The BIG Problems with Splatoon 3's Splatfests...
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- Опубликовано: 30 май 2024
- This is a short rant video talking about my main issues with the current state of Splatoon 3's splatfests. I'm not talking about the themes themselves just about the system in general and what I think can be improved upon or changed in the future. Enjoy!
0:00 - Intro
0:16 - Tricolor Battle
1:06 - What old Tricolor did right
1:55 - Comeback Mechanic in Open
3:18 - Conch Shell Results
4:18 - Tricolor Maps
5:27 - Halftime Result Change
6:05 - Outro 
Игры
the actual biggest problem is how deep cut’s colors barely change for most splatfests 💔
I noticed this after the third and it’s literally stopped me from participating (though the imbalance of results doesn’t help either) Unique colors were the best part of splatfests! How could they 😔
@@Leviachan- i think it’s probably because they have to keep the colors easy to differentiate, and that’s harder with more colors
Bruh
Ugh absolutely this. I understand they have to make it so you can tell the colors apart, but I'm so tired of nearly every fest being blue, orange, and green
me too, the lack of color variety and shiver winning most splatfests makes each one kind of blend together. idk why they haven't realized they don't only have to use super vibrant colors, we've only gotten like 2 splatfests with pastels @@CuteZi
i honestly think my personal biggest problem with splatfest is how bloated the results have gotten, it used to just be popularity and winning, but now its like you have to play a week beforehand and then counting all 3 modes just for the chance to come in second place
Yeah
exactly
holy moly i kno u from twatter !!
And if you want to win you have to pick shiver’s team cuz everyone picks her team cuz they’re down awful
@@Danblak08I like shiver but what do you mean by down awful
Frye didnt even win aliens
jesus christ
I was also surprised she didn't win as team milk chocolate😅
What I don’t understand is why the two attacking teams are allowed to shoot each other. All it does is cause unnecessary salt and self sabotage. Why not have it so that while both the attacking teams can win together, the one who paints the most gets an extra point bonus? So that way there’s a moral conflict: do you work together to secure a win or go head strong for the extra points?
Have you forgotten that the games theme is chaos? Of course there will be sabotage. Also you get bonus points for getting the ultra signal so there is an incentive to attacking the other team and stopping them.
@@thesavageone8685 I haven’t, but if the theme truly is chaos then why not only have one attacking team win instead of both? That would make matches a lot more bloodthirsty. Instead, the two attacking teams either mess themselves up or have to be extra careful. Chaos is no holds barred, not being stupid
The attacking team that takes the win gets the most points, you're still competing against eachother.
That would be too much fool-proof. You gotta incentivate people to use their brain, that's what Nintendo always did.
I like it like that though since it gives the defender team a better chance at least, and it would be basically turf war but with only a cosmetic change
honestly, tricolour did a 180: at first, whoever won at halftime was fucked, and now whoever wins at halftime wins the whole splatfest. also, i find tricolour way less fun now that you can be both an attacker and a defender, no matter who won at halftime. the mode just feels meaningless now tbh
i dont get why tricolor is less fun when you get more variety and arent just locked to defending or attacking for the rest of the day.
its not meaningless cause of that, its meaningless cause you already know whose gonna win by whoevers winning halftime.
@@snaiilsalt i dont know, to me personally it just doesnt feel as cool now, but maybe thats just because the novelty wore off
Yeah I agree , I heard someone say most popular team should be defender since it’ll mean its a true comeback(cause most popular team usually wins) and people get to play more tricolour, which would be really cool imo
yeah the whole point of it was to give the winning team a disadvantage so the other teams had a chance.
@@sharkieanimates722 but it was way too much of a disadvantage that they always lost after that
The problem to me is that they keep giving shiver the better team and frye (sometimes) the unpopular team. Example: I know the order is Power wisdom courage, but give the other idols a chance. Why not wisdom courage power?
i literally rolled my eyes when i saw that fame is frye's team. no one is picking that!!
I wanna pick Frye since she had ZERO wins. I feel bad for her. Also, I'm real tired of shiver always winning...
Okay except for sweet, my bad
@@lualasexactly!! i picked money (not because of shiver, just because im asexual and socially anxious) and the entire splatfest i didn’t encounter fame once. not even in tricolour, they were all money v money v money. poor frye, maybe if they had given her money (which matches her colour scheme) she wouldve had a chance and the player percentages wouldve been MUCH less split.
(also next splatfest is mega stupid because its literally shiver v frye v big man the results are obvious from the start)
@@reiniarThey were stuck in mirror match hell.
@@littlebabyman8494 that was the pain of team sweet🎵
i had no idea halftime only counted open matches 💀 feels horrible considering i queue exclusively on pro, all my matches had barely any impact on the overall fest
On the flip side: i tend to lose most of my matches, so i don't feel like i held them back as much(though i'll admit they should probably be more clear about things: like what the difference is between the actual game modes)
I had no idea either, I mostly focus on open battles.
As someone whose obsessed with Splatoon and spends a lot of time playing it, hiding the percentage results would be a terrible idea for any of the categories. It would just fuel the conspiracy that Splatfests are in some way rigged if Nintendo just decided to start hiding the percentages. It would absolutely set the community on fire
Sadly you're right and that is a good point. And that's why if they just changed the halftime scoring to have pro as well maybe it would help "hide" the results better since the halftime score would be pulling from two separate modes which clearly have seen sometimes completely difference scores between teams.
Honestly, each final splatfest for each game so far might technically be rigged, 'cause I bet they design the next game ahead of time based on which team they choose.
I could be wrong, but I just wanted to mention this.
Shells and half-time really should be hidden until end imo
A bunch of people wait for shells or half-time to pick their team depending of who has the current adventage
Another awkward thing about the new system is when the halfimte leader team is attacking. For exapmple I was Team Strawberry, and if a "Strawberry defending, Vanilla and Mintchip attacking" happend.
