Melodic Racism: Children’s Songs & White Supremacy | Jacqueline Kelly-McHale | TEDxDePaulUniversity
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- Опубликовано: 12 июл 2021
- Are children’s folk songs racist? DePaul University music education professor Jacqueline Kelly-McHale says yes. She asserts that educators must do more than just change the lyrics of these common songs. Instead, they need to embrace, identify and teach students songs that create social pathways that not only teach musical notation, but also promote inclusion - otherwise we are doomed to repeat our problematic past. Kelly-McHale is an associate professor at DePaul’s School of Music. Jacqueline is an associate professor and director of music education at DePaul’s School of Music. For kindergarten through twelfth grade classrooms, her research focuses on culturally responsive teaching, the role of social justice in music teacher education programs and musical composition. Jacqueline also serves as a consultant for the Chicago Symphony Orchestra’s Institute for Learning, Access and Training, and Ravinia’s Reach Teach Play® program. She earned her doctorate in music education from Northwestern University. This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at www.ted.com/tedx
I can't imagine where she might have been when she taught that to school-age kids! I was in kindergarten in 1953 in the heart of the deep South and I never heard that song!
I was wondering the same thing I’m like dang where did you teach lady
I can’t wait to hear it now!….I’m from Alabama and I’m 55 years old. So let’s see…
I remember that song but I'm 67. She's not old enough to have been one of my teachers. I'd think no one sang that song since the 70s. Hey, "ring around the rosie/pocket full of posies/ ashes ashes all fall down" is about the plague. The posies covered the smell of the dead bodies. Anyone remember playing double dutch jump rope to "my grandma and your grandma were sitting by the fire, my grandma told your grandma I'm going to set your house on fire... iko iko ahney." It's a Mardi Gras Indian challenge song. It's probably offensive to someone. Kids songs and stories are full of landmines.
I'm 24 and I learned the song in junior high
I was wondering the same and I live in the south! Never heard this song my entire life!
Who learned the song "Pick a Bale of Cotton" in elementary school? I learned of it from Hollyweird in the movie Girl Interrupted.
I'm 67, I did sing it in elementary school in Connecticut. I cannot imagine this song still being given to kids to sing anytime in the last couple of decades.
@Melanie Hale search Angela Bettis in Girl Interrupted on YT- it's in the scene where Susanna's 1st intro'd to ward.
I learned it in a Wee Sing songbook when I was 3 😳
Never heard of it and I’m from Alabama and grew up on a cotton farm
I’m 35, in the south & Never heard of it until today.
Fitting since that’s all the left has is ironic hypocrisy.
However, to a hammer everything looks like a nail!
Elephants too?
@@fbaallied 🤣🤣
@Jack Strawb Don't confuse the way you feel about yourself with the way the majority want to make the world a better place for all, regardless of creed and color
@Jack Strawb David Duke, that you?
Nailed it
How long till they disable comments?
Guy: Ted how many dislikes do you want on your next video.
Ted: Yes
They really f*cked up bad this time
A lot a folk songs are manual work songs, pretty much all doing the work were poor and downtrodden.
Others remember war and death. Learning is too often drained of movement, there is nothing wrong with learning and remembering the past in all its blood, sweat and death in movement and music, most of our ancestors learnt that way unable to sit still and read being to busy sweating besides their kids.
Billy boy for instance teaches you about ports and how the billy boats were flat bottomed young things that couldn't leave mother England.
Then sing one of those, not the ones about slavery.
this woman should not be around children............
Please stop this nonsense.
So she's been randomly teaching young children and obscure songs about picking cotton for years and suddenly felt guilty about it?
Leftists are nothing but white supremacists with a guilty conscience, and do nothing but project that guilty conscience onto those who do not feel or think the same way.
I appreciate that she feels like she's trying to be more self aware and do better, but you have to ask .. who was even using these songs?? And now she's self-righteously preaching to others. She was/is definitely part of the bigger problem.
Like, this whole speech should have just been said to herself in the mirror.
@@RubeeRoja my thoughts exactly!
@@RubeeRoja She's not self-righteously explaining, but just explaining from experience.
I don't know why you'd feel it's self righteous. It's like cussing around a kid without knowing a kid is around. You'll probably feel some remorse and I don't think me explaining that from experience would make me 'self-righteous.'
About two years before I retired from teaching, I recall a rhythmic movement teacher who came to my classroom with the, "Jump Jim 'Joe' " music. I'd never heard this melody before, but when she told the class the title it hit me immediately. I asked her if she knew what the original title of the song was and she nodded.
