the troops would have received the cartridges premade, but yeah, water, it was problem for everyone until the advent of the metallic cartridge, and from the looks of it, while the US got one in service from 1866, Austria and the UK from 1867, the rest of europe only started getting metallic cartridges from 1870 with the Berdan (Russia)
Well for a short period of time (around 1780) for a few Austrians rain didn't matter, because they used somewhat "repeating air rifles" engineered by Bartholomäus Girandoni. There is even a video on yt somewhere were a guy who has one explains it. It had a rifled bore and had a 20 round tube magazine. The air tank was the buttstock and you could shoot all the 20 rounds with one pumped up stock. (every guy with such a rifle had 3 stocks and a pump and equipment to cast lead bullets) Saw one in the Heeresgeschichtliches Museum in Vienna. But if you wouldn't know what it was, it would just be a gun inbetween other guns. Although the Label says "Windbüchse".
nirfz There have been a few replicas built of the Girandoni. The performance was really quite impressive although one has to wonder how those rudimentary leather and horn seals lived up to changes in temperature and humidity in the field.
A couple of suggestions.. I make these out of gummed paper tape of the type used for picture framing.. You just use spit or water to close everything up and the gum makes the paper stay together when it fires. Rather than glue a cap on the end of the case, I cut the bottom edge of the paper with pinking scissors to give a serrated edge and fold over the serrations onto the cap disk and follow with a bore diameter disk cut from the same gummed paper. Finally I wrap and glue a paper collar round the bullet and then glue this into the end of the case. It stops the rounds falling apart and again assists in pulling all the cr@p out the muzzle.. I also find I need to put a small amount of powder in the cap chamber... remind me... did we have a discussion about drilling holes in percussion caps?
Felix The Cat Hello again, regarding drilling caps, yes we did! I do it. Nothing wrong with your method, whatever works for you! I used to go the pinking shears way but I found the “swaging” technique more convenient. Personally I have an aversion to sticking anything to the bullet. One of the often unmentioned problems with the Dreyse was that sometimes bits of sabot would be stuck to the bullet and destabilize it as it left the barrel. The Prussians even had a term for it, which I have unfortunately forgotten, since it made a very distinctive fluttering noise when it happened.
Went to the range today with my 1868 Chassepot for the first time. I made 5 paper cartridges exactly like in this video. 2 fired, 3 didn't. I suspect I have to make them slightly longer (measured maximum cartridge length 70mm here as well) and also I'll add some fine blackpowder into the percussion cap to help the ignition. Anyway thank Chap for putting my on this path 👍
@@thebotrchap oh yes I just watched it. 33 seconds I am amazed! May I ask what bullet you are using in the tea straw method? Im currently using a 385 grains Lyman 457124 mold. Do you also fill the tea straw up completely with blackpowder until it touches the bullet?
@@ClassicFormulaOne1 This is the mould. I use it in the Gras too. I do indeed fill the tube with powder just under the bullet. www.castbulletengineering.com.au/products/rifle-moulds/product/2979-11mm-gras
@@thebotrchap I've solved the fouling problem, the correct initial length of the cartridge is the main solution for me. Another question: I saw you use winged percussion caps as well. I find that those caps arent always igniting at the first needle stroke even though the cap gets a hole in it. Turning the cartridge around a quarter turn usually makes it go off in the 2nd attempt. Do you have any advice on the ignition reliability? When making the cartridges I'm pretty careful in positioning the cap inline with the case but still 1 in 5 won't go off in 1st attempt.
@@ClassicFormulaOne1 Aside from good powder compression I have found that roughing up the needle tip with some fine sand paper does wonders. Increases the friction on the priming compound as the needle goes through it.
Just a couple of thoughts from someone who has spent way too much time making Chassepot cartridges. I notice that you don't talk about applying any kind of flame retardant to the paper. I found that using a flame retardant, in my case a borax solution, led to less chamber fouling. I also filled the percussion cap with blackpowder before I glued it onto a paper disk, thinking that I could get another two to three grains of powder into each cartridge that way and that it would assist ignition.
I have never had an issue with fail igniting due to a cap failing to ignite the charge but I know many people do indeed put a pinch of powder in. There is absolutely no need if you use Berdan primers since the flash is far more powerful. Regarding flame retardants I have heard contradictory reports. Since I’m only shooting at a leisurely rate the fouling isn’t really an issue.