The attackers are suposed to "take down the leader" but here they're not attacking the leader, they're attacking the last place team 😭
And even for Mint Chip, would be weird, beacuse if they win, vanilla wins too, so they are helping the leaders to be EVEN MORE on top of them. This create a sittuation of "Should I throw this match and let Strawberry win to avoid giving Vanilla more points?"
I was in team mint chip and I was the attacker only a few times and when I was the attacker I got strawberry and that made me a little mad since the tricolour matches should take down the best team, but if the strongest team always gets to attack and win points with a weaker team while dunking the other weaker team it feels like it’s no use. I rather have the original tricolour battles even if they were hard to defend in if that means the weakest team can have a chance to win, but if these mirror matches and these tricolour matches with the weaker teams as defenders keep happening then it’s a bit disappointing that the mode that was supposed to help the teams actually doesn’t do anything.
This is so true
Unfortunately the decision to change it to random rather than a set defender team was to stop large upsets from happening, bc several splatfests were overturned due to tricolor points being fucked up
@@armoredanteater609 It only happened twice with Rock and Gear (one of them was the demo so it doesn't really matter), and Water sweeped the splatfest, proving that both attackers and defenders could win.
Some people in this comunnity are just too inmature to take a lose 💀💀
@59n66 didnt water lose the tricolor category? In any case, its a good thing its random in my opinion. The "unfortunately" in my previous comment was for the person I was replying to, not my opinion.
Its a good thing its random bc then getting the badges isnt COMPLETE hell. Like, what if you were never on the winning halftime team? Then youd never get to defend.
The reason why Tri-Color sucks from a fundamental level:
Being able to take different routes to mid directly correlates with how well you can attack or defend. It is optimal for you to spawncamp, or at least mid camp, in a way that simply limits what routes your opponents can take to mid and which areas are safe. As an attacker or defender, your ease of success is linked to your options to reach mid. Therefore, the best strategy is to simply remove, or at least limit, your opponents' options.
With Splatoon 3, almost every stage by default lacks different routes to mid. They are small and they are narrow. Lockouts and chokepoints are already incredibly problematic for the ranked and competitive scene.
And now Tri-Color introduces a mode that inherently is built around routes to mid. Here we can see where the heart of the issue is.
Think back for a moment to stages like Goby Arena and Moray Towers and Arowana Mall. These were definitely not the best stages of their time, but do you ever remember being able to simply spawncamp on these stages? Nigh impossible. Spawns used to be so much larger and have wide flanks that circumvented from spawn to mid. It was also important for spawns to have high-ground and positions to defend from. Moray Towers succeeded where all of Splatoon 3's maps failed: it made the art of spawncamping an impossibility.
We have entered into a new era. A Saltspray Rig era.
Finally, just consider for a moment what a Snapper Canal tri-color stage would look like. Snapper Canal is so massive that you can quite literally travel from one team's spawn to the other without even entering mid. All of a sudden, the strategy of Tri-Color shifts from limiting your opponents' options and routes to how well you can rotate, flank, and position yourself. This is why Tri-Color is doomed to fail in Splatoon 3's current climate. No matter how much they try to balance the points calculated and the Ultra Signal and the Sprinkler of Doom they have yet to fix its core issue of map design.
I recently started playing splatoon 1 again and call me crazy but it feels so much better, fun and chaotic than splatoon 3
The first thing are the maps are just so big and it feels like you are playing a totally different game than in splatoon 3 there are so many flank routes that in just in a match i flanked more the enemy team that in all my playtime in splatoon 3 and i freak out when i saw that almost inkable walls there are and omg mahi mahi feels like totally different in splatoon 3 i will say that is the worst in my opinion and it just feels like you have more freedom to flank and to defend than in all splatoon 3.
Then the chaos is a lot different in splatoon 3 than in splatoon 1: Splatoon 3 has the chaos of being more fast and for example like 3 or more explosions of ink and Booyah booms happening at the same time or missiles targeting you like wtf they were thinking at least in splatoon 1 feels a lot more satisfying splating with a killer whale and you had to AIM IT but with missiles its like well lets just spam it. But in splatoon 1 chaos feels more slowly mainly because bomb rush and inkstrike or killer whale that you have an opportunity to dodge and have and you can prevent it the time the player aims it and that types of specials feels to annoy the backliners because in splatoon 1 is impossible to enter the enemy zone in splatoon 3 we have some tools like booyah bomb or triple inkstrike that mainly is an entry tool while in splatoon 1 is so slow that you main entry tools are the flanks.
And for last everyone should at least try splatoon 1 because its just so much fun and entertaining that splatoon 3 at least in my opinion: In splatoon 3 i play at least 15 matches and like 7 of those matches i play because i have fun and in the others matches i start to slightly lose interest in until i stop playing but in splatoon 1 i play the same amount of matches and im still having fun even if i lose because i had fun anyway in splatoon 3 i lose by to manners: teamates left the match or opponents destroy us and we endup with people with 20 kills or more and 0 deaths in splatoon 1 if we lose we lose because the opponent made their best but or team too i get that feeling in every match even if we get K.O. In splatoon 3 i usually get that feeling in 1/100 matches but anyways i still like splatoon 3 and splatoon 1 and this is only the thoughts i have while playing splatoon 1.
so fix the fucking maps nintendo
It's a good thing that spawncamping is ruined. It's objectively a shitty thing to do
@@mr.shtinko983 Actually Splatoon 3's map designs have actually made spawncamping worse. S3 maps now limit the diff routes to mid so it is a lot easier to get stuck at spawn.
At least the new maps are a sign of hope. Those could actually work alongside Hagglefish (For me the best S3 map before this update)
Finally someone who talks about mirror matches being a problem
Huh?! Were you living under a rock?!? Literally EVERYONE has complained about mirror matches
Who doesn’t complain about mirror matches, what are u talkin about?
literally everyone complains about vs. self battles cuz it doesn’t give clout/points for your team lol
From my experience I’ve barely seen anyone complain about it
Shut up almost every big splattuber complains about mirror matches you just wanted a heart lmao
I remember when someone pointed out that people may just be waiting and then choosing the team that’s winning the halftime results so they can basically win the splatfest easily
this is the genuine reason why I'm not excited for splatfests anymore nor do I really have motivation to play them- is because it feels like they're just losing their hype. I miss the previous game's splatfests because Splatoon 2 had shifty stations, and they were literally the best thing ever. they gave us a chance to play on a special stage that was always unique in a way. and plus, those splatfests felt a lot more lighthearted to play and i wouldn't feel stressed out while playing them.
