I just appreciate how Rest of the World voted for Aijā (8 points, more than for Tatto) and it shows how people all around the world recognized how Latvia underrated is (even they have not big diaspora outside the EU)! Eaea, Future Lover, Évidemment and Duje had some necessary love in the Grand Final too! Generally I really loved how they voted!
I think we can start talking about diaspora bias if the same countries with huge immigrant populations start getting in the ROTW vote every year. Maybe 5 years from now we can identify clear patterns. As of right now, it's just speculation.
While Armenia does have a big diaspora, I don't think anyone can say that that was the only factor driving up Brunette's points in the rest of the world. R&B seems to be much more popular in the states than in Europe. So while "Future Lover" got panned by some europeans for being niche and kinda weird sounding, it's probably one of the only songs from this year's contest I could imagine getting radio play here. Sometimes tastes are different in other places
Noa Kirel's song and performance incorporated some K-Pop elements. Therefore, I thought that, given the genre's immense global popularity, it was one of the factors contributing to Israel receiving the highest score. I also agree William that Israel, Armenia, and Albania could've made it to the top due to the significant population from those countries sharing the same religion and culture living around the globe. And if I'm not mistaken, there are more Albanians living abroad than in Albania.
Greetings from Brazil! 🇧🇷 In the final, I voted for Finland and Australia! I couldn't vote in the first and second semis, but I would totally have given my 20 points to Latvia and I was really proud the Rest of the World appreciated it. I just thought the vote from the Rest of the World was reallyyy expensive. One single vote cost more than a bus ticket here! 😱
I totally agree with the last statement. We should get the disaggregated results per countries, but rather to know if our votes in Latin America are of enough weight or if we are instead diluted into votes from other more largely populated and wealthier regions. Casting a vote for us is quite expensive (I only voted 10 times due it's costs) and is quite nonsensical to do it if, for example, we are competing against China or India's vote. That could be a reason for why they don't disclose the extended results, but if that's the case, they could revise that (probably by weighting the results with the total population of each country) in order to make the votes more representative of the worldwide taste. Greetings from Argentina! P.S. I'm actually venezuelan, so it was nice to see that you have my country very much in mind haha.
Loved being able to vote in Eurovision this year! It’s hard to say that votes are diaspora based vs having similar cultural and musical tastes. My family in New Zealand loved the Australian entry, not because they are close to our country, and we certainly don’t come from Australia….we just really loved the song.
I'd be curious to see the differences between the SF ROTW voters and the Final ROTW voters. I'd suspect that the SF ROTW voters may be a tad more representative of the "fandom" vs the final's votes. For example, Latvia being a niche fan favourite that grew on a lot of people in the fandom.
I was very disappointed that the ROWV was not announced during the show, like the votes from the participating countries. Well, the people, who could have done it, could be the hosts or specially invited celebrities. And the organisers could have made a real act out of the ROWV presentation.
In the end when Deban says Spain could have more points from Latin America...GIRL I TRIED FOR 2 YEARS, FOR 2 YEARS HUNTEY! I tried livestreaming Benidorm in 2022 and 2023 and I had people from all over Latin America in my stream, I am talking Colombia, Peru, Argentina, Brasil; Chili etc, plus people from Middle America like Costa Rica and Mexico. RTVE needs to get with the times and Open Up to Ruben Reacts (one of the best slogans of Eurovision for several reasons ). I was even dancing my ass off and giving a free show promoting RTVE and for people from Latin America to enjoy on my channel and on this free platform we call RUclips
I agree with William! I have been waiting to see a detailed list of who these non-participating countries voted for. I guess the numbers were not super impressive (maybe less than 10k votes?) so ESC doesn't want to create a conversation that could undermine The Rest of the World vote.
I think they should do a ROW per continent each with 20% weight and then basing the aggregated score according to it. This way less “bias” is resulted.
Diaspora and connection to a specific country is absolutely a factor, just a matter of if it's 0.01% of the factor or more significant. Diaspora isn't going to win you top points alone (unless the field is so even), but it can offer a boost.
I think Latvia got 8 points from the ROTW because Latvia was a huge fan favorite on Eurovision reddit specifically, and they all wanted it to go through. So they all bought votes for it, including me. I think the ROTW in the semi's could be dominated by Eurovision fans.
The RoW vote should have more power because there are multiple countries voting in the RoW, yet they still have the same power as Germany or San Marino. It also elevates countries that don't really have a diaspora to hope for when recieving points. While yes I do agree with keeping the jury, giving RoW more power, there would more power for the televote. Tough, these are only my toughts so don't take me seriously.
It probably takes a couple of years before we can establish a powerful diaspora vote, for example through recurring (high) points regardless of the results by the viewers. And then it is unclear to me whether a strong diaspora vote would be problematic. It is only one result out of (hopefully) 40, if you include jury votes one out of 80. It probably won't spoil the contest but it is an extra revenue stream that might come in handy.
