Don’t fall into the trap of Cain. He conducted his sacrifices in a transactional manner believing that because he offered up X amount of goods, it would suffice to please God. Abel gave up what was most valuable to himself with faith that it was for the greater good. Thus, God showed favor to Abel because of the spirit in which he performed his works.
@@PescadoDelDiablo Abel was righteous because he brought the blood of the Lamb, a picture of the Blood of Christ. What can wash my sin away? Nothing but the blood of Jesus...
True, but also, I believe that God _requested_ that Cain and Abel sacrifice the firstlings of the flock--that just like the later sacrifices of Abraham and the Mosaic Law, it was intended to prefigure the death of the Savior. Cain thought he could do better than God requested, and in his hubris he lost God's favor. See 1 Samuel 13:7-14 and 15:1-26 for comparable situations.
We're saved by faith, not by works. But NOT faith in the absence of works. Faith without works is dead. This is the same in the OT and the NT. It says that Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness. But his belief ultimately overflowed into an unwavering commitment to follow and obey the words of God - even when asked to sacrifice his son, who was received by faith. The question in the video is a hard one, but it cuts to the root of how you find balance in your relationship with God. Without faith, it is impossible to please God (Hebrews 11:6). Even our works are frequently corrupted by selfishness. We live righteously not because we love God, or because we desire to serve him, but because we want to earn something for ourselves. Or maybe it is motivated by fear. And there is no fear in love. But when you come to God with a heart that trusts him, and believes the words that he says, and accepts that his blood was poured out for you.... It releases you from all of that. Your works are no longer about yourself. They are an expression of your faith in something greater than yourself. That is what brings transformation.
The works play no part in acheiving salvation. Only faith. The works come naturally as fruit, but they are not in anyway the root of faith or salvation. They can be evidence of faith for other men, but the works themselves or in combination with faith in not what saves.
Missing the point here guys. The Gospel is about the heart and your works performed with selfish intent are rejected by God while your works that are motivated by Love and SELF LESS NESS are what Glorify God.
The problem with this according to the Bible is that we are corrupt; it's practically impossible for us not to sin, or act selfishly in our works, and so trust in Jesus Christ comes first and foremost as he died for our sins. This fixes the problem stemming from the Old Testament, where arguably good people who spent their entire lives proclaiming the gospel and doing good things were punished by God for acting selfishly and being unrepenting, despite their long life of good works. Therefore, it seems that the only "safe" way to truly glorify God would be to put trust in Christ first, *then* perform works motivated by love and selflessness.
What scriptural reference do you have for “works performed with selfish intent are rejected by God”? “…for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.” Hebrews 11:6 KJV Believing that God “is a rewarder” is “pleasing” to God. In addition, every biblical warning against sin, is literally warning the reader to take “selfish” care lest he be “rewarded” with punishment.
@@AdamLW01 it’s extremely important that people be more specific regarding to “trust” in Jesus. We are trusting Jesus to “do” certain things, lots of things. As a point of emphasis a human needs Jesus to take away / cover sins (1John3:5, 1Peter4:8) AND connect / add a completed righteousness (Rom5:19;Gal3:27). I often hear people talk about trusting in Jesus as though believing he existed is the “trust”.
Hebrews 11:6 And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him.
If you have faith you will do the works. That's the point. You cannot find one person who TRULY believes and Christ, but don't feed his sheep, but don't cloth the naked, but don't help the poor. When a human being truly believes in something, thet believe is evident in his actions even if he himself doesn't notice
No, because even the wicked and the evil can "put everything they have behind what they do." It is not simply your effort, but more importantly WHO you aim your effort at: "Whatever you do, do all to the glory of God." 1 Corinthians 10:31
@@guyfromaucklandnz Romans 2:7 He will give eternal life to those who keep on doing good, seeking after the glory and honor and immortality that God offers.
@guyfromaucklandnz There is no doing good for its own sake. If there was, you certainly wouldn't be able to do it. We do good for God's sake and because we wish to preserve our lives. We do that by giving it up. Only those who have faith can do that.
No man can please God without faith in him. “And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him.” Hebrews 11:6
Understood, but what does the word "faith" mean? That same chapter in Hebrews goes on to describe the extreme faith displayed by actions. Faith by works as James would say. Mark 7:6 [6]He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me WITH THEIR LIPS, but their heart is far from me. I am not calling anyone a hypocrite, but merely referencing Messiah's words to show that words alone are not enough. Which is what I read Hebrews 11 as saying.
@@georgeelvira551 what part of 'must believe in him' don't you understand? Faith in him, followed and lived out by good deeds is the authentic holistic way of belief. Good works, whilst denying The Son, is not pleasing to him who rules the Heavens.
I was thinking about this the other day. Rheres a pasage that says something like: The heavens rejoice when a siner changes his ways than when 99 believers do good.' Of course im paraphrasing, And i thought that was so harsh and some what kills your motivation, knowing that the good of heart and those who try to walk the narrow path are more attacked than those who dont. But then i thought Why? And the conclusion i landed in at was, When 99 good people do good, the World stays the same. But when a siner does good and decides to change his ways the Wolrd gets less bad and to those who are doing good the burden lessens.
Good thought. Would you rather 99 people made the world minutely better or prevent 1 person from death? The 1 person’s life is worth more than anything we can do.
@@Kevin-sr8yxthat is a terrible sideways step that defeats the purpose. Their life isn't what's important... it's a gift, and WILL be given back... what condition it's in when they hand it back is what's important. As in, what you DO with the time you have is what matters, not the length of time you had to do it.
It has to do with the parable of the lost lamb. He already has the one doing good. He will not be forced at the end of the age to send them off to endless suffering. He is no longer worried, and weeping endlessly over the do holder as he still loves the sinner the exact same, and it hurts him to hurt the sinner. So whenever a sinner changes. It is SO much more joyous of an occasion of an occasion for him.
What amazes me with discussions like these in this format is the thought of what or who do you have to be in order to be invited to this half round table. Brilliant men.
What's funny is these men have no idea what they're even talking about when it comes to the gospels 😂 Yes some of them are very intelligent, but that doesn't equate to wisdom. I gotta make a commentary about this on my channel. I'm uneducated but I know the Bible.
My point is, it takes revelation to truly understand the Bible. It's alive. The Bible is alive. It's the breathing word of God. People don't understand that. But that's why when you read it, you can read the same passage and have a whole new revelation about it years later. It takes having the holy Spirit to understand the Word. If someone doesn't have the holy Spirit (isn't a believer in what Jesus did and who he is) they will NOT understand it. This is fact. Intelligence can try to understand but you never will truly comprehend the depths of how spiritual this is until God reveals that to you.
@@Russian.Roulette This argument frustrates me a lot because it can be used for virtually any book or attainable piece of literature out there. It's basically saying "Well for you to TRULY understand X you have to have the ability to understand X" And this ability to understand is entirely subjective to the reader when compared to other concrete ways to display the understanding of any piece of information e.g language, equations, physics. (What I mean for example is you can't claim to be fluent in Urdu and then not be able to display fluency in Urdu) etc This of course in real life translates to the idea that if you don't understand the bible the way I do then you don't really understand the Bible. As a result of this argument, Christianity now has a plethora of denominations. Who then practices Real Christianity? A group of people that does exactly what the book says and lives life accordingly? Or a group of people who claim to have had a spiritual revelation about the word. Should the bible like any piece of literature ultimately be left up to interpretation?
Doing good with the expectation of making money and being praised by people is for self glory. Good works done from love for others without the expectation of self glory is glorifying God.
To use Christian language for this analogy, if you are saved you will act saved. This is why it is said in shemot “נעשה ונישמע” or “we will do, and we will hear/understand.” It is in unity that your heart’s beliefs and your body’s deeds will be righteous, not opposition.
@ an example and a definition would be needed. To give my definition “act” means things that you do that affect other people. “Saved” is the conception by Christians that you have confidence in where you are spending eternity due to your belief in the atoning blood of Christ. An example of not being “saved” for an extreme example lets say, going to church, having been baptized, and identifying as a “catholic” “Baptist” or “born again” however you are an unrepentant sexual predator, you are not acting saved. You are a hypocrite carrying the Lord’s name in vain. A less extreme example I would give of someone not “acting saved,” to use another Christian example, would be someone who prays loudly in public, constantly complains about their fasting, and worries more about the tithing of dill and cumin than the weightier things. To quote Jesus, their’s is not the kingdom of heaven. For they act one way that is not in unison with their beliefs, that of a religious person busied with religious rituals as the “act” but their heart is not pursuing these acts from the perspective of wanting to be closer to God. They are for societal clout. So what if you don’t act saved? Then I think you aren’t saved. Luckily my opinion doesn’t matter, it’s HaShem’s place to judge mankind. It is helpful though to be able to explain to people why there are bad religious people and be able to distance ourselves from them.
@@HaleStorm49 Who? The thief on the cross? Why would you assume that? According to scripture, he clearly was a thief and even criticized Jesus at first. No, he was not a disciple and not previously baptized.
@@KatBradley-1968 Which scripture? Not the Account in Luke. It's pretty obvious there that the thief was familiar with Jesus and did not mock Him. Unfortunately for modern Christianity the synoptic gospels are not consistent in the telling of this story.
"For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God. Not of works, lest anyone should boast" - Ephesians 2: 8-9 "Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost" - Titus 3:5 "And without faith it is impossible to please God" - Hebrews 11:6
Indeed, the epistle of James has to be read in context of these scriptures. Basically if you aren't doing good works, did you receive the faith that really changes your life?
@stevecooper7883 exactly. James shows the test of faith, but it is by faith that we are saved. A faith that brings salvation will bear the fruits of good works.
@aarontoalet right. But the point is we are saved by our faith, not by our works. Our works simply prove what kind of faith we have. All of our best works are as filthy rags before our most Holy God. Nothing we do can get us into heaven. Rather it's about what Christ has done the cross. And our faith in Christ, and the work He did on the cross, is what brings us salvation. Our works simply prove what kind of faith we have. A tree of faith that brings salvation will bear the fruits of good works. Look at the thief on the cross. He is a good example of how we get saved, and his testimony is given to us for a reason. He did ZERO works, he brings ZERO righteousness to the table. He wasn't even baptized! But he believed in Christ, and called to Him for mercy, and that was enough. As it is written: "Abraham believed the Lord, and He counted it to him as righteousness."