Was that “original” title really the original title? Minstrel performers took old folk songs and added their own lyrics.
Hate is the only real bad note.
Amen! I’ve been a music teacher for 30 years and this topic has never been addressed at a conference, PLC or any other music teacher get together. I am shocked by this. Just this past summer, I had an epiphany when I heard the entire lyrics of Oh Susanna. I’ve taught this song for years, why is it in almost all beginning band and recorder books? Why is Camptown Races in there? Why is Big Rock Candy Mountain in general music books? I could go on and on. There needs to be a fundament change in song selection. As one music educator said, “ there are so many good songs out there, why must we keep teaching those that hurt children if they knew where the songs came from.
Same here. Career music educator here. 10 years K-12, 17 in higher ed. I have felt the same thing about Camptown Races, too. Good ole Stephen Foster has a pretty pervasive hold in American music though!
In fact, I had the same revelation during the same song (Pick a Bale of Cotton) about 20 years ago when I taught elementary music! As soon as she starting singing the rhythm I had an very visceral trip back in time. Sometimes the history behind a song is tinged with ribald humor (The Boatmen Dance) and sometimes the history is wrapped in a much darker tale.
One thing I don't think people quite get (especially in the comments on this video) is the fact that the education future music educators get is taught almost exclusively from a white, male, euro-centric, art music (classical) perspective. It's been that way for more many decades (a rough estimate, at least 150+ years?). And it is exceedingly difficult to find resources to break that cycle unless someone is willing to do it, create it, on their own.
You might have a point with Stephen Foster songs, but something like Big Rock Candy Mountain is an old folk song that has had many versions with different lyrics. Who is to say what the original version was about.
If she actually wanted to stop racism then she would oppose teaching kids to hate each other based on race.
Teaching history is now teaching hate?
@@fbaallied When it's been subject to Antiwhite revisionism, it certainly is. Antiwhitism is reprehensible, no matter its incarnation
@@nathanielnelson4866 antiwhitism...............?
@@elettradelpin230 Antiwhitism - all concepts, ideologies, actions, and everything deriving therefrom (such as opinions, policies, laws, rules) that inflict injury, whether physical, mental, or spiritual, upon Westernkind and Western Civilization.
Never heard that song in my life.
How do we stop racism? We’ll just stop the kids from learning about racism. That should do it.
I was grown in a post-race generation watching diverse tv series and rocking for the actors, 10 years later these people made me realise i am white, and i will be white forever, and i am different, so i will protect myself no matter what now
Racism is arbitrary
It happens in the home. Patents need to teach there children what is racism. There lies the biggest problem. White parents are not capable of teaching about racism because as White People, they stand to loose a lot of prestige and influence that they have been given from institutions that are currently in place. That is what is called "Fundamental Darkness".
@@kyokowithbrave4888 Well you just proved my point. You just manifested the fundamental darkness I am speaking of. To protect what you have realized. In the entertainment industry, there is little diversity and is one of the institutions that continues racism in this society.
@@satarikta6435 You can’t completely get rid of something that is arbitrary.
Just got this on my notifications... this should be a good laugh!
Oh yeaaah😂
Why is there a good laugh?
You're the joke
@@RealEstateEntrepreneur ⬅️ This Guy! 😂
How about let's just teach children how to play instruments and interact with other children in a band setting. If you want to compare lyrics then let's start with any modern rap song you want to reference the lyrics to.
Thank you
Modern rap songs are not being taught in schools. But thanks for the straw man argument.
I agree that children should be taught how to play instruments & build community together, but using a staw man undermines your argument.
@@FancyForestPerson U typed a lot w/o touching on any substantive fact, so it would seem your argumentation is shallow & heavily influenced by your emotion.
Ironic, as all the folks railing against CRT love throwing the word "snowflake" around when referring to their political opponent & claiming "facts don't care abt your feelings"... while demonstrating they're all up in their feelings & have a hard time engaging with historical facts that are very relevant to this discussion.
@@FancyForestPerson I appreciate u taking the time to read my comments & I appreciate that my words & knowledge have resonated.
I like how no one even watched the full video yet
😂
In a couple minutes they will have
How do you tell if folks only watch all or part of the video?
68 likes. 81 dislikes.
@@heads_together_crypto2422 the video came out 5 minutes ago but it 9 minutes long. thats impossible.
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Tedx is slowly but surely becoming a joke…
I knew this would be one of the first type of comments 🤦🏾♂️
@@rells_dope It's true tho Ted now is just pseudoscience and ideology
Your knuckles drag gravel too
@@rells_dope I knew that you would use that kind of smiley.
Are they trying for a wokeness championship?
