1:01 While the lion is not a common sight in the Finnish nature, one has been famously spotted in 1992, whether it existed or not. Video of the lion sightings by @TheFinnishStoryteller: ruclips.net/video/dQrQhrNghGk/видео.html
not,"the Finnish nature," but in Finland's natural environment. The "Finnish nature" means the character of the Finns, as in the "nature of water is to flow while the nature of solids is to stay put." All Finnish publications get this fundamental point wrong. You could lead the way, and it will require SISU to lead on this.
@Sean Giang hmm, dragons are indeed not there, as Mikael Agricola had to invent a word for it for his bible translation. Afaik there is nothing remotely close. In the Kalevala, Louhi, the evil sorcerer, transforms into a winged beast and is a cunning magician as dragons sometimes are.
yeah, i would have bear in the vaakuna even still over saimaan norppa. bears were seen as "king of forest" and finland is like mostly forest even today. bear would be such a great animal to replace lion, if it ever came to head. the flag's symbol is distinct, but there is way too much white in the thing. would propably look too much like a straight up white flag from the distance. something would need to be added to it. all i can think of is blocks of blue to frame it on left and right, but this is all purely aesthethic preference. hyvää itsenäisyys päivää
Well, precisely to be exact we've been a christian country for so long that I don't mind having the current flag as christianity is a part of us now and will never change for the good again. However I'd prefer the flags presented in the video, with the exception of having the colours switched in the flag.
Ukonvasara ehdottomasti lippuun jonkun ruottalaisilta perityn ristin tilalle. Tosin lippu vois olla Sveitsin tyylillä neliö, eikä suorakulmio. Ja siinä vois lisänä olla 3 raitaa poikittain, kuvaamaan Suomalaisten muinaista käsitystä maailman kolmesta tasosta, alista, ylistä ja keskistä. Joko keskellä eri väri tai jokainen eri värillä.
@@Anttimation No onneks juutuubissa on hyviä kanavia jotka sivistää ihmisiä ;) Ehkä sitten joku päivä useammat ihmiset tietävät Ukonvasarasta ja sellaista voitaisiin taas harkita, ellei tietty EU tai muu lippu korvaa koko juttua ennen sitä..
@@Anttimation Keskinen vihreä (siinähän ne kasvit kasvaa) Alinen musta, Ylinen sininen tai violetti. Ukonvasara valkoisena kaiken keskelle. Vai olisiko joutsen?
the coat of arms could be improved. i would maybe incorporate symbols from folk clothing and maybe the hannunvaakuna itself. estonia once had a vote for a new coat of arms, nothing was chosen but the choices were awesome. really sad none of them were chosen. but they are a good source of inspiration. i love the flag though. i can imagine an alternate reality where the finnic people are a part of their own nordic council type thing, all sharing the hannunvaakuna as a motif on their flag
Nice one! I think some sauna related symbol on the flag would also be relatable to most Finns. After all, it used to be the place where people were born, lived and died. The whole cycle of life.
I believe bear should be used as our coat of arms. It should also be used in the middle of the national flag too if we were to go with the one we're currently using, but I believe it should be changed to something like blue background and white hannunvaakuna in the middle.
Yep, I'd agree on those symbols. I would leave the eastern sabre away, but now that our NATO heat gov has taken us in the front line of nuclear war, I suppose it is very accurately depicting at least our government, and quite a few of formerly proudly non-allied commoners as well.
I have drawn my version on my drum. It is on my current profile picture (2023-05-03). Vaihdan sen ehkä tässä joskus... mutta ymmärrän heradliikan juttuja sen verran, että että... no, upsalan leijona ei ole meidän juttu. Joku muu on... Kantele? Tursaansydän? molemmat yhdessä?
Seal gets seal of approval but I'd continue with feline and choose lynx as those do roam our forests and, they are cool! Good catch with the sword design, it definitely should be more traditional viking era style rather than from middle-ages and crusades. Cross has to go. I'm unsure what design would fit my eye tho so I haven't settled with the idea yet. Another thing that needs chancing is our national anthem. Old one is boring af and there's absolutely no reason why it should not be Finlandia instead!
Should be bear if its some animal. Finnic people used to believe that bears are our ancestors and also divine beings, almost like gods, but more like children of god.
4:23 Indo-Uralic is a thing! Indoeuropean and Uralic languages likely shared a common ancestor with Basque and some Caucasian languages (in the geographic sense).
A wrong type of Swan (the Mute Swan, a southern species) is shown here as a Finnish National Bird. This must be the Whooper Swan, with black-and-golden beak.
