That's one reason why Troi ended up being so underused, to the extent that she was nearly written out after the first season. Having a character who could detect deception and read hidden emotions looked good on paper, but in practice it would have hindered suspense and given the Enterprise crew too much of an advantage. So the writers just arranged for her to to be (in)conveniently absent when most needed or unable to read particular species. Lots of fans like to rag on "useless" Troi, but in fact she was deliberately restricted from being useful.
Troi: "I sense....he's hiding something" "I sense...he's keeping something from us" "I feel... there's... something else...going on" -"I sense a plot to destroy the.."- Everyone else on the bridge: "Yes, I sense that too." It basically makes no difference if she's there or not in this case.
@@histguy101 It does, because they would have been even more suspicious and just refused to let him leave, meaning a very short episode. As it is, they might not have trusted him fully, but they had to let him go and figure out what went wrong, which for all they know could have just been an accident as it appeared to be. Troi would have been able to say "I sense he's f*cking with us".
The funny part is I like them both, but the original is so.. so much better at being unreadable where the other one is great at being a giddy slimeball. It says a lot they accomplished all this with the same script, more or less.
I actually think Saul did a really good job playing the deceit. When I first watched the episode and this scene came up I didn’t think he would turn out to be the antagonist of the episode
I never noticed before, at 1:25 when the camera angle changes, so does the projection on the bridge viewer, implying it's a volumetric display and the transmission is also volumetric.
yes it's always been the case in TNG (forgotten in the other shows) . I actually added the viewscreen effect to the original fajo footage as well as the bridge sounds to make it look and sound as it would in the finished episode
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I like the acting style of Saul Rubinek a lot better. He seemed more natural in this part. I also like the little things he put into his version of Fajo like the snap of the fingers and so fourth.
It doenst come up much. In the pre-internet days it was mentioned in the Trek Making-Of books at the time (The TNG Compendium). These days you can find information on every episode on the Trek wiki. Memory Alpha. memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Portal:Main
"Rappaport struggled with depression later in his life. Just before his death, he had been cast and began filming for the role of Kivas Fajo in the Star Trek: The Next Generation episode "The Most Toys". During filming, Rappaport attempted suicide, and the scenes he had completed were later discarded when actor Saul Rubinek was hurriedly brought in by producers to replace him and complete the episode. The scenes of Rappaport as Kivas Fajo were included on the Season 3 Blu-ray Disc release of Star Trek: The Next Generation. On 2 May 1990, he took his own life by shooting himself in the chest in Laurel Canyon Park in the San Fernando Valley in California."
I think this is a fascinating look at how differently two actors can play the same scene. Rappaport is playing Fajo in a far more detached manner as if he cares about absolutely nothing around him, Rubinek is playing him more as a pompous, sleazy leach. Rappaport feels a little bit more dangerous, but Rubinek feels like the kind of asshole you could meet in everyday life, which makes his darker side more scary in some ways when it comes out. I'd say that Rubinek is my personal favourite, but considering the horrible behind the scenes stuff which was probably affecting his performance's quality, Rappaport was doing a very impressive job under the circumstances.
In the transmitted version, he seems thoughtful, saddened, you’re not absolutely sure he’s lying, Rappaport gives the impression that he was not only involved but expecting it, like a Romulan giving a courtesy call after an ‘accident’. Isn’t it fascinating to see how an actor can totally change a role?
Think of the scene where Fajo describes what a Varon-T disruptor does to a person. Now imagine Rappaport's squeaky voice saying those words. Same as when Fajo killed Varia. Tiny Rappaport pointing the weapon at her, then looking like he wouldn't fire, then doing so, wouldn't have been as chilling.
yes . I actually added the viewscreen to the original Fajo footage and it took me a while to get it to look right . also added the bridge background sounds so that it will all look and sound as it would have in the finished episode
I prefer Rappaport's Fajo because he gives the impression of someone who will hide his motives, and not always go around looking like a conniving worm.
It’s so terrible what happened to David Rappaport. Nothing against Saul Rubenik, but David owned that role. I’ve watched the other clips available with David, and you can tell he was in the zone while playing that character. Truly a brilliant talent who was taken far too early.
@@randomrazr Wikipedia: "On 2 May 1990, he committed suicide by shooting himself in the chest in Laurel Canyon Park in the San Fernando Valley in California."
