I Made My Poker Table FURIOUS….and I Don’t Regret It! | Ep 5
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- Опубликовано: 10 ноя 2024
- Is $100/hr possible at low stakes poker? Marc Goone from Hungry Horse poker jumps into Episode 5 of a challenge where he sets out to play 200+ hours at the stakes where he started building his bankroll ($5/5 $1k cap) to see if astronomical win rates are possible in soft live poker games.
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Love how indepth you go into what you are thinking about each hand, super cool to hear your thought process in different spots!
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@@hungryhorsepokerYour content kicks ass, Marc. Thank you.
I’d be more upset at the guy who almost folded a BBJ hand, not the guy with the nuts trying to win the maximum
yeah really fuckin stupid of villain. I get if hero's kicker doesn't play there's no jackpot, but the potential to get 12k when your opponent has 50 combos of AT - AK makes it an obvious choice. Sometimes it'll be an A with no kicker and maybe JJ. But given the fact that it could still be a bluff AND half the time hero has a qualifying BBJ hand its a snap call. Ridiculous.
@@christopherredman2184 Its much more stupid of "hero" to make that bet that puts the JP in jeopardy.
@@KnowLoveMovement I see both sides of the argument. but for reasons i listed it would be really dumb for villain to fold TT when more than half of the hands that beat him are qualifying jackpot hands. You also beat missed hearts & counterfeit full houses. They're all lucky the floor didn't disqualify them for Goone saying "if he had a BBJ hand, it would already be in the middle" as that was a pretty obvious clue that they have one
Aces full of 10's have to be beat by a 4 of a kind of better. If our hero had JJ QQ or KK he just loses the pot and doesn't get the BBJ.
@@donaldcedar7574 ... I'm aware that those hands would not be jackpot, but hero never has KK or QQ. Those would unquestionably 4 bet given the dead $ and likelihood that he's ahead. JJ probably 4 bet as well since it will usually be difficult to play 4 handed postflop. So realistically villain is pretty much only afraid of A2-A8s hands. More combos of jackpot there. It's a no brainer with the big ass jackpot on the line. Like not even close to a fold.
“Trying to run the nut flush block or whatever that they had seen in some type of Doug Polk video” lmaooo
If your tablemates are upset that you jammed…you are at a GREAT table.
good point!
This. So much this. @hungryhorsepoker fun content
the single biggest leak in my game is always assuming the other player is smarter than they are, or at least using some degree of logic. That bad beat hand is a good reminder that people are fucking dumb.
So relatable lol
check most of the comments on this video if you need any further reassurance
@@hungryhorsepoker Yeah but what if you had A5 does the jackpot still hit, because that is what I would have been thinking cause you're 4 betting in that situation with AK almost 100% of the time! The reason I say that is because at MGM National Harbor in the DMV you have to use both cards. Having said that... if he calls and that's the case he loses all the way around because your 5 doesn't play!!! Just my thought!🤔 Great video BTW!!!
@@nicciblack2671 valid point
They all suck unless your playing 5/10 tbh
Dang the BBJ hand is funny, this is what happens at Live Poker though, lot of "experts" play the game, always know the right play after it happens, always know what you have, don't understand basic maths. Did the right thing, congrats on the win.
I'd love to see how you fare at these stakes in TX where 3 betting rarely matters. Love the content. Keep it up!
Forget the jackpot. Who eats a banana like that? Pure psychopath
wut do u mean
@@hungryhorsepoker nahh eating a bannana like that makes absolutely no sense, absolutely diabolical
Power move for sure 0:10
He was raised by chimps, they are banana connoisseurs 😝🙊
I won’t play with anyone who eats a banana like that. It’s some serious mind manipulation and I’m not good enough to overcome it.
Actually the best poker vlogs. Learning so more. Especially being so new to 2/5 and more
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Really enjoying this series!!!
These videos are worth their weight in gold. I *would* worry that they're going to make games tougher, but nobody believes them, and even if they did most people can't implement the strategies anyway.
