Empathic Supernova Vs Cliff Fightback
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- Опубликовано: 24 дек 2024
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Have you experienced the Empathic Supernova? You may actually have released the Cliff Fightback instead. What is the difference and what is the Peace List? Time to find out.
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I’m so thankful for this explanatory video. Many empaths mistakenly think they’re going supernova just because they fight back or call narcs out with harsh judgment. There’s way more to being in supernova mode than just sounding like you’re badass. Super empaths don’t want to go dark and unleash the beast in them. It goes against the very fiber of what we’re made of. Supernova is an event(s) we're not proud of because we've "snapped" and are acting on a sheer primal instinct, hunting the hunter out of survival within ourselves, not because we're cornered.
❤️ it is an energy that surrounds us?
I think it’s what was happening to me it’s like now I’m trying to purge the anger bc it doesn’t serve me.
No, I am not ashamed of supernova event!!! It is the turning point, and I am forever grateful for it. I went supernova ONLY towards the narcissist. I am still me - the empath, but with boundaries (so super empath) towards all other humans with all their faults.
LOL - too many super nova’s on here. I’ll be the first to say that I stayed WAY TOO LONG! I was pushed to the cliff over and over again. The last time came the discard (by text by a 52-yr-old man) and then he was absolutely SHOCKED that I left the house before he returned home. So maybe I also escaped? IDK -- all I know is that HGs materials helped me stay the course! Thank you HG!
They think thier putting you under a scientific microscope. The " INFJ" looks at you under a scientific microscope. Yes maybe they do stay but at anycost they have to get the whole story and then they will hold them accountable. At any emotional abuse. We're pretty sturdy. I never see a video on holding the sick minded accountable.
Thanks HG. On Christmas eve 7 years ago, after shouting at me for two hours I shut down (ptsd response) and told the narc (father of my child) 'get out, I don't care if im wrong, go' I wasn't wrong but usually my emotional thinking would leave me in a state trying to figure out if I was. I ended it the next day. He started begging he said 'please don't give up on me' and 'can we be friends' I said no, not right now. He then went to war with me, taking me to court, using are child as a pawn. He knew that would deeply hurt me but I never give in. He gave me the silent treatment when he lost in court but I just accepted it, didn't bother him, I had to work around no communication and hope for the best at half term or when he didn't show up I'd find someone else to look after her without contacting him to tell him how's he's put me out. After two years of that he tried to hoover me around supporting are daughter, he could see I was on to him and what he was and he just left are lives without a word after 14 years. Seen his mug shot in the paper last year looking a state, he is such a pitiful thing. I pray he stays gone but if he comes back I will never acknowledge him or say one word.
This is impressive you are a Wonder Woman you give me inspiration to what I need to do
@@raddb5696 it was when I thought 'I don't care if I'm wrong' that was turning point. I wanted to share because I know when your a parent it's hard cos you see them hurting your child to get at you but I had to accept that and give my daughter extra love and care. You can't back down because in the end the children will always hurt whatever you do. Im glad my share helped you in your situation ❤
@@mrsmallpinky9041 No, I didn't get ptsd from him shouting at me for two hours. I got it from being with him from the age of 19 and other things that was nothing to do with him, he hadn't shouted at me like that for a long time but he obviously couldn't control his rage and that was his undoing. But thank you for your comment :D.
You should really be proud of yourself and keep moving forward.
How I wish I had found you years ago. Your videos are invaluable.
We all do
I am an empath and we don't have to go supernova to get our point across. My narcissist had no chance to stand against me I am the Scorpio. I really loved this person but was so tired of the hurt , pain and devaluation he kept creating. Once I had enough it it was epic what I said to him. I gave him every chance to work on himself, which we all know does absolutely nothing for these emotionally sick people. We don't turn around it was over finally. I am free. I thank God everyday!
As much as it pains me , and cathartic to hear this, all you say resonates with how my wife left me over 11 years ago, destroying our family, and I ended up with psychosis, and 11 years on I am all but healed, but a shadow of who I was. The interaction between us was so similar to your scenario and I think I ended up having this cliff fight back. The main blessing that came from it was my utter devotion to the Lord Jesus Christ , as I sensed His Presence with me every single second of the hell I went through.
Isn’t God good? It’s so good to know that no matter where we are, what we’ve suffered, what wounds we carry or what scars we have, one day we will be healed. I still listen to praise music when the shadows intrude, but I’m so so so much better. Hang in there. ❤🙏❤️
And the super Nova is the the most freeing event . Teeth for tooth . Claw for claw. And when it's done . It's DONE. Thank you ULTRA. Truly an awakening. To our own Real Force. ⛽
Lol. Wrong.
