A video for the record books! I was intrigued by how the brake discs are arranged on the Phantom, and as a former avionics guy, that ICS issue got my attention, but of course, the TA-4 flight was the main event! Loved the sound of the engine (and how it sounds different depending on whether you are in front, at the side, or in back), and was really having fun with the footage from the flight! The view from the gunsight was excellent! Much better than peeking over a shoulder or from the top of the helmet. Adding the footage from the ground after the touch & go's was great too. Watching the Skyhawk do its stuff is a separate joy from cockpit view, and just as important. The camera work was good too! Well worth the investment! (says the guy who didn't have to pay. 😃) As always, congrats to the team on a job well done!
The Skyhawks roll rate, and turn radius is off the charts. In combat it could hold its own against much larger and more powerful jets. A potant platform. Great to see it airborn, the plane is looking very smart.
That little TA is a hotrod. I see you got some good flyby vids this time. Those are the money shots. I don't know if you're filming handheld but if you are you might want to set up a tripod with a pan tilt head. Pan tilt heads come with an arm that lets you pan the camera smoothly from side to side and tilt it up and down. This is especially helpful when using the camera with the lens "zoomed in" because camera shake is a problem when you're shooting distant objects. When the lens is zoomed in small movements of the camera move the lens over a larger distance and can make it difficult to keep your subject "in frame". Camera movement is smoother when mounted on a tripod and with a long arm on the pan tilt head you can make finer smoother movements of the camera. Do a google search for pan tilt heads. Those flyby videos are really hard to come by and you have a golden opportunity to get some really rare footage of these classic aircraft in flight. As a videographer and fighter jet lover I really envy you!
2 common screwdrivers makes removing stators and rotors much easier. Stick the tip into the slots and twist. Also for the bolts in the backing plate just go around and brake them loose and then use a speedhandle to remove the bolts.
When you fill a tire the pressure will probably measure higher due to the adiabatic pressure changes…Once it cools could cause the pressure differential.
Chipping in my 2 cents here. If the problem is on the power generation circuit, it might be a failing power diode / bridge rectifier leg/branch. If so it might not be possible to see the defect using a regular miltimeter, as it only applies 5v across the measured componant. High power semiconductors often need to be tested under nominal operating load in situ, or using special measuring setup that applies significant voltage + current (simulated load). If the problem is on the measuring circuit, it looked like it was failing at the 20v mark, 80% of the scale. Wondering if the DC power measurment is sampled using a voltage devider (5 or 6 power resistors in series) ? If one of the power resistors have shorted it could give a false reading. I'm probably way off the mark though ! Making noise around a Phantom never fails to attract interest ! Listening in to the coms is a great addition to the video.
So cool. Thanks for the Video. It´s awesome to see how you teach and inspire the next Generation. Where else can you work on historic fighter jets. I´d love to help you guys. Unfortunately Germany is a bit too far away. Keep up the great work and thanks for the Videos.
Cart, definitely look at the voltage regulator. I assume you have the TO to show how to run the test, (isolate and ohm it out). Great to hear the MTNC (Money-To-Noise-Converter) on the TA4, especially as it turned in fron of the camera. I can almost smell the JP!
Smelled it, felt it (and got a little sandblasted too)! So far, she's one of the few things that has had enough airflow to get any wind noise past the wind screens on the mic. And yes, we do have the TO, so that'll be my job in the next few weeks.
Yo, that second to last rotor/stator, the guy laying them down had it right, you told him to flip it, so he did and now it’s backwards. Go back and watch video before you reassemble.
I’m totally confused…watched the video three times….twice you told them to flip the disc when they in fact had it correct. So unless you were intentionally doing that, you might wanna go back and watch the video because two of those discs are now not in the same orientation they were when they came off.
Good eye, caught that while editing as well. We'll be able to flip those ones around the right way. Nice part about filming that is we can figure out specifically which ones need to be flipped over.
It's simple boys, facing side down. Maybe teach to pull them out, stack em down SAME arm moves everytime and hold discussion until done. Back in the 80's my roommate and I would time our wheel changes including safety wiring.