Each individual has a unique perspective, therefore their reality is their own, cubism, is an example of this. Know your own reality thats who you are, loosing yourself happens when you find someone else's reality is indistinguishable from what you have always known to be true.
Serahpin Well if you look at the history of a certain group of people that wear small hats, it is full of instances where they’re lie and cheat. There was a reason they were kicked out of almost every country they went to. I’m not saying every one of these people are bad but a lot of bad people just so happen to be small hats.
I did not know about this. I was watching this, not recognising Rappaport's face but his voice, and it was distracting seeing a Brit in place of someone else, in an episode I've loved for decades. I wonder if Rappaport would've pulled it off, and being a dwarf, he would seem even more comical, but it would've been unique. RIP
for this scene alone Original Fajo was better for the reason being he hides that he is guilty better than the final version. The final version i bet the actor was either bummed out that he got called due to a suicide or it could be that they had another person read Patrick Steward's lines so his emotions through his lines were that of an obvious perpetrator.
@@sh-ig9fm That's close. But actually, after a couple of days of filming, he made an unsuccessful suicide attempt. A couple of months later, he was successful in killing himself. He died a few days before the completed episode aired.
@@bazzokzwattom2655 Had he only postponed his unsuccessful suicide attempt and went to the few days of filming.. he would have been in the final episode.
I like the final actor.. while the original was good - the replacement actor was just so much smoother. It's a shame the original actor had killed himself after shooting these scenes.
I preferred Rubinek here, just seemed the character worked better with his body language. The eyes of his made it appear he was a sleezeball liar right off the bat. I think that just worked better for the episode to make you hate him even more. The British dude made you feel compassion for him being a dwarf, making you feel like he just had tough breaks in life.
I would have like to have seen the original version played out. I don't have any biases regarding little people, so his more subtle performance would have added to the suspense for me.
Is that the guy from "Time Bandits" that played Randall? Also, what is this? Was the David Rappaport ("Time Bandits") version shot and they decided to go another direction with Saul Rubinek as Fajo? [edit: I found out. I had no idea that David Rappaport had died during production.]
He was cut from the Star Trek role because he made an attempt to kill himself by carbon monoxide asphyxiation. He later succeeded in killing himself with a .38 revolver. Suicide isn't an easy answer. But there are those that can't find any way past the pain, physical, mental, or emotional, than to escape it permanently. RIP, David.
I'm not sure Rappaport was the better choice for this part....but I would have LOVED to have seen him bring to life a star trek alien who better suited his acting style. RIP David.
Rapaport's Fajo is stolid and venomous. He has anger management issues. He reminds me of Tony Soprano on "The Sopranos". Rubinek's Fajo is giddy and slimy. He's a sociopath. He reminds me of Emperor Cartagia on "Babylon 5".
Both are excellent, but I prefer the Original Fajo due to his more alien make-up and his more wicked tone. The Final Fajo seems more human which steals the spotlight from Data, who is supposed to appear the most human.
Saul Rubinek triumphs this role in every arena, it's a class act making this episode one of my most " Go to " favourites.. the other performance is dull, monotone, lifeless & uninspiring compared, even though I have great respect for the actor . Possibly Rubinek's finest moment.
There was also a scene in the script that unfortunately wasn't filmed with either of them and thus never made it into the final episode..in the scene Fajo sends Varria to test Data's sexual abilities.
i don't think rappaport was necessarily a very good actor. he played his role very straight, almost play-like, while saul rubinek made you actually hate his character the way data did.
Don't forget that the dead dude's voice wasn't audio processed using the same filters as the dude in the final cut. I'm curious how it would have sounded had it gone through the same processing phase - because it does provide a better immersion. The dead dude's voice sounds like he's always in the same room, while the processed voice is given echo/radio effect/etc, depending on the environment. The odds are, if the Jewish dude didn't have his voice processed, it would have also sounded strange. Still.... I must admit, the replacement dude did a better job in the acting department - so kudos to that.
Reality Check yeah, the guy who made this video overlaid the ship’s engines, but didn’t do any vocal processing, which sucks... it would’ve made it a better comparison.
Poor David Rappaport. He probably saw this role of an alien in makeup as the last resort. He always talked about how he never would play monsters or robots but this was probably too close to that for his desire to be a respectable actor. Compare this effort to his role in the Bride.
