I have both ships the Polaris will be my organisation's flagship and the Perseus will be my personal ship for me and a few friends. I also have an IronClad to trade and fund both ships.
People keep forgetting that the Polaris SCM is over 200 m/s. Read it. The Polaris is as fast as a fighter. There is no strafing this ship. Catching up to it will be HARD. Running away from it is not a thing. Idris killing technique: Go at the Idris at full speed. Tank the 1 railgun round it will shoot with the Polaris capital shields. and At 1 km, dump 4 torp in the Idris face. If the Idris is not in full battle mode with manned turrets and escort fighters in flight, it will die.
@@marcuswynn89I doubt they will and most of the time probably will fly it solo anyhow, so will just use it for a base . But if the torps do work, will be an excuse to form crews and have fun with it. One idea is to carry a scorpius antares to lock down a big ship and demand a ransom. If they try to run or shoot , the antares will interupt their engines with emp till the torps hit. This would require 4 crew., 2 of them in the scorpius
And I assume my torpedoes will hit as they are designed only to hit subcap and higher. They are also a new type and with server meshing server performance won't be an issue
The Percy is probably going see a lot more action. Most people can get together with just a small group of friends which has got to better suited to the Percy. My buddy has one and we can literally put 4 people together at best. It'll be a lot cheaper to operate too
im still rocking the Perseus hands down. its not as big of a ship to maintain and less players to get to max firepower. i know the polaris will have more "fire power" per player. but its whole draw is torps. and thats not going to be a end all be all. you fire a torp and win. its going to be slow like the a2 bomb and we just going to shoot them down. i can counter your big torp with a little bike just camping you waiting for a torp. and what happens when you run out of torps? you lose so much fire power. over half
thats a valid point, im still rocking the Perseus though but it is nice to see they did make the Polaris into an actual capital ship and and just not a big fat Retaliator
The S10 torpedos will likely 1 hit cripple a Perseus, if not outright KO. You can hide with a bike nearby if you want, but the Polaris is covered in quad S4 guns and PDS now, plus however many fighters u cram in the hangers. A Polaris will just bum rush a Perseus, and at close range let off 4 S10s. Even 1 gets through and you're toast. Perseus only has 2 defensive turrets, and lower front is a blind-ish spot. When all guns are trying to stop the torps, the Polaris rolls by and pummels you with S6 guns and missiles before it passes. Rinse and repeat. The only trick the Perseus has is maaaaaaybe operating as a standoff sniper vs hammerheads so fighters can get close to bigger ships. 1 v 1 pre-engineering the Polaris is simply too much of a brawler, especially considering the blind spots of the Perseus S7 guns.
@marcuswynn89 that's only sorta true. My torps gotta catch you. And my S6 can shoot at your engines. And the Polaris is already expected to be the faster capital ship. And I can send something like a Scorpius Antares to EMP you....
@@foxhoundusmc Perseus is a tank. Its armor is said to be able to sustain S6 guns to the face. Even though the Perseus is smaller than the Polaris, it has much more armor. The Polaris is mostly shield.
My first thought when I hear “hundreds of Furies” is, who the hell will want to risk his life flying them? Isn’t Death of a Spaceman a thing? Those things are death traps.
Kinda wild how engineering is kinda a dreaded update for the entire community with with "we'll be able to have fun with such and such ship until enginerring then it will be to much of a pain to run and scrounge people together all the time" etc. Makes me think they gotta re think it significantly since everyone is basically trying to get there last bit of fun in before engineering. That's just.......not right
Great video. On the drugs M, John Crewe did mention at citcon last year a citcon that the M,P and K hit would all drop at the same time when SQ42 drops.
