Bombay Velvet | Anurag Kashyap, Ranbir Kapoor, Anushka Sharma | FC Retake | Film Companion
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- Опубликовано: 25 авг 2024
- What better time than the film's anniversary to revisit Anurag Kashyap's Bombay Velvet that starred Ranbir Kapoor & Anushka Sharma. Anupama Chopra and Rahul Desai talk about their initial response to the film, its performances and music by Amit Trivedi and how that's changed over time. What was your enduring memory of the film?
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Detective Byomkesh Bakshy for next Retake please!
This has become a "Ranbir Kapoor wali vo movie achi thi yaar" show. I'm here for it.
What to do.Most of his movies logo ko baad mein acchi lagti hai.Half of them have cult status.Actually his acting is so good...that people watch them later again just for his acting and find them better later.
HAHAHAHAHAHA epic
But all these were good choices indeed.
@TDS Try To Do Something please adhm is an extremely overrated bogus film
@TDS Try To Do Something this segment has revisited classics not some stupid films
Ranbir Kapoor's films age the best in today's hindi film industry where most films are forgotten after 6 months. I think many of his films will become classics in future just like his grandfather's, whether they become commercially successful in the present.
So true. Movies like Tamasha, Rockstar are already considered classics but many more of his films in the future will gain that status !!
@@adityasen2281 Jagga jasoos ❤
@@38chahiduddin87 not a classic it has it's flaws but definitely something very new
If this segment only 'retakes' Ranbir Kapoor film then why not Rocket Singh- salesman of the year
Damn good one!!!! Too underrated for revisiting seems🥲….
It is underrated and good but this is their second Ranbir Starrer.
@@besufekadmulu965 they have spoken about Tamasha, Jagga Jasoos, Rockstar(feat.Imtiaz Ali) and now Bombay Velvet. Now it's high time they speak about Rocket Singh.
What about Big B's Manzil.
Like Rocket Singh, that is also a film based on business.
Despite releasing in 1979, especially during the peak of Big b's stardom it did not succeed at the box office.
Yet the message of the film is relevant in modern times.
@@saurabhnair5997 I think it's up to them but hey I'd love to know why this film failed.
I hope Anurag Kashyap sees this. His films may have a niche audience but those few really love his films. So, good to see the comment section appreciate the music, Amit Trivedi's work may not have chartbuster then but will eventually be played and remembered even decades later like Kishor Kumar RB Burman songs !! Bombay Velvet really is an underrated film if there was one !!
Why is Anushka not mentioned anywhere? She did a brilliant job - give it all to the character. Kudos to her as well.
She was mentioned in detail. Did you watch the video?
@@palsoumik7 In detail? Which part? The passing comment of 10 seconds that her lip sync was good? Please.
I don't think so
Her performances are usually unconvincing with the exception of Nh 10
Yeah man she was so good..the best thing abt this performance was that she pulled it with innocence..but that innocence is only for johnny..and a wall like rosie for others
Ranbir's movies are way ahead of times... Brilliant talent
Isn't it strange, Ranbir has the best film collections. Films that aren't recognised at first but later on it is termed as "futuristic"?!
Edit: The only weak point throughout the film was Karan Johar.
I heard that Ranbir rejected Ramleela to do Velvet. Intelligent choice. Velvet will be a cult classic among future generations. Ranbir has been playing the longer game. He’s got no competition. Within 5 yrs, people will be bored of Ayyshman, Rajkumar rao etc, but not Ranbir. He’s fine wine
Not really, even Anurag has admitted that Velvet is one movie he'd love to re-do again. He admits to be do this movie not 'Anurag Kashyap' way and it shows. It is hardly a good movie to be considered a cult.
No smoking would be a cult but Bombay velvet no way
I agree.
@@manidev12 it's average
@@tanvish.19 yes
FC Retake is the best!! And apparently, all movies are Ranbir Kapoor's movie
I loved the concept of Bombay Velvet. It was a good film but had a lot more potential to do better. I got inspired by it and wrote my own take on how the story could have developed
I think a lot of people here would love to read an alternative take on it. Share if you feel comfortable.
id love to hear your story if you dont mind .