Is it possible for someone to know God better than a professing Christian? One man’s knowledge came from intellectual reading of the Bible. He knows a lot of information. Another man’s wisdom comes from a difficult life. He understands more.
Religion is morally bad for a lot of people and makes them hateful and divisive. There were laws similar to the 10 commandments way before them. Everyone knows killing, stealing, fraud, lying is bad because you don't want it done to you and it's bad for society as a whole. Religion causes fear, guilt, hatred of other religions and sexual identifies and lifestyles etc
What's bad is the genocide of the Bible, infant genital mutilation, homophobia, support of the genocide of Palestinians, religious wars, inquisition, emotional blackmail with hell, etc
@@UserBR-v6lWho loves their enemies? Like 2 people. The last one I read about was a daughter who forgave her mothers murderer. And she lobbied for him to be released from prison and hired him to do work on her house. Then he killed her. Love your enemies. See how that works out.
One could interpret that Calvinistically, or one could interpret that more simply; those who are already disposed to search for God will do so more successfully; like the Matthew principle found in Jesus' sermons. But an arbitrary unconditional election is a less nuanced interpretation. God can still enforce providence more highly than baseless arbitration.
@@cowboyssawmillandwoodlot6343 yeah I'm an aspiring Catholic who can actually get past the cognitive dissonance of the idea that the "Holy Spirit brings the correct interpretation to us"
Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as Jesus is righteous. The one who does what is sinful is of the devil. 1 John 3:7-8 It doesn’t matter what we say. It's what we DO that reveals what we BELIEVE. And people will try to deceive us on this.
You can't be righteous or practice righteousness without Christ: Christ Jesus is righteousness itself. You deceive yourself if you think the other way round
So in that line of thought, if I act as a Christian without the belief / faith, does that make me worthy of saving? Christianity is quite confusing at times.
@michaelchipwende931 So that requirement immediately makes me reject your religion, even though I follow the guidance of Christianity without the belief. I guess I'm doomed then, which seems silly. I'm but a simple human though.
@lukefantini9770 This is where I struggle, because I do live my life as a Christian, but without belief in God. It just naturally seems like the best way to be to me, but for whatever reason I have no faith. It causes me a bit of grief tbh
To Dennis the meaning of the Rags part is not to diminish when you do good, but that even when doing good as humans we fall short of how good Gods standards are, which emphasizes the ABSOLUTE need to believe in Christ in which we are now saved believing in him, as when we present ourselves in heaven the Father shall see Christ in us and not our nature 😊
Well can you imagine that, 2000. years later, people from all over the world gather at one place and discuss same old teachings that mean life to most of us. Just wonderful.
A reminder for all of us: All if are probably more bad than good!! We lose our patience, we walk past litter on the ground, we look down on others (even if we mean it) we judge each other, we skip out on little things, we ALL have more stuff then we need, we spend more time being busy than time with God, we indulge, we waste………We do “good” maybe less then half the time!!! That is why Jesus came ❤️🤗 So we may life! God is great that way!!! He knows our hearts more than we ever could!!! Being good has absolutely nothing to do it. He wants our hearts and the fruits of the Spirit will naturally come out when God is part of your life. You will want to confess out loud when you know you hurt God, and you will try your best to stop or not do it again! You will want to thank Him everyday and you will start wanting less of fleshly desires, but want His!!!!
No one is righteous, someone can be more virtuous and act more morally, but no one is righteous, no one is above another in that sense, so faith is the ultimate testament
Romans 2,:14-16 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) 16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.
@@Cassander314No it doesn't, because God disciplines believers when they sin, according to Hebrews. Just because good works can't save you, doesn't mean they are not important to God and that you shouldn't do them. That kind of logic is fallatious. Not everything has to be a salvation issue in order to still be spiritually important to God. It's important to God I love my wife, but that doesn't mean I'm saved by how well I love her. It's legalistic and self righteous to think that. These people are legalists who don't understand The Gospel, especially Peterson, who always talks about works, but never talks about Jesus being nailed to a cross for his sins.
It's like the homeless person on the street. We are all made in the image of the father. So that persons testimony is just as valuable as yours and mine. 🙏
Probably yes. All living beings are God's children whether or not they believe in God. And I do believe God would prefer good children who are non believers over bad children who are believers..
Exactly. It's a willing response to salvation, not the cause of it. Hebrews teaches that God disciplines believers when they sin, not take away their salvation. Did King David lose salvation when he committed adultery and murder? No. Did God severely discipline him on Earth? Yes. Legalists like Peterson really need to understand this. Jordon Peterson is a legalist who doesn't openely profess faith in Christ dying for his sins, but instead appeals to his own righteousness. He doesn't understand The Gospel at all. God does not favour unbelievers who do good. Unbelief is the worst possible sin to God, but it's rejecting God.
This is husband to the picture.. We're just completing three years serving in East Africa as self-funded missionaries who read and operated as though Acts chapter 5 is still meaningful.. As grandparents, we now return to the US to start over with nothing, only the debt required to finish here as best we can, however imperfectly.. Judging from our limited perspectives, no matter how fulsomely degreed, experienced, erudite is problematic for all of us.. Good discussion, awesome discussion, but please bend down in the garden and get good soil into your fingernails again. That is the accumulated star-dust that God made us from. We cannot know what we are unequiped to know. Judgement must be God's because none of us has perspective great enough to comprehend even the intricacies of our own hearts let alone even one other person. Let God be God. We don't want that job. As Children.. Run with hands up in joy and trust to God as God's children.. No one else has truth big enough. Peace, Blessings, and thank you ever..
Dennis is partly RIGHT! Rom 2:6,7 and John 5:28,29 say we will be judged by our works (many other passages support this). God first MAKES us righteous (the greek word translated "justify" literally means "to make righteous") when we are born again through faith so that we are "outfitted" to do good works - but it is our works, at the final Judgement, that are judged.
@@Simon_Alexnder The Scripture doesn't insist that non-Christians don't do good works. In fact, the first Gentile convert in Acts 10 had a reputation for good deeds and Peter said that "God accepts those who do what is right."
Faith without works is dead, couldn't agree more. But the order you have established is not a hard and fast rule. There are people who start behaving (performing works of good) as though they have belief, but they have lived their lives without knowing God and find the act of belief itself may elude them, forcing them to stay the course until their heart can follow. Faith typically comes before works, true. But there are many people who feel a need to do what is right and good, and through doing that, their internal spark of the divine will lead them Home to The Father. In this way, The Lord uses the works that we do to shape our beliefs of the world, as much as our beliefs might inform our actions. One way of approaching the question would be: If someone watched your every act, big and small, as you walked through your life, what conclusion would they draw? Would they say, "There goes a man who knows The Lord" or would they see just selfish person who excretes good only as a byproduct of unconscious functions. Sometimes you might not be aware of your actions until someone points out that you've been living your whole lives just as a religious person might, you would start to reevaluate your relationship to the divine. Quick example: Let's say that a man does not believe in math. He has said that you can't believe in the existence of math because you can't see or touch or feel numbers, yet as he grows into maturity, the man discovers that he uses math every time he throws a ball or purchases a product or if ever he cooks or tries to see how long it is from "here to there". Eventually the evidence of the existence of math - not in a physical, tactile form but in a meta-physical manner that makes it true and exists across all time and is coded directly into our functions, all this would be too much for the logical man. He actions and usage in the very things he claims not to believe in is a system that he (in practice) believes in his every day life.
@KaufmanHousehold-tx6tc Faith comes from the Latin word Fidelis translated means loyal, trustful, truthful. The truth matters because Jesus is truth. Cults put works before a trust in the truth (faith). Jim Jones said drink the coolaid truth be damned. Joseph Smith trust the Book of Mormon, truth be damned.
Hebrews 11:6 And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who draws near to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him.
Short answer is ur Works definitely matter. They validate ur faith, so without works you don’t even have faith no matter how much u profess to believe in Jesus
If you are counting on your works in any way, you aren't trusting in Christ alone. Our works are done of love not fear or to prove anything. Repent of dead works towards the gospel of grace
@ you missed the point. The Bible says faith without works is dead. So if all u have of faith and the lord but have no works you don’t even have faith. Ur faith is fake.
Matthew 21:28-32 The Parable of the Two Sons 28 “What do you think? There was a man who had two sons. He went to the first and said, ‘Son, go and work today in the vineyard.’ 29 “‘I will not,’ he answered, but later he changed his mind and went. 30 “Then the father went to the other son and said the same thing. He answered, ‘I will, sir,’ but he did not go. 31 “Which of the two did what his father wanted?” “The first,” they answered. Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you. 32 For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him.
Facts the west think belief is a thought and not an action. The chief rulers even believed on him but were cowards and didn’t follow him and picked up their cross. Jhn 12:42 Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue: Jhn 12:43 For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.
Both are required in the correct measure, but they are not mutually exclusive if you consider that all are children of the Most High. He likely prefers the conduct of the moral non-believer, but they will not be saved by their works alone. Likewise, the poorly behaved genuine believer will be saved by their belief and not condemned by their works. The caveat here is a genuine acceptance of Messiah, and not intentionally working things contrary to Him. You can be a lost fool, but you cannot be lawlessly evil. Both things must be in concert to please God. Faith without works is dead. Works without faith are fruitless. Works done in false pretense are no different than vanities, and result in a rebuke. Read Matthew chapter 7 for clarity on this matter.
Someone who calls themselves and believer, yet acts against their belief constantly and disregards the word of God and his teachings, is not much of a believer at all. Actions and their word must align. If you're a saint in your actions, yet don't believe in God, you are only doing it for yourself, yet if you say you believe in God, then do the opposite of what God commands of you, you are actively working against the God you claim to believe. Jesus died for our sins because even the believer who's action align with God can never act perfectly in God image. Jesus' sacrifice was not a free pass to do as you will. If you truly believe in your heart, you will naturally do your best to act in accordance and when you falter it will be a moment of weakness that you will know and feel, and is what repentance and Jesus's acceptance and reliquishment of our sins are for. Yes the believer is saved over the non-believer, but the believer who actively works against God is no true believer in their heart. Only the individual can know their own fate, their words mean nothing without the honest belief.