1:05 ...during the ice-age there were in fact lions in Finland...cave-lions...! 1:15 ...swans are fierce fighters, better not to mess with...so i.m.o.they make great heraldic animals...!
I think your updated flag and coat of arms are much more symbolic of Finland. Your new coat of arms doesn't have the nine stars in the background. It made me wonder of the significance of those nine stars? If any.
I suggest a compromise. Lets change our coat of arms to one you suggested, but keep the flag. We have quite large population who follows the religion of Middle East origin, so keeping up with current flag and changing coat of arms would be a good compromise for traditionalists and those who have converted to religion originated outside of Europe.
A hannunvaakuna is a beautiful design for a flag, but remember it's not unique to Finland. That symbol has appeared in Native American art, totally indigenous and unconnected to European colonization, in the Ohio River Valley of mound building cultures. It's quasi global/universal.
Yes! From Egypt to North America and beyond. It feels somehow cool - for the lack of a better word - that humans all over came up with the Same symbol although I guess not surprising given that it is... A looped square
Not really sure about the Ukonvasara. Like sure the design is distinct from Mjölnir but conceptually very similar so not really uniquelly Finnish symbol
I feel like the flag design you suggested would look bette rif the blue and white were swapped, but that's just me i thionk. A blue background with the white Hannunvaakuna (or Ukon Vasara) would be cool
Like one of these designs: media.discordapp.net/attachments/1034441025537716244/1054421041864245278/image.png?width=1106&height=676 media.discordapp.net/attachments/1034441025537716244/1054421680463810662/image.png?width=1106&height=676
Hmm, that would work just as well, but would take more getting used to. It's the color scheme of Scotland for example and might make some (subconscious) connotatiins.
I agree with these things but I'm already so used to the Finnish flag and coat of arms that it would feel kinda weird to change them. Also "Siniristilippumme" is a good song in my opinion. I don't know if I would want to give up the cross but what if we combined the cross with "Ukon vasara" or "Hannunvaakuna"? Great video though. (Also I have the lion in my pfp...)
@@Anttimation I tried to combine some old symbols with the cross. Here are some flags I came up with ruclips.net/video/Y0Yu4fpNZ5E/видео.html (Sorry if I'm bothering)
Has the number of provinces of Finland been reduced from 9 to 7? Mammals in heraldry are almost always facing dexter. That is to the right, as seen by the wielder of the shield. That way they look to be attacking the one you are fighting with, provided you hold it in your left hand.
@@klausolekristiansen2960 afaik there are no self-governing provinces anymore, only healthcare and social services areas. I think I've heard that the lion "looks to the West, weapon facing East (enemy)" but it might be later made-up lore 🤔
I state everyday that I am not Swedish or Scandinavian, LoL. Great video again today! Thank You for the incredible work you do. There were facts I didn't know. All my best to you on the Independence Day.
@Marcus you don't understand the humor that we shared commonly from the 1970- to the 2010 . Before the politically correct spoiled trolls who are brainwashed not having free will or humor, no courage but just following the mass opinion, Why don't you educate yourself on free thinking and history of humor that all older people have in common in all cultures. Didn't you hear about the jokes that were on every newspaper about Norwegians, Swedes, Danes and Finns or the priests and the rabbis? By a book and merry Christmas unless it's wrong as well
I find it odd that ,all of the european flags are confusing like what the hall, some even look similar, meanwhile Indians used Dharma chakra in the center just to look different
@@Anttimation not only fins but entire European fails simultaneously, while on the eastern side our flags are easy to memorize due to one historic or religious symbol 😂
This channel is quite interesting. It covers a lot of Finnish mythology. However, I am sure the "Snow God, " Heikki Lunta has not been nor will ever be featured.
@@Anttimation Amazing! - I guess with the famous ice fishing tournament it wouldn't be neglected. Now I will need to search for St. Urho, Thanks for responding.
@@daniellarson3068 Ya dere Eh! I think it was somewhere in the eastern. UP. Also home to the Fenno American Bardic traditions of Da Yoopers and Bobbi Aro! Ya ya ya ya !
Does it need to be consistent with Scandinavian nations though? Finland is not, apart from the very Northern part, part of Scandinavia although English speakers always mistake us for Scandinavians 😅
@@Anttimation I'm aware Finns are different from Norwegian, Swedes and Danish in that they speak a non-Germanic, Indo-European language and the like. I'm referring to the fact that Finland is part the Northern European region.