Detective Byomkesh Bakshy retake?
Anupama loved that film
They liked the film infact most ppl did
Johnny Gaddar, such a fabulous movie that nobody talks about.
Ek Hasina Thi, Aamir, Badlapur, Ship of Theseus, Tumbaad were such good movies.
Also Ugly which is one of the finest Anurag Kashyap movies, quite underrated, I think 3 idiots released a few weeks later and completely overshadowed that gem of a movie.
@@ashwinsrinivasan9092
It released immediately after PK's release.
I remember watching it in an empty theatre.
@@npd9758 Correct it was PK not 3 Idiots, Ugly was one of Anurag Kashyaps best work.
😍😍😍
Please do Guzaarish (2010) next!
I 2nd it
Yes🙏🏻
+1
The Bombay Velvet we finally watched is not the original picture. It was just a part of the world created by Anurag Kashyap called Bombay Velvet.
So much of it got edited out, so many subplots, the romance, the characters, the songs.
I really wish to watch the original director's cut of Bombay Velvet in this lifetime 🙏
Want a directors cut of Bombay Velvet
"We get carried away paying homage to the greats and we forget to be original in our own way..."
- Rahul Desai (2021)
Just beautifully sums it all up! This was an insightful and intriguing discussion!
Bombay velvet has class of its own Ranbir kapoor was on a next level menacing and karan johar looked every part an antagonist,Well played.....
Just call it “RK RETAKE”. He’s such an underrated actor to be honest. He has the eyes to be anything and sadly there are very directors who could bring out the best out of him. Aayan does that commercially with him. Messi had Guardiola, let’s hope Ranbir finds his Pep soon.
Bombay velvet music one of it kind
My go to bollywood movie . I don't know what my taste is in cinema but the grandeur, the effort, the music everything in this film resonated with me so well. Thank you so much for having a retake on this particular film. ❤️
I wish I had watched this movie in theatre. Tommy guns, 90s vibes, jazz, location, great star cast etc. I wish I had watched this in theatre instead of those stupid trolls
@@Lazymath007_ believe me it was worth everything ❤️
Ranbir runs before the time. That's the problem
Oh my God ...i was waiting for this since Tamasha....where Rahul mentioned it in there 😍😍 Was eagerly waiting for his views
Back then, I liked Bombay Velvet but found it too crammed. The film tried to pack in too much in too little time. Today, I feel the story was ideal for a web show format. Kashyap could've sprawled out his multiple ideas and themes over the course of a few crisp episodes and that would have also eased a viewer like myself into the world of Bombay Velvet. Nonetheless, I always ask people to give this movie a shot without any prejudices. There's a lot to like.
very true!
Yes.. or if the movie was made in two parts like wasseypur.. it would have done better.. they made khichdi by putting everything in one part
@@siddharthchauhan8705 Exactly, I had a similar feeling while watching The Irishman. But given that was on OTT, I watched it in 3 parts.
Please do Kabhi Alvida Naa Kehna. There's a lot to unpack in that masterpiece
Agreed. One of my favourite films of all time !!
This movie led to Anurag Kashyap to go and make Raman Raghav. So great.
Loved this discussion. Bombay velvet was ahead of its time. Hopefully it will find its audience over time. Ranbir was outstanding
And also only Ranbir Kapoor could've pulled off such a complex role like that, this again proves that why he is the best Indian actor, I can't think of any Indian actor who even comes close to him in terms of versatility and complex performances. His filmography proves that.
watch more Indian movies then not just the mainstream ones! and regional indian cinema, there are far more versatile and better actors than him.
I agree with you but I believe Rajkumar also can pull off anything considering omerta
@Akuma , all that regional cinema does is period drama and stuff like that with over the top action, no one from south has the guts to do movies like tamasha and rockstar. and as far acting goes ranbir is much better than that KGF actor and also the Bahubali actor , so please don't compare Rabir (who is the best)with mediocre ones
@@nathandrake3200 lol clearly you are massive Ranbir fan and the bias shows. And it seems you watch only mainsteam and not indie cinema. Ranbir is not even best in Hindi cinema forget Tamil/Malyalam.
