I know this is just a sparring session, but for the judo of the guy to be more effective, you two would had to be fighting in the street, since only 1 judo takedown in the street is able to incapacitate any opponent. As it was just a sparring, jiu-jitsu has a lot of advantages over judo...
Rokas you have a 31lbs weight advantage & big height advantage. If you want to do an accurate BJJ vs Judo comparison then you have to spar a judoka your own size. I think this is a fair criticism.
@@utkuerdin6944 I have to agree, I am a white belt over 220lbs / 100kgs and I get tapped every single time by blue belts 20kgs/45lbs less heavier than me. You have to do bjj to understand that and I'm not even talking about more advanced belts
@@cadeirudo3231 Yes I know but when both men are skilled grapplers, size matters especially for takedowns which is why it’s not fair for the judoka in this video. If you want to do a fair judo vs bjj comparison then it’s more accurate if both men are the same size.
I started Judo after about 6 months into my BJJ journey in order to improve my stand up and have seen a huge difference in my game. I'd highly recommend anybody who trains one or the other and do both.
Personally I wouldn’t recommend it until you’re a blue belt in BJJ. It’s better to focus on one while you’re still learning then learn another to incorporate.
@@User61918 For judo, ground fighting, newaza, is really separated from tachi waza, standing throwing, except for in the us apparently. So as a judoka, go ahead and start doing bjj whenever you want, just remember that bjj will be mostly for newaza.
To be honest, your explanation of cross-training in BJJ and judo is just Japanese Jujutsu. I had done judo for 29yrs and later started practicing a type of jujutsu called aiki-jujutsu, so it also includes aikiwaza. You learn to do tachiwaza and aikiwaza to take down your opponent to do newaza. Therefore, the most generalized difference between traditional Japanese Jujutsu and BJJ is that the latter doesn't include the tachiwaza.
Guys do what you love I would recommend. I trained Bjj for like 6-7 months in Germany with a great Armenian and Chechen coach but sadly they stop to train because we had no gym anymore, it was a great time and I hope they will start soon. After that journey I search for a other spot where I can train bjj but here in Germany it is not really popular to do grappling type of sports but then luckily I find a great gym where you have all of bodybuilding and some good martial arts all in one, I started to do Judo and a bit wrestling there and my coach is a popular guy in German judo he was a Worldchampion in Judo&Sambo. The Training ist just high level, i train with guys who fight in the German Bundesliga and there so strong ! We do at least 1x weak Newaza training. So I think there are so much good combinations in martial arts or things like MMA where you have a big from everything but in the end of the day the best martial art is where you are the happiest I think.
Growing up, I went to a dojo that allowed you to train and belt up in both Judo and and a form of Japanese Jujutsu. Today I'm super grateful for the crosstraining. Today I have a great instinct for throws from Judo, and a ground game from Jujutsu. Realy, I often also forget where one art ends and the other begins.
I am going to be bold here; 3 main points: 1. You're 13kg heavier. This is key in this session 2. You're not attacking. Gasper is taking all the risks and you're just waiting for him to do stuff. I feel that - especially after the judo v judo session you should have been the agressor, given your weight advantage. For instance, we still didn't learn if you can for a takedown on him using bjj rules. 3. He is attacking with turn throws, which doesn't make sense when he knows you're just waiting to take his back. He probably opts for this because of the size difference, nevertheless, he has many other - more safe approaches.
Also going to add as a black belt in judo Gasper still has a lot of practice to do to be doing the techniques as taught by Jigoro Kano. I have been extremely disappointed in the direction judo has taken in the last 2 decades as its focus has been lost on how to maneuver your opponent with minimal effort and use your opponents motion to defeat them. If you notice gaspers techniques are all telegraphed and he has no severe disruption of your center of gravity. This coupled with his lack of commitment to the throws is why you were able to get his back on his throws. If he committed as the technique is supposed to be done you would be hitting the mat hard enough to knock the wind out of you and he would be setup for a armbar or choke on you before you could recover. Also all the foot sweeps either of you attempted were very poorly timed and as a result did not show just how effective they can be for bringing your oppenent to the ground with minimal effort and setup for a Ude Hishigi Juji Gatame. Weight wont make much difference if he was a master of manipulating his opponents balance and did not telegraph his techniques so much. All that being said I appreciate your attempt at showing how judo vs bjj and aikido works. I have myself sparred against many bjj, hapkido and taekwondo in an attempt to better learn the weaknesses of judo and where its strengths are.
@@eliminster06This right here. Black belt 1st dan too, I can confidently say that height and weight do not matter at all if you really know how to maneuver around different types of bodies. There are only 5 people left in my dojo 3 of which are black belts, and man, because of the limited numbers we have, there is my black belt friend who is 1.59 cm often sparring against my other friend who is also a black belt 1.75 cm. Because of this, I've learned that its better to focus on the lower parts of the body against taller opponents, than to try to throw them. Also, because of my small friend here I've learned how devastatingly effective leg sweeps can be. The moment you take a step forward to put your feet down, just to feel nothing under it. Dude is a beast reading tempos.
I've been practicing BJJ for years and started judo a few weeks ago and I'm loving it! It's very elegant and it has already given me a bit more confidence in BJJ while starting on my feet.
Hey how would wrestling fit into the mix ? Does that have more of an advantage over the other 2 you’ve done or less of an advantage ? How could each one or perhaps combo of any 2 be good in a street fight ? Basically Bjj Judo Wrestling You can only pick 2 which would make the best combo for street fighting and self defence ?
@@bradd188 Pick up BJJ as a base (for proficiency in submissions & ground fighting) and supplement it with either Judo or wrestling. You won't go wrong with either, just do what's cooler to you.
Your grappling has improved SOOO MUCH! I just watched the video of you trying to use Aikido against an MMA fighter for the very first time, right before watching this video. The progress you have made is truly impressive, and inspiring. Ive been watching your videos for a few years now, and its so great to watch you grow and evolve. What are you are doing is incredibly important for the martial arts community. You sharing your martial arts journey with the world is helping the community itself to also grow and evolve. Your videos are a priceless contribution.
i have been doing judo for almost 20 years now and I recently started bjj to try to improve my ground game and I have to say not only i was already pretty able to defend myself against experieced ju jitsu people but i also improved my ground game and I noticed it was also the other way orund, they learned from me a lot of throws and positions. at the end of the day i believe that jj and judo are so closely realted anyone trying the other is going to improve somehow
-73 vs -90 is a huge difference that usually results in the complete absence of hard throws on the lighter side. Also it looks like a very friendly and light randori so he's obviously not trying to knock out anyone. Going against BJJ you should know to avoid groundwork and choose your techniques accordingly, but that is something you can't do going 2 weight classes up. I don't think this is realistic, at least not with IJF Judo.
I don’t have much experience with Judo or BJJ, but I do practice wado ryu karate which is karate mixed with jiu jiutsu, that has more throws, grappling, locks and ground techniques than other styles of karate (still very limited compared to judo and BJJ though) And yeah the BJJ guy has both the weight and hight advantage. The weight difference obviously makes a huge difference. But from my experience the height does as well, throwing someone who has a longer torso and arms than you, makes it a lot harder. If someone is a lot taller than you, many techniques basically become unusable. My best sparring have always been with people who are about the same weight and hight as me. Especially for throws and ground techniques. But that said, it does absolutely seem like Judo has a lack of techniques and defence against BJJ techniques once you are on the floor.
@@IQzminus2 they have different allowed techniques on the ground. It looks like Rokas has about 7 years grappling experience (excluding aikido). A competitor Judoka is almost always a black belt within 7 years. It’s a bigger, stronger guy going, “I’ll take on the smaller less experienced guy”. Judo practitioners aren’t uncommon, so it shouldn’t be hard for him to find a guy with the same size and experience. It makes this seem more like a personal preference.
in reference to the blue belt it’s fair. blue belts are only around 8months to 2 years into the sport so yes obviously the brown belt isn’t gonna be as good as you who has done it for 27 years
I notice your Akido techniques are becoming more useful as you expose them to pressure testing and incorporate other techniques. Very interesting... I'm really not sure the full extent of what that means but it's fun to watch!
It means, in my opinion, you can make use of traditional martial arts you learned when you transition to modern martial arts, but that doesn't justify training them for that as there are better options
I'm pretty sure BJJ would lose a lot of its functionality if it was practiced like Aikido. Imagine only practicing armbars and chokes with non-resisting opponents: You would be just as confused in a real fight as Rokas was in his first MMA sparring video. So I suspect Aikido is this underwhelming not because of the actual validity of the techniques, but the amount of pressure testing of the techniques.
@@SatoshiEK The only thing that makes a difference is sparring with a partner. That just introduces you to s resisting stimulus making you able to perform the techniques better. Sparring or having a resisting person is always better than practicing with a complying opponent. Of course granted you actually learn the techniques a few times with cooperation THEN immediately move onto resisting.
The main reason I clicked on this video is that I did judo for around 8+ years, and now Jiu Jitsu for around 10+. I started judo when I was 4 and climbed my way up to a blue/purple belt, almost becoming a purple belt at 12 or 13. I started Jiu-Jitsu while I was doing judo and switched completely to only Jiu-Jitsu when I was around 13. I am now a blue belt in Jiu Jitsu and I still use loads of Judo! I found that since I have done both of these martial arts I have an advantage at both the top and the bottom. I am currently 16 years old and I am still competing in tournaments using both judo and Jiu-jitsu. I would recommend doing both if you can! This was a very interesting video to watch and I want to say that these are both very skilled people in the sport they play! Thanks for reading! Also, I have a highlight video on my channel if you want to see my Judo in a Jiu Jitsu tournament!
Nice, so our problem of exposing our backs to the opponent is not isolated hehe. I feel much better now, thank you! Me and my Judo students are always struggling with it. My wife is great taking the back and getting a submission, though xD
did judo for a few years in the 80s and we spent about half the time on the ground. Now tried BJJ and did quite well-- even vs blue belts. The weight difference is massive in the vid. It's hard to say much about BJJ vs Judo in this vid because they are in compeltely different weight classes.
It's really fucking annoying when your opponent just keeps stiff arming you and keeping a low center of mass. The usual way to combat this is with a lot of pushing and shoving, and timing a sweep or an opportunity to close the gap. But with your height and weight advantage, that's not really an option for him.