Romans 3, Psalm 14 there is none that does good. Mark 10:18 only God is good. John 14:9 Christ is one with the Father. John 15:5 Apart from Christ we can bear no (good) fruit. Titus 3:5-7 were not saved by our righteous deeds but by the washing of regeneration and the renewing of the Holy Spirit. Romans 3:31 we establish the law through faith. James 2:18 faith (trust) in God produces works. Ezek 36:25, Galatians 2:20 the works produced by Christ in us. Matthew 5:17 Jesus the Christ fulfilled the law. Hebrews 3:3 For this man is greater than Moses. Hebrews 4:10 “For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.” Hebrews 4 says enter into His rest. On the 7th day God rested from His “GOOD” works, (Mark 2:27-28 “And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.”) Romans 5:12 Adam’ sin brought death . Hebrew 4 God then prepared another day, saying today if you hear His voice do not harden your hearts. Therefore let us fear lest we should come short of entering His rest. Romans 5:19 Christ’ righteousness brought life. Hebrews 4:8 there remains a rest for the people of God. Man keeps going about trying to establish His own righteousness. Dennis and all at the table are missing the mark. John 14:6 I Am the way.
Peterson knows absolutely nothing about the Gospel. I can’t even listen to him talk about it. He starts blabbering about clinical psychology and seems afraid of the challenge of Jesus’ teachings.
For many years I took pride in my good works and leaned on them for status before God. At least, that is, untill God slowly broke through to me and showed me my pride upon pride. The works and righteousness I lived by were impressive by all standards I knew of, but I was an arrogant pharisee and blind to my chief sin of pride. If we say works matter to God more than belief, unfortunately that position itself illustrates pride and likely blindness to our greatest sin, the root if all sins, the sin of pride. Now there are works that please God and glorify him, but these works flow from an individual who first trusts (has faith) in the perfect Lamb of God and the finished work he offers up for us. Works that truly glorify God flow from this faith and also simultaneously demonatrate that your faith is real. I pray you may know the amazing peace and rest for your soul that comes when you trust in His works alone, and not your own.
It also must suck for everyone who died before Christ and never met a single Jew or heard of God's covenant, according to Protestants, they just didn't make it.
Yes. To say "We are justified apart from works" and "We are justified by works" is a contradiction. In what sense we are justified in those two instances must be qualified and I think Tyndale makes the correct disticntion. Paul (in his theological discourse on the righteousness of God) is talking about justification before God and James (in his practical applications of the Christian life in the world) is talking about justification before men. Which is actually the same distinction Paul makes in Romans 4:2: "If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about-but not before God."
The rest, I believe, want to qualify Paul's "works" as something different than Jame's "works"; in other words, they will argue that "works" refers only to the Torah and not good works in general.
0:50 "I'm very Jewish in that way uh and yet I am told, I have been told hundreds of times, uh Dennis they don't matter your works are like filthy Rags" Is this an allusion to the self-hypnotic nature of beliefs? The fantasy-of-knowing inherent in language regardless of place or race? Was hypnotism practiced in the ancient mystery schools and is the resurrection about the experience of crucifying the personal ego of our developed mind & resurrecting the 'sensory' nature of being we are all born with? Is it very telling that this so-called inquiry into the value of the Gospels in conducted 'exclusively' by men? And is the Nazarene story about the truth that sets us free, the best reality-wise story about humanity upon the cross of space-time told thus far, in humanity's evolving history?
@@jas.15311 David Bates, a 72 year seeker of experiential wisdom, through experiences that are older than humanity, like the earth-turning reality of being-in-time. Which I believe is the riddle of the empty tomb given voice in the chapter 16 original ending of Mark's gospel, with its existential question: "Is the Cosmos a Womb or a Tomb?" Does the women fleeing the empty tomb and telling no one signify our precious Ego's fear of the truth about the fantasy-of-knowing inherent in spoken language, regardless of place or race?
When no lands nor lots, nor houses, nor friendships at stake. When no mobs to mock you and you have no cross to take. Peterson thy faith the Son of Man recognize! Be gentle unto the comforter dwelling within thee! The HELPER "i" Am.
faith is required for salvation faith doesn't require work, u just blindly believe, that's literally the definition of faith, belief without evidence, so you don't require any work to have faith.
Someone who already does good and continues so is already a bastion of hope and light in the world. Yet when a sinner changes his ways and does good, there is less evil in the world. Remember Christianity is less about being good and rather about having a lack of evil. A sinner is someone who "misses" the point which is what the word sin means, to miss. Yet there is an abscence of good in evil as opposed to an abundance of evil in the sinner.
its a question that doesnt have to be answered. nobody has to live in either state. we all know the clear best is the believer who does good. so pursue it.
the problem is some segments of Christianity have corrupted the references to 'works'. in context, this is works of the law- they have no salvatic value. However, Charity and love and mercy do have merit.
The fact that salvation is “not of works” doesn’t equate to “works don’t matter.” They do matter. However, salvation is solely by grace through faith alone.
What's being referred to are works of "Faith". Faith in known promises of God. Faith accounts for righteousness. That's why doing works according to "goodness/deeds" are considered filthy rags. There's no righteousness in that. That's why there's no contradiction.
"For it is by grace that you have been saved, through faith, and this is not of your own doing, it is the gift of God, NOT a result of WORKS so that no one may boast" -Ephesians 2:8-9 So your works don't matter and are like filthy rags, in regards to being SAVED. Works don't save you, the only thing that saves you is JESUS. So if you are relying on your works to be "good enough" to enter Heaven you will be eternally disappointed. "Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."" -John 14:6
When the prophet Isaiah said "our righteousness are as filthy rags" which means that human righteousness cannot save someone from their sins, Isaiah isn't saying that we shouldn't practice righteousness, he's saying don't depend on it but on God's righteousness which is Jesus.
Crazy how Bibleproject just went through the sermon on the mount and now JP is going through the gospels. Would be awesome to see Tim Mackie and JP talk ancient context and ancient truths through their mythology and stories
I pray with all my soul for Jordan. Were he to become Catholic like Tammy, I’d still pray as much for him if not more. Send up your Rosaries for Jordan and Tammy!
Me being an atheist I remember an old co-worker years ago asked me what do I believe in I simply said being a good person he told me that wasn't good enough I said oh well its good enough for me
Proverbs 3:7-Be not wise in your own eyes; fear the LORD, and turn away from evil. Psalm 111:10-The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom; all those who practice it have a good understanding. His praise endures forever!
Youd think if an all loving god required you believe he exists as a criteria to not fry forever, he’d be decent enough to show himself to everyone so theyre sure hes real
@@MrStreetninja007btw if you’re curious “fear” of God in the Hebrew actual means something along the lines of reverence and awe with submission involved. Not genuine fear and terror. So like a respect for authority.
"Behold, the Lord esteemeth all flesh in one; he that is righteous is favored of God..." Believing in God certainly makes it easier to learn to be like him, which is what it means to be righteous. But you can sincerely do the best you know without explicitly believing in him and such will also gain the favor of God. And more than those that know to do good and do not, for this is sin.
Psalm 53:2-3 - "God looks down from heaven on the children of man to see if there are any who understand, who seek after God. They have all fallen away; together they have become corrupt; there is none who does good, not even one. John 15:5 - "I am the vine; you are the branches. Whoever abides in me and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing." We are saved from slavery to sin, and freed to do good works prepared for us in advance. This is the beauty of the Gospel: that God is author of all transformation and fruit in me, enabled by Christ on the cross. I can only thank Him for His free gift of grace.
Yes, but we also have to accept the unearned grace willingly. For example, God may gift me with the grace of wanting to spend time with Him in prayer daily. God has also given me the gift of free will (however, limited it may be) to act on this unearned grace of wanting to pray daily. Eventually, the grace may disappear if I do not pray daily (or at least more days than not). I recently heard a priest say that when one accepts a grace through an appropriate act of the will, God will then be more likely to give them more graces. It's like when a parent gives a child a gift, and the child gives thanks and makes the best of the gift; We are then more likely to give that child a gift in the future. Accordingly, many great saints accomplished unthinkable amounts of good in their lives because they willingly and thankfully accepted God's grace, stone by stone. Sometimes these graces require action on our part, and other necessary times a lack of action. For example, Jesus sometimes told Mother Angelika to not act on an opportunity that she would normally act upon, as she was a go-getter. Sooner or later the grace of sitting it out typically bore greater fruit during her earthly life than she could even imagine. I am speaking as a sinner who has failed in this many times.
@@sebwoz8766 We do have to accept the unearned grace willingly. But we will! It is God alone who gives us the will to do so. And He does not fail to complete that work in us. "My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand." (John 10:27-28) Did the grace disappear when David committed adultery? Or when Abraham went down to Egypt? Or when Samson went off track with Delilah? Free yourself! "For by grace you HAVE BEEN saved through faith, and this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God". (Eph 2:8) Prayer is a gift from God as a result of Christ's completed work, for us to appreciate and worship Him. Relax, enjoy and bear much fruit! : ) (And I do not mean to endorse sin here. We are saved from sin. "Whoever says, 'I know Him,' but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person." (1 John 2:4) But His grace is always enough when we stumble. "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness." (1 John 1:9))
@@sebwoz8766 We do have to accept the unearned grace willingly. But we will! It is God alone who gives us the will to do so. And He does not fail to complete that work in us. "My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand." (John 10:27-28) Did the grace disappear when David committed adultery? Or when Abraham went down to Egypt? Or when Samson went off track with Delilah? Free yourself! "For by grace you HAVE BEEN saved through faith, and this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God". (Eph 2:8) Prayer is a gift from God as a result of Christ's completed work, for us to appreciate and worship Him. Relax, enjoy and bear much fruit! : ) (And I do not mean to endorse sin here. We are saved from sin. "Whoever says, 'I know Him,' but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person." (1 John 2:4) But His grace is always enough when we stumble. "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness." (1 John 1:9))
Paraphrased: Does God prefer the one who does all things good except the one thing he asks of him, or the one who messes everything up but does the one thing he asks of him?