I love Saul Rubinek, but the Original (David Rappaport) feels better. Rubinek's Fajo, even when trying to seem normal, Still feels Slimy. Rappaport's Doesn't, and a Slimy person who Doesn't seem that way is Far more dangerous
Prefer Rappaport myself. I'm always on edge when listening to him. Very Doctor Loveless played by Michael Dunn. Whenever I see the final version, I always think Donnie, Daphne's boyfriend or occasionally, that documentary director on SG-1.
YES! Both actors are absolutely perfect ! If only that it seemed the original actor may have brought a bit more of an grandiose presence and was able to hide a deeper and more sadistic dimensional personality.One of many best episodes. This should have been into a two part segment so that we could have had a bit more inside to the characters.
The original Actor To me was better because it legit felt that he had no idea what happened, well the other one you can kind of tell he has some thing involved.
Rappaport was a really good actor, You can really sense he is NOT into this, and He's barely trying... When you have the gift of hindsight it all makes sense, so sad
Just imagine if Rappaport had stuck around at least long enough to finish the episode... viewers would've wondered what was keeping Varia from Chuck Norrising him across the room.
I know the story how the first actor killed himself in the middle of filming, but it looks like they got pretty much the whole episode filmed with him. Why not just stick with him. The audio seems weird but I assume thats just because it was never fully post-processed?
The final one was easier to hate, more arrogant. With the dwarf guy you are always going to feel sorry for a bit. The role needed someone you could easily despise.
I’m sure it was difficult for Rubinek step in on such short notice and under the circumstances. But seeing Rappaport in the role makes me like Rubinek’s portrayal even less than I did before. Rappaport actually makes it easier for the audience to want to see him die in the end, which helps sell the key moment where Data decides to shoot him. Also, Rappaport is a better actor. He also had a memorable role on LA Law. In this episode, most of his scenes were with Brent Spiner. Had he lived, I think it would’ve been great to have brought him back and have him act opposite Patrick Stewart.
BigNoseDoggie Rubinek portrays the scheming, moral-less person with utter perfection. Rappaport was bland and barely believable. The part where is asks if the pilot is ok was just bad acting. I hope you don’t skew your opinions depending on a person’s physical or social stature.
Weird how this is your blow up videos... lol. I like the replacement best... the small guy was great in time bandits. This was. Ok. It’s sad this guy killed himself.... it seems like most of it was ready to go. If There was time to do the other scenes.. perhaps we would remember Fajo differently
The original Fajo was much better. He was more believable and serious. I really got into it. I remember watching the second Fajo and I always thought it was a light humor episode between Data and Fajo. Like when you see the interaction between Data and his cat Spot. It's a damn shame the first actor committed suicide. He could have been a regular advisory on the show.
Wtf is this? I've never seen the episode with that little alien. Was this ever on tv ? And what was the purpose of redoing that episode just to replace the guy with that alien?
The episode was titled With The Most Toys, which was on Season 3. David Rappaport, the actor you see with the more alien like makeup died before they finished making the episode. So they quickly recast the actor. replacing him with Saul Rubinek. And reshoot the few scenes they already did. And it is possible the show lacked the time needed to make whole new makeup proestictas that would fit the new actor so they changed the character's look. The footage with the original actor was included as a Blue Ray extra.
To be fair, the replacement actor had the luxury of a couple of days and multiple takes to get the right scene while the original one (who died) only had 1 day of shooting and was lacking in post production editing (sound, music and lighting effects)
actually he had very little time to prepare since he was brought in the last second . so it's even more impressive that he invented a new and unique version of the character
@@MajorGrin Agreed. The original dude had an interesting voice and dwarf factor, while the replacement dude did a much better job in the acting department and adding a nuance to the character. If the original dude was as good of an actor, he would have killed it, given his unique voice and dwarf stature.
Rappaport did everything on a banal level. His acting was no more complex than someone delivering the weather. He even failed to understand the depth of the character and the true meaning of the dialog. He was playing his character like it was pure evil. When asking Picard "What happened?, it was like he was scolding Picard when he the character was supposed to be feigning concern. Rubinek is a master. Rappaport was a novice.