That kid pulling the brakes out he pulled that one break out right and whoever told him to flip it around was incorrect so you need to check the order of how those brake plates were stacked whoever told him to turn it around was confused
@@DieselThunderAviationCan you put a chalk mark on each plate right before you remove it? Is that allowed? Wouldn’t that allow you to always know which side of each plate should face you when placing them back? Maybe a number mark. Then they for sure get back in the correct order and orientation. Is there a way to check them to ensure they are back correctly? Such as, how they fit next to each other? Or would you have to measure them with a micrometer? Each plate needs to make maximum surface contact with the one next to it, right? Or what is the concern with the order and orientation?
At 14:28 and at 15:28 it looks like you directed them to flip them incorrectly. 🙂 I counted 15 plates plus front and back plates…17 total pieces. But don’t take my word for it. 😄
The TA-4 video was awesome. Hearing the ATC comms was great! The left main gear was slow retracting a couple times. Also, and I think this is probably completely normal, when throttle is probably moved to cut-off, it looks like a bit of fuel leaks onto the ground. I’m guessing that’s where the fuel control system has to send some fuel overboard at cut-off? Not much, though. A cup or two, maybe? I wanted to hear the engine coast down to a stop, though. To hear the starter ratchet dogs begin the click (if they do) and the compressor blades chatter as it gets close to stopping turning. Do you have any of that video you could post as an extra? 😀
Glad you enjoyed it! Had no idea how busy our airfield was until going through the radio traffic from the recorder, lot of trainers up that day. Left main was a bit slow, but she did come up each time. The fuel venting is normal, and a lot of aircraft from that era do that on shutdown. The mechanical fuel pump is driven from the engine and when the throttle is placed into cutoff, the fuel has nowhere to go since it can't go into the combustors anymore. It's a pressure relief valve that opens to relieve the excess fuel pressure as the engine winds down. Newer aircraft still do this, though they route that fuel back to a fuel tank instead of ventilating it overboard. Didn't get the full shutdown for this one unfortunately since I was still walking back from where I had filmed the flight. I do have a video from where the other A-4 was run after her inspection and did catch the audio. If you hadn't seen it yet, it's in this video and is the last aircraft we ran that day: ruclips.net/video/sl1hVyqAAGU/видео.htmlsi=2YUR6vP80KuHHuY6
Nice video. I love to watch FNG's working on the jet. Will did a good job teaching the wheel removal, wonder where he learned that? You mentioned that you're having trouble with the ICS. It would be nice if you moved the wires to the left side to hook it up to the connection in the LT wheel well. There is a skimatic around that shows the wiring. Ask "crew chief" AL or Charlie if they know where it is. It shouldn't be to hard with the seat out. I really enjoyed the video of the skooter flying with the audio. The pilot view was amazing. It reminded me of the first time I flew out of EFD, but that's a story for another time.
I've asked and we'd have to pull several panels off of the left side fuselage and wing to put it back the way it was. Couple of those are stress panels too. For now it's going to stay the way it is. Glad you like the A-4 part!
@@DieselThunderAviation I don't remember those panels coming off. I was under the impression they disconnected the wires from the box and hooked up the bayonet receptacle. If you can make both out puts work you could record all communications except phlying. You need this to redtail to check my spelling.
Back when -60s had electric motors to move them around i hear it was easier. But leave it to us Crew chiefs ruin a good thing by having -60 races, and getting run over. One more thing, way easier to change a tire on a 16. Took longer to do the paperwork than to change the tire.
Ours still has the motor bolted on the rear axle, but no way to power it or control it. Heard from Crew Chief Al that racing the -60 was a lot of fun. On the tire, I'll take this over changing the F-100 tire. Lot of extra stuff involved on that aircraft!
I do rotate the chargers around, one thing compounding things is that most of the batteries have some age on them so those are a challenge to start with. Someone leaving the ignition on in the tug and running the battery completely dead doesn't help either 🙂
The TA-4's left side main gear didn't retract up all the way, any story on how it was noticed and resolved? Just cycled the gear again when 1 green was still it?