8:10 Since we’re made in God’s image, and He’s trinitarian in one, so are we: The Father: Mind The Son: Body The Holy Spirit: Soul Society pretends that we can separate these, as it is the perfect excuse to justify sin. That’s why we often hear: “I slept with someone but it meant nothing”, or just like drug lords do at times, that they give away toys, food, cars and plenty of stuff to poor people, so they gain their favor, and even protect them… That’s why the three things should be aligned with good, since we can’t detach one from the other.
People who “don’t believe” and yet bear the fruits of the Spirit have more *faith* than people who “believe” and hardly bear the fruits of the Spirit at all.
You cannot bear fruits of the Spirit if you have not believed. You do not have the spirit of God unless you believe. If a person dies without believing on Jesus, they will die and go to hell. Thats what the Bible says !
@@charliefagan2809the bible say that christians and god will judge the ones without faith and everyone else during apocalipse. They don't go to hell immediatly
@charliefagan2809 The Bible is not God....the Bible is just a record and history about some people whom God has used in the past....The Bible is an inspiration
@@IITIMOTHY the Bible is the Word of God. If you read it, it says it itself. It was given BY inspiration of God. All scripture, every verse, chapter and book is given by God, it is His word. 2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: Please just read the Bible, without Jp or someone else as a commentary, Jesus said in John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever BELIEVETH in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. You must believe on Jesus or you will perish.
What Dennis is saying cannot be true if God is our father. My child is much more pleasing to me and gets to enjoy the goodness of my house even when they disobey me over a really good and obedient kid down the block who not my child. It’s the relationship that defines Gods pleasure in us.
This whole series can be summarized with: Matthew 11:25-29 NIV. At that time Jesus said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children." Useless over-intellectualizatuon
Christianity has a incredibly rich intellectual tradition and it's clear you've never even so far as dipped your toe in it. There is room for both predispositions. Theology is secondary to praxis, but you do not go to the grandma at the back of the church for your theological understanding. simple faith is okay, but it isn't satisfactory in the modern day.
Prager is almost spot on in regard to works. The works are essential, however, at the same time no amount of works is sufficient to cover man's transgressions. Only by the grace of God and the sacrifice of the Son is one made worthy of the Kingdom. Jesus paid the price of our freedom from sin and our works alone are not sufficient. Galatians 3:13, Colossians 1:14, Colossians 2:13-14. James 2:14-26 14What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? 15If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, 16and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what goodb is that? 17So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. 18But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. 19You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe-and shudder! 20Do you want to be shown, you foolish person, that faith apart from works is useless? 21Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up his son Isaac on the altar? 22You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by his works; 23and the Scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”-and he was called a friend of God. 24You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone. 25And in the same way was not also Rahab the prostitute justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out by another way? 26For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead.
Too often, we view things from the perspective of this life, not eternity. That's why many feel that God allows or even does bad things. God doesn't mind when our journey has pain if it leads us to Him. In Luke 11 “Which of you fathers, if your son asks for a fish, will give him a snake instead?12Or if he asks for an egg, will give him a scorpion?13If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!” God knows what you're about. We can only know this with the help of the Holy Spirit, but most of the time, it's none of our business. Yes, I need to bear fruit and remember that all of my fruit is worthless without love.
if you believe there is some impartial and rationally deductible objective “good” you are already invoking something qualitatively identical to God in your value judgements
Good question. The bible says to repent and believe but as I examine scripture I don't believe that we are supposed to do - able to do - either of these things DIRECTLY. Salvation is justification and sanctification. Justification is CHOOSING to receive the grace that is Christ's dying and rising for our sin (Titus 2:11) resulting in the GIFT of faith (John 3:16 - the believing in this verse is not about choosing to believe something that is already true for it to then be true - nothing is ever true only if we believe it is!) Sanctification is the converse (it switches grace and faith around). It is CHOOSING to place faith in God (Heb 11:6) with God then giving us the GIFT of grace (Romans 5:2) - the gift of grace being the ability to repent/obey (Acts 11:18, 2 Tim 2:25). So then - the way we are able to believe is to first choose to receive grace. And the way we are able to repent is to first choose to place faith in God.
Without Faith your good works account to nothing,Hebrews 11:6.God is not pleased by mere good works but he is pleased by our trust in him and he reveals himself to those who trust in him that is the reward
An issue (non-belief and so many competing religions/sects) that would NOT exist if god, actually being consistent with his all loving nature, showed himself and just made his existence obvious to everyone in the world rather than deliberately hiding and making everything look as if hes not there.
I think faith is used in two ways: 1) Belief and 2) Faithfulness (or Fidelity). Being saved by Faith (Belief) does not exclude the necessity of Faith (Fidelity), which is exemplified through obedience (works). James clearly state that "a person is justified by works and not by faith alone", but we in the Western Hemisphere Christianity seem choose Paul (see Romans 3:28 and Ephesians 2:8 & 9) over James because it goes against our theology of faith alone. Such attitude or posture gives way to a belief system that places obedience as a unnecessary choice.
I am a fan of Dr. Peterson, he has helped me immensely. My only critique is when it comes to the Bible is he often over thinks things. Sometimes it’s simple it is what it says, with no deep hidden meaning. He sometimes removes to personal aspect of the gospel. Bishop Barron knows better
I think often the people who are genuinely spiritual and concerned with the merit of their own souls rarely if ever impose their spiritual beliefs and faith onto others, they simply lead their lives with an aim at virtue, without religion ever being attributed as a motivation or footnote. In line with this conversation, I was recently reflecting on an encounter I had with a pronouncedly pious individual at a casual open mic playing music with other people, himself included - I don't know what compelled him, but after the night finished and the group was leaving and chatting, he started to wield religion against other people and myself, who were discussing our performances or perhaps who he thought had done better than him. It wasn't a religious function and religion was never discussed, until he started to attribute peoples capability and skill to something like sin or a moral flaw in his eyes. Really I saw it as him using religion for his own pride, ego, and insecurity - and I think religion is all too often utilized in this way, as a false sense of authority, superiority, or self-righteousness.
There is zero salvation without faith or without works in said faith. The offer for salvation is there, but it has very specific and reiterated conditions.
Don’t fall into the trap of Cain. He conducted his sacrifices in a transactional manner believing that because he offered up X amount of goods, it would suffice to please God. Abel gave up what was most valuable to himself with faith that it was for the greater good. Thus, God showed favor to Abel because of the spirit in which he performed his works.
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I think this is the right take @pescadoDelDiablo
@@PescadoDelDiablo Abel was righteous because he brought the blood of the Lamb, a picture of the Blood of Christ. What can wash my sin away? Nothing but the blood of Jesus...
True, but also, I believe that God _requested_ that Cain and Abel sacrifice the firstlings of the flock--that just like the later sacrifices of Abraham and the Mosaic Law, it was intended to prefigure the death of the Savior. Cain thought he could do better than God requested, and in his hubris he lost God's favor. See 1 Samuel 13:7-14 and 15:1-26 for comparable situations.
"To be is to do". . .Aristotle.
"To do is to be". . .Sartre.
"Do be do be do". . . Sinatra.
now let's try Genesis and how God created everything...Be Do HAVE
To be or not to be, that is the question? Shakespeare
Do be a good bee, dont be a bad bee. Mr Do bee - Romper Room
To be is to do... is God
To do is to be... is man
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"Do be Do be Do bop". . . A. Gent. P.
We're saved by faith, not by works. But NOT faith in the absence of works.
Faith without works is dead.
This is the same in the OT and the NT. It says that Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness. But his belief ultimately overflowed into an unwavering commitment to follow and obey the words of God - even when asked to sacrifice his son, who was received by faith.
The question in the video is a hard one, but it cuts to the root of how you find balance in your relationship with God. Without faith, it is impossible to please God (Hebrews 11:6).
Even our works are frequently corrupted by selfishness. We live righteously not because we love God, or because we desire to serve him, but because we want to earn something for ourselves. Or maybe it is motivated by fear. And there is no fear in love.
But when you come to God with a heart that trusts him, and believes the words that he says, and accepts that his blood was poured out for you.... It releases you from all of that.
Your works are no longer about yourself. They are an expression of your faith in something greater than yourself.
That is what brings transformation.
The works play no part in acheiving salvation. Only faith. The works come naturally as fruit, but they are not in anyway the root of faith or salvation. They can be evidence of faith for other men, but the works themselves or in combination with faith in not what saves.
@@phetmoz Then why does the Bible say faith without works is dead?
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@@phetmoz ...that is your interpretation....the over one billion do not see it that way...
@phetmoz I agree, your works prove your faith. Obedience to Christ is necessary to be saved.
Missing the point here guys. The Gospel is about the heart and your works performed with selfish intent are rejected by God while your works that are motivated by Love and SELF LESS NESS are what Glorify God.
Ding ding ding a bunch of pagans trying to explain the Gospel this is painful and embarrassing to listen to.
@@jackcampbell3133 romans 13:8-10
Love Fulfills the Law.
The problem with this according to the Bible is that we are corrupt; it's practically impossible for us not to sin, or act selfishly in our works, and so trust in Jesus Christ comes first and foremost as he died for our sins. This fixes the problem stemming from the Old Testament, where arguably good people who spent their entire lives proclaiming the gospel and doing good things were punished by God for acting selfishly and being unrepenting, despite their long life of good works. Therefore, it seems that the only "safe" way to truly glorify God would be to put trust in Christ first, *then* perform works motivated by love and selflessness.
What scriptural reference do you have for “works performed with selfish intent are rejected by God”? “…for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.”
Hebrews 11:6 KJV
Believing that God “is a rewarder” is “pleasing” to God. In addition, every biblical warning against sin, is literally warning the reader to take “selfish” care lest he be “rewarded” with punishment.
@@AdamLW01 it’s extremely important that people be more specific regarding to “trust” in Jesus. We are trusting Jesus to “do” certain things, lots of things. As a point of emphasis a human needs Jesus to take away / cover sins (1John3:5, 1Peter4:8) AND connect / add a completed righteousness (Rom5:19;Gal3:27). I often hear people talk about trusting in Jesus as though believing he existed is the “trust”.
Hebrews 11:6
And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him.