I think Rubineck was the better choice. Instead of basing Fajo's inferiority complex on his diminutive size, he worked much better as, well, simply a greedy space-Jew! 😬
I love the original recipe Fago. It's a star trek thing to make a lot of bad guys english. It works and sounds menesing. And I personally hate the actor that scored Rapaports seat in this episode. I hate his half paralyzed face, his semitic way about him.
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Just goes to show that Troi is the most broken member of the crew.
Never around whenever she could solve the problem instantly.
Yeah but whenever someone is that manipulative she can't read them.
That's one reason why Troi ended up being so underused, to the extent that she was nearly written out after the first season. Having a character who could detect deception and read hidden emotions looked good on paper, but in practice it would have hindered suspense and given the Enterprise crew too much of an advantage. So the writers just arranged for her to to be (in)conveniently absent when most needed or unable to read particular species. Lots of fans like to rag on "useless" Troi, but in fact she was deliberately restricted from being useful.
I would trade her for a wheel of cheese. Cheddar would be more useful to me in space than an empath who can't read someone being manipulative.
Troi:
"I sense....he's hiding something"
"I sense...he's keeping something from us"
"I feel... there's... something else...going on"
-"I sense a plot to destroy the.."-
Everyone else on the bridge: "Yes, I sense that too."
It basically makes no difference if she's there or not in this case.
@@histguy101 It does, because they would have been even more suspicious and just refused to let him leave, meaning a very short episode.
As it is, they might not have trusted him fully, but they had to let him go and figure out what went wrong, which for all they know could have just been an accident as it appeared to be. Troi would have been able to say "I sense he's f*cking with us".
I really like the way Rubinek snaps at his crewmember to transmit the sensor data. It's such a nice touch.
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The funny part is I like them both, but the original is so.. so much better at being unreadable where the other one is great at being a giddy slimeball. It says a lot they accomplished all this with the same script, more or less.
well the other one was a lawyer
I think the replacement Fajo is trying to underplay a it a bit more, whereas the original had to be a bit colder due to his different stature.
"unreadable" is another way of saying, the dude could barely act and was delivering his lines like in a community theater production
@@ssl3546 you are so wrong
I actually think Saul did a really good job playing the deceit. When I first watched the episode and this scene came up I didn’t think he would turn out to be the antagonist of the episode
I never noticed before, at 1:25 when the camera angle changes, so does the projection on the bridge viewer, implying it's a volumetric display and the transmission is also volumetric.
yes it's always been the case in TNG (forgotten in the other shows) . I actually added the viewscreen effect to the original fajo footage as well as the bridge sounds to make it look and sound as it would in the finished episode
@@MajorGrin oh wow great work, looks perfect!
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@@MajorGrin you're the best.
Yes indeed.
Is it just me or does the little guy give a more classic trek vibe but the new-final one give a more next generation feel?
exactly what I was thinking
The next generation feel is just better acting.
Indeed. Really good perception on that Boats.
Had the same feeling, too.
Hmm...good point.
I like the acting style of Saul Rubinek a lot better. He seemed more natural in this part. I also like the little things he put into his version of Fajo like the snap of the fingers and so fourth.
It is better acting.
Conniving is natural to his people.
Fajo is better then the other Fajo.
Which Fajo is the other Fajo?
He means the one that isn't the other Fajo.
You idiot! Obviously Fajo is better than Fajo!
Noo Fajo is the best
I like what I've seen of Fajo so fa, joe.
I never knew there was another actor playing this part.
Awful to hear what happened, my heart goes out to him.
Thank you for sharing these.
It doenst come up much. In the pre-internet days it was mentioned in the Trek Making-Of books at the time (The TNG Compendium). These days you can find information on every episode on the Trek wiki. Memory Alpha.
memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Portal:Main
"Rappaport struggled with depression later in his life. Just before his death, he had been cast and began filming for the role of Kivas Fajo in the Star Trek: The Next Generation episode "The Most Toys". During filming, Rappaport attempted suicide, and the scenes he had completed were later discarded when actor Saul Rubinek was hurriedly brought in by producers to replace him and complete the episode. The scenes of Rappaport as Kivas Fajo were included on the Season 3 Blu-ray Disc release of Star Trek: The Next Generation. On 2 May 1990, he took his own life by shooting himself in the chest in Laurel Canyon Park in the San Fernando Valley in California."
Saul is having a lot more fun with the script. He's making a character.