There was no tooth for tooth battle for me. We weren’t even arguing at the time. She said something I knew for a fact was another lie. Calmly (Well, Semi-calmly. Lol)told her there will be no more manipulating me. Do what you want. I can hurt your feelings way worse than you can hurt mine. Because you cant hurt me at all. Said a few more things. She went to bed crying without saying a word. She still lives here. Married 20 years and in a few mins I went from being mentally abused basically, (I dont feel abused or victimized though)to almost instant unbreakable boundaries and incapable of being hurt. Still living here, she still tries. I can see the lies before they finish leaving her mouth. I can see. The very thing that makes them strong is their Kryptonite as well. Make them feel those emotions the blocked out. Worse than death to them. My supposed friend. Who took advantage of “situation” wont even come near me. Hes more grandiose. He tried to weasel back in twice. The second took about 3 sentences and he was done. Been about 5 months now. Since I heard from him. I think this is one difference. As HG said, you surprise yourself that you did that. I wasn’t surprised. It was like I suddenly learned something, that I already have always known. It would be great if anyone could verify what that was. Im definitely not the same person. Went through the whole talking shit to everyone about me. I know shes said something, as soon as I look at them. I just laugh at the ridiculousness and move along. Dont need them, and dont want them if they actually believe her. Almost like full emotion control. Except, happy crying. That gets me every time. Lol
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@@91GT347 Right on! Enough is enough!
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Thank you HG Tudor, you've been an immense help in my understanding journey.
My ex narc put me in a hospital (mental) after my super nova event. I snapped and I scared myself. I won’t go into all of those details but he went straight to his mama and she called the police. I held my hands out, ready to be taken in but instead they took me to this hospital. It was in that 24 hours I understood what a narcissist was and where I had to make a decision to even move out of town thousands of miles from him. This began my trek of recovery and it was the hardest thing I’ve ever done. I did all of the things that you are mentioning and I was so determined to fix the relationship but I see now exactly what was going on. I feel sorry for his wife now. Can’t imagine that life.
The narcissist may back off from a cliff fight back, but you can be sure they're going to punish you for having the nerve to do so.
Day 14 of silent treatment 🙄
I was smeared for YEARS before he finally capitulated and admitted defeat.
Mine disengaged with me almost immediately after I called him out … he tried at first to gaslight and blame shift … I stood my ground and told him to decide if he wanted a relationship with me or not !!
He immediately ended it.
He’s been silent ever since … so have I. That was over 5 months ago.
20 years man... This is wicked! Thanks HG Tudor!! God Bless!!!
HG, I believe I am experiencing a supernova event currently. I have disassociative identity disorder and have been in a 13 year relationship with an ultra to mid range covert malignant narcissist. He's alienated my daughter, gaslit and triangulated me, discarded me several times, however , I have now physically built a house with him near the Canadian border and a business that he is using in my name through 3rd party taxation to pay the bills. His final discard has me now a month and a half of stonewalling, I've been trapped in the loft, getting an attorney to take him to civil court for disability exploitation and federal identity theft. I am not stopping. I came from a background with SRA, and am an empath and artist through and through. I have broken the trauma bond and accepted his rejection.
I would not even call it his rejection. I would call it a gift from God...freedom from hateful abusers....is a 🎁 gift.
That’s very informative as I have often wondered what that kind of situation was. I’m no SuperNova (I’m not displeased with that outcome either). It does feel like being pushed to the point of no return and it also feels deliberate. Like living in a war zone. Exhausting.
Such a crazy life experience, like you stated not many ways for this to play out. Finally choose the right path of peace, but you don't know day in day out what each will bring.
I don’t know if I’m a supernova. But I know we were in a battle of wills for 10 years. Each time I stood up for myself he’d back off, then come back playing nice to reel me back in. I was younger and didn’t know any better. But the last time he came for me he went too far. I definitely felt shocked that he would stoop so low and I felt backed in a corner. However, I also felt confident I could win the battle. I just had to choose myself over him. It wasn’t difficult because he had positioned himself as my enemy based on his behavior. I decided I’m going for the jugular and that’s exactly what I did. The battle lasted almost 2 years. But, I blew up his life and sent him running with his tail between his legs. I ain’t had to deal with him in over 10 years. I can now spot a narcissist quickly and I know exactly how to treat them. I think the key is self esteem, experience, and a fighting spirit. I don’t need a title.
Definitely experienced this. Lead to 2 weeks of peace before the next round of devaluations.