@@ismaelmunoz336 how so? judo knows how to deal with it from standing armbars. but are ruled out of competition. still studied. is it something appart from standing submissions?
My 2 cents on this: I've "randoried" against a BJJ practicioner under Judo rules some years ago, when I was at the top of my Judo game. The clear difference I took from that sparing was that BJJ focuses heavily on overwhelming your oponent with force, while judo focuses on outsmarting your oponent. In this video, I noticed the lack of footwork from the Judoka. When facing a heavier/stronger/futher reaching oponent, sweeping his feet out with speed right before he shifts his weight to that feet is fundamental. I've took down 100kg judokas simplying by sweeping counter attacking at the right time. You will never win on brute force, thus you have to outsmart or outspeed your oponent. (I was about 70kg at the time)
As a bjj blue in judo, I tried the exact same thing. I got thrown like I was a toy, but from the ground, the judoka tended to get tapped quickly. You are what you drill I suppose
@@VexedCoffee Agreed. Kosen Judo has a fantastic arsenal on the ground and is what BJJ spawned from anyway. They should be ensuring that it stays alive in Judo by practicing it at least 40% of the time on the mat. No reason not to nowadays
@@Polentaccio completely agree, I feel like a lot of dojo’s are too focused on the competition judo rather then Kano style which teaches you it as a self defence style. I enjoy BJJ as it contains a lot of Kano JJ.
@@Polentaccio bjj did not spawn from kosen judo. kosen judo was merely a different rule format that allowed for more newaza through university tournaments in the 50's. bjj was already almost 2.5 decades developed by then. do your research.
You are what you drill, exactly. In my judo club we had players who predominantly fought standing up while others liked going for the win on the ground. Obviously the latter judo player will have an advantage in BJJ compared to the former. Also, judo styles vary from region to region so there's a lot of Mongolian and Russian judo players who have a background in their traditional wrestling styles. I suppose that these judo players would also fare quite well against BJJ players. It's simply a matter of how and for what purpose you train.
The thing about Judo is that it look more cool than BJJ... They created artificial really nice rules that prohibits ugly techniques and allows nice techniques.
overall nice video. obviously 13kg of difference does give massive advantage- you could see him going more for what he described as Kamikaze throws- sacrifice throws/Kata guruma etc (it's obvious that he had done that to gather more momentum to be able to throw you. there are loads of judokas that represents completely different style and after each throw establish good top control and go straight to the pin/hold down. still with 6 minutes rounds judo pin might not hold that long so judoka would have to rely that his opponent gets hurt when hitting the ground. i remember a while back as 3 stripes white belt I was able to tap lighter blue belts no problem- so it's the same kind of scenario. same weight judoka with agressive style and good grip fighting can "bully "average bjj guys in stand up even better
Spar Travis Stevens BJJ vs Judo. Lol j/k. Good video but for a better comparison it would be best to have a partner of similar size or else the bigger guy will always be able to use their weight to their advantage.
@Acronym normally judo white belt with 6 months + of experience should toss bjj blue belt if equal size or slightly bigger. here however Rokas does have experience in MMA and played very deffensively.
@@frederickmorton275 No, blue belts in BJJ have at least 1.5 - 5 years of experience and will take the back or counter the throw with one of their own most of the time. Our belt ranks take a lot longer to attain than in Judo, FYI.
@@micaylapresley i have said that same weight judoka can bully same weight bjj guy in STAND UP. and I have never seen any bjj guy without prior judo or wrestling experience countering experienced judoka or wrestler with the throw of their own- if it does happen it would be a very rare thing. as to bjj i have trained it long before I started judo. and as blue belt my throws and take down were shit and still would be if it wasn't for judo
I did Judo for a while and then some BJJ, and coming back I definitely felt that I gained an extreme edge on the ground against Judoka who would dominate me in the standing match.
As a Judoka who also practiced BJJ, this is nice to see. It’s good to know where the deficits lie in each art so that I can blend them together and be the best I can be!
I can agree with this however BJJ has been shown to be unaffected against full style judo with leg grabs and more complex ground game. You have the Gracie hunters and several others who have beaten the best BJJ people ever at their own game.
I'm a Judo guy from Australia who discovered BJJ a few years ago and now cross train and love them both. I've even taken a few nogi wrestling classes which are also great fun.
I also have many years doing Judo. The things you point out for the most part in the differences, are not differences in the styles but rather in the senseis. ISU Judo club was always very good in the groundwork and would often beat other Dojos there. Having done some practical fighting and also a lot of experiences being thrown from horses, I can tell you that a good throw knocking the wind out of an opponents lungs makes them helpless for a brief amount of time. So some will spend to much time on. The throws, but then others not enough. Also since most of the time people don't do any real fighting in the styles, people develop a dojo mentality wherein they don't understand the purpose of the technique and therefore fail to complete it. Against the BJJ people I have encountered, the tend to lack throws, and then execute their technique poorly, but that is not the styles fault , just theirs. Watching your video I am convinced that these are the same style trying to pretend they are different.
This isn’t necessarily saying that Jiu Jitsu is better than Judo. It may be because some Judo schools don’t practice ground techniques. It all depends on your Judo school.
@@Jake-pm3pz BJJ, judo is still either some combat sport totally disconnected from actual fights or some mystical japanese traditional magic to wine every fight without brute strength
@@fred9796 There are many video’s of BJJ and Judo guys winning street fights and MMA fights. Slamming people on the ground and strangling, breaking bones all requires brute strength combined with technique, its not “mystical traditional magic” lol.
Great job! I really like how you are trying to integrate the different styles by revealing strengths and weaknesses of each style and individual practitioner. Ultimately, all styles should complement reach other and should be integrated to become a complete martial artist. There is no one style that is better than another style but rather that one style may fit a particular situation better than another situation. Wisdom is discerning what technique is most appropriate for each ever changing situation and applying it correctly. History repeats itself. In past, karate started out as the most popular and effective style. Nowadays, BJJ has become the more popular and effective style. In future, people will see the limitations of BJJ and a new style will emerge as more popular and effective. The spread of karate back then, then Judo, then TKD, and now BJJ are all result of mass marketing that promise to fulfill unmet subconscious needs and fears, which can be exploited while fulfilling as well. Most important thing is to raise awareness about different motivations that drive people and the world to move in a particular direction for that age. Stay focused on the positives. Well done!
To make sure that your martial art works, you have to spar against resistance, any martial art without this component is pretty much useless as the moves are just for hollywood so no, it's not about the person, it's about both the style and the person.
BJJ vs Judo vs Aikido! Great to see this breakdown. Size matters of course, but then that’s a good test for Aikido. Glad to see you went for Iriminage. Will be interesting to see you spar across styles after some Tomiki training! Gedan ate and shomenate specifically. Maybe try the four finger grip rokkyo or nikkyo setup. Or spin under sankyo. Well done Rokas!
This is a really cool style of video! As someone who has practiced Hapkido for most of my life, and only recently took up Judo, seeing the styles go back and forth definitely speaks to me..thanks for sharing
When i learned Judo in the 70- 80thies as a young kid 8 till 13 , the school I trained at had a sign saying : ' Judo - Jiujitsu '..I thought I was learning Judo, and there must have been another teacher or another class doing Jiujitsu or something like that . We did used throws and then straight into submission. When BJJ came in fashion with MMA , I realized that all the groundwork I learned back then, the guillotines, headlocks etc was actually the Jiujitsu part. Took me two decades to realize in hindsight that i learned Jiujitsu all along.
@@spiritualanarchist8162 Shuai Jiao + Sumo + Other Japanese Folk Arts --> A smorgasbord of "Ju Jutsu" styles -> Tenjin Shinyo-ryu and Kito-ryu + some techniques from other JJ styles -> Kano Ju Jutsu (Later known as Judo) -> Brazilian Jiu Jitsu -> ?Present Day?
It’s all fun and stuff but non of it could used to draw any conclusions or convictions. Size was too much, Also the belt system is not equal, you are way more skilled than him. And I mean a lot lot more skilled, you should have just tried judo vs bjj, instead Sport judo vs BJJ. He either has a very limited knowledge of actual judo or just decided not to use it because he thought you meant competition judo which would make this a stomp outright. Judo (at least the one I know) has double leg and single leg takedowns, they have dozens of submission (banned from competition), they allowed legs in more scenarios, judo before all these shitty rules didn’t encourage you to go for suicide attempts because of time problems or even LAY FLAT ON YOUR STOMACH. (What art teaches that, absolutely moronic.) Judo can be good as martial art or self defense, if you get a better teacher and fuck the rules. Listen I would literally pick BJJ over judo, especially because most BJJ school also mix in judo and I would 100% pick Gracie over pretty much any other art. But this is just disrespectful for the name of judo. But for the love of god this was over before it started. Man only tried competition rules, didn’t go for any real original judo techniques, showed the classic suicide attempts because they are used to the inactivity penalties, and overal the skill and size gap was already too big, he didn’t try to explode once even tho exploding with timing decides literally everything in judo. There is just too much wrong with that we just whitenessed, it was entertaining but please don’t use this or encourage other people to use this to draw even a slight conclusion.
A lot of the guysin my Judo club would cross train bjj. It was beneficial for everyone myself included. I did some rolling at some bjj places I was thinking of joining and it felt the same as when we would do newaza in judo and people were often surprised to see I knew what I was doing.
i've been doing bjj for quite some time now, and i wish i had a judo class near me for proper takedown learnings. The two sports are not antagonists, they are brothers and we should master them both. A skilled judoka is an absolute threat. Respect to both sports!
the judoka will be far better at takedowns, but the bjj fighter will think “I’ll be thrown to the ground anyways, but the ground is my advantage, so I’ll just let him take me and then win by grappling”.
I feel the main advantage Judo would have in a street fight is a situation against multiple attackers. If you throw one guy hard on the ground, you can run away immediately. BJJ is for situations when fighting one on one with an opponent, using technique and leverage.
Your sparring looks great! It makes me wonder though, why separate your aikido sparring from your judo sparring? It seems like aikido works best when your opponent is busy defending against another attack, such as a throw. I wonder if you paired judo with aikido, (using judo as your primary form of attack, and used aikido as a means of responding to opposing grips), what the result would be. Great content as always, thanks Rokas!
Yes! I imagine Muay Thai clinching combined with Judo, Aikido and BJJ. From there this stuff can merge into an excellent fighting style without the limits of each style.