As for Splatoon 1, same reason, but no shifty stations.
but whenever i play a Splatoon 3 Splatfest i always get this "Eh" feeling while playing them, it just doesn't feel too right and tricolor battles just feel so messy to me to the point where i never play them, i only played it once and just thought; "...This feels weird.."
i do hope splatfests we get in the future improve though :'D
Fr, I never got to play splatoon 1 but in splatoon 2, splatfests actually felt exiting and fun, you really didn’t know who was gonna win!! I don’t wanna blame it on the fact that Frye might be unpopular because Pearl was unpopular at first too but people grew to seriously love her, it’s the same with Frye, I just feel like you can always tell which team is gonna win this time and it makes me not even wanna play or get excited for splatfests anymore
@@goodolmeplant5809 yeah, that's true. I just hope frye gets more attention soon as well :'D
@@goodolmeplant5809i always say this its like "ok pick team shiver or choose to lose" at this point
@@creativename8 yeah, exactly.. it is sad..
I think not only that but the Splatfest themes for Splatoon 3 are just more boring IMO. I’m personally not too enthusiastic about the choices in the splatfests so far and they’re not hills I would die on.
In the Splatoon 2 splatfests I actually had stronger opinions for and against a lot of the choices (especially in the Salsa vs. Guacamole splatfest…I hate guacamole with a passion and freaking love salsa lol), but in Splatoon 3 I haven’t particularly felt too strongly about the choices besides Team Love.
It also doesn’t help that all of the splatfests are worldwide now and there are no more region-exclusive splatfests, so they have to come up with splatfests that everybody in the whole wide world can relate to which really limits the themes we can have. And on top of that they have to think of three choices instead of two which restricts them even more.
Because how easy it is to predict which team is gonna win, I wait till half time to pick my team, and I've only lost once(the first splatfest not counting the premier one). If a team wins at half time, they are most likely gonna win the entire thing, so what's the point in picking a team early besides from the conch shells. I really do think Nintendo will change how they show the results if this splatfest, the halftime winner wins the whole thing again
It's a shame because this strat does work and I bet it convinces players to at least wait until after the conch shell results to just "not pick the team that was last in shells".
Personally I don't care and pick whatever I wanna pick but I still don't like how they show too much information about the results during the fest.
And this is the strat I don't like even though! It's a valid strat.
I believe playing the whole fest is much more fun than winning but valid 😂
@@polkadot7116 Yeah, I just want to hit Ruler and be done. Sometimes, it feels like a hassle to win if you're getting blown up in Pro or someone DC'ing in every other Open match.
Well to "what's the point in picking a team early besides from the conch shells" we could also ask "what's the point of picking team just for the win when winners barely get 1 to 3 more shells"
Poor Frye and I feel Bad for Her Pain.
It is mainly due to bias against her, because unlike Shiver and Big Man, Frye is hated by a vast majority of the fans over her design. Her one victory happened because she was lucky enough to be on a team that was popular with the majority of the world. So because of the hate Frye has, she isn't winning any future Splatfests. Her only chance of her winning is being on a team that is popular with a majority of the world again. Until then, the hate the majority the community has towards her will be keeping her from winning.
@@31darkstar37 Yes and Even August 10 2022 when Splatoon 3 Direct was released The Fanbase makes fun of Frye Forhead.
@@31darkstar37 i genuinely don't get why someone could hate frye. hell, even when i was a shiver fan, i acknowledged how silly and adorable frye was. all the people who hate on her are just shiver simps i swear
@@callie_calamarior her design is dumb asf. Give her some hair to cover that big as forehead and some black air forces
@@callie_calamari Unfortunately I think a possible part of it is bias against her design and skin tone (that's just my guess) I love Frye but some people just hate her for (possibly bigoted) stupid reasons
i remember being pretty happy that tricolor turf war being made accessible for everybody, and i still think its great that more people will get to experience it... but it was still pretty crucial to the whole thematic of splat 3's splatfest, the whole comeback thematic.
me too, the first splatfest i didn’t get to play a single tri color even though I played all day !!
honestly i never noticed that they changed the tricolour battles, its really a shame but at the same time i remember people complaining that one side would always win those no matter what. there's also the whole "oh i just wait until half time and pick the team thats winning so i get a free win"... its a strategy yeah but honestly one i really dislike, it turns splatfests from "pick which team you'd be on based on the theme/idol (if you dislike the theme or just can't choose between the options)" into "pick the winning team so you get more rewards", maybe im just sad that Frye always comes dead last (aside from her victory with Team Sweet) no matter what but i really wish they changed the way they showed the results in the half time report; like maybe having it so you can't choose a team after the half time report goes live? that brings issues of people who would be unable to play the first half but could play the second half being locked out of splatfests but at the same time it means people can't just hop to the winning team for better rewards. sure people might still pick based on their fave idol but honestly i prefer that over people just picking based on whose winning at the half time showcase, and tbf ive picked based on my fave idol before when i either didn't have an opinion on the theme (in splatoon 2 ik id pick pearl sometimes because both options were the 'same' for me and i simply couldn't decide or because my friend was on Pearl's team) so i dont mind if people do that. i know this might be a more minor issue but it always feels like a larger problem to me, i dont play much of the tricolour battles to be fair so i didn't notice as many issues with them but you brought up some really good points in the video! sorry for going on for so long TwT
All that just for a 3 super sea snail difference once a player reaches ruler.