It's well known that during the 1980's, when blackjack card counting was becoming a Thing, every time a new card counting book came out (even a very good one) casino blackjack profits went up. 😅
lee, don’t be worried - look at the comments here. most of these people are struggling mightily to breathe out of their nose.
If anything they will implement the strategies incorrectly and just spew all over the place. Might increase your variance but also your winrate.
So glad I found your new endeavor Goone. You were my favorite of the HCL commentators when I use to watch.
Really like your content and how you explain your methodology, even in your shorts. Keep up the good work! You just become one of my fav poker vloggers!
With the jackpot hand, I'm glad it worked out for you guys. But would have been funny too see what would have happened if the guy had 99, 88 or 9x which didn't qualify and ya'll essentially accidently colluded him into making the call 😂
He was NEVER calling with 99 or 88 since all Aces AND ALSO all pairs over 9s beats him. Too many winning combos to call an overbet Jam when you only beat a bluff.
@@gnoel5722 ya but if he didn't know about the bad beat jackpot and is wondering why your all strongly hinting at him calling then he might just call out of peer pressure anyways.
In my local casino games many of the weaker regs will fold everything except an A here facing this jam.
@@alexkolanis007I don't see why people should call less than an ace and maybe KK here anyway without bbj.I think it is an underbluffed spot and therefore makes sense to fold KK against most players. Pretty hard to find bluffs imo
@@NeuroticNOOB yep your right. In terms of the games I play anyways. In terms of the US games probably shouldn't be looking to fold these spots even vs regs.
honestly in the room where I play even discussing the BBJ while in a hand could invalidate the payout. you’re 100% right, play the game the best you can, pray your opponent can read, hope for the best
Some of your reasoning behind the exploits were actually very smart, you articulate your thought process really well too, but i can see when you are implementing these exploits into your understanding of the game and player tendencies i can see how 100 dollars an hour win rate in these stakes is deffo possible! WTG well played
That A2h vs trip Ks hand was amazing to watch and to hear your thought process. Great video
Hell ya! Great sessions. I love seeing the classic lines you are teaching have success here.
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I’ll say just this, running good and a proper bankroll has a lot to do with the winning rate, because inevitably we will run into fish and call stations type players.
Running good is important. But playing well while you run bad is important to. Proper sizing and disciplined folds can help pick you up even if you are losing.
If the BBJ here is exactly how you described, then you could still have some hands that beat him but don’t qualify. If he must be beat by quads, then the BBJ straddler isn’t thinking about winning the jackpot. He’s thinking about how much he’s going to lose when you roll over KK/QQ/JJ.
IF you count the double board PLO bomb pots you might as well count the BBJP. Love all the content.
i don’t think they’re equivalent, he can count the DBPLOBP because that’s poker, he counts the hand that won him the BBJP bc that’s poker, he doesn’t count the jackpot itself because that’s completely irrespective of any poker
Nice session, good sir! Just subscribed & looking forward to future episodes! Keep grinding bro! :)
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You’ve really shown me how in live poker , these players are so inelastic to size on a lot of flop and turn. These guys hate to gold even when you’re betting pot or more. It’s crazy.
Even if he knows you have quads, your kicker doesnt necessarily play. This would be a better jam if you had a hand like A5 because youre not risking losing the jackpot and hes incentivized to call and hit the large end. I agree with the table. jamming is playing with fire if you put him on a minimally strong jp hand.
One criticism of the editing of these videos is the loud sound effects on literally every single action. every bet, card, mention of anything. and its so loud.
Holy moly. The hand the villain had in that last bomb pot is baffling ! Great stuff Marc. Crimes against bananas aside !
Strong player. That jackpot hand was nuts
Love your stuff, keep it up bro.
Best in the bizzz brotha thanks
omg ty ty ty
If you ever go the merch route, I'd buy a deck of cards with the donkey artwork on it.