In hindsight one might infer David was not having fun, sadly.
Rappaport was about to kill himself, so there’s that...
I think this is a fascinating look at how differently two actors can play the same scene. Rappaport is playing Fajo in a far more detached manner as if he cares about absolutely nothing around him, Rubinek is playing him more as a pompous, sleazy leach. Rappaport feels a little bit more dangerous, but Rubinek feels like the kind of asshole you could meet in everyday life, which makes his darker side more scary in some ways when it comes out. I'd say that Rubinek is my personal favourite, but considering the horrible behind the scenes stuff which was probably affecting his performance's quality, Rappaport was doing a very impressive job under the circumstances.
Little fajo what Star Trek episode or series is that from
What's fascinating is how Rappaport can mount any acting effort at all whilst in extreme mental turmoil in his personal life.
Rappaport was a great actor, but his performance here is not very interesting. Saul Rubinek's however is very memorable.
yeah he added a lot of humor to the character
@@MajorGrin his American brashness makes Fajo seem more insecure and fickle, and thus more dangerous.
In the transmitted version, he seems thoughtful, saddened, you’re not absolutely sure he’s lying, Rappaport gives the impression that he was not only involved but expecting it, like a Romulan giving a courtesy call after an ‘accident’.
Isn’t it fascinating to see how an actor can totally change a role?
@@Lumibear. If you say that sort of thing, then I would say that Rappaport is better.
He was awesome in Time Bandits
This is actually quite a sad real life story. Although I do like the second actors portrayal
What’s the story???
@@emilflognoid1532
Wow. The original actor for some reason attempted suicide a few days in.
Just Google “Why are there 2 Fajos in Star Trek?”
@@Barbutt The actor whom plays data said something about it being about his girlfriend it had nothing to do with the show.
This is why I subscribe. I had no idea this existed, nice work putting it together and giving it some polish
Think of the scene where Fajo describes what a Varon-T disruptor does to a person. Now imagine Rappaport's squeaky voice saying those words. Same as when Fajo killed Varia. Tiny Rappaport pointing the weapon at her, then looking like he wouldn't fire, then doing so, wouldn't have been as chilling.
and when Data tries attacking him but he has a forcefield
Shame about the original actor but the guy from the episode is miles better.
hes more belieavable and upredictable. the first one is too monotone.
First guy sounds like he's doing a practice reading from a script. I really don't like it yet I hate the character anyway coz he's a knob.
The fuck he was
This comparison also shows off well that the view screen was in 3D perspective
yes . I actually added the viewscreen to the original Fajo footage and it took me a while to get it to look right . also added the bridge background sounds so that it will all look and sound as it would have in the finished episode
Major Grin it was totally worth it -damn good job as per usual.
Major Grin glad you went that far, I just wish you would’ve adjusted the vocals effects to match.
I prefer Rappaport's Fajo because he gives the impression of someone who will hide his motives, and not always go around looking like a conniving worm.
It’s so terrible what happened to David Rappaport. Nothing against Saul Rubenik, but David owned that role. I’ve watched the other clips available with David, and you can tell he was in the zone while playing that character. Truly a brilliant talent who was taken far too early.
I still can't get over the fact that David Rappaport killed himself a few days into production. 1951 - 1990. R.I.P. 😢
He didn't die during production, he attempted suicide with car exhaust and was unable to finish the role. He shot himself a couple months later.
Wish someone could have helped him.
wonder if he offed himself after he found out he was getting replaced on the show
how come they don't release the version of the episode with Rappaport?
He committed suicide half way through filming to episode.
@@NeonVisual yeah. It seemed though that Spiner meant they finished filming, and THEN Rappaport killed himself.
@@NeonVisual but somebody replied in the comments that his attempt was unsuccessful, and did it a few months later after the episode was completed.
@@NeonVisual how did he commit suicide
@@randomrazr Wikipedia:
"On 2 May 1990, he committed suicide by shooting himself in the chest in Laurel Canyon Park in the San Fernando Valley in California."
Would be fun to have the complete episode with the other Fajo
Each individual has a unique perspective, therefore their reality is their own, cubism, is an example of this. Know your own reality thats who you are, loosing yourself happens when you find someone else's reality is indistinguishable from what you have always known to be true.
Thank you for this! I always find out my little Star Trek bits from you.