@@Kyzekrem its legit not even worth it but some people will go out of their way to wait until half time all for... 3 super sea snails, i get its a small issue but it just irks me lol
It's interesting because this same situation has played out in every splatoon game. In Splatoon 1 it was "pick the least popular team to win". I will admit I did abuse that strategy back in the day but at least in that game it was more worth it due to the larger difference in snails between winning and losing. Splatoon 2 it was at least a little more balanced despite an era of splatfests having the least popular team winning every time but when they introduced the clout system things became way more balanced with a mix of the most popular and least popular team winning.
Now it seems in this game the most popular team wins everytime as it's happened 7/8 times and even the one time it didn't happen the popularity vote was by a difference of less than 1% (on the aliens splatfest).
@@Coldeggman ye i remember Marina losing a lot of splatfests early on in splatoon 2, not sure if she was always least popular but she had a loooot of losses, (iirc) clout being added to calcs helped a lot so maybe they'll do something like that in the future if they keep getting the most popular team getting the wins
I just wish we had unique maps like in splatoon 2, maybe even with the extra mechanics. At this rate, we're going to end up playing our final splatfest tricolor on Wahoo World or something.
I bet they would do an "Every Tricolor map will be in rotation" gimmick for the final splatfest.
@@LuisSantiagoMijaresOrdon-er8jt They just did that for the anniversary one.
@@brandyt890 oh wait they did? I didn't bother playing tri in this one lol.
The maps being small as hell doesn’t help either. Every splatfest I’m having to fight like I’m in S+ in TURF. I don’t wanna do that and people always wanna say “get good” I am GOOD. The maps are ass and too small and everyone just rushes base now cause we’re 3 games in and everyone knows how to keep you trapped in base cause there’s pretty much no escaping once you’re trapped.
Yes! Stop showing Conch shells cause I get a funny feeling that some people just pick whoever is leading when that is shown and that's annoying. Also, it's demotivating seeing your team just basically lose with no chance.
Wow I can’t believe they actually ruined Tri-color by destroying what made it unique in the first place. Now that’s a new low AND a new record for the best self-destruction action Guinness has ever seen. Elon Musk would by proud of them.
I think its interesting to suggest they bring back the comeback mechanic. We had it for the first ones but Bigfans got big mad. I also miss the new maps for splatfests :(
Something small I miss, was how the teams in splat 2 were drawn. I liked the little cartoon guys over a static image
I KNOW RIGHT WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT 😭😭😭
Personally I think they should just return it the way it was. I miss being able to play Tricolor as a defending premade group of 4.
Or maybe just allow you to play from solo to 4 members. Squads get the priority for defendants and Duos the priority for Attackers. Trios have the secondmost priority for defendants and if someone is soloing they get put with a trio, this way at least 3/4 of the defendants are coordinated. Solos can also form attacker teams but that would be the worst case scenario. As for defendants, 2 duos, 1 duo and 2 solos or 4 solos are the worst case scenarios.
you know what would probably help?
making it so the idols reveal their theme choice after the splatfest has started because by then most people have picked their choice and its more likely people will pick for their favourite option then their fave idol which is annoying
Or dont reveal idol choices until the splatfest ends to make it totally unbiased. Players can still vote for teams during the splatfest itself so making the idol reveal after you cant vote anymore elimates idol voting bias.
Honestly i really liked shifty stations, tricolor just doesn't feel as exciting
Egh, my biggest gripe is with Halftime as a whole. As soon as they announce who's currently in the lead I see two things happen 1) If someone's team is NOT in the lead they give up and decide there's no point in trying anymore. For now, this is especially so if Shiver's team IS in the lead. But 2) People decide now is the time to choose their team instead of picking the team they actually agree with from the start. Granted, if you only care about winning it is a valid strategy and I'm not trying to sit here and tell people how they should play but it just doesn't feel in line with the whole Splatfest spirit, in my opinion. I know everyone's got something against "Shiver simps" but at least they pick the team they like and play instead of waiting to see who's "winning" before they join in.
Halftime just feels super demoralizing as things are now. And you know what so does Sneak Peek I'll throw that in here too. Being able to see who's going to win before the event has finished let alone before it's even started is demoralizing and I've seen it makes people not even want to bother trying; it feels bad. I don't have a solution right this second other than just straight up removing both Sneak Peek and Halftime, but SOMETHING needs to be done to make Splatfests feel like they're worth fighting to the end instead of giving people every reason to not even bother trying.
I just want to play tri-color the whole Splatfest because I normally have less time on the last half and it's honestly the BEST part out of Splatoon 3's Splatfests
I do believe I have an explanation for why the latest tricolor map was so god awful (at least from my opinions and experience). A major factor that’s just missing from modern splatoon 3 maps is the amount of alternate paths and flank routes at spawn. The problem with that map is just that there was one single path to go down, meaning you could have 2 teammates at each entrance for the attacking team and win every time pretty much.
Conch shells need to be displayed at the beginning imo, because it shows a lack of participation by the players on that team
lack of participation will also directly result in less clout as well because it drags the % down on each mode
so imo it needs to be there at the start of the splatfest to signal flare to the teams that are behind to atleast step up their participation if they want to win.
fyi ppl, if you only play one mode you'll drag down the % on the modes you don't play
this got explained
so if you want your team to win you need to play all modes
Yeah that's a fair point, but I also view it as which team is the "least skilled" in getting the most conch shells since the more you win, the more shells you'll get. So the team with the least amount of shells is generally going to be the team with the "worst" players which is why the trend is there.
A middle ground taking into account both Activity-Based Rates (The winner is the most active, not the most skilled) and Skill-Based Rates (The winner is the most skilled, not the most active) would be to not show percentages nor the overall ranking in the initial report, just say who is leading. This way you don't know which team is underperforming nor how big the lead of the winners is. In the results of course you can show the percentages.
Honestly, my idea for tricolour (that’s I’ve had this idea since the “fix”) is to make keep tri-colour an option for the half-time winners a thing, but also when queuing for a tricolour, make it a scaling effect for defence!