Excellente vidéo !! Ne pas oublier de mettre quelques grains de poudre noire dans l'amorce avant de la coller .. cela peut diminuer le risque de non-inflammation de la charge .. Voire aussi ligaturer le projectile sur le papier. (le papier peut aussi être trempé dans un solution de chlorate de potassium) Excellent video !! Do not forget to put a few grains of black powder in the primer before sticking it .. it may reduce the risk of non-ignition of the charge .. See also ligating the projectile on the paper cartridge. (the paper used can also be placed in chlorid potassium solution and dry before use)
François Noufnouf Merci! Une pincée de poudre est possible. Personnellement je n’ai jamais eu de raté à cause de manque de puissance de l’amorce donc je n’en mets pas. Pour la ligature, dans ce cas la graisse fait office de colle mais bien sûr cela dépend de la graisse utilisée.
@@thebotrchap Ouaf !! Ça, c'est de la réponse rapide !! Merci pour ces conseils. Excellente chaîne. Alors .. bons tirs, et un petit salut de France . P.S.: ne pas hésiter à joindre H&C collection par mail, ils sont très sympa, et ont plein de projets en préparation (moi, j'attends le calibre 20 à broche) A tester aussi, le kit sans poudre pour cap'n'ball à diabolos caoutchouc .. Génial.
François Noufnouf Nous sommes toujours à l’écoute 😛 Je connais bien H&C, j’adore leurs produits. J’ai même volontairement fait la traduction en anglais de la notice pour le kit Chassepot pour eux. Ils m’ont offert un kit capnball pour mes services 👍 Je vais faire une petite revue un de ces jours. Ça marche du feu de diou dans mon R&S Euroarms.
@@thebotrchap Ah oui .. nouveauté: le kit existe aussi maintenant en .38, et aussi des cheminées pour Uberti (pas le même pas que Pietta & autres) Salut amical ..
these video's need renaming, the prior one should be "How to make the Mle1866 Chassepot paper cartridge the attentive Chap way" and this one "make a m1866 chassepot cartridge the lazy chap way"
Nice work on that cartridges, works fine fore some shots but the modern right way to go for paper cartridges nitrocellulose paper and colloid glue, makes no paper residue it all burns like powder,
Great video. I have been shooting mine for about 5 months now and use a similar cartridge process. The Lee 405HB has shot the best for me so far, I want to try the traditional Chassepot bullet (Accurate molds) and see if that improves accuracy.
Tom Hamilton Haven’t compared it. The advantage of the original bullet is that it sets up correctly in the front of the chamber. Tests by French shooters reloading original style cartridges however noted that the ones with original bullets were indeed far more accurate.
The music that presumably the Bloke chose is a Jazz Elevator Music version of a track from a very popular video game from a couple of years ago called Undertale. The track chosen is a reimagining of the track played when you face the final boss called Sans.
I gave up on the chassepot. Fouling makes it a headache to shoot. Spent more time tinkering and cleaning than i did shooting. Sold and bought a Martini!!
Steve Swanson I sold my first one for the same reason, got a martini, and then bought another Chassepot to try again with more patience and perseverance. It’s paying off.
OMG, the music. I see it's a some from some video game. I don't recognize it but I am sitting here feeling like I'm listening to a lounge act. Hehehe...
It's up by the bullet on Dreyse cartridges. It's up the back in a Chassepot, that annular cavity behind the frontmost part of the bolt ensures that the spent cap and the paper gets blown out the muzzle.
Just to add to Bloke‘s summary, the Russian needle gun used a primer at the rear like the Chassepot, and the Carcano needle gun used a primer behind the bullet like the Dreyse.
The rubber disc is a mixed blessing. I have found it to interfere with needle retraction after each shot. If your bolt head pin hole is not eroded out, the rubber disc is of minimal significance in fouling.
Why didn’t you use a rubber disc in this version? The disc is supposed to help seal around the needle and help reduce combustion gases from entering the bolt. I’m new to Chassepot and trying to decide how best to make the easy version of the cartridges.
It depends entirely on the state of your bolt head. On mine the channel is quite roomy and part of the rubber disc sometimes get blown into it and jam the needle. I need to tap the cocking piece with a rubber mallet to recock and open the bolt.
My Cartridge should be 8 cm long, but with the ball and load inside it's missing around 1.5 cm at the top. With what do I fill the missing part? With cartboard? Could someone help?
You should have the bullet at top end and the powder at the bottom end. To get the cartridge length you need you add a filling material between the projectile and the powder. My favourite filler is polenta.
Thanks. I always wondered how those things worked with the Paper Cartridges. So - it's basically the same as the metal cartridges - just with paper instead of metal. If you got that wet - it would ruin it. OK. .