Hammerhead, Perseus and Polaris are three different types of combat ships. Only one is a capital ship with a dedicated purpose, the other two are sub-capitals, also with their own narrow focus on exactly one job. Hammerhead: area-of-denial ship against fighters. Currently not working at its full potential, it is a game changer in space combat if you bring one to support your fighter squadron. Requires a crew of 7 to be used properly (pilot, 6 gunners) and may require two more players once engineering gameplay is implemented. Perseus: heavy gunship with capital-class weaponry. The Perseus will be a deadly ship versus medium to large ships and, if used in groups, also may take down capital ships. It's main purpose however is to escort other capital ships for extra firepower, including the Polaris. Comes with a very small crew of 5 for now. May require 2 more players once engineering gameplay is a thing. Polaris: capital ship and a dedicated anti-capital ship platform. S10 torpedoes are big damage dealers versus capital ships, while everything else provided as armament is meant to deal with smaller ships. Requires a ton of players to operate at all. Skeleton crew is perhaps like 10 players, but you may require up to 20 to man every turret, provide some protection against boarding and again, engineering gameplay will come with its own requirements. I have all three in my hangar for the very reason each ship has its own identity and place in any given fleet or small scale engagement. It depends on the mission what ship I'll pick.
I hope they stick to actually making a size 7 gun for the perseus. Feel like knowing CIG they will just slap the size 6 from the polaris onto the perseus and call it a day.
I love the Perseus for its lower crew requirements. It just seems like a way more realistic ship to crew with a few friends on a daily basis compared to the Polaris. The only thing I don't like about the Perseus is its price at $675, but I got mine for $305. Which I think is a way better price for what it offers, so I can't complain there.
To different roles... Perseus is a slow, very heavy armored escort ship that punches up in class. The Polaris is a small agile Cap ship with recon and light strikes, until they sort it all out no one really knows tho. Just what we have been told. Enjoy any ship you want and have fun in the verse.
@@marcuswynn89 My message was not aimed towards you, I was reading lot of comments on your video many giveing some hate and pointing out flaws that current game is with ships. I get why your doing your videos and its your opinion on things it was nice observation on both ships. We are all different and may do different things when it comes to playing the game.
I kinda wish the Perseus gets the javalin turrets, size 7 cannons and size 3 miniguns to switch inbetween. would be kinda nice since gunner isnt the most fun.
I think the Perseus will still be a great escort ship as with a min of 3 crew you have a pretty good weapons platform and in order to get the same relative firepower you would need 4 crusader Ares Star fighters. Combat wise you can bring most of the Polaris guns to bare with about 5 people and it lists 6 as a min with a max of 14. But the Polaris is a much bigger ship, and has allot going on even without engineering. It will be interesting to see if the Polaris can punch down with its torps or if its more for strikes against Destroyers and up depending on the speed and agility of the torps the idris might be small enough to dodge them most times, making the smaller torps more effective and with 20 size 5's, more agility and 4 size 7 weapons the Perseus with 3 people might be more effective even if it is meant to be be gears towards corvettes and other large but non-capital class ships. Still waiting to see the finished product but I like the improvements down to the Polaris.
the Perseus need more small turrets or maybe a pds system to protect itself, the armor and main guns are fine, no problem there, the torpedoes ... well maybe a one size up, but not needed THAT much honestly, just the small anti-fighters / anti-ordnance turrets aren't enough the bottom one should be moved in the front, under the point of the nose
I feel like the polaris will be a good escort ship that can fill the rôle of capital ship for smaller patrol. The perseus will shine as a destroyer, but will need an escort.
According to a leak , the Polaris mght have automatic AI guns. If the s10 torp is slower than the s9 torp, will be a joke, as will have a speed under 120m/s, With a minimumum lock distance of 5km for launching, it will take 50 secs or so to reach a stationary target , the target can simnply shoot them down or run away at scm speed. Countersmeasures can also be used on torps. From their initial tactical over view, the Polaris would go in fast , launch torps, get distance, reload, rinse and repeat. But this is pointless as cant launch below 5km, the torps (and all missiles) ignore launching ship speed and go straight down to their max speed, not hitting nything trvelling faster , even if launched right behind them at the same speed. Aswell as missiles beiong totallyunrelistic , big ships have no armor to absorb blows of light fighters.