@justinalejandro3126 ...At which point I check out; I live by Christian principles without believing in God. Darnit
Amen
I just scrolled past someone that quoted it out of context. Of course 🤮
i dont expect a reward anymore. i just do what i've been told
If you have faith you will do the works.
That's the point.
You cannot find one person who TRULY believes and Christ, but don't feed his sheep, but don't cloth the naked, but don't help the poor.
When a human being truly believes in something, thet believe is evident in his actions even if he himself doesn't notice
2:29 - "Put everything you have behind everything you do" That's a great aphorism to live by.
No, because even the wicked and the evil can "put everything they have behind what they do." It is not simply your effort, but more importantly WHO you aim your effort at: "Whatever you do, do all to the glory of God." 1 Corinthians 10:31
@@regeneratus-l2wyour spinning what he said. Obviously direction matters, but once direction is determined effort matter and it’s a good quote
You'll soon be exhausted.
@@regeneratus-l2w What of us who do good works for those/that which need help because we know that if we do not do them God wont either?
@@regeneratus-l2wAmen
Doing good for its own sake is true selflessness. Doing good because you want a reward is transactional by nature.
Which is why guys online freaking about getting to heaven is SO CRINGE 🤮
why promise me a reward then ? a +b = god owes me a great big apology
@@JasonPruett because God is good.
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Romans 2:7
He will give eternal life to those who keep on doing good, seeking after the glory and honor and immortality that God offers.
@guyfromaucklandnz There is no doing good for its own sake. If there was, you certainly wouldn't be able to do it. We do good for God's sake and because we wish to preserve our lives. We do that by giving it up. Only those who have faith can do that.
No man can please God without faith in him. “And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him.” Hebrews 11:6
Understood, but what does the word "faith" mean?
That same chapter in Hebrews goes on to describe the extreme faith displayed by actions. Faith by works as James would say.
Mark 7:6
[6]He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me WITH THEIR LIPS, but their heart is far from me.
I am not calling anyone a hypocrite, but merely referencing Messiah's words to show that words alone are not enough. Which is what I read Hebrews 11 as saying.
Rubbish.Some religios
@@georgeelvira551 what part of 'must believe in him' don't you understand? Faith in him, followed and lived out by good deeds is the authentic holistic way of belief. Good works, whilst denying The Son, is not pleasing to him who rules the Heavens.
I was thinking about this the other day. Rheres a pasage that says something like: The heavens rejoice when a siner changes his ways than when 99 believers do good.' Of course im paraphrasing, And i thought that was so harsh and some what kills your motivation, knowing that the good of heart and those who try to walk the narrow path are more attacked than those who dont. But then i thought Why? And the conclusion i landed in at was, When 99 good people do good, the World stays the same. But when a siner does good and decides to change his ways the Wolrd gets less bad and to those who are doing good the burden lessens.
Interesting thought.
Good thought. Would you rather 99 people made the world minutely better or prevent 1 person from death? The 1 person’s life is worth more than anything we can do.
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@@Kevin-sr8yxthat is a terrible sideways step that defeats the purpose. Their life isn't what's important... it's a gift, and WILL be given back... what condition it's in when they hand it back is what's important. As in, what you DO with the time you have is what matters, not the length of time you had to do it.
It has to do with the parable of the lost lamb. He already has the one doing good. He will not be forced at the end of the age to send them off to endless suffering. He is no longer worried, and weeping endlessly over the do holder as he still loves the sinner the exact same, and it hurts him to hurt the sinner. So whenever a sinner changes. It is SO much more joyous of an occasion of an occasion for him.
What amazes me with discussions like these in this format is the thought of what or who do you have to be in order to be invited to this half round table. Brilliant men.
What's funny is these men have no idea what they're even talking about when it comes to the gospels 😂
Yes some of them are very intelligent, but that doesn't equate to wisdom. I gotta make a commentary about this on my channel. I'm uneducated but I know the Bible.
My point is, it takes revelation to truly understand the Bible. It's alive. The Bible is alive. It's the breathing word of God. People don't understand that. But that's why when you read it, you can read the same passage and have a whole new revelation about it years later. It takes having the holy Spirit to understand the Word. If someone doesn't have the holy Spirit (isn't a believer in what Jesus did and who he is) they will NOT understand it. This is fact. Intelligence can try to understand but you never will truly comprehend the depths of how spiritual this is until God reveals that to you.
@@Russian.Roulette This argument frustrates me a lot because it can be used for virtually any book or attainable piece of literature out there. It's basically saying "Well for you to TRULY understand X you have to have the ability to understand X" And this ability to understand is entirely subjective to the reader when compared to other concrete ways to display the understanding of any piece of information e.g language, equations, physics. (What I mean for example is you can't claim to be fluent in Urdu and then not be able to display fluency in Urdu) etc This of course in real life translates to the idea that if you don't understand the bible the way I do then you don't really understand the Bible. As a result of this argument, Christianity now has a plethora of denominations. Who then practices Real Christianity? A group of people that does exactly what the book says and lives life accordingly? Or a group of people who claim to have had a spiritual revelation about the word. Should the bible like any piece of literature ultimately be left up to interpretation?
Doing good with the expectation of making money and being praised by people is for self glory. Good works done from love for others without the expectation of self glory is glorifying God.
To use Christian language for this analogy, if you are saved you will act saved. This is why it is said in shemot “נעשה ונישמע” or “we will do, and we will hear/understand.” It is in unity that your heart’s beliefs and your body’s deeds will be righteous, not opposition.
What if you don’t act saved?
@ an example and a definition would be needed. To give my definition “act” means things that you do that affect other people. “Saved” is the conception by Christians that you have confidence in where you are spending eternity due to your belief in the atoning blood of Christ.
An example of not being “saved” for an extreme example lets say, going to church, having been baptized, and identifying as a “catholic” “Baptist” or “born again” however you are an unrepentant sexual predator, you are not acting saved. You are a hypocrite carrying the Lord’s name in vain.
A less extreme example I would give of someone not “acting saved,” to use another Christian example, would be someone who prays loudly in public, constantly complains about their fasting, and worries more about the tithing of dill and cumin than the weightier things. To quote Jesus, their’s is not the kingdom of heaven. For they act one way that is not in unison with their beliefs, that of a religious person busied with religious rituals as the “act” but their heart is not pursuing these acts from the perspective of wanting to be closer to God. They are for societal clout.
So what if you don’t act saved? Then I think you aren’t saved. Luckily my opinion doesn’t matter, it’s HaShem’s place to judge mankind. It is helpful though to be able to explain to people why there are bad religious people and be able to distance ourselves from them.
Well done. Well said. The thief on the cross had nothing to give, but himself: "Remember me when you come into your kingdom."
Well he did a work of mercy by admonishing the sinner and instructing the ignorant.
@salsuginusrex5196 God definitely does not let our faith or obedience go to waste.
He was likely already a baptized disciple
@@HaleStorm49 Who? The thief on the cross? Why would you assume that? According to scripture, he clearly was a thief and even criticized Jesus at first. No, he was not a disciple and not previously baptized.
@@KatBradley-1968 Which scripture? Not the Account in Luke. It's pretty obvious there that the thief was familiar with Jesus and did not mock Him. Unfortunately for modern Christianity the synoptic gospels are not consistent in the telling of this story.
"For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God. Not of works, lest anyone should boast" - Ephesians 2: 8-9
"Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost" - Titus 3:5
"And without faith it is impossible to please God" - Hebrews 11:6
Indeed, the epistle of James has to be read in context of these scriptures. Basically if you aren't doing good works, did you receive the faith that really changes your life?
@stevecooper7883 exactly. James shows the test of faith, but it is by faith that we are saved. A faith that brings salvation will bear the fruits of good works.
But faith without works is dead. It isn’t actually faith if there aren’t works.
@aarontoalet right. But the point is we are saved by our faith, not by our works. Our works simply prove what kind of faith we have.
All of our best works are as filthy rags before our most Holy God. Nothing we do can get us into heaven. Rather it's about what Christ has done the cross. And our faith in Christ, and the work He did on the cross, is what brings us salvation.
Our works simply prove what kind of faith we have. A tree of faith that brings salvation will bear the fruits of good works.
Look at the thief on the cross. He is a good example of how we get saved, and his testimony is given to us for a reason. He did ZERO works, he brings ZERO righteousness to the table. He wasn't even baptized! But he believed in Christ, and called to Him for mercy, and that was enough.
As it is written:
"Abraham believed the Lord, and He counted it to him as righteousness."
@@aarontoalet Works are the manifestation of faith they are not separate
Thank you for all you have done and continue to do, Brother!
the very last intervention of the man close to bishop Barron, is outstanding. Thank you all of you btw, great great conversation
How do you know what is good, if you do not know god?
Is it possible for someone to know God better than a professing Christian?
One man’s knowledge came from intellectual reading of the Bible. He knows a lot of information.
Another man’s wisdom comes from a difficult life. He understands more.
This is so silly
God and divinity its all just a manmade story
Religion is morally bad for a lot of people and makes them hateful and divisive. There were laws similar to the 10 commandments way before them. Everyone knows killing, stealing, fraud, lying is bad because you don't want it done to you and it's bad for society as a whole. Religion causes fear, guilt, hatred of other religions and sexual identifies and lifestyles etc
What's bad is the genocide of the Bible, infant genital mutilation, homophobia, support of the genocide of Palestinians, religious wars, inquisition, emotional blackmail with hell, etc
The last guy said it best.
Belief is trust not just assent. Not about behavior or obedience
You can't obey unless you believe. Try loving enemies without full trust in God and tell me how that went.
@@UserBR-v6lWho loves their enemies? Like 2 people. The last one I read about was a daughter who forgave her mothers murderer. And she lobbied for him to be released from prison and hired him to do work on her house. Then he killed her.
Love your enemies. See how that works out.
@@UserBR-v6l true. That doesn’t change the truth of what I said though.
@faithalonesaves You said belief isn't about obedience. It is. The disobedient are not saved.
Belief is trust in and commitment to Christ. Faith produces changes in behavior. Faith produces obedience.
This is my current understanding lol
Jordan Christ was asked directly why He spoke in parables. The answer was that His Chosen ones will understand them. The perishing will not
One could interpret that Calvinistically, or one could interpret that more simply; those who are already disposed to search for God will do so more successfully; like the Matthew principle found in Jesus' sermons. But an arbitrary unconditional election is a less nuanced interpretation. God can still enforce providence more highly than baseless arbitration.