Damn I listened to your music 10 years ago and now you make poker videos, got that hunger in you!
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whats his music?
@@pat2sick this was my favorite song Marc Goone - Hunger (ft. Futuristic)
a fellow swagytracks enthusiast
For the players that are pissed about the play on the BBJ hand: tell them you're willing to play any of them, heads-up, until one of you is broke.
I’ve noticed sometimes u say u check when it’s likely to get stabbed in single raise pots you check ur entire range oop. Just wondering do you ever deviate from this(when are those times)? Also what about in 3bet pots? Last clarifying question, what about our check raising strategy, what type of hands are we check raising? How does the more multiway the pot is effect our check raising strategy here?
Thanks, love the videos. Hopefully u answer this comment. Just a few questions i had while i was trying to implement a few of your lessons. Thx again
Great video as always. Where do you play regularly?
Love the content!
Amazing content as always ❤❤🎉🎉🎉
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Big pot alert noise is the best. Please add more fun stuff to your vlogs.
Love this series. Have you considered splitting your sessions up into individual videos instead of putting both in one session? (for more of that sweet sweet youtube revenue)
Love those two double boards, on the last one, I'm sure the villain was pissed! :()
Yeaaah! I'll bet bet $100 now then! 😂🤘 Money machineeeee!
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You may also have JJ, QQ, KK and if he calls he loses his stack and doesn't get the bad beat Jackpot
You are one of the mouth breathers Marc referred to in the vlog. I’ll let you figure it out yourself
@@TH-bx6zs What a good comment, can't tell if it's sarcasm or real. Beautiful
Wow that sounded like bang bang towards GazzyB at the start there!!!
Marc is too good, makes it look so easy
You should count the BBJ (as well as high hand jackpots, etc) as part of your win rate, as it's your share of the promotional drop, but I see why you might not want to for purposes of the challenge. But, it goes in the same column in my spreadsheet as regular session wins.
You’re the goat
“im bluffing” haha genius
Commentary on the BBJ is hilarious
Commenting again but.. double board bomb pots are insane!?! Is the basic rule of them: get all in with anything?!?
well, that’s what they do here
Fun idea for your next vlog series: Can you be profitable playing every hand dark over say 50 hours of play? You're opponents won't know you're playing dark ofc
ill go with a no lol
That actually sounds fun lol
I think, they feared you had a hand like kings; that would beat him but no jackpot.. i guess they wanted to make sure you had quads before calling to lose..
Best content RUclips about poker, It is great you are winning bomb pots like you are but should they be included in your total wins? Since not all 5-5 games do bomb pots it might be better to leave them out like the jackpot or maybe put up 2 progress numbers one with bomb pots included and one without bomb pots.
I personally love the small bet on turn then bomb river rather than checking turn. Feel like they call more on river with the former line
On the QJo on button hand
Love your videos, thank you!
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You had some really good hands
Whatever they've seen in a Doug Polk video, kinda got me.
Those double board plo pots are insane. Most of the profit came from those two hands. I wish we have those
I may have missed it in the previous videos, but is there an hours goal to this challenge as well? Like, 20bb/hr over 500 hrs?? 1000 hrs?? I think 500 is like the minimum it should be even though that's still a small sample.
Also, definitely shouldn't count the BBJ in the results, but I'm wondering if the double board bomb pots should be excluded as well? Seems like it could skew the results pretty significantly.
Good luck Marc. This is a pretty impressive goal, especially over a decent sample size.
Ive been keeping up. I think you can do it. You play good low stakes live poker. Getting those 3 bet HU pots in position is def key. People who say you cant bluff at low stakes are very lost. Do you play live PLO at all?