@@marcuswynn89 the hammerhead is built as an Anti-fighter gunship, it's the gunners job to shoot down missiles, plus the hammerhead is supposed to have really good armor along with the Perseus. neither need PDCs
I think the biggest point the perseus has over the polaris absolutely is the crew size. Especially with the size upgrades to the polaris it really cant be as effective if you only have 3-4 people. The perseus is in my opinion a better hammerhead. But lets be honest, the real answer is both😂 a polaris and a perseus escort is nasty
I think that the Forward facing firepower on the Poly is more than the Percy. The Capital shield and upgunned nature i believe will give the polaris a "higher" total "Health" pool, even in the future when the Armor gets added. Assuming the bespoke x4 size 7 guns on the Percy aren't completely nuts in terms of raw DPS. POLY has: 1 x S6 frontal, x2 Quad Size 4, x2 quad size 3 turrets facing forward. Just seems to me like quite a bit / maybe even more than a Percy's total dmg. Potential facing forward. Im just speculating tho .... Lets hope CIG does not fuq em both up in the future.
@@mortalkombatfight-clubsofi9637 until perseus priority targets the size 6 and then polaris becomes perseus play thing, polaris still needs that further up gun they talked about, if the torps are thrown out polaris will get beaten up by subcap ships
@@DemiGod.. 450k shield and cap armor vs 100k and subcap armor, 8 s4 and 2 s6 vs 4s7, without the torpedoes the Polaris still wins. This used to be a debate till the Polaris got upgunned and pds but now it's no longer even a discussion
@@darkmatter1337it’s been said that the Perseus has extremely thick armor, way thicker than the Polaris. Polaris is more of a shield tank, where the Perseus has more armor.
offering that someone could spend money on the polaris and its viable as a solo or minimum crew knowing that engineering isnt that far off..... bruh not a good look at all.
I’m not telling anyone what to do with their money relax, and we don’t know when the engineering time sink will be in the game so people will actually enjoy the ship without having to change fuses every two hours
I have both ships the Polaris will be my organisation's flagship and the Perseus will be my personal ship for me and a few friends. I also have an IronClad to trade and fund both ships.
Nice bro 😎
@@marcuswynn89 My soul has been bound to the game since 2016 RIP haha 😂
I, too, have both. I'd rather have a Perseus and Polaris instead of an Idris.
People keep forgetting that the Polaris SCM is over 200 m/s. Read it. The Polaris is as fast as a fighter. There is no strafing this ship. Catching up to it will be HARD. Running away from it is not a thing.
Idris killing technique: Go at the Idris at full speed. Tank the 1 railgun round it will shoot with the Polaris capital shields. and At 1 km, dump 4 torp in the Idris face. If the Idris is not in full battle mode with manned turrets and escort fighters in flight, it will die.
I got the Polaris in my hangar and plan to get the Perseus ingame. For 25 more the Polaris was just better price to performance
That’s only assuming that your torpedos will hit their targets
It probbaly wont fit in your personal hanger
@@marcuswynn89I doubt they will and most of the time probably will fly it solo anyhow, so will just use it for a base . But if the torps do work, will be an excuse to form crews and have fun with it.
One idea is to carry a scorpius antares to lock down a big ship and demand a ransom. If they try to run or shoot , the antares will interupt their engines with emp till the torps hit. This would require 4 crew., 2 of them in the scorpius
XL hangars exist...