@Akuma yeah really, not the best in india?, name few actord from the current generation who can compete with Ranbir from Tamil/Malayalam, nobody can come even close,maybe there's just one who can average acting and over the top action scenes, with bad VFX 😂😂
Please do a retake episode on Ra. One, I still find some things to like in the film. Though tbh the movie does play much better in your memory than while actually sitting down to watch it. Would love to know your thoughts on the film.
nooo wayy !!!!
It was just a childish superhero film. What retake does the film really need?
Bomvay velvet is most underrated movie in bollywood
Can't agree more....
So glad that Indian critics are now reevaluating Bombay Velvet. I'm a non-desi Bollywood fan and I've loved that move from the first time I saw it and truly think it's one of Kashyap's best. Other non-Indian fans like Erin and Matt over at Bollywood is for Lovers have also been on board since day one. Is it possible it hits differently with a Western audience who associate it more with the noir/gangster films of Hollywood's golden age? I love it because it seems able to balance the Hindi film narrative style with the Hollywood golden age glamour to perfection. And Anushka as Rosie is one of the most underrated performances in recent years. She's luminous and heartbreaking and the Dhadaam Dhadaam lipsynching performance alone is one of the best ever.
It is definitely possible. As mentioned in the video, the movie became a victim of the westernization and homage to international cinema. I think a lot of film lovers still appreciate this film for that exact reason, while you can understand why people who didn't have the context to any of the underlying references didn't like it. If you consider the film independently as a film and not as a Bollywood film, it works better. But it is a baggage you can't escape being associated to which led to the eventual reaction to this film.
I would be very intrigued if you guys do the retake on Raman Raghav ; I really think it was one of the most underappreciated films in recent past considering the ground breaking perfomances by Vicky Kaushal and Nawaz and nerve wracking direction by Anurag Kashyap.
I think alot of PPL didn't get that film.
It’ll happen only when people start understanding that the movie is about raghav and not really the “psycho” ramana. The performances were riveting.
The music is legendary! Not seen the movie, but love the songs. And yes, same child actor in both films!
Thank you FC for doing this. Like you guys I have always believed this was not a bad film. A technical Masterpiece it was. Want you to do Rangoon next.
I dont understand why Rangoon flopped. There was literally nothing bad in the film...
Ranbir is always the best part of all his films.. Love him!!
Thank you for reminding me to watch bombay velvet again, just got done with it again and still found it amazing.
Rahul Desai was spot on about the lip synch part, I can watch anushka sing Dharam Dharam multiple times.
One more thing, I really think Anushka should be mentioned here because she really did act well.
Please please please do Kabhi Alvida Na Kehna. I thinki it was way ahead of its time and Preity was amazing in it
I have already watched it twice - feel like watching it again
Now I've to watch this film.
I just watched RGV's Kaun after ages and I feel it deserves an FC Retake.
Just rewatched Talaash, I don't remember it getting much praise as thriller, I think it deserves spot on retake. Just realized how awesome cast they assembled.
Now we need a Kabhi Alvida Na Kehna FC Retake !!
M gonna watch Bombay velvet for sure.. bt before that m gonna binge to Bombay velvet album, it's jst wonderful.. n dt Neeti Mohan's voice, my god!!!!!!!!!!
N my humble request plz don't go for ROY in the next session 😌
N I think dil dhadakne do is really underrated
I binged on the music before watching the film recently too 😂😂
@@Lazymath007_ m trying to watch the film bt not happening.. bt whole day listening to the songs
It's a boring film .. Only pseudo Art critics like it
@@saurwish I like this movie in parts.. could not able to watch it at once
Do a retake for Swades. It was a monumental movie.
Please do one for 'Kabhi Alvida na Kehna' !
Yes, please.
Anuarag Kashyap is an under appreciated gem. I can't wait to see what he comes up with next.
Please do a Retake on masterpiece called 'Fitoor'.