I'm always so impressed by Rokas's humility. He's always so humble and ready to actually own his mistakes and learn from them, in a very optimistic way. Great job, dude, keep the journey going and I hope you learn more and more; eventually, your experiences are gonna be invaluable to future generations.
Yes I noticed that too cause the way he's trying to throw instantly without doing kuzushi. Would like to know the gym he trained at too. The fact that he's given a brown belt despite his abilities might indicate he might have trained in a mcdojo.
You must be an older man. The "goal" for many sport judoka nowadays, especially for young men, is to treat it more like wrestling or sambo, just imposing your will with strength. It seems especially for europeans, this is the game. I've noticed Americans are so unique person to person, the only things you can say about American judoka are "they like the grip game, and they like newaza". Aka "whatever travis stephens is doing". While japanese are usually very focused on pure technique and koreans are focused on unique entrances and new forms of old throws. For many europeans, like France and russia, it seems they focus more on strength and less on technique, so this seems to make sense.
I don’t really like the fact that a lot of judo techniques leave your back open to your opponent or are too dependent on the gi grip. Trained in it for a few years but ultimately felt it wasn’t really for me.
Honestly, this is why I harp on personal style. If you find your game is gi dependent and has nothing but turning / drop throws then I agree. But if you use the trips, sweeps, reaps, and hip-sweep throws (uchi mata, harai goshi, etc) you'll find they work even better in No-Gi AND they are super hard to resist by just taking the back.
@@Zz7722zZ Which throws do you mean? Osoto Gari, Ko/Ouchi Gari, Sasae Tsurikomi Ashi, De Ashi Barai are all high percentage and you never put your back to the opponent. Done right, you never give your back to your opponent in Uchi Mata (leg Style). Harai Goshi done more like a reap after an Ouchi Gari, Osoto Gari, or Failed Uchi Mata is super safe, since your opponent is usually way off balance for a back take. On a more basic level, if you can get into the position, Koshi Guruma and O Goshi may put your back to the opponent, but because you've got a headlock or seatbelt control, its almost impossible for them to "take your back" if you get your hip through. I feel the throws that give your back a lot are ippon seoi (especially drop), Tsurikomi Goshi, and Tai Otoshi. If your opponent breaks a grip on your sode tsurikomi goshi, you're also cooked.
Somewhere out there, John Danaher is pursing his lips in contemplation. Also... this is amazing. It's right smack bang in the middle of the thought provoking questions that keep me up at night. I watch a lot of Japanese "this martial art meets this martial art" style videos, but this, Pressure Testing, is really where it's at. Also, there's a lot to be said about "Accumulating Experience" for sets, where you familiarise your opponent's move-sets with each passing round, even if the ruleset is different each time, you've instinctively picked up on your opponents habits and target priority. Your Aikido has ABSOLUTELY become functional now, because you no longer 'need' it. You have to talk about 'Meta' as well. Do you notice that when you go for an Aikido technique, your opponent then starts hiding their hands ? The 'threat' of a move coming exposes them to other techniques. The more your vocabulary of technique the more 'threats' you pose to your opponent, making it easier you to take their back or go for a single leg or vice versa.
Meta is a good conversation to have. Something as simple as passivity rules or duty to attack rules MASSIVELY changes how athletes play the game. For example, in Judo its completely acceptable to walk away from a ground fight. Not so in BJJ. That's not even going into scoring and penalties which fundamentally change what attributes and techniques are selected for.
as i laso practise aikiod..then judo and bjj...little muay thai and ninpo...i am glad that your journey havve make a tremendous progress...many lessons learned...amazing
I don’t do either Sports but it seems a bit unfair to me Judo only specializes to get you on the Ground and Bjj to submit you with Ground Work so the Judo Guy can’t really do anything😂
The weight and height difference was massive, and it really showed as he struggled to get in close to pull off any hard throws. With that said, you can see the BJJ's dominance when it comes to the ground game, which is where Judo (being a standing-grappling focused art) is not as developed.
Judo is not a standing-grappling focused art. It's actually conceived as 50% standing work, 50% ground work, but isn't trained or taught that way very often (also depending on the particular school and location in the world) because of how it's done as a sport and the imposed ruleset. Pretty much everything that is found in BJJ can also be found in the original Kodokan syllabus, just under different names.
Any competent judoka is now good on the ground. They do newaza only classes (pure ground) judo is the complete martial art for grappling and submissions
There is a massive size difference man. This isn't an indication of anything. Also, there are some green belts out there who are much more aggressive and capable at Judo out there than this guy. Judo requires power speed technique and aggression or you just can't complete the throws. : Obviously this is a friendly match so that also adds more to the problem.
That's an interesting video, good job ! But I think we also need to remember that 14 kilos of difference is FUCKING MASSIVE Like, if you tried to take on a good 100kg judoka, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be fun. So congrats to Gaspar, he's a brave guy.
man i love seeing your journey and how you keep incorporating your aikido. Have you tried both of those techniques against a "streetfighter" to see how they would do in a self defense situation? that would be interesting to see
7:26 Fascinating to me that you'd call your attempt at iriminage a success...when in fact it was complete failure. The judoka reacted like any non-aikidoka would react and completely neutralized your attempt to enter and throw in the fashion that every Aikidoka in the world has come to expect. Indeed, the judoka's neutralization of your irminage attempt was so complete you had to abandon it altogether and transition to a decidedly non-Aikido wrapping up from behind. (Same goes for multiple kotegaeshi attempts but I did not have the patience to note their time stamps....multiple moments where you appeared to have full control of the wrist and full kotegaeshi...and yet your partners simply walked out of it.) How can any of that be marked as success for Aikido technique? I genuinely appreciate your courage and willingness to open your Aikido up to validation testing this way. You are a rarity in the Aikido world. I admire it...I genuinely do. But I think you are engaging in HUGE rationalizations to avoid reaching the obvious conclusion: Aikido simply does not work outside Aikido practice with other Aikidoka.
As a Judoka myself for the last 12 years, I think the Judoka in the video wasn't a good example. I could see that he missed a lot opportunities in the ground and standing.
Very interesting, but the weight difference is too significant imho - can’t really draw any conclusions due to the weight differential other than Judo is not as good in the ground because Newaza is not trained as in depthly as in BJJ and I’ve always disfavored the Judo rule set where you can win in a throw ippon where you get your back taken - nevertheless, Judo is very effective and can be deadly on concrete. I’ve rolled with Judo brown and black belts…my size…super tough.
That is an interesting experiment but it also depends on the type of Judoka you are sparring against. Clearly this Judoka is primarily taught to go for throws for the ippon and doesn't have much grappling experience, almost like in Olympic rules. My Judo instructor was handed a purple belt the first time he rolled with BJJ guys (they later merged their clubs) as he is an amazing old school Judo grappler too. Now they all learn together, splitting the classes and the Judokas can roll; if it goes to the ground, you keep going for the submission. Other local Judo clubs don't focus on that, so as soon as it goes to the ground they simply give you their back for the choke. Different rules and styles depending on the club...
Nice, but I would have found it more interesting if you would equalize the setting. * Same Gis (Rokas used an BJJ-Gi, while the Judoka used a Judo-Gi which is easier to grip at the sleeve). * Also the weight difference made it very boring to watch, because in the BJJ rounds the body weight was used heavily as a advantage. regards Arthur
Judo and BJJ are natural extensions of each other. When I trained Judo, we would start on the feet, try to throw each down, and would continue grappling on the ground until somebody tapped out. Probably not textbook Judo or BJJ training, but felt natural during sparring sessions.
People say that judo lacks groundwork but in my dojo we do it 50/50 lol. Idk about you but we do 1 technique for ne waza and usually about 3 variants on that technique, and then exactly the same for tachi waza. We do ne waza randori and tachi waza randori EVERY class.
Fellow Judokas it's the end of time, we're getting beat by an Aikidoka. Let's turn back the clock and reinstate what has been lost throughout the years except for flying scissor takedown those can stay banned. All jokes aside nice video Rokas keep it up.
Always fun to watch your stuff Rokus. Personally I'd like you to throw in some (light) MMA rules sparring since ultimately all these Martial Arts should be functional when strikes are allowed as well, even if you aren't trying to punch a hole through the other person. Judo is a fantastic Martial Art, but it sometimes feels its technique for techniques sake, meaning it's looking for every side of the coin in terms of countering a technique. BJJ, at least originally ignored a lot of Judo because it was so focused on a strategy (the basic strategy being to always look to increase your control of your opponent). That's what I always felt was missing from Judo, it was all these amazing techniques but it was sort of up to you figure out how to apply. In BJJ there's never any question of the objective. It's a core strategy that uses a small subset of Judo to accomplish that strategy. Though to be honest, I think BJJ is suffering from the same pressure to just keep adding techniques and now a lot of BJJ is sport oriented, which is why I think it should always be practiced with a little bit of an MMA mindset, even if that striking is minimal. Just to keep the BJJ practical as a fighting art. You can see with the Judo a lot of the techniques would be bad ideas for an actual fight, even though the technique itself is unquestionably skilled, required timing, agilely, etc. It's just tactically unsound outside of the Judo rule set. Again BJJ is not without criticism here too.
I partially disagree. If you hop on r/bjj or r/judo (reddit) you'll see hundreds of active members who cross train regularly. There's an accepted method of using Judo to win BJJ matches, and an accepted method of using BJJ to win Judo matches. Within these methods, you have specific techniques that are useful for crossing into the other ruleset. I think a lot of the disconnect comes from what constitutes as "effective." Some Judoka can make their Judo work in cage fights and self defense. Others can't. Same applies to BJJ. We try to simulate what we think is effective via rules and competition. We have to ask ourselves, what is more practical... BJJ's slow, methodical pursuit of submissions and transitions between top positions? Or Judo's explosive takedowns coupled with quick submissions and crushing pins? Or is it rather that one approach works in one set of circumstances and not another? In the end, its unfortunate that I can't get as "good on the ground" as a BJJ guy and "as good at standing grappling" as a Judoka all in one place. I encourage cross-training with as many martial arts as possible so as to discover your optimum moveset. The relentless "style vs. style" arguments have crept too far into the mainstream. Even with Rokas, I see him taking digs at Judo for BJJs sake, whereas someone like Chadi will do the opposite (side with Judo). Let go and train!