I'm a Latin American eurofan and I can say that just because we speak the same language it doesn't mean we will vote for Spain. The relation between LATAM and Spain isn't the same as Greece and Cyprus. In the last 10 years, if the ROW would've been implemented before, we would've only voted for SloMo and La Venda. Most of us like upbeat, summer and reggaeton feel with lots of dancing songs. Now, take a look of what songs Spain has sent. Flamenco (Eaea) is a style that we are familiar with, for obvious reason, but it doesn't mean we like it or it's popular here. Also, nowadays, lots of people here know English too, so the language thing isn't as important as it would've been in the 90's or 2000's. Although if Spain send a good that really make us vote for it, we'd do it. But stop saying Spain is gonna win the ROW voting because of LATAM. Before the contest, I watched videos of people saying taht and I was like Yall don't know sh*t about us 😅😂. It will depend of the song.
I'm part of the 'rest of the world' but, I am not sure we should continue voting, 'cause I think there weren't so many votes to make it really significative in the results
i think that voting numbers in rest of the world were significantly lower than in participating countries and the rotw vote is more alligned with the opinions of eurovision fans on social media
I think in the end the result wasn't biased because of diaspora/ migration. I was a bit worried though. Maybe Poland ended up in the final because of that but we only have one answer: Finland! I've had years where you could have predicted the juryscores (2000 - 2010 especially) but the last years it's changing. RoW has little impact on the results and should stay because of the feeling of it: we can vote. You're part of it. Being from the Netherlands I've rooted for Lithuania, Ukrain, Spain..... I really hope in this time of turmoil we can still hold on to thiis feeling. ESC is getting more commercial but the community isn't. I think we should go for 'cultural heritage'!
Majority of Eurovision fans don't care about JESC, people have only starting reacting to JESC maybe in the last 3-4 years. They don't have to jump on the band wagon just because others have
We have a more broad taste in the ROTW in my opinion. I remember watching ESC2016 and commenting with other Canadians that the Germany entry would not end last if we were the ones voting. I do think diaspora plays a role but not much.
From Canada: SF1: 2 votes to Netherlands, 2 votes to Switzerland SF2: 2 votes to Belgium, 2 votes to Slovenia Final: 10 votes to Belgium, 10 votes to France
just sharing the voting results from China esc lovers in rankings 1.Sweden 2.Finland 3.Italy 4.Austria 5.Moldova 6.Cyprus 7.Slovenia 8.Spain 9.Estonia 10.Serbia Actually not a surprising result For me ROTW voting gave me the chance to support Armenia and Slovenia also Serbia
C´mon Deban, i understand you like Armenian´s song but clearly they came 3rd in the ROTW vote bc of the diaspora...Israel, Armenia and Albania will pretty much always be in the top 10 of the ROTW vote, unless the song is really bad or they don´t qualify. I´d love to see how each country voted, maybe not show the votes bc of perhaps low amount of votes but rather the % of just their top 3?
Blaming it all on diaspora wouldn‘t be too fair as there is also Diaspora of certain countries within europe and these origin countries don’t always necessary do well in every year. Maybe it is a mix though with the most Important element being how much the Diaspora also likes their own song
Do you think there should be a world song contest because the rest of the world is voting now I think it should as there is a lot of music out there to see❤
Israel won because eurovision is like a concert and to win those votes it showed kpop elements its basically like a halftime show super bowl concert. to win those votes you rally the audience.
I just appreciate how Rest of the World voted for Aijā (8 points, more than for Tatto) and it shows how people all around the world recognized how Latvia underrated is (even they have not big diaspora outside the EU)!
Eaea, Future Lover, Évidemment and Duje had some necessary love in the Grand Final too!
Generally I really loved how they voted!
Hi from Mexico! I'm Mexican, not related to any Europe country. I voted for Finland. ¡Loco! 🎉🇫🇮
You are most likely related
ESC has lots of fans in Latin America, but it's a mistake to assume we're gonna vote for Spain just because.
Deban made a LOT of wrong assumptions in this video, some of which were downright offensive.
I think we can start talking about diaspora bias if the same countries with huge immigrant populations start getting in the ROTW vote every year. Maybe 5 years from now we can identify clear patterns. As of right now, it's just speculation.
Preach
While Armenia does have a big diaspora, I don't think anyone can say that that was the only factor driving up Brunette's points in the rest of the world. R&B seems to be much more popular in the states than in Europe. So while "Future Lover" got panned by some europeans for being niche and kinda weird sounding, it's probably one of the only songs from this year's contest I could imagine getting radio play here. Sometimes tastes are different in other places
Noa Kirel's song and performance incorporated some K-Pop elements. Therefore, I thought that, given the genre's immense global popularity, it was one of the factors contributing to Israel receiving the highest score. I also agree William that Israel, Armenia, and Albania could've made it to the top due to the significant population from those countries sharing the same religion and culture living around the globe. And if I'm not mistaken, there are more Albanians living abroad than in Albania.