Sadly, I agree with him. I thought this about the flag since, I first remember. The Hannunvaakuna turned a bit, looks beautiful. The bear would be a perfect national symbol 💪😉
Ahaa alright but bear should be our national vaakuna I know this 92 lion visit here on summer but bear lives in our country not lion. Bird is too weak, wolf 🐺 is not as strong as bear and bear🐻 is strongest and biggest our beast animal over all yeah🎉
Honestly the current finnish flag is just a copy of the swedish flag so i would say a better flag would be a white flag where there is a bear shooting lazer beams from its eyes but jokes asides i think the hannunvaakuna version you made would be pretty good and better than the current unoriginal one and i think a bear would be a better option for the coat of arms and the bear would be holding a ukkon vasara otherwise the other suggested weapon in the video would be fine too
I have also wondered why we should use the Roman method of execution as a symbol. What does it really symbolize? Jesus spoke about love, not symbolizing some evil empires cruel method of execution with the cross.
The cross isn't just a roman execution device bro it's a symbol of Christianity, and the sacrifice of Jesus for our sins. Finland was a very christian country, before secularism arose so prominently in the modern age. If we change our flag every time our country's attitudes to religion change we will be forever changing it. At least show some respect for Finland's christian past man, don't call it ffing stupid.
Christian Finnish Frostiis firstly the animal, bear trumps em all and lion can only be only found badly stuffed in Sweden (the funny lion :S) but seal is very good no objections from me. Lynx is quite mysterious that could be decent animal to put up too ! Frostiis is kinda rip off from Frosties the cereals so Tiger is a symbol for us, i do use CROSSHAIR symbol not a cross due to a Bill Hicks made joke " When Jesus returns, the last thing he wants to see is crosses. We might as well wear crosshairs" So i've made a Crosshair cross symbol on my Tube and with much red in the backround since i do not view the finnish government doing anything useful for the finnish people anymore so in desperation i try to revive the christians / christian king for Finland OFC i nominate myself. It's still even if tech brings us closer to atheism, i am former occultist turned to christian so i can vouch that you get in touch with Satan with paganism and you get in touch with Christian God with faith i am not much of a church goer but i have 1 Frostiis friend so i can call our guild Christian Finnish Frostiis. Do not count finnish christians gone yet, or that we all are "flower hat aunts" we're both men and serious about our faith
The current flag is perfect. If i would have to change something i would replace the nordic cross flag with an austria style flag Example: 🟦🟦🟦🟦🟦 ⬜️⬜️⬜️⬜️⬜️ 🟦🟦🟦🟦🟦 Or ⬜️⬜️⬜️⬜️⬜️ 🟦🟦🟦🟦🟦 ⬜️⬜️⬜️⬜️⬜️
@Anttimation Look I think some of these ideas are cool and I agree the modern flag is too similar to Sweden and the lion really don't make sense I just don't think it should be something that modern Finns don't relate to anymore I mean almost every Finn nowdays is Christian or Atheist so some of these ideas are cool and maybe we can update our flag and vaakuna in the future I just think its not necessery.
@@Aapiskukko06 this is more playing with the idea of "what if we redesigned the symbols to something relevant to this channel" rather than a suggestion I'd start a petition for :)
And the looped square is Apple Command Key. If Finland suddenly changed the flag symbol to that, 300 million Americans would ask why the Finns took an image from Apple for their flag. Many symbols have been ruined by their later users. I won't mention the most famous one, which everyone knows.
Mielestäni lippu on aivan hyvä, sillä siniristilippu kuvaa kuitenkin pohjoismaallisuutta, Suomen historiaa ja on kristinusko keskeisempi asia Suomessa tällä hetkellä, kuin muinaiset symbolit tai uskonnot
Actually has. There were modern lions still in the end of Iron Age in Europe. In the Neolithic Stone Age and Bronze Age lion was a common animal in South-Eastern Europe.
@@Aurinkohirvi true but that's going back waaaaaaaaaaaay before said nations existed so by that logic you could have a dinosaur as your national animal 😂
It's a highly symbolic beast in Europe at least since the Middle Ages, symbolizing courage, valour etc rather than a creature adopted from the local fauna
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1:01 While the lion is not a common sight in the Finnish nature, one has been famously spotted in 1992, whether it existed or not.
Video of the lion sightings by @TheFinnishStoryteller:
ruclips.net/video/dQrQhrNghGk/видео.html
not,"the Finnish nature," but in Finland's natural environment. The "Finnish nature" means the character of the Finns, as in the "nature of water is to flow while the nature of solids is to stay put." All Finnish publications get this fundamental point wrong. You could lead the way, and it will require SISU to lead on this.
@@johnl5316 Ah, it's a direct translation from Finnish, hence the confusion
@@Anttimation yes.....and you can lead the way
@Sean Giang hmm, dragons are indeed not there, as Mikael Agricola had to invent a word for it for his bible translation. Afaik there is nothing remotely close. In the Kalevala, Louhi, the evil sorcerer, transforms into a winged beast and is a cunning magician as dragons sometimes are.
it is the Sami who were the last Nordic pagans not the Finns
Love the coat of arms. Was a little skeptical about the flag, but the hannunvaakuna does look really cool.