In Germany we have a song about 3 Chinese men sitting on the street, playing music and talking. Immediatley the police turns up and asks what they are up to. Somehow the song is still popular in 2021
Hmmm... should I unsubscribe yet?
On the other hand, this is an entertaining shitshow to follow
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Why?
I just unsubscribed
Come on stop it .... unsub
And I'm unsubscribed.
Crybaby
@@Eaon69 u mad?
Don't. Keep down voting videos like this and hopefully they get the message.
Why? There are videos I don't agree with that people make, but it doesn't make me unsubscribe.
Consider also the alert button.
Oh dear, now even kid's songs have to be politically correct? Should we erase all history then?
No.
It's not necessarily a bad thing to change the lyrics. A few American anthems used to be insults or just silly songs. Star Spangled Banner's melody was a British drinking song, and Yankee Doodle was another British song that ridiculed American fashions and attitudes. Some melodies have lyrics that are secular, some religious. Like there's a religious version of Carol of the Bells and a secular one, not to mention the many songs that use Ode to Joy as a melody. It's a teacher's personal choice for which songs they wish to use in their lessons.
WTF. just when you thought it could not get more absurd
Worst one ever -
She should teach the songs of modern day African American Rap Artisians! ❤👍
Soooooo a whole music teacher never knew the origin of these songs 🤔
My group chat is about to have a field day with this one
She isn't teaching the history of music lol
@@AlexADalton never said she was. However, she's studied music and now she's a professor at an university. She's done her fair share of research.
@@chrissyb87 yeah, but that research under her "whole music teacher" degree, probably didn't include the racial history of specific children's songs. I mean what are you complaining about exactly? That she wasn't taught something?
@@AlexADalton Agreed!
@@chrissyb87 She knows the mechanics and has some enthusiasm. Her interest in history seems to be an after thought. How she interprets history it's bearing today is questionable. Is this another case of 'it never happened '?
After this video I think I will join the cancel culture. And the first thing I'm going to delete is my TedX channel subscription. Congratulations.
"Delete my subscription"
And with that... I unsubscribed
why??
My grandmother worked picking cotton, in Taladega, AL. She's white.
This reminds me of when Caddicarus reviewed a DVD of nursery rhymes. It had "Taffy Was A Welsh man, Taffy Was A Theif" which was made by the English to demonise the Welsh (look it up if you don't believe me) but the people making the DVD hired a Welsh man to read it so the rhyme sort of became a Welsh man complaining about his neighbour.
I just think it's genuinely amusing.
When your entire premise is based on the false assumption that slaves were, historically, the only people to pick cotton, I must therefore assume myself that anything you say further is based on false assumptions, leading to faulty logic trains and inevitably false conclusions. It's like you're not even trying anymore. It's all emotional manipulation now. Not mad, just disappointed.
Strawman
Nobody said they were the only ones. However singing kids songs about it in the 21th century, are you really going to dismiss that with a strawman?
@@fbaallied Oh yeah, good point - I love that song too! 'Flying through the air.... Lalalalalalallaaaa'. ;)
If this continues TEDx will find people unsubscribing
Gee, you seem a little sensitive...
@@fbaallied It's not sensitivity, it's self defense. I support Antiwhite ideologues losing their audience 100%
@@nathanielnelson4866 🤣🤣🤣🤣👶🏻👶🏻👶🏻👶🏻
@@fbaallied I'll never understand the obsession Antiwhites have with enojis. I guess using words is hard for you huh? Mocking the legitimate grievances of others is not going to get them on your side.
@@nathanielnelson4866 Boohoo, Dwight Man is OPPRESSED! 👶🏼👶🏼👶🏼
Video isn’t even out 2 minutes and the comments… can only get better
You don't have to have a lot of time to realize when something is ideological propaganda.
@@matonolo description says enough.
@@matonolo there is a stark difference between propaganda and someone stating an opinion. Because thats what this video is. A teacher stating her opinion on how to teach
@@ofdragonsandbooks3979 You could legit learn more from playing minecraft rather then going to this teachers class.
@@acrayon3699 where you a student in her class? Otherwise I don’t think you can judge her lessons and if she’s a competent teacher, given that this wasn’t a presentation about music
I grant thee virtue
Thanks for all the entertainment, TED. People only come to point and laugh these days.
Seriously, TED used to be informative now its, far left woke bullcrap like this.
Proof you can be highly educated but not smart.
