. Look fwd to a helpful reply much appreciated thanks
Will a 400W HPS work for my 10'x2' balcony? The balcony receives bright indirect sunlight but no direct light so I was looking for some supplementation. Would appreciate your help, thanks! Also, how high should I place the light? Will the light be efficient at 6ft above the plants? I'm not sure I'll be able to keep it 2 ft high as I have to cover a wider area
Ok so ive transitioned from magnum xxxls to nanolux de chills.. need the vented hoods in my smaller room and will be excited for the next round. In the other room I have 2 ceramic 600s ( these are replacing 2 'parabolics' which felt too hot) and 4 AC/DEs.. so the ACDEs confuse me.. saw a video where they took the glass off the ACDEs (but kept them vented)because the air only goes around the top.. not around the bulb. there is a 4% light increase but never mentioned the temperature increase. Thats where im struggling.. cant decide to take the glass off before i trellis and its about to be summer here.. hoping the 8" canfan i got today helps to keep the room cool and well pressurized. Any input would help. thanks
+London.City. Genetics I will demonstrate in an upcoming video amigo. I understand that the idea may run contrary to gut feeling - why put something in between the plant and the light? But it's actually genius, especially for short day, heat sensitive crops.
if your planing to grow and get the max yield dont listen to this guy never use a sealed unit as you loose 15 percent of light thru the glass i use the 1000w double ender 2000k bulb with a 8 foot ceiling and i get 2.5 pounds per light of rockstar
Besides heat issues, isnt there a max lux level? For example, if we assume my AC/DE reflector plus mini split can cool my room sufficiently no matter how high/low I set my light height, then lux would become the next issue, right? What height is that? Or what lux measurement is it that after which point the light is reflected as heat?
Thanks for your question. After around 900 umol of PAR light the limiting factor indoors becomes CO2 levels. If you elevate CO2 to 1200 - 1450 PPM (more than three times atmospheric levels) light loving plants can take up to 1500 umol before the law of diminishing returns really kicks in. In practice 700 - 800 umol is ample for growing most light loving flowering species.
Only 21 seconds in and you've already stated false information, Gavita 1000W DE require a minimum of 10 ft ceiling not 15 ft or more (these units are actually manufactured for Greenhouses) ;but the Gavita 6750 (750W) DE work amazing below 10 Ft. The point of using Gavita 1000W DE (or DEs in general) for industrial growing is that you can use less ballasts due to the 5 ft x 6ft footprint rather than the 4 ft x 4 ft footprint of a single ended 1000W bulb. Reducing the amount of lights also reduces the amount of A/C required by a lot and having at least 1 wall mounted fan per light blowing directly in between the bottom of the bulb and the top of the canopy will almost negate the possibility of burning plants (still want at least 3 ft or more for 1000W DEs) completely. You also completely failed to talk about 315W Ceramic Metal Halide bulbs, these things with the Phillips Master 315W bulb absolutely rock for home growing and cost WAY less on the electricity bill. I speak from personally having over 20 years in the horticulture industry and having worked/spent a lot of time hanging out at my good friends horticulture supply store.
I would greatly appreciate if you could make a video on how good Chinese made grow equipment mainly de/ac hoods work. I know your paying less but how much does that effect the quality and is it worth it? Thank you
Awesome information thanks Everett as always however since you got the ACde preview a year or 2 back... I've REALLY been wanting them! But still just running regular air cooled magnum XXL w the glass in FOR THE SIMPLE REASON of I haven't been sold on a safe non detectable digital ballast. Ever since my lumateks had the cable company at the house telling me my setup was causing rf Interference big time (I think it was a nosey ham radio guy bc I never had any issues w cable but the old am radio test proved that I was killing am radio way far from the house.... been on magnetic ballasts since jellous of all the de crops I see
+northCALIFA Ola amigo. The Galaxy Grow Amp is very quiet. The DEva by Revolution Micro is super quiet. (They also sell EMI filters that you can retrofit to old noisy ones). Also a new magnetic ballast came out called "Hardcore" that can run DEs so check that out: www.sunlightsupply.com/shop/bycategory/magnetic-ballasts/sun-system-hard-core-de-remote-ballast
Great video as usual! If I have herbs and leafy greens under a lamp but also a tomato plant or two, should I use a HPS or a MH lamp? Currently have a MH lamp. I've been told MH lamps can explode, is this true? :D
That's why MH lamps are double-jacketed and DE-MH lamps should be housed in a closed (glass) fixture. Have you considered a dual-arctube lamp? Or perhaps 2 x 400W HPS / MH?
It's a 250w MH I'm running. It's in the kitchen due to size constraints, so I don't think I want it much more intense. I haven't heard about dual arctube lamps but if it's an easy switch like between hps/mh then it sounds pretty cool. But if not, would you recommend hps or mh for mostly greens and a little tomato or two?
+maxbastards gotcha. Dual arcs are just 1000W so not for you. The LEC 315 or LEP 270e would be ideal for leafy greens, otherwise T5s or full spectrum LEDs would be the way to go I think.