Honestly Ranbir Kapoor & Anushka Sharma are one of the finest actors of the Hindi film industry.
Plz..make FC Retake on Mani Ratnam and Abhishek Bachchan's Raavan..i think the movie is quite Beautiful
I never think it is bad film but definitely could have been better.
Same
Please do a Retake on Kalakaandi. It was such great movie that didn't get recognised at the time of release.
True!
The movie got standing ovation in the theatre where I watched it, we all were so immersed in the movie.
Wait, really??
Thats what you call class audience
I watched the movie after this Review. Thank you for this. I would've missed a MASTERPIECE. Anushka Sharma was Brilliant 💙
I’m with you. Liked it when it came out. And yes it was also edited by Thelma Schoonmaker, which, as great as she is, was I think it’s downfall. She didn’t get the rhythm right for a Hindi movie.
I expect a Kashyap Cut to be released someday which might be better.
omg ....i am listening bombay velvet songs now ...such great songs
I liked the film then and love to see it now. Ranbir did a splendid job. Yes it is not a masterpiece but a pretty good film.
I find it fascinating how some of the best films weave cities and their histories and geographies into their narrative. And how the stories of places are so intertwined with the stories of the characters. We see this with Chinatown and Once Upon a Time in Hollywood (LA) and even Kahaani and Det. Byomkesh Bakshi (Kolkata).
Okay, so anurag kashyap said there is director cut of Bombay velvet which is much better the the original movie. We need it now
Oh god really?? I really want to watch that right now 😭😭
Oh yes plz
I revisited Bombay Velvet and then watched the Retake.
KJo was actually really good in this!!!
Socha Na Tha! I saw that movie as a Gen Z 17 year old and was shocked by how well it was done for a rom-com of that time.
I wish they made it like gangs of wassepur - in 2 parts, that would complete the many subplots they built and just do full justice to the subtext and era they created
The BEST PART of Bombay Velvet was it's music. No doubt about it. I find myself listening to it every other day. Amit Trivedi, Neeti Mohan & Shefali Alvares created magic.
What didn't work:
1. Karan Johar: I feel this film suffered because most people could not look at Karan Johar as the antagonist. He may have done a few scenes well and in theory it did sound doable but overall it did not work. Someone competent like a Manoj Bajpayee would have elevated that role. Sadly, Karan's presence made Anurag's fans diss the film too.
2. Length: The film was quite thrilling in the first half. I remember watching it in the theater and at interval I realized that there's a long way to go. Like you guys said the second half was painfully long and it had tropes that just didn't tie the film together. As much as I enjoyed the climax, it came a bit too late.
This has nothing to do with the film but Piku had released on 7th May and this released on 15th May I think. The well-deserved praise around it made people want to skip Bombay Velvet. I remember the unfair comparisons being made. Sadly, these things affect the success of the film too.
I felt a lot of films have had these problems but people were especially nasty towards this movie. It's not an amazing film but it's not the worst film either.
Naseeruddin Shah suggested Karan's name for the part when he read in the script that khambata had a crush on Johny. You are absolutely right about the casting being right on paper. I didnt think karan was extraordinary in the role. He was pretty average plus the way it was written it really needed a man of gravitas to bring some weight to the character. Karan ended up being karan.
I saw you in OSR. You were trying to request Rick and Korbin to give Bombay Velvet on a try. I am literally on the same page as you, OSR should at least react to Bombay Velvet's at the least 😭😭😭
@@kjkls I thought Karan did pretty good...
The character of Kambatta was gay all along. I think Anurag Kashyap made a pretty wise decision casting Karan Johar. Also the sharp cunning businessman really suits KJO's personality
Please do retake for Aiyyaa..its a gem that’s lost in translation
How about doing next on Mani Ratnam' s 'Dil se'
FC Retake is one of my favourite segments on Film Companion. A movie that I recently watched and felt like it wasn't bad at all was Karthik Calling Karthik. Requesting FC to pick up this one for the next discussion.
Dear Maya.....!!! How is this film soooo underrated. Its so cute!!!