More than likely all those songs that were used in minstrel shows were old folk songs that had original lyrics that were changed, yet they get criticized for their “origins” when in fact the 19th century words to these tunes were not the first, and I’m sure there were many different contemporary versions that are not known because they were never published. So I agree that if the lyrics changed to less offensive words, there is no problem, because those original lyrics were not really the original lyrics.
No White Guilt
Yes, just plain human decency.
She looks like a concerned Karen...👀
Most of the people who’ve covered this song are actually African American.
If you job is to teach notational literacy, then do so. But don't assume your political assumptions are shared (or even should be shared), or are even relevant, welcome, or appropriate to people who are there to be taught notational literacy.
omg this has to be a Joke right?
Sadly its not...
Antiwhitism is absurdity
Native Floridian here and I never heard this song in school ever. They must have been singing this in the north. Here is real history my family picked oranges and my cousins picked tobacco. The schools shut down and all the school kids pick the tobacco. The seniors drove the school buses. I got beat up and harassed because of my skin color. Want to guess what my heritage is?
it is much better to talk to students about what they sing than removing a piece.. the stories on art.. tell you something about culture and times.. it is imortant to learn and recognize it
not kindergartners dude, thats way to young to bring up historical nuances like that. save it for histolrical music theory or liberal arts education maybe in 4th grade or later.
Don't change lyrics, just sing other songs
Will you trust your students enough to allow them full disclosure; the ability, nay, the opportunity, to turn hate music intended for their hurt, into their own victory (should they decide too), against the intention of the originators?
Why are you even mentioning this? Makes no sense. Stop teaching music
She's obviously not teaching music but hate against white people.
The end of TedX
So teach the history? How can you say "we shouldn't teach this at all" and "we can't teach this and ignore the history?"
Which is it? Teach the song? Or ignore history?
You're doomed to repeat history when you force everyone to forget the parts you don't like because it was a big bad time. You're attributing what was common place racism and status quo to a period in time with two entirely different structures. This isn't to say injustice today doesn't happen and shouldn't be addressed but you're basically saying "white history is awful and shouldn't be taught". Usually, the only people who've censored history end up doing atrocious things.
Teaching children to sing these songs is different than teaching history. This type of song should be taught in schools but not as a musical lesson, but as part of history. U seem to miss this point.
@@jonathanedward7895 exactly!
I can't help but notice that you actually agree with the presenter, that simply erasing the bad history isn't a good solution. The presenter's conclusion is that the songs should be taught as a history lesson, to outline how culture and politics persist through art and music, instead of just as a convenient vessel to teach fundamentals of music literacy.
Un subscribed.
why? I'm just curious
The main difference between confidence and adamance is when you respect others view and be firm on your decision it's confidence, if not it's adamance, nature will respect you only when you respect others. 😀 Have a nice day 😃
One of the rare TED talks overwhelmingly disliked
Facepalm over 9.000 T-T
Et ouais Psyho 😉 For the french speakers, I recommand you his channel, it's all about SJW abuse like this one.
Carrément !
Tiens, un raciste qui défend une chant d'esclavagiste.
@@joannot6706 Elle parle d'une chanson qu'apparemment la plupart des américains n'ont jamais apprise ou entendue.
Elle a fait chanter cette chanson à la con à des enfants et maintenant elle se sent coupable parce qu'elle réalise que c'était une chanson raciste, le problème c'est elle.... mais bon c'est plus facile de se dédouaner en faisant une projection sur tous ses contemporains à la peau blanche.
Parfois on a l'impression que les SJW c'est des suprémacistes blancs qui luttent contre eux même.
youtube hides the dislikes from me. are we at one million already?
'Today on something abstract hurts my feelings'
First off this speaker is inducing people to act without right based on opinions, concepts and theories and not concrete truth. This woman is promoting social division using the social sciences and promoting unhealthy relationships by pointing out things like racism which is arbitrary and abstract
TAMU Core Values · EXCELLENCE · INTEGRITY · LEADERSHIP · LOYALTY · RESPECT · SELFLESS SERVICE. Our current profane and racially slurred team entrance song (Power/Kanye W-google the lyrics) at Kyle Field appears to be a questionable choice at best. Which of these highly valued ideals does the tune best represent? Should Texas A&M not strive to be part of the solution and not the problem? Is A&M really serious about "Leading The Way"? Or not?
Utter nonsense
Definitely seems like Ted is reaching exactly the audience they want to judging by all the angry comments I see on most videos lol
There’s not enough information here. I’m from the UK and have never heard of any of these ‘songs’. Are there other examples?
I'm from the US but now I'm going to set out on a 10 year long journey to see if anyone has ever heard these songs.
Johnny Cash sang the cotton one. It is a prison song too.