Fair enough! I just have the prospect of getting a really nice looking Long Branch, and after the discovery quite rusty bolt innards I made with a sporter Spanish Mauser an uncle gave me. Always just been a touch paranoid of such things. Appreciate you responding!
werent the Chassepots the first truly modern mass-produced rifle? so theoretically parts must be interchangable, and one only needs to have the correct mold of the original chassepot bullet
ultor europae I don’t know if it can claim the crown of being fully interchangeable but using an original profile bullet is indeed essential if you wish to produce the original bullet (link in description).
I didn’t say I would make one, I merely alluded to the fact that if the Chassepot is too much work, get a Gras for which you can reload for conventionally. Look up the French gun section of Gunboards for example, plenty of reloading options are discussed there. YT has a rather inconsistent view of reloading vids currently anyway so we are avoiding putting such material up. The only thing I have done relating to the Gras is shown how to turn rim adapters to transform 10.3x60R into 11x59R.
Hey, Bloke! I just wandered onto a video you have posted on a method using 12mm straws. It's in French, which I don't understand, but it appeared you were loading an 11mm gras projectile and firing it from a Chassepot? Is this correct?
I assume you’re referring to the Utreon vid 😉 That vid is also listed in English and German. To answer your question, yes I shoot a bullet intended for the Gras, it is heeled and the heel diametre just so happens to match the internal diametre of my straws. I have had feedback from many people using other bullets though so it isn’t essential.
@The Chap Thanks for the reply. I did find the English video as well. I find it very strange the Chassepot is so tolerant of differing diameter bullets. It seems people shoot everything from 11mm (.433") to the original chassepot bullet diameter of 11.7mm (.460). I'm so used to the idea that undersized bullets will result in leading of the barrel. I just last night shot powder coated 200 grain .452 SWCs intended for a 1911 out of my chassepot with 80 grains of black. Seemed pretty accurate. I dunno if that was a good idea or not, but I did it. Not sure I'd load it so hot without the powder coat. What do you think?
@@khester7397 The breechloaders of that era typically have a long lead into the rifling (compared to modern standards), as such any bullet that can be chambered will be gentle swaged down. I don’t see any problem with using powder coated bullets.
@The Chap I'm used to sizing cast lead to .0015" over groove diameter. Sending a projectile that is .008" under groove diameter, i was worried about gas cutting. Now you've shown me the light, my imagination is running wild. Gonna send some Eras Gone British Kerr through the Chassepot next. And then I'll be trading for some 45 Colt pills. Oh, man I'm excited! I want to thank you for your videos, they're just excellent. Entertaining and informative.
Blackst0ne45 Errrr no, 70-odd grains of NC in a 150+ year old gun would be a really really bad idea unless the prospect of digging shards of iron out of your flesh sounds appealing... If you survive that is.
nah, the gun wasn't made to wistand such pressure, you would just blowthe gun apart, and as said earlier, a good way to find small bits of wood and steel in your flesh
Spam Cannon If you want a good bond, which you do since the glued seams are subject to a lot of pressure when you compact the powder, you have to work quickly, no time for mucking about picking up and putting down spatulas.
@@thebotrchap Well I guess the hurley-burley, high-pressure world of paper cartridge construction is way more time sensitive than I ever could have imagined! Thanks for the reply Chap.😉
paper glu stick or better nitrocellulose paper and colloid glue, makes no paper residue it all burns like powder, the modern right way to go for paper cartridges But nice work on that cartridges, works fine fore some shots @@EnglishCountryLife
Chap, watch that lift music bit at 2x speed, then once you've listened to that, RUclips search "Megalovania" and listen to the first video that comes up
K-31...how come we haven't seen loads of tricked out k31?????????.....I think if you put the word out we in the states would like fresh ideas.......and 500 bucks for a left hand bolt lever?.....yikes.......cool video this looks like it should be in a classroom...are the Swiss shy of drilling and mounting scopes on their k31?
commonconservative There are all sorts of sports chassis available to taktikate your K31, but since anything aside from dioptres and a single sort of butt extension are banned in all 300m competitions, what’s the point of sinking a huge amount of money for what will be a showpiece. There are also some good clamp-on scope mounts available so there is little need to drill and tap.
commonconservative Can’t speak from experience but the US made Swiss Products mounts seem to receive nothing but praise. I doubt case deflection is a big issue for leisurely range target shooting, which is what these are aimed at.