Okay, appreciate the replies! I'll look at LEC 315 next when the MH is a bit older. It's working really great my only worry is the non glass reflector if it explodes
I've heard that dimming the bulb wastes allot of lumens or something and its better to buy a 600w due to its lumens per watts. But side note, I've always used 1000w SE bulbs for grows but a friend of mine used a 600w and SCROG in a 4x4 closet with 2 plants in a DWC bubbling bucket and pulled almost 3 POUNDS out of that closet! That's more than 1GPW! I wouldn't have believed it if I didn't see it with my own eyes...If you're tight on space, just get a 600w bulb, forget about the dimming of the 1000w
Why have I been experiencing such greener lush plants with my phantom DE open 1000 W lighting than my 1000 watt hortilux bulb/raptor hood/phantom ballast. My canopy under raptor hoods are a brighter green almost bleached, tip burn, nitrogen deficiencies etc.. I used my light meter and found even vented my canopy under raptor hoods are still a few degrees hotter. Under
why not just turn dim down a D/E fixture from 1000w to 600w? Since D/E are more efficient than single ended wouldnt a D/E 1000w dimmed to 600w outperform a single ended 600w?
It’s usually preferable to match your lamp’s native wattage with the desired output, rather than to dim as it causes spectral degradation. A notable exception are optimized lamps such as Adjustawings’ 750W DE-HPS which suffers from virtually no spectral degradation at 600W. This will certainly outperform an SE 600W.
My favorite DE fixtures are the Hellion 750W By Adjust-A-Wings, the DE Boss by Sunlight Supply and the DEva by Revolution Micro. Not used the Nanolux to be fair but the Gavita 1000W DE-HPS requires too high a ceiling for my situation.
When a commercial grow Is too cheap to hang their lights on adjustable hangers this is what you get. Those same grows have to overdrive the bulbs to get an efficient par number from that extreme height
Everest I need some help from the gardening orical , I have a problem with my balls I hope you can help with. I 'm using drain to waste hempy buckets with around 2" of hydroton clay balls in the bottom and a 50/30 mix Coco perlite on top, the problem is my run off pH, the drain hole is 2" up from the bottom of the pot but Everytime I water with a pH of 5.5 my run off pH is 6.8 and it drifts back up to 7.4 by the next day. I'm growing acidic loving plants, I have been pHing my feed down to a pH of 4 to try to correct it but it still has not corrected it self and my run off pH is still very high. I think it's the hydroton balls causing the problem as my run off pH was fine with straight Coco/perlite mix but my roots grow better with the hydroton at the bottom.Any help or ideas would be greatly appreciated appreciated.
+Dave Pallant Hi Dave. Thanks for your questions. Always happy to help with ball-related issues. Firstly, I wouldn't bother with the layer of clay balls at the bottom of the pot for reasons I explain here ( ruclips.net/video/mS7_nm4MLyU/видео.html ) - what is your source water? Tap? RO? What is the starting EC (before adding anything)? Did you pre-soak your balls? I would not use a pH as low as 4 to correct. Go for a more gradual approach. 5-5.5 is a better bet.
Everest Fernandez thanks for the advice, I was starting to panic as I transplanted a week ago and couldn't get my pH level down, but its creeping down now, how long can your pH be out of wack before it starts causing problems ?as my plants look non the worse for it all.
i grow 8/10 plants each 4 months. its enough for me. and this give me the 25 plants/year. those lamps are 15 watt but give 110 watts equivalence. easy to find in supermarket.
no equivelant to anything. light dont work that way..a watt is a watt no mater how you try and missrepresent them. and 3 cfl wont cover enough to grow even 1 plant proper kids. the window sun has more output than your 15 watt tiny cfl
just think what you want .. lumens are enough for grow my plants ... whatever, i admit that i will enjoy to have a better installation,. but i cannot pay more money on this.
+xXb3a5T-N-Xx Hello amigo. Thank you for your question. Let's define a small-scale indoor grow as 4' by 4' or 16 square feet. Using very broad guidelines (multiply sq. feet by between 35 and 50 to give you watts, 35 for efficient lamps / reflectors, 50 for less efficient, or plants that have very high light requirements) that would give a range of 560 to 800 watts. I'm particularly impressed with 750W DE HPS lamps like the one I'm running in the Adjust-a-Wings Hellion. Do you have a grow tent / what space do you have available. Easier to talk in those terms rather than plant numbers. Peace and happy growing, Everest.
Everest Fernandez I'm growing about 5 plants in a closet space .normal closet space nothing huge.really to see what type of quality I can create..pretty much for fun to kill time..any recommendations?!.thanks for the reply as well
yes we have a lot of master growers here .Worked in a hydroponic shop for 15 years so love it when we sell Australian made .I'm currently building a arduous co2 controller and trying to get that off the ground
I was all scared about De lamps. Had my plants like 6 or 7 feet away from the light and had to move them to about 3 to 4 feet away to get decent results. I am super pissed. I know for the next run though.