And I assume my torpedoes will hit as they are designed only to hit subcap and higher. They are also a new type and with server meshing server performance won't be an issue
The Percy is probably going see a lot more action. Most people can get together with just a small group of friends which has got to better suited to the Percy. My buddy has one and we can literally put 4 people together at best. It'll be a lot cheaper to operate too
im still rocking the Perseus hands down. its not as big of a ship to maintain and less players to get to max firepower. i know the polaris will have more "fire power" per player. but its whole draw is torps. and thats not going to be a end all be all. you fire a torp and win. its going to be slow like the a2 bomb and we just going to shoot them down. i can counter your big torp with a little bike just camping you waiting for a torp. and what happens when you run out of torps? you lose so much fire power. over half
thats a valid point, im still rocking the Perseus though but it is nice to see they did make the Polaris into an actual capital ship and and just not a big fat Retaliator
The S10 torpedos will likely 1 hit cripple a Perseus, if not outright KO. You can hide with a bike nearby if you want, but the Polaris is covered in quad S4 guns and PDS now, plus however many fighters u cram in the hangers. A Polaris will just bum rush a Perseus, and at close range let off 4 S10s. Even 1 gets through and you're toast. Perseus only has 2 defensive turrets, and lower front is a blind-ish spot. When all guns are trying to stop the torps, the Polaris rolls by and pummels you with S6 guns and missiles before it passes. Rinse and repeat. The only trick the Perseus has is maaaaaaybe operating as a standoff sniper vs hammerheads so fighters can get close to bigger ships. 1 v 1 pre-engineering the Polaris is simply too much of a brawler, especially considering the blind spots of the Perseus S7 guns.
@foxhoundusmc it’s gotta catch me first
@marcuswynn89 that's only sorta true. My torps gotta catch you. And my S6 can shoot at your engines. And the Polaris is already expected to be the faster capital ship. And I can send something like a Scorpius Antares to EMP you....
@@foxhoundusmc Perseus is a tank. Its armor is said to be able to sustain S6 guns to the face. Even though the Perseus is smaller than the Polaris, it has much more armor. The Polaris is mostly shield.
Ain’t no way those dual size sizes are doing a million DPS 😂 I’m gonna need to see a source for that
He’s just misunderstanding a leaked statistic, the size 6 guns with their leaked ammo count will do a total of 1 million damage before running dry
I just love how the Perseus looks. That's it.
That's Star Citizen in a nutshell
Lmao
My first thought when I hear “hundreds of Furies” is, who the hell will want to risk his life flying them? Isn’t Death of a Spaceman a thing? Those things are death traps.
Kinda wild how engineering is kinda a dreaded update for the entire community with with "we'll be able to have fun with such and such ship until enginerring then it will be to much of a pain to run and scrounge people together all the time" etc. Makes me think they gotta re think it significantly since everyone is basically trying to get there last bit of fun in before engineering. That's just.......not right
It’s because CIG sucks at implementation of features and we never get a complete feature
Great video. On the drugs M, John Crewe did mention at citcon last year a citcon that the M,P and K hit would all drop at the same time when SQ42 drops.
Hammerhead, Perseus and Polaris are three different types of combat ships. Only one is a capital ship with a dedicated purpose, the other two are sub-capitals, also with their own narrow focus on exactly one job.
Hammerhead: area-of-denial ship against fighters. Currently not working at its full potential, it is a game changer in space combat if you bring one to support your fighter squadron. Requires a crew of 7 to be used properly (pilot, 6 gunners) and may require two more players once engineering gameplay is implemented.
Perseus: heavy gunship with capital-class weaponry. The Perseus will be a deadly ship versus medium to large ships and, if used in groups, also may take down capital ships. It's main purpose however is to escort other capital ships for extra firepower, including the Polaris. Comes with a very small crew of 5 for now. May require 2 more players once engineering gameplay is a thing.
Polaris: capital ship and a dedicated anti-capital ship platform. S10 torpedoes are big damage dealers versus capital ships, while everything else provided as armament is meant to deal with smaller ships. Requires a ton of players to operate at all. Skeleton crew is perhaps like 10 players, but you may require up to 20 to man every turret, provide some protection against boarding and again, engineering gameplay will come with its own requirements.
I have all three in my hangar for the very reason each ship has its own identity and place in any given fleet or small scale engagement. It depends on the mission what ship I'll pick.
I hope they stick to actually making a size 7 gun for the perseus. Feel like knowing CIG they will just slap the size 6 from the polaris onto the perseus and call it a day.