Like, if the halftime winners are winning by a wide margin, make their chance to be defence even higher (like 60-80% to defend, but not 100%)
And if their isn’t much of a gap between first and second place, still have the half-time winners be more likely to defend (like maybe 40% chance to be defender)
That's a really good idea, and would honestly balance the old system. Sadly I dont think they're gonna go back to the old system.
Yeah... Barnicle and Dime was a horrible map for tri colour because you can easily get spawn camped as an attacker on these two "squares" of the tetris S shaped map. Sturgeon Shipyard was unbalanced towards defenders because the map allowed attacker to come in from different places.
Also, unrelated but does anybody else just not play mirror matches? I just kind of walk around and do nothing, as the outcome doesn't really matter anyway.
Yeah I don't try as hard on mirror matches because regardless of which side wins, your team is still winning.
The tricolor map (barnacle & dime) for the last splatfest was so bad because of the choke point between the attacking team base and mid. Its design makes it so that whoever is attacking from mid has a significant advantage over whoever is in the base area. There are no real flank routes, so you have to brute-force your way to mid or use a really nimble weapon. This can kind of work in a ranked battle (although unenjoyable), but it is just bad when the enemy team has 4 players and you have 2. Yeah, they have to divide their players between the two sides, but the players in mid can prioritize different sides depending on the situation. Also, it's not like the two attacking teams will be up and actively attacking at the same time, so the defending team can afford to take 3v2s a lot. Other maps have better flank options, but this map forces fighting, which creates the issues I described.
Honestly, they should just stop counting Shells for wining. It wouldn't be enough alone, but it will already be an easy yet effective way to make splatfests feel better.
Because for now, Shells are just a second clout category
i’ve been voting the least popular team every splatfest cause i just wanna have fun 🤷♀️ idc about winning i don’t wanna play 80 mirror matches in a row
I think the biggest problem with tricolor is that maps either favor the attacking side or defending side. No in between.
people when they say i don't hate frye: the splatfest
i picked frye 7 times this time is the 8th
i have gotten in last place in every splatfest i’ve played in (scissors, grub, fire and strawberry) obvs sometimes it’s not dead last but i’m starting to lose hope 😭😭 i’m not even a frye stan i just like her choices more 🥴
I think that the halftime report thing has been 50-50 for this system so far. I was on both halftime winning teams so far.I lost my second splatfest; Baby chicks vs Lil’ Bunnies vs Bear cubs. I won my first splatfest with a lot of participation compared to my second; I was on team Keyboard for the music Splatfest.
Oh boy I loved doing tricolor and just making vanilla’s lives miserable whether or not i was attacking or defending. So much fun
I've never had much of a problem with mirror matches until the most recent Splatfest (at the time of commenting). Most of my matches were Love vs Love (vs Love in tricolor). Really disappointing because the matches just felt like regular matches. I would've loved to see the Splatfest colors. Really misleading too...I thought Love was gonna crush it with how many I fought against.
Unfortunately Money is way more popular in Japan which sucked because in the original Love VS Money splatfest in Splatoon 1 in Japan the votes were almost 50/50 and in this it seems that Money was vastly more popular over there.
Copy pasting a comment I made from somewhere else! :)
So, a funny correlation that I picked up on due to the results of the last splatfest using good old inkipedia is actually quite interesting. So... sneak peek results, yeah? Fun fact! There's only been 2 times out of the 7 splatfests that we had that the team who DIDN'T acquire sneak peek won (meaning that 5/7 were won by sneak peek winners). Popularity, however, has only had a single team that didn't acquire the points, being Team Nessie during the NAB splatfest (which also didn't get sneak peek). The amount of points you receive by getting both sneak peek and popularity (which demonstrated so far is more likely than not) is 15 (as of currently). Which means you only need to grab tricolor to win, or hope that another team doesn't get tricolor and another category.
Which brings me to tricolor. The maps for tricolor (except for probably 2) are usually bad and heavily skewed in one way or another. So... what if the sneak peek team is also winning at halftime? It's perfectly acceptable to throw in the towel right then and there instead of fighting tooth and nail for a result you won't be able to change. There's only been a SINGLE splatfest that the halftime winner didn't win the entire splatfest- being the first one, GGF (when tricolor wasn't even a separate category).
So, to tl;dr this: Sneak peek and halftime results are terrible and actively show you who is going to win, especially halftime. Heavy balance changes need to be made to splatfests to make them remotely feel like a battle worth fighting.
Also, if any information in this is wrong, I apologize and will promptly edit my comment accordingly. Thank you for listening
There's some new information that I picked up in this video. The results of halftime only consider open matches? With that knowledge, doesn't that get rid of all purpose to play pro mode until halftime is announced?! Albeit soloq is terrible, but... that's just weird.
Also, hi! As a mild competitive player (barely dipped my toes in.) I can tell you my main problem with the B&D tricolor map: My GOD is it SO easy to spawncamp! Spawncamping defenders? Nope! ATTACKERS :D I literally had a crab in my spawn at one point, how fun! (Please for the love of god, as bad as Splatoon 2 balancing was, at least the splatfests were extremely fun.)
The reason why tricolor maps aren’t fun to play is because all those maps are designed to be played by 2 Groups. A third group coming in just makes the match chaotic bad. Like BAD bad. Also one suggestion to Splatoon 3: There should be something like Mystery Zones but for three groups and there are no “teams”. Simple turf war, BUT it’s 2vs2vs2 and the Signal in the middle of the map doesn’t effect that much like the Signals now. Any takes on that?
the only part that annoys me about SplatFests are that it prevents people who haven't picked a team from enjoying the main selling point.
And I know you'd go "But who wouldn't pick a team?", and to that I say probably a few people. They should at least keep normal Turf War open for those who haven't picked a team, so they can still play instead of grinding out Salmon Run or having to resort to Private Lobbies
Here’s what they need to, and SHOULD’VE done from the get go.
At Halftime, whatever team is in the lead is on defense. If another team takes 1st place, THAT team should be put on defense and the other team that was in the lead on attacking. That way, everyone knows whatever team is defending is in the lead.