Greetings from Brazil! 🇧🇷
In the final, I voted for Finland and Australia! I couldn't vote in the first and second semis, but I would totally have given my 20 points to Latvia and I was really proud the Rest of the World appreciated it.
I just thought the vote from the Rest of the World was reallyyy expensive. One single vote cost more than a bus ticket here! 😱
So happy to see this duo back!!!
Thank you so much. We are happy to be here -- and to have you watching!
I really want the "rest of the world" votes to stay ❤ Eurovision is for everyone
Well said Anne!
I totally agree with the last statement. We should get the disaggregated results per countries, but rather to know if our votes in Latin America are of enough weight or if we are instead diluted into votes from other more largely populated and wealthier regions. Casting a vote for us is quite expensive (I only voted 10 times due it's costs) and is quite nonsensical to do it if, for example, we are competing against China or India's vote. That could be a reason for why they don't disclose the extended results, but if that's the case, they could revise that (probably by weighting the results with the total population of each country) in order to make the votes more representative of the worldwide taste.
Greetings from Argentina!
P.S. I'm actually venezuelan, so it was nice to see that you have my country very much in mind haha.
Loved being able to vote in Eurovision this year! It’s hard to say that votes are diaspora based vs having similar cultural and musical tastes. My family in New Zealand loved the Australian entry, not because they are close to our country, and we certainly don’t come from Australia….we just really loved the song.
I'd be curious to see the differences between the SF ROTW voters and the Final ROTW voters. I'd suspect that the SF ROTW voters may be a tad more representative of the "fandom" vs the final's votes. For example, Latvia being a niche fan favourite that grew on a lot of people in the fandom.
I just hope I (an American) get to keep voting for future Eurovisions!!!!
We hope you do too!
I was very disappointed that the ROWV was not announced during the show, like the votes from the participating countries. Well, the people, who could have done it, could be the hosts or specially invited celebrities. And the organisers could have made a real act out of the ROWV presentation.
Wasn't the Rest of the World televote only? So, there isn't a spokesperson for any country for this.
In the end when Deban says Spain could have more points from Latin America...GIRL I TRIED FOR 2 YEARS, FOR 2 YEARS HUNTEY!
I tried livestreaming Benidorm in 2022 and 2023 and I had people from all over Latin America in my stream, I am talking Colombia, Peru, Argentina, Brasil; Chili etc, plus people from Middle America like Costa Rica and Mexico.
RTVE needs to get with the times and Open Up to Ruben Reacts (one of the best slogans of Eurovision for several reasons ).
I was even dancing my ass off and giving a free show promoting RTVE and for people from Latin America to enjoy on my channel and on this free platform we call RUclips
From El Salvador currently in USA I voted this year and I want to keep voting.
We would love to know how you voted!
I agree with William! I have been waiting to see a detailed list of who these non-participating countries voted for. I guess the numbers were not super impressive (maybe less than 10k votes?) so ESC doesn't want to create a conversation that could undermine The Rest of the World vote.
I bet you're right. Because if the numbers were huge, they'd be rushing to celebrate.
I prefer Aija over Verona too.
William Lee Adams has some decent taste.
AIJAAAAA
I think they should do a ROW per continent each with 20% weight and then basing the aggregated score according to it.
This way less “bias” is resulted.
Diaspora and connection to a specific country is absolutely a factor, just a matter of if it's 0.01% of the factor or more significant. Diaspora isn't going to win you top points alone (unless the field is so even), but it can offer a boost.
I think Latvia got 8 points from the ROTW because Latvia was a huge fan favorite on Eurovision reddit specifically, and they all wanted it to go through. So they all bought votes for it, including me. I think the ROTW in the semi's could be dominated by Eurovision fans.
The RoW vote should have more power because there are multiple countries voting in the RoW, yet they still have the same power as Germany or San Marino. It also elevates countries that don't really have a diaspora to hope for when recieving points. While yes I do agree with keeping the jury, giving RoW more power, there would more power for the televote. Tough, these are only my toughts so don't take me seriously.
Is there a school neasby and is it recess? What am i hearing in the background?
LOL. Yes, the apartment complex behind me has a basketball court and the kids were playing after school!
are you going to react to junior eurovision?
Guys, Georgia's entry for junior Eurovision is out ❤ waiting for your reaction ❤️🇬🇪
Israel, Finland and Armenia deserved 100%
All very memorable.
What do you you think of the kids eurovison 2023 in France this year especially the UK one I saw you have not reacted to the kids one this year ❤
Where can I find the 2024 rest of the world results?