@@DieselThunderAviation It was very slow, or stuck for a time after the second touch and go as well, at 38:08. Looked like it eventually started moving again and retracted.
The aircraft ran for about 45 minutes, total flight time was around 20 minutes. They had to wait to takeoff due to several aircraft coming in to land. They stayed in the pattern and did one overhead break, 3 touch and go's, and the full stop landing. I'm not sure how much she burned for the flight, but we did fill her up prior to the flight, about 2,400 lbs (~350 gallons). Jet A is around $6 a gallon, so roughly $2,100 for fuel to fill her tank.
This was my first time experiencing this rig, flying the backseat. Absolutely one of the best days ive ever had!
That's awesome! Sounds like you had a great time!
A video for the record books! I was intrigued by how the brake discs are arranged on the Phantom, and as a former avionics guy, that ICS issue got my attention, but of course, the TA-4 flight was the main event! Loved the sound of the engine (and how it sounds different depending on whether you are in front, at the side, or in back), and was really having fun with the footage from the flight! The view from the gunsight was excellent! Much better than peeking over a shoulder or from the top of the helmet. Adding the footage from the ground after the touch & go's was great too. Watching the Skyhawk do its stuff is a separate joy from cockpit view, and just as important. The camera work was good too! Well worth the investment! (says the guy who didn't have to pay. 😃) As always, congrats to the team on a job well done!
Great to see the younger generation getting their hands in the learning process and learning from some good teachers 👍🏻👌🏻
So nice to be back in the Skyhawk
again. Thx..2000 hrs plus . “ Surfer”
The Skyhawks roll rate, and turn radius is off the charts. In combat it could hold its own against much larger and more powerful jets. A potant platform. Great to see it airborn, the plane is looking very smart.
Skyhawk cockpit segment came out awesome!
Sure did! Thanks Jack!
great job editing love to see another bird brought back to life
Very cool, thanks for sharing!
My pleasure, glad you enjoyed it!
Will be great to share the pattern with an F4. Keep at it. Thanks for the videos.
Indeed, will be an awesome day when its her turn to take the runway! Glad you're enjoying the videos!
That little TA is a hotrod. I see you got some good flyby vids this time. Those are the money shots. I don't know if you're filming handheld but if you are you might want to set up a tripod with a pan tilt head. Pan tilt heads come with an arm that lets you pan the camera smoothly from side to side and tilt it up and down. This is especially helpful when using the camera with the lens "zoomed in" because camera shake is a problem when you're shooting distant objects. When the lens is zoomed in small movements of the camera move the lens over a larger distance and can make it difficult to keep your subject "in frame". Camera movement is smoother when mounted on a tripod and with a long arm on the pan tilt head you can make finer smoother movements of the camera. Do a google search for pan tilt heads. Those flyby videos are really hard to come by and you have a golden opportunity to get some really rare footage of these classic aircraft in flight. As a videographer and fighter jet lover I really envy you!
I was great watching the TA-4 fly. Takes me back to my days in the Navy. Thanks guys. 👍🏻🫡🇺🇸⚓️
Thank you for your service, and glad you enjoyed it!
Great update on the A4 and nice editing of the video👍
Indeed. was great to see her fly! Glad you enjoyed it, was really nice to be able to add the radio traffic into it.
It was a great flight! Love seeing me in DT video!
Got quite a few of us in that shot! And sure was a great flight!
It was funny hearing the little Cessna taxi sounds as the Skyhawk taxied by 😂
Amazing video. The content is coming out really well! Great to watch!
2 common screwdrivers makes removing stators and rotors much easier. Stick the tip into the slots and twist. Also for the bolts in the backing plate just go around and brake them loose and then use a speedhandle to remove the bolts.
Good tip! Will have to try that out!
Formidable !
Great blast of the go gas 👍🏻😜🤩
When you fill a tire the pressure will probably measure higher due to the adiabatic pressure changes…Once it cools could cause the pressure differential.