Example: Team Vanilla is in the lead at Halftime, but Strawberry steals first, putting them on defense and Vanilla on attacking. But Vanilla could steal first back or Mint Chip could steal it from Strawberry. This goes on the entire second half of the fest.
I hope this makes sense. It’s easier to explain in person than through a comment.
My biggest problem with the current Splatfest system has to be the matchmaking. We have regional matchmaking yet we get global results. There has been at least two Splatfests so far that have been a huge problem. Chocolate and Money/Fame/Love, in both of these instances, one team was insanely popular in the West regions yet still lost the popularity contest because a different team was more popular in Japan, which has like 90% of the player base. Which gave both White Chocolate and Money the popularity despite the fact that Milk Chocolate and Love ran into nothing but mirror matches in NA and Europe, to where they can’t even score clout for their team.
What even is the point of the Splatfest region option in-game if everybody gets the same result anyway? I really hope Nintendo fixes the matchmaking to be global, or give us regional scores like Rock/Paper/Scissors did.
I feel like Miror matches have become a huge problem too. They're what I get 60-70% of the time and we dont get any splatfest points for them. I almost wonder if the devs have a switch they can flip to screw people over with miror matches. They were fun at first, but now they're seriously ruining my time.
Just wait for halftime to see who's winning and join them, granted you skip out on sneak peek etc
I wish splatfest crossovers like the Pokémon or Zelda one had a special item for each team like the light bow could be a weapon for team wisdom master sword for courage and idk what for power maybe the trident Ganon had and these could be made to fit splatoon and it could make some splatfest feel far more memorable
Honestly, I miss shifty stations… every “tricolour turfwar stage” feels so awkward to play on and when you’ve done tricolour once, there’s nothing new to it aside from waiting hours to get into a tricolour match
honestly during the ice cream splatfest I kinda gave up since almost all of my games were just mirror matches, I pretty much gave up on tri color since all of those matches were mirrors too! I think I had 2 actual matche that ended up ending early because someone dc'd. I was on team mint chip and earned no clout in tri color because all I had were mirror matches.
it would probably also help splat fests if all the choices weren't so unbalanced the only times they were, were during the themed ones like Pokemon or zelda otherwise it was terrible! team bigfoot had the lowest percent i've ever seen!
tbh my biggest problem with splatfests currently is the matchmaking. theres no ranked mode for spatfests so everyone is clumped together in the same gamemode. this means that as a casual player (me) you often get put up against extremely skilled players and just get steamrolled the whole match. it honestly makes it less fun for me, especially when i just play to have fun and im not nearly as skilled as some others. even if im just playing to have fun and dont care all too much about wins, its so unfun to be absolutely obliterated over and over by people way above your skill level. and its even worse when you end up just being spawn-camped the whole match. at least add a ranked splatfest mode or even other gamemodes besides turf war, OR just better matchmaking in general, perhaps based on your highest rank? this may be a stupid take but i at least wish it would be considered. it makes me not want to play splatfests when im just getting steamrolled the whole weekend
It would be great if Nintendo saw this video because I highly agree, it just makes sense to bring back the "come back" mechanic so that there's more of a challenge for the other two teams to catch up, as well as make it feel like it's anyone's game instead of feeling like you're being cheated. And yeah the conch shell sneak peek doesn't make sense, just show who won the most conch shells not add it to the winning board results, votes and clout make sense to count for the final results. So yeah I hope the devs fix that little problem too so that most Splatoon fans can actually enjoy the splatfests and look forward to it.
Honestly the only saving grace Splatfests have is winning feels more like icing on the cake than a genuine win. Regardless of the final result; You are always going to get a substancial reward if you pour hours into Splatfests and reach the maximum rank.
Which brings me to my personal nitpick; Let the winners keep the Splatfest Tee! Seriously, it's just a cosmetic item but serves as a good piece of your personal Splatoon journey.
I like that idea but sadly I feel that it would make things even more toxic when there's a whole piece of gear on the line for the winning team lmao
100% Easiest way to avoid Tricolor mirror matches: Pick Frye
Downside: You will lose
I jest of course.
Also, I'm really sad I missed the Zelda splatfest, that tricolor map looked so fun
atleast we got it back in idolfest!
@@koiyune Yeah, that was really cool. I played a lot that fest, and I'm glad I got to try it out.
The comeback mechanic was alright but it being removed was kind of unnecessary
Yess thank you for uploading this amazing video keep up the great work 🙏
i will never forgive them for giving shiver the MOST popular ice cream flavor in the world and then saddling the other two with mint and strawberry, like you couldn’t even give one of them chocolate ice cream?
Oh, by the way shiver won again!
I'm going to send pipe bombs to Shiver's mailbox someday.
shiver won so many times in a row
i find it really funny how literally the singular only thing that slightly convinced me to start playing in splatfests again was someone besides shiver actually winning for once. if she had won again im pretty sure i wouldve entirely dropped splatfests right then and there because. idk i dont think its very fun if splatfests are literally entirely the same result regardless of which team you pick and playing in them while not being on the winning team is basically completely useless outside of the conch shells
Gonna be honest, i thought it was going to be how Frye cant get a single W lol
She did win one though.
@@King_Luigi Only really cause of a good option, is she had like, spicy, she would auto lose cause no one likes her (unfortunately). Honestly they should do a thing where the idols dont reveal what teams they are until it starts
Tbh like this its pretty pointless to keep playing after you got to max splatfest rank... Unless ofc you want to continue playing fancier turfwar 😧
Screw tri color, bring back shifty stations. 💯
Yeah I'll be down if shifty station returns in a future update for Splatoon 3
Fr💔
MY problem is Frye's losing streak!
I hope the new system makes you feel better :3
So for the last splatoon 3 splatfest, splatoween shivers team went from 30% during halftime it dropped to 17% during finals so results , big man went from 30% to 67% this is VERY weird.
Bruh that thumbnail says a thousand words, Poor Frye man, they really need to cut her a break
im voting frye bcz shes literally the one who has the best leadership qualities and she sthe most splatadian out of them!!