Yep, it was this. Narc co-worker. It was frenzied, loud, caustic, and completely out of character. It left me trembling and spent. There was no savoring of any victory however. There was shame and embarrassment for losing control. I did not recognize myself. That is not who I want to be. I felt I had lowered myself to his level. He withdrew from me in astonishment, told everybody else how badly I had treated him, yet benign actions to my face. (Pitiful, cowardly, sniveling MMR)
Never again. My learning here has taught me that ignoring him is far more effective. Let him roll in the mud like the pig that he is. That behavior is beneath me.
Same thing happened to me with my supervisor. I was shocked at myself, but I was on the verge of a nervous breakdown because of her abuse.
@@triplejmom7826 same about 22 years ago.
Regional manager for me, I aged 10 years within that year and a half with the devil. I was on a constant treadmill of preparation until she tried to set me up with HR . They are vile sludge. Your experience and the shame you felt, I get totally . When I read some comments :they are bragging ….. broken souls don’t brag. Be kind to you 🧡
Enough is enough "am done !!! ", you have to do what you have to do.
Yes! I have such deep regret for having tried so long to fight a hopeless battle. In hindsight, it is so readily apparent that he had zero interest in having a mutually loving relationship. His sole desire was to do what he wanted, when he wanted. Period.
There a difference between giving up, and knowing when you've had enough.
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@@Paula-oo1ko boundaries
Thx HG for the clarification of the cliff fightback... I was waiting for this video since i watched your video about empathic supernova event... Now I'm sure i have gone supernova because in the early stage of the devaluation, before the dark one, specifically in the stranger zone i discarded the narcissist without feeling the need to make the harsh fight against him, only wounding him by not allowing him to control me and instinctively giving him challenge fuel by mirroring some of his behaviors, as giving him back silent treatment for example... Thx again ❤️
@@thegameoflife2387 so true 💖
We give silence, not silent treatment. Huge difference
I stayed to long, when I walked away the narcissist keep trying, I gave no attention to him. He lost me that is how I won while he lost. I now can see these selfish monsters and I can out wit them everytime. When you realize these self serving monsters are of no importance you win.
Hahaha 😂😂😂. I literally use the words, with a blank expression and monotone voice, “get off my lawn.” 🤣🤣🤣
Thank you for the clarification. I no longer feel bad for taking such extreme actions. I've been fighting every tank sent to my lawn for a year and a half now. I believe those tanks are finally running out of gas. Thank GOD.
You are great . You make me laugh . Thank u everyday
After listening to ur vids for 2 days, I have made every mistake you speak about.
Thought I was a supernova too. Mistakes from NC and even causing him hoovering bc of my stupidity. Thank God I did the GOSO correct and do maintenance to keep sharp w my recovery.
All the education I've received has been great but I have been misguided by so many teachers and counselors.
Thank you for your incredible knowledge HG.
You helped straighten me out big time.
He pushed me too far! I had always given in, my peace list was very long. I would always try to keep the peace. Until the day he pushed me too far. I knew exactly what was going and what he was trying to do to me. I wasn’t even close to the cliff edge. But I knew that’s where he was trying to push me. This time It was nothing like I had done before. He tried every trick he had in his Narc bag. I deflected each and every one. From pitiful cry baby, to the he didn’t understand or why was I so upset. I flung every weapon I had and he was speechless. I had to wait 10 days before I could make my escape. He would try to hover me, gaslight me and I would just stare at him. He lost complete control of me and he couldn’t get it back.
I walked out the door to freedom 3 months ago and haven’t been back! I promised him when or if I had to see him again he would not like the person he would encounter. That pitiful victim is no more
Supernova, whatever that is, and cliff fight back etc., are a waste of time. Any type of acrimony will only reinforce narcissism. If you really want to be a bad ass, go no contact and strive for goodness and purpose and surround yourself with likeminded people. Then, pray for the narcissist, because it will take a miracle to help them change.
Supernova is going no contact with total indifference wether u have moved out or not
HG, thank you for helping me understand me.
Thank you.
Guys, he is so right. It's not something you learn or aware of.
I only realized what happened yesterday when I stumbled upon one of this supernova videos. I got chills as he explained step by step without missing a beat about what had taken place.
It starts when you finally understand that you're dealing with someone who is not 'normal'.
Only then will the devaluation not affect you, then you'll see an increase in it because you've stopped entertaining it.
And that truth will affirm and validate you, increasing your self worth tremendously.
Gaining the validation is a huge step because you'll know you're not the problem and your primal instincts will go to fight not flight as he said. The ones who leave at this stage have not evolved to the nova stage.
I started journaling. He became my project.
They'll sense a shift.
But they won't be able to understand.