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That second one was obviously scheming and untrustworthy. Something about his face and hat...
@M Z Why is it a stereotype that people who wear small hats are so untrustworthy?
And the fact he dresses like an elf.
sohe commited suicide because hes short?
Serahpin
Well if you look at the history of a certain group of people that wear small hats, it is full of instances where they’re lie and cheat. There was a reason they were kicked out of almost every country they went to.
I’m not saying every one of these people are bad but a lot of bad people just so happen to be small hats.
'Rappaport was born to Jewish taxi driver Mark and his wife Diana, née Schneiderman in London.' ~ Wikipedia
I did not know about this. I was watching this, not recognising Rappaport's face but his voice, and it was distracting seeing a Brit in place of someone else, in an episode I've loved for decades. I wonder if Rappaport would've pulled it off, and being a dwarf, he would seem even more comical, but it would've been unique. RIP
Saul Rubinek was best, in my opinion
Main screen was 3d! :O
yepp, very intentional, never mentioned in the show. it just was.
I've seen rubinek in other roles but I just realized he sounds so much like Gene Wilder.
for this scene alone Original Fajo was better for the reason being he hides that he is guilty better than the final version. The final version i bet the actor was either bummed out that he got called due to a suicide or it could be that they had another person read Patrick Steward's lines so his emotions through his lines were that of an obvious perpetrator.
Why was this changed?
The original actor commited suicide
@@sh-ig9fm That's close. But actually, after a couple of days of filming, he made an unsuccessful suicide attempt. A couple of months later, he was successful in killing himself. He died a few days before the completed episode aired.
@@bazzokzwattom2655 Had he only postponed his unsuccessful suicide attempt and went to the few days of filming.. he would have been in the final episode.
@@bazzokzwattom2655 is there something more to this? Why did he did it for example? Did he left an experience?
@@antoniowakardo7280 He had been depressed recently, his manager told the LA Times.
I can see his depression. Hes trying to do his job, but you can tell something is off. So sad🙁
I like the final actor.. while the original was good - the replacement actor was just so much smoother. It's a shame the original actor had killed himself after shooting these scenes.
I'm amazed I didn't know this before
I preferred Rubinek here, just seemed the character worked better with his body language. The eyes of his made it appear he was a sleezeball liar right off the bat. I think that just worked better for the episode to make you hate him even more. The British dude made you feel compassion for him being a dwarf, making you feel like he just had tough breaks in life.
I would have like to have seen the original version played out. I don't have any biases regarding little people, so his more subtle performance would have added to the suspense for me.
I wonder if the original character was said to be Zibalian? The diminutive species could've been interesting to feature in future stories.
A curious twist of fate that left us with a far more credible performance.
Is that the guy from "Time Bandits" that played Randall? Also, what is this? Was the David Rappaport ("Time Bandits") version shot and they decided to go another direction with Saul Rubinek as Fajo? [edit: I found out. I had no idea that David Rappaport had died during production.]
JustWasted3HoursHere he didn’t “die”, he killed himself.
@@DisgruntledPigumon Wow, he killed himself but didn't die? That's amazing!
He was cut from the Star Trek role because he made an attempt to kill himself by carbon monoxide asphyxiation. He later succeeded in killing himself with a .38 revolver.
Suicide isn't an easy answer. But there are those that can't find any way past the pain, physical, mental, or emotional, than to escape it permanently. RIP, David.
Was the original Fajo ever published? I only remember seeing clips on youtube.
The few scenes filmed before his death was included as a blue ray extra.
I'm not sure Rappaport was the better choice for this part....but I would have LOVED to have seen him bring to life a star trek alien who better suited his acting style. RIP David.
David Rappaport’s performance was okay, but IMO it came up a little short.
What scenes weren't done?
Rapaport's Fajo is stolid and venomous. He has anger management issues. He reminds me of Tony Soprano on "The Sopranos". Rubinek's Fajo is giddy and slimy. He's a sociopath. He reminds me of Emperor Cartagia on "Babylon 5".
Both are excellent, but I prefer the Original Fajo due to his more alien make-up and his more wicked tone.
The Final Fajo seems more human which steals the spotlight from Data, who is supposed to appear the most human.