What would the national ice hockey team called then?
Norpat (The Saimaa seals)?
That would be hilarious, so I'm all for it.
yeah, i would have bear in the vaakuna even still over saimaan norppa. bears were seen as "king of forest" and finland is like mostly forest even today. bear would be such a great animal to replace lion, if it ever came to head.
the flag's symbol is distinct, but there is way too much white in the thing. would propably look too much like a straight up white flag from the distance. something would need to be added to it. all i can think of is blocks of blue to frame it on left and right, but this is all purely aesthethic preference.
hyvää itsenäisyys päivää
I would really like to have a bear there as well. The only thing is that it's often associated with Russia as well.
Hyvää itsenäisyspäivää!
Hannunvaakuna tai Ukonvasara olisi lipussa paljon parempi kulttuurillisesti.
Olisi kyllä mukava nähdä jos tuo ”risti” joskus poistuisi.
Juuri näin.
I love the coat of arms and flag idea, represents our culture far more
Well, precisely to be exact we've been a christian country for so long that I don't mind having the current flag as christianity is a part of us now and will never change for the good again. However I'd prefer the flags presented in the video, with the exception of having the colours switched in the flag.
@@viitaman Hi Viita
@@herkko1960 Terve mieheen.
hintti hyppääppä jostai korkialta
Greetings from Tasmania!
As a Germanic pagan, I like your way of thinking (and art), good Sir!
Be well.
Hey! Thanks! Always happy to hear how these videos sometimes reach people on the other side of the world 😎
Ukonvasara ehdottomasti lippuun jonkun ruottalaisilta perityn ristin tilalle. Tosin lippu vois olla Sveitsin tyylillä neliö, eikä suorakulmio. Ja siinä vois lisänä olla 3 raitaa poikittain, kuvaamaan Suomalaisten muinaista käsitystä maailman kolmesta tasosta, alista, ylistä ja keskistä. Joko keskellä eri väri tai jokainen eri värillä.
Olis kyllä kova. Harmi että suurin osa suomalaisista ei ehkä tunnista koko vasaraa.
@@Anttimation No onneks juutuubissa on hyviä kanavia jotka sivistää ihmisiä ;) Ehkä sitten joku päivä useammat ihmiset tietävät Ukonvasarasta ja sellaista voitaisiin taas harkita, ellei tietty EU tai muu lippu korvaa koko juttua ennen sitä..
@@Anttimation Keskinen vihreä (siinähän ne kasvit kasvaa) Alinen musta, Ylinen sininen tai violetti. Ukonvasara valkoisena kaiken keskelle. Vai olisiko joutsen?
ei hintti
the coat of arms could be improved. i would maybe incorporate symbols from folk clothing and maybe the hannunvaakuna itself. estonia once had a vote for a new coat of arms, nothing was chosen but the choices were awesome. really sad none of them were chosen. but they are a good source of inspiration.
i love the flag though. i can imagine an alternate reality where the finnic people are a part of their own nordic council type thing, all sharing the hannunvaakuna as a motif on their flag
Can we see the Estonian designs somewhere? Sounds really good.
@@Anttimation youtube wont let me post links but if you look up "rahvusarhiiv vapid" youll find it
@@theangryvideogamenerd6115 nice! Thanks. Your comment is not displaying correctly either, don't know why.
Nice one! I think some sauna related symbol on the flag would also be relatable to most Finns. After all, it used to be the place where people were born, lived and died. The whole cycle of life.
That could be pretty dope as well :D
Maybe a kiuas
Loved this video, a Finnish dude I was talking to in a pub a few weeks ago said to me he would love a tri colour, Blue, white and green
Cheers Aaron!
Hmm, that would take some time to get used to but it does make sense.
What is the story behind "Finland Blue"? It is a pretty shade of blue.
Generally thought to be inspired by the (blue) lakes but while researching, I didn't find a confirmation for that, so take it with a grain of salt.
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Your redesigns are **much** more in line with Finnish culture as we foreigners know it. Great video and hugs from Brazil!
Glad to hear, thank you! While this video is not dead serious, there is some thought behind what I'm saying.
no fag, christianity is everything
A new Finnish coat of arms should have Moomin and Snorkmaiden as supporters (the two creatures on each side holding up the coat of arms).
I'd support that
0:12 Oh my God… troll avatar… I love him…
I believe bear should be used as our coat of arms. It should also be used in the middle of the national flag too if we were to go with the one we're currently using, but I believe it should be changed to something like blue background and white hannunvaakuna in the middle.