They'll go back to love bomb.
At this stage, every pattern that were invisible before, stare at you. (You'll have a laugh)
The more you can predict them the more your confidence grows and theirs dwindle. They won't understand why now it's them chasing so much.
Revenge will pop up in your mind, but your emphathy which dimmed but did not die, won't allow you to. The goodbye that I did was the power I attained..Silence. They crumble before you. Even check themselves into a hospital.
It's a pity ful sight to think that this person was once your world. Healing light and love to anyone who got there reality messed with🙏❤️
Same here!! Once I understood after 30 years (yes, 30!) It was supernova (didn’t know the term back then).
Two and a half years of silence and total total total indifference.
you know when the supernova event has occurred. The narc discards and destroys any chance of returning.
true!
A few cliff fight backs until....... the supernova. The supernova came with sweet relief. Every emotion, every disengagement, every manipulation, every lie! Thrawt back onto the narcissist with a celerity akin to the explosion of a star, hence the name supernova and from that the narcissists victim is reborn into something greater!!
I was 1 of those empaths that honestly thought she was a super. I wanted that ego boost so bad!
But I took your detector test, which I do trust you, and got majority Standard and majority Carrier.
BUT BUT BUT!!!
I still believe I have a really low BS limit.
I knew my ex/narc for a couple yrs before we got an apartment together. THEN all the BS started-- once we moved in.
I like to believe I stand my ground. I found it unacceptable that his LOUD (even with earplugs in) snoring disrupted my sleep. I saw a HUGE red flag and suggested we just be friends.
So He went back to his old place/girl, but still paid his share of the rent (which was weird). It didn't really bother me that he was gone. I can really reign in my emotional thinking when blatant BS is occurring.
Well... Thanksgiving was coming and **i** hoovered him back!
Because I really missed great sex and the last thing I wanted was to be alone during the holidays AGAIN. (that darn emotional thinking) so he moved back in (I had not figured out he was a mid ranger narc yet).
That only lasted about 6 months. At which point I had to DRAW A LINE IN THE SAND.
Through text, he TRIED to start an asinine fight with me. I saw right through it and did not play his game or get emotional at all. I also was *nowhere* near "the cliff".
I stood my ground and when I came home, I discovered him gone and this time he NEVER came back. I'm sure he loved that I got evicted because the rent was too much for just me.
So... I guess that means (since your test didn't pin me as a Super) that I have helped you discover a NEW class of empath... ME! Lol.
Wasn't me standing my ground and him disengaging for good (moved out, only took his computer, left most of his clothes and also all the furniture he just bought) signs of a SUPERNOVA event?! It sound like it to me. Ok, thx for listening. Best wishes
Ps. I actually got NO super empath points on my evaluation.
This is not nice to deal with. I really don't like this. I never signed up for this.
Feel the same way ....
I hear ya!
This hits hard ... I never want to feel this or do it ever again ..
I began starting arguments with the last narcissist for about two years or so about certain things he did and was doing and there were plenty of fights and abuse escalated. I was trying to get rid of him. He didn't leave, he went away to 'work' and returned. I brought up certain things he did almost every day and slowly stopped doing certain things for him. I finally had it and the anger began to build. I got very angry and said many things, including that I was fed up and tired of his drama, chaos, bad behavior towards me and that I was no longer interested. He left for outside the city. Less than two weeks after I ended it with the narc. There was no going back. 4 years of hell was enough. Probably this would be applicable to something in relation to the cliff fightback scenario. It was going to happen.
There will never be any form of closure, when with a narcissist. I separated, and that gave me the exit stage left. I moved onward in the direction We were supposed to go together. He wanted a to come back but, would not give an inch, so I said, why would I want to come back to that. He threatened to divorce me, but never did. He took on a new partner, telling everyone that he divorced me. After he moved in with another woman, he took her in place of me to my vacation, honeymoon place. Not long after, he passed on to cancer. And I was notified that Social Security had investigated and told him, he was living in bigamy, that his marriage wasn't legal. Just like I told him when he tried to fool me. It felt like I got my Super Nova as Social Security knew we were still legally married and notified me. His death certificate a year later showed her as his partner, not wife.
I wish for more videos on these topics - they are important elements of the experience with narcissists
If you say it's an event it makes sense otherwise it will be an oxymoron. An empathetic person should not be permanent in that state.
Oh yes, he/she should. But only towards the narcissist. That is the supernova.
An Empath has empathy. Some psychologists dispute empathy as it's less understood than those with mental health issues and emotional disorders. Anyone with empathy can turn supernova, supernova is when you become a temporary sociopath, cutting all emotion from the Narc but still retaining empathy for those outside Narc. Tbh those without empathy could Niether understand it or explain it.