@@lamesurfer1015 For the record, nothing wrong with Judo, it's a wonderful Martial Art. The techniques are legit (which I wouldn't say about all Martial Arts). I can get a little sideways when people refer to BJJ as "Basically Just Judo", because it implies that if you studio Judo you've also learned BJJ. They are actually wonderful Martial Arts to cross train because the share the common ancestry.
@@bryantharris5914 Oh yeah. I hate the "Basically Just Judo" bit. I like to rag on people with that thought process in r/judo, by saying Judo is just wrestling in pajamas.
I'd like to see a tutorial on that one Aikido wrist lock thing that worked. I'm very curious to know how you managed to pull it off on trained fighters. And by the way, beautiful Kesa Gatame (Scarf Hold) Armbars!
Looks too friendly to be a actual definitive test of styles. Interesting still to see the techniques against each other. Actually pretty funny to watch you both doing 2 different styles.
Your journey is incredible! You're really growing into your own and it's wonderful to see. Also great to see that a blue belt BJJ can take on a brown belt judo
Yea the judo guy was a lot smaller for one but the problem is he didn’t establish good kazushi (offbalance) before attempting most of his throws. No disrespect to the judoka
@@mattonthemoon225 Not really, you just have to utilize techniques that make sense for a bigger opponent. regardless of whether your doing bjj or judo if you're smaller and weaker you are at a disadvantage
@@evision4418 I practiced Judo in the past and sometimes I engaged randori with a ex-rugby player, double of my size. Even if you master a lot of stand up techniques as I do as a blue belt I ensure you that's not so easy to use them when you have a huge gap, he always won using his size and weight. I know that a Judo black belt could make it, but it is not the same. Bjj gives people like me (a not-so-tall blue belt man) the possibility to manage it in a better way.
So cool! That is my goal in my bjj is trying to incorporate wrestling and judo. Wrestling uses positional advantage to fight only half a person by trying to be perpendicular to your opponent. While judo focuses on taking down someone by exposing the plane and fighting the whole person. If you can do the 2 of them you should be able to takedown opponents in both scenarios.
I just started Judo in November. I wrestled for 3 years (folkstyle, greco, freestyle) in HS & missed it too much. After I get more comfortable with Judo, I want to start BJJ with the same approach! Best of luck 🙏🏼
@@timothylee6023 Great game plan. Learn that Ashi-Waza as it will fill in huge gaps (because its just not trained as often) between Greco and Folkstyle. Don't neglect your Newaza (aim to do atleast 30-40% of your Randori on the ground). ABSOLUTELY DO NOT NEGLECT your Standing to Ground transitions. When you finally roll up to a BJJ gym, they'll have to trundle up the big boi's (Purps or above) to give you a workout.
I think you should spar a seasoned Judo black belt of a similar size. I don't think much is to be learned from engaging in randori from someone who's still essentially getting a grasp on the fundamentals of judo.
The brown belt wasn't very good or he was going easy. His kuzushis and entries don't even compare to the juniors or cadets on the competitive circuit. His competition record isn't much either.
Great format, the quality of your content keeps improving. I am not an aikidoka, but I have practiced judo and bjj and still roll with friends sometimes. Aikido fascinates me cause of its elegance and I've been following you for a while now and I got very interested in this "let's make it work process". I tired on my own with my grappling friends and I found out that some of the techniques work well for my self although I can't say it's true aikido it's surely taken from it. For instance I find the ikkyo principle to be useful when in a back to belly clinch, specially in the presence of a wall like in mma. From the same position I've noticed that a submission that I think comes from ikido is very efficient, I don't know the name of it but its basically trapping the arm and using your body to put pressure on the opponent's elbow.
I'm also a huge fan of the let's make it work thought process. I like to see people pressure testing techiques they've come up with or from somewhere else. I think what a lot of people dont realize is that a lot of the traditional martial arts have good techiniques in them or at the very least good concepts/foundations for techniques and write them off as impractical with the way martial arts has evolved into what it is today. That's not to say that theres a lot of tecniques from traditional martials that dont work cuz theres a god number that don't but rather that theres still value in learning them even if you have no intention of implementing them the same way they are taugh in their respective martial art. For instance i saw a grib breaking technique from hapkido i think(cant remeber excatly) and the only thing wrong with it was it was to big of movement. It wasn't energy efficent and left an opening to be exploited if your opponent isn't married to that grip. However i use a version of it thats might tighter and faster in my bjj hand fighting.
so whats the purpose of the test if the baseline is fucked from the begining? - Casper is 10kg+ lighter - Casper obviously is weak physically - Casper has no explosiveness The experiment is: - lets test judo vs bjj when I'm fighting a 10year old. A judoka would fuck you up. Casper seems like a noob Judoka, probably got his belt from wallmart.
After doing Judo/Sambo hybrid for about a year I recently started at a no gi BJJ gym. I have the same problem has the judoka here they always take my back and I realized that most of the subs Ik require gi grips lol
You mean in Judo, right? It's not really meant to take the fight to the ground in order to do BJJ, is it? I mean I guess apparently it can serve that purpose as well. I think his videos are geared more towards BJJ/MMA/UFC fans which you would think would cause him to care more about weight classes/size differences.
My father is a judoka who earned his black belt in the early to mid 70s. He lost contact with the sport and as a treat I took him to the 2012 olympics to see the judo, he was horrified and basically wanted to leave before the end. Said it wasn’t the sport he did and couldn’t understand how after every throw they just stopped, there was no ground game compared to what he said it used to be. Its a shame judo went that route as it’s damaged the sport long term giving bjj the opportunity to grow in that space. I started with judo and bjj at the same time and it was a simple decision for myself.
Bias in favor of BJJ.. why are practitioners of BJJ always trying to prove they are the best?? Why not just be contented with being an effective grappling art which is at par with other martial arts..
I started BJJ after 35 years of being a traditional Judoka. Here is where I was decently good day one. 1. Take downs and throws 2. Grip Fighting 3. Side control 4. The ability to rapidly transition techniques and snatch submissions while doing so. 5. Balance/base/weight distribution/sense of balance and opponent’s balance 6. Overall competitive aggressiveness and ability to rapidly transition and fake/faint techniques 7. Wrist locks and standing submissions Where BJJ has really helped: 1. Escaping, defending and surviving bad positions on the ground 2. Guard and fighting from your back 3. Over all stamina, strength and fitness 4. Improved ground-based submissions 5. Helping use body structure and fundamentals to improve ground fighting 6. Guard passing 7. Fighting without gi or street clothes equivalent
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bjj can only win if they train wresteling or judo takedowns
Is it fair to say judo and bjj are comparable? I think it would be interesting to see japanese jiu-jitsu vs bjj.
I know this is just a sparring session, but for the judo of the guy to be more effective, you two would had to be fighting in the street, since only 1 judo takedown in the street is able to incapacitate any opponent. As it was just a sparring, jiu-jitsu has a lot of advantages over judo...
Rokas you have a 31lbs weight advantage & big height advantage. If you want to do an accurate BJJ vs Judo comparison then you have to spar a judoka your own size. I think this is a fair criticism.
While certainly true, I'm not sure any BJJ blue belt would beat a BJJ brown belt even with a 31 lbs advantage unless they're a prodigy.
@@utkuerdin6944 I have to agree, I am a white belt over 220lbs / 100kgs and I get tapped every single time by blue belts 20kgs/45lbs less heavier than me. You have to do bjj to understand that and I'm not even talking about more advanced belts
@@imhassane so you improve your skills, bjj and judo were founded and designed to the lighter and weak surpass and win against a heavier and strong
@@cadeirudo3231 I'm only 4 months in and I'm improving.
@@cadeirudo3231 Yes I know but when both men are skilled grapplers, size matters especially for takedowns which is why it’s not fair for the judoka in this video. If you want to do a fair judo vs bjj comparison then it’s more accurate if both men are the same size.
I started Judo after about 6 months into my BJJ journey in order to improve my stand up and have seen a huge difference in my game. I'd highly recommend anybody who trains one or the other and do both.
Personally I wouldn’t recommend it until you’re a blue belt in BJJ. It’s better to focus on one while you’re still learning then learn another to incorporate.
@@User61918 For judo, ground fighting, newaza, is really separated from tachi waza, standing throwing, except for in the us apparently. So as a judoka, go ahead and start doing bjj whenever you want, just remember that bjj will be mostly for newaza.
To be honest, your explanation of cross-training in BJJ and judo is just Japanese Jujutsu. I had done judo for 29yrs and later started practicing a type of jujutsu called aiki-jujutsu, so it also includes aikiwaza. You learn to do tachiwaza and aikiwaza to take down your opponent to do newaza. Therefore, the most generalized difference between traditional Japanese Jujutsu and BJJ is that the latter doesn't include the tachiwaza.
Guys do what you love I would recommend. I trained Bjj for like 6-7 months in Germany with a great Armenian and Chechen coach but sadly they stop to train because we had no gym anymore, it was a great time and I hope they will start soon. After that journey I search for a other spot where I can train bjj but here in Germany it is not really popular to do grappling type of sports but then luckily I find a great gym where you have all of bodybuilding and some good martial arts all in one, I started to do Judo and a bit wrestling there and my coach is a popular guy in German judo he was a Worldchampion in Judo&Sambo. The Training ist just high level, i train with guys who fight in the German Bundesliga and there so strong ! We do at least 1x weak Newaza training. So I think there are so much good combinations in martial arts or things like MMA where you have a big from everything but in the end of the day the best martial art is where you are the happiest I think.
Growing up, I went to a dojo that allowed you to train and belt up in both Judo and and a form of Japanese Jujutsu. Today I'm super grateful for the crosstraining. Today I have a great instinct for throws from Judo, and a ground game from Jujutsu. Realy, I often also forget where one art ends and the other begins.
I am going to be bold here; 3 main points:
1. You're 13kg heavier. This is key in this session
2. You're not attacking. Gasper is taking all the risks and you're just waiting for him to do stuff. I feel that - especially after the judo v judo session you should have been the agressor, given your weight advantage. For instance, we still didn't learn if you can for a takedown on him using bjj rules.
3. He is attacking with turn throws, which doesn't make sense when he knows you're just waiting to take his back. He probably opts for this because of the size difference, nevertheless, he has many other - more safe approaches.
You made the same comment I did, but more concise. These are all excellent points.
yup... on all three accounts
2 of your main points were addressed in the video before the halfway point.