Nice Marc. I'm new to your channel and love it. I'm curious though how often you're in to see the flop? How often you play your starting cards vs. folding pre flop.
check out our video on ultimate guide to preflop
Look at that hourly turnaround ;) I literally just played against JakeVegasPoker this past Friday on the Absolute Nuts streaming channel! Coolered him with AQ against his QQ in a $100 blind raise pot 😂
ohhh nooo! ❤️ gabriel
I think the QQs fold was maybe a mistake. Only hand I can think of him doing with is JTo with one heart, semi bluffing on the turn and hitting a straight on the river. If he had a flush, he would never slow play it like this...the turn bet was too small if he hit a flush; two high cards in your range he would not bet this little for value; and another heart would ruin his hand. And for the river why would he check and not get any value from the top pair who could easily just check behind. I don't know about this one. I think he got a lower set and he is ashamed of the shove and just didn't show.
You could’ve had A5s or something which beats him but also doesn’t qualify for the bbjp. Still a trivial call though imo
I like that bad beat jackpot. It's nice that you can win with only one ACE
Think, the BBJP could count towards the challenge. In the end, it's some kind of rakeback. Anyway, the vlog's are awesome. Ty for sharing.
im not sure checking was the play on the double paired board. Theres definitely merit but i like a hefty bet , not too fat but something that gets called by a non believer. As always great content!
For the jackpot hand, if you had kings u would do the same thing and if he calls with QQ JJ 10 he just loses the extra $1k
exactly its not really a spot where he guaranteed wins. yes he beats bluffs. yes he wins a ton of money if Marc has an Ace but there still is a small class of hands in the middle that he just loses to.
Granted I’m almost sure that the value of the BBJ is high enough that it’s worth it to lose to those middling hands some percentage of the time that it’s a 100% call with Tens.
All that being said though, the BBJ is so high that it might not be worth it to go for an extra 1k in value if there’s even a small chance of folding out a hand that would’ve made the jackpot. It’s something I’d need to calculate bc intuition can only go so far but I really wouldnt be surprised
Ive been using the nut flush blocker bluff since the early poker boom
I think your a great player I love your assignment of each hand and why you bet the way you do. Actually as a very long time poker player over 25 years have learned a lot from you do thank you for that. Now to the point, I agree with you I don't know why the table or anyone is mad at you. I have hit the bad beat before quads over quads I was on the loosing end. One the looser makes more money. Two this guy like you said shouldn't care he wins or looses as he will make more money back. Unless he was new to poker or hardly ever plays he should already know that! As well if your playing 5/10 surly he isn't new to poker he should of been happy you went all in as well as happy to loose. Unless he just thought you were bluffing but even then if so he would call to win the pot. So I don't understand or know why anyone was mad at you. If would be one think if it was before the flop to call all in with pocket 10s. So honestly nobody should be mad at all but instead congratulating you because your end was harder. Just my thoughts. Great job dude. Jay from Tennessee 😎
In England, for the bad beat jackpot you have to have a pocket pair for quads to count. Can't be 3 on the board.
Nice!!! I’ve never hit jackpot before 😢
practice before u come to the casino
25:43 the players saying "that's not a full house bet" is so bad manners. They shouldn't be taunting the pot like that when they're not in the hand. If I was at the table I would have said something
Another great video. I'm practicing my nose breathing and my Velcro shoes arrived today, I should be ready to crush.
The fact that that guys could have foded 10/10 is absolutely baffeling. I'm surprised this guy can play at all considering it was so challenging for him to understand that if he loses, he wins the bad beat which is a bigger win than if he wins the hand. I play low limit and there is no way anyone I play with would struggle to understand this situation.
If horse had A2s they don't have the jackpot, right?
If you’ve ever seen the VR Troll who plays vr poker stars , when you say I have a straight and everyone is yelling at you is some funny ass trolling. 😂
ruclips.net/video/0h4zQGMfN6k/видео.htmlsi=MHzLjWhbgRBhLGkG
“I have a straight” haha
Nutter butters, pocket quiggalees, gotta love it lol. Nice sessions sir
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Nice comeback!!!