Well now Frye got the most conch shells this time and got last in laterst splatfest. So the conch shell trend/argument doesn’t work anymore
Yup and it's the first time where the team that got last in conch shells ended up winning the splatfest
I’d rather have tricolour the way it is despite it not making much sense, than be in that old system where it was really rare to get in one. But I have to ask: why can’t we have tricolour making sense (winning team: defence), AND have it readily playable? They literally changed the system right after the test fire, surely they could’ve kept it around a bit longer to see if it was really that bad? Besides, I’d rather have a slightly unfair splatfest than not have any fun playing it, because that’s why I play video games: for fun.
Also side note but I swear tricolour (and the whole game) would be so much more fun if they would actually give us some bigger maps. Why’d they have to be so tiny?
My problem is that Shiver keeps winning and Frye only won once. Big Man is balanced but Shiver needs to be nerfed and Frye needs a slight buff to increase her chances of winning. It’s not fun if you know who’s winning from the very beginning.
Literally. Either pick shiver or lose at this point. Esp for this coming one like
I wanna pick frye but i also know im choosing to lose at that point. Shouldn't be like that
This might be a hot take but honestly I would get rid of the sneak peak conch shells. I’m not saying get rid of it I’m saying have it so that the conch shells are tallied at the end of splatfest instead of the beginning if that makes sense.
Maybe. I just don't like how it shows the exact results makes teams like Courage especially feel like they're losing 100% with no chance of comeback.
I feel like they should return to the old tricolor mechanics of having only the half time winning team in the middle, and Nintendo NEEDS. to SPECIFY. That THE ATTACKING TEAMS WORK TOGETHER. That solves SO many problems… I hate so much when you try for the ultra signal and the other attacking team splats you- and it LITERALLY costs you that match because there’s never another opportunity to get the ultra signal- then BOTH attacking teams lose and the defending team wins. Because right now it’s just- make the winning team lose, which includes a lot of throwing from the attacking team and it’s just- annoying…
Also, yeah. Tricolor maps need to be fixed ASAP. The Zelda one was the ONLY Tricolor map so far that was balanced and any team could’ve taken the win, most of the others have been very defender heavy maps and the attacking teams have lower chances of winning… when playing tricolor the best strategy to win is two players from the defending team spawn camp the other two sides, and the current maps have been very spawn camp maps ESPECIALLY the most recent one… Sturgeon wasn’t horrible but- I was defending on Scissors so I didn’t really know how attacking went, and it honestly was more balanced then the other tricolor maps (though, it could’ve been the fact there were a BUNCH. Of new players coming in because it was the global Testfire for free-)
And Hammerhead… I don’t know- I only played on it once since it was Fun who won half time that fest and Tricolor was practically nonexistent LOL-
The other tricolor maps though… besides the Triforce map, have been in all honesty pretty terrible…
I actually LOVE tricolor battles. They are so fun to play
SPEAKING OF BIG RUN. y’know what I thought it was gonna be? I thought it was gonna be two teams fighting against the salmonoids but it turned out to just be normal salmon run on a different map, I was SO disappointed
I agree with all ur statements here this needs to get more views!! 👍
One thing I find fard to comw by is mirror match since it doesn't really matter what side wins. Mainly because its the same team going against each other so if I were you just use that mirror match as a break to hydrate yourself. Other than that and it happens frequently just take a chill pill. But there was one team i bumped into the only mirror match i had while on team strawberry which was tri color. I do agree on giving least popular/low chance of winning teams a higher percentage after a battle. I understand its like a once of month event and all butbot would be nice to not have recycled splatfest that the one currently happening while writing this. If you already know if a teams gonna win whats the point of playing if you already know. Tri color has its ups and downs since it was supposed to be a comeback mechanic and all but it doesn't feel like it at all like what you covered in the video. One thing that could make it better is actually have current charts so then the "suppose" would seitch more frequently than just sticking the entire time after tri color is available. Tjat can add more variety and for the team that goes on attacking the most will get a higher percentage with rewards such as xp, and money. This video does a good job uncovering splatfest's flaws and ways to fix them. Im gonna be honest and knew from the bat that Vanilla was gonna win anyway but i still choose strawberry anyway because whats the point if you can't get regular matches in turf?
Edit 1: Splatfest results came out and Money won. As someone that was on team love tri color was non sense. Other than not being to play as much as the rest of the splatfest. The mirror matches weren't for me at all. I only got to play 1 real tri color match. If i were you and you know youre gonna lose just get to ruler/ruler+#. Im pretty sure 50% of the community is on a losing streak. I only won 1 splatfest if you wanted to know
same experience for me, and i'm over 50% lose streak
literally 80+% of my matches were mirror, and i felt like i contributed nothing bc i was burnt out by the time an actual match came along
@@user-ly2nn9yv1v Same. If there was some way you could just chill during those mirror matches it would be nice
Even if a dude liked to bring grub instead of gear, (the deserted island splatfest) he’ll choose gear because he’s a fan of shiver. Even though I joined splatoon 2 during the encore splatfests, I miss how people only cared about the theme. I almost cry about it.
I hated tri barnacle, I mostly was attacking and got spawn camped every game and Ik this next complaint about the map is just a matchmaking issue, but idc so every time I tried to counter the defenders by using hydra I got on the defending team I was unfamiliar with the tactics to spawn camping so I lost most matches. It’s sad to see one of my fav modes be so bad.
I miss Shifty Station. 😢
Same I hope they atleast bring shifty stations back in the final fest
Last splatfest as of this comment (money, fame love) really showed the issue there is with watches where you play against your own team. Not only were majority of people on team love openly venting at the amount of these battles they got, which i can attest to (i was on love) but also they are a waste of time. You earn no points for participating. And with a high number of these battles occurring it can ruin the splatfest experience and the point calculations. Alongside this, not everyone has time to play splatfest that long, so no progress is even made for that perosn sparing their time to play for their team.