Also going to add as a black belt in judo Gasper still has a lot of practice to do to be doing the techniques as taught by Jigoro Kano. I have been extremely disappointed in the direction judo has taken in the last 2 decades as its focus has been lost on how to maneuver your opponent with minimal effort and use your opponents motion to defeat them. If you notice gaspers techniques are all telegraphed and he has no severe disruption of your center of gravity. This coupled with his lack of commitment to the throws is why you were able to get his back on his throws. If he committed as the technique is supposed to be done you would be hitting the mat hard enough to knock the wind out of you and he would be setup for a armbar or choke on you before you could recover. Also all the foot sweeps either of you attempted were very poorly timed and as a result did not show just how effective they can be for bringing your oppenent to the ground with minimal effort and setup for a Ude Hishigi Juji Gatame. Weight wont make much difference if he was a master of manipulating his opponents balance and did not telegraph his techniques so much. All that being said I appreciate your attempt at showing how judo vs bjj and aikido works. I have myself sparred against many bjj, hapkido and taekwondo in an attempt to better learn the weaknesses of judo and where its strengths are.
@@eliminster06This right here.
Black belt 1st dan too, I can confidently say that height and weight do not matter at all if you really know how to maneuver around different types of bodies. There are only 5 people left in my dojo 3 of which are black belts, and man, because of the limited numbers we have, there is my black belt friend who is 1.59 cm often sparring against my other friend who is also a black belt 1.75 cm. Because of this, I've learned that its better to focus on the lower parts of the body against taller opponents, than to try to throw them.
Also, because of my small friend here I've learned how devastatingly effective leg sweeps can be. The moment you take a step forward to put your feet down, just to feel nothing under it. Dude is a beast reading tempos.
I've been practicing BJJ for years and started judo a few weeks ago and I'm loving it! It's very elegant and it has already given me a bit more confidence in BJJ while starting on my feet.
你應該學太極拳.是柔道的始祖.太極拳還可以表演.你學的這兩種都沒有表演功能只有對練表演
Hey how would wrestling fit into the mix ? Does that have more of an advantage over the other 2 you’ve done or less of an advantage ? How could each one or perhaps combo of any 2 be good in a street fight ?
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Bjj
Judo
Wrestling
You can only pick 2 which would make the best combo for street fighting and self defence ?
@@bradd188 Pick up BJJ as a base (for proficiency in submissions & ground fighting) and supplement it with either Judo or wrestling. You won't go wrong with either, just do what's cooler to you.
@@lm10_dxz91 ok awesome thank you
Your grappling has improved SOOO MUCH! I just watched the video of you trying to use Aikido against an MMA fighter for the very first time, right before watching this video. The progress you have made is truly impressive, and inspiring. Ive been watching your videos for a few years now, and its so great to watch you grow and evolve. What are you are doing is incredibly important for the martial arts community. You sharing your martial arts journey with the world is helping the community itself to also grow and evolve. Your videos are a priceless contribution.
i have been doing judo for almost 20 years now and I recently started bjj to try to improve my ground game and I have to say not only i was already pretty able to defend myself against experieced ju jitsu people but i also improved my ground game and I noticed it was also the other way orund, they learned from me a lot of throws and positions. at the end of the day i believe that jj and judo are so closely realted anyone trying the other is going to improve somehow
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-73 vs -90 is a huge difference that usually results in the complete absence of hard throws on the lighter side. Also it looks like a very friendly and light randori so he's obviously not trying to knock out anyone. Going against BJJ you should know to avoid groundwork and choose your techniques accordingly, but that is something you can't do going 2 weight classes up. I don't think this is realistic, at least not with IJF Judo.
well. to be fair, rokas didnt really attack either. If gaspar didnt attack we would have seen no action nor score whatsoever.
I don’t have much experience with Judo or BJJ, but I do practice wado ryu karate which is karate mixed with jiu jiutsu, that has more throws, grappling, locks and ground techniques than other styles of karate (still very limited compared to judo and BJJ though)
And yeah the BJJ guy has both the weight and hight advantage.
The weight difference obviously makes a huge difference.
But from my experience the height does as well, throwing someone who has a longer torso and arms than you, makes it a lot harder.
If someone is a lot taller than you, many techniques basically become unusable.
My best sparring have always been with people who are about the same weight and hight as me. Especially for throws and ground techniques.
But that said, it does absolutely seem like Judo has a lack of techniques and defence against BJJ techniques once you are on the floor.
@@IQzminus2 they have different allowed techniques on the ground. It looks like Rokas has about 7 years grappling experience (excluding aikido). A competitor Judoka is almost always a black belt within 7 years. It’s a bigger, stronger guy going, “I’ll take on the smaller less experienced guy”. Judo practitioners aren’t uncommon, so it shouldn’t be hard for him to find a guy with the same size and experience. It makes this seem more like a personal preference.
It was only fun
The 73kg person should hope that nobody bigger than him ever attacks him.
Sorry for this but that judoka isn't good. I've been practicing judo for 27 yrs and I can tell he still needs a very long way to go.
27 years???!? Damn how far are you in ranking if you don’t mind me asking?
in reference to the blue belt it’s fair. blue belts are only around 8months to 2 years into the sport so yes obviously the brown belt isn’t gonna be as good as you who has done it for 27 years
I notice your Akido techniques are becoming more useful as you expose them to pressure testing and incorporate other techniques. Very interesting... I'm really not sure the full extent of what that means but it's fun to watch!
It means that he is better than the usual Akido cultist who doesn't spar.
It means, in my opinion, you can make use of traditional martial arts you learned when you transition to modern martial arts, but that doesn't justify training them for that as there are better options
@@vincentlee7359 indeed
I'm pretty sure BJJ would lose a lot of its functionality if it was practiced like Aikido. Imagine only practicing armbars and chokes with non-resisting opponents: You would be just as confused in a real fight as Rokas was in his first MMA sparring video. So I suspect Aikido is this underwhelming not because of the actual validity of the techniques, but the amount of pressure testing of the techniques.
@@SatoshiEK The only thing that makes a difference is sparring with a partner. That just introduces you to s resisting stimulus making you able to perform the techniques better.
Sparring or having a resisting person is always better than practicing with a complying opponent. Of course granted you actually learn the techniques a few times with cooperation THEN immediately move onto resisting.
The main reason I clicked on this video is that I did judo for around 8+ years, and now Jiu Jitsu for around 10+. I started judo when I was 4 and climbed my way up to a blue/purple belt, almost becoming a purple belt at 12 or 13. I started Jiu-Jitsu while I was doing judo and switched completely to only Jiu-Jitsu when I was around 13. I am now a blue belt in Jiu Jitsu and I still use loads of Judo! I found that since I have done both of these martial arts I have an advantage at both the top and the bottom. I am currently 16 years old and I am still competing in tournaments using both judo and Jiu-jitsu. I would recommend doing both if you can! This was a very interesting video to watch and I want to say that these are both very skilled people in the sport they play! Thanks for reading!
Also, I have a highlight video on my channel if you want to see my Judo in a Jiu Jitsu tournament!
Judo has purple belts?
@@TheWhyme01 No. :D
@@TheWhyme01 Yeah my gym had purple belts.
@@TheWhyme01 yes
@@Mason-Alexander they’re not recognised legitimately tho
Nice, so our problem of exposing our backs to the opponent is not isolated hehe. I feel much better now, thank you! Me and my Judo students are always struggling with it. My wife is great taking the back and getting a submission, though xD
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She pegs you?
@@Mikketamakulo she does haha she is great
Turtle guard
Ayo that is a healthy relationship right there
did judo for a few years in the 80s and we spent about half the time on the ground. Now tried BJJ and did quite well-- even vs blue belts. The weight difference is massive in the vid. It's hard to say much about BJJ vs Judo in this vid because they are in compeltely different weight classes.
It's really fucking annoying when your opponent just keeps stiff arming you and keeping a low center of mass. The usual way to combat this is with a lot of pushing and shoving, and timing a sweep or an opportunity to close the gap. But with your height and weight advantage, that's not really an option for him.
My “go-to” technique for stiff arming used to be waki-gatame, but sadly most grappling schools don’t allow it anymore. My Judo school sure didn’t.
Yeah or just also stiff arming. But then again. Both are assize and nobody is getting thrown 😅
@@ricksterdrummer2170 if aikido was allowed in judo stiff arming would be a thing of the past in like a month hahaha
@@ismaelmunoz336 how so? judo knows how to deal with it from standing armbars. but are ruled out of competition. still studied. is it something appart from standing submissions?
Eat a bunch of beans beforehand and release.
My 2 cents on this: I've "randoried" against a BJJ practicioner under Judo rules some years ago, when I was at the top of my Judo game. The clear difference I took from that sparing was that BJJ focuses heavily on overwhelming your oponent with force, while judo focuses on outsmarting your oponent. In this video, I noticed the lack of footwork from the Judoka. When facing a heavier/stronger/futher reaching oponent, sweeping his feet out with speed right before he shifts his weight to that feet is fundamental. I've took down 100kg judokas simplying by sweeping counter attacking at the right time. You will never win on brute force, thus you have to outsmart or outspeed your oponent. (I was about 70kg at the time)
This judoka wouldn't get close to a green belt in a serious judo gym.
@@notaloverofwisdom1232 true, he isn't that good.
As a bjj blue in judo, I tried the exact same thing. I got thrown like I was a toy, but from the ground, the judoka tended to get tapped quickly. You are what you drill I suppose
One of the things I appreciate about freestyle judo is they give more time for newaza, while still rewarding good throws (and allow leg take downs!)
@@VexedCoffee Agreed. Kosen Judo has a fantastic arsenal on the ground and is what BJJ spawned from anyway. They should be ensuring that it stays alive in Judo by practicing it at least 40% of the time on the mat. No reason not to nowadays
@@Polentaccio completely agree, I feel like a lot of dojo’s are too focused on the competition judo rather then Kano style which teaches you it as a self defence style.
I enjoy BJJ as it contains a lot of Kano JJ.
@@Polentaccio bjj did not spawn from kosen judo. kosen judo was merely a different rule format that allowed for more newaza through university tournaments in the 50's. bjj was already almost 2.5 decades developed by then. do your research.