I have a long story about a chessepot but ill save it for another time today let me ask you this i have a rifle it belongs to my father who got it from his father my father has given it to me,before my father passes i would like to restore the rifle and fire it with him,heres the problem no cartridges i have no exp with amo, could i pay you to make me some cartridges? it would mean the world to me to fire it with him.
The late CF cartridge version was never a military gun AFAK. If we open up to include capping breechloaders then there are indeed a whole bunch of them. Kammerladers (NO/SE), Podewils-Linder (Bavaria), Calisher-Terry (NZ) etc. Even paper cartridges for percussion revolvers would count ;-)
nah, Prussia did it first in 1841, France apparently thought it was a good idea and adopted the needle-fire 20 years after while everyone started getting metallic cartridge guns (US in 1865, Austria and UK in 1867, Russia and Italy in 1870, Germany and France would catch up in 1871 and 1874 respectively, it seems weird that France adopted the Chassepot in 1866 when you know they were early adopters of metallic cartridge with the Mousqueton Treuille de Beaulieu 1854 in 9x41 pinfire (granted, it was only limited service to the Cent Gardes squadron)
Max I explain why France adopted the needle system in the original ammo vid. The problem was that in the 1865-1866 nobody was producing large full power rifle cartridges, it was all short pistol calibre fare of varying quality. There was no one capable of churning out millions of rounds of metallic cartridge ammo for an imperial army and there was an increasingly belligerent neighbour next door. Chassepot ammunition has it’s downsides but it could be manufactured with no specialized tooling using unskilled labour.
Shaun Evertson Let us not forget child labour too. In both cases small hands were useful for fiddly jobs. A lot of manufacturing tech was also taken over from the cigarette industry.
I had no idea about the cigarette connection, and I'd completely forgot about child labour. You've taught a very good history lesson in two sentences, Chap!
holy hell this is the last place i expected to hear megalovania
I just went looking for creative commons lift music and that's what I found :)
Captain, I have completed making my paper cartridges.
Good Private,now start praying it dosnt rain while we are fighting.
Kyle Vreeland The Prussians had the same issue 😋
the troops would have received the cartridges premade, but yeah, water, it was problem for everyone until the advent of the metallic cartridge, and from the looks of it, while the US got one in service from 1866, Austria and the UK from 1867, the rest of europe only started getting metallic cartridges from 1870 with the Berdan (Russia)
Well for a short period of time (around 1780) for a few Austrians rain didn't matter, because they used somewhat "repeating air rifles" engineered by Bartholomäus Girandoni. There is even a video on yt somewhere were a guy who has one explains it. It had a rifled bore and had a 20 round tube magazine. The air tank was the buttstock and you could shoot all the 20 rounds with one pumped up stock. (every guy with such a rifle had 3 stocks and a pump and equipment to cast lead bullets) Saw one in the Heeresgeschichtliches Museum in Vienna. But if you wouldn't know what it was, it would just be a gun inbetween other guns. Although the Label says "Windbüchse".
nirfz There have been a few replicas built of the Girandoni. The performance was really quite impressive although one has to wonder how those rudimentary leather and horn seals lived up to changes in temperature and humidity in the field.
I guess those could have been the main reasons they stopped using them.
A couple of suggestions.. I make these out of gummed paper tape of the type used for picture framing.. You just use spit or water to close everything up and the gum makes the paper stay together when it fires. Rather than glue a cap on the end of the case, I cut the bottom edge of the paper with pinking scissors to give a serrated edge and fold over the serrations onto the cap disk and follow with a bore diameter disk cut from the same gummed paper. Finally I wrap and glue a paper collar round the bullet and then glue this into the end of the case. It stops the rounds falling apart and again assists in pulling all the cr@p out the muzzle.. I also find I need to put a small amount of powder in the cap chamber... remind me... did we have a discussion about drilling holes in percussion caps?
Felix The Cat Hello again, regarding drilling caps, yes we did! I do it. Nothing wrong with your method, whatever works for you! I used to go the pinking shears way but I found the “swaging” technique more convenient. Personally I have an aversion to sticking anything to the bullet. One of the often unmentioned problems with the Dreyse was that sometimes bits of sabot would be stuck to the bullet and destabilize it as it left the barrel. The Prussians even had a term for it, which I have unfortunately forgotten, since it made a very distinctive fluttering noise when it happened.
@@thebotrchap The Prussians called the noise that a bullet still stuck in the sabot made, 'der Brummer' (bluebottle!)
@@davidchappell1562 Ah thank you!