Do a retake on FAN and ZERO. Especially FAN. It got really good reviews I remember and yet it didn’t do well at BO. One of srk’s most underrated movie and performance.
Thank you for discussing every thing that I have wanted to say about Bombay Velvet :)
The music… it’s the best bloody music in a Hindi film for a long long time.
The thumbnail made me smile . How cute you're looking.
What Anurag Kashyap missed in Bombay Velvet he covered up in Sacred Games.
Hi, this particular discussion and the choice of re-reviewing Bombay Velvet has quite resonated with me. Especially because when I had just watched it (sometime after its release), I was quite surprised to know that the film didn't do well commercially.
This happens with me quite often. I remember feeling the same way about Roy too (though not the same intensity). I prefer Bombay Velvet over and above Roy but the latter wasn't as bad it was declared after its release. It certainly had some redeeming qualities. Maybe, you guys can pick up Roy for a re-review.
I have another request. The other day I was watching Fight Club. The two third part of it made me feel like it was the best film I have ever watched. Just so so good with its content (critique of the capitalist-consumerist way of lives to set the stage for nihilism and anarchism). Just a lot of nuanced philosophy through the dialogues of Brad Pitt's character - presented in a simple way for audience who doesn't necessarily read academic discourses on the same. I just somehow felt a bit disconnected with the last parts of the film. Here is a spoiler alert but I am quite certain that both of you have already watched it. It has such cult following. Cinema lovers would know it already. So, the part where it is revealed that Brad Pitt's character (throughout) was the un-conscious of the lead character reveals the intelligence of the story teller. I hadn't at all seen it coming. Pitt's character was so so smooth (one ot his best performances, in my regard). But something wasn't right about this twist. Perhaps the execution of the screen play. I will some day read the book from which the film was adapted. I am hoping that the book perhaps did more justice to this intelligent twist of brining in the unconscious rebellion of the subject's psyche. I find it intelligent also because I read a lot around the academic concept 'Hegemony'. I won't get into its elaboration but it shall suffice to say that the most nuanced position on this concept brings psycho-analysis into dialogue with marxism. And thus talks about the role of the unconscious of subjects living under and giving consent to the hegemony of capitalist ways of thinking and being. It is thus my hypothesis that the story writers turn to the unconscious of the lead character was a very intelligent move. Perhaps it was the cinematic execution of the same which faltered.
I would be interested in hearing your thoughts about the same.
I know this sounds stupid but I would love a retake on Saawariya!! Such beautiful songs are not created anymore.. Abhi isko Ranbir fest bana do!!! Also Rocket Singh...
I can imagine Bombay Velvet being a mini series were Kashyap could’ve explored the whole gold smuggling/newspaper baron/Mill business/Bombay police nexus.
But then would big stars do a series (since it’s not the big screen) because a big budget is warranted due to the ‘60s period look’ and what not.
Bombay Velvet is not cringy nor a remotely badly movie - it was just not entertaining enough and definitely not for a mass audience. From a financial standpoint, if you’re gonna make an expensive movie you would have to target a large audience and the big audience of India is not made up of the elites or even the middle class so how would they appreciate the hard work of Amit Trivedi’s attempt at Jazz music or the production design of the club or the VFX (which was very decent) or the whole noir/Hollywood golden age gangster movie aesthetics.
It’s not the audience’s fault that it doesn’t appeal to their sensibilities or Anurag’s filmmaking - Fox Studios and Phantom should’ve known better and should’ve went for a television series or tried a lower budget with reasonable compromising without affecting the narrative.
Can you please do a FC retake on Delhi 6?
Hmm interesting one. I need to revisit that film. I watched it when I was a kid but I need to go back
Amit Trivedi Anurag Kashyap are like Mani Ratnam AR Rahman
It's like a classic case of - too many chefs spoil the broth. Coming together of all big players, but failed to achieve a common goal
That closeted repressed love pf Kaizad khambata is so on point. Thank god I wasn't the only one who thought this.
I think you could've really talked about the original full length version of Bombay Velvet which is still somewhere in the cans.