I told him in a letter I didn't want him to come back, tired of the revolving door, not friends on any of his fb accounts or allowed to have phone number, he basically killed a 30 yr friendship- he may have found it by now, had no idea he could be so cruel and heartless
Yeah some guys are good at hiding there true selves that's why I'm careful with new people. Always lie in the beginning to protect your privacy.
If you have ever worked with any narcissists you will know there behavior is always going to be out of place.
They make my anxiety go way up through the roof and i start remembering those horror movies like Friday the 13th. I'm glad i have this instinct and know how to follow it now.
Yes the fight is what earned us the badge of a super nova, u should respect that.
I’m narcissistic and I’m empathic but the empathic is of the greater. My narcissism is intermittent. I start out subtle explaining how certain behaviors/patterns make me feel. Don’t get the message, boundaries still being crossed, I need to bring that shit to the light like GE for the narc to see me and then not see me when I GOSO. If the respect is not there I know I’m with the wrong partner.
Wow! I feel empowered after listening to a couple empathic supernova videos. Recently I had a empathic supernova vs the cliff fight back situation that resulted in me moving out. I experienced a few with this narc. I take a lot & then I lose my shit. I keep my hands to myself, but my mouth is reckless. The narc knows I was abused by another narc & when I lash out in a cliff fight moment, they tell me I'm abusive for yelling at them. I honestly try not to go there, bc I am afraid of getting shoved or hit, but that "enough is enough" takes over after a while. These fights made the narc feel justified in their behavior. My words provoked them to become physical is where the conversation always ended. No accountability & no resolution EVER, just "well you're abusive too".
Still not sure which I did, but when I finally snapped (took a few years before I did), I just kept hammering away at him. He'd ask "why are you so mean to me?". It feels more like "winning" a series of battles, coming to a stale mate, each returning to their corner to gather ammo. A benign hoover (sneak attack) and another battle begins. Since the initial one, it hasn't stopped.
Oh, YES!
You did a “cliff fight back”…
Going “Supernova” signals the beginning of the end. Going complete no contact is a good indicator of going “Supernova”.
The ordeal of escaping a narcissist, traumatized and aged me. It scrambles you into hypervigilance you are never unscathed. The narcissist will choose younger more vulnerable victims and be even more ruthless. It is no Tyler Perry movie. Who wants to date Dru Peterson. Arrogant until the last breath runs thought their shark gils. They will just stink from a different wind direction next time. It's still a small comfort when they fall in their own trap ment for you.
Very clever analysis. I’ve stood on that cliff.
There's been lots of cops involved and he knows I'm not afraid of him. Drives his control freakishness crazy
I don’t like arguing and I like to accept that we are all flawed and have some stuff to deal with, so no, I have never even recognized the true beginning of devaluation until later when I leave or realize it’s time to go. But go I do when certain crazy making stuff happens because now I know only very toxic people do these things.
HG dude every time i watch any of your videos i literally get fucking chills and goosebumps all over my fucking body I can not even put into words how fucking spot on this is... I have lived this illusion for 11 years with my covert narc wife (I know you dont like that term maybe she would be midrange she does this unconsciously because after 11 years if she cant understand her maladaptive behaviors she must be doing it unconsciously right?) thank you for all your FREE knowledge on narcs I have learned more here in the last week then i have everywhere else for 8 months
Supernova is not to explode, but to say enough is enough AND stand your ground forever
I'm a little freaked out by how closely this resembles the process I went through to get away.
Well, that got me thinking for a moment but....it was a Supernova allright. I was not in the brink of collapse, although my initial handling was patience and will to approach and talk. But as soon as I had good reason to assume I was in something toxic, a cul de sac ,lured with lies, it was like a detonation.
Trying to "work things out" with a malignant narcissist almost killed me.
This grandiose narcissist makes narcissists sound INVINCIBLE..like these narcissists can't be destroyed or defeated
Yes. The narcissism at play. It is portraying emotions as a liability or weakness. But, emotions are not a weakness. They can make you VULNERABLE without awareness of what you are dealing with and who you are in the case of an empath, but definitely not weak. It takes a great deal of inner fortitude to sustain and manage emotions when dealing with narcissism and narcissistic behaviors, especially for long periods of time. What is needed is education coupled with techniques and you have a very capable person. Warriors are not born. They have to study and practice to become skilled fighters.
All of them can be defeated and destroyed.
@@Naallaa timing is everything I normally wait until I get the first smirk been there dumped immediately so they know exactly why they make conscious decisions they know what they're doing
Wishful thinking on his part
When I listen these videos about them that's how I feel sometimes ...