Went to the range today with my 1868 Chassepot for the first time. I made 5 paper cartridges exactly like in this video. 2 fired, 3 didn't. I suspect I have to make them slightly longer (measured maximum cartridge length 70mm here as well) and also I'll add some fine blackpowder into the percussion cap to help the ignition.
Anyway thank Chap for putting my on this path 👍
I now use the even quicker version as you will find on our parallel Utreon channel 😉
@@thebotrchap oh yes I just watched it. 33 seconds I am amazed! May I ask what bullet you are using in the tea straw method? Im currently using a 385 grains Lyman 457124 mold.
Do you also fill the tea straw up completely with blackpowder until it touches the bullet?
@@ClassicFormulaOne1 This is the mould. I use it in the Gras too. I do indeed fill the tube with powder just under the bullet.
www.castbulletengineering.com.au/products/rifle-moulds/product/2979-11mm-gras
@@thebotrchap I've solved the fouling problem, the correct initial length of the cartridge is the main solution for me. Another question: I saw you use winged percussion caps as well. I find that those caps arent always igniting at the first needle stroke even though the cap gets a hole in it. Turning the cartridge around a quarter turn usually makes it go off in the 2nd attempt. Do you have any advice on the ignition reliability? When making the cartridges I'm pretty careful in positioning the cap inline with the case but still 1 in 5 won't go off in 1st attempt.
@@ClassicFormulaOne1 Aside from good powder compression I have found that roughing up the needle tip with some fine sand paper does wonders. Increases the friction on the priming compound as the needle goes through it.
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Daniel Burmester lol you got me
Uhh, did you just put megalovania over the cartridge making process?
That's what the credit and creative commons license says :)
Bloke this lift music is 🔥🔥🔥
Just a couple of thoughts from someone who has spent way too much time making Chassepot cartridges. I notice that you don't talk about applying any kind of flame retardant to the paper. I found that using a flame retardant, in my case a borax solution, led to less chamber fouling. I also filled the percussion cap with blackpowder before I glued it onto a paper disk, thinking that I could get another two to three grains of powder into each cartridge that way and that it would assist ignition.
I have never had an issue with fail igniting due to a cap failing to ignite the charge but I know many people do indeed put a pinch of powder in. There is absolutely no need if you use Berdan primers since the flash is far more powerful. Regarding flame retardants I have heard contradictory reports. Since I’m only shooting at a leisurely rate the fouling isn’t really an issue.
Excellente vidéo !! Ne pas oublier de mettre quelques grains de poudre noire dans l'amorce avant de la coller .. cela peut diminuer le risque de non-inflammation de la charge .. Voire aussi ligaturer le projectile sur le papier. (le papier peut aussi être trempé dans un solution de chlorate de potassium)
Excellent video !! Do not forget to put a few grains of black powder in the primer before sticking it .. it may reduce the risk of non-ignition of the charge ..
See also ligating the projectile on the paper cartridge. (the paper used can also be placed in chlorid potassium solution and dry before use)
François Noufnouf Merci! Une pincée de poudre est possible. Personnellement je n’ai jamais eu de raté à cause de manque de puissance de l’amorce donc je n’en mets pas. Pour la ligature, dans ce cas la graisse fait office de colle mais bien sûr cela dépend de la graisse utilisée.
@@thebotrchap Ouaf !! Ça, c'est de la réponse rapide !! Merci pour ces conseils. Excellente chaîne. Alors .. bons tirs, et un petit salut de France .
P.S.: ne pas hésiter à joindre H&C collection par mail, ils sont très sympa, et ont plein de projets en préparation (moi, j'attends le calibre 20 à broche)
A tester aussi, le kit sans poudre pour cap'n'ball à diabolos caoutchouc .. Génial.
François Noufnouf Nous sommes toujours à l’écoute 😛 Je connais bien H&C, j’adore leurs produits. J’ai même volontairement fait la traduction en anglais de la notice pour le kit Chassepot pour eux. Ils m’ont offert un kit capnball pour mes services 👍 Je vais faire une petite revue un de ces jours. Ça marche du feu de diou dans mon R&S Euroarms.
@@thebotrchap Ah oui .. nouveauté: le kit existe aussi maintenant en .38, et aussi des cheminées pour Uberti (pas le même pas que Pietta & autres)
Salut amical ..
these video's need renaming, the prior one should be "How to make the Mle1866 Chassepot paper cartridge the attentive Chap way" and this one "make a m1866 chassepot cartridge the lazy chap way"
does the target really cares which way the cartridge is made ?
This guy has nothing on Neil Buchanan :) I enjoyed watching this, very relaxing :)
Groovy lift music.