+DetroitLuv82 Compact reflectors have been all the rage with 1000W DE HPS thanks to all the pics of warehouse grows doing the rounds online. Over the next year we are going to see some different takes on applying the technology. Look out for the Hellion lighting system (you heard it here first ;)) and definitely check out the 600 / 750W DE HPS lamps. I'll be making my way through all this over the coming months. Hope you're subbed ;)
Everest Fernandez Avoid gavita at all costs. Scotts (miraclegrow) company bought them out and they work hand in hand with Monsanto. The two companys plan to spend big money on buying out the hydro industry and turning everything GMO
if I were to get DEs, what happens if I were able to cool the room down to 70 F every part of the room? So now if I don't have heat problems, can there be too much light?
+Flipped Dz Nuts Excess radiant heat from a lamp that is too close will still have a negative effect on your leaves even if you are offsetting convection heat's effect on your air temperature. Heat is a double-horned beast!
great video Everest. itd be nice for those of is just trying to enjoy out garden's to have a decent spot to share info. The rollitups, thc farmer, icmag, firestaxx all hangouts for egotistical butane smokers mostly it seems. my advice is find a good dude like Everest and bounce questions, speaks volumes about a person when they call themselves a growgod at a cannabis site. snacks of being quite conceited! last thing the movement needs is asshats like you see at those sites trolling, using misinformation, or just straight assholes who share a bloodsupply with the site who rage on anyone who makes the mistake of coming across their paths on the internet.
Interesting view; when your done checking the year, turn your attention towards your ambient temperatures, the temperature and light requirements of your chosen plant species, the intended size of your plants, your expectation of canopy penetration, how long you think you want to stay in the game, and your bank account, peace and happy growing. I’ll be talking LEDs soon ;)
@Revy DE hps get way better coverage and far far better penetration then LED. A 750w Hellion will kill any 600w Led fixture, whether it’s 2021 or not. LEDs either have crappy light distribution on par charts with a huge central hotspot, or the multi arm fluency spydr style fixtures get rubbish penetration. With a Hellion you get super dense thick buds all the way to the bottom of the plant even through the upper canopy. No LED can do that, and yes, you know the year. Good for you.
why would you not use fans. lol. sell their to hot but no fans moving or no cooling i see at all. its the shit designed hoods cause, the hot spots. poor info i run them double enders and their fine. hoods suck is all. but i have a proper room with venting and cooling. not seeing any of that in here
+bcmasur I neither agree or disagree. I will experiment! An LEC 630 running Philips Elite Mastercolor CDM 3200 325W lamps made obsolete by LEDs? This has to be put to be test and I hereby humbly volunteer my services! In any case, thanks for watching amigo.
the simple 5:1 red:blue 5050 SMD IP65 strips are SO CHEAP now though, eBay auctions for example. $:$ LED has been beating everything else for years now. The only arguments against LED are valid because "you're doing it wrong"
There’s no need for Trumpisms or polemics amigo. If you are growing plants small or trained to a very low form you could quite happily use a 1000W with a low ceiling, you just don’t have much margin for error. Happy growing.
We should do a live stream together and just have a bro-hang-AMA about all kinds of lighting. I've been firing up live streams late Saturday morning US central time. People seem to be digging it. Thanks for another great video 👍🏼👍🏼
live streams, podcasts, whatever like that don't make sense on youtube because *everything* on youtube is streamed...
THAT WOULD BE AWSOME
Growmau and Ev would be cool
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I used these with an 8ft ceiling, starting my plants with the lights about 5 feet from the pots. When the plants get bigger, they can tolerate more light. I had plants that grew to within inches of the lights, with zero burn on the plants. Went from yielding 4-5 lbs to over 9 with the same number of plants, and the same genetics. It's more a matter of letting the seedlings not get light poisoning, they'll adjust, and go crazy once they get some size.
If you're growing tall ass Christmas trees, then it's a problem. Keep them bent down and the room cool, and you'll get gains like you've never seen before. Don't listen to this bullshit, you're restricting your capabilities.
I call BS on that.
A plant getting within inches of a 1000de and not getting burnt?? Yeah, no.
I’ve grown with Hellion 600/750 that are arguably the coolest running reflectors with the super spreaders fitted, in a heavily airconditioned room and even on 750 you have to be careful and an close then a bit over a foot and you can either get taco shelling of leaves including trim leaves or fox tailing.
Unless you’re running pretty high levels of CO2 as well there’s no way what you said is remotely true, and even so the inches within a 1000de is BS.
The ppfd would be off the charts but the radiant heat alone would be insane.
Don't forget to put a Phresh Intake filter on the inlet end of your air cooled hoods to ensure the glass stays as clean as a whistle on the inside 👍👍👍
+Adam Tanton Very sound advice Adam. I have six on order from a U.K. distributor!
That's a great tip thank you 👍
@@Just4Growers what they cost ya
The only reason I have ANY 1000 se in my set up is because I could not find a 4th double bulb raptor, because they were discontinued. So I have three, with 6 600s, checkering red and blue, and then one single bulb raptor with a 1k, then 2 radiant 8s, one with a 1k and one with a 600. You can get better buds from 600s, and if you use them right the yield can be the same as 1k lights. Again, great video
I have a 1000w DE on a mover over a 6'x8' in a 10'x11'x8' room with an active intake and I haven't had to run an AC to cool my room yet but I'm preparing for the temperatures to start getting back up there in the NW. I'm considering getting another 1000w and mover to max out the room but then I'm pretty sure I'll need to run an AC no matter what.