Chipping in my 2 cents here. If the problem is on the power generation circuit, it might be a failing power diode / bridge rectifier leg/branch. If so it might not be possible to see the defect using a regular miltimeter, as it only applies 5v across the measured componant. High power semiconductors often need to be tested under nominal operating load in situ, or using special measuring setup that applies significant voltage + current (simulated load).
If the problem is on the measuring circuit, it looked like it was failing at the 20v mark, 80% of the scale. Wondering if the DC power measurment is sampled using a voltage devider (5 or 6 power resistors in series) ? If one of the power resistors have shorted it could give a false reading. I'm probably way off the mark though !
Making noise around a Phantom never fails to attract interest !
Listening in to the coms is a great addition to the video.
So cool. Thanks for the Video. It´s awesome to see how you teach and inspire the next Generation. Where else can you work on historic fighter jets. I´d love to help you guys. Unfortunately Germany is a bit too far away. Keep up the great work and thanks for the Videos.
Cart, definitely look at the voltage regulator. I assume you have the TO to show how to run the test, (isolate and ohm it out). Great to hear the MTNC (Money-To-Noise-Converter) on the TA4, especially as it turned in fron of the camera. I can almost smell the JP!
Smelled it, felt it (and got a little sandblasted too)! So far, she's one of the few things that has had enough airflow to get any wind noise past the wind screens on the mic. And yes, we do have the TO, so that'll be my job in the next few weeks.
Yo, that second to last rotor/stator, the guy laying them down had it right, you told him to flip it, so he did and now it’s backwards. Go back and watch video before you reassemble.
I’m totally confused…watched the video three times….twice you told them to flip the disc when they in fact had it correct. So unless you were intentionally doing that, you might wanna go back and watch the video because two of those discs are now not in the same orientation they were when they came off.
Came here to say the same thing.
Good eye, caught that while editing as well. We'll be able to flip those ones around the right way. Nice part about filming that is we can figure out specifically which ones need to be flipped over.
It's simple boys, facing side down. Maybe teach to pull them out, stack em down SAME arm moves everytime and hold discussion until done.
Back in the 80's my roommate and I would time our wheel changes including safety wiring.
The A4 looks a lot like an F86 from behind 👍🏻
Kinda does, just a bit taller!
All the other pilots are looking at the the A4 going I wanna be that pilot 👍🏻🤩👌🏻😎☝🏻
That kid pulling the brakes out he pulled that one break out right and whoever told him to flip it around was incorrect so you need to check the order of how those brake plates were stacked whoever told him to turn it around was confused
Yep, noticed that while editing this one. Thankfully since it was videoed, it's easy to know which ones!
@@DieselThunderAviationCan you put a chalk mark on each plate right before you remove it? Is that allowed? Wouldn’t that allow you to always know which side of each plate should face you when placing them back? Maybe a number mark. Then they for sure get back in the correct order and orientation.
Is there a way to check them to ensure they are back correctly? Such as, how they fit next to each other? Or would you have to measure them with a micrometer? Each plate needs to make maximum surface contact with the one next to it, right? Or what is the concern with the order and orientation?
At 14:28 and at 15:28 it looks like you directed them to flip them incorrectly. 🙂
I counted 15 plates plus front and back plates…17 total pieces. But don’t take my word for it. 😄
The TA-4 video was awesome. Hearing the ATC comms was great!
The left main gear was slow retracting a couple times.
Also, and I think this is probably completely normal, when throttle is probably moved to cut-off, it looks like a bit of fuel leaks onto the ground. I’m guessing that’s where the fuel control system has to send some fuel overboard at cut-off? Not much, though. A cup or two, maybe?