Hyvää itsenäisyyden muistopäivää!
Yep, I'd agree on those symbols.
I would leave the eastern sabre away, but now that our NATO heat gov has taken us in the front line of nuclear war, I suppose it is very accurately depicting at least our government, and quite a few of formerly proudly non-allied commoners as well.
What a great idea to redesign :) ... and again so many details and information. Thanks!
Thanks for watching! :))
no
6:30 The one of the left is boring. I would do anything for the one of the right.
Awesome 😎
....this is awesome, and I love your art style in these videos too.
Thanks so much! 🙌
I have drawn my version on my drum. It is on my current profile picture (2023-05-03). Vaihdan sen ehkä tässä joskus... mutta ymmärrän heradliikan juttuja sen verran, että että... no, upsalan leijona ei ole meidän juttu. Joku muu on... Kantele? Tursaansydän? molemmat yhdessä?
Kantelehan vois olla aika jees...
Tursaansydän ehdottomasti!
I like the idea, but as I don’t believe in nation-states, I’d rather see flags and coats of arms for the tribes of Finland.
Well I would like to see those too. Maybe I'll out something together in a future video.
is that the unreal world music in the background?
It's a track by Karneh: karneh.bandcamp.com/album/tuonela
Seal gets seal of approval but I'd continue with feline and choose lynx as those do roam our forests and, they are cool! Good catch with the sword design, it definitely should be more traditional viking era style rather than from middle-ages and crusades.
Cross has to go. I'm unsure what design would fit my eye tho so I haven't settled with the idea yet.
Another thing that needs chancing is our national anthem. Old one is boring af and there's absolutely no reason why it should not be Finlandia instead!
replace it with darude sandstorm. p sure more people recognize it these days than maamme suomi or finlandia :p
Imagine a crowd at a sports event trying to sing Sandstorm, haha
Should be bear if its some animal. Finnic people used to believe that bears are our ancestors and also divine beings, almost like gods, but more like children of god.
hinttii
Ja Finlandia kansallislauluksi! Hyvää itsenäisyyspäivää.
Hyvää itsenäisyyspäivää! Finlandia on noista ehdottomasti parempi biisi mutta samalla vaikeampi laulaa esim. urheilutilaisuuksissa.
Yess. 😁👍🏻 Hyvää itsenäisyyspäivää!
Hyvää itsenäisyyspäivää Reidar! 😎🇫🇮
I would put a bear or an elk in the coat of arms. The flag is fine
I love the redesign with Ukko’s hammer
paska oli
@perti888😂
eiköhän sininen tursaansydän valkoisella pohjalla ja ukon vasara siihen päälle, niin että se peittää tietyt kriittiset kohdat.
4:23 Indo-Uralic is a thing! Indoeuropean and Uralic languages likely shared a common ancestor with Basque and some Caucasian languages (in the geographic sense).
Ok! Thanks for the insight 🤘
4:49 I agree that we should not have Roman execution device as a national symbol, but wait, you mentioned that those were not used in Rome ?
Did I..? I don't remember what is said in the video exactly... But to my understanding they were used
A wrong type of Swan (the Mute Swan, a southern species) is shown here as a Finnish National Bird. This must be the Whooper Swan, with black-and-golden beak.
Thanks! I need to update my swan knowledge ☝️
The seal is great, but you also have otters, which are awesome. Maybe a seal on one side and an otter on the other.
They are awesome indeed but not that exclusive to Finland
i think the hannunvaakuna looks cool but i think its little too boring on the plain white background i think it needs something more with it.
Could be something more elaborate but the problem could be it becoming too complex. Something in the middle...
@@Anttimation what if it was more canadian style. Instead of the maple leaf its the hannunvaakuna and instead of red its blue.
@@codyyh9421 could be!
1:05 ...during the ice-age there were in fact lions in Finland...cave-lions...!
1:15 ...swans are fierce fighters, better not to mess with...so i.m.o.they make great heraldic animals...!
Did not know that! Too bad they were long gone before our ancestors settled. Or maybe good for the ancestors. Or both of them.
@@Anttimation
...other people: "...be careful, there are lions...!" 😰
...the lions: "...be careful, there are Finns...!" 😱
😉
I think your updated flag and coat of arms are much more symbolic of Finland. Your new coat of arms doesn't have the nine stars in the background. It made me wonder of the significance of those nine stars? If any.
Thank you! At some point in history, the country was divided into nine units of regional government which may or may not have inspired the nine roses.
I suggest a compromise. Lets change our coat of arms to one you suggested, but keep the flag.