Thank you for the helpful videos!
This is a great video about some quick points about sodium bulbs and how their relative cost to entry can be cheaper. I grow indoors with LEDs but I still bust out a sodium bulb at home in the winters because like the video says, they put off significant heat. 600w HPS will cover a 4x4 area pretty well or tighter if you're growing something like cannabis that requires more intensity.
It's challenging to control the heat levels in the summer which is where the LEDs help since no extra cooling is needed. Prices have come down a lot on quantum boards and other LED light setups, it just requires some research so you don't just pay a middle man a premium price.
Newer ballast and so on run at over 90% efficiency with DE hps, so a 600w de hps still puts off roughly the same heat as an equal wattage 600w led
great info Everest! I would always choose 3 x 600w over a 5 x 15ft canopy vs. 2 x 1000w over 5 x 10ft
Cheers ✌🤓👊
One 1K DE light will cover a 10x10 foot space. There's no need for 2 in a 5x10 foot space. So you're saving money on power with the DE, and spending more and creating more heat with 3/600's.
Great how you rattle off the facts - like a Grow Rapper.
Agreed. 1000W Bulbs are almost certainly a mistake with an 8' ceiling - an Expert with Air Cooled lighting might get away with it, but they'd be too busy to watch this.
With DE 6/7's there's a chance to get down to 18" away (without cooling, but with good room air circulation) but you'll need to grow Seeds for a few seasons to acclimate the strain to the conditions.
Way far away at 24" should always be OK or you should try a different variety - close saves electricity, far away is for multiple Fixtures and Sun supplementation.
If you can afford quality LEDs so much the better.
Bull shit I run a 1000watt and a 600watt with a 6' ceiling with zero issues
I veg with one 400w MH and flower with two 400w HPS. Seems to work out ok.
If you have small place yeah a 400 will do the job just fine ^^ Im using a 1000watt but i need to turn it down to 750 anyway because my ceiling is too low!
@@GodNuVo would you not be better with a 600w, not sure about DE but normal HPS bulbs perform really bad when you dim them. Edit, guessing you just put a 750w bulb when the ballast is set to that so it won't be out of spectrum, prolly better than a 600w for yoooour situation then 😁
@@HAPPYHERBS1 No im using a 1000watt Bulb i had no idea it was bad for the spectrum. I learn thing every day thanks for the info ill take a look into that!!
Hey shady or anyone else in here, do these DE HPS lights pull more wattsfrom the wall than the led lights ? (Such as sf2000)
i've been growing 35 years and have had my 1000 watt lamps INCHES from my plants, with a fan blowing on them of course....they love it and give me monster buds ...rethink your ad ...im not sure you are familiar with sativas they live in very hot equatorial regions where the sun will burn the flesh off you
john norris I know . The =2000w per square foot are flow air flow
That's true, but you need to be an advanced grower to do that, most people who use small spaces at home, can't do that.
How much cost if I turn my 1000 w growing light 💡 every night 8 hours? Thanks
Started with led, went to hid, back to led and most likely will be going back to hid.
Its good advice 600w is efficient some times 2 600w instead of 1000w are sold as units these days but DE have better cri. For all the led crew the photon flux density fields are heavier in HID have more penetration there is no comparison I use osram SSL 80s and hps sorry but there is no comparison a 600w hps is way more efficient than the high end clw led I also use they target 660 nm and trichromes well but fat flowers love hps
If you don’t have the height for the DE you just run at 820. disconnect the ballast from the fixture and run them from outside the room. it’s responsible for a lot of the heat
i love the 750w gavitas. i replaced my 600w hps with them and ive seen a solid increase in production without a huge temp shift compared to the 600.
I have heard a lot of great things about gavitas.
definitely solid. i have mine about 2 feet above my plants generally with no issues. good penetration and sturdy product.
Nice--I hear that they are significantly more efficent sending more of their energy out as light--less as heat--that is my biggest issue with HID is the heat produced--and the fact that you not only pay for the power that creates that heat--you also have to pay for more power to cool off that heat with AC. But with Ceramic MH and double ended HPS... that numbers are improving. The longevity will be the key factor...how often you have to change out the lights. I am not married to any technology--be it HID, LED or plasma... or whatever else may come up... I look at (1) yield (2) ease of use and (3) electric bills and decide based on those three factors, probably in that order (2 & 3 are probably somewhat inter-changable unless one is very hard to use).
You wanna sell that HPS? I'll buy it from you if you're within 300 miles from St. Louis, Missouri. I'll never convert to LEDs, so I'll buy as many used HIDs setups as i can find.
Man Thanks for this, i almost grilled my plants.
I just bought an open "gavita" type 1000W DE. Well what a fiasco! First I didn't realize it was 240v, so I had to get a new ballast as I can't mess with the electric where I'm at, second, once I did get everything squared away, turns out a 1000w DE bulb runs hot like a freaking IRON! So I bought a 600w bulb as ill be growing in a very small area. I was used to big open areas and thought I could get away with just running a exhaust duct right on top of the light but considering how hot that little bulb gets, I don't think that's going to work...Anyways, what is the heat difference from a1000w DE compared to the 600w?
