This iron flow battery could power a more renewable grid
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- Jesse traveled to a factory in Oregon, that’s building a new type of battery.
Sitting in a row outside of the factory, these giant batteries are the size of freight containers. Powered by vats of iron and saltwater, they’re called iron flow batteries. And they’re part of a wave of cleantech inventions designed to store energy from the sun and the wind, and solve a problem that has stumped the energy world for more than 150 years.
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Let us know if you have any questions about iron flow batteries or the video in general here in the comments. We'll do our best to answer them! (and if there aren't that many, we'll probably answer them)
Will be good to get real world numbers. No point having a battery that you need to replace every 2 months.
I'm curious about why they - so far - have not been more commercially successful. Ess looks like an interesting and well meaning company, but what it needs are a lot more sales. Do they need better marketing, or a better model?
Thank you for making this video. I am a share holder. And this is the first video I see go in depth and explain what they do in ess tech and how the batteries work.
Thanks for watching! This is the third installment of Proof of Concept -- it's an environmental science series about the weird winding road of discovery. You can check out all the other episodes here: ruclips.net/p/PL8CdHFjBJ1d_eYffafogiy-YZehjq6xcs
Thanks for the great explanation of iron flow batteries. So simple a 6th grader could understand it!
OMG great demo of the difference between traditional batteries and flow batteries! Made me laugh!
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The PB&J analogy was great. Thanks for the explanation.
Glad it was helpful -- thanks for tuning in
Love this. Super cool technology. Thanks for the great video.
Thanks for watching!
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this is fucking brilliant
really?? -- The only use I see is as a SUPPLEMENTATION of existing forms of storage to draw energy from. But I don't see any competition to Lithium batteries that power mobile EVs driving on the road or those that power airplanes. -- Perhaps traditional power plants can add these container-sized storage mediums onto their grid and help dispense energy
no it's a scam
@@sundo-pf5zv search nano flow cell. It’s already in a car
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Was wondering how much the iron flow costs on a per kWh basis, and if these costs can go down as more production ramps up?
Cost is highly dependent on duration of storage. ESS advertises they are competitive with li-ion at 4 hours. Less than 4 hours, li-ion is cheaper. ESS targets between 4 and 12 hours of storage as their niche to be cheaper than other technologies.
I’m sure costs will go down as production ramps up. These batteries are completely standardized, and thus very much subject to economies of scale in manufacturing and installation. By way of comparison, lithium batteries dropped 90% in price in a decade as production scaled.
You need elements that have more than one valance state. In the case of iron you are going from ferric 3+ state to ferrous 2+ state. You can use other elements like Mn Cr and V, vanadium has the most energy dropping from +5 to +2.
Loved the peanut butter and jelly analogy. As far as I know, the duration "limit" on ESS batteries is not a hard limit, it's just the limit of the product as it was packaged at the time. It's conceptually infinitely scalable by adding more and bigger tanks. I suspect that in the current market, the greatest demand is for batteries in the 4-8 hour range, and the demand for longer duration will come in a few years. The more urgent needs and hence revenue opportunities in the power markets today are intra-day load shifting, as well as absorption of excess energy when for example solar has maxed out the available grid transmission capacity and has to be dumped.
Man I have to say this video is amazing and amazing and amzaingly well-organized and informative!!
thanks so much @youngsupsong6802 -- we really appreciate the positive feedback.
According to a comparative study between VRFB and ICRFB this is the conclusion:
_The promise of redox flow batteries (RFBs) utilizing soluble redox couples, such as all vanadium ions as well as iron and chromium ions, is becoming increasingly recognized for large-scale energy storage of renewables such as wind and solar, owing to their unique advantages including scalability, intrinsic safety, and long cycle life. An ongoing question associated with these two RFBs is determining whether the vanadium redox flow battery (VRFB) or iron-chromium redox flow battery (ICRFB) is more suitable and competitive for large-scale energy storage. To address this concern, a comparative study has been conducted for the two types of battery based on their chargeedischarge performance, cycle performance, and capital cost. It is found that: i) the two batteries have similar energy efficiencies at high current densities; ii) the ICRFB exhibits a higher capacity decay rate than does the VRFB; and iii) the ICRFB is much less expensive in capital costs when operated at high power densities or at large capacities._
*Long life vanadium!*
Great content, beautiful voice. Keep up the great work
Thanks for watching
great but is this fulfill our current energy demand...
Whitehorse Yukon Canada has millions of tonnes of the highest purity iron in powdered magnetite form contained on the surface ready for an energy application.
... and so has LABRADOR IRON in pellet form, sitting in storage, ready for the asking !!
can ess take benefit from bob savinell design to get longer duration ?
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Lead are good but mebrane with liquide and air ground😂
Hi Guys, I need some insight here.
I'm working with large quarrying companies who are really feeling the effects of rising energy prices this year. I've researched many energy storage technologies to be used with solar and wind to reduce energy costs, but lithium prices are rising unsustainably.
Our first energy storage project would need a roughly 2MWh Li-ion battery storage system (BSS), but Li-ion only has a life cycle of about 3000 cycles at best. This BSS would only last about 8 years at that rate.
We would consider using another storage technology, such as iron flow, ammonia, or hydrogen, but we need a completely integrated system (not a research project).
Can anyone share their insights on currently available battery storage systems?
We did. we are doing Vanadium battery well and commerciaalized it already!
Get the lithium now and buy yourself 8 years. You may also be able to get payments/discounts from the utility to integrate load-shedding/grid stabilization uses out of the battery. In 8 years there should be a few different options.
GWH has done nothing except lose its stock value since its IPO. What a horrible buy! There must be something significantly flawed with its technology.
They got a bump when they got interest from Honeywell -- and it was pretty modest interest, cashwise. It seemed to validate their viability. But since that investment not a lot of good has happened.
Fillers 95%, actual content 5%... Wouldn't be surprised by any politics mentioned.
Until the energy is PORTABLE and can fit into a car like a TESLA to power that car or an airplane, this Iron Flow storage just CAN NOT COMPETE with what Lithium is doing right now.
Search nano flow cell. Its already in a car
We can make our transport infrastructure less centered around cars and develop public transport instead. Planes in the future may use biofuels and green hydrogen.
Sorry but you're so far off topic with these flow batteries. They are Not At All designed for mobility use, they are designed for grid storage only.
You know it is a horse manure idea if you explain it with peanut butter and jelly. Just saying.