@ how about interpreting that Biblically??
@@cowboyssawmillandwoodlot6343 yeah I'm an aspiring Catholic who can actually get past the cognitive dissonance of the idea that the "Holy Spirit brings the correct interpretation to us"
@ find a Calvinistic church to actually see the difference
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Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as Jesus is righteous. The one who does what is sinful is of the devil.
1 John 3:7-8
It doesn’t matter what we say. It's what we DO that reveals what we BELIEVE. And people will try to deceive us on this.
You can't be righteous or practice righteousness without Christ: Christ Jesus is righteousness itself. You deceive yourself if you think the other way round
So in that line of thought, if I act as a Christian without the belief / faith, does that make me worthy of saving? Christianity is quite confusing at times.
@michaelchipwende931 So that requirement immediately makes me reject your religion, even though I follow the guidance of Christianity without the belief. I guess I'm doomed then, which seems silly. I'm but a simple human though.
Perfectly said, someone who claims to believe in God, but acts in contradiction to that idea does not really believe in it.
@lukefantini9770 This is where I struggle, because I do live my life as a Christian, but without belief in God. It just naturally seems like the best way to be to me, but for whatever reason I have no faith. It causes me a bit of grief tbh
To Dennis the meaning of the Rags part is not to diminish when you do good, but that even when doing good as humans we fall short of how good Gods standards are, which emphasizes the ABSOLUTE need to believe in Christ in which we are now saved believing in him, as when we present ourselves in heaven the Father shall see Christ in us and not our nature 😊
Well can you imagine that, 2000. years later, people from all over the world gather at one place and discuss same old teachings that mean life to most of us. Just wonderful.
@@harishmahadevan8099 Which ones? We do it with philosophy, I agree.
A reminder for all of us: All if are probably more bad than good!! We lose our patience, we walk past litter on the ground, we look down on others (even if we mean it) we judge each other, we skip out on little things, we ALL have more stuff then we need, we spend more time being busy than time with God, we indulge, we waste………We do “good” maybe less then half the time!!! That is why Jesus came ❤️🤗 So we may life! God is great that way!!! He knows our hearts more than we ever could!!! Being good has absolutely nothing to do it. He wants our hearts and the fruits of the Spirit will naturally come out when God is part of your life. You will want to confess out loud when you know you hurt God, and you will try your best to stop or not do it again! You will want to thank Him everyday and you will start wanting less of fleshly desires, but want His!!!!
_“Can a blind man lead a blind man? Will they not both fall into a pit?"_
*-LUKE 6:39*
No one is righteous, someone can be more virtuous and act more morally, but no one is righteous, no one is above another in that sense, so faith is the ultimate testament
This logic leads one to tolerate things they probably shouldn’t.
Romans 2,:14-16
(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) 16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.
@@Cassander314 You mean like tolerating the fact that people think they are righteous when they are not?
@@Cassander314No it doesn't, because God disciplines believers when they sin, according to Hebrews. Just because good works can't save you, doesn't mean they are not important to God and that you shouldn't do them. That kind of logic is fallatious. Not everything has to be a salvation issue in order to still be spiritually important to God. It's important to God I love my wife, but that doesn't mean I'm saved by how well I love her. It's legalistic and self righteous to think that. These people are legalists who don't understand The Gospel, especially Peterson, who always talks about works, but never talks about Jesus being nailed to a cross for his sins.
It's like the homeless person on the street. We are all made in the image of the father. So that persons testimony is just as valuable as yours and mine. 🙏
Grace through faith to do good works
Amen glory to god
I love bishop Barron.
Probably yes. All living beings are God's children whether or not they believe in God. And I do believe God would prefer good children who are non believers over bad children who are believers..
Good works should be an act of gratitude to God! Not building one’s ego!
Exactly. It's a willing response to salvation, not the cause of it. Hebrews teaches that God disciplines believers when they sin, not take away their salvation. Did King David lose salvation when he committed adultery and murder? No. Did God severely discipline him on Earth? Yes. Legalists like Peterson really need to understand this. Jordon Peterson is a legalist who doesn't openely profess faith in Christ dying for his sins, but instead appeals to his own righteousness. He doesn't understand The Gospel at all. God does not favour unbelievers who do good. Unbelief is the worst possible sin to God, but it's rejecting God.
Correct you using everything in your brain to take care of least one of mine and give all the glory to the father. Amen 🙏
This is husband to the picture.. We're just completing three years serving in East Africa as self-funded missionaries who read and operated as though Acts chapter 5 is still meaningful.. As grandparents, we now return to the US to start over with nothing, only the debt required to finish here as best we can, however imperfectly.. Judging from our limited perspectives, no matter how fulsomely degreed, experienced, erudite is problematic for all of us.. Good discussion, awesome discussion, but please bend down in the garden and get good soil into your fingernails again. That is the accumulated star-dust that God made us from. We cannot know what we are unequiped to know. Judgement must be God's because none of us has perspective great enough to comprehend even the intricacies of our own hearts let alone even one other person. Let God be God. We don't want that job. As Children.. Run with hands up in joy and trust to God as God's children.. No one else has truth big enough. Peace, Blessings, and thank you ever..
Dennis is partly RIGHT! Rom 2:6,7 and John 5:28,29 say we will be judged by our works (many other passages support this). God first MAKES us righteous (the greek word translated "justify" literally means "to make righteous") when we are born again through faith so that we are "outfitted" to do good works - but it is our works, at the final Judgement, that are judged.
"Not all who say Lord, Lord will be saved." Very true.
The way it was explained to me is that I don't do good works, God does good works through me.
So how do you explain good deeds by people who do not believe in Jesus' divinity or any of that stuff...
@@Simon_Alexnder The Scripture doesn't insist that non-Christians don't do good works. In fact, the first Gentile convert in Acts 10 had a reputation for good deeds and Peter said that "God accepts those who do what is right."
@@brain1fluff Maybe, but there's a of emphasis by Paul, Peter, and James on doing good works as though we are the initiators them.
Integrity is what's important.
Faith without works is dead. Faith comes first. The order matters!
Faith without works is dead, couldn't agree more. But the order you have established is not a hard and fast rule. There are people who start behaving (performing works of good) as though they have belief, but they have lived their lives without knowing God and find the act of belief itself may elude them, forcing them to stay the course until their heart can follow. Faith typically comes before works, true. But there are many people who feel a need to do what is right and good, and through doing that, their internal spark of the divine will lead them Home to The Father. In this way, The Lord uses the works that we do to shape our beliefs of the world, as much as our beliefs might inform our actions.
One way of approaching the question would be: If someone watched your every act, big and small, as you walked through your life, what conclusion would they draw? Would they say, "There goes a man who knows The Lord" or would they see just selfish person who excretes good only as a byproduct of unconscious functions. Sometimes you might not be aware of your actions until someone points out that you've been living your whole lives just as a religious person might, you would start to reevaluate your relationship to the divine.
Quick example:
Let's say that a man does not believe in math. He has said that you can't believe in the existence of math because you can't see or touch or feel numbers, yet as he grows into maturity, the man discovers that he uses math every time he throws a ball or purchases a product or if ever he cooks or tries to see how long it is from "here to there". Eventually the evidence of the existence of math - not in a physical, tactile form but in a meta-physical manner that makes it true and exists across all time and is coded directly into our functions, all this would be too much for the logical man. He actions and usage in the very things he claims not to believe in is a system that he (in practice) believes in his every day life.
@KaufmanHousehold-tx6tc Faith comes from the Latin word Fidelis translated means loyal, trustful, truthful. The truth matters because Jesus is truth. Cults put works before a trust in the truth (faith). Jim Jones said drink the coolaid truth be damned. Joseph Smith trust the Book of Mormon, truth be damned.
@Jozeemoss your point is as irrelevant as it is correct.
Hebrews 11:6
And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who draws near to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him.
Dennis is 100 percent correct
Short answer is ur Works definitely matter. They validate ur faith, so without works you don’t even have faith no matter how much u profess to believe in Jesus
If you are counting on your works in any way, you aren't trusting in Christ alone. Our works are done of love not fear or to prove anything. Repent of dead works towards the gospel of grace
@ you missed the point. The Bible says faith without works is dead. So if all u have of faith and the lord but have no works you don’t even have faith. Ur faith is fake.
@@vman9347 Agreed
Correct. Heaven on earth is what? The sheep coming together and doing good deeds
Romans 2:12-16 deserves consideration,it fits this topic.
Then also is the parable of the 'Good Samaritan'.
...add Rom 2:6,7
Matthew 21:28-32
The Parable of the Two Sons
28 “What do you think? There was a man who had two sons. He went to the first and said, ‘Son, go and work today in the vineyard.’
29 “‘I will not,’ he answered, but later he changed his mind and went.
30 “Then the father went to the other son and said the same thing. He answered, ‘I will, sir,’ but he did not go.
31 “Which of the two did what his father wanted?”
“The first,” they answered.
Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you. 32 For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him.
Just need Bishop Barron and Pageau :)
Facts the west think belief is a thought and not an action. The chief rulers even believed on him but were cowards and didn’t follow him and picked up their cross.
Jhn 12:42 Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue:
Jhn 12:43 For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.
If "God is Love", then God loves everyone you should love everyone.
Absolutely
100% it's sad there are so many homeless people. It's like we forget about least one of mine
I traveled to Los Angeles, @ the you tube theater. Great show sir! Appreciate your good works
Both are required in the correct measure, but they are not mutually exclusive if you consider that all are children of the Most High. He likely prefers the conduct of the moral non-believer, but they will not be saved by their works alone. Likewise, the poorly behaved genuine believer will be saved by their belief and not condemned by their works.
The caveat here is a genuine acceptance of Messiah, and not intentionally working things contrary to Him. You can be a lost fool, but you cannot be lawlessly evil.
Both things must be in concert to please God. Faith without works is dead. Works without faith are fruitless. Works done in false pretense are no different than vanities, and result in a rebuke. Read Matthew chapter 7 for clarity on this matter.