I don't know if I went supernova or it was clifftop. I'm an INFP so I have really high tolerance levels and forgive a lot before my boundaries are overstepped, but then it's stone cold. I think there were a few clifftops before I was done but the last time I saw him it was polite and friendly but cold, and I chose to walk cheerily away because I was done. A lot of the time I knew he was lying etc and I calmly just let him get on with it because I couldn't be bothered with the drama. When I eventually called him out I didn't bother to bring up a lot of the things he didn't know that I know are BS. I mean what difference was it going to make to tell him he was a lying *rse, he ready knew that. So I let him have his little piece of perceived victory. But I did go into collapse after a couple of other things in my life sucked too and I still feel like I'm traumatised by the relationship and never want another one. But I've also realised I'm aspec so a lot of my responses to the relationship were BS too. Narc relationships are definitely complicated but they sure as hell make you reassess yourself. I'm kind of grateful to my narc and I still feel sorry for the fact that he's a sad man who just keeps living his miserable little life but he's not my problem anymore:)
Thank You 😎 . You got it right HG Ultra ✨
Nora Burns, Hope you are not with a narcissist 😈!! cause you are too pretty!
@@lioydwilliams1850 No I'm not ?🤔. . Ultra Tudor Gave Me Some Great Advice Lloyd 😂 . Now I listen to HG for fun 👼 .. so when I can just listen that's awesome well according to Me 🔓.. I'm actually doing Okay 🍿 😂 ..
You're right about one thing, the supernova is an event. In my case, it lasted YEARS. I can go forever if needed. No illness, no breakdown, no collapse. Not by me, anyway. Lol.
HG, I believe my supernova came after the cliff fighting. After all I didn’t know a lot about narcissism - except dor the overt grandiose in ur face. But knew nothing about coverts. So a lot of cliff fighting over 30 years. But when I understood (by coincidence) that there is something called coverts narcissists and that he was it - supernova came. Sustained forever change. He still live in denial
I am constantly and ongoing fascinated and stunned how precisely all of your analyses, descriptions of patterns of behavior and situations are ! - I can only imagine that apart from a high iq, a pristine clarity in thinking, analysing and processing there must have been years of observing, breaking down human interactions and behavior patterns and studying those processes, dynamics and the drivers in human nature that underly those - and which is of extreme value: you possess the ability to reflect your own psychological system, your instincts and motivation - while non-aware narcs simply don't !.....and I suppose: there must have been many, many victims you have been "breaking down".....taken apart.....over the edge, the cliff, into the abbyss.....do you like your "souls" as soft as wax - for breakfast ?....and at times you prefer to savor a fuel liquor - thick and rich in aroma derived from "bitter-sweet and ripe orang...äh emotions" harvested from those wild sweeping trees of pain which you cultiviate in your dark and twisted gardens......you are a true master of your craft - or do we say it's art ?......
When the devaluation began, I subtle warned him. Useless. In his mind I was a sheep, a puppet on his strings.
Okay, so lets get along. I changed to a player, an actress and meanwhile got my full strengh observing him thinking he esd dominant and controlling. Then leaving him suddenly. My answer to his ' but I love you' was: 'You are utterly wrong bc you even don't have an idea, who I am and who I was'. So he asked if it all was a fake and I said 'you know it the best, dont you?'
This makes so much sense.
Thank you for the Cliff fightback video. I never went cliff fightback. : ( I wish I had.
Welcome HG
I may have not gone supernova but I do know that I mirrored what was given and I took it cold with less emotions. Now is when I find myself feeling my empathy wanting to come back bc what was done to me isn’t about me it’s about them. I love me more than anyone else
I suspect that due to the perfect information of HG Tudor, victims are using the Super Nova more often since they can find out they are dealing with a narcissist.
I told my narc, ‘PLEASE leave me alone. And let’s call this a draw. Shall we shake on it, my little demon? 😘’ And predictably he blocked me immediately as a last ditch attempt to regain control and I of course returned the favour. No love lost.