Man I hope not
I love the Perseus for its lower crew requirements. It just seems like a way more realistic ship to crew with a few friends on a daily basis compared to the Polaris. The only thing I don't like about the Perseus is its price at $675, but I got mine for $305. Which I think is a way better price for what it offers, so I can't complain there.
To different roles... Perseus is a slow, very heavy armored escort ship that punches up in class. The Polaris is a small agile Cap ship with recon and light strikes, until they sort it all out no one really knows tho. Just what we have been told. Enjoy any ship you want and have fun in the verse.
Thx for your comment, exactly, Im getting sick of this what ship is the best, people are talking like they're in kindergarten.
Dude it’s about the effectiveness in their roles I’m getting tired of y’all be so dense to not understand this
@@marcuswynn89 My message was not aimed towards you, I was reading lot of comments on your video many giveing some hate and pointing out flaws that current game is with ships. I get why your doing your videos and its your opinion on things it was nice observation on both ships.
We are all different and may do different things when it comes to playing the game.
How are you guys feeling about funding these ships. What’s more profitable slavage / mining / trade? Or is it constantly changing
Love em both. Thats why they are in my hangar 😅
Big spender! Let me hold a dollar!
@ my fleet isnt „that“ big…. 👀👀👀😅. My mate i play with got an even bigger one. We are mainly a duo and play with 2-7 ppl normally.
I kinda wish the Perseus gets the javalin turrets, size 7 cannons and size 3 miniguns to switch inbetween. would be kinda nice since gunner isnt the most fun.
I think the Perseus will still be a great escort ship as with a min of 3 crew you have a pretty good weapons platform and in order to get the same relative firepower you would need 4 crusader Ares Star fighters. Combat wise you can bring most of the Polaris guns to bare with about 5 people and it lists 6 as a min with a max of 14. But the Polaris is a much bigger ship, and has allot going on even without engineering. It will be interesting to see if the Polaris can punch down with its torps or if its more for strikes against Destroyers and up depending on the speed and agility of the torps the idris might be small enough to dodge them most times, making the smaller torps more effective and with 20 size 5's, more agility and 4 size 7 weapons the Perseus with 3 people might be more effective even if it is meant to be be gears towards corvettes and other large but non-capital class ships.
Still waiting to see the finished product but I like the improvements down to the Polaris.
I like the 30km first strike opportunity.
Team Perseus here😊
Two of my favorite speculative ships.
the Perseus need more small turrets or maybe a pds system to protect itself, the armor and main guns are fine, no problem there, the torpedoes ... well maybe a one size up, but not needed THAT much honestly, just the small anti-fighters / anti-ordnance turrets aren't enough
the bottom one should be moved in the front, under the point of the nose
with them saying the s6 guns on the Polaris being able to kill cap ship and the Perseus with s7 i think Perseus will be able to kill Polaris easy
That’s what I’m thinking
@@marcuswynn89 and you can have 2 Perseus for same crew as 1 Polaris
@emu1113 it’s always better to bring more DPS
I feel like the polaris will be a good escort ship that can fill the rôle of capital ship for smaller patrol.
The perseus will shine as a destroyer, but will need an escort.
Got both ships and have friend and Family to fly these at the same time.. But these thing will be server killers.
I'm still choosing Zeus over both ;)
Zeus is trash lol
According to a leak , the Polaris mght have automatic AI guns.
If the s10 torp is slower than the s9 torp, will be a joke, as will have a speed under 120m/s, With a minimumum lock distance of 5km for launching, it will take 50 secs or so to reach a stationary target , the target can simnply shoot them down or run away at scm speed. Countersmeasures can also be used on torps.
From their initial tactical over view, the Polaris would go in fast , launch torps, get distance, reload, rinse and repeat.
But this is pointless as cant launch below 5km, the torps (and all missiles) ignore launching ship speed and go straight down to their max speed, not hitting nything trvelling faster , even if launched right behind them at the same speed. Aswell as missiles beiong totallyunrelistic , big ships have no armor to absorb blows of light fighters.