We all know there was also a lot of Raveena Tandon in the movie as well, so the possibility of more of Vicky Kaushal can also be there.
I just wish the audiences demanded a director's cut for this film as well.
We need to watch it!
@@nisargdalal5840 mostly it doesn't happen with Indian movies, but many movies have different versions and get re-released either in theatres, festivals, or simply added when the DVD comes out.
We love this 2 💕❤️💕
I actually wanna recommend Tashan. View it without all that hype of the time, expecting what you're gonna get. The unabashed, unapologetic masala potboiler with nothing held back.
It was really entertaining. Bacchan pandey was lit
Thank you so much for doing this. What I felt while watching Bombay Velvet in theatres was, okay this is good, something better will come. And it never came. The second half was way too convoluted and yes, Bollywood-ish. Going in as an AK fan, you want something out of the box to happen, but unfortunately, that didn't. But if we remove all the baggage and expectations, it's a pretty decent movie and a really cool tribute to the movies like The Roaring Twenties.
Of course, the best thing about this movie was Amit Trivedi's music and background score. The soundtrack is easily one of the Top 5 Bollywood albums post 2000. Behroopia has been my go-to song when I need some peace, since the day I watched the movie.
One of the other things I clearly remember about the movie is how close it comes to the HBO series Boardwalk Empire, which incidentally is also produced by Martin Scorsese initially and ran from 2010-2015. So that show more or less has amazing jazz numbers in alternate episodes. The beats of an old-school jazz club with eccentric singers and dancers are strikingly similar, and almost of the same great quality. I remember that because I was bingeing on that show at the time this movie released.
Are you sure the second half was convoluted? It was a lot more simple than the first half when I recently watched it
Your so lucky you got to watch this film in theatre, I had to watch it on my laptop recently 😭😭. Tommy guns, 90s vibes, the jazz, the grandeur sets, rich men in suits and the classic old Bombay. Damn I cant believe you got to witness this fine wine in theatre. Also the climax where Ranbir slashes everyone with tommy guns and dies a big shot. If only I had witnessed it in theatres...
I remember watching Bombay Velvet in theatre it was only me and my 5 friends watching the movie and not a single person was there.
We need more of Rahul on FC 😊
Anurag Kashyap is probably one director who would have agreed to be a part of this conversation. He may have needed a drink or two to get through it and say his point of view. Certainly its a film that does not deserve to live in the infamy it does.
Please do a Retake on Death in The Gunj. Its a brilliant film that dint get as popular
Amit trivedi is the heart of the film❤️❤️
now you talk about it in all its glory. back in 2015, you both rated it 2.5. Anupama says, " you and I were the only 2 people who saw the good things in it"
Just watched it yesterday and found it fairly entertaining, better than when I watched it then
The concept of the transformation of Bombay by the hands of the builders is excellent.
The movie had great potential but something went wrong
Detective Byomkesh Bakshi please..it is a masterpiece of a movie..the background score..the acting..the story..One has to be a Byomkesh bakshi fan to truly truly have a complete joyride watching the movie..I had so much fun..I cannot even put it into words..put out a Byonkesh Bakshi revisit..maybe that'd give Dibakar a nudge to make a sequel..
After your retake I finally watched the movie and oh boy it was so good, it was better than so many of his movies including sanju, I feel very sad that people spend money on movies like housefull 4, race 3 radhe but the same people bash Bombay velvet.
Love your retake episodes. Can you guys do one on No Smoking? I know Rahul doesnt like the film but if possible please do a retake on it.
When did rahul say he didnt like the film?
Just watched the film for the first time. I liked it for sure, but something felt missing. The ambition behind it is clearly shown.
Kudos Anupama Mam and Rahul. Amazing combo. Made my day. 💐
Detective Byomkesh Bakshy
Loved it . Thank you
Rahul is the reviewer who called tamasha and wolf of wall street, tragedies. 😂😂😂
I didn't like it the time it was released. I admit i had gone forgetting it was an Anurag Kashyap's film. Will surely watch it again . Thanks for the insight you two. It's always a pleasure .