The peace list has its limits too. I am a peaceful person and I was not going to let it continue until I was depleted. I asked very politely 3x’s to leave me out of their mess. I told her I could see both sides and where they are both right and wrong and should just sit down and talk it through but nooooooo she had to continue her triangulation tactic trying to make me make her feel better ...... it was when she said “ everything I’ve ever done was for you kids!!!” 🙄🙄🙄 that’s when it happened, it all clicked, EVERYTHING was right in front of my eyes, all the years of bs with her histrionic fbs. I couldn’t stop myself... all the things I had held back for decades came out and in a rapid fire staccato. She called me a liar and amped up the histrionics and that’s when he came in.... thought I was killing her or at least bringing on a stroke or MI. It didn’t matter that he was threatening me with physical violence she continued with her pitiful act and I continued with my truths until he forced me out of the house. I couldn’t look at her the same ever again, I can’t unsee or unfeel the hatred rolling off of her in waves. You see she wanted me to continue with the cognitive dissonance and remain her “friend” wtf??? I was your child and you sacrificed me for the last time. It was their fight and I didn’t want any part of it yet it helped to unite them 😂🤣😂 it’s really to funny. It was a shock to all of us the day of my supernova and I’m ever so grateful it happened. Thank you very much HG for all that you share. I agree some folks might be wrong about what “supernova “ is all about but not me. I am stronger because of it and know. 😌❤️💪🏼
I tried to fight back on cliff after cliff... Unfortunately each time I was thrown into cliff :(
I always thought I was strong enough to take a fall.... Unfortunately after last cliff fall I was viciously attacked and left to die.... 23 years later I got up.... Now I wonder whether I am narcisstic to seek revenge of revenge. Revenge is quite simple... Just make fun of her ageing and her stupid primary supply :)
My ex would push me to this point in order to initiate a "reset" or respite period.
HG I am a super empath supernova I am a strong Warrior and God 💪my narcissist never had a chance to devour me when he seen who i was he walked away, because he's seeing a side of me that he's never seen in 24 years👺
No, you are not a supernova.
@@hgtudor-theultra lol I'd love to have a discussion about all the aspects of my relationship as I may also be a narcissist but with empathic traits ... or the other way around, and he may be too ... very confused
Either you’re misguided and don’t see the sadness in spending 24 years wasting your time fighting with a narcissist OR this is what you tell yourself to feel better every time you think about his escape.
Went supernova. Had 2 understand. My Hawk Spirit. Prophetic. Godly love had 2 show me the demon spirit behind him. And I found my answer. And I left.
HG where did find this super Nova thing😂.... now everybody is going super nova 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
I did this today.. It was so ugly and became the bad guy and he became the "victim"
Oh so empathic ppl are not even petty. You started it...with experience I know if I don't clap back shit might go to far with some. I have boundaries, alot 🤣I tell ppl I'm nice not stupid
I was standing on a real cliff high above the sea.It was the last trip.
Is it common for borh outcomes to occur? The narcissist to slip away and for the empath to brewk down?
After all my sisters attempts didnt work and i kept fighting for my nieces while eventually rejecting her, the silemt treatment became nonstop and ii ultimately had a break down
THIS WAS A CRAZY CRAZYYYY EVENT that I tried withholding. I think I cliffed hanged and starved off karma for THAT embarrassment at that time.
There was going to be no devaluation stage for me it was no contact right from the timing was impeccable I took control of the narrative I established absolutely no contact whatsoever
2 months into the relationship with a full spectrum malignant narc, I blew up and went no contact. I was hooverd through random numbers for weeks but I kept no contact.
So perfect. Thank u.
Please more videos about this particular topic ❤️
I trolled the shite out of my covert narc. Drove him to stalking which he became obsessed over everyday, not even going to work. He shows up like every morning met with my moving truck. Devastation has set in
GiveThisManAnAwardNow
Thank you
Who needs to go all supernova? Isn't fighting back and escaping good enough?
Indeed.
Logic is the best weapon. I feel I can be killed by facing evil with my brain. He surely gets tired of feeling cornered and attacks phisically and death threats at this point. Confronting with truth needs courage for you can be killed by the coward.
Sometimes is easier to back off since standing for truth makes me a target and you can be killed. It may sound like too much but this is the situation for some of us.
Lol 😂 I cut him off in bed three weeks before I discarded the narcissist. After he forgot my birthday and ignored me on thanksgiving. I left him on December the 3rd 2020 . And no contact after December 14th as he watched me get on a air plane 1,000’s of miles away with big fake tears in his old narcissist eyes . I’m am peaceful now. But he’s still hovering my doctor. He’s a mess now which is what he deserves to suffer . May he suffer long time .
Empaths may not be war like, but we are efficient as hell under pressure. Your kind has made us that way. We are also resourceful as we felt we had to please your kind.Once we get a real wiff of what you are about, we unleash the inner tactition and put your bs all over social media.Silence of the lambs, dont make me hurt you dog, buffalo bill. We will go ham 6 ways to Sunday to be rid of you for good. A real empath knows it isn't even good for the abuser to be allowed to hurt another, it's bad them as well. Escape an get the abuser fired from law enforcement. That was a public service. Your welcome. Moral: be kind and fair with people, even if it can do nothing for you. Some of them will remember you and help you in time of need. Super empaths know when to get out of the way and let the universe hit the narcissist with a big ole karmic cow patty right to the face. No more corrupt vice weasel.