Someone who calls themselves and believer, yet acts against their belief constantly and disregards the word of God and his teachings, is not much of a believer at all. Actions and their word must align. If you're a saint in your actions, yet don't believe in God, you are only doing it for yourself, yet if you say you believe in God, then do the opposite of what God commands of you, you are actively working against the God you claim to believe.
Jesus died for our sins because even the believer who's action align with God can never act perfectly in God image. Jesus' sacrifice was not a free pass to do as you will. If you truly believe in your heart, you will naturally do your best to act in accordance and when you falter it will be a moment of weakness that you will know and feel, and is what repentance and Jesus's acceptance and reliquishment of our sins are for.
Yes the believer is saved over the non-believer, but the believer who actively works against God is no true believer in their heart. Only the individual can know their own fate, their words mean nothing without the honest belief.
@@dartskihutch4033 Well said!
@@ikeyoung982 thank you )
Romans 3, Psalm 14 there is none that does good.
Mark 10:18 only God is good.
John 14:9 Christ is one with the Father.
John 15:5 Apart from Christ we can bear no (good) fruit.
Titus 3:5-7 were not saved by our righteous deeds but by the washing of regeneration and the renewing of the Holy Spirit.
Romans 3:31 we establish the law through faith.
James 2:18 faith (trust) in God produces works.
Ezek 36:25, Galatians 2:20 the works produced by Christ in us.
Matthew 5:17 Jesus the Christ fulfilled the law.
Hebrews 3:3 For this man is greater than Moses.
Hebrews 4:10 “For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.”
Hebrews 4 says enter into His rest. On the 7th day God rested from His “GOOD” works, (Mark 2:27-28 “And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.”)
Romans 5:12 Adam’ sin brought death . Hebrew 4 God then prepared another day, saying today if you hear His voice do not harden your hearts. Therefore let us fear lest we should come short of entering His rest.
Romans 5:19 Christ’ righteousness brought life. Hebrews 4:8 there remains a rest for the people of God.
Man keeps going about trying to establish His own righteousness. Dennis and all at the table are missing the mark.
John 14:6 I Am the way.
💯
I wish Bishop Barron would get the chance to talk more. Jp should stop hogging the space
Jordan Peterson originally brought me to God, Christ connected me with god
JP is the only guy with anything interesting to say about God.
This is a clip of a 2+ hour session lol just watch it all
Respectfully, without JP this conversation likely wouldn’t be happening; let alone available for free for anyone to watch anytime
Peterson knows absolutely nothing about the Gospel. I can’t even listen to him talk about it. He starts blabbering about clinical psychology and seems afraid of the challenge of Jesus’ teachings.
Why are we even debating this? Our love for Christ naturally leads to us doing good work. The Grace of God leads us to do good work.
Look at the world and the amount of homeless people. It's sad and the sheep know it's wrong infront of the father
One is a Christian at heart, the one who does good is more of a Christian than the one who remains evil although believes
It's like using the bible to go to war or racists preaching the gospel like putting up pictures of Jesus's christ as a white man etc
For many years I took pride in my good works and leaned on them for status before God. At least, that is, untill God slowly broke through to me and showed me my pride upon pride. The works and righteousness I lived by were impressive by all standards I knew of, but I was an arrogant pharisee and blind to my chief sin of pride. If we say works matter to God more than belief, unfortunately that position itself illustrates pride and likely blindness to our greatest sin, the root if all sins, the sin of pride. Now there are works that please God and glorify him, but these works flow from an individual who first trusts (has faith) in the perfect Lamb of God and the finished work he offers up for us. Works that truly glorify God flow from this faith and also simultaneously demonatrate that your faith is real. I pray you may know the amazing peace and rest for your soul that comes when you trust in His works alone, and not your own.
If the blood of Jesus is a "metaphor", we're all toast.
If Zeus didn't comment lightning we're all toast.
If Muhammad didn't split the noon wee all test
Amen! Been thinking this about way about the way they are dividing the word of God.
@@jasonharris2291 You gotta love vampiric cults
..they're the best
Faith without works is dead. Prots just want to feel good without helping anyone.
It also must suck for everyone who died before Christ and never met a single Jew or heard of God's covenant, according to Protestants, they just didn't make it.
William Tyndale addressed this succinctly: “Faith justifies before God; and the same faith, by love, works in the sight of man.”
Yes. To say "We are justified apart from works" and "We are justified by works" is a contradiction. In what sense we are justified in those two instances must be qualified and I think Tyndale makes the correct disticntion. Paul (in his theological discourse on the righteousness of God) is talking about justification before God and James (in his practical applications of the Christian life in the world) is talking about justification before men. Which is actually the same distinction Paul makes in Romans 4:2: "If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about-but not before God."
The rest, I believe, want to qualify Paul's "works" as something different than Jame's "works"; in other words, they will argue that "works" refers only to the Torah and not good works in general.
0:50 "I'm very Jewish in that way uh and yet I am told, I have been told hundreds of times, uh Dennis they don't matter your works are like filthy Rags" Is this an allusion to the self-hypnotic nature of beliefs? The fantasy-of-knowing inherent in language regardless of place or race? Was hypnotism practiced in the ancient mystery schools and is the resurrection about the experience of crucifying the personal ego of our developed mind & resurrecting the 'sensory' nature of being we are all born with? Is it very telling that this so-called inquiry into the value of the Gospels in conducted 'exclusively' by men? And is the Nazarene story about the truth that sets us free, the best reality-wise story about humanity upon the cross of space-time told thus far, in humanity's evolving history?
Who writes this?
@@jas.15311 David Bates, a 72 year seeker of experiential wisdom, through experiences that are older than humanity, like the earth-turning reality of being-in-time. Which I believe is the riddle of the empty tomb given voice in the chapter 16 original ending of Mark's gospel, with its existential question: "Is the Cosmos a Womb or a Tomb?" Does the women fleeing the empty tomb and telling no one signify our precious Ego's fear of the truth about the fantasy-of-knowing inherent in spoken language, regardless of place or race?
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A phenomenal series! Thank you.
We will all be judged according to our actions and the desires of our hearts.
Good deeds for heaven is it not? Least one of mine 🙏
When no lands nor lots, nor houses, nor friendships at stake. When no mobs to mock you and you have no cross to take. Peterson thy faith the Son of Man recognize! Be gentle unto the comforter dwelling within thee! The HELPER "i" Am.
Belief is required for salvation.
Works are required for faith.
Can you have belief without faith?
Let’s listen to JESUS
LIKE THE FATHER COMMANDS
John 6 v 29 The Definitive Answer!
@@P.H.888So believe in Jesus and just wait for death?
faith is required for salvation
faith doesn't require work, u just blindly believe, that's literally the definition of faith, belief without evidence, so you don't require any work to have faith.
@ Then how do you explain James 2:14-17?
Someone who already does good and continues so is already a bastion of hope and light in the world. Yet when a sinner changes his ways and does good, there is less evil in the world. Remember Christianity is less about being good and rather about having a lack of evil. A sinner is someone who "misses" the point which is what the word sin means, to miss. Yet there is an abscence of good in evil as opposed to an abundance of evil in the sinner.
its a question that doesnt have to be answered. nobody has to live in either state. we all know the clear best is the believer who does good. so pursue it.
The bible is disproven in the very first page lol
@ ?
the problem is some segments of Christianity have corrupted the references to 'works'. in context, this is works of the law- they have no salvatic value. However, Charity and love and mercy do have merit.
I love you with all my heart Jordan❤
First comment
Wrong. Love God first
The fact that salvation is “not of works” doesn’t equate to “works don’t matter.” They do matter. However, salvation is solely by grace through faith alone.
Works is important because our book of life is judged off it
"..for they have received their reward in full"
What's being referred to are works of "Faith". Faith in known promises of God. Faith accounts for righteousness. That's why doing works according to "goodness/deeds" are considered filthy rags. There's no righteousness in that. That's why there's no contradiction.
"For it is by grace that you have been saved, through faith, and this is not of your own doing, it is the gift of God, NOT a result of WORKS so that no one may boast"
-Ephesians 2:8-9
So your works don't matter and are like filthy rags, in regards to being SAVED. Works don't save you, the only thing that saves you is JESUS.
So if you are relying on your works to be "good enough" to enter Heaven you will be eternally disappointed.
"Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.""
-John 14:6
When the prophet Isaiah said "our righteousness are as filthy rags" which means that human righteousness cannot save someone from their sins, Isaiah isn't saying that we shouldn't practice righteousness, he's saying don't depend on it but on God's righteousness which is Jesus.
Crazy how Bibleproject just went through the sermon on the mount and now JP is going through the gospels. Would be awesome to see Tim Mackie and JP talk ancient context and ancient truths through their mythology and stories
Not really that crazy
I pray with all my soul for Jordan. Were he to become Catholic like Tammy, I’d still pray as much for him if not more. Send up your Rosaries for Jordan and Tammy!
Me being an atheist I remember an old co-worker years ago asked me what do I believe in I simply said being a good person he told me that wasn't good enough I said oh well its good enough for me
Proverbs 3:7-Be not wise in your own eyes; fear the LORD, and turn away from evil.
Psalm 111:10-The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom; all those who practice it have a good understanding. His praise endures forever!
@firstorder438 i never understood why us humans should have to fear him
Youd think if an all loving god required you believe he exists as a criteria to not fry forever, he’d be decent enough to show himself to everyone so theyre sure hes real
@nathaniel5261 or saying we have to live in fear of him
@@MrStreetninja007btw if you’re curious “fear” of God in the Hebrew actual means something along the lines of reverence and awe with submission involved. Not genuine fear and terror. So like a respect for authority.
"Behold, the Lord esteemeth all flesh in one; he that is righteous is favored of God..." Believing in God certainly makes it easier to learn to be like him, which is what it means to be righteous. But you can sincerely do the best you know without explicitly believing in him and such will also gain the favor of God. And more than those that know to do good and do not, for this is sin.
Psalm 53:2-3 - "God looks down from heaven on the children of man to see if there are any who understand, who seek after God. They have all fallen away; together they have become corrupt; there is none who does good, not even one.
John 15:5 - "I am the vine; you are the branches. Whoever abides in me and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing."