Imo promo payouts should count toward your winnings, because you’ve paid the promo rake.
i agree but that wud make it too easy
at 29:00 I personally find that a lot of players get scared on the river that they wont make money with their made hands so when it goes check raise all in I would believe it is a bluff more than usual as they often would be scared of the check around and losing out their value. could be wrong tho
Making people mad priceless 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The guy could have been potentially thinking about if you had a hand like KK where you’re free rolling either getting his stack if he has QQ-TT or getting the BBJ if he has AK, he probably wasn’t thinking this but that would be a valid concern lol
Yeah also if you have A7 and below the guy just loses his stack assuming both hole cards have to play
Ok I need help with a leak. I typically buy in with 200bb at my games, while others will go 300 to infinity, so I’m the short stack but it’s what I’m comfortable with. When I have to jam for bluff or get max value, feels easier. But all crushers buy super deep. How do I get comfortable with being deep?
I'd just go up a little at a time so the buy in don't seem so steep after you eased your way into it. But that is just me.
or move down in stakes
is it really a “leak” if you’re winning money? you dont seem to want to raise ur buy-in bc buying in with 200bb is losing you money… you want to up your buy in bc “all the crushers” do. imo thats not really a reason.
The places I play that wouldn't count as a jackpot as all four of a kind have to be pocket pairs unless you have Aces full of Kings then you have to have AK specifically
Hard to assume what the exact rules are. I think in some casinos (I don't think you said what the rule was here) they require you to use both hands for the jackpot. Meaning if he had 10's but you had something like A3 then it wouldn't be a jackpot since your 3 wouldn't play. In that case it might've been better to just call his raise because if he folds then you're losing more money. Even if that's not the case if the loser of the hand in this instance thought so it would lose to money lost. Also back in my home town, any talks about the hand like this would void the jackpot...
In most casinos, including this one, yes both cards in your hand must play so only A9 or better kicker would qualify. The table talk hints weren't direct comments about both players hands qualifying. His buddy saying to him, why would you do that (go all-in and risk the other guy folding a jackpot) was not wrong. Unfortunately the vlogger edited out his comments about how he didn't care about getting the jackpot money and he just wanted to win the most money from his opponent.
If you bet or play a hand and make an opponent fold a jackpot hand AFTER the river is out, then you played it wrong🤷🏾♀️ Periodt. If you hear a poker player at a cash game say they only cared about winning the $ in the pot and didn't care about winning the jackpot, then you know they are lying or bsing you. Periodt. It would have been more believable if he said he wasn't thinking about it, or forgot about the jackpot right when he hit the ace. It would have been more believable if he said he didn't care about the jackpot bc apparently he's on some $100/hr quest and only wanted the opponent's call. Yet then again all-in with a fold loses money for that also. Again his buddy was right about, "why would he do that" in either way. putting the guy all-in was NOT a typical situation of, "I bet an amount where I knew you had to call or that you couldn't fold."
In most casinos, including this one, yes both cards in your hand must play so only A9 or better kicker would qualify. The table talk hints weren't direct comments about both players hands qualifying. His buddy saying to him, why would you do that (go all-in and risk the other guy folding a jackpot) was not wrong. Unfortunately the vlogger edited out his comments about how he didn't care about getting the jackpot money and he just wanted to win the most money from his opponent.
If you bet or play a hand and make an opponent fold a jackpot hand AFTER the river is out, then you played it wrong🤷🏾♀️ Periodt. If you hear a poker player at a cash game say they only cared about winning the $ in the pot and didn't care about winning the jackpot, then you know they are lying or bsing you. Periodt. It would have been more believable if he said he wasn't thinking about it, or forgot about the jackpot right when he hit the ace. It would have been more believable if he said he didn't care about the jackpot bc apparently he's on some $100/hr quest and only wanted the opponent's call. Yet then again all-in with a fold loses money for that also. Again his buddy was right about, "why would he do that" in either way. putting the guy all-in was NOT a typical situation of, "I bet an amount where I knew you had to call or that you couldn't fold."
on the aces double board bomb pot are yall still raising if you do not have the flush draw and two low cards instead of 54
ive watched 10 seconds... the last time i played live poker the people at my table would really get mad at me for betting my hands and not showing down for the jackpots
Marc, love the videos. You need to take the double board bomb pots money out of the winnings. Not all casinos do these on dealer change.