Saul Rubinek triumphs this role in every arena, it's a class act making this episode one of my most " Go to " favourites.. the other performance is dull, monotone, lifeless & uninspiring compared, even though I have great respect for the actor .
Possibly Rubinek's finest moment.
Watching this episode again i notice a nitpick the Starfleet doesn't deal with money now did they buy the hydry
they do trade with other species materials that can't be replicated
Which scenes weren't filmed with the original Fajo?
the only scenes he filmed are those I showed in videos. the bridge scene , the brig scene , and the cargo bay scene
There was also a scene in the script that unfortunately wasn't filmed with either of them and thus never made it into the final episode..in the scene Fajo sends Varria to test Data's sexual abilities.
The first one was unmistakably more alien and interesting. His voice just sounded... odd.
i don't think rappaport was necessarily a very good actor. he played his role very straight, almost play-like, while saul rubinek made you actually hate his character the way data did.
Don't forget that the dead dude's voice wasn't audio processed using the same filters as the dude in the final cut. I'm curious how it would have sounded had it gone through the same processing phase - because it does provide a better immersion. The dead dude's voice sounds like he's always in the same room, while the processed voice is given echo/radio effect/etc, depending on the environment. The odds are, if the Jewish dude didn't have his voice processed, it would have also sounded strange. Still.... I must admit, the replacement dude did a better job in the acting department - so kudos to that.
He lived in my street when I was a kid, that's exactly how he always sounded. Nice bloke, quiet and reserved. RIP David.
Reality Check yeah, the guy who made this video overlaid the ship’s engines, but didn’t do any vocal processing, which sucks... it would’ve made it a better comparison.
Poor David Rappaport. He probably saw this role of an alien in makeup as the last resort. He always talked about how he never would play monsters or robots but this was probably too close to that for his desire to be a respectable actor. Compare this effort to his role in the Bride.
You overlaid the Enterprise engine sounds but you didn’t adjust the vocals at all. You should’ve adjusted it to sound like the final Fajo.
I love Saul Rubinek, but the Original (David Rappaport) feels better.
Rubinek's Fajo, even when trying to seem normal, Still feels Slimy.
Rappaport's Doesn't, and a Slimy person who Doesn't seem that way is Far more dangerous
Prefer Rappaport myself. I'm always on edge when listening to him. Very Doctor Loveless played by Michael Dunn. Whenever I see the final version, I always think Donnie, Daphne's boyfriend or occasionally, that documentary director on SG-1.
He's "Mr. Beauchamp" to me.
This was the first role I ever saw Saul in, so when watching "Mr. Beauchamp" all I could think was TNG.
On edge? Because of his perfectly bland delivery? Yikes, picnics must be hell for you.
Why was it changed
Okay I'm completely freaking lost. What in the hell am I looking at??
YES! Both actors are absolutely perfect ! If only that it seemed the original actor may have brought a bit more of an grandiose presence and was able to hide a deeper and more sadistic dimensional personality.One of many best episodes. This should have been into a two part segment so that we could have had a bit more inside to the characters.
The original Actor To me was better because it legit felt that he had no idea what happened, well the other one you can kind of tell he has some thing involved.
the alternative one sounds like timmy mallet lmao
Rappaport was a really good actor, You can really sense he is NOT into this, and He's barely trying... When you have the gift of hindsight it all makes sense, so sad
Just imagine if Rappaport had stuck around at least long enough to finish the episode... viewers would've wondered what was keeping Varia from Chuck Norrising him across the room.
Rappaport died before he finished the episode. they found the other actor after.
I know the story how the first actor killed himself in the middle of filming, but it looks like they got pretty much the whole episode filmed with him. Why not just stick with him. The audio seems weird but I assume thats just because it was never fully post-processed?
He didn't. He tried to. He tried again on May 2, 1990, three days before the episode premiered in the United States, and succeeded.
New guy is so classically evil it's rather boring. With the old one you don't immediately know.
He would have had a central role on ds9 later
Why didn't they use the footage? I find original better. But maybe that's just because it is new to me.
actor died
The final one was easier to hate, more arrogant. With the dwarf guy you are always going to feel sorry for a bit. The role needed someone you could easily despise.