You are what you drill, exactly. In my judo club we had players who predominantly fought standing up while others liked going for the win on the ground. Obviously the latter judo player will have an advantage in BJJ compared to the former. Also, judo styles vary from region to region so there's a lot of Mongolian and Russian judo players who have a background in their traditional wrestling styles. I suppose that these judo players would also fare quite well against BJJ players.
It's simply a matter of how and for what purpose you train.
The thing about Judo is that it look more cool than BJJ... They created artificial really nice rules that prohibits ugly techniques and allows nice techniques.
overall nice video. obviously 13kg of difference does give massive advantage- you could see him going more for what he described as Kamikaze throws- sacrifice throws/Kata guruma etc (it's obvious that he had done that to gather more momentum to be able to throw you. there are loads of judokas that represents completely different style and after each throw establish good top control and go straight to the pin/hold down. still with 6 minutes rounds judo pin might not hold that long so judoka would have to rely that his opponent gets hurt when hitting the ground. i remember a while back as 3 stripes white belt I was able to tap lighter blue belts no problem- so it's the same kind of scenario. same weight judoka with agressive style and good grip fighting can "bully "average bjj guys in stand up even better
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Spar Travis Stevens BJJ vs Judo. Lol j/k. Good video but for a better comparison it would be best to have a partner of similar size or else the bigger guy will always be able to use their weight to their advantage.
@Acronym normally judo white belt with 6 months + of experience should toss bjj blue belt if equal size or slightly bigger. here however Rokas does have experience in MMA and played very deffensively.
@@frederickmorton275 No, blue belts in BJJ have at least 1.5 - 5 years of experience and will take the back or counter the throw with one of their own most of the time. Our belt ranks take a lot longer to attain than in Judo, FYI.
@@micaylapresley i have said that same weight judoka can bully same weight bjj guy in STAND UP. and I have never seen any bjj guy without prior judo or wrestling experience countering experienced judoka or wrestler with the throw of their own- if it does happen it would be a very rare thing. as to bjj i have trained it long before I started judo. and as blue belt my throws and take down were shit and still would be if it wasn't for judo
As a guy who used to train judo and left it at the orange belt for BJJ 10 years ago this video is really interesting...
I really enjoyed the format of this video and the good faith experimentation. I would love to see more of this sort of thing.
I did Judo for a while and then some BJJ, and coming back I definitely felt that I gained an extreme edge on the ground against Judoka who would dominate me in the standing match.
As a Judoka who also practiced BJJ, this is nice to see. It’s good to know where the deficits lie in each art so that I can blend them together and be the best I can be!
I can agree with this however BJJ has been shown to be unaffected against full style judo with leg grabs and more complex ground game. You have the Gracie hunters and several others who have beaten the best BJJ people ever at their own game.
I'm a Judo guy from Australia who discovered BJJ a few years ago and now cross train and love them both. I've even taken a few nogi wrestling classes which are also great fun.
I also have many years doing Judo. The things you point out for the most part in the differences, are not differences in the styles but rather in the senseis. ISU Judo club was always very good in the groundwork and would often beat other Dojos there. Having done some practical fighting and also a lot of experiences being thrown from horses, I can tell you that a good throw knocking the wind out of an opponents lungs makes them helpless for a brief amount of time. So some will spend to much time on. The throws, but then others not enough. Also since most of the time people don't do any real fighting in the styles, people develop a dojo mentality wherein they don't understand the purpose of the technique and therefore fail to complete it. Against the BJJ people I have encountered, the tend to lack throws, and then execute their technique poorly, but that is not the styles fault , just theirs. Watching your video I am convinced that these are the same style trying to pretend they are different.
This isn’t necessarily saying that Jiu Jitsu is better than Judo. It may be because some Judo schools don’t practice ground techniques. It all depends on your Judo school.
This new trend of questioning and testing traditional martial arts is just what I've waited for decades
Judo and BJJ are already established as legit and have both had success in MMA.
@@Jake-pm3pz BJJ, judo is still either some combat sport totally disconnected from actual fights or some mystical japanese traditional magic to wine every fight without brute strength
@@fred9796 There are many video’s of BJJ and Judo guys winning street fights and MMA fights.
Slamming people on the ground and strangling, breaking bones all requires brute strength combined with technique, its not “mystical traditional magic” lol.
@@fred9796 do you even know where BJJ came from lol
Well, that solves that. Time to learn Bjj, Judo and Aikido.
Great job! I really like how you are trying to integrate the different styles by revealing strengths and weaknesses of each style and individual practitioner. Ultimately, all styles should complement reach other and should be integrated to become a complete martial artist.
There is no one style that is better than another style but rather that one style may fit a particular situation better than another situation. Wisdom is discerning what technique is most appropriate for each ever changing situation and applying it correctly.
History repeats itself. In past, karate started out as the most popular and effective style. Nowadays, BJJ has become the more popular and effective style. In future, people will see the limitations of BJJ and a new style will emerge as more popular and effective.
The spread of karate back then, then Judo, then TKD, and now BJJ are all result of mass marketing that promise to fulfill unmet subconscious needs and fears, which can be exploited while fulfilling as well.
Most important thing is to raise awareness about different motivations that drive people and the world to move in a particular direction for that age.
Stay focused on the positives. Well done!
To make sure that your martial art works, you have to spar against resistance, any martial art without this component is pretty much useless as the moves are just for hollywood so no, it's not about the person, it's about both the style and the person.
I'm honestly not trying to be confrontational, here, but the main weakness appears not to be the style but the opponent.
Saw this last year, and now seeing it again after taking a few BJJ classes, I definitely came back to it with new eyes.
BJJ vs Judo vs Aikido! Great to see this breakdown. Size matters of course, but then that’s a good test for Aikido. Glad to see you went for Iriminage. Will be interesting to see you spar across styles after some Tomiki training! Gedan ate and shomenate specifically. Maybe try the four finger grip rokkyo or nikkyo setup. Or spin under sankyo. Well done Rokas!
can you give me the summary - who won?
Size doesnt matter tho
Aikido does not work, you never spar with resistance so of course you will never believe it.
Nice to see you did your research and presented the history of each martial art. Always great to see educational and fun content!
This is a really cool style of video! As someone who has practiced Hapkido for most of my life, and only recently took up Judo, seeing the styles go back and forth definitely speaks to me..thanks for sharing
I like how the coach was so respectful to the judoka he even gave him tips on how to better imply his judo techniques in the no gi scenario👏🏽 OG coach
When i learned Judo in the 70- 80thies as a young kid 8 till 13 , the school I trained at had a sign saying : ' Judo - Jiujitsu '..I thought I was learning Judo, and there must have been another teacher or another class doing Jiujitsu or something like that . We did used throws and then straight into submission. When BJJ came in fashion with MMA , I realized that all the groundwork I learned back then, the guillotines, headlocks etc was actually the Jiujitsu part. Took me two decades to realize in hindsight that i learned Jiujitsu all along.
Bjj just came from judo
@@oneguy7202 Or is it the other way around ?
I don't remember. But yes, they used to be one and the same style, and overtime it got split up .
@@spiritualanarchist8162
Shuai Jiao + Sumo + Other Japanese Folk Arts --> A smorgasbord of "Ju Jutsu" styles -> Tenjin Shinyo-ryu and Kito-ryu + some techniques from other JJ styles -> Kano Ju Jutsu (Later known as Judo) -> Brazilian Jiu Jitsu -> ?Present Day?
It’s all fun and stuff but non of it could used to draw any conclusions or convictions. Size was too much, Also the belt system is not equal, you are way more skilled than him. And I mean a lot lot more skilled, you should have just tried judo vs bjj, instead Sport judo vs BJJ.
He either has a very limited knowledge of actual judo or just decided not to use it because he thought you meant competition judo which would make this a stomp outright. Judo (at least the one I know) has double leg and single leg takedowns, they have dozens of submission (banned from competition), they allowed legs in more scenarios, judo before all these shitty rules didn’t encourage you to go for suicide attempts because of time problems or even LAY FLAT ON YOUR STOMACH. (What art teaches that, absolutely moronic.)
Judo can be good as martial art or self defense, if you get a better teacher and fuck the rules. Listen I would literally pick BJJ over judo, especially because most BJJ school also mix in judo and I would 100% pick Gracie over pretty much any other art. But this is just disrespectful for the name of judo.
But for the love of god this was over before it started. Man only tried competition rules, didn’t go for any real original judo techniques, showed the classic suicide attempts because they are used to the inactivity penalties, and overal the skill and size gap was already too big, he didn’t try to explode once even tho exploding with timing decides literally everything in judo.
There is just too much wrong with that we just whitenessed, it was entertaining but please don’t use this or encourage other people to use this to draw even a slight conclusion.
A lot of the guysin my Judo club would cross train bjj. It was beneficial for everyone myself included. I did some rolling at some bjj places I was thinking of joining and it felt the same as when we would do newaza in judo and people were often surprised to see I knew what I was doing.
i've been doing bjj for quite some time now, and i wish i had a judo class near me for proper takedown learnings. The two sports are not antagonists, they are brothers and we should master them both. A skilled judoka is an absolute threat. Respect to both sports!
It’s crazy how far you have come Rokas! You are now able to dominant a trained fighter! Respect.
the judoka will be far better at takedowns, but the bjj fighter will think “I’ll be thrown to the ground anyways, but the ground is my advantage, so I’ll just let him take me and then win by grappling”.
I feel the main advantage Judo would have in a street fight is a situation against multiple attackers. If you throw one guy hard on the ground, you can run away immediately. BJJ is for situations when fighting one on one with an opponent, using technique and leverage.
BJJ in street fight is fucking suicidal. Even in 2v1 you are literally asking to have your head stomped in. Either run or grab a weapon
True but a BJJ practitioner will also be proficient enough to take down an untrained attacker(s), just not as good as a Judoka.
Totally agree on the final thought, we should expose these martial arts to each other in order to improve them. Great video!
Your sparring looks great! It makes me wonder though, why separate your aikido sparring from your judo sparring? It seems like aikido works best when your opponent is busy defending against another attack, such as a throw. I wonder if you paired judo with aikido, (using judo as your primary form of attack, and used aikido as a means of responding to opposing grips), what the result would be. Great content as always, thanks Rokas!
That’s the way it’s taught in Japanese Ju-Jutsu. The way the samurais did it.
Yes!
I imagine Muay Thai clinching combined with Judo, Aikido and BJJ. From there this stuff can merge into an excellent fighting style without the limits of each style.