How THIS GUY Hitting every button thought I tried and experienced.
Is it like Melanie Griffith 'Pacific Heights'? Hope so.
a super empath is simply an empath who has a deep awareness of self and worth and what you call a “supernova” episode is an affirmation of one's own limits and a sharp, sharp stop. Since you are 10 year olds every now and then you have to kick your butt. When we know who we are, we don't wait to be destroyed before acting.
What if be starts having fantasies about torturing the narcissist? I'm becoming sadist
It’s Normal. You’re being abused. As long as you don’t act upon your fantasies of harming them. You need to get away from that person ASAP.
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Not everyone responds to abuse the same way. Therefore, the safe thing to do is to LEAVE before a “supernova event”.
She just needs to LEAVE and find a peaceful place to heal.
Having fantasies about harming the abuser means that “the trash can is full”. Fed up. “Supernova events”.... It wastes and drains ENERGY!!!
Supernova event is also fuel for the narcissist. All the fancy “fireworks”. 😒Supernova is an output of energy that you will need for yourself, your healing and your own well being.
Crime passionel comes to mind.
I used the peace mode a lot I'd always back down as I found it easier but towards the end I did feel I was on the edge of something, my head had gone and there was no turning back I fought for my sanity and the battle was not a picnic...they make you sound like them as he taunted and provoked you end up after having too much blasted and sounding exactly like them I'm an empath not sure which one I am tho I feel that I am
It's only lately I've found out about a narcissist not alone empath and now I feel after finding out those things that I don't live in a real entity, it's mad I just thought people were people and nothing more didn't know there was a name to a certain human being only good is good bad is bad... Shocked to be fair
He backed down I walked away and had him removed, I feel like a surviour yet I ended up in therapy I felt weak but that battle I know that I survived
But I'm glad to listen to you Tudor because it's coming from the horses mouth... I'm just wondering if he knows himself that he's a narcissist, I mean does he know?
Can anyone translate in spanish , "cliff fightback" please📢
What might be helpful here in the many valuable distinctions necessary in understanding NARC’s and relating with empaths....... take out the consideration and experience that comes from issues coming to divorce proceedings..... then its much cleaner to understand the difference in how such interactions and behaviors are then labeled. The aforementioned folks involved with issues leading to and around divorce are more likely struggling with issues around maturity and development and then come to defend themselves while labeling others from a wholly dysfunctional quality of perspective. The lack of maturity does nothing toward the capacity nor appropriate responses necessary in conflict within adult relationships (read marriage).... then we can more clearly recognize and relate with skills necessary for actual relations. Narcissism , empathic states and/or supernova “collapse” are pretty heavy terms of identification to be volleying around when peoples challenges, conflicts and concerns are still so dysfunctional can only add to the difficulties and destruction. Choose ones labels carefully folks.... casually taking perceptions of people and behavior to such pathological extremes would likely have impacts these same individuals are likely not prepared to take responsibility with.
Wow yeah mine made me look like a damn psychopath and I had to and I still am until I win myself back.
I got this information just in time the universe was on my side I knew what I was dealing with I went to war with the very first smirk the very first time I was put on punishment mode she attempted to withhold sex from me her life took a downward spiral from there I was vicious and she knows why she gave me the smirk she was discarded within one minute of it so there was absolutely no confusion
I am a fighter and in cliffedge face situation can be formidable but it takes much for me to behave in this manner x
I'm a complete empath I don't care what you say I got the knowledge just in time I knew exactly what I was dealing with I waited patiently for the first narcissistic smirk the first time shida valued me attempted to put me on punishment mode by withholding sex that backfired in her face so many times over I temporarily became narcissistic I had absolutely no mercy on her she was trashed 50 different ways til Sunday I took pleasure in doing it being an empath I feel slightly guilty about it but who cares she wasn't planning on having any mercy on me the truth came out in the end so I turned the tables I level the playing field we can come out of these relationships with dignity and self-respect and a little bit of satisfaction I was able to smirk at her she didn't like that
Narcs are weak paper 📝 hands 🙌 empaths have diamond 💎 hands 🙌 say no to FUD
A cliff fightback sounds like I great dose of fuel for most narcissists I know.
She never seen it coming 34 days later I smoked her again
This is truth it almost killed me in court to hurt him.but he was trying to destroy me