We have quite large population who follows the religion of Middle East origin, so keeping up with current flag and changing coat of arms would be a good compromise for traditionalists and those who have converted to religion originated outside of Europe.
A hannunvaakuna is a beautiful design for a flag, but remember it's not unique to Finland. That symbol has appeared in Native American art, totally indigenous and unconnected to European colonization, in the Ohio River Valley of mound building cultures. It's quasi global/universal.
Yes! From Egypt to North America and beyond. It feels somehow cool - for the lack of a better word - that humans all over came up with the Same symbol although I guess not surprising given that it is... A looped square
Not really sure about the Ukonvasara. Like sure the design is distinct from Mjölnir but conceptually very similar so not really uniquelly Finnish symbol
I'd like to see Sweden/Norway/Denmark/Iceland replace their crosses with Mjölnirs and then we'd have a new set of similar Nordic flags
@@Anttimation Oh, I see. I would prefer all having their own unique national symbols instead of just same as now but with paganism
@@coolsenjoyer That could be cool, yeah.
You should sell Ukko hammer flags. It would much more unique merchandise than typical RUclipsrs, who sell cheap shirts from the lowest bidder
Hmm, there's an idea.
I feel like the flag design you suggested would look bette rif the blue and white were swapped, but that's just me i thionk. A blue background with the white Hannunvaakuna (or Ukon Vasara) would be cool
Like one of these designs:
media.discordapp.net/attachments/1034441025537716244/1054421041864245278/image.png?width=1106&height=676
media.discordapp.net/attachments/1034441025537716244/1054421680463810662/image.png?width=1106&height=676
Hmm, that would work just as well, but would take more getting used to. It's the color scheme of Scotland for example and might make some (subconscious) connotatiins.
I agree with these things but I'm already so used to the Finnish flag and coat of arms that it would feel kinda weird to change them. Also "Siniristilippumme" is a good song in my opinion. I don't know if I would want to give up the cross but what if we combined the cross with "Ukon vasara" or "Hannunvaakuna"?
Great video though.
(Also I have the lion in my pfp...)
Yeah, I don't think the matter of changing them will be seriously discussed any time soon. But it's fun to think about.
@@Anttimation Indeed
@@Anttimation I tried to combine some old symbols with the cross.
Here are some flags I came up with ruclips.net/video/Y0Yu4fpNZ5E/видео.html
(Sorry if I'm bothering)
ei me sitä mihikää vaiheta hintti
@perti888 kuka se hintti o HÄ?
Yes. To all of this.
no to all of this
Has the number of provinces of Finland been reduced from 9 to 7?
Mammals in heraldry are almost always facing dexter. That is to the right, as seen by the wielder of the shield. That way they look to be attacking the one you are fighting with, provided you hold it in your left hand.
@@klausolekristiansen2960 afaik there are no self-governing provinces anymore, only healthcare and social services areas.
I think I've heard that the lion "looks to the West, weapon facing East (enemy)" but it might be later made-up lore 🤔
@@Anttimation Maybe I should ask more directly: why did you reduce the number of roses from nine to seven?
@@klausolekristiansen2960 likely didn't like how they were positioned with the seal. I don't think there was anything meaningful behind it 😁
I state everyday that I am not Swedish or Scandinavian, LoL. Great video again today! Thank You for the incredible work you do. There were facts I didn't know. All my best to you on the Independence Day.
Thanks so much once again! :)
@Marcus you don't understand the humor that we shared commonly from the 1970- to the 2010 . Before the politically correct spoiled trolls who are brainwashed not having free will or humor, no courage but just following the mass opinion, Why don't you educate yourself on free thinking and history of humor that all older people have in common in all cultures. Didn't you hear about the jokes that were on every newspaper about Norwegians, Swedes, Danes and Finns or the priests and the rabbis? By a book and merry Christmas unless it's wrong as well
I find it odd that ,all of the european flags are confusing like what the hall, some even look similar, meanwhile Indians used Dharma chakra in the center just to look different
The most important thing in flag design is to be memorable and distinguishable from others, where our current flag fails a bit.
@@Anttimation not only fins but entire European fails simultaneously, while on the eastern side our flags are easy to memorize due to one historic or religious symbol 😂
Olen 101% samaa mieltä kanssasi. Kansalaisaloitetta lipun ja vaakunan muuttamisesta vain vireille :)
Hyvää itsenäisyyspäivää!
Hyvää itsenäisyyspäivää!
@@Anttimation Laitoin päivän kunniaksi vähän trolled-mainosta omalle FB sivulle 👌
@@sootkettle Erittäin suuret kiitokset!