@@mortalkomment8028 like some kind of... mixed... martial art
Aikido is useless, that's why its separated
@@DerekJordao no it’s not
I like how you mention the flaws and the benefits in all your breakdowns (during fights or simply between fighting styles etc)
I'm always so impressed by Rokas's humility. He's always so humble and ready to actually own his mistakes and learn from them, in a very optimistic way. Great job, dude, keep the journey going and I hope you learn more and more; eventually, your experiences are gonna be invaluable to future generations.
I just need to know - which is better?
@@nofurtherwest3474 (as a general but not all-encompassing rule) no martial is better than the other it depends
@@snichelsticks8653 thanks
@@nofurtherwest3474 you're welcome
"I try to use my Aikido skills against judo."
Basically bringing a spork to a gunfight.
in Brazil it's not difficult to find a plenty of people that are both judo and Jiu-jitsu black belt
Gasper is a novice at judo. Where did he get his brown belt??
Yes I noticed that too cause the way he's trying to throw instantly without doing kuzushi.
Would like to know the gym he trained at too. The fact that he's given a brown belt despite his abilities might indicate he might have trained in a mcdojo.
You must be an older man. The "goal" for many sport judoka nowadays, especially for young men, is to treat it more like wrestling or sambo, just imposing your will with strength. It seems especially for europeans, this is the game.
I've noticed Americans are so unique person to person, the only things you can say about American judoka are "they like the grip game, and they like newaza". Aka "whatever travis stephens is doing".
While japanese are usually very focused on pure technique and koreans are focused on unique entrances and new forms of old throws.
For many europeans, like France and russia, it seems they focus more on strength and less on technique, so this seems to make sense.
I don’t really like the fact that a lot of judo techniques leave your back open to your opponent or are too dependent on the gi grip. Trained in it for a few years but ultimately felt it wasn’t really for me.
which techniques?
Honestly, this is why I harp on personal style. If you find your game is gi dependent and has nothing but turning / drop throws then I agree. But if you use the trips, sweeps, reaps, and hip-sweep throws (uchi mata, harai goshi, etc) you'll find they work even better in No-Gi AND they are super hard to resist by just taking the back.
@@user-md2fm7ik2z my go-to throws are ippon seoinage and harai goshi
@@lamesurfer1015 unfortunately these throws are higher percentage ones in competition/randori, at least for me and my peers.
@@Zz7722zZ Which throws do you mean?
Osoto Gari, Ko/Ouchi Gari, Sasae Tsurikomi Ashi, De Ashi Barai are all high percentage and you never put your back to the opponent.
Done right, you never give your back to your opponent in Uchi Mata (leg Style). Harai Goshi done more like a reap after an Ouchi Gari, Osoto Gari, or Failed Uchi Mata is super safe, since your opponent is usually way off balance for a back take.
On a more basic level, if you can get into the position, Koshi Guruma and O Goshi may put your back to the opponent, but because you've got a headlock or seatbelt control, its almost impossible for them to "take your back" if you get your hip through.
I feel the throws that give your back a lot are ippon seoi (especially drop), Tsurikomi Goshi, and Tai Otoshi. If your opponent breaks a grip on your sode tsurikomi goshi, you're also cooked.
Wow such humble attitude and learning mindset.
Somewhere out there, John Danaher is pursing his lips in contemplation.
Also... this is amazing. It's right smack bang in the middle of the thought provoking questions that keep me up at night.
I watch a lot of Japanese "this martial art meets this martial art" style videos, but this, Pressure Testing, is really where it's at.
Also, there's a lot to be said about "Accumulating Experience" for sets, where you familiarise your opponent's move-sets with each passing round, even if the ruleset is different each time, you've instinctively picked up on your opponents habits and target priority.
Your Aikido has ABSOLUTELY become functional now, because you no longer 'need' it.
You have to talk about 'Meta' as well.
Do you notice that when you go for an Aikido technique, your opponent then starts hiding their hands ? The 'threat' of a move coming exposes them to other techniques. The more your vocabulary of technique the more 'threats' you pose to your opponent, making it easier you to take their back or go for a single leg or vice versa.
This isn't pressure testing
Meta is a good conversation to have. Something as simple as passivity rules or duty to attack rules MASSIVELY changes how athletes play the game. For example, in Judo its completely acceptable to walk away from a ground fight. Not so in BJJ. That's not even going into scoring and penalties which fundamentally change what attributes and techniques are selected for.
as i laso practise aikiod..then judo and bjj...little muay thai and ninpo...i am glad that your journey havve make a tremendous progress...many lessons learned...amazing
I am really excited to see where your aikido journey will get you. I will keep watching your progress, and I wish you success!
I don’t do either Sports but it seems a bit unfair to me Judo only specializes to get you on the Ground and Bjj to submit you with Ground Work so the Judo Guy can’t really do anything😂
The weight and height difference was massive, and it really showed as he struggled to get in close to pull off any hard throws.
With that said, you can see the BJJ's dominance when it comes to the ground game, which is where Judo (being a standing-grappling focused art) is not as developed.
Judo is not a standing-grappling focused art. It's actually conceived as 50% standing work, 50% ground work, but isn't trained or taught that way very often (also depending on the particular school and location in the world) because of how it's done as a sport and the imposed ruleset.
Pretty much everything that is found in BJJ can also be found in the original Kodokan syllabus, just under different names.
Any competent judoka is now good on the ground. They do newaza only classes (pure ground) judo is the complete martial art for grappling and submissions
There is a massive size difference man. This isn't an indication of anything. Also, there are some green belts out there who are much more aggressive and capable at Judo out there than this guy. Judo requires power speed technique and aggression or you just can't complete the throws.
: Obviously this is a friendly match so that also adds more to the problem.
That's an interesting video, good job !
But I think we also need to remember that 14 kilos of difference is FUCKING MASSIVE
Like, if you tried to take on a good 100kg judoka, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be fun.
So congrats to Gaspar, he's a brave guy.
I really appreciate that Gaspar was open to do this!
Yes. Small people should hope that big people don't attack them on the street, instead of eating more.
@@-whackd food is expensive my guy
I always appreciate seeing martial artists put their skills to the test in real sparring, always interesting! Both great skillsets!
man i love seeing your journey and how you keep incorporating your aikido. Have you tried both of those techniques against a "streetfighter" to see how they would do in a self defense situation? that would be interesting to see
The weight difference is too much and the Judoka doesn't seem to be used to fighting people in weight classes above him...
7:26 Fascinating to me that you'd call your attempt at iriminage a success...when in fact it was complete failure. The judoka reacted like any non-aikidoka would react and completely neutralized your attempt to enter and throw in the fashion that every Aikidoka in the world has come to expect. Indeed, the judoka's neutralization of your irminage attempt was so complete you had to abandon it altogether and transition to a decidedly non-Aikido wrapping up from behind. (Same goes for multiple kotegaeshi attempts but I did not have the patience to note their time stamps....multiple moments where you appeared to have full control of the wrist and full kotegaeshi...and yet your partners simply walked out of it.)
How can any of that be marked as success for Aikido technique?
I genuinely appreciate your courage and willingness to open your Aikido up to validation testing this way. You are a rarity in the Aikido world. I admire it...I genuinely do. But I think you are engaging in HUGE rationalizations to avoid reaching the obvious conclusion: Aikido simply does not work outside Aikido practice with other Aikidoka.
"Despite bjj1s dominance"
Not 'bjj's' dominance. Your dominance. Mainly due to the heavy weight difference.
As a Judoka myself for the last 12 years, I think the Judoka in the video wasn't a good example. I could see that he missed a lot opportunities in the ground and standing.
The weight difference plays a big part
@@frengo96 u calling him fat
Enjoying the content! History part was so amazing too, best summary I've seen!
Very interesting, but the weight difference is too significant imho - can’t really draw any conclusions due to the weight differential other than Judo is not as good in the ground because Newaza is not trained as in depthly as in BJJ and I’ve always disfavored the Judo rule set where you can win in a throw ippon where you get your back taken - nevertheless, Judo is very effective and can be deadly on concrete. I’ve rolled with Judo brown and black belts…my size…super tough.
That is an interesting experiment but it also depends on the type of Judoka you are sparring against. Clearly this Judoka is primarily taught to go for throws for the ippon and doesn't have much grappling experience, almost like in Olympic rules. My Judo instructor was handed a purple belt the first time he rolled with BJJ guys (they later merged their clubs) as he is an amazing old school Judo grappler too. Now they all learn together, splitting the classes and the Judokas can roll; if it goes to the ground, you keep going for the submission. Other local Judo clubs don't focus on that, so as soon as it goes to the ground they simply give you their back for the choke. Different rules and styles depending on the club...
Nice, but I would have found it more interesting if you would equalize the setting.
* Same Gis (Rokas used an BJJ-Gi, while the Judoka used a Judo-Gi which is easier to grip at the sleeve).
* Also the weight difference made it very boring to watch, because in the BJJ rounds the body weight was used heavily as a advantage.
regards Arthur
Judo and BJJ are natural extensions of each other. When I trained Judo, we would start on the feet, try to throw each down, and would continue grappling on the ground until somebody tapped out. Probably not textbook Judo or BJJ training, but felt natural during sparring sessions.
People say that judo lacks groundwork but in my dojo we do it 50/50 lol. Idk about you but we do 1 technique for ne waza and usually about 3 variants on that technique, and then exactly the same for tachi waza. We do ne waza randori and tachi waza randori EVERY class.
Fellow Judokas it's the end of time, we're getting beat by an Aikidoka. Let's turn back the clock and reinstate what has been lost throughout the years except for flying scissor takedown those can stay banned. All jokes aside nice video Rokas keep it up.
Haha. Good one 👊
Nice to see how the differences that have evolved over time affect to engagement.
Always fun to watch your stuff Rokus. Personally I'd like you to throw in some (light) MMA rules sparring since ultimately all these Martial Arts should be functional when strikes are allowed as well, even if you aren't trying to punch a hole through the other person.
Judo is a fantastic Martial Art, but it sometimes feels its technique for techniques sake, meaning it's looking for every side of the coin in terms of countering a technique. BJJ, at least originally ignored a lot of Judo because it was so focused on a strategy (the basic strategy being to always look to increase your control of your opponent). That's what I always felt was missing from Judo, it was all these amazing techniques but it was sort of up to you figure out how to apply. In BJJ there's never any question of the objective. It's a core strategy that uses a small subset of Judo to accomplish that strategy.