I wanted to hear the engine coast down to a stop, though. To hear the starter ratchet dogs begin the click (if they do) and the compressor blades chatter as it gets close to stopping turning. Do you have any of that video you could post as an extra? 😀
Glad you enjoyed it! Had no idea how busy our airfield was until going through the radio traffic from the recorder, lot of trainers up that day. Left main was a bit slow, but she did come up each time. The fuel venting is normal, and a lot of aircraft from that era do that on shutdown. The mechanical fuel pump is driven from the engine and when the throttle is placed into cutoff, the fuel has nowhere to go since it can't go into the combustors anymore. It's a pressure relief valve that opens to relieve the excess fuel pressure as the engine winds down. Newer aircraft still do this, though they route that fuel back to a fuel tank instead of ventilating it overboard. Didn't get the full shutdown for this one unfortunately since I was still walking back from where I had filmed the flight. I do have a video from where the other A-4 was run after her inspection and did catch the audio. If you hadn't seen it yet, it's in this video and is the last aircraft we ran that day: ruclips.net/video/sl1hVyqAAGU/видео.htmlsi=2YUR6vP80KuHHuY6
Nice video. I love to watch FNG's working on the jet. Will did a good job teaching the wheel removal, wonder where he learned that? You mentioned that you're having trouble with the ICS. It would be nice if you moved the wires to the left side to hook it up to the connection in the LT wheel well. There is a skimatic around that shows the wiring. Ask "crew chief" AL or Charlie if they know where it is. It shouldn't be to hard with the seat out. I really enjoyed the video of the skooter flying with the audio. The pilot view was amazing. It reminded me of the first time I flew out of EFD, but that's a story for another time.
Is the skimatic some sort of ski lift?
Just a little worrying when a mechanic misspells schematic.
I've asked and we'd have to pull several panels off of the left side fuselage and wing to put it back the way it was. Couple of those are stress panels too. For now it's going to stay the way it is. Glad you like the A-4 part!
@@DieselThunderAviation I don't remember those panels coming off. I was under the impression they disconnected the wires from the box and hooked up the bayonet receptacle. If you can make both out puts work you could record all communications except phlying. You need this to redtail to check my spelling.
Back when -60s had electric motors to move them around i hear it was easier. But leave it to us Crew chiefs ruin a good thing by having -60 races, and getting run over.
One more thing, way easier to change a tire on a 16. Took longer to do the paperwork than to change the tire.
Ours still has the motor bolted on the rear axle, but no way to power it or control it. Heard from Crew Chief Al that racing the -60 was a lot of fun. On the tire, I'll take this over changing the F-100 tire. Lot of extra stuff involved on that aircraft!
@DieselThunderAviation my dad changed tires on f84f's huns phantoms and vipers. He agreed 16s are the easiest
Can you keep battery minders or trickle chargers on the cart batteries?
I do rotate the chargers around, one thing compounding things is that most of the batteries have some age on them so those are a challenge to start with. Someone leaving the ignition on in the tug and running the battery completely dead doesn't help either 🙂
The guy at 14:20 ' no other way round ' was wrong.
The TA-4's left side main gear didn't retract up all the way, any story on how it was noticed and resolved? Just cycled the gear again when 1 green was still it?
Not sure, I had to go back and rewatch that as I hadn't noticed it before. Didn't happen again for the rest of the flight. Something I'll ask about.
@@DieselThunderAviation It was very slow, or stuck for a time after the second touch and go as well, at 38:08. Looked like it eventually started moving again and retracted.
Two questions. What was the total time of the flight and how much did the fuel cost for it?
The aircraft ran for about 45 minutes, total flight time was around 20 minutes. They had to wait to takeoff due to several aircraft coming in to land. They stayed in the pattern and did one overhead break, 3 touch and go's, and the full stop landing. I'm not sure how much she burned for the flight, but we did fill her up prior to the flight, about 2,400 lbs (~350 gallons). Jet A is around $6 a gallon, so roughly $2,100 for fuel to fill her tank.
@@DieselThunderAviation Cool, not crazy-expensive.
You guys spend as much time working on the ground equipment for the flying stuff…Just like in the real Air Force 😂
Crew Chief Al likes to say, "there's no air power, without ground power"!
Imagine being the pilot of that Cessna 172, and seeing a Skyhawk land, thinking ONE DAY THATS ME
What?..