@@Anttimation 👍
This channel is quite interesting. It covers a lot of Finnish mythology. However, I am sure the "Snow God, " Heikki Lunta has not been nor will ever be featured.
In fact it has been covered! ruclips.net/video/0ezUG8Q7FVc/видео.html
@@Anttimation Amazing! - I guess with the famous ice fishing tournament it wouldn't be neglected. Now I will need to search for St. Urho, Thanks for responding.
Guess who's coming to sauna?
@@Redlurk3 I've seen that video. I guess those musicians are getting old now. No doubt filmed somewhere in God's country South of da big lake.
@@daniellarson3068 Ya dere Eh!
I think it was somewhere in the eastern. UP.
Also home to the Fenno American Bardic traditions of Da Yoopers and Bobbi Aro! Ya ya ya ya !
Eh, the seal I get but I don't mind the Finnish flag. Pretty consistent with the flags of other Scandinavian nations.
Does it need to be consistent with Scandinavian nations though? Finland is not, apart from the very Northern part, part of Scandinavia although English speakers always mistake us for Scandinavians 😅
@@Anttimation
I'm aware Finns are different from Norwegian, Swedes and Danish in that they speak a non-Germanic, Indo-European language and the like. I'm referring to the fact that Finland is part the Northern European region.
I would much rather have a flag that represents us than a flag that represents our neighbors
@@puskamuha9000
Why exactly?
@@devinsmith4790 Because we arent scandinavian we are finns
Good ideas
The cross is fine, just flip it
Ha!
Now there's an idea!
Sadly, I agree with him. I thought this about the flag since, I first remember. The Hannunvaakuna turned a bit, looks beautiful. The bear would be a perfect national symbol 💪😉
gay
your voice sounds like you about sing a song from ensiferum
How so? I suppose I'll take that as a compliment
@@Anttimation i don need to take it as compliment because it is one
Kansalaisaloitteen paikka
Ehdottomasti! 😁
Bear 🐻 should be in finnish vaakuna absolutely instead of the lion. Lion is not part of finland at all i wonder how we picked it up yeah
It first appeared on Gustav Vasas grave as far as I remember 🤔
Ahaa alright but bear should be our national vaakuna I know this 92 lion visit here on summer but bear lives in our country not lion. Bird is too weak, wolf 🐺 is not as strong as bear and bear🐻 is strongest and biggest our beast animal over all yeah🎉
Too cool.
Interesting
no
Honestly the current finnish flag is just a copy of the swedish flag so i would say a better flag would be a white flag where there is a bear shooting lazer beams from its eyes but jokes asides i think the hannunvaakuna version you made would be pretty good and better than the current unoriginal one and i think a bear would be a better option for the coat of arms and the bear would be holding a ukkon vasara otherwise the other suggested weapon in the video would be fine too
love the flag
same profile picture
its shit
@perti888 make a better one then
@perti888 tee ite parempi
@johessu 🇫🇮
I have also wondered why we should use the Roman method of execution as a symbol. What does it really symbolize? Jesus spoke about love, not symbolizing some evil empires cruel method of execution with the cross.
Yeah! I'd like to see a comedy where Jesus does return and then gets deeply offended by the symbol chosen by his cult, haha.
The cross isn't just a roman execution device bro it's a symbol of Christianity, and the sacrifice of Jesus for our sins. Finland was a very christian country, before secularism arose so prominently in the modern age. If we change our flag every time our country's attitudes to religion change we will be forever changing it. At least show some respect for Finland's christian past man, don't call it ffing stupid.
@@Markhoff it seems the tone of the video has somewhat escaped you. You did realise I suggest a Moomin and seal for national symbols?
Hannun vaakuna on hyvä idis.
@@hannutaskinen2032 sulla on oma lehmä ojassa tässä 😁
Ukkon vasara is the best, or hannunvakuuna
Bear is better than the seal
❤
Nah the cross stays, it makes the atheists and pagan larpers mad, so does having a national church
Well, we are "short" of a king still
@Anttimation had it for 2 months, can be done again
I agree 100% all pagan mythologies are corny and don't make any sense.