Hmmm, I agree humans need to evolve and be responsible for what they say and do, but she's joining dots that are not there. I see some of these songs as a history time stamp. It is how we were. There is nothing stopping us from writing and singing uplifting songs today. Stick with being in the present. Be creative.
Exactly!
Yours is the first negative comment I have seen that actually tries to address a point she has made. Which given youtube comments, is actually awesome and I wanna say thanks and encourage that.
The reason I partly disagree with your comment is, though it is true it can be viewed as a time stamp as you said. To do that you have to have an idea of the context. Which is why she said to teach that context.
The other thing is, depending how old the kids are, they may just take on some of the message of the song but without the context you spoke of.
@@Archivian01 Also, I hope it didn't sound like I was implying anyone should "get over it" by mentioning being in the present. Cos that attitude feels very wrong to me.
Here in Australia there's still folk who don't have the maturity to see past their own nose, and thus will never understand.
I've had to seek my own peace from trauma because of this. As much as it would have helped the healing process to be understood, it wasn't going to happen.
@@klyrebird It didn't sound like you were implying "get over it" to me at all.
In the UK were I am we used to sing Ring around
The Roses. At that time our teacher explained it was about the plague and gave a little context to what we were singing. We all still sing it in the playground from time to time but I always had a little context to place it as a kind of time stamp.
Thanks for the chat and for your view
Crazy
Subbed for the comments
And then you cry when the money stops rolling in
Two words "teacher's union".
Just sayin'.
Deleted posts, well done progressive YT.
I thought this was the Onion.
Thumbs down just for the title.
“ I’m dreaming of a WHITE XMAS “ oops sorry, racism.
it is tho..
@@24k.purelife 💀
I miss when Ted talks were actually interesting and informative. 🙄
Eenie Meenie Miney Moe....
Ok Karen👍
TedX dropped the ball on this one. They reject science and commonsensr
Why do I ever read the comments section? It is the “sunken place.”
Censoring and veiling racism don’t seem the best way to stop racism…🤷🏻♂️ On top of that, “whoever forgets the history is condemned to repeat it”…
that song celebrates racism, it doesn't educate... there's a vital difference
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At 60 years of age, I know this is true. I had an urge to go see friends in the PNW and went in 2015. It was wonderful! At the time, my roommate told me I should go for that very reason, so I wouldn't regret later not going. Thank for the quote, haven't watched video yet and yours is the first positive comment I've seen here.
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Hang on, You, a teacher, “Finally Heard What Your Students were Saying”?? I’m trying to figure how that could be. 🤔
There are all kinds........of music
How does cotton get off the branch? Do we still use cotton? Do we need it? How do we get it? If it's a consumer product, is anyone allowed to get it? When is a cloth product ok?
When you know better, do better 👏
Agreed:
Children who are "home-schooled" routinely outperform the victims of "public" schooling.
Thus, home-schooling is *better* than "public" schooling.
Just sayin'.
Beating the racism drum......when will it ever end......when she starting the song tune, I had no clue, nor did the words she said it represented, came to my mind....stop twisting everythig to fit a false narrative....
Thank you, Jacki, for continuing to interrogate tough questions and always working to improve the way we teach teachers.
I found the numerous on stage Xs (chromosomes) misandrist
How come it's not TED XY?!!! OR TEDDINA XY?!?
OR 'I USED TO BE TED BUT NOW I'M TEDDINA XY-LGBTQP'?!
R.I.P. T.E.D.x. Get woke, go broke.
Thx Karen
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This is what happens when adults don't have any goals - Listens to children music.
What do u do with yourself? I am genuinely curious.
@@jonathanedward7895 it depends on month, week, day of week, time of day etc.
Right now - I'm wasting my time...lol
@@leonotto4671 Great a non answer.. U should be a politician. lol
@@jonathanedward7895 maybe you should ask better questions 🙈🤷♂️?
And cancelled
Who wants to take the time to listen Ted.. I grew up in the 60s and 70s around a lot of farms the only people that told me about picking cotton were older white people. Most people were just trying to eat and survive. Unsubscribe
I don't get this. I don't like this lady's take.
Every kind of opinion is out there.
Are you saying Ted endorses each and every one presented? Chris
Why you got to grind it in the ground just move on we've all made mistakes there's countries made mistakes our countries made mistakes our fathers and mothers have made mistakes You might have been a mistake let's just move on and make the world a better place
Okay Kelly, sit down.
I like the idea of using the songs as a teaching moment for the history behind them.
book burner
Someone please come get their virtue signaling Karen....
Yeah seen, heard, felt, smelled, tasted, or and spoken