Chap at the end. 😂👍👍👍
Nice work on that cartridges, works fine fore some shots
but the modern right way to go for paper cartridges nitrocellulose paper and colloid glue, makes no paper residue
it all burns like powder,
Have you tried this? How many shots can you get without cleaning the barrel and chamber?
One of the advantages of this way is that the paper gets pushed out the muzzle and can actually help remove black powder residue
Great video. I have been shooting mine for about 5 months now and use a similar cartridge process. The Lee 405HB has shot the best for me so far, I want to try the traditional Chassepot bullet (Accurate molds) and see if that improves accuracy.
Tom Hamilton I use the accurate moulds bullet for the authentic cartridge.
Do you find it more accurate? :)
Tom Hamilton Haven’t compared it. The advantage of the original bullet is that it sets up correctly in the front of the chamber. Tests by French shooters reloading original style cartridges however noted that the ones with original bullets were indeed far more accurate.
Chap is sans confirmed
Jonathan Jordan II I must confess to not getting the reference.... Must be something modern and trendy 🤔
The music that presumably the Bloke chose is a Jazz Elevator Music version of a track from a very popular video game from a couple of years ago called Undertale. The track chosen is a reimagining of the track played when you face the final boss called Sans.
Ah, I see. Thanks!
Thank you for sharing
ELEVATOR MEGALOVANIA LMAO
Great video, also some good use of Megalovania. I approve wholeheartedly.
A+ music choice
is the bog standard bullet of pure lead ?
I gave up on the chassepot. Fouling makes it a headache to shoot. Spent more time tinkering and cleaning than i did shooting. Sold and bought a Martini!!
Steve Swanson I sold my first one for the same reason, got a martini, and then bought another Chassepot to try again with more patience and perseverance. It’s paying off.
The Chap then id be interested in how it shoots for you and how smoothly it runs at the range. I sank 3 years into this rifle.
Thank you for this video. I would like to know, if possible, the thickness of the 12 mm diameter round cardboard. Thank you
Do these work any differently to the exact replica ones you made?
OMG, the music. I see it's a some from some video game. I don't recognize it but I am sitting here feeling like I'm listening to a lounge act. Hehehe...
Man, that was a super high def portrait of inventions mom!
Has the "mass production" method used by the French been lost? If not a video on that would be great.
For that time period, I imagine “mass production” would be bunch of people in a single room making them by hand.
I thought the idea of the needle rifle was that it put the primer up by the bullet so it would blow out the front? or am I thinking of something else?
It's up by the bullet on Dreyse cartridges. It's up the back in a Chassepot, that annular cavity behind the frontmost part of the bolt ensures that the spent cap and the paper gets blown out the muzzle.
Just to add to Bloke‘s summary, the Russian needle gun used a primer at the rear like the Chassepot, and the Carcano needle gun used a primer behind the bullet like the Dreyse.
But it has no rubber disc, so wouldn't it foul the bolt?
The rubber disc is a mixed blessing. I have found it to interfere with needle retraction after each shot. If your bolt head pin hole is not eroded out, the rubber disc is of minimal significance in fouling.
Why didn’t you use a rubber disc in this version? The disc is supposed to help seal around the needle and help reduce combustion gases from entering the bolt. I’m new to Chassepot and trying to decide how best to make the easy version of the cartridges.
It depends entirely on the state of your bolt head. On mine the channel is quite roomy and part of the rubber disc sometimes get blown into it and jam the needle. I need to tap the cocking piece with a rubber mallet to recock and open the bolt.
Thanks!
where do you find .457 400 grain bullets?
At about 10 minutes it appears you are adding glue to the bullet base so it sticks to the card disc. Is that true and if so why?
It's just dried glue on my finger. The only thing on the bullet is a thick layer of BP lube in and around the lube grooves.
Hope I didn't miss you saying it in the vid, but what kind of paper do you use for the cartridge?
Christian Fitzgerald I use standard brown parcel paper. Over here it has a slightly striped pattern.
Really nice video, and you would not believe how much hearing Megalovania threw me off haha
My Cartridge should be 8 cm long, but with the ball and load inside it's missing around 1.5 cm at the top. With what do I fill the missing part? With cartboard? Could someone help?
You should have the bullet at top end and the powder at the bottom end. To get the cartridge length you need you add a filling material between the projectile and the powder. My favourite filler is polenta.
Thanks. I always wondered how those things worked with the Paper Cartridges.
So - it's basically the same as the metal cartridges - just with paper instead of metal.
If you got that wet - it would ruin it.
OK.