I was thinking about that Now Kirel's song and performance gave some hints of kpop
A fantastic, international vibe!
It probably takes a couple of years before we can establish a powerful diaspora vote, for example through recurring (high) points regardless of the results by the viewers. And then it is unclear to me whether a strong diaspora vote would be problematic. It is only one result out of (hopefully) 40, if you include jury votes one out of 80. It probably won't spoil the contest but it is an extra revenue stream that might come in handy.
I'm a Latin American eurofan and I can say that just because we speak the same language it doesn't mean we will vote for Spain. The relation between LATAM and Spain isn't the same as Greece and Cyprus. In the last 10 years, if the ROW would've been implemented before, we would've only voted for SloMo and La Venda. Most of us like upbeat, summer and reggaeton feel with lots of dancing songs. Now, take a look of what songs Spain has sent. Flamenco (Eaea) is a style that we are familiar with, for obvious reason, but it doesn't mean we like it or it's popular here. Also, nowadays, lots of people here know English too, so the language thing isn't as important as it would've been in the 90's or 2000's. Although if Spain send a good that really make us vote for it, we'd do it. But stop saying Spain is gonna win the ROW voting because of LATAM. Before the contest, I watched videos of people saying taht and I was like Yall don't know sh*t about us 😅😂. It will depend of the song.
But there is something to be said that Simone Biles has Unicorn as her floor music...
A good point! Showing us her impeccable taste.
I'm part of the 'rest of the world' but, I am not sure we should continue voting, 'cause I think there weren't so many votes to make it really significative in the results
I do wonder if the RoW vote is larger than, say, San Marino...or maybe this year Luxembourg.
i think that voting numbers in rest of the world were significantly lower than in participating countries and the rotw vote is more alligned with the opinions of eurovision fans on social media
the same thing can be sorta seen in australias televote ranking
I think in the end the result wasn't biased because of diaspora/ migration. I was a bit worried though. Maybe Poland ended up in the final because of that but we only have one answer: Finland! I've had years where you could have predicted the juryscores (2000 - 2010 especially) but the last years it's changing. RoW has little impact on the results and should stay because of the feeling of it: we can vote. You're part of it. Being from the Netherlands I've rooted for Lithuania, Ukrain, Spain..... I really hope in this time of turmoil we can still hold on to thiis feeling. ESC is getting more commercial but the community isn't. I think we should go for 'cultural heritage'!
Off topic here, but when are you covering JESC. It might come as a shock but its on in a few weeks. This is a Eurovision channel after all.
Majority of Eurovision fans don't care about JESC, people have only starting reacting to JESC maybe in the last 3-4 years. They don't have to jump on the band wagon just because others have
ROTW voting is interesting for statistical reason but they do not have enough power to make me care more about if they should stay or go
We have a more broad taste in the ROTW in my opinion. I remember watching ESC2016 and commenting with other Canadians that the Germany entry would not end last if we were the ones voting. I do think diaspora plays a role but not much.
From Canada:
SF1: 2 votes to Netherlands, 2 votes to Switzerland
SF2: 2 votes to Belgium, 2 votes to Slovenia
Final: 10 votes to Belgium, 10 votes to France
just sharing the voting results from China esc lovers in rankings
1.Sweden 2.Finland 3.Italy 4.Austria 5.Moldova 6.Cyprus 7.Slovenia 8.Spain 9.Estonia 10.Serbia
Actually not a surprising result
For me ROTW voting gave me the chance to support Armenia and Slovenia also Serbia
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I’m in the US 🇺🇸and I loved being able to participate! I’m UK 🇬🇧diaspora and I voted for Norway 🇳🇴
C´mon Deban, i understand you like Armenian´s song but clearly they came 3rd in the ROTW vote bc of the diaspora...Israel, Armenia and Albania will pretty much always be in the top 10 of the ROTW vote, unless the song is really bad or they don´t qualify. I´d love to see how each country voted, maybe not show the votes bc of perhaps low amount of votes but rather the % of just their top 3?
Jiafei for eurovision 2024🥰😍✨✨
Oooo K-Pop queen 👸
God no...l
Blaming it all on diaspora wouldn‘t be too fair as there is also Diaspora of certain countries within europe and these origin countries don’t always necessary do well in every year. Maybe it is a mix though with the most Important element being how much the Diaspora also likes their own song
Очень приятно видеть вас в месте! Deban поднимает настроение, приятно его видеть🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🔥👍👍👍👍😉
I voted for Albania, Portugal and Spain. I have no connection to those places.
You know us Armenians 💅😂
Do you think there should be a world song contest because the rest of the world is voting now I think it should as there is a lot of music out there to see❤
Do u know anything about Romania? Hahah
Israel won because eurovision is like a concert and to win those votes it showed kpop elements its basically like a halftime show super bowl concert. to win those votes you rally the audience.
pls react to the new song from Loreen
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