We are saved from slavery to sin, and freed to do good works prepared for us in advance. This is the beauty of the Gospel: that God is author of all transformation and fruit in me, enabled by Christ on the cross. I can only thank Him for His free gift of grace.
Yes, but we also have to accept the unearned grace willingly. For example, God may gift me with the grace of wanting to spend time with Him in prayer daily. God has also given me the gift of free will (however, limited it may be) to act on this unearned grace of wanting to pray daily. Eventually, the grace may disappear if I do not pray daily (or at least more days than not).
I recently heard a priest say that when one accepts a grace through an appropriate act of the will, God will then be more likely to give them more graces. It's like when a parent gives a child a gift, and the child gives thanks and makes the best of the gift; We are then more likely to give that child a gift in the future. Accordingly, many great saints accomplished unthinkable amounts of good in their lives because they willingly and thankfully accepted God's grace, stone by stone. Sometimes these graces require action on our part, and other necessary times a lack of action. For example, Jesus sometimes told Mother Angelika to not act on an opportunity that she would normally act upon, as she was a go-getter. Sooner or later the grace of sitting it out typically bore greater fruit during her earthly life than she could even imagine.
I am speaking as a sinner who has failed in this many times.
@@sebwoz8766 We do have to accept the unearned grace willingly. But we will! It is God alone who gives us the will to do so. And He does not fail to complete that work in us. "My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand." (John 10:27-28) Did the grace disappear when David committed adultery? Or when Abraham went down to Egypt? Or when Samson went off track with Delilah? Free yourself! "For by grace you HAVE BEEN saved through faith, and this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God". (Eph 2:8) Prayer is a gift from God as a result of Christ's completed work, for us to appreciate and worship Him. Relax, enjoy and bear much fruit! : )
(And I do not mean to endorse sin here. We are saved from sin. "Whoever says, 'I know Him,' but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person." (1 John 2:4) But His grace is always enough when we stumble. "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness." (1 John 1:9))
@@sebwoz8766 We do have to accept the unearned grace willingly. But we will! It is God alone who gives us the will to do so. And He does not fail to complete that work in us. "My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand." (John 10:27-28) Did the grace disappear when David committed adultery? Or when Abraham went down to Egypt? Or when Samson went off track with Delilah? Free yourself! "For by grace you HAVE BEEN saved through faith, and this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God". (Eph 2:8) Prayer is a gift from God as a result of Christ's completed work, for us to appreciate and worship Him. Relax, enjoy and bear much fruit! : )
(And I do not mean to endorse sin here. We are saved from sin. "Whoever says, 'I know Him,' but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person." (1 John 2:4) But His grace is always enough when we stumble. "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness." (1 John 1:9))
Paraphrased: Does God prefer the one who does all things good except the one thing he asks of him, or the one who messes everything up but does the one thing he asks of him?
God doesn't have favorites, he only see's the good and the bad for what it is.
Correct and we are judge off our book of life. Our good deeds on earth as it is in heaven
"Virtue is it's own reward".
Would love to see Frank Turek or John Lennox on this panel!
I second John Lennox.
8:10 Since we’re made in God’s image, and He’s trinitarian in one, so are we:
The Father: Mind
The Son: Body
The Holy Spirit: Soul
Society pretends that we can separate these, as it is the perfect excuse to justify sin.
That’s why we often hear: “I slept with someone but it meant nothing”, or just like drug lords do at times, that they give away toys, food, cars and plenty of stuff to poor people, so they gain their favor, and even protect them… That’s why the three things should be aligned with good, since we can’t detach one from the other.
Righteousness is accredited by faith. Not by works
Our book of life is judged by our works on earth. 🙏
Ecclesiastes 10:14 ESV
[14] A fool multiplies words, though no man knows what is to be, and who can tell him what will be after him?
People who “don’t believe” and yet bear the fruits of the Spirit have more *faith* than people who “believe” and hardly bear the fruits of the Spirit at all.
Protestant liberalism nonsense.
You cannot bear fruits of the Spirit if you have not believed. You do not have the spirit of God unless you believe. If a person dies without believing on Jesus, they will die and go to hell.
Thats what the Bible says !
@@charliefagan2809the bible say that christians and god will judge the ones without faith and everyone else during apocalipse. They don't go to hell immediatly
@charliefagan2809 The Bible is not God....the Bible is just a record and history about some people whom God has used in the past....The Bible is an inspiration
@@IITIMOTHY the Bible is the Word of God. If you read it, it says it itself.
It was given BY inspiration of God. All scripture, every verse, chapter and book is given by God, it is His word.
2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
Please just read the Bible, without Jp or someone else as a commentary,
Jesus said in John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever BELIEVETH in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
You must believe on Jesus or you will perish.
What Dennis is saying cannot be true if God is our father. My child is much more pleasing to me and gets to enjoy the goodness of my house even when they disobey me over a really good and obedient kid down the block who not my child. It’s the relationship that defines Gods pleasure in us.
The sad reality is the average person shows their pets and stray animals more love and compassion than God does for us.
Don't hog the conversation Jordan.
Actions define beliefs. We may fall short in sin, but it’s no good excuse.
This whole series can be summarized with:
Matthew 11:25-29 NIV. At that time Jesus said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children."
Useless over-intellectualizatuon
Christianity has a incredibly rich intellectual tradition and it's clear you've never even so far as dipped your toe in it. There is room for both predispositions. Theology is secondary to praxis, but you do not go to the grandma at the back of the church for your theological understanding. simple faith is okay, but it isn't satisfactory in the modern day.
People do make god a bit complicated. 😅 we are all made in his image 🙏
Prager is almost spot on in regard to works. The works are essential, however, at the same time no amount of works is sufficient to cover man's transgressions. Only by the grace of God and the sacrifice of the Son is one made worthy of the Kingdom. Jesus paid the price of our freedom from sin and our works alone are not sufficient. Galatians 3:13, Colossians 1:14, Colossians 2:13-14.
James 2:14-26
14What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? 15If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, 16and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what goodb is that? 17So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
18But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. 19You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe-and shudder! 20Do you want to be shown, you foolish person, that faith apart from works is useless? 21Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up his son Isaac on the altar? 22You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by his works; 23and the Scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”-and he was called a friend of God. 24You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone. 25And in the same way was not also Rahab the prostitute justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out by another way? 26For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead.
Dr. Mathew Bates argues that the best current word to translate Pistus as it is most commonly used in the New Testament is loyalty.
Who's the man on the end on the right? He has such a positive energy
Too often, we view things from the perspective of this life, not eternity. That's why many feel that God allows or even does bad things. God doesn't mind when our journey has pain if it leads us to Him.
In Luke 11 “Which of you fathers, if your son asks for a fish, will give him a snake instead?12Or if he asks for an egg, will give him a scorpion?13If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!”
God knows what you're about. We can only know this with the help of the Holy Spirit, but most of the time, it's none of our business. Yes, I need to bear fruit and remember that all of my fruit is worthless without love.
This panel completely misses the point of the question. Very unfortunate.
if you believe there is some impartial and rationally deductible objective “good” you are already invoking something qualitatively identical to God in your value judgements
GREAT debate!
What makes One a believer?
Good question.
The bible says to repent and believe but as I examine scripture I don't believe that we are supposed to do - able to do - either of these things DIRECTLY.
Salvation is justification and sanctification.
Justification is CHOOSING to receive the grace that is Christ's dying and rising for our sin (Titus 2:11) resulting in the GIFT of faith (John 3:16 - the believing in this verse is not about choosing to believe something that is already true for it to then be true - nothing is ever true only if we believe it is!)
Sanctification is the converse (it switches grace and faith around). It is CHOOSING to place faith in God (Heb 11:6) with God then giving us the GIFT of grace (Romans 5:2) - the gift of grace being the ability to repent/obey (Acts 11:18, 2 Tim 2:25).
So then - the way we are able to believe is to first choose to receive grace.
And the way we are able to repent is to first choose to place faith in God.
Just believing that christ died for your sins and repent to the father you are saved. Doesn't need to be complex
Without Faith your good works account to nothing,Hebrews 11:6.God is not pleased by mere good works but he is pleased by our trust in him and he reveals himself to those who trust in him that is the reward
An issue (non-belief and so many competing religions/sects) that would NOT exist if god, actually being consistent with his all loving nature, showed himself and just made his existence obvious to everyone in the world rather than deliberately hiding and making everything look as if hes not there.
Jesus?
Faith is unseen. God is alive you can talk to the father. We sinned so we separated ourselves
I think faith is used in two ways: 1) Belief and 2) Faithfulness (or Fidelity). Being saved by Faith (Belief) does not exclude the necessity of Faith (Fidelity), which is exemplified through obedience (works). James clearly state that "a person is justified by works and not by faith alone", but we in the Western Hemisphere Christianity seem choose Paul (see Romans 3:28 and Ephesians 2:8 & 9) over James because it goes against our theology of faith alone. Such attitude or posture gives way to a belief system that places obedience as a unnecessary choice.
I am a fan of Dr. Peterson, he has helped me immensely. My only critique is when it comes to the Bible is he often over thinks things. Sometimes it’s simple it is what it says, with no deep hidden meaning. He sometimes removes to personal aspect of the gospel. Bishop Barron knows better
I think often the people who are genuinely spiritual and concerned with the merit of their own souls rarely if ever impose their spiritual beliefs and faith onto others, they simply lead their lives with an aim at virtue, without religion ever being attributed as a motivation or footnote.
In line with this conversation, I was recently reflecting on an encounter I had with a pronouncedly pious individual at a casual open mic playing music with other people, himself included - I don't know what compelled him, but after the night finished and the group was leaving and chatting, he started to wield religion against other people and myself, who were discussing our performances or perhaps who he thought had done better than him. It wasn't a religious function and religion was never discussed, until he started to attribute peoples capability and skill to something like sin or a moral flaw in his eyes. Really I saw it as him using religion for his own pride, ego, and insecurity - and I think religion is all too often utilized in this way, as a false sense of authority, superiority, or self-righteousness.
Thanks
Holy Spirit move in them and in us. Help them and us believe!
We don’t act, we follow
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Jesus says faith without works is dead faith. A verse most Christians are unaware of or just outright ignore
There is zero salvation without faith or without works in said faith. The offer for salvation is there, but it has very specific and reiterated conditions.