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Hey, Bloke. I was wondering if you might do a video on the bolt disassembly of a No.4 Lee Enfield for us some time.
Sorry, probably not. I've never disassembled one fully, since there's no need to.
Fair enough! I just have the prospect of getting a really nice looking Long Branch, and after the discovery quite rusty bolt innards I made with a sporter Spanish Mauser an uncle gave me. Always just been a touch paranoid of such things. Appreciate you responding!
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Great video, I bet you were a fan of Blue Peter when you were growing up
Gary Neilson Oh yes, and Hartbeat, Art Attack etc...
@@thebotrchap what is your views of the current art attack?
Oswald Chai Haven’t watched if for years but I hope it still gives kids ideas to get creative and make stuff.
I don't remember SMart having cheesy lift music?
werent the Chassepots the first truly modern mass-produced rifle? so theoretically parts must be interchangable, and one only needs to have the correct mold of the original chassepot bullet
ultor europae I don’t know if it can claim the crown of being fully interchangeable but using an original profile bullet is indeed essential if you wish to produce the original bullet (link in description).
Perfect!!
Got halfway through the French version and realized I was listening to the Devil’s language. 😊.
There is a French version?
How do i make metalic cartridges for my fusil gras mle 1874 at home i am waiting for a video
I didn’t say I would make one, I merely alluded to the fact that if the Chassepot is too much work, get a Gras for which you can reload for conventionally. Look up the French gun section of Gunboards for example, plenty of reloading options are discussed there. YT has a rather inconsistent view of reloading vids currently anyway so we are avoiding putting such material up. The only thing I have done relating to the Gras is shown how to turn rim adapters to transform 10.3x60R into 11x59R.
That song you used is a cover of one of the songs from a popular video game called Undertale. Megalovania.
Hey, Bloke! I just wandered onto a video you have posted on a method using 12mm straws. It's in French, which I don't understand, but it appeared you were loading an 11mm gras projectile and firing it from a Chassepot?
Is this correct?
I assume you’re referring to the Utreon vid 😉 That vid is also listed in English and German. To answer your question, yes I shoot a bullet intended for the Gras, it is heeled and the heel diametre just so happens to match the internal diametre of my straws. I have had feedback from many people using other bullets though so it isn’t essential.
@The Chap Thanks for the reply. I did find the English video as well.
I find it very strange the Chassepot is so tolerant of differing diameter bullets. It seems people shoot everything from 11mm (.433") to the original chassepot bullet diameter of 11.7mm (.460).
I'm so used to the idea that undersized bullets will result in leading of the barrel.
I just last night shot powder coated 200 grain .452 SWCs intended for a 1911 out of my chassepot with 80 grains of black. Seemed pretty accurate.
I dunno if that was a good idea or not, but I did it. Not sure I'd load it so hot without the powder coat. What do you think?
@@khester7397 The breechloaders of that era typically have a long lead into the rifling (compared to modern standards), as such any bullet that can be chambered will be gentle swaged down. I don’t see any problem with using powder coated bullets.
@The Chap I'm used to sizing cast lead to .0015" over groove diameter. Sending a projectile that is .008" under groove diameter, i was worried about gas cutting.
Now you've shown me the light, my imagination is running wild. Gonna send some Eras Gone British Kerr through the Chassepot next. And then I'll be trading for some 45 Colt pills. Oh, man I'm excited!
I want to thank you for your videos, they're just excellent. Entertaining and informative.
@@khester7397 I’m glad they help people get the Chassepots out there!
damn that was cool
Can I use NC instead of blackpowder?
Hermann Arminius NC?
Nitrocellulose?
Blackst0ne45 Errrr no, 70-odd grains of NC in a 150+ year old gun would be a really really bad idea unless the prospect of digging shards of iron out of your flesh sounds appealing... If you survive that is.
nah, the gun wasn't made to wistand such pressure, you would just blowthe gun apart, and as said earlier, a good way to find small bits of wood and steel in your flesh
Hey, there's this new invention, popular in primary schools, called a glue spreader. Get with the kids, man.
Spam Cannon If you want a good bond, which you do since the glued seams are subject to a lot of pressure when you compact the powder, you have to work quickly, no time for mucking about picking up and putting down spatulas.
@@thebotrchap Well I guess the hurley-burley, high-pressure world of paper cartridge construction is way more time sensitive than I ever could have imagined! Thanks for the reply Chap.😉
@@thebotrchap Pritt glue stick?
paper glu stick or better nitrocellulose paper and colloid glue, makes no paper residue it all burns like powder, the modern right way to go for paper cartridges But nice work on that cartridges, works fine fore some shots @@EnglishCountryLife
What type of paper you used?