I've also heard the same rumor about fully automated point defense turrets but for the perseus.
Caterpillar is also 576 SCU
C2 is I think 695
and BMM will be almost 3000
Okay thanks for that clarification
And Hull C is 4096.
@@luistigerfox but he mentioned the Hull C in the video. so i did not add it
i think if i need a fleet to fight a idris. why not just bring another idris
The Perseus will change too in design.
I’m sure it will hoping it gets at least one PDS
for me the polaris is the perfect 'special operation' ship.
The only thing keeping me from the Perseus is a med bed and cost factor between the two. This doesn't make sense from a metrics standpoint.
Why not get a medical rover for a med bed?
@DemiGod.. you can, but I feel it should be standard for that size classification.
I got the perseus and the merchantman. Dont know yet how im going to play it ill need an org someday
you can join the Valoriant empire! Its the org im in
where are you getting a million DPS?
Polaris was ALWAYS the better ship.
Hopefully the Perseus gets bigger and gets large guns
It already has size 7’s all it really needs is a PDS
@@marcuswynn89 only Capital Ships will have PDS
@Plexiei both Perseus and HH need at least one PDS or they’ll die to misse spam from fighters
@@marcuswynn89 the hammerhead is built as an Anti-fighter gunship, it's the gunners job to shoot down missiles, plus the hammerhead is supposed to have really good armor along with the Perseus. neither need PDCs
@Fire-Bound it’s better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it
I think the biggest point the perseus has over the polaris absolutely is the crew size. Especially with the size upgrades to the polaris it really cant be as effective if you only have 3-4 people. The perseus is in my opinion a better hammerhead.
But lets be honest, the real answer is both😂 a polaris and a perseus escort is nasty
Why choose, when you can have both :)
If you really can fit a Vulture in a Polaris, I'm upgrading my M2 and selling back my Ironclad. btw I am a solo player.
use star hangar next time? have much nicer models
Why not both? XD ... my wallet hates me....
Because of the way my bank account is set up
BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH
In a head to head battle, the Perseus will get SMOKED!
depends opn the toprs hiting . Just now they travel slower than SCM speed and need 5km+ launching distance
I think that the Forward facing firepower on the Poly is more than the Percy.
The Capital shield and upgunned nature i believe will give the polaris a "higher" total "Health" pool, even in the future when the Armor gets added.
Assuming the bespoke x4 size 7 guns on the Percy aren't completely nuts in terms of raw DPS.
POLY has: 1 x S6 frontal, x2 Quad Size 4, x2 quad size 3 turrets facing forward. Just seems to me like quite a bit / maybe even more than a Percy's total dmg. Potential facing forward.
Im just speculating tho ....
Lets hope CIG does not fuq em both up in the future.
@@mortalkombatfight-clubsofi9637 until perseus priority targets the size 6 and then polaris becomes perseus play thing, polaris still needs that further up gun they talked about, if the torps are thrown out polaris will get beaten up by subcap ships
@@DemiGod.. 450k shield and cap armor vs 100k and subcap armor, 8 s4 and 2 s6 vs 4s7, without the torpedoes the Polaris still wins. This used to be a debate till the Polaris got upgunned and pds but now it's no longer even a discussion
@@darkmatter1337it’s been said that the Perseus has extremely thick armor, way thicker than the Polaris. Polaris is more of a shield tank, where the Perseus has more armor.
all 3 Idris's are coming with SQ42
offering that someone could spend money on the polaris and its viable as a solo or minimum crew knowing that engineering isnt that far off..... bruh not a good look at all.
I’m not telling anyone what to do with their money relax, and we don’t know when the engineering time sink will be in the game so people will actually enjoy the ship without having to change fuses every two hours
Connie is best for solo imho with a friend or two. Perseus gets mogged by Polaris. Just get polaris. Perseus overpriced.
Fleet viewer.
first for some reason