Though to be honest, I think BJJ is suffering from the same pressure to just keep adding techniques and now a lot of BJJ is sport oriented, which is why I think it should always be practiced with a little bit of an MMA mindset, even if that striking is minimal. Just to keep the BJJ practical as a fighting art. You can see with the Judo a lot of the techniques would be bad ideas for an actual fight, even though the technique itself is unquestionably skilled, required timing, agilely, etc. It's just tactically unsound outside of the Judo rule set. Again BJJ is not without criticism here too.
Was thinking that too. In a real encounter, no one sticks their face forward like that
I partially disagree. If you hop on r/bjj or r/judo (reddit) you'll see hundreds of active members who cross train regularly. There's an accepted method of using Judo to win BJJ matches, and an accepted method of using BJJ to win Judo matches. Within these methods, you have specific techniques that are useful for crossing into the other ruleset.
I think a lot of the disconnect comes from what constitutes as "effective." Some Judoka can make their Judo work in cage fights and self defense. Others can't. Same applies to BJJ. We try to simulate what we think is effective via rules and competition. We have to ask ourselves, what is more practical... BJJ's slow, methodical pursuit of submissions and transitions between top positions? Or Judo's explosive takedowns coupled with quick submissions and crushing pins? Or is it rather that one approach works in one set of circumstances and not another?
In the end, its unfortunate that I can't get as "good on the ground" as a BJJ guy and "as good at standing grappling" as a Judoka all in one place. I encourage cross-training with as many martial arts as possible so as to discover your optimum moveset. The relentless "style vs. style" arguments have crept too far into the mainstream. Even with Rokas, I see him taking digs at Judo for BJJs sake, whereas someone like Chadi will do the opposite (side with Judo). Let go and train!
@@lamesurfer1015 For the record, nothing wrong with Judo, it's a wonderful Martial Art. The techniques are legit (which I wouldn't say about all Martial Arts). I can get a little sideways when people refer to BJJ as "Basically Just Judo", because it implies that if you studio Judo you've also learned BJJ. They are actually wonderful Martial Arts to cross train because the share the common ancestry.
@@bryantharris5914 Oh yeah. I hate the "Basically Just Judo" bit. I like to rag on people with that thought process in r/judo, by saying Judo is just wrestling in pajamas.
@@lamesurfer1015 You just mad that BJJ is Judo with a different curriculum.
For real, almost every technique in BJJ can be found in Judo too.
i like watching the two arts versing each other
I'd like to see a tutorial on that one Aikido wrist lock thing that worked. I'm very curious to know how you managed to pull it off on trained fighters.
And by the way, beautiful Kesa Gatame (Scarf Hold) Armbars!
Same! That was wild
its pretty much just a blue belt vs a lighter blue belt , was good to watch :)
Looks too friendly to be a actual definitive test of styles. Interesting still to see the techniques against each other. Actually pretty funny to watch you both doing 2 different styles.
Weight advantage is very noticeable man that’s why there’s weight division equal match would’ve been better just an opinion
1:23 That is not Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. This is Spain. A lot of people use this footage instead of Rio in many videos, this is becoming a Meme.
Why would they copy it
Have been following your channel for a while now. I admire your respect for all martial arts for what they are.
Your journey is incredible! You're really growing into your own and it's wonderful to see. Also great to see that a blue belt BJJ can take on a brown belt judo
The real test is if they're the same size and weight.
Yea the judo guy was a lot smaller for one but the problem is he didn’t establish good kazushi (offbalance) before attempting most of his throws. No disrespect to the judoka
@@evision4418 that’s exactly why bjj evolved from judo. If there is a big gap between opponents, using only judo techniques can be risky.
@@mattonthemoon225 Not really, you just have to utilize techniques that make sense for a bigger opponent. regardless of whether your doing bjj or judo if you're smaller and weaker you are at a disadvantage
@@evision4418 I practiced Judo in the past and sometimes I engaged randori with a ex-rugby player, double of my size. Even if you master a lot of stand up techniques as I do as a blue belt I ensure you that's not so easy to use them when you have a huge gap, he always won using his size and weight. I know that a Judo black belt could make it, but it is not the same. Bjj gives people like me (a not-so-tall blue belt man) the possibility to manage it in a better way.
Ich betreibe seit 40 Jahren Judo und 30 Jahren Jiu Jitsu, beide Kampfsportarten zu kombinieren ist perfekt. Gruß aus Berlin ( Deutschland) 👋
hier gehts aber um brazilian jiu jitsu.
So cool! That is my goal in my bjj is trying to incorporate wrestling and judo. Wrestling uses positional advantage to fight only half a person by trying to be perpendicular to your opponent. While judo focuses on taking down someone by exposing the plane and fighting the whole person. If you can do the 2 of them you should be able to takedown opponents in both scenarios.
I just started Judo in November. I wrestled for 3 years (folkstyle, greco, freestyle) in HS & missed it too much. After I get more comfortable with Judo, I want to start BJJ with the same approach! Best of luck 🙏🏼
The science behind grappling is such a beautiful thing
@@timothylee6023 Great game plan. Learn that Ashi-Waza as it will fill in huge gaps (because its just not trained as often) between Greco and Folkstyle. Don't neglect your Newaza (aim to do atleast 30-40% of your Randori on the ground). ABSOLUTELY DO NOT NEGLECT your Standing to Ground transitions.
When you finally roll up to a BJJ gym, they'll have to trundle up the big boi's (Purps or above) to give you a workout.
I think you should spar a seasoned Judo black belt of a similar size. I don't think much is to be learned from engaging in randori from someone who's still essentially getting a grasp on the fundamentals of judo.
The brown belt wasn't very good or he was going easy. His kuzushis and entries don't even compare to the juniors or cadets on the competitive circuit. His competition record isn't much either.
Great content as always.
Would you consider doing a bjj vs wrestling sparring video?
Great idea
Props to gasper his judo looked smooth and he had weight disadvantage
Great format, the quality of your content keeps improving.
I am not an aikidoka, but I have practiced judo and bjj and still roll with friends sometimes. Aikido fascinates me cause of its elegance and I've been following you for a while now and I got very interested in this "let's make it work process".
I tired on my own with my grappling friends and I found out that some of the techniques work well for my self although I can't say it's true aikido it's surely taken from it.
For instance I find the ikkyo principle to be useful when in a back to belly clinch, specially in the presence of a wall like in mma. From the same position I've noticed that a submission that I think comes from ikido is very efficient, I don't know the name of it but its basically trapping the arm and using your body to put pressure on the opponent's elbow.
I'm also a huge fan of the let's make it work thought process. I like to see people pressure testing techiques they've come up with or from somewhere else. I think what a lot of people dont realize is that a lot of the traditional martial arts have good techiniques in them or at the very least good concepts/foundations for techniques and write them off as impractical with the way martial arts has evolved into what it is today. That's not to say that theres a lot of tecniques from traditional martials that dont work cuz theres a god number that don't but rather that theres still value in learning them even if you have no intention of implementing them the same way they are taugh in their respective martial art. For instance i saw a grib breaking technique from hapkido i think(cant remeber excatly) and the only thing wrong with it was it was to big of movement. It wasn't energy efficent and left an opening to be exploited if your opponent isn't married to that grip. However i use a version of it thats might tighter and faster in my bjj hand fighting.
so whats the purpose of the test if the baseline is fucked from the begining?
- Casper is 10kg+ lighter
- Casper obviously is weak physically
- Casper has no explosiveness
The experiment is:
- lets test judo vs bjj when I'm fighting a 10year old.
A judoka would fuck you up. Casper seems like a noob Judoka, probably got his belt from wallmart.
After doing Judo/Sambo hybrid for about a year I recently started at a no gi BJJ gym. I have the same problem has the judoka here they always take my back and I realized that most of the subs Ik require gi grips lol
I love how you and Jesse use the "It all started with..." introduction.
We need more of this man! You make us anxious
😁 Sorry I'm on a vacation now, but I promise to deliver more videos once I'm back!
dude it's amazing how far you've come to this point.
Definitely looking forward to seeing what happens if you pressure-train other aikido techniques.
Rokas, you’re bjj has gotten so strong! Kudos
Thanks Jason! There's still a lot more to learn though 😁
That judo player is weak at newaza(ground game)
The moment separatemasteries of throwing and groundwork will reunite again you will have the perfect martial art
The throw is made to kill or injure the opponent. Throw and takedown are different things. Ideally a throw is a blow.
You mean in Judo, right? It's not really meant to take the fight to the ground in order to do BJJ, is it? I mean I guess apparently it can serve that purpose as well. I think his videos are geared more towards BJJ/MMA/UFC fans which you would think would cause him to care more about weight classes/size differences.
@@H4I2I2EE Yes, in addition the video shows athletes of different weight categories, different physical strength and training
Nice work. I love these videos and their professionalism and humility.
Trust me, that's not real judo, get to a real judo dojo
My father is a judoka who earned his black belt in the early to mid 70s. He lost contact with the sport and as a treat I took him to the 2012 olympics to see the judo, he was horrified and basically wanted to leave before the end. Said it wasn’t the sport he did and couldn’t understand how after every throw they just stopped, there was no ground game compared to what he said it used to be. Its a shame judo went that route as it’s damaged the sport long term giving bjj the opportunity to grow in that space. I started with judo and bjj at the same time and it was a simple decision for myself.
Judo is better
Bias in favor of BJJ.. why are practitioners of BJJ always trying to prove they are the best?? Why not just be contented with being an effective grappling art which is at par with other martial arts..
Judo is street will beat bjj guy easily.
I started BJJ after 35 years of being a traditional Judoka. Here is where I was decently good day one.
1. Take downs and throws
2. Grip Fighting
3. Side control
4. The ability to rapidly transition techniques and snatch submissions while doing so.
5. Balance/base/weight distribution/sense of balance and opponent’s balance
6. Overall competitive aggressiveness and ability to rapidly transition and fake/faint techniques
7. Wrist locks and standing submissions
Where BJJ has really helped:
1. Escaping, defending and surviving bad positions on the ground
2. Guard and fighting from your back
3. Over all stamina, strength and fitness
4. Improved ground-based submissions
5. Helping use body structure and fundamentals to improve ground fighting
6. Guard passing
7. Fighting without gi or street clothes equivalent