Hi Everest! Have you ever tried using LED for vegging and flowering? If the canopy is consistently 75-85 F and the humidity and air circulation are dialed in, why should it matter what type of light that's used? the LED's cover the photosynthesis spectrum and then some. Thanks for another cool video!
I have 4 reservoirs with canopies that are 3x3. Would I be better off lowering the lights and wattage or keeping them as high as possible? My thoughts are I'm wasting a lot of light on the floor if they are higher. I would love your input! Thanks!
I can't get enough of your channel
+Heardphin Thanks amigo! Hope you're subbed!
Another great one brother. Excellent info here. I have a 600w in a 3x3 and ended up in a cool tube. Works very well but I think a rectangular air cooled reflector is easier to get at for cleaning.
+condo_grower1 Thanks brother. You're going to love the upcoming vids all about dialing in a tent growing environment.
Everest I would like to know what you suggest for a beginner that would like to start growing indoors. I have watched a lot of your videos and enjoy the info you produce but I'm overwhelmed on the info dump. What do you recommend for a budget of $400.
+Faheed Alajmi you'd like to see "getting started on a budget of $x" sort of videos? Could be a can of worms but I'll give it a go.
It's funny how you watch this video now and the double ended systems now are cheaper or the same price as single ended, aside from Gavita brand specifically because they have the extra features for remote control via the Gavita Master.
I guess because they're relatively new but I wish there were more vids about the plasma emitters
I absolutely love your humor and puns. " 600W HPS in an open fixture can still still produce a footprint of intense light that's ideal for some light hungry species" heh heh
Yo brother I have a large room wich is 19 ft long 14 ft wide and and 12 ft ceiling heights. I want to use 5 1000w de hps fixtures and 4 630w de cmh. Starting with a hps then cmh then hps then cmh etc. So any tips before I begin.. example is this over kill I hear each light covers a 1.2 m2 area maybe slightly more, when using many together. Was thinking of buying a quantum sensor for ppfd readings to so I can be more accurate with hanging heights I will make sure I'm well ventilated and lots of oscillating between canopy and bulbs. I also was going to try the lumatek fixtures mainly because they have large warranty on them and they are UK built which of course should mean less problematic if any issues arise. Look fwd to a helpful reply much appreciated thanks
Will a 400W HPS work for my 10'x2' balcony? The balcony receives bright indirect sunlight but no direct light so I was looking for some supplementation. Would appreciate your help, thanks!
Also, how high should I place the light? Will the light be efficient at 6ft above the plants? I'm not sure I'll be able to keep it 2 ft high as I have to cover a wider area
For solar supplementation HPS is the way forward. How much actual growing space do you want to illuminate / supplement?
ok you just smashed it straight to the points aswell
Ok so ive transitioned from magnum xxxls to nanolux de chills.. need the vented hoods in my smaller room and will be excited for the next round. In the other room I have 2 ceramic 600s ( these are replacing 2 'parabolics' which felt too hot) and 4 AC/DEs.. so the ACDEs confuse me.. saw a video where they took the glass off the ACDEs (but kept them vented)because the air only goes around the top.. not around the bulb. there is a 4% light increase but never mentioned the temperature increase. Thats where im struggling.. cant decide to take the glass off before i trellis and its about to be summer here.. hoping the 8" canfan i got today helps to keep the room cool and well pressurized. Any input would help. thanks
do the light shields that you can get for the adustawings stop allot of direct light?
thanks....you the man!....man!
+London.City. Genetics I will demonstrate in an upcoming video amigo. I understand that the idea may run contrary to gut feeling - why put something in between the plant and the light? But it's actually genius, especially for short day, heat sensitive crops.
if your planing to grow and get the max yield dont listen to this guy never use a sealed unit as you loose 15 percent of light thru the glass i use the 1000w double ender 2000k bulb with a 8 foot ceiling and i get 2.5 pounds per light of rockstar
If I have a dimmable hps 1000 watt light can I bring it down to 600 in the ballast or can I change the bulb to a 600 watt bulb?
I really want the Fluence SpyderX Plus Led lights anyway.
+DetroitLuv82 Funnily enough I was just checking these out this morning. To say I am tempted would be erring grossly into understatement :)
I wanted to see them as well
Coverage looks awesome even better with a mover don't need a lot of travel
do it man, you won't regret it.
Link?
Besides heat issues, isnt there a max lux level? For example, if we assume my AC/DE reflector plus mini split can cool my room sufficiently no matter how high/low I set my light height, then lux would become the next issue, right? What height is that? Or what lux measurement is it that after which point the light is reflected as heat?
Thanks for your question. After around 900 umol of PAR light the limiting factor indoors becomes CO2 levels. If you elevate CO2 to 1200 - 1450 PPM (more than three times atmospheric levels) light loving plants can take up to 1500 umol before the law of diminishing returns really kicks in. In practice 700 - 800 umol is ample for growing most light loving flowering species.
@@Just4Growers thank you. Now...i just need a PAR meter haha. My light meter only measures lux and fc's.