Christian Finnish Frostiis firstly the animal, bear trumps em all and lion can only be only found badly stuffed in Sweden (the funny lion :S) but seal is very good no objections from me. Lynx is quite mysterious that could be decent animal to put up too ! Frostiis is kinda rip off from Frosties the cereals so Tiger is a symbol for us, i do use CROSSHAIR symbol not a cross due to a Bill Hicks made joke " When Jesus returns, the last thing he wants to see is crosses. We might as well wear crosshairs" So i've made a Crosshair cross symbol on my Tube and with much red in the backround since i do not view the finnish government doing anything useful for the finnish people anymore so in desperation i try to revive the christians / christian king for Finland OFC i nominate myself. It's still even if tech brings us closer to atheism, i am former occultist turned to christian so i can vouch that you get in touch with Satan with paganism and you get in touch with Christian God with faith i am not much of a church goer but i have 1 Frostiis friend so i can call our guild Christian Finnish Frostiis. Do not count finnish christians gone yet, or that we all are "flower hat aunts" we're both men and serious about our faith
Suosittelen Matti Klingen kirjaa Suomen Lipusta, ja kylkeen voi lukea Hänen: Muinaisuutemme mervallat. Antaa näkemystä Kalevalaan!🤔😇
@@petrusinvictus3603 eipä ole tullut vastaan. Kiitos!
1990 alkaen Historiaa Helsingin Yliopistolla luin Matti Klinge oli viimeinen vanhan liiton Herrasmies. Sandaalit kaupungilla edustivat barbariaa.
Hupaisaa sinällään, koska hän diggas Ateenan filosofeja, jotka oli sandaalimiehiä.
The current flag is perfect. If i would have to change something i would replace the nordic cross flag with an austria style flag
Example:
🟦🟦🟦🟦🟦
⬜️⬜️⬜️⬜️⬜️
🟦🟦🟦🟦🟦
Or
⬜️⬜️⬜️⬜️⬜️
🟦🟦🟦🟦🟦
⬜️⬜️⬜️⬜️⬜️
That would work too.
@Marcus what connection?
@Marcus Allies decleared war on Finland so what were we supposed to do
Nah having some pagan icon on a flag would be so corny.
@@Aapiskukko06 can be a secular Moomintroll too 😎
@Anttimation Look I think some of these ideas are cool and I agree the modern flag is too similar to Sweden and the lion really don't make sense I just don't think it should be something that modern Finns don't relate to anymore I mean almost every Finn nowdays is Christian or Atheist so some of these ideas are cool and maybe we can update our flag and vaakuna in the future I just think its not necessery.
@@Aapiskukko06 this is more playing with the idea of "what if we redesigned the symbols to something relevant to this channel" rather than a suggestion I'd start a petition for :)
@@Anttimation Oh I get it sorry about that
1:40 drop the word 'THE' prior to the word 'HISTORY...So, it should say, GROUNDED IN FINNISH HISTORY (no 'THE')
If my channel gets to the point where it generates mountains of influencer money, I will hire you as a proofreader 🤝
@@Anttimation I've been told that I'm cheap.....hmmm
Ukko's hammer looks like Tesla symbol upside down.
Tesla symbol looks like Ukko's hammer, I would phrase it.
And the looped square is Apple Command Key. If Finland suddenly changed the flag symbol to that, 300 million Americans would ask why the Finns took an image from Apple for their flag.
Many symbols have been ruined by their later users. I won't mention the most famous one, which everyone knows.
@@herrakaarme Well said.
@@herrakaarme I don't know Apple products but if the flag was to change - I'm not sure which sort of stuff would appeal to me.
Euroopassa ja muualla maailmassa on ollut paljon leijonia! Tutustu leijonan historiaan.
Onko niitä ollut Suomessa paljonkin?
Mielestäni lippu on aivan hyvä, sillä siniristilippu kuvaa kuitenkin pohjoismaallisuutta, Suomen historiaa ja on kristinusko keskeisempi asia Suomessa tällä hetkellä, kuin muinaiset symbolit tai uskonnot
En usko että sitä tullaan vaihtamaan, mutta ajatuksella on hauska leikkiä.
@@Anttimation onhan se
the Sami were the last Nordic people to convert to Christianity not the Finns
I looked at it through the lens of modern nation states there, it seems.
Saamis are not Finns. The last Finnish to convert were the Savonians. Some Savonian pagan culture survived until the early 1900's.
It's always annoyed me that so many European nations have lions as national symbols when no lions ever roamed their lands.
Actually has. There were modern lions still in the end of Iron Age in Europe.
In the Neolithic Stone Age and Bronze Age lion was a common animal in South-Eastern Europe.
@@Aurinkohirvi true but that's going back waaaaaaaaaaaay before said nations existed so by that logic you could have a dinosaur as your national animal 😂
It's a highly symbolic beast in Europe at least since the Middle Ages, symbolizing courage, valour etc rather than a creature adopted from the local fauna
@@Anttimation I know the reasoning using lions as national symbols but I'm questioning the sense of it. But hey, the Welsh have a dragon...
@@_SimpleJack_ Fair point :D
perhanan hintti ei me sitä mihikää vaiheta.
@@perti888 🤣🤣
@perti888 🤣🤣