Conventional post office brown parcel paper
Istalike for your specific choice of lift music
Someone speaking English and french and having German Holzleim in his workshop^^
I thought this kind of content (ammo manufacture related) was too "dangerous" to put up on RUclips these days?
Also... Lift music was excellent choice!
Consider this a test of the algorithm.
Does Bloke not know that the lift music is an Undertale cover? lol
Chap, watch that lift music bit at 2x speed, then once you've listened to that, RUclips search "Megalovania" and listen to the first video that comes up
Epos. An epos.
K-31...how come we haven't seen loads of tricked out k31?????????.....I think if you put the word out we in the states would like fresh ideas.......and 500 bucks for a left hand bolt lever?.....yikes.......cool video this looks like it should be in a classroom...are the Swiss shy of drilling and mounting scopes on their k31?
commonconservative There are all sorts of sports chassis available to taktikate your K31, but since anything aside from dioptres and a single sort of butt extension are banned in all 300m competitions, what’s the point of sinking a huge amount of money for what will be a showpiece. There are also some good clamp-on scope mounts available so there is little need to drill and tap.
thanks for replying, some of those clamp on mounts look like they need another screw in them, plus a cutout for an ejection diverter
commonconservative Can’t speak from experience but the US made Swiss Products mounts seem to receive nothing but praise. I doubt case deflection is a big issue for leisurely range target shooting, which is what these are aimed at.
I was thinking of those footlong 1-14x44 or 1-6x24 acss.......as for the shells , a cap is all that's needed, maybe one that is a shell catcher
I suppose I'd call that muzakovania.
This how I be rolling a phat ass wood
Why is it that when I am making bullets I feel like sans?
Pas de pneu? But... your sticky needle!
Calibre 36 atual !!
I have a long story about a chessepot but ill save it for another time today let me ask you this i have a rifle it belongs to my father who got it from his father my father has given it to me,before my father passes i would like to restore the rifle and fire it with him,heres the problem no cartridges i have no exp with amo, could i pay you to make me some cartridges? it would mean the world to me to fire it with him.
Sorry, but that would be breaking Swiss law to make ammo for you.
oof didn't realize where you were ty anyways i guess ill have to diy
@@BlokeontheRange what laws tho?
SR 514.54 (Waffengesetz), Art. 19 Abs. 1.
Am I the only one (wrongly) thinking "This could only be a French idea"?
Jari Bonthuis Yes you are, the Prussians were doing it for over 20 years prior 😜, the Russians (Karle/Carle) and Italians (Carcano) did it too.
The late CF cartridge version was never a military gun AFAK. If we open up to include capping breechloaders then there are indeed a whole bunch of them. Kammerladers (NO/SE), Podewils-Linder (Bavaria), Calisher-Terry (NZ) etc. Even paper cartridges for percussion revolvers would count ;-)
nah, Prussia did it first in 1841, France apparently thought it was a good idea and adopted the needle-fire 20 years after while everyone started getting metallic cartridge guns (US in 1865, Austria and UK in 1867, Russia and Italy in 1870, Germany and France would catch up in 1871 and 1874 respectively, it seems weird that France adopted the Chassepot in 1866 when you know they were early adopters of metallic cartridge with the Mousqueton Treuille de Beaulieu 1854 in 9x41 pinfire (granted, it was only limited service to the Cent Gardes squadron)
Max I explain why France adopted the needle system in the original ammo vid. The problem was that in the 1865-1866 nobody was producing large full power rifle cartridges, it was all short pistol calibre fare of varying quality. There was no one capable of churning out millions of rounds of metallic cartridge ammo for an imperial army and there was an increasingly belligerent neighbour next door. Chassepot ammunition has it’s downsides but it could be manufactured with no specialized tooling using unskilled labour.
”Easy” version
How about getting a Martin Henry or a Snider instead, like a true Englishman.
Vulcan 14 I’ll have you know I have a mint MH MkI, and who ever said I was a true Englishman 😜
Your actually speaking and *explaining* what you are doing would have been 1000000 times better than that cheesy "music".
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I understand that cartridges were traditionally run up by girls.
Shaun Evertson Let us not forget child labour too. In both cases small hands were useful for fiddly jobs. A lot of manufacturing tech was also taken over from the cigarette industry.
I had no idea about the cigarette connection, and I'd completely forgot about child labour. You've taught a very good history lesson in two sentences, Chap!