Only 21 seconds in and you've already stated false information, Gavita 1000W DE require a minimum of 10 ft ceiling not 15 ft or more (these units are actually manufactured for Greenhouses) ;but the Gavita 6750 (750W) DE work amazing below 10 Ft. The point of using Gavita 1000W DE (or DEs in general) for industrial growing is that you can use less ballasts due to the 5 ft x 6ft footprint rather than the 4 ft x 4 ft footprint of a single ended 1000W bulb.
Reducing the amount of lights also reduces the amount of A/C required by a lot and having at least 1 wall mounted fan per light blowing directly in between the bottom of the bulb and the top of the canopy will almost negate the possibility of burning plants (still want at least 3 ft or more for 1000W DEs) completely.
You also completely failed to talk about 315W Ceramic Metal Halide bulbs, these things with the Phillips Master 315W bulb absolutely rock for home growing and cost WAY less on the electricity bill. I speak from personally having over 20 years in the horticulture industry and having worked/spent a lot of time hanging out at my good friends horticulture supply store.
I would greatly appreciate if you could make a video on how good Chinese made grow equipment mainly de/ac hoods work. I know your paying less but how much does that effect the quality and is it worth it? Thank you
+Grandpapurp 1226 Hi G.Purp, the air-cooled hoods I use (Sun System AC/DE) is made in Washington state, USA.
Awesome information thanks Everett as always however since you got the ACde preview a year or 2 back... I've REALLY been wanting them! But still just running regular air cooled magnum XXL w the glass in FOR THE SIMPLE REASON of I haven't been sold on a safe non detectable digital ballast. Ever since my lumateks had the cable company at the house telling me my setup was causing rf Interference big time (I think it was a nosey ham radio guy bc I never had any issues w cable but the old am radio test proved that I was killing am radio way far from the house.... been on magnetic ballasts since jellous of all the de crops I see
+northCALIFA Ola amigo. The Galaxy Grow Amp is very quiet. The DEva by Revolution Micro is super quiet. (They also sell EMI filters that you can retrofit to old noisy ones). Also a new magnetic ballast came out called "Hardcore" that can run DEs so check that out: www.sunlightsupply.com/shop/bycategory/magnetic-ballasts/sun-system-hard-core-de-remote-ballast
Thanks brother! Always putting out great content and one of my fav channels!
Growers Choice 630w cmh is rockin it !!!
Tscherman ääääluminum😂😂😂😂 god i loved that😂😂😂😂😂
Great video as usual! If I have herbs and leafy greens under a lamp but also a tomato plant or two, should I use a HPS or a MH lamp? Currently have a MH lamp. I've been told MH lamps can explode, is this true? :D
That's why MH lamps are double-jacketed and DE-MH lamps should be housed in a closed (glass) fixture. Have you considered a dual-arctube lamp? Or perhaps 2 x 400W HPS / MH?
It's a 250w MH I'm running. It's in the kitchen due to size constraints, so I don't think I want it much more intense. I haven't heard about dual arctube lamps but if it's an easy switch like between hps/mh then it sounds pretty cool. But if not, would you recommend hps or mh for mostly greens and a little tomato or two?
+maxbastards gotcha. Dual arcs are just 1000W so not for you. The LEC 315 or LEP 270e would be ideal for leafy greens, otherwise T5s or full spectrum LEDs would be the way to go I think.
Okay, appreciate the replies! I'll look at LEC 315 next when the MH is a bit older. It's working really great my only worry is the non glass reflector if it explodes
+maxbastards you'll be fine because the MH lamp is double-jacketed.
Wouldnt a 1000w de turned down to 50-60% be better than a regular 600 hps?
I've heard that dimming the bulb wastes allot of lumens or something and its better to buy a 600w due to its lumens per watts. But side note, I've always used 1000w SE bulbs for grows but a friend of mine used a 600w and SCROG in a 4x4 closet with 2 plants in a DWC bubbling bucket and pulled almost 3 POUNDS out of that closet! That's more than 1GPW! I wouldn't have believed it if I didn't see it with my own eyes...If you're tight on space, just get a 600w bulb, forget about the dimming of the 1000w
Why have I been experiencing such greener lush plants with my phantom DE open 1000 W lighting than my 1000 watt hortilux bulb/raptor hood/phantom ballast. My canopy under raptor hoods are a brighter green almost bleached, tip burn, nitrogen deficiencies etc.. I used my light meter and found even vented my canopy under raptor hoods are still a few degrees hotter. Under
Im looking at a dimmable de hps mh setup but i like the wing reflector so the wings are cheaper i think so im looking forward to growing wuth one
Angled reflectors have a much smaller spread good for small spaces
love your videos ! I'd love to see an update on how you like the 315 lecs.
+dr treez1 Can't get enough of them. All I'm running in my second grow room right now. A 315 and a twin (630). LEC all day, every day!
I bet that greenhouse is super bright
Shit, man, you packed so much info into 4 minutes. Thank you for this.
Thanks for the positivity!
why not just turn dim down a D/E fixture from 1000w to 600w? Since D/E are more efficient than single ended wouldnt a D/E 1000w dimmed to 600w outperform a single ended 600w?
It’s usually preferable to match your lamp’s native wattage with the desired output, rather than to dim as it causes spectral degradation. A notable exception are optimized lamps such as Adjustawings’ 750W DE-HPS which suffers from virtually no spectral degradation at 600W. This will certainly outperform an SE 600W.