Personally i did not get any points towards tri colour, all the matches i played were love v love v love. Most open battles were the same. The only chance i had for earning points for my team was pro, where it still occurred. Personally i think removing these matches would be best, but compensation for the match would be just as good of a fix. It can be frustrating to not be able to have a fair chance at a splatfest. It also contributes to the final score which i think is the main issue here. It can seem rigged, like some people post splatfest expressed. Overall, for a splatfest where love was a theme, not many felt it towards the event.
Sadly this is more of an issue due to balancing splatfest themes themselves. Really wish they could've thought of something better than fame for Frye then maybe it would've been balanced better.
Unfortunately if you remove mirror matches then you'll just be stuck with horrendous wait times for every match which would then result in people complaining about long wait times for matches. This actually happened in the first ever splatfest in Splatoon 1 in Japan and is the reason why VS self matches were added in the first place.
@@Coldeggman Yea, that's fair. I understand the need for them, that's why I feel some sort of pay off would be a good fix. Personally I'd rather wait longer to play a match where I can benefit instead of back to back matches that have no reward. It's just due to their frequency that's it gets annoying. I agree on the theme issue too, some of the splatfest so far have been unbalanced with the themes (I remember being on big foot haha). I guess it's just proving difficult to make good balanced 3 way splatfests, not always, but perhaps lately. Especially with that last one, it was a rehash of an old one, fame was doomed to fail since its conception, I feel
team love in tricolour 💀
I just got splatoon last week and I enjoyed my first splat fest. But now that it’s over I’m seeing all this hated for shiver in the player posts and I’m totally baffled lol
It is the sore losers. When picking a team don't pick off the idol pick your favorite theme.
honestly this is why i havent been playing these recent splatfests. which also really sucks because splatoon 3 is my first splatoon game ive been able to play and theyre not even any fun :/ and seeing favorite idol BARELY win ANY splatfests is super demotivating when you already know the outcome of it
I’ve played splatoon since the first game but I didn’t play it a lot because I was an Xbox nerd. Because of that, I missed out on every splatfest from 1 to 2 and I’ve been attending all the splatfests in 3 in an attempt to make up for all I’ve missed. Watching videos of the first 2 games, those previous splatfests (especially the ones in 2) look so much more fun than the ones in 3 and it honestly kills me inside knowing I missed out on that.
If Shiver wins again and adds to her win streak then thats a wrap for future splatfests. People will keep picking her team because its obvious that its the safe choice by now
Tri Color as a mode just sucks in general imo. What does it for me is the fact that if enemy teams take the ultra signal... they just have it for the rest of the game. I don't like this design because it means one single mistake could cost you the game. Even if you held control for longer, if they have it for 2 seconds you still lose at the end. They should've incorporated design elements of ranked battle... or Anarchy battle (still not used to calling it that mainly because I didn't play the game for the first year, quit for a while after they shut down rainmaker because it was broken lmao).
I have seen a tricolor splatfest once since the splatoon 3 demo
After this weekend I realized that player clout levels are the factor, not just number of wins… so to help my whole team, I have to play each mode next time so I’m not adding a 0 to the average.
4:35 tri-gorge (lol)
Not angry or anything but Shiver has won a fifth time in a row. Perhaps you could go a bit further if you wish?
my personal take (that nintendo likely won't do) is to just split the results. let there be a winner in each region that is participating rather than one result for all. the japanese playerbase is a lot more dedicated than the usa playerbase and (as we have seen with the most recent splatfest), it can completely skew the results.
or just give us a regional splatfest like there were in the other games
id like a mix, i dont mind doing some vs matches and some 4v4 matches. but only one or the other is a bit lame
Easiest way to predict which team wins is see which team Shiver is representing.
See, I think it was an abysmal decision just to split the available teams into three instead of the two we got in prior games, specifically because it had an end result of significantly ramping up the total number of players who would lose each event, but in such a way that players still feel like they could and should be winning.
Now, if there were way more teams to pick from, say seven or something like that, I think more players would get it into their heads that the odds are against them and that they have to be really good and committed to make it. But with three teams as is, just studying the way players talk about Splatfests, a lot of them still haven't twigged to the newer, steeper odds.
Alternative suggestion: frame the monthly community event not around a competition, but a game of collaboration, or make the competition earnestly chaotic and high-variance so players enjoy the sense of luck and discovery instead of focusing on results.
What did you have in mind for your alternative solution?
@@Whodjathink This is a good question, and while I'm gonna start by clarifying that I'm not a game developer, nor even a prolific gamer, it's important to recognize that the entirety of whether Splatfests are serving the community well doesn't come down to my personal ability to serve up the best alternative.
If I'm gonna do the work, it means that you can do it, too! Co-op and collaborative gaming exists, so we don't have to pretend to invent the wheel.
Off the top of my head, I'd serve up Shifty Stations 3.0, only instead of 4.v.4 Turf War, what if we instead had flights of 8 (or 9) players move to an objective more akin to Fall Guys. And while we're recognizing the players who place higher and place more consistently, we could offer prizes and celebratory events as the community clears milestones together rather than everything boiling down to an end-of-game rank between three teams.
To honor the theme of the number-three, players could even register w/ two friends or available teammate and share a synergy-score that could result in a locker-item you could hang up if you wanted.
Point being: coming up w/ alternatives to wonky-competitive versus scenarios in gaming is not hard; it just requires creativity and a recognition that a casual format probably shouldn't be as competitive.
I 100% agree with you on everything about the tricolor. Especially the opt in for longer queuing times, i would kill for that.
honestly, some of the splatfest questions are worse than the choices themselves. this splatoween apparently (did not play it, cannot afford $4 for online even if that sounds bad but i don't play s3 that much anyways so it's mostly just not worth paying for) was a "which would be the best friend?" and it was zombie, skeleton and ghost. zombie was doomed to become dead last because why would u wanna befriend a zombie? one bite and ur gone as well. it really should've been like "what is your favorite spooky creature out of these?" instead.
They may as well make tri colour available the whole time
The problem with splatoon 3 splatfest is *Shiver*
I’d ignore all these problems if they just added shifty stations back, which we probably won’t get until they finish working on the dlc