Marc, what do you estimate your vpip is in this challenge?
I am always amazed that people at low stakes "play for the Bad Beat" jackpot, and get mad if you don't check down. On top of that most casinos will not pay the jackpot if people discuss it during the hand, so I am surprised that the casino was willing to even pay.
@@Tee-h3c Agree, they are not in the hand they need to shut their pie holes.
it's not whack if you want to clear the $2k table share of the $30k jackpot. You left out the part where the vlogger himself had to do all the talking and hinting because only he knew he had the qualifying hand. His buddy in the 1 seat had to suggest vlogger give him a hint once the other player went into the tank for awhile. Vlogger edited out some of the hints were he eventually said he was gonna shut up now or quit talking/hinting. Still took the guy a bit of thinking to call of his whole stack after the vlogger quit talking.
The assumption should be the vlogger wasn't thinking about the jackpot when he went all-in covering the other player who had over $1k in chips. You must be misreading the body language of the pocket 10s hand loser bc obviously he made the call just because he had hints from the vlogger that the vlogger had the qualifying A hand and he knew his tens qualified or else he would have folded🤔 duh.
@@klawdog I didn't leave out anything about the talking, I made no reference to who was talking. I said talking about it during the hand is a disqualification in most casinos. The Vlogger makes the perfect point, you you miss. If his opponent has a hand that would qualify there is no way he is ever folding there, if he does not have such a hand then the Hero might as well get what he can from the villain. There is no way to account for a low IQ villain that does not understand he might win that jackpot, but that's on him not the hero in the hand.
If you are limping your pocket 4's and trying to check down for your 1:1000000 chance to win the bad beat good for you... those of us that are winning intelligent players could care less about those silly things. I wish that promotion money was never taken from the table in the first place so I can use skill to take my share of it. If I wanted to leave it to luck I would not be at the poker table I would be at the Roulette wheel.
If you dont count the jackpot add back the extra dollar they take every hand which funds the bad beat
You have to be *Extremely* careful w table talk during a bad beat jackpot I dropped out of college to work and play poker in Las Vegas and been in a couple bad beats over years and dealer friends of mine would say never talk about the hand during a bad beat bc if you influence action in anyway they can technically deny you the jackpot. For instance say at Excalibur in 2010 just what was said in this video would’ve been enough to deny the jackpot. “That c’mon give him a hint” would’ve been the end of it.
Jackpot should be added to your earnings, it's part of playing the game.
Dude to your right checks in a more fast aggressive way when he has a hand he likes then checks more slowly and softer when he doesn't like his hand.
People complaining about the bad beat hand are stupid, he went all in on the river, not the flop…. The tanker was stupid too- The only time to het pissed if you made them fold on the flop.
ive been in a very similar situation at the same stakes and I clearly told the table "I play to win the hand, not the jackpot" the likelihood the jp is gonna hit is so low but the likelihood that i win this hand is much higher. F your jp play poker
I agree with you... If he had Ks,Qs Js or 10s he would have insta called.
Edit: OMG I was for sure he didn't have it.... What the hell took him so long!
Well, the pair of tens have to consider that they might be up against JJs, QQs or KKs. In that case he loses the pot without winning the jackpot..
So, from his perspective it's definitely some unnecessary pressure he has to deal with..
What did dealer get on the tip for the jackpot?
The table is upset because you mess with their money - they would do the same if they were in your position. It would be sick if he would fold though, because you can genuinely have kings and he would just lose and no jackpot...
Just a reminder to folks at home - you cannot show the hand, and cannot say what you got - don't mess with the casino
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