Great information and well put together video!
which would you say is a better DE fixture, The gavita or the nanolux?
My favorite DE fixtures are the Hellion 750W By Adjust-A-Wings, the DE Boss by Sunlight Supply and the DEva by Revolution Micro. Not used the Nanolux to be fair but the Gavita 1000W DE-HPS requires too high a ceiling for my situation.
I forgot to mention the AC/DE by Sunlight Supply - awesome fixture.
Should I use a 600w full spectrum led lighting for 9 plants or a 1000w cmh lighting w air cooled hood
steve resendez 1000w . 600w is too weak for 9 plants
Sup steve? Which did u end upgoing with? And why? Do led lights draw less watts from the wqll??
When a commercial grow Is too cheap to hang their lights on adjustable hangers this is what you get. Those same grows have to overdrive the bulbs to get an efficient par number from that extreme height
Facts!
Everest I need some help from the gardening orical , I have a problem with my balls I hope you can help with. I 'm using drain to waste hempy buckets with around 2" of hydroton clay balls in the bottom and a 50/30 mix Coco perlite on top, the problem is my run off pH, the drain hole is 2" up from the bottom of the pot but Everytime I water with a pH of 5.5 my run off pH is 6.8 and it drifts back up to 7.4 by the next day. I'm growing acidic loving plants, I have been pHing my feed down to a pH of 4 to try to correct it but it still has not corrected it self and my run off pH is still very high. I think it's the hydroton balls causing the problem as my run off pH was fine with straight Coco/perlite mix but my roots grow better with the hydroton at the bottom.Any help or ideas would be greatly appreciated appreciated.
+Dave Pallant Hi Dave. Thanks for your questions. Always happy to help with ball-related issues. Firstly, I wouldn't bother with the layer of clay balls at the bottom of the pot for reasons I explain here ( ruclips.net/video/mS7_nm4MLyU/видео.html ) - what is your source water? Tap? RO? What is the starting EC (before adding anything)? Did you pre-soak your balls? I would not use a pH as low as 4 to correct. Go for a more gradual approach. 5-5.5 is a better bet.
Everest Fernandez I m using 12 litre buckets if that makes any difference.
Everest Fernandez thanks for the advice, I was starting to panic as I transplanted a week ago and couldn't get my pH level down, but its creeping down now, how long can your pH be out of wack before it starts causing problems ?as my plants look non the worse for it all.
What about 1000w led lights ?
before buy just think about your bill electricity
i use 3 15 watts lamps and i grow 25 weeds plants each years ...
your a joke if you think a tiny night light will grow proper plants, especialy cover 25 plant kid
i grow 8/10 plants each 4 months. its enough for me. and this give me the 25 plants/year. those lamps are 15 watt but give 110 watts equivalence. easy to find in supermarket.
no equivelant to anything. light dont work that way..a watt is a watt no mater how you try and missrepresent them. and 3 cfl wont cover enough to grow even 1 plant proper kids. the window sun has more output than your 15 watt tiny cfl
i gotta ask, what yields you pull from each plant grown under that tiny set up.
just think what you want .. lumens are enough for grow my plants ... whatever, i admit that i will enjoy to have a better installation,. but i cannot pay more money on this.
How many watts would you recommend on just one to four plants??for veg and bloom?!
+xXb3a5T-N-Xx Hello amigo. Thank you for your question. Let's define a small-scale indoor grow as 4' by 4' or 16 square feet. Using very broad guidelines (multiply sq. feet by between 35 and 50 to give you watts, 35 for efficient lamps / reflectors, 50 for less efficient, or plants that have very high light requirements) that would give a range of 560 to 800 watts. I'm particularly impressed with 750W DE HPS lamps like the one I'm running in the Adjust-a-Wings Hellion. Do you have a grow tent / what space do you have available. Easier to talk in those terms rather than plant numbers. Peace and happy growing, Everest.
Everest Fernandez I'm growing about 5 plants in a closet space .normal closet space nothing huge.really to see what type of quality I can create..pretty much for fun to kill time..any recommendations?!.thanks for the reply as well
Everest Fernandez also was looking for something budget wise being the first time growing.
Love your vids man keep them up 🙂
+Jaybo 8970 Thanks Jaybo. Lots in the pipeline. Just need to find the time to squeeze em in!
Any thoughts on hydro farm day star only want to go 400w
Great video
Go big or go home get one with the dimmer switch on the bellas
Went spectrum king never looked back
You're my boy blue.
Some old-school shit right der
throw away the bat wings and boxes, parabolic reflectors have served me well for thirty years
very good info...👌
Can you tell me the footprint of the ac/de 1000 hps hood?
4 years late ;but it's 5ft x 6ft for 1000W DE and 4Ft x 4FT for single ended 1000w (in case any one else is wondering).
600w doesn’t produce what 1000w can, it’s what their growing that needs that extra wattage
Thank You !!!!!!!!
The Adjust a wing is a Australian invention (just thought i'd mention that )
+cameron Gibbs And an amazing one too!
yes we have a lot of master growers here .Worked in a hydroponic shop for 15 years so love it when we sell Australian made .I'm currently building a arduous co2 controller and trying to get that off the ground
Australia also invented Silica supplements, with Budlink being the first from Perth, Western Australia.