I’m sure it was difficult for Rubinek step in on such short notice and under the circumstances. But seeing Rappaport in the role makes me like Rubinek’s portrayal even less than I did before. Rappaport actually makes it easier for the audience to want to see him die in the end, which helps sell the key moment where Data decides to shoot him. Also, Rappaport is a better actor. He also had a memorable role on LA Law. In this episode, most of his scenes were with Brent Spiner. Had he lived, I think it would’ve been great to have brought him back and have him act opposite Patrick Stewart.
BigNoseDoggie Rubinek portrays the scheming, moral-less person with utter perfection. Rappaport was bland and barely believable. The part where is asks if the pilot is ok was just bad acting.
I hope you don’t skew your opinions depending on a person’s physical or social stature.
Uh, no.
then saul moved to warehouse 13
Weird how this is your blow up videos... lol. I like the replacement best... the small guy was great in time bandits. This was. Ok. It’s sad this guy killed himself.... it seems like most of it was ready to go. If There was time to do the other scenes.. perhaps we would remember Fajo differently
Very impressive
The original Fajo was much better. He was more believable and serious. I really got into it. I remember watching the second Fajo and I always thought it was a light humor episode between Data and Fajo. Like when you see the interaction between Data and his cat Spot. It's a damn shame the first actor committed suicide. He could have been a regular advisory on the show.
Wow... the original performance is so much better. The voice alteration doesn't help either. Unless the new voice actor was just that squeaky.
Saul Rubinek did it better. Don't @me.
magicstix0r you manipulated me into doing this.
Also, I agree.
Well they're both a couple of untrustworthy little slimers, aren't they?
The revised version is vastly superior
Wow, David Rappaport's performance was top notch. Much better than his replacement, who is just a sad excuse of an actor.
Wtf is this? I've never seen the episode with that little alien. Was this ever on tv ? And what was the purpose of redoing that episode just to replace the guy with that alien?
The episode was titled With The Most Toys, which was on Season 3. David Rappaport, the actor you see with the more alien like makeup died before they finished making the episode. So they quickly recast the actor. replacing him with Saul Rubinek. And reshoot the few scenes they already did. And it is possible the show lacked the time needed to make whole new makeup proestictas that would fit the new actor so they changed the character's look. The footage with the original actor was included as a Blue Ray extra.
God, David Rappaport brings nothing to the table.
Rappaport wasn't really on his A game with this. I find his scenes bland and dry...
The original Fajo definitive have more personality and unique appearance.
Bloody Simile no personality.
He was better in time bandits
To be fair, the replacement actor had the luxury of a couple of days and multiple takes to get the right scene while the original one (who died) only had 1 day of shooting and was lacking in post production editing (sound, music and lighting effects)
actually he had very little time to prepare since he was brought in the last second . so it's even more impressive that he invented a new and unique version of the character
@@MajorGrin Agreed. The original dude had an interesting voice and dwarf factor, while the replacement dude did a much better job in the acting department and adding a nuance to the character. If the original dude was as good of an actor, he would have killed it, given his unique voice and dwarf stature.
It could be because the midget needed a shorter time ... a shorter time ... Ha ha ha 😄
I'm sorry but I think Rappaport's version is better.
The little guy was corny, like something from Space 1999, really bad.
Rubinek is like Donald Trump.
Rappaport is like Joe Biden.
Somehow I like the Jew one better.
Both actors were Jewish.
@@PrimeMover4 I think one still is.
we are everywhere
What a weird way to say that.
Rubinek's performance was much more "dismissive" and "I couldn't care less". I preferred Rappaport's performance. More convincing.
Original Fajo was way better. Sad.
Rappaport did everything on a banal level. His acting was no more complex than someone delivering the weather. He even failed to understand the depth of the character and the true meaning of the dialog. He was playing his character like it was pure evil. When asking Picard "What happened?, it was like he was scolding Picard when he the character was supposed to be feigning concern.
Rubinek is a master. Rappaport was a novice.
I don’t like the sound of the new dudes voice.
That first guy was a worse actor than jordy.
its a leprechaun. !
The recast is better
I think Rubineck was the better choice. Instead of basing Fajo's inferiority complex on his diminutive size, he worked much better as, well, simply a greedy space-Jew! 😬
I love the original recipe Fago.
It's a star trek thing to make a lot of bad guys english. It works and sounds menesing.
And I personally hate the actor that scored Rapaports seat in this episode.
I hate his half paralyzed face, his semitic way about him.
Far more menacing.
and boring.