Pretty sure clonex aka cloning gel was an aussie invention too.
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I was all scared about De lamps. Had my plants like 6 or 7 feet away from the light and had to move them to about 3 to 4 feet away to get decent results. I am super pissed. I know for the next run though.
+DetroitLuv82 Compact reflectors have been all the rage with 1000W DE HPS thanks to all the pics of warehouse grows doing the rounds online. Over the next year we are going to see some different takes on applying the technology. Look out for the Hellion lighting system (you heard it here first ;)) and definitely check out the 600 / 750W DE HPS lamps. I'll be making my way through all this over the coming months. Hope you're subbed ;)
Everest Fernandez i am a subscriber!!! keep the content coming
+DetroitLuv82 Awesome. Much appreciated :)
what about gavita 750w-de ?
+danilko paskudnik definitely an interesting option - I'll be experimenting with the new Hellion 600/750 DE-HPS from Adjust-a-wings soon.
thanks ... looking forward to..
Everest Fernandez
Avoid gavita at all costs. Scotts (miraclegrow) company bought them out and they work hand in hand with Monsanto. The two companys plan to spend big money on buying out the hydro industry and turning everything GMO
Ive never seen marjeewana that looked like that
not exactly, get a gavita ,run on 750, its kills most 1000 yields. js.
if I were to get DEs, what happens if I were able to cool the room down to 70 F every part of the room? So now if I don't have heat problems, can there be too much light?
even at 3-4 feet away
+Flipped Dz Nuts Excess radiant heat from a lamp that is too close will still have a negative effect on your leaves even if you are offsetting convection heat's effect on your air temperature. Heat is a double-horned beast!
+Flipped Dz Nuts 3 feet = problems. 4 ft is much better.
Everest can i run a quick question by you?
+Jonathan schadenfreude Any time amigo.
I am seriously considering grabbing a 630 mh like your video shows. Can 7 ft tents use them? Of so can you recommend one? Brand wide.
great video Everest. itd be nice for those of is just trying to enjoy out garden's to have a decent spot to share info. The rollitups, thc farmer, icmag, firestaxx all hangouts for egotistical butane smokers mostly it seems. my advice is find a good dude like Everest and bounce questions, speaks volumes about a person when they call themselves a growgod at a cannabis site. snacks of being quite conceited! last thing the movement needs is asshats like you see at those sites trolling, using misinformation, or just straight assholes who share a bloodsupply with the site who rage on anyone who makes the mistake of coming across their paths on the internet.
+Jonathan schadenfreude Never. Stop. Learning!
led all the way
Everyone has a different option on HPS
Before you buy an HPS look at the calendar. Its 2021... get an LED
Interesting view; when your done checking the year, turn your attention towards your ambient temperatures, the temperature and light requirements of your chosen plant species, the intended size of your plants, your expectation of canopy penetration, how long you think you want to stay in the game, and your bank account, peace and happy growing. I’ll be talking LEDs soon ;)
@Revy
DE hps get way better coverage and far far better penetration then LED.
A 750w Hellion will kill any 600w Led fixture, whether it’s 2021 or not.
LEDs either have crappy light distribution on par charts with a huge central hotspot, or the multi arm fluency spydr style fixtures get rubbish penetration.
With a Hellion you get super dense thick buds all the way to the bottom of the plant even through the upper canopy.
No LED can do that, and yes, you know the year. Good for you.
talk faster;)
be a man and build your own Vero or cxb light
+solofoe which should I do first?
just use LED
good leds cost too much
why would you not use fans. lol. sell their to hot but no fans moving or no cooling i see at all. its the shit designed hoods cause, the hot spots. poor info
i run them double enders and their fine. hoods suck is all. but i have a proper room with venting and cooling. not seeing any of that in here
+Canadian Green Poignant as I've just installed a 42,000 BTU A/C downstairs. :)
LED is the way to go. All the stuff in this video is obsoleted by LED...
+bcmasur I neither agree or disagree. I will experiment! An LEC 630 running Philips Elite Mastercolor CDM 3200 325W lamps made obsolete by LEDs? This has to be put to be test and I hereby humbly volunteer my services! In any case, thanks for watching amigo.
+Everest Fernandez 315W, mobile keyboard!
the simple 5:1 red:blue 5050 SMD IP65 strips are SO CHEAP now though, eBay auctions for example. $:$ LED has been beating everything else for years now. The only arguments against LED are valid because "you're doing it wrong"
As long as big firms like bayer and the likes grow crops with De-hps and not led, i'm not buying it.
led is for kids in a closet
Or just bey vented hoods problem solved
And your more like to burn your plant with a led be for hps are mh
haha wow hes talking super fast
Stop talking so slow pls
this is bull shit fake news i use the 1000w 2000k bulb with a 8 foot ceiling and i get 2.5 pounds per light so i would have to say this is bull
There’s no need for Trumpisms or polemics amigo. If you are growing plants small or trained to a very low form you could quite happily use a 1000W with a low ceiling, you just don’t have